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00:02:20 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85584&oldid=85580 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-34) /* Non-alphabetic */ m
00:05:08 <esolangs> [[Knight]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85585&oldid=85545 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+49) /* Links */ Ctas
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02:18:49 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Uellenberg * New user account
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02:24:04 <Uellenberg> Hey there, I found out about the esolangs wiki recently and while I sort of understand the concept of an esolang, I'm still a bit unsure if this qualifies as one: https://github.com/uellenberg/REXS.
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02:34:25 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85586&oldid=85501 * Uellenberg * (+243) /* Introductions */
02:35:09 <Corbin> Yeah, sure. Esolangs don't have to be Turing-complete to be esoteric.
02:36:29 <Uellenberg> Thanks (y)
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03:18:30 <esolangs> [[REXS]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85587 * Uellenberg * (+3212) Create stub page
03:19:20 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85588&oldid=85584 * Uellenberg * (+11) Add REXS to list
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03:46:54 <esolangs> [[REXS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85589&oldid=85587 * Uellenberg * (+1418) Add control sets
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04:07:24 <esolangs> [[REXS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85590&oldid=85589 * Uellenberg * (+57) Add links to parameters
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04:31:32 <esolangs> [[REXS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85591&oldid=85590 * Uellenberg * (+2313) Add most of REXS' functions
04:35:16 <esolangs> [[REXS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85592&oldid=85591 * Uellenberg * (+26) Add implemented category
04:52:03 <arseniiv> mildly satisfying, what do you think?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Indian_pigments.jpg
04:55:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:Metabox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85593&oldid=85583 * Bangyen * (+184)
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05:20:25 <esolangs> [[REXS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85594&oldid=85592 * Uellenberg * (-35) Remove function grouping
05:24:41 <esolangs> [[REXS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85595&oldid=85594 * Uellenberg * (+418) Add the functional parts of match
05:35:34 <esolangs> [[REXS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85596&oldid=85595 * Uellenberg * (+911) Add before and after functions
05:35:46 <esolangs> [[REXS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85597&oldid=85596 * Uellenberg * (-9) Remove stub template
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05:44:17 <int-e> Mmm this month's Ponder This isn't very exciting. (It may still be hard or easy, depends on what you know.)
05:44:27 <int-e> `? password
05:44:29 <HackEso> The password of the month is moving to Libera Chat.
05:45:12 <int-e> Tempting, but I think I'm getting too many of those.
05:46:11 <int-e> . o O ( `learn The password of the month is tempting. <-- An obvious candidate, now. )
05:47:08 <esolangs> [[REXS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85598&oldid=85597 * Uellenberg * (+670) Add IRC example
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06:03:31 <Uellenberg> I'm a bit confused with the thematic category. My language is built to compile to Regex, rather than actually be ran, so is Regex an applicable theme there?
06:10:24 <int-e> Hmm. I'd say it's not thematic, but could argue either way; it's not a very well-defined category. Basically I think regular expressions *are* a programming paradigm.
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06:23:36 <int-e> The distinction between paradigms and themes isn't easy either... to pick an example... https://esolangs.org/wiki/Babalang is in the "Thematic" category, but should it be? Isn't Baba is You more of a novel programming paradigm?
06:33:45 <arseniiv> `learn The password of the month is tempting in retrospect
06:33:49 <arseniiv> int-e: see
06:33:50 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is tempting in retrospect
06:40:48 <esolangs> [[REXS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85599&oldid=85598 * Uellenberg * (+26) Add output only category
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08:28:38 <esolangs> [[A Slow Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85600&oldid=85424 * Dominicentek * (+66)
08:28:58 <esolangs> [[A Slow Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85601&oldid=85600 * Dominicentek * (+4) Added a newline
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09:27:51 <esolangs> [[A Slow Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85602&oldid=85601 * Dominicentek * (+724) Added 2 instructions
09:28:44 <esolangs> [[A Slow Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85603&oldid=85602 * Dominicentek * (+17) Added nowiki element for the note
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10:43:00 <esolangs> [[A Slow Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85604&oldid=85603 * Dominicentek * (+0) Changed the register instruction to a colon
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11:27:37 <esolangs> [[Talk:Metabox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85605&oldid=85593 * Batata * (+126)
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11:41:18 <esolangs> [[Metabox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85606&oldid=85548 * Batata * (+154)
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12:44:49 <wib_jonas> `? password
12:44:52 <HackEso> The password of the month is tempting in retrospect
12:45:47 <wib_jonas> we should start calling car rear view mirrors "retrospecters" or "restrospectres" for cars with the driver's seat on the left or right respectively.
12:46:19 <int-e> would that make car drivers retrospectors?
12:46:37 <wib_jonas> if they use the mirrors, then yes
12:46:56 <wib_jonas> if they just change lanes whenever and expect other cars to dodge them, then they aren't
12:47:02 <int-e> Or omnispectors, maybe, if they're properly circumspect?
12:47:12 <int-e> And we ignore blind angles and all that crap?
12:48:24 <wib_jonas> hmm, if a driver only uses the retrospecter to apply make-up on their face, are they still a retrospector?
12:49:55 <wib_jonas> and are autospectors the ones that watch themselves or the ones that watch for cars?
12:51:42 <nakilon> they can be the cars
13:02:49 <wib_jonas> admittedly it would make more sense to copy the french terminology, making the rear-view mirrors "retrovisors" instead of "retrospecters", because they probably know what those latin roots mean and picked the appropriate ones
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15:36:26 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85607&oldid=84223 * Dominicentek * (+527) Added A Slow Language implementation
15:40:26 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85608&oldid=85607 * Dominicentek * (+1) Now with a new line!
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15:43:27 <VilgotanL> why is this channel so dead?
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15:53:19 <Taneb> What do you mean dead?
15:54:30 <int-e> Taneb: how dare you refute the premise :-O
15:57:21 <int-e> fungot: is there life after death?
15:57:21 <fungot> int-e: lolcode is a bad term. too much, just get started on the 15th.
15:57:33 <int-e> fungot: is there life *in* death?
15:57:34 <fungot> int-e: in all seriousness, it's more silly than a bit disturbing. even moreso is the fact that it's recursive make " x if ( 12) ( ( lambda ( fnord
15:57:48 <int-e> excellent.
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16:08:26 <zzo38> I think that this channel is not "so dead"
16:29:20 <Taneb> zzo38: I fully agree
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17:02:49 <nakilon> it's some undocumented meme
17:03:00 <nakilon> there are people randomly coming to #ruby just to ask if it's dead
17:03:20 <nakilon> guys even had to add some answer to the website
17:05:42 <keegan> BSD is dying, Netcraft confirms it!
17:08:19 <nakilon> Minecraft, Nethack, Minehack?
17:09:37 <b_jonas> it's not dead, sir VilgotanL, it's just pining for the fjords
17:14:30 <b_jonas> nakilon: keegan means NetBSD
17:22:00 <nakilon> that was a joke
17:22:14 <nakilon> about why there is no Minehack yet
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17:22:44 <nakilon> a vacant product name
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19:12:47 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Finite state automata]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85609 * Oshaboy * (+743) Created page with "Clarification needed, What criteria does a language need to be included here. Do Finite State Machines need to be translated into the language? Or is it the other way (Which..."
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19:44:38 <esolangs> [[1]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85610 * AmNow * (+1192) Created page with "1 is an esoteric programming language made for the purpose of designing adventure games, made [[User:AmNow]] 1 is based off of decision shrubs. == Commands == === Sw..."
19:45:30 <esolangs> [[User:AmNow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85611&oldid=85579 * AmNow * (+34) added lang
19:46:12 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85612&oldid=85588 * AmNow * (+12) added lang
19:54:43 <esolangs> [[1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85613&oldid=85610 * AmNow * (+4) grammar correciton
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20:52:53 <esolangs> [[A Slow Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85614&oldid=85604 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* Interpreter */ ul
20:54:58 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85615&oldid=85608 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-16) /* A Slow Language */ Simplify link
20:57:47 <esolangs> [[1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85616&oldid=85613 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+90) Cat link
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20:59:19 <esolangs> [[MoveIt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85617&oldid=85581 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) /* Spam #s */ Yrogetac
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00:05:22 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85618&oldid=85543 * PixelatedStarfish * (-2) /* Grammar */
00:06:41 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85619&oldid=85618 * PixelatedStarfish * (+4) /* Grammar */
00:08:28 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85620&oldid=85619 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) /* Grammar */
00:12:59 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85621&oldid=85620 * PixelatedStarfish * (+6) /* Grammar */
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02:30:53 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85622&oldid=85621 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* Grammar */
02:32:34 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85623&oldid=85622 * PixelatedStarfish * (+16)
02:33:48 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85624&oldid=85623 * PixelatedStarfish * (+10)
02:36:48 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85625&oldid=85624 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* The grid */
02:45:59 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85626&oldid=85625 * PixelatedStarfish * (+19) /* Restrictions */
02:46:26 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85627&oldid=85626 * PixelatedStarfish * (+3) /* Permitted */
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05:42:31 <zzo38> Why doesn't Wikipedia use data templates for comparison tables? Entering the tables directly makes it much more difficult to edit, I think.
05:50:26 <Corbin> Cannot wait for Wikifunctions to be a thing.
05:50:42 <imode> wikifunctions?
05:51:26 <Corbin> The official name for "Abstract Wikipedia". The core idea is to use Wikidata to fill in templates for many different pages.
05:56:31 <zzo38> I meant just using the standard template feature, but that can work too I suppose
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07:49:04 <riv> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_arithmetic#Arithmetic_undefinability
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07:49:21 <riv> I didn't expect posts theorem to come up here, very interesting
07:49:47 <riv> I recently studied the 'uniform' halting problem and how a uniform halting oracle is stronger than a halting oracle
07:49:55 <riv> which is I guess a special case of posts theorem
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07:52:54 <riv> people in #math keep talking about godels theorem, in particular the idea that the godel sentence is 'true' [in fuzzy terms] but unprovable
07:53:00 <riv> and its making me doubt things
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07:53:35 <riv> im not sure why the topic keeps coming up
07:54:02 <riv> but it seems kind of like nonsense. you can adjoin G or you can adjoin ~G..
07:54:27 <riv> i thought there was no standard model of arithmetic but I need to read more on true arithmetic
07:56:19 <shachaf> What is the uniform halting problem?
07:57:02 <shachaf> It's maybe kind of nonsense but you can kind of see what they're getting at too, right?
07:58:01 <riv> I understand it but i don't like it
07:58:39 <riv> uniform halting problem is "does this turing machine halt on all inputs"
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08:00:14 <riv> a halting oracle can't construct this
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08:01:03 <shachaf> Makes sense.
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11:22:26 <esolangs> [[1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85628&oldid=85616 * AmNow * (+0) modified commands
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12:11:42 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Oshaboy * uploaded "[[File:Truth machine StegFuck.png]]"
12:12:09 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85630&oldid=85354 * Oshaboy * (+56) Added StegFuck
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13:16:49 <wib_jonas> fungot, which spelling is correct in English, "flamingos" or "flamingoes"?
13:16:49 <fungot> wib_jonas: a few do. at least now atm i'm wondering how would a flex file look for, just a
13:20:13 <fizzie> fungot: Are you trying to write natural language processing code using Flex again?
13:20:14 <fungot> fizzie: they kill each other on what would be the small circle of elites while common lisp would handle reader macros.
13:35:29 <esolangs> [[JBFM7L]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85633&oldid=85577 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+47) /* External links */ chats
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14:02:31 <esolangs> [[DDDD]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85634 * Andrew3335 * (+773) Created page with "'''DDDD''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] whose only data structure is a single [[deque]]. It was created by [[User:Andrew3335]] in 2021 and is intended to be used fo..."
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16:02:03 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85643&oldid=85639 * Rphii * (+4) /* Instructions */
16:04:46 <esolangs> [[FlipJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85644&oldid=85271 * Tomhe * (+138) /* See Also */ categories
16:05:43 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85645&oldid=85643 * Rphii * (+13) clarification
16:06:20 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85646&oldid=85645 * Rphii * (+1) /* Variables */ typo
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16:18:18 <b_jonas> fungot, what's the difference between "deburr" and "dechaff" (verbs)
16:18:18 <fungot> b_jonas: is rfc 1459 the client one?)
16:28:55 <b_jonas> no, 2812 is the client one
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16:36:28 <fizzie> Yeah, 1459 is just "the one", it was all in one for that.
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17:08:31 <riv> hi
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18:01:19 <nakilon> arseniiv was it you with a love to procedural generation? I like this one https://www.reddit.com/r/generative/comments/oc8vud/confined_3d_noise_rotation_on_a_grid/
18:01:28 <nakilon> riv hi
18:02:11 <riv> hey
18:02:16 <riv> did anyone want to talk about uniform halting?
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18:02:56 <nakilon> rfc documents have some standartized format, I wonder if it's possible to process them enough to make some Q/A system for quick referencing via a bot
18:05:41 <nakilon> judging from how google and yandex already provide snippets I guess google could give the answers to questions like "what are the field of Atom item?", "what is BNF of IRCv3 tag?
18:05:44 <nakilon> "
18:06:00 <nakilon> *fields
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18:12:50 <arseniiv> nakilon: strange, interesting
18:14:41 <nakilon> the next cyberpunk movie should have such paintings on the walls
18:14:54 <nakilon> I would buy one... oh with an ability to edit it!
18:15:14 <riv> google is very good
18:15:33 <riv> I sometimes want to use man pages, but i find it so difficult to find what i want to know and i give up and google works better
18:15:44 <riv> I think that all man pages should be processed and searchable by something like google
18:15:50 <riv> locally
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18:28:23 <riv> The proof of rices theorem is surprisingly involved
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18:29:19 <hanif> hi riv. nice to see you're interested in the uniform halting problem (you used to be rain1, right?)
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18:30:00 <riv> yes
18:30:25 <hanif> *still interested
18:30:40 <hanif> are you still following soare's book?
18:31:15 <riv> i haven't studied it since last time,
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18:42:08 <nakilon> man page suck
18:42:16 <nakilon> that's what I learned about linux the first
18:43:33 <nakilon> what you are looking for is either in 1 page long --help, or is undocumented and only one person on the planet knows it but didn't yet write it anywhere
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19:04:17 <nakilon> man pages are btw indexed by google, the sse64 website or something like that
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20:26:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:Movesum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85648&oldid=84189 * Bangyen * (+164) /* Are integers signed or unsigned? */
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20:43:51 <zzo38> I think some programs have their own numbers to indicate cryptographic hash algorithms. (Some programs use names instead of numbers.) I use the multicodec numbers in all of my new stuff. Hopefully, this will allow interoperability with different programs, too.
20:44:18 <riv> how do you expect it to allow interoperability?
20:45:06 <esolangs> [[FlipJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85651&oldid=85650 * Tomhe * (+135) /* Memory - how can we implement variables? */ - better explained
20:45:56 <zzo38> For one thing, with file formats. If a file format uses a number to indicate a hash algorithm, and the multicodec numbers are used, then when new hashes are added, everyone can agree what numbers to use for what hash algorithm. Other thing, if somehow a number needs to be passed from one library or program to another, you do not need to use a translation table.
20:46:02 <esolangs> [[FlipJump]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85652&oldid=85651 * Tomhe * (+6) /* Output */ typo
20:47:26 <zzo38> Different libraries might have their own names for constants, although if multicodec numbers are used then the values of these constants will match. For example, I have a library with FOSIMP_SHA1, FOSIMP_SHA3_256, and FOSIMP_MD5. FOSIMP_SHA1 is defined as 0x11, and any other program that uses multicodec numbers will (if it supports SHA-1 hashes at all, which it might not) also use 0x11.
20:48:26 <esolangs> [[FlipJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85653&oldid=85652 * Tomhe * (-3) /* Input */
20:49:37 <riv> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_arithmetic#Arithmetic_undefinability i am curious to learn about this
20:50:02 <riv> zzo38, why not just use sha256
20:50:15 <riv> and no need to specify which hash. always sha256
20:52:16 <zzo38> riv: For one thing, some things require different hashes. (Specifically, Fossil doesn't use SHA2-256; it uses the three hashes I mentioned.)
20:52:18 <b_jonas> riv: because cryptographic hashes only live for like twelve years usually, so that only works if your software's lifetime is shorter than that
20:52:46 <riv> hmm
20:52:48 <int-e> riv: if truth were definable, then we could find a fixed point of f |-> not True(f), which would satisfy [f] <--> not True(f) <--> not [f].
20:52:55 <riv> :O
20:53:00 <riv> 1 liner!
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20:53:31 <int-e> riv: Well, taking all the machinery of Gödel and others for granted.
20:54:26 <zzo38> (It does not use MD5 to identify anything, but only as an extra verification. Still, for the interfaces which calculate the hashes and identify the algorithm used in hashes that are already computed, it helps to specify these things. Specifically, they are the first argument of the fosimp_hash and fosimp_hash_stream functions, and the last argument of fosimp_set_hash.)
20:55:09 <int-e> riv: still, that's the core proof idea.
20:55:11 <zzo38> Also, the fosimp_hash_stream function allows defining an echo stream. I don't know which (if any) other hashing libraries include such a capability.
20:58:02 <int-e> riv: ret-conned corollary: Since provability is definable, it can't coincide with Truth, hence PA is incomplete. ;-)
20:58:41 <riv> very very nice
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21:37:31 <zzo38> I think that truth may be partially definable, although not entirely.
21:52:30 <riv> truth implies provability
21:52:50 <riv> but i don't really understand this true arithmetic thing
21:53:03 <riv> maybe it's a set that is singled out using second order logic
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22:07:13 <int-e> riv: "truth" is understood with respect to the standard model of PA (which you can construct in your favorite set theory... so it's really not an arbitrary model of PA. The notion /may/ still be relative to the model of set theory... it's confusing.)
22:07:55 <riv> ah/,.
22:08:00 <int-e> riv: And truth (in a fixed model) doesn't imply provability, that's the whole point of incompleteness.
22:08:25 <riv> oh i meant the other way around
22:09:17 <int-e> Ah. That makes more sense (it's soundness of the formal system.)
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22:10:22 <zzo38> I think that provability implies truth, but truth does not imply provability (the truth of some statement might be unprovable or even undefined).
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22:11:51 <zzo38> I had defined true as: if a set S of true statements are assumed to be theorems and from that (and the rest of the system) you can prove X, then X is true.
22:12:26 <zzo38> There may be statements whose truth is unknown or unprovable; just because the previous definition does not make a statement true does not necessarily mean it isn't true; its truth could be undefined instead.
22:15:22 <zzo38> Also, true and false are not necessarily mutually exclusive (although they will be if the system is consistent), since I will define false as: if you have a true statement X and another statement Y, and from X and Y you can prove all well-formed statements, then Y is false.
22:16:05 <zzo38> (Again, whether or not a statement is false might be undecidable or even undefined, just as whether or not a statement is true.)
22:16:50 <zzo38> Does that make sense?
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08:00:49 <shachaf> int-e: I had another application for distinguished points: Say you have a permutation f on 2^64 with a single cycle, and a starting point x, and f^n(p), and you want to find n. Naively it might seem like you have to do it serially, but you can just start at various points and build a map of the subgraph of distinguished points.
08:01:34 <shachaf> This is similar to a problem I was actually trying to figure out, though that one turned out to be much more easily parallelizable.
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09:28:56 <nakilon> ping
09:28:56 <velik> pong
09:29:02 <nakilon> finally
09:29:22 <nakilon> after two undocumented manipulations
09:30:45 <nakilon> 1. after https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/userns-remap/ you have to chown -R the mounted volume to that fake uid otherwise OS does not understand what user is trying to access it
09:31:52 <nakilon> 2. there are dozens of questions why dockerized nginx does not use the docker built-in 127.0.0.11 resolver so you have to hardcode it in nginx conf location directive
09:32:16 <nakilon> no one knows the answer why
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09:41:15 <nakilon> you know how to understand that you should start closing tabs in chrome?
09:41:34 <nakilon> it's when you pin the tab and instead of becoming narrower it becomes wider
10:23:09 <int-e> "When a process accesses a file, its user and group IDs are mapped into the initial user namespace for the purpose of permission checking and assigning IDs when creating a file. When a process retrieves file user and group IDs via stat(2), the IDs are mapped in the opposite direction, to produce values relative to the process user and group ID mappings."
10:23:16 <int-e> (man user_namespaces)
10:24:52 <int-e> "This re-mapping is transparent to the container, but introduces some configuration complexity in situations where the container needs access to resources on the Docker host, such as bind mounts into areas of the filesystem that the system user cannot write to." is thoroughly uninformative though.
10:30:23 <nakilon> aha, "some configuration complexity" that we won't explain how to solve
10:30:27 <int-e> shachaf: Right. Rainbow tables work for permutations as well as for pseudo-random functions.
10:31:04 <int-e> Oh and near the end, there's this pseudo-sentence: "For example, if volumes are mounted from the host, file ownership must be pre-arranged need read or write access to the volume contents."
10:31:28 <int-e> (Something went off the rails with the grammar there.)
10:32:01 <nakilon> some grammar complexity
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13:01:03 <arseniiv> I read somewhere about a neat (? you tell me) format for approximate rationals which represents rational numbers with an error as pairs of rational numbers of bounded denominators: lesser the error, lesser the bound. It was claimed this way is better for some things but I forgot which. What do you think, and have you encountered something like that?
13:01:30 <arseniiv> pairs are lower and upper bound to the number thus represented
13:04:00 <arseniiv> obviously, one pro is that you can have as small an error as you want, paying with size of denominators and numerators. Hm I need to remember where did I read the specifics which problem was the author solving with this format
13:05:40 <arseniiv> OTOH the arithmetic might end up slow?.. Not just due to occasional bignums, just due to software implementation of this thing vs. for instance hardware floating-point
13:16:14 <Corbin> Can't help but think of continued fractions. There's an upper and a lower bound, and each coefficient alternates between improving the upper bound and lower bound.
13:20:21 <nakilon> this says there is something called Raku that uses "limited-precision fractional" but it's just fixed bit length limit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_data_type#Language_support
13:21:39 <nakilon> yeah something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continued_fraction#Best_rational_approximations
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13:24:46 <arseniiv> Corbin: ah yes, connecting those might be interesting
13:26:51 <arseniiv> nakilon: yeah, continued fractions are usually used for approximations, though there are some other uses I don’t remember right now. There is even a good arithmetic with them when implemented as iterators, which uses several related Möbius transformation neat things
13:28:03 <nakilon> IIRC projecteuler had a lot of problems with continued fractions
13:28:07 <nakilon> I was just skipping them lol
13:35:15 <int-e> Has anyone tried to use the github copilot for projecteuler? Also, has the copilot be sued for copyright infringement yet?
13:36:44 <nakilon> wow, automatized bug copypaster
13:37:14 <int-e> There are some egregious examples around... https://nitter.fdn.fr/mitsuhiko/status/1410886329924194309#m is an unambiguous copyright violation, and https://gist.github.com/0xabad1dea/7026665beb6de41c17c89beebfb1bb90 is ridiculous on another level (ask yourself: would you rather debug that code or start from scratch?)
13:43:05 <arseniiv> huh
13:46:44 <int-e> Heh, imagine the warning label "may contain code produced by AI"
13:55:14 <riv> today I learned that (x + y) - y can be 1 or 2 bits off in floating point
13:55:22 <riv> possibly more bits off depending on the size of the numbers
13:55:33 <riv> floating point is such a great hack
13:55:39 <riv> who would have thought of this
13:55:58 <riv> making a floating point number type that somehow works well for almost all applications
13:56:18 <riv> i think lua uses floating points for tagged unions
13:56:26 <riv> explointing the many NaNs
13:57:46 <riv> lol @ copilot stuff
14:09:05 <oerjan> > (0.1 + 1e100) -1e100
14:09:07 <lambdabot> 0.0
14:09:10 <oerjan> pretty off
14:09:29 <riv> O_O
14:09:55 <oerjan> riv: it's pretty obvious that you can't keep anything with a big enough size difference
14:11:15 <oerjan> 1 or 2 bits sounds about right if they are almost the same size
14:11:43 <int-e> > (44.614 + 2^52) - 2^52
14:11:44 <lambdabot> 45.0
14:12:07 <oerjan> heh
14:12:13 <riv> ;O
14:12:19 <riv> is that a trick to round a number to integer
14:12:32 <riv> > (1231231.122 + 2^52) - 2^52
14:12:33 <lambdabot> 1231231.0
14:12:36 <riv> > (1231231.722 + 2^52) - 2^52
14:12:38 <lambdabot> 1231232.0
14:12:39 <oerjan> seems so
14:13:12 <int-e> yes, with some severe limitations
14:14:30 <int-e> (basically it's restricted to the [0,2^52] range of numbers, and it depends on the current FPU rounding mode)
14:14:51 <int-e> and of course it's only for binary IEEE double precision floating point numbers
14:15:05 <int-e> which have a 52 bit mantissa
14:15:08 <oerjan> perhaps it technically works for > 2^52 as well?
14:15:17 <oerjan> (because those _are_ integers)
14:15:34 <Corbin> Note that Kahan has a classic technique for extending addition to work cleanly throughout the range of floats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahan_summation_algorithm
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14:18:44 <riv> oh cool!
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14:19:27 <oerjan> (2^52 + 1 + 2^52) - 2^52
14:19:33 <oerjan> > (2^52 + 1 + 2^52) - 2^52
14:19:34 <lambdabot> 4503599627370497
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14:19:44 <oerjan> > 2^52 + 1
14:19:45 <lambdabot> 4503599627370497
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14:22:16 <int-e> > (2^52 + 1.0 + 2^52) - 2^52 == 2^52 + 1
14:22:18 <lambdabot> False
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14:35:54 <nakilon> > (2^52 + 1 + 2^52) - 2^52
14:35:56 <lambdabot> 4503599627370497
14:36:05 <nakilon> > (2^52 + 1.0 + 2^52) - 2^52
14:36:07 <lambdabot> 4.503599627370496e15
14:36:31 <nakilon> > (2^52 + 1 + 2^52) - 2^52 - (2^52 + 1)
14:36:33 <lambdabot> 0
14:38:11 <oerjan> oh duh
14:39:06 <oerjan> too long since i've done haskell
14:39:10 <int-e> > (2^52 + 1 + 2^52) - 2^52 - (2^52 + 1) :: Double
14:39:11 <lambdabot> -1.0
14:40:19 <int-e> writing 1.0 is a cheap way to get a Double in many cases (by default type rules)
14:42:29 <nakilon> woah
14:42:35 <nakilon> why does it says it's free? https://www.wolfram.com/engine/
14:44:54 <int-e> because you don't have to pay for it as long as you don't use it for anything useful?
14:45:59 <nakilon> no I meamn
14:46:11 <nakilon> Mathematica never was free
14:46:25 <nakilon> looks like now the GUI is what you pay for
14:47:39 <nakilon> oh damn, it just gives you two keys that have to be validated with website
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15:53:10 <b_jonas> will there be an ICFP contest 2021?
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16:03:57 <Taneb> b_jonas: I think I heard there would be
16:04:10 <Taneb> https://icfpcontest2021.github.io/ next weekend
16:08:36 <b_jonas> oh! so they didn't get the usual domain name http://icfpcontest.org/ for some reason?
16:08:42 <b_jonas> thanks
16:09:18 <b_jonas> `? icfp
16:09:20 <HackEso> I see functorial people.
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16:39:53 <nakilon> it was github.io the last year too IIRC
16:40:27 <nakilon> I see funge people
16:41:47 <^[> nakilon: Raku is Larry Wall's latest esolang.
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17:22:25 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * OrichalcumCosmonaut * New user account
17:28:51 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85656&oldid=85586 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+313) /* Introductions */
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18:44:50 <nakilon> hey b_jonas
18:44:57 <nakilon> \ruby 1+2
18:45:06 <velik> 3
18:47:02 <nakilon> \ruby RUBY_VERSION
18:47:09 <velik> "2.7.3"
18:48:11 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85658&oldid=85657 * Rphii * (+52) /* Initialization */ clean-up
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19:19:00 <b_jonas> \ruby %"[ echo \ruby 7+2"
19:19:03 <velik> "[ echo \ruby 7+2"
19:19:07 <b_jonas> \ruby print %"[ echo \ruby 7+2"
19:19:10 <velik> [ echo [CR]uby 7+2nil
19:19:37 <b_jonas> \ruby print %q"[ echo \ruby 7+2"
19:19:40 <velik> [ echo \ruby 7+2nil
19:19:49 <b_jonas> \ruby print %q"[ echo \ruby 7+";2
19:19:52 <velik> [ echo \ruby 7+2
19:19:59 <b_jonas> yeah, there's a space
19:46:19 <arseniiv> <riv> i think lua uses floating points for tagged unions => cool
19:47:03 <imode> wha
19:47:08 <imode> floating points for tagged unions?
19:47:58 <riv> https://anniecherkaev.com/the-secret-life-of-nan
19:49:03 <imode> if a signal is available, it'll be used..
19:52:46 <keegan> life finds a way
19:53:10 <keegan> I have some Arduino libraries that return NaN for "sensor not found" which I find rather distasteful, but such is life
19:53:51 <int-e> no available number
19:53:57 <keegan> heh
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19:56:59 <fizzie> In Chicken, (number? +nan.0) => #t, which makes sense but just feels a bit off anyway.
20:03:08 <fizzie> Nearly a Number.
20:03:35 <fizzie> fungot: Do you use any floats?
20:03:35 <fungot> fizzie: ( sigh)
20:04:03 <int-e> fungot: do you prefer rafts?
20:04:03 <fungot> int-e: the abbreviation is not really a simple macro to write if or cond expressions.
20:06:26 <riv> hahah
20:11:46 <int-e> fungot: what will you do once you reach the floating point?
20:11:46 <fungot> int-e: if you're just talking nonsense now to fuck with their brains", right?") and it only needs some way of specifying arguments.
20:15:43 <oerjan> fungot's catching on
20:15:43 <fungot> oerjan: hmm what's fgk?
20:16:45 <int-e> oerjan: I know right? it's uncanny.
20:16:52 <fizzie> fungot: Fachverband Gebäude-Klima e. V. hth
20:16:52 <fungot> fizzie: i've gone in a short function of 3 lines can be one line :)
20:17:11 <int-e> Wow, air conditioning.
20:18:10 <int-e> fungot: was that a zzo38 quote...
20:18:11 <fungot> int-e: got a link to the user, or something... how can you beat that?)? i'm using a design of my esolang
20:18:31 <int-e> `? zzo38
20:18:33 <HackEso> zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem.
20:22:35 <shachaf> int-e: People seem to be into rafts and they always talk about how Paxos is complicated, but I don't think it's so bad.
20:25:03 <int-e> What is... oh... well, I didn't consent to be drawn into a distributed computing discussion.
20:25:26 <int-e> All I wanted was to go with the flow.
20:27:54 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Sebosh * New user account
20:29:11 <int-e> fungot: do you think people should figure out two-party consent first?
20:29:11 <fungot> int-e: i was quite surprised, when i were to use any of those so i guess the gcc version fnord an implementation of syntactic closures ( mit scheme)
20:29:49 <int-e> fungot: you lost me there
20:29:49 <fungot> int-e: and thanks for the ( 1) ( b1. 2))
20:29:58 <int-e> fungot: fine, be that way
20:29:59 <fungot> int-e: like funge98 ' ( ' foobar)? i'd like to
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20:30:04 <shachaf> I don't think consent and consensus are really the same thing.
20:30:52 <int-e> oh but there's a significant overlap
20:35:56 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85659&oldid=85656 * Sebosh * (+219)
20:37:04 <nakilon> \ruby eval's,m="",Hash.new(p=0);'+'+[-[<<[+[--->]-[<<<]]]>>>-]>-.---.>..>.<<<<-.<+.>>>>>.>.<<.<-.'.gsub(/./,?>=>'p+=1;',?<=>'p-=1;',?+=>'m[p]+=1;',?-=>'m[p]-=1;',?[=>'(',?]=>')until((m[p]&=255)==0);',?.=>'s<<m[p].chr;')+';fail s'
20:37:07 <velik> hello world
20:38:04 <nakilon> (based on https://gist.github.com/rdebath/3060affe89a739cf8624)
20:43:21 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85660&oldid=85647 * Sebosh * (+14)
20:45:02 <nakilon> "Please link only to existing article pages on this wiki.
20:46:12 <riv> nice one
20:47:57 <esolangs> [[Velik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85661&oldid=84306 * Nakilon * (+72) added \ruby invocation example
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20:51:31 <nakilon> age of consensus
20:51:50 <nakilon> how much is that?
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21:38:46 <esolangs> [[FIFOrth]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85662 * Sebosh * (+453) Created page with "==FIFOrth== FIFOrth is my first esolang and it is basically Forth but with a queue (FIFO) instead of a stack (LIFO). I am currently working on an interpreter, which I'll link..."
21:38:50 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Zero player rodent * uploaded "[[File:Eeklogo.png]]": The logo for Eek!
21:39:26 <esolangs> [[FIFOrth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85664&oldid=85662 * Sebosh * (+8)
21:40:39 <esolangs> [[Eek!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85665&oldid=85525 * Zero player rodent * (+4)
21:48:20 <int-e> https://nitter.fdn.fr/MalwareJake/status/1411351168643706886#m is an excellent idea.
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23:13:41 <Lykaina> hi
23:15:31 <Lykaina> just curious: is there still an #esoteric on freenode? i have no intention of connecting there to find out, so i ask.
23:32:26 <fizzie> It's still there.
23:32:48 <fizzie> Not registered, though.
23:33:01 <fizzie> (And with no ops or topic set.)
23:34:24 <fizzie> And there's been a total of one "conversation" after I stopped the logs, and that was about where everyone went (here).
23:34:38 <fizzie> So I guess "no" would be a perfectly arguable answer too.
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01:18:03 <b_jonas> yeah, channels lazily spring into existence when someone joins them, so most channels exist by default
01:18:21 <b_jonas> though you might also ask how many freenodes there are right now. the last time I heard about them, there were three.
02:09:14 <esolangs> [[Godencode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85667&oldid=85444 * Plasmath * (+52) fixed errors in code
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03:43:17 <b_jonas> nakilon: can you make the \ruby plugin not print the return value if it's nil, so that you can easily write statements where the output comes from print or similar?
03:44:13 <b_jonas> \ruby "nakilon: otherwise we need stupid workarounds like this:"; print("hi"); class M; def inspect; ""; end; end; M.new
03:44:16 <velik> hi
03:49:19 <esolangs> [[IRC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85668&oldid=34530 * B jonas * (+140) disambig hatnote
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04:12:04 <b_jonas> nakilon: also can you put the more recent source code to the github repo? it doesn't seem to have this ruby plugin yet
04:22:30 <b_jonas> \ruby system %q(>/proc/1/fd/5 echo 2yUJcT8bEz8w )
04:22:34 <velik> sh: echo: I/O errorfalse
05:02:19 <esolangs> [[S3C (sssc)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85669&oldid=85574 * Spargle * (+37) /* The world's stupidest language. */
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06:53:02 <Guest65> So are people still using irc here? Very Cool
06:55:21 <myname> no, none of the people here are using irc
06:56:02 <imode> heh
06:56:32 <int-e> there are people here?
06:57:13 <imode> this channel has people in it.
06:58:08 <myname> prove it
06:58:35 <Guest65> So i guess most of them are offline?
07:03:25 <zzo38> I still use IRC, at least. So do other people, I think
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07:09:44 <riv> yers
07:09:57 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85670&oldid=85163 * OllyTheFoldy * (+2255) /* Example codes */
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08:25:26 <int-e> `"
08:25:29 <HackEso> 1/1:1012) <elliott> five fucks away from installing ubuntu \ 1123) <Bike> i'm ten pages in to an ethernet-phy manual and i'm pretty sure the internet is impossible
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09:09:56 <zzo38> Is there any keyboards with Hollerith chording? It was a idea I had, disliking touch screens, T9 input, and pushing the numbers until the letters come up that you want; I think that Hollerith chording is better.
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09:38:41 <b_jonas> zzo38: I think there were card punch keyboards that had a few keys that added specific column punches to a character, as the way to access rare characters that aren't on their layout, but they're still ordinary QWERTY layout
09:43:52 <b_jonas> for a full hollerith keyboard, I think you'd need something like an alphabetic layout (which exist) with nine letters per row (I don't know if that exists) like number row 0123456789 top row &ABCDEFGHI home row -JKLMNOPQR bottom row /STUVWXYZ and then a space bar, and there are a few modifiers around it like a symbol modifier that adds the 8 hole, and a lower case modifier that modifies the 12 11 10
09:43:58 <b_jonas> holes in a weird way, and a meta modifier that adds the 9 hole
09:44:04 <b_jonas> and of course some control buttons like one to start on a new card
09:47:07 <b_jonas> but I think these don't exist, because by the time most card punches were made, people were already used to the QWERTY and similar layouts, and wanted to type fast, so they made card punches with those layouts
09:51:09 <b_jonas> zzo38: wait, this chorded one with 12 keys for the 12 holes does exist: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/oldpunch.html#ekpunch
09:51:22 <b_jonas> it was probably used for mostly punching numbers
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10:07:03 <nakilon> b_jonas maybe not print the return if anything was printed?
10:07:42 <nakilon> b_jonas I didn't open source the ruby plugin yet because I'm not sure about its safety yet )
10:12:01 <b_jonas> nakilon: I think not printing nil would be more transparent and less fragile hidden magic, that's how irb and many other interactive interpreters work
10:12:11 <nakilon> found anything? ) what is that proc fd thing?
10:12:42 <nakilon> irb prints nil
10:13:11 <b_jonas> nakilon: it's a socket and writing into it seemed to result in at least three apparently different results, including once a "thread error" that originates from your code, though it's possible that the fds of init aren't always numbered the same
10:13:27 <b_jonas> oh yeah, irb does print nil
10:13:29 <b_jonas> sorry
10:13:58 <b_jonas> still, some other interactive interpreters work that way
10:14:06 <nakilon> yeah python probably
10:15:19 <b_jonas> but then I don't particular like ruby, so I might be mostly using this to run other commands with eg. \ruby system %q(...)
10:15:33 <nakilon> and I won't say it's handy -- you don't clearly see if the command was ran at all; nil.to_s => "", nil.inspect => "nil" and IRB is inspecting the return value
10:16:07 <nakilon> I think I'll just hide the return value if stdout isn't empty
10:16:24 <nakilon> because usually you might not need both
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10:16:34 <b_jonas> whatever you prefer
10:16:47 <b_jonas> we can probably work around any of that on our side
10:17:44 <b_jonas> does this still react to [wiki:nonsense] ?
10:17:51 <velik> thread error
10:17:57 <b_jonas> it does
10:18:35 <b_jonas> that seems important enough that I should mention it on the wiki
10:18:40 <b_jonas> `prefixes
10:18:42 <HackEso> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
10:18:42 <b_jonas> ^prefixes
10:18:43 <fungot> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .
10:18:45 <b_jonas> perlbot prefixes
10:18:45 <perlbot> b_jonas: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
10:19:59 <b_jonas> \ruby "LWGlW5uLRaf6"
10:20:08 <b_jonas> (deliberate space before, just checking)
10:20:12 <b_jonas> \ruby "LWGlW5uLRaf6"
10:21:46 <b_jonas> blah [wiki:underload]
10:21:48 <velik> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload
10:22:03 <nakilon> b_jonas -- the OWASP of IRC
10:22:22 <esolangs> [[Velik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85671&oldid=85661 * B jonas * (+168) [wiki:
10:24:01 <b_jonas> no, I'm mostly just testing for bot loops and IRC-related exploits. I suspect the supposed container for this \ruby thing has holes, but I'd have to understand how the heck this https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/functions-framework-ruby library works to understand that, I probably won't bother much with that
10:25:52 <b_jonas> ^help def
10:25:52 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
10:26:28 <b_jonas> ^def prefixes ul (fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.)S
10:26:28 <fungot> Defined.
10:26:32 <b_jonas> ^prefixes
10:26:32 <fungot> fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.
10:31:26 <b_jonas> though maybe now that I edit it, I should add > into them
10:31:40 <b_jonas> ^def prefixes ul (fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.)S
10:31:40 <fungot> Defined.
10:31:44 <b_jonas> ^prefixes
10:31:44 <fungot> fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.
10:31:47 <b_jonas> perlbot prefixes
10:31:47 <perlbot> b_jonas: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
10:32:08 <b_jonas> perlbot learn prefixes are fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
10:32:09 <perlbot> b_jonas: Stored prefixes as fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
10:32:09 <fungot> b_jonas: i really like this situation and decided to put the registers into the ram... the other car is for the week/ day/ moment: why the emphasis on math starts to slowly fall away. like in fnord example on an o(1) operation, just like in qbf, you take the result modulo 10.
10:32:54 <b_jonas> `/bin/cat /hackenv/bin/prefixes
10:32:55 <HackEso> ​\? prefixes
10:33:01 <b_jonas> `? prefixes
10:33:03 <HackEso> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
10:33:27 <b_jonas> `learn prefixes Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
10:33:27 <fungot> b_jonas: is set!'s scope bound to the command after the current character to the topmost a
10:33:30 <HackEso> Learned 'prefixe': prefixes Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
10:33:34 <b_jonas> `prefixes
10:33:36 <HackEso> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
10:33:37 <b_jonas> `? prefixes
10:33:39 <HackEso> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
10:33:42 <b_jonas> perlbot prefixes
10:33:43 <perlbot> b_jonas: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
10:33:44 <b_jonas> ^prefixes
10:33:44 <fungot> fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.
10:34:13 <b_jonas> perlbot compose [learn prefixes are Bot prefixes: [fact prefixes]]
10:34:13 <perlbot> b_jonas: Compose failed to find a plugin named: learn
10:34:18 <b_jonas> perlbot compose [fact learn prefixes are Bot prefixes: [fact prefixes]]
10:34:18 <perlbot> b_jonas: Stored prefixes as Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
10:34:25 <b_jonas> perlbot prefixes
10:34:25 <perlbot> b_jonas: Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
10:34:49 <b_jonas> perlbot logs
10:34:49 <perlbot> b_jonas: #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/
10:35:51 <b_jonas> the tunes log seems to be logging the channel on one of the freenodes
10:36:40 <esolangs> [[Velik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85672&oldid=85671 * Nakilon * (+145) added [wiki:...] helper example
10:38:00 <esolangs> [[Velik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85673&oldid=85672 * Nakilon * (-1) moved this snippet lower
10:38:14 <nakilon> didn't notice your addition
10:38:38 <nakilon> I should add velik to thelounge highlights
10:39:20 <nakilon> \ruby p 1; 2
10:39:29 <velik> 1
10:39:41 <nakilon> \ruby 2
10:39:47 <velik> 2
10:39:48 <nakilon> \ruby "velik"
10:39:52 <velik> "velik"
10:40:47 <b_jonas> \ruby system %q(openssl rand -base64 18);(1..7).to_a
10:40:54 <velik> t8IFt0N+9ok4L6P8nX/jY4mC
10:41:00 <b_jonas> \ruby system %q(openssl rand -vase64 18); (1..7).to_a
10:41:03 <nakilon> \reload remote
10:41:04 <velik> remote execution commands loaded: ["rasel", "morse", "demorse", "ruby"]
10:41:09 <nakilon> \help ruby
10:41:10 <velik> rand: Option unknown option -vase64[1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]
10:41:15 <velik> \ruby <Ruby lang code>; does not print return value if stdout isn't empty; timelimit=10s
10:42:17 <int-e> Ugh, do we have another bot?
10:42:29 <b_jonas> int-e: for now, yes.
10:42:40 <int-e> Ah, no, velik is known already.
10:42:49 <b_jonas> int-e: it's an evalbot so it's possible that nakilon will give up running it quickly
10:42:55 <int-e> So is perlbot (meaning, lambdabot knows about these two.)
10:43:14 <b_jonas> int-e: perlbot is not new, it's just newly joined on #esolangs
10:43:48 <int-e> perlbot is a more recent addition to lambdabot's ignore list
10:43:49 <perlbot> int-e: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [.is] [is] [iis] [@isa] [ic] [ik] [.iq] [iaq] [icke] [ioccc]
10:44:08 <int-e> ugh, no colon required?
10:47:39 <b_jonas> also perlbot is a heavily modified further developed version of buubot3, and buubot3 is a spiritual successor of buubot2, and buubot2 is rather old
10:48:11 <b_jonas> int-e: fungot doesn't require a colon either, so I don't think this is worse
10:48:11 <fungot> b_jonas: really? i'm fnord, iirc. :p at least i'll make a game like this
10:49:16 <b_jonas> wait, I thought I exceeded four lines?
10:49:34 <int-e> b_jonas: you get five, I think.
10:49:41 <b_jonas> no I haven't
10:50:54 <b_jonas> buubot3 used to be configured to also react to its built-in command names like fact and echo and help, but probably only in his home channel and private message
10:51:33 <b_jonas> perlbot only does so in private message apparently
10:52:16 <b_jonas> I actually prefer bots that react to their names to ones that only react to short prefixes. more discoverable.
10:52:19 <b_jonas> like, you can't do
10:52:22 <b_jonas> HackEso: help
10:52:30 <b_jonas> you have to find out somewhere that you have to type `help or something
10:53:17 <nakilon> \ruby require 'securerandom'; SecureRandom.base64 10
10:53:23 <velik> "ZoDiL+qZ/fjKlg=="
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10:53:27 <b_jonas> though in jevalbot I got the worst of both worlds: it reacts to its nick but also has such a weird syntax that it's still not discoverable
10:53:56 <b_jonas> propulsion?
10:54:16 <b_jonas> is it another reactionless drive thing again?
10:54:35 <int-e> it's when a language really takes off
10:55:05 <int-e> I'm also running out of words that start with "pro-".
10:55:17 <b_jonas> I mean https://xkcd.com/1404/ and https://xkcd.com/955/
10:56:21 <int-e> Hmm, I don't remember either of those.
10:56:44 <b_jonas> the xkcds or the hype around the original experiments?
10:57:10 <int-e> both, really
10:57:52 <b_jonas> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light_neutrino_anomaly was the neutrino one
10:58:13 <b_jonas> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1404:_Quantum_Vacuum_Virtual_Plasma probalby has links for the more recent one
10:58:45 <b_jonas> hmm, is there an xkcd for the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_anomaly ?
10:59:39 <b_jonas> although admittedly the Pioneer anomaly *predates* xkcd
10:59:44 <b_jonas> wow, that's a rare thing to say
11:00:58 <b_jonas> but of course it is referenced in xkcds: 502 title text, 1547, 1621
11:02:13 <b_jonas> hmm no, 1621 is apparently about another anomaly of spacecraft trajectories, fun
11:04:09 <nakilon> \ruby `openssl rand -base64 18`
11:04:13 <velik> "ZJAY1xFL9eA5WZf8xHkmfbaP\n"
11:04:31 <nakilon> \ruby puts `openssl rand -base64 18`
11:04:33 <velik> nbMuD/e+zrL7MD8YfCVRaYlm
11:09:34 <b_jonas> nakilon: is there a way to upload or download data to velik faster than tunneling through the \ruby command and its responses?
11:09:45 <b_jonas> possibly one outside of IRC
11:10:13 <b_jonas> HackEso and perlbot have web interfaces for this, and HackEso also has the !fetch builtin command
11:10:47 <nakilon> nope, the \ remote executors are all temporary linux machines that start and die immediately
11:11:03 <b_jonas> no way, I tested that it can store persistent stuff already
11:11:30 <nakilon> and since I'm running out of money I moved the IRC bot itself to a smaller machine so other bots I run there can make it slower to react on the command too
11:11:41 <b_jonas> \ruby system %q(>/tmp/KNg_VCwx0Mf6 echo XzC-o_acVjLC)
11:11:46 <velik> true
11:11:55 <b_jonas> \ruby system %q(cat /tmp/KNg_VCwx0Mf6)
11:11:58 <velik> XzC-o_acVjLC
11:12:11 <b_jonas> the file system is persistent
11:12:23 <nakilon> maybe it can download, idk
11:12:24 <b_jonas> it might not be guaranteed to presist forever
11:13:05 <b_jonas> I'm just wondering, I'm not saying that you have to add a faster method, I just want to know before I start to tunnel larger amounts of data over IRC
11:13:17 <int-e> \ruby system %q(curl http://whatismyip.akamai.com/)
11:13:21 <velik> % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current107.178.231.229
11:14:01 <b_jonas> int-e: there's one of those that work without crazy heavy browser script stuff? wow, good to know
11:14:25 <b_jonas> indeed
11:15:13 <nakilon> "Depending on the volume of requests, as well as the number of existing function instances, Cloud Functions may assign a request to an existing instance or create a new one. Each instance of a function handles only one concurrent request at a time. "
11:16:05 <b_jonas> nakilon: right, so it's just opportunistically persistent. that makes the tunneling even worse since I may have to resend some data
11:16:52 <nakilon> yeah, if you can't fit it in one command
11:17:36 <b_jonas> yeah. I'm not going to golf everything down to one IRC line.
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11:18:16 <nakilon> maybe I should isolate the network at all for security purpose but I'm lazy to do it yet
11:18:33 <b_jonas> wait, there's network access?
11:18:36 <b_jonas> that's so abusable
11:18:45 <b_jonas> I'll have to upload a botnet then
11:19:10 <nakilon> it requires me to configure the project in some way that operates such terms as "business" and stuff while legally I can't use it like I use it now according to tax services in Russia
11:19:17 <b_jonas> oh, that also means I can just upload or download larger data through network
11:19:31 <nakilon> it just doesn't spend too much money so tax services don't give a damn about me yet
11:19:57 <b_jonas> I might try that later
11:20:10 <b_jonas> though the 10 second time limit makes it a bit inconvenient
11:20:17 <nakilon> b_jonas your botnet will work only 10 seconds minus something
11:20:20 <nakilon> ye
11:20:37 <b_jonas> nakilon: that just means I have to send a new command every 10 seconds, but sure
11:20:51 <b_jonas> nakilon: and it has network access, so it might be able to send commands to itself
11:21:04 <nakilon> I doubt
11:21:13 <b_jonas> though it's hard to connect to IRC in 10 seconds
11:21:13 <nakilon> I mean it definitely can't spin itself
11:21:42 <b_jonas> at least to libera, which waits for a timeout on identd, unless I can run an identd in the command
11:21:52 <nakilon> I guess libera will ban it
11:21:59 <b_jonas> that too
11:23:37 <nakilon> btw, how to quickly get money other than selling nudes and kidneys? ..D
11:24:40 <hanif> hm https://cs.stackexchange.com/q/141979 , basically asks if halt(`:;s/pattern/replacement/;t`) where both pattern and replacement are [ab]* is decidable or not
11:24:45 <nakilon> I wish I was a professional in some more demanded job, like cutting grass
11:26:14 <b_jonas> nakilon: catch a pokemon, grind its level up, fight every pokemon trainer you meet, they give you money as you win
11:26:29 <nakilon> _Oo
11:26:31 <b_jonas> you may have to spend a smaller part of the money on items, but the rest will be profit
11:26:42 <b_jonas> or maybe some gold duplication glitch
11:27:30 <b_jonas> try to drop your money, wait, pick up money and quickly close the game, your inventory is saved more frequently than the rest of the world so you often get a copy of your money in your inventory and one copy still dropped;
11:27:58 <nakilon> does it work IRL?
11:31:40 <b_jonas> in old versions, there was also a different way to duplicate gold, it involved something with letting a monster steal your gold then petrifying them, and somehow for historical reasons the statue stored the amount of gold both as gold and as an object, and you could get both. if you want lots of money, you have to be careful not to try to get more than 2**31 gold, though if you do overflow, the antigold
11:31:46 <b_jonas> has particularly useful properties, most importantly having a large negtive weight and thus making your effective carrying capacity almost infinite
11:32:05 <b_jonas> it's one of the very few ways to lift an object that's heavier than 1000
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11:40:44 <b_jonas> nakilon: I hope it at least isn't allowed to connect to outbound smtp, because someone attempting to send mail (even if it fails) is the quickest way to get people angry at your service
11:41:31 <int-e> Reminds me of my favorite bug in a MUD... so, there's money. When you try to pick up more money than you can carry, it'll produce as change the money that you couldn't carry. Now imagine you're overloaded due to another bug... it would produce change corresponding to the amount by which you were overloaded, and give you a negative amount of money, which it conveniently clamped at 0.
11:43:44 <b_jonas> int-e: is there one of these no-javascript whatismyip services that work for ipv6?
11:44:33 <b_jonas> int-e: um... I don't understand that money thing, your statements are a bit unclear
11:44:46 <b_jonas> also, a MUD with weight limit and money that has a weight? weird
11:47:06 <int-e> is it weird?
11:47:09 * int-e shrugs
11:47:29 <b_jonas> no, I probably just played too few MUDs
11:47:37 <b_jonas> so I find everything weird
11:47:42 <int-e> it had banks, so you didn't have to carry all your riches around at all times
11:48:36 <b_jonas> int-e: let me guess. if you die, you lose half or all your cash but keep the money in the bank, so you have to find an ATM to deposit and withdraw money often as insurance, and the ATM's interface is very annoying
11:49:23 <int-e> Normal scenario: You have 1kg capacity left to carry. You pick up 2kg of coins. So that would put you 1kg over the limit. So the code would produce change making up 1kg of coins and leave that in the room.
11:49:54 <int-e> Bug scenario: You're 1kg over capacity. You pick up 2kg of coins. So the code produced 3kg coins of change and left that in the room
11:50:08 <int-e> while the -1kg of coins that you'd get in this exchange went poof.
11:51:05 <fizzie> b_jonas: `dig -6 +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com aaaa` works for me.
11:51:18 * int-e is actually simplifying because the real combination of bugs was way too convoluted.
12:02:08 <b_jonas> fizzie: wow, one with a name server interface, that's interesting
12:02:58 <b_jonas> int-e: ah I see. but it doesn't try to produce different denominations of coins, like silver coins if you can't pick up a whole gold coin or something
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12:04:23 <b_jonas> yeah, that wouldn't even work with a weight limit, because lower denominations are heavier
12:04:30 <b_jonas> or at least relatively heavier
12:04:35 <b_jonas> usually
12:05:24 <int-e> b_jonas: right, it would do this separately for each denomination, actually
12:06:57 <b_jonas> now I wonder if there's a currency that has two denominations such that a larger denomination coin or banknote is realtively heavier (in proportion to its nominal value) than a smaller one
12:08:56 <b_jonas> ah, there is
12:09:28 <b_jonas> the pre-1990 1 HUF aluminium coin was much lighter than the thick and large 2 HUF that's made of normal metals
12:11:08 <b_jonas> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coins_of_the_Hungarian_forint#People's_Republic_issues_(1949-1989) says the pre-1990 aluminium 1 HUF coin weighs 1.4 g and the pre-1990 2 HUF coin weighs 5.0 g
12:11:19 <b_jonas> ah no
12:11:23 <b_jonas> only 4.44 g
12:11:40 <b_jonas> apparently 5.0 g is the figure of some older coin of 2 HUF denomination
12:11:47 <b_jonas> but still it's an example for what I was looking for
12:14:35 <b_jonas> though perhaps a heavy coin compared to a lighter banknote might also be an example
12:14:52 <b_jonas> or, for that matter, two different coins with the same denomination is sort of a stupid example
12:17:19 <fizzie> The pre-Euro Finnish markka *almost* had that, but not quite: the variant of the 50p coin introduced in 1990 weighed 3.3g, while the 1 FIM coin that stayed current up to 1993 was 6.1g, which is just slightly too light to count.
12:18:37 <fizzie> (They were kind of in the process of making them lighter, but staggered the introduction of new coins.)
12:22:22 <fizzie> Oh, there's an actual example too: between 1977-1982 or so, the new (aluminium) 5p coin was just 0.8g, while the older (aluminium-bronze) 10p coin was a whole 3g.
12:27:16 <b_jonas> I think back when the pre-1990 10 and 20 HUF banknotes still existed, even though they were rare because of the pre-1990 10 and 20 HUF coins, the 10 HUF banknote was lighter than the 20 HUF coin
12:28:58 <b_jonas> I mean they were both used as money, obviously copies still exist in collections
12:32:57 <b_jonas> one thing the MNB managed to do correctly so far is that old forint coins and banknotes can be exchanged in post offices for face value for quite a long time after they're removed from circulation
12:33:20 <nakilon> soviet 1 kopeika was weighting exaclty 1 gramm
12:33:27 <nakilon> same for 2, 3 and 5
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12:34:26 <b_jonas> I think I thought that was the normal way how you replace coins and banknotes, and later I learned that a few years ago when the swedish krona coins and notes got replaced, you could exchange them for only a very short time; I also know that you can't exchange finnish marka anymore
12:34:56 <b_jonas> nakilon: "same" as in they weigh exactly 1 gramm, or they weigh exactly 1 gramm per kopek of face value?
12:35:06 <nakilon> per
12:35:40 <b_jonas> are they made of ordinary metals?
12:35:52 <nakilon> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91S7NIA1fhL._SS400_.jpg
12:36:45 <nakilon> that metal color was red, probably had some copper in it, the higher coins were not
12:37:24 <nakilon> these photos show the color better: https://www.amazon.com/USSR-Coins/s?k=USSR+Coins
12:37:41 <b_jonas> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_ruble#Coins_3
12:38:31 <b_jonas> (and yes, ordinary metals)
12:38:49 <nakilon> 1 Ruble was cool, the largest and the heaviest coin, but was rare
12:39:44 <nakilon> wikipedia page table fucks up colors
12:43:03 <nakilon> then when Rubles were changed to Grivnyas the 2 kop. coin was of pure aluminium for who knows why for several years
12:43:35 <nakilon> it didn't shine and you could draw dark lines with it like with a pencil, it was awful
12:47:06 <b_jonas> nakilon: it's because aluminium became cheap because of industry developments, and it's light so suitable as cash back when people payed more with cash than now because bank cards were rare or nonexistent, while ordinary coin metals like copper/nickel/zinc/tin/manganese/iron didn't become cheaper
12:47:32 <b_jonas> in the past, aluminum would have been too expensive for cheap coins
12:47:33 <nakilon> the proportial weight was cool in the way that you could just mix all the 1 2 3 and 5 and the total weight in grams would be equal to its price
12:49:32 <nakilon> I won't call aluminium cheap -- in 90s all the aluminium on streets was stolen and sold, all the rods, all the wires even
12:49:55 <b_jonas> nakilon: yes, but the same applies to copper
12:50:14 <b_jonas> iron is the only metal cheap enough to avoid that
12:50:24 <nakilon> if some alcoholic gets into your garden he steals all the aluminium wires that were commonly used to wire plants to vertical rods
12:50:36 <nakilon> yes
12:51:25 <b_jonas> and even iron can be stolen if there's a large amount together, which happened with railway transformers and cables and railway rails, no matter that it often shocks the thieves
12:52:03 <nakilon> transformers had copper
12:52:07 <b_jonas> a lot of bronze statues got stolen
12:52:14 <b_jonas> nakilon: yeah, that might the reason
12:52:29 <b_jonas> and rails might be worth more than their metal
12:52:52 <b_jonas> because they're very standardized so easy to reuse and hard to trace
12:53:00 <nakilon> there is a diggers' hobby to find WW2 tanks and ammunition
12:53:15 <nakilon> the whole tank sells well as an iron
12:53:23 <nakilon> but usually it's only tracks
12:53:33 <nakilon> broken tracks that were abandoned
12:55:09 <b_jonas> as for that, you know how people say that cash is untracable? I wonder how long it will stay that way. a lot of cash is handled in vending machines and banks who already inspect all the banknotes in interesting electronic ways to catch counterfeats and remove damaged or old banknotes from circulation. I think from a technical point it would be easy for banks and vending machines to read the unique
12:55:15 <b_jonas> serial number from each banknote, so it's only a legal and political question for when banks start to do that for most banknote cash transactions and collect the data to a shared serial database.
12:55:53 <b_jonas> and technologically it even gets easier, because once banks do that, new banknotes can be printed with serial numbers in a format that's easier for machines to read, and then more vending machines can read them
12:56:02 <nakilon> not sure about rails -- you can't just meld them together in the way no one would notice -- they are numbered and periodically checked with ultrasound
12:56:40 <nakilon> cash never was untraceable, they are all numbered
12:56:43 <b_jonas> I don't really understand the political side, but I think it would be easy to introduce by scope creep: first say that it's supposedly only against things that everyone hates: counterfeits and money laundering.
12:57:14 <nakilon> the trace is just lost when you use cash without a cash register
12:57:39 <nakilon> like... enter some shop and ask them for exchange
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12:58:19 <b_jonas> then extend to catch money used for services that are clearly illegal and that I won't name here, then to services that can technically be done legally but most payment providers will ban you for it, then to things that ebay bans, then to trace things that youtube demonetizes you for, then to catch large scale tax evasion in construction industry, then finally to catch small scale tax evasion for
12:58:25 <b_jonas> ordinary businesses and individuals.
12:58:39 <nakilon> oh I mean not just cash register but ATMs
12:58:42 <b_jonas> nakilon: yes, but you don't need to trace every transaction perfectly, you just need to trace enough of it until it becomes hard to use
12:58:47 <nakilon> cash registers don't scan numbers
12:58:58 <b_jonas> yes, ATMs too, not just banks and vending machines
12:59:46 <b_jonas> banks are already pushing for people to use these fancy new ATMs where you can insert banknotes and it scans them without manual intervention and pays the money on your bank account, so you can use ATMs in both directions
12:59:55 <b_jonas> all this applies to banknotes only, not coins, but that's not a problem
13:01:01 <b_jonas> so I think if such large scale tracing isn't done yet, it will be in two decades
13:01:14 <b_jonas> and cash will no longer count as untracable
13:01:40 <nakilon> when I tell someone about the data mining and stuff and the persons laughs "no one stole anything from me, ahaha, you are paranoid, I am smart, ahaha" -- I wish I could someone telepathically make that person understand the amount of stupidity I see in them
13:02:21 <b_jonas> that said many of the people who mention this usually contrast it with payment methods from bank cards and bank accounts, and cryptocurrency, so they do have a valid point that currently cash is less tracable than other common payment methods
13:02:21 <nakilon> maybe the language needs some words for illiteracy measurement
13:02:55 <nakilon> the virus easily made people switch to card, even me
13:04:29 <nakilon> but they also love to demonstrate in stores: "hey people around me, look! I pay with phone! look I pay with watches!" -- not even understanding that it's absolutely opposite from being handy, and they spend much more time paying in this way than it was using cash because the device battery dies or it's just lagging, etc.
13:07:50 <nakilon> it's important to understand that they don't believe in things not just because they didn't get any true evidence of stuff but purely because of stubbornness because in fact no evidence in the world would change their minds, even if Zukerberg would say "dudes, I was stealing, I was fooling", they would say "we don't give a shit" just because
13:07:50 <nakilon> admitting that they were always wrong would be too butthurting
13:08:14 <nakilon> I just feel to much disgust to this phenomenon
13:08:51 <b_jonas> the "pay with phone" thing I don't understand. I carry with me three important items: a wallet of money, a mobile phone, and my home keys. If a pickpocket steals them from me, I'd rather they not steal two at the same time, because I can use the others to ask for help, eg. I can use phone to call my relatives who have a spare key or use money for the same, if money is stolen I go home with keys and grab
13:08:57 <b_jonas> spare money or card, so I keep the three separately. paying with phone seems like you put your bank card and your phone in the same place, ready to be stolen together.
13:09:45 <b_jonas> (well, in reality it's five important items that I should keep separately, but I simply can't figure out how to keep five things separately and easy to reach and hard to pickpocket, so they just go in four locations)
13:10:02 <nakilon> I realised that people are fools not because they were not told the truth but purely because it's their level of illiteracy and arrogance when even the "I worked for Facebook" argument was absolutely nothing for them
13:10:38 <nakilon> yeah I switched to topic, sorry
13:10:59 <nakilon> the topic of tracking the people is just what annoys me
13:11:08 <nakilon> *fact of
13:12:21 <b_jonas> I really wish I could solve this, but there seems to be no easy solution. if I keep anything really important in my backpack, I'm afraid it gets stolen. if I keep anything in my shirt or coat, I'll misplace it. that leaves my jeans and a small belt loop bag. jean back pockets are limited: most things would get damaged and/or would be inconvenient to sit on, so I only store one of the five things there.
13:12:27 <b_jonas> that leaves a small bag and two front pockets for four items.
13:12:46 <b_jonas> perhaps I should try to get a second belt loop bag. I have worn such for a compact camera occasionally.
13:13:02 <nakilon> when they say "no one stole from me anything" they are smiling like if the demonstrating own illiteracy was something to be proud of
13:13:53 <nakilon> and they don't even care if there is a one person like you who is disgusted because all other people around that they are carefully filtering believe that everything is ok
13:14:45 <nakilon> what about inside pockets?
13:16:31 <b_jonas> nakilon: inside pockets are in the jacket, which I can replace or not wear some day and won't think of moving items from it
13:16:58 <b_jonas> I (usually) don't forget moving items when switching jeans
13:17:44 <nakilon> there are freaks who implant credit cards under their skin
13:18:11 <nakilon> there should be anonymous-friendly yet useful implants
13:18:21 <b_jonas> I should probably consider storing my keys in my backpack, and storing IDs in my right jean pocket where I normally have the keys
13:18:34 <nakilon> or was it a guy who implanted a metro ticket
13:21:04 <nakilon> in the apartments where I live people are taught to use the same device to open their house doors and enter the metro
13:22:18 <nakilon> while the metro (subway, whatever) was ALWAYS known to be stealing the data -- the WiFi ALWAYS had the broken certificates and mobile devices tell you that ut NO ONE cares and millions of people use the wifi every day
13:23:26 <nakilon> even after articles where dudes have sniffed the wifi traffic to see that there are data flying around that tracks every wifi user with such attributes like phone number, estimated age, estimated salary, estimated home and job locations, education level, etc.
13:25:00 <nakilon> and to see that they are tracking this it wasn't even needed to hack their databases -- it's only what was leaking to the wifi lan; the metro tracks every wifi user about where he lives, works, studies, what's his family status, etc. -- it was all discovered and no one still cares
13:26:23 <nakilon> people are still using the Mosgortrans Wifi that is in metro and buses, not caring at all when the device says "dude the certificates are invalid", and so the Mosgortrans that is already exposed several times to track the data clearly can read all the traffic but no one cares
13:28:48 <nakilon> so now this company is partnering with companies who build new apartments -- they are now offering the way to pay for metro with the keys, so no metro doesn't need to estimate your location -- they have your personal data directly, knowing which flat you own, your full identity
13:31:48 <nakilon> this is a sample sniffed packed https://dpaste.org/YBED/slim
13:31:59 <nakilon> *packet
13:32:41 <nakilon> here is another view https://tproger.ru/s3/uploads/2018/04/hash.jpg
13:33:08 <nakilon> they even track if you are married
13:37:47 <nakilon> the articles even explain that there are standard hacking utilities that you can use in the way that you just stalk the person from one wagon to another until you identify his MAC or you can make it faster by filtering by model/laptop model that is also tracked
13:38:32 <nakilon> when you identify the person the metro wifi gives you this person's phone number and all this datamined data
13:38:46 <nakilon> metro/bus
13:42:21 <nakilon> did anyone make any conclusions when these articles were published on the most popular IT-related website of the country that everyone knows? nope. people are absolutely okay with that come company tracks everything about them -- they just say "so what? how can they use it against me? they can't take money from my pocket, ahaha" and not even the
13:42:21 <nakilon> fact that they read all their traffic, i.e. email, etc., makes any sense to them
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15:51:03 <esolangs> [[Common-S3C]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85677&oldid=85676 * Spargle * (+0) /* Links: */
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15:52:05 <oerjan> >hi
15:52:10 <oerjan> ^prefixes
15:52:10 <fungot> fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.
15:52:19 <oerjan> `? prefixes
15:52:21 <HackEso> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
15:52:34 <oerjan> perlbot prefixes
15:52:35 <perlbot> oerjan: Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
15:54:22 <oerjan> *sigh*
15:54:28 <oerjan> `? prefixe
15:54:30 <HackEso> prefixes Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
15:54:38 <oerjan> `forget prefixe
15:54:40 <HackEso> Forget what?
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15:58:37 <oerjan> `le/rn prefixes//Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
15:58:37 <fungot> oerjan: but bsmnt_bot isn't throttled, but not enough to put pics with an alpha value, there's problems with every language is interpreted
15:58:41 <HackEso> Relearned 'prefixes': Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
15:59:30 <oerjan> ^def prefixes ul (fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.)S
15:59:30 <fungot> Defined.
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15:59:40 <oerjan> ^prefixes
15:59:40 <fungot> fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.
15:59:46 <oerjan> `prefixes
15:59:48 <HackEso> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
16:00:46 <oerjan> ^def prefixes ul (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.)S
16:00:46 <fungot> Defined.
16:00:52 <oerjan> ^prefixes
16:00:52 <fungot> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.
16:01:07 <oerjan> perlbot prefixes
16:01:07 <perlbot> oerjan: Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
16:04:50 <oerjan> perlbot learn prefixes are Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
16:04:50 <fungot> oerjan: ratty is the name ' nine inch nails crowd?' as ' sine' should pronounce ' char'...?
16:04:51 <perlbot> oerjan: Stored prefixes as Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
16:05:08 <oerjan> perlbot prefixes
16:05:08 <perlbot> oerjan: Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
16:05:20 <FireFly> \.help
16:05:37 <oerjan> oh wait
16:05:41 <oerjan> *sigh*
16:05:44 <FireFly> .help
16:06:07 * FireFly can't tell if it's supposed to be an escaped dot or verbatim backslash dot
16:06:12 <oerjan> perlbot prefixes
16:06:12 <perlbot> oerjan: Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
16:06:17 <oerjan> ^prefixes
16:06:17 <fungot> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.
16:06:22 <oerjan> `prefixes
16:06:25 <HackEso> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
16:07:29 <oerjan> argh
16:08:38 <oerjan> ^def prefixes ul (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.)S
16:08:38 <fungot> Defined.
16:08:50 <oerjan> ok now i hope they are identical.
16:10:35 <oerjan> ^prefixes
16:10:35 <fungot> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
16:12:58 <fizzie> It sure is a good thing we've got balanced parentheses in prefixes.
16:13:52 <b_jonas> FireFly: it's a backslash, the dot ends the sentence
16:13:56 <b_jonas> \help
16:13:56 <velik> available commands: ["rasel", "morse", "demorse", "ruby"]; usage help: \help <cmd>
16:14:38 <b_jonas> oerjan: oh, it was under prefixes, not prefixe? sorry
16:15:19 <b_jonas> oerjan: oh, it was under prefixes, not prefixe? sorry
16:15:23 <b_jonas> `? rules of wisdom
16:15:25 <HackEso> unless essential for the entry‘s humor, \ they should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation
16:16:04 <FireFly> b_jonas: ...oh
16:16:36 <b_jonas> \ruby system %q(ls /tmp; df); # FireFly: this is the latest command, an evaluator
16:16:49 <velik> thread error
16:17:21 <b_jonas> \ruby system %q(ls /tmp; df); # FireFly: this is the latest command, an evaluator
16:17:31 <velik> thread error
16:17:35 * FireFly pets velik
16:17:40 <FireFly> it's okay
16:20:00 <oerjan> fizzie: i lobbied for jconn to get that prefix for that precise reason
16:20:32 <oerjan> before that i used bf. it was painful.
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17:02:43 <esolangs> [[A:;]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85679&oldid=63932 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+203) re-add fizzbuzz example that was accidentally deleted
17:03:30 <esolangs> [[A:;]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85680&oldid=85679 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+4) make the fizzbuzz section header a link like the others
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17:39:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pointless]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85681&oldid=63537 * Traveller * (+461) Reflection on a property formerly held to be true.
17:41:38 <zzo38> b_jonas: Yes, but were there any such keyboards used for purposes other than punching holes in cards? (When you have constrainted space and not many keys, it might be helpful)
17:42:03 <esolangs> [[Pointless]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85682&oldid=79210 * Traveller * (+66)
17:42:35 <esolangs> [[Pointless]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85683&oldid=85682 * Traveller * (+1)
17:46:58 <zzo38> (Just, I don't really like the existing methods of text entry on telephone keypads, and I think that Hollerith chording would be better way of entering text on numeric keypads. If you have a full keyboard that is better, but that won't work when you do not have a full keyboard)
17:51:25 <riv> Hollerith chording?
17:52:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pointless]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85684&oldid=85681 * Traveller * (+230)
17:53:51 <zzo38> riv: Meaning a numeric keypad (and another key for a space); if you push a number by itself then it makes a number, but if you push in combination with - & or other numbers then you can make alphabets/punctuations.
17:54:08 <riv> how does it work?
17:56:34 <zzo38> riv: The possible combinations are shown in the picture: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Blue-punch-card-front-horiz.png So, pushing 0 and 2 together makes "T", and pushing & and 1 together makes "A".
17:57:25 <esolangs> [[Pointless]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85685&oldid=85683 * Traveller * (+117)
17:58:28 <riv> I see
17:58:39 <riv> this would take a long time to learn to use
17:58:46 <riv> and could be bad fpr fingers
18:01:06 <zzo38> I dislike the more common methods though (such as pushing the numbers until it comes up the letters that you want and waiting for delays or explicitly skipping)
18:01:29 <riv> yeah
18:06:12 <zzo38> I also dislike touch screen
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19:15:14 <oerjan> cal 7 1776
19:15:18 <oerjan> oops
19:15:47 <oerjan> so wrong window :P
19:16:39 * oerjan is playing with doomsdays and was checking if he got it right
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20:05:17 <esolangs> [[S3C (sssc)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85686&oldid=85678 * Spargle * (-84) /* Links: */
20:05:59 <esolangs> [[Common-S3C]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85687&oldid=85677 * Spargle * (-84) /* Links: */
20:06:52 <esolangs> [[Common-S3C]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85688&oldid=85687 * Spargle * (-4) /* The world's stupidest language. */
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21:29:32 <riv> https://i.postimg.cc/q4nqtWRt/s-l1600.jpg zzo38
21:49:55 <nakilon> looks like scrambled rubik's cude
21:49:57 <nakilon> *b
21:54:42 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Skelozard * New user account
21:58:16 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85690&oldid=85659 * Skelozard * (+146) /* Introductions */
21:58:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:PokBattle]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85691 * Skelozard * (+205) Created page with "I've created a [https://github.com/Educorreia932/PokeBattle Python interpreter] for PokBattle. I tried to stay as close as possible to the original specification and it has..."
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23:02:26 <wib_jonas> oh great. ISP is doing weird things again. for like 20 minutes the whole internet connection was down. now it's mostly down, but a few ranges of hosts like this webchat are reachable.
23:07:12 <wib_jonas> perlbot eval "or at least I think it's reachable,"; "pong"
23:07:14 <perlbot> wib_jonas: pong 🇺🇸
23:12:56 <wib_jonas> direct IRC connections and most other hosts still don't work
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00:29:21 <esolangs> [[S3C (sssc)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85693&oldid=85692 * Spargle * (+120) /* Syntax: */
00:29:56 <esolangs> [[Common-S3C]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85694&oldid=85688 * Spargle * (+92) /* Syntax: */
01:26:51 <esolangs> [[Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85695&oldid=85512 * PolySaken * (+509)
02:51:17 <esolangs> [[PokBattle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85696&oldid=78267 * Quintopia * (+104) implemented
02:52:58 <esolangs> [[User:Quintopia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85697&oldid=80745 * Quintopia * (+17)
02:53:37 <esolangs> [[User:Quintopia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85698&oldid=85697 * Quintopia * (+1)
02:55:19 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85699&oldid=85627 * PixelatedStarfish * (+114) /* Pointer operations */
03:15:44 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85700&oldid=85699 * PixelatedStarfish * (+356) /* Pointer operations */
03:24:01 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85701&oldid=85700 * PixelatedStarfish * (+146) /* Pointer operations */
03:24:50 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85702&oldid=85701 * PixelatedStarfish * (+6) /* A note on Goblins */
03:25:10 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85703&oldid=85702 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* A note on Goblins */
03:25:26 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85704&oldid=85703 * PixelatedStarfish * (+4) /* A note on Goblins */
03:26:14 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85705&oldid=85704 * PixelatedStarfish * (-4) /* A note on Goblins */
03:26:33 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85706&oldid=85705 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* A note on Goblins */
03:26:55 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85707&oldid=85706 * PixelatedStarfish * (-6) /* A note on Goblins */
03:29:54 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85708&oldid=85707 * PixelatedStarfish * (+286) /* Memory Muncher */
03:31:01 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85709&oldid=85708 * PixelatedStarfish * (+20) /* Goblins Operation Example */
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03:34:52 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85712&oldid=85711 * PixelatedStarfish * (+15) /* A note on Goblins */
04:01:50 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85713&oldid=85712 * PixelatedStarfish * (+122) /* A note on the Goblins Operation */
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12:34:01 <b_jonas> `? Galactic Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
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12:34:08 <HackEso> Galactic Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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13:33:44 <nakilon> I've no idea how this works https://github.com/mxgmn/WaveFunctionCollapse
13:33:55 <nakilon> but I made an own wheel
13:35:11 <nakilon> https://imgur.com/a/Z0NHj9I
13:35:26 <nakilon> how gonna try on larger input and more colors
13:36:21 <nakilon> oh and it started with black top left pixel, let's see what if I start with white...
13:36:54 <nakilon> wow https://i.imgur.com/cJGNKkz.png
13:38:05 <nakilon> it is a bit nondetirmitistic, so https://i.imgur.com/3zc7w2q.png
13:38:49 <nakilon> https://i.imgur.com/wge0yBn.png
13:41:16 <nakilon> https://i.imgur.com/t2kcPYb.png
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14:10:11 <arseniiv> nakilon: I reckon it mostly goes TL→DR? looks like that
14:10:46 <nakilon> too long didn't read? ))
14:11:10 <nakilon> yes I start in the top left corner and then it decides how to grow until filled
14:13:11 <nakilon> https://i.imgur.com/xpYNbHV.png ; then I realised by hsv color distance formula is wrong because it's for hsl, rewriting right now
14:13:11 <int-e> arseniiv: yes, "too long" causes "didn't read"
14:14:06 <int-e> huh, what am I looking at?
14:21:09 <arseniiv> I meant top-left down-right but the usual meaning is appropritate too :D
14:21:56 <int-e> arseniiv: "bottom right" is more common, I think
14:22:34 <arseniiv> int-e: ah, that’s the issue indeed
14:22:37 <int-e> There are two pairs: up,down and top,bottom
14:22:49 <int-e> Mixing them is unusual.
14:23:31 <int-e> Except in top-down and bottom-up software design... because up/down are directions and top/bottom are places to start.
14:24:26 <int-e> English is downright crazy though so this a mere guideline.
14:26:08 <int-e> fwiw, I was curious about the rules that governed those images (some sort of probabilistic CA maybe?)
14:26:29 <esolangs> [[User:Skelozard]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85715 * Skelozard * (+63) Created page with "Hi, I'm Skelozard and I've made an interpreter for PokBattle."
14:27:04 <int-e> I suppose there's context further up, but I'm too lazy to figure out where to look.
14:27:32 <nakilon> https://i.imgur.com/NTxSOsQ.png ; https://i.imgur.com/dgcw7pL.png
14:29:14 <nakilon> this one was probably drawn deterministically, at least it drew the same three times in a raw
14:29:21 <nakilon> I wish I knew how to make a gif
14:29:33 <nakilon> *row
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14:57:32 <arseniiv> <int-e> Except in top-down and bottom-up software design... because up/down are directions and top/bottom are places to start. => that’s my understanding too
15:00:31 <oerjan> `? tldr
15:00:34 <HackEso> tldr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
15:00:40 <oerjan> `? tl;dr
15:00:42 <HackEso> tl;dr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
15:01:44 <oerjan> `learn tldr means (from) top left (to) down right, signifying that you've read a document all the way through.
15:01:47 <HackEso> Learned 'tldr': tldr means (from) top left (to) down right, signifying that you've read a document all the way through.
15:01:49 <int-e> . o O ( Too long; didn't... Cat! )
15:03:06 <nakilon> yay https://i.imgur.com/XJ7XdO7.mp4
15:04:39 <int-e> `? drone
15:04:41 <HackEso> Drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times.
15:05:51 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85716&oldid=85713 * PixelatedStarfish * (-23)
15:06:18 <nakilon> I can run your image input, 4x4 RGB or HSV in format: [[123, 123, 123], ...], [..], [...], [...]]
15:09:14 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85717&oldid=85716 * PixelatedStarfish * (+11) /* A note on the Goblins Operation */
15:10:14 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85718&oldid=85717 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* Goblins Operation Example */
15:11:20 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85719&oldid=85718 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* Goblins Operation Example */
15:15:54 <nakilon> meh, it works for these small abstract things but not for more flat images like what I wanted to feed it initially https://i.imgur.com/ujSsTiF.png
15:16:00 <nakilon> gotta change something
15:17:07 <int-e> oh no... https://blog.davetcode.co.uk/post/21st-century-emulator/
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15:28:29 <nakilon> he could use built-in webrick instead of pulling it the sinatra gem
15:29:36 <nakilon> would be several times faster
15:29:55 <nakilon> whatever this insanity is, lol
15:33:31 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85720&oldid=85719 * PixelatedStarfish * (+12) /* Pointer operations */
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16:03:12 <nakilon> ok it still does not work and I broke it ..( https://i.imgur.com/cX7tIHz.mp4
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16:27:07 <b_jonas> also, re previous question of no javascript "what is my IP address", http://ip6.me/ seems to work
16:36:43 <nakilon> https://i.imgur.com/1Ek3KlA.mp4
16:37:22 <esolangs> [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85722&oldid=57348 * Skelozard * (+16)
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16:49:41 <esolangs> [[O]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85726&oldid=81995 * Tape * (+1) /* # */
16:49:53 <nakilon> https://i.imgur.com/2McBstm.png
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16:59:55 <nakilon> no neural networks craps, 90 lines of pure ruby and several seconds of CPU time https://i.imgur.com/tIoACIZ.png
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17:05:16 <riv> well done
17:08:47 <b_jonas> \ruby system %q(curl -sS http://ip6only.me/api/); # ok, so it does have ipv6 connectivity
17:08:50 <velik> /tmp/code:1: syntax error, unexpected end-of-input, expecting ')'"VHlt_hZi88Gz"
17:09:03 <b_jonas> ?
17:09:23 <b_jonas> \ruby system %q(curl -sS http://ip6only.me/api/); # ok, so it does have ipv6 connectivity
17:09:32 <velik> thread error
17:09:40 <b_jonas> nakilon: ^ it looks like it's confusing multiple commands or something
17:09:44 <b_jonas> \ruby system %q(curl -sS http://ip6only.me/api/);
17:09:48 <velik> IPv6,2600:1900:2000:1b:400::14,Remaining fields reserved for future use,,,
17:10:29 <b_jonas> \ruby system %q(curl -sS http://ip4only.me/api/);
17:10:34 <velik> IPv4,107.178.232.248,Remaining fields reserved for future use,,,
17:30:35 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85727&oldid=85721 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* A note on the Goblins Operation */
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19:53:57 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Booleancoercion * New user account
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20:34:57 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85749&oldid=85660 * CarterNotSteve * (+11) /* S */
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02:10:52 <nakilon> did another approach but it's much slower ( https://i.imgur.com/uMvEce9.png
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05:01:04 <nakilon> https://i.imgur.com/vqjmZFl.mp4
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08:44:49 <Taneb> Hmm, is the infinite variant of Lagrange's group theory theorem equivalent to the axiom of choice?
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08:49:38 <Corbin> It feels like it. It seems plausible that Lagrange's theorem requires LEM (which implies AOC) just to choose equivalence classes and take subgroups, but I'm not sure. The other direction seems easy enough.
09:09:15 <int-e> "LEM (which implies AOC)"... no
09:10:52 <Taneb> Yeah, AOC => LEM but not the other way around, I'm pretty sure
09:15:02 <int-e> I'm trying to remember how AOC implies LEM. Ah, you can let A = {0 | P} u {1 | ~P}, prove that A != {}, and then AOC picks an element of the sole element of X = {A} and that'll tell you which of P or ~P is true.
09:16:31 <int-e> So it seems to be a quirk of encoding emptiness as {} \notin X rather than the positive assertion that forall A in X, exists a in A, true
09:17:09 <int-e> err, encoding the fact that the sets in X are non-empty
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09:20:25 <Taneb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaconescu%27s_theorem I think
09:21:08 <Corbin> You're entirely correct.
09:26:07 <int-e> Ah, that's a bit more clever... we *can* exhibit elements of U and V there, so it's not just an encoding quirk.
09:26:35 <int-e> Taneb: thanks
09:28:11 <shachaf> I heard about the axiom of global choice recently. What a great axiom.
09:30:20 <int-e> what's next? epsilon calculus?
09:31:34 <shachaf> Ah, I hadn't heard of that either.
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09:32:09 <shachaf> This epsilon thing is slightly reminiscent of "seemingly impossible programs".
09:32:45 <shachaf> Where the find operator also takes a predicate and returns a value that satisfies it, if it exists, or otherwise an unspecified value.
09:32:54 <shachaf> And exists and forall are implemented the same way.
09:34:16 <shachaf> Maybe this epsilon thing works well in some sort of compactness-related context.
09:34:36 <shachaf> Hmm, I still don't really know what the computational content of compactness is, in that sort of context.
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16:25:15 <nakilon> https://i.imgur.com/y3Tg3oj.png ; https://i.imgur.com/O5sSCPR.mp4
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18:10:24 <nakilon> heh, while small objects like this crater go well https://i.imgur.com/pHR2Fse.png
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18:10:49 <nakilon> this one does not ( https://i.imgur.com/NfwEnKO.png
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18:11:47 <nakilon> oh
18:12:17 <nakilon> I imagine I could generate the image on lower resolution and then recursively go 2 times higher
18:12:32 <nakilon> but it's too complex compared to current state
18:17:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85787&oldid=77361 * Flyingmadpakke * (+1507)
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18:53:53 <esolangs> [[DROL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85789&oldid=81673 * LegionMammal978 * (+10) /* External Links */ fix links
18:58:44 <nakilon> I guess I'll stop on this for now
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19:12:21 <esolangs> [[Shove]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85791&oldid=44005 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (-13) fix spacing of and un-preformat the space instruction
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19:25:03 <esolangs> [[Muddle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85793&oldid=77988 * LegionMammal978 * (+8) /* Interpreter */ fix links
19:27:38 <imode> is the singingbanana on the esowiki the same singingbanana that does the numberphile videos?
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20:45:55 <riv> https://medium.com/@benjamin.botto/implementing-an-optimal-rubiks-cube-solver-using-korf-s-algorithm-bf750b332cf9
20:45:59 <riv> look at he use of lehmer codes
20:46:07 <riv> https://medium.com/@benjamin.botto/sequentially-indexing-permutations-a-linear-algorithm-for-computing-lexicographic-rank-a22220ffd6e3
20:46:11 <riv> sorry for medium links
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22:47:00 <esolangs> [[Shove]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85813&oldid=85791 * Ais523 * (+39) perhaps this is the best way to make the space-in-code-formatting show up?
22:48:37 <esolangs> [[Shove]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85814&oldid=85813 * Ais523 * (+25) add a category
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2021-07-07
00:07:47 <nakilon> this morning: 🌘
00:08:09 * nakilon discovered that there are unicode characters for all phases
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00:28:45 <keegan> unicode: the first uncountably infinite character set?
00:33:57 <pikhq> idk, even if you allow for composing, i feel like the spec only gets you to countably infinite
00:45:36 <cd> yea i think at best unicode is countably infinite
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01:02:32 <fizzie> But, all the phases.
01:03:01 <fizzie> (Just an excuse to try out italics. Didn't render in the terminal. Did in the Matrix client, though.)
01:03:16 <pikhq> works in my client
01:05:57 <zzo38> No italics on my computer, although the formatting code is displayed.
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01:11:48 <nakilon> rendered in thelounge
01:13:25 <nakilon> also this says my terminal can italic https://stackoverflow.com/a/3338028/322020 but I don't remember if I saw it anywhere, maybe during homebrew installs
01:14:36 <nakilon> can't find a way to start a detached screen session that would not vanish if the script in it fails
01:27:59 <fizzie> nakilon: It's a little inelegant, but `screen -S testing -d -m; screen -S testing -X stuff "/bin/false\n"` worked for me to create a detached screen session with a shell in it, into which had been typed /bin/false, which had (obviously) failed but since it was in a shell the session was left to stay around.
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01:41:41 <fizzie> nakilon: Oh, I guess another alternative is something like: `screen -S testing -d -m /bin/bash -c '/your/script; exec bash'` -- as in, in the screen session, run a shell that runs your script and then unconditionally exec's a new interactive shell to keep hold of the screen session. There's probably other ways to convince bash to do "do X and then start acting like an interactive shell" that don't
01:41:47 <fizzie> involve exec'ing a new one.
01:49:59 <esolangs> [[Sed]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85815&oldid=80348 * LegionMammal978 * (+15) fix name
02:02:13 <nakilon> is "stuff" a special word or what?
02:03:07 <nakilon> also the -X to execute commands in existing screen like is someone's snippets didn't work at all
02:03:15 <nakilon> *like in
02:04:59 <fizzie> `stuff` is a command to write things as if they had been typed, yes. It worked for me.
02:05:01 <HackEso> stuff`? No such file or directory
02:05:19 <fizzie> Well, the other way involves no -X, anyway.
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11:02:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * LonelySpirit * New user account
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12:00:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Back * New user account
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12:28:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:Back]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85833 * Back * (+95) /* smile */ new section
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13:00:13 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85843&oldid=85812 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+13) /* T */ Techno, a year old today
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13:08:08 <esolangs> [[Smile]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85848 * Back * (+760) Created page with "== smile == '''smile''' invented by [[brainfuck]].It decomposes [] into two parts q p and < >. == Instruction set == Line : 00: instructions ,01Pointer 1,02Pointer 2....."
13:08:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:Back]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85849&oldid=85847 * Back * (-760) Blanked the page
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13:25:14 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85859&oldid=85858 * Dtuser1337 * (+143) /* Simple Turn-based Game */
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14:14:24 <Sgeo> `olist 1239
14:14:27 <HackEso> olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1239.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
14:15:08 <b_jonas> thanks HackEso
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15:55:09 <esolangs> [[RASEL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85862&oldid=84924 * Nakilon * (+862) moved in the AoC example from Github; reordered the instructions table
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16:00:39 <nakilon> oops, the change comment is wrong, lol, I moved another part of README
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16:20:24 <nakilon> so I finally adapted the AoC example to the swapn operator version
16:21:11 <nakilon> and shortened the check "== 2020" so it's now done differently in my version and fizzie's
16:21:44 <nakilon> I' not sure but it's probably somewhere here in Befunge '-:*5--
16:23:10 <nakilon> while I divided the number by 20 and checked if it's 101 like this K/"e"-:/
16:49:45 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85863&oldid=85630 * Flyingmadpakke * (+664) /* brainfuck */
16:59:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85864&oldid=85816 * Flyingmadpakke * (+293) /* Using integer overflow for a compact 18 bytes Truth-machine in Brainfuck? */
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17:31:52 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Ogu]] to [[Og]]: fix title
17:34:46 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85867&oldid=85861 * Dtuser1337 * (+2040) /* Simple Turn-based Game */
17:36:08 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85868&oldid=85867 * Dtuser1337 * (-3) /* Simple Turn-based Game */
17:39:03 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85869&oldid=85868 * Dtuser1337 * (+15) /* Simple Turn-based Game */
17:42:20 <fizzie> Yeah, the '-:*5-- is x-(45*45-5), using the closest square to 2020 (45² = 2025) to get there.
17:42:27 <fizzie> If you don't mind control characters in your source, 'e'*- (via 101*20) would have been shorter by one I guess.
17:45:11 <fizzie> Also potential space savings from the w instruction (that I never remember about), which pops two values, compares them, and then turns left, goes straight or turns right, depending on whether one is greater than, equal to, or less than the other. But that depends a little on the surroundings.
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17:47:23 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Airline food]] to [[Airline Food]]: fix title
17:47:23 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Talk:Airline food]] to [[Talk:Airline Food]]: fix title
17:50:27 * nakilon did the second try to write prime numbers generator and again right in the middle forgot how the code works
17:50:48 <nakilon> when your code is 3::\:?v:3\:2\%
17:50:56 <nakilon> and the stack is 3 3 2 3 0 0 0
17:51:15 <nakilon> all these 2 and 3 just make no sense ( I need IDE very much
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18:37:52 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Ss]] to [[SS (CatLooks)]]: fix title
18:41:43 <nakilon> oh finally 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23 29 31 37 41 43 47 53 59 61 67 71 73 79 83 89 97 101 103
18:45:15 <riv> yay!
18:45:17 <nakilon> 10 seconds to reach prime number 4409
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19:00:41 <nakilon> the automatic closing the "stale issues" is a cancer automation that shoyld be prohibited
19:01:42 <nakilon> here people asked to make it possible to make github count stats of your defined language if it's unknown to github-linguist https://github.com/github/linguist/issues/4435
19:01:52 <nakilon> but it got closed just because no one commented it for a while
19:03:00 <nakilon> and while the automation exists I'm pretty sure there is no workflow explanation if it's possible to reopen so the dude who got his issue closed doesn't reopen it
19:03:31 <nakilon> this stupid shit is probably invented by "effective managers" who just duplicate issues on daily basis and this is one of the way to duplicate them
19:05:56 <esolangs> [[A345120268A9]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85877&oldid=82714 * LegionMammal978 * (-5) /* Interpreter */ fix link
19:08:46 <esolangs> [[RASEL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85878&oldid=85862 * Nakilon * (+139) /* Examples */ prime numbers generator
19:37:01 <esolangs> [[Nya~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85879&oldid=83076 * LegionMammal978 * (+14) fix title
19:40:58 <riv> https://twitter.com/hashtag/CLIP I find this AI generated images based on a text prompt very interesting
19:41:06 <riv> what do you think about this?
19:51:06 <esolangs> [[I-ok]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85880&oldid=83222 * LegionMammal978 * (+15) fix title
19:53:54 <esolangs> [[User talk:Hyperdawg]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85881 * LegionMammal978 * (+234) Created page with "You mention in [[Whopper]] that you created an interpreter in under 100 lines of Python; could you please upload that code? Thanks! ~~~~"
20:13:14 <nakilon> nightmare fuel ..D
20:23:12 <riv> ture
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22:28:46 <nakilon> https://www.reddit.com/user/yangwenli1/m/mapswithout/
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23:38:00 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85882&oldid=85863 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-18) /* brainfuck */ Simplify link
23:38:28 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85883&oldid=85882 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* brainfuck */ m
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03:10:43 <zzo38> This is one of my idea of a Magic: the Gathering card: Enchanted permanent is snow, legendary, ongoing, and basic.
03:11:03 <zzo38> (My "generalized ongoing" rule suppresses the state-based actions for phenomena and Sagas as well as schemes.)
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05:49:17 <zzo38> Do you like this?
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05:57:10 <nakilon> What was the codegolf website? Do they accept esolangs?
05:59:36 <zzo38> What codegolf website do you mean? There are a few, I think.
06:04:04 <nakilon> Found it
06:04:09 <nakilon> Shiny
06:04:15 <nakilon> *h
06:04:33 <nakilon> It says I should email to add a language
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07:07:59 <zzo38> Do you think that a /Environment resource category should be added into PostScript?
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11:04:18 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85902&oldid=85843 * AmNow * (+10) /* F */ added lang
11:11:13 <esolangs> [[F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85903&oldid=85900 * AmNow * (+0) fixed spelling mistake in categories
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11:41:21 <esolangs> [[BinaryBefunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85908&oldid=85907 * Dominicentek * (+5) /* Examples */
11:45:05 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85909&oldid=85832 * Tams Tams * (+220) /* Introductions */
11:48:27 <esolangs> [[Vyxal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85910&oldid=85905 * Tams Tams * (-1) Changed a not working link
11:50:16 <esolangs> [[Vyxal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85911&oldid=85910 * Tams Tams * (+0) Updated links
11:52:21 <esolangs> [[Vyxal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85912&oldid=85911 * Tams Tams * (+0) updated another link
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12:53:41 <b_jonas> nakilon: there are several codegolf websites
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17:08:35 <esolangs> [[SWING]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85925&oldid=85520 * LegionMammal978 * (+128) add links
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17:13:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:Graverage]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85928 * Aryantech123 * (+112) Created page with "==Making an interpreter== I am working on an interpreter. :[[User:Aryantech123|Aryantech123]] 17:12(UTC) 8/7/21"
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21:22:28 <esolangs> [[Graverage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85935&oldid=80687 * Aryantech123 * (+603) Added implementation
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21:24:29 <esolangs> [[XAH-libs]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85937 * Spargle * (+15) Created page with "= back to XAH ="
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21:44:15 <esolangs> [[XAH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85940&oldid=85939 * Spargle * (+1) /* A library-based language with 3 commands built into the standard library: */
21:45:35 <esolangs> [[XAH-libs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85941&oldid=85937 * Spargle * (+127) /* back to XAH */
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18:45:26 <nakilon> global warming is fake
18:49:14 <pikhq> [citation needed]
18:49:18 <esolangs> [[IGNORED]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85984&oldid=85981 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+65)
18:49:49 <riv> not as fake as the "corona" "virus"
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00:02:26 <nakilon> why global warming is fake
00:02:51 <nakilon> ^ I guess it's enough good search query for citations
00:03:50 <keegan> earth is flat
00:03:52 <keegan> google it
00:05:12 <nakilon> search results only give forum posts, no scientific proofs
00:08:04 <nakilon> wait, I need to clarify
00:08:32 <nakilon> the fake part of it is the "the greenhouse effect"
00:12:22 <keegan> "proofs" only exist in maths, not natural science
00:21:06 <nakilon> it was shown by dirlling and inspecting the ice that higher level of CO2 led to decrease of temerature, not increase
00:21:45 <nakilon> another detail is that water plays even much bigger role in the effect than CO2
00:23:45 <nakilon> so saying that our CO2 emission makes the earth warmer is nothing more than someone's economic interest propaganda
00:26:56 <nakilon> personally I pretty clearly see that the biggest threat to humanity isn't this stuff or even nuclear war but the level of illiteracy in the way how people are absolutely plain stupid to be able to fight an infectious pandemic
00:27:37 <nakilon> all our "scientific progress" is just nothing and does not make us stronger at all because masses are idiots
00:29:08 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86016&oldid=85658 * Rphii * (-900) /* Examples */ update examples
00:30:15 <nakilon> another thread would be a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-Earth_supernova but it's nothing we can do about it
00:30:25 <nakilon> *threat
00:33:12 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86017&oldid=86016 * Rphii * (+192) /* Input */ fix
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00:34:16 <keegan> it's funny because here the people who think global warming is fake are also the ones who think covid is fake and refuse to wear a mask or get vaccinated
00:34:25 <int-e> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ice-core-data-help-solve/
00:34:57 <keegan> when the willfully ignorant start dying from delta variant covid while the rest of us are fine then i'm sure they'll have a conspiracy theory to explain that too
00:35:03 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86019&oldid=86018 * Rphii * (+103) add implementation github
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00:36:55 <keegan> basically anything that would require them to change their lifestyle even a tiny bit is fake
00:36:59 <keegan> people are so fucking entitled
00:44:37 <nakilon> keegan people who instead of trying to listen to scientists only read their facebook feed can believe in any combination of things
00:44:46 <nakilon> even that earth is not flat
01:09:29 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86021&oldid=86020 * Rphii * (+50) /* Loop, else and invert */ LEAI
01:13:35 <keegan> i think the earth is actually a klein bottle
01:13:51 <keegan> if you keep walking north you eventually end up at the "south pole" but with left and right reversed
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01:21:49 <hendursaga> heh, or a toroid
01:22:26 <hendursaga> I've never met a Flat Earther who literally thought the Earth was flat, in the sense that, it had edges you'd fall off
01:34:09 <keegan> so what do they think
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14:10:03 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86033&oldid=85974 * Dtuser1337 * (+173)
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14:23:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:FlinnScrip]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86039 * Dtuser1337 * (+241) Created page with "==Need someone prove the computational class of this language i made== Can someone try to prove the computational class of my very own language i made?--~~~~"
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17:01:04 <esolangs> [[IG]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86047 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+819) Created page with "{{stub}} IG - Esoteric programing language by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08|ChuckEsoteric08]]. Language Named after 2 first commands that has been add. ==Commands== i - if STDIN is..."
17:06:26 <esolangs> [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86048&oldid=86046 * PixelatedStarfish * (+609) /* Instructions */
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17:32:54 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Algesuar * New user account
17:50:26 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86049&oldid=85968 * Algesuar * (+76) To visit my site search for the "HP41 Emulator Page"
17:51:18 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86050&oldid=86049 * Algesuar * (+0)
17:52:10 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86051&oldid=86050 * Algesuar * (+0)
17:56:40 <riv> int-e, regarding corners https://www.speedsolving.com/threads/restriction-games-with-the-cube-subgroups.79140/#post-1446921
17:58:05 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86052&oldid=86035 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+44)
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18:10:34 <riv> > [1..48] \\ [3,6,11,17,27,33,14,24,30,40,43,46]
18:10:36 <lambdabot> [1,2,4,5,7,8,9,10,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,25,26,28,29,31,32,34,35,36,3...
18:10:56 <riv> > [36..48] \\ [3,6,11,17,27,33,14,24,30,40,43,46]
18:10:57 <lambdabot> [36,37,38,39,41,42,44,45,47,48]
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18:16:32 <b_jonas> ] ']',~'[',}.;(',',":)&.> (>:i.48)-. 3 6 11 17 27 33 14 24 30 40 43 46
18:16:42 <b_jonas> [ ']',~'[',}.;(',',":)&.> (>:i.48)-. 3 6 11 17 27 33 14 24 30 40 43 46
18:16:42 <j-bot> b_jonas: [1,2,4,5,7,8,9,10,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,25,26,28,29,31,32,34,35,36,37,38,39,41,42,44,45,47,48]
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18:28:42 <int-e> riv: ah, associating opposite corners helps a lot
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20:37:49 <esolangs> [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86067&oldid=83002 * Digital Hunter * (+1983) /* Example programs */ added a set of finite loop demos, along with making a few changes to other sections as well
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21:15:16 <oerjan> nooooo fungot
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21:20:10 <fizzie> Oh, hmm.
21:20:41 <esolangs> [[Boxes]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86069 * Dominicentek * (+4267) Created page with "Boxes is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:Dominicentek]]. It's code is stored in several boxes which can be put anywhere in the source code. == Boxes == ===..."
21:21:57 <fizzie> Odd. It's allegedly still running.
21:22:06 <esolangs> [[Boxes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86070&oldid=86069 * Dominicentek * (+1) Fixed HTML error
21:22:48 <esolangs> [[Boxes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86071&oldid=86070 * Dominicentek * (+1) Fixed error in example code
21:22:57 <oerjan> netsplit?
21:23:14 <oerjan> those don't usually give that message, i think.
21:24:04 <fizzie> I upgraded a router kind of a thing on the way, that's probably why it initially dropped off. But it should've realized that and given up and restarted.
21:24:08 <esolangs> [[User:Dominicentek]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86072&oldid=86065 * Dominicentek * (-10)
21:24:46 <oerjan> aha
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21:27:18 <fizzie> Maybe there's some sort of a thing that it hangs up instead of exiting when the connection is lost. Or just takes a long time to time out, or something.
21:27:55 <fizzie> Because just doing `/etc/init.d/fungot restart` was sufficient to make it reconnect. (It still doesn't know how to autojoin channels, but one step at a time...)
21:27:55 <fungot> fizzie: spammers attack the community scheme wiki
21:28:17 <fizzie> fungot: That's terrible! But unsurprising.
21:28:17 <fungot> fizzie: aren't continuations garbage collected like anything else that consumes files here, do you? :) forgot?
21:29:53 <oerjan> fungot: recycling is omnipresent these days
21:29:53 <fungot> oerjan: i don't think a ,dump would help?:) i hate that change too.
21:30:14 <oerjan> fungot: indeed, dumps are greatly frowned upon.
21:30:14 <fungot> oerjan: how is look-for-header defined? procedure, you're doing something wrong
21:30:20 <fizzie> A bot with opinions™.
21:39:10 <int-e> semi-open tcp connections are nasty, lambdabot used to constantly suffer from those
21:41:44 <int-e> (The fix I settled on was to have lambdabot send its own pings...)
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22:02:23 <oerjan> @ping lambdabot
22:02:24 <lambdabot> pong
22:06:22 <fizzie> int-e: Yeah, that's a little hard to arrange in the fungot context though, because all the SOCK fingerprint gives me is a blocking read call with no timeouts.
22:06:22 <fungot> fizzie: just curious. i think i'll leave one of those people. 23:00 fnord): fnord, but conditionally fnord... could be
22:13:10 <int-e> fizzie: yeah I almost wrote that this would probably be harder in Befunge
22:15:00 <int-e> Hacking something with SO_KEEPALIVE and a much shorter tcp_keepalive_time might work?
22:15:32 <int-e> maybe the problem just isn't important enough...
22:16:03 <int-e> with lambdabot it was happening once a week; fungot seems to be less affected
22:16:03 <fungot> int-e: http://rune.krokodille.com/ lang/ logos.html!! also efrem zimbalist, either
22:18:51 <fizzie> Think I'll need to first fix that persisted ignore list and autojoin, otherwise it won't really make a difference.
22:19:10 <fizzie> Or else bring back the old "put a bouncer in front" setup I was using, I just don't wanna.
22:42:16 <b_jonas> "it should've realized that [it dropped] and given up and restarted" => ahahahah! in theory, jevalbot should realize when the connection breaks, at least a few minutes after when it doesn't get a ping. in practice, it prints a message that the connection got broken, but for some reason doesn't exit. I've given up trying to debug that even back when I even tried to maintain jevalbot.
22:50:27 <fizzie> Heh. Well, this one does actually quit if the R instruction reflects, by printing "IRC read failed." and hitting a @. Which does happen if the remote side closes the connection. But of course not if it breaks in the wrong way.
22:53:50 <b_jonas> "breaks in the wrong way" => I assume that's an occupational hazard for writing code in befunge
23:00:23 <int-e> b_jonas: this "wrong way" has nothing to do with befunge though
23:02:02 <int-e> It's just a quirk of TCP because of the design decision that TCP connections can stay open forever without any packets being sent whatsoever.
23:10:52 <b_jonas> int-e: yes, but that delays you by at most a few minutes, after that you can detect the broken connection from the higher level protocol, such as IRC in this case
23:11:24 <b_jonas> which is exactly how jevalbot detects a broken connection (in some cases at least), it just somehow prints a message and can't exit properly
23:12:39 <b_jonas> sure, it would be nice to detect broken connections earlier, but eventually on a non-realtime network you will have some delay, and it's not worth to optimize that delay too much
23:13:27 <fizzie> Ooh, the SOCK fingerprint's O instruction can in fact set SO_KEEPALIVE.
23:15:14 <fizzie> (It'd still be very slow, but at least it'd trip eventually even if I'm not around.)
23:17:35 <int-e> b_jonas: You can only do that if the higher level data protocol sends data from both sides.
23:17:40 <int-e> without being prompted
23:18:07 <int-e> b_jonas: Which, for a stupid IRC client, isn't necessarily the case.
23:18:25 <fizzie> fungot: How do you feel about being called stupid?
23:18:25 <fungot> fizzie: the weather doesn't help. :) it looks decent in firebird, btw
23:19:27 <int-e> I'd s/stupid/simple/ but I'm not sure that is an improvement :P
23:24:52 <nakilon> `? [
23:24:55 <HackEso> ​[? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
23:25:00 <nakilon> ah, j
23:30:11 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86075&oldid=86031 * Rphii * (+188) /* Examples */ add ascii table example
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23:46:20 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86077&oldid=86076 * Rphii * (-1) /* Variables */ grammar
23:58:48 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86078&oldid=86077 * Rphii * (+59) /* Input */ clarify
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03:29:44 <b_jonas> int-e: sure, you have to make sure your client does that
03:30:19 <b_jonas> fizzie: do you mean the SOCKS proxy of TCP? or some other SOCK
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03:33:35 <fizzie> SOCK is a Funge-98 fingerprint that does networking.
03:34:53 <esolangs> [[Brainfood]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86108 * PixelatedStarfish * (+14) Created page with "#REDIRECT [bf]"
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09:26:45 * nakilon is a bit moving from Stackdriver to RRDTools
09:27:35 <nakilon> https://i.imgur.com/Gmmunfo.png -- this took a lot of time to bring together
09:27:40 <nakilon> like few hours
09:28:50 <nakilon> then a bit of time to push the data to Datastore (GCP's NoSQL) and now gotta make a Cloud Run with https:// url that I would just visit and it will render this stuff
09:30:15 <nakilon> I'll lose some Stackdriver's features such as Alerting but I'm now not limited to their API that for example demands the "Resource" to be something of GCP or AWS while my server can be in fact anywhere else
09:32:15 <riv> i hope the graph gets more interesting
09:36:00 <nakilon> this one will be like this https://i.imgur.com/WFOfKy9.png and another one like this https://i.imgur.com/dUxsNZ1.png
09:38:12 <nakilon> and another problem (besides the stupid Resource id) it solves is that Stackdriver does not accept timeseries to the same metric older than the last that was already pushed
09:38:54 <nakilon> so I was unable to push to the same graph from two servers that have different time on them
09:40:37 <nakilon> while this is one is doing `.order("timestamp", :desc).limit(limit)` from the db
09:45:07 <shachaf> Man, the x86 shift instructions are a total mess.
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11:05:46 <nakilon> fffffffuuuuuuuuu librrd gem does not install on alpine
11:06:41 <nakilon> and I can't even really try different versions of alpine because the netpbm is only available in alpine:edge
11:07:01 <nakilon> and I need it to join PNGs into one
11:07:07 * nakilon sighs
11:07:45 <nakilon> I wish there was a way to know ahead if something will stop you after hours of building
11:09:19 <nakilon> I could try ubuntu though
11:13:26 <nakilon> oh no, I can't, because I use shell2http that is built only on alpine _--
11:33:27 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * CocaEric * New user account
11:38:04 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86128&oldid=86051 * CocaEric * (+105) /* Introductions */
11:39:01 <esolangs> [[User:CocaEric]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86129 * CocaEric * (+6) Created page with "Hello!"
11:45:30 <nakilon> okay Golang makes shell2http easily buildable on Debian Stretch, but I get the same error https://github.com/bernd/librrd-ruby/issues/6
11:45:42 <nakilon> linux-vs-nakilon score 1:0
11:47:51 <riv> nice!
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13:46:19 <esolangs> [[Hello++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86132&oldid=86055 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* Interpreter */ Typo
14:07:55 <esolangs> [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86133&oldid=86038 * Dtuser1337 * (+5) /* Truth-Machine */
14:30:48 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86134&oldid=86073 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+16) /* S */ Add Something
14:36:20 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * PixelatedStarfish * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Something.png]]"
14:36:44 <nakilon> $ gcloud run services get-iam-policy ...
14:36:44 <nakilon> ... etag: ACAB
14:36:47 <nakilon> _Oo
14:41:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] revert * PixelatedStarfish * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Something.png]]": Reverted to version as of 01:15, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
14:42:07 <esolangs> [[NUMBRS++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86137 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1146) Created page with "'''NUMBRS''' - Two-dimensional made in Scratch esolang by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08|ChuckEsotric08]]. This Esolang have this name because most of Commands in this language is nu..."
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14:48:34 <esolangs> [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86145&oldid=86133 * Dtuser1337 * (+303) /* HQ9+ shell */
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14:52:56 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86150&oldid=85615 * Dtuser1337 * (+305) /* Fishing */
14:53:14 <esolangs> [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86151&oldid=86119 * PixelatedStarfish * (+7) /* Links */
14:53:47 <esolangs> [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86152&oldid=86151 * PixelatedStarfish * (+16)
14:54:13 <esolangs> [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86153&oldid=86152 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) /* =Esolangs */
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17:43:43 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86174&oldid=86169 * PixelatedStarfish * (-39) /* Logic Gates */
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18:20:41 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * ArthroStar11 * New user account
18:32:23 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86175&oldid=86128 * ArthroStar11 * (+254) added my intro, hopefully I did it right
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20:47:59 <esolangs> [[DotSF]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86176 * ArthroStar11 * (+2435) created page and provided link to my interpreter
20:49:52 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86177&oldid=86134 * ArthroStar11 * (+12) Added my language "DostSF
21:27:19 <esolangs> [[User:ArthroStar11]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86178 * ArthroStar11 * (+149) Created page with "Hi, I am the creator of * DotSF ** [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1SOzu0wSfp2GrheIWAJ4GrzOGcIevpigb?usp=sharing My interpreter (C++ Source)]"
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23:43:44 <esolangs> [[Logic Gates]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86179&oldid=86173 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+32) External resources, wikilink, etc
23:53:53 <esolangs> [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86180&oldid=86067 * Digital Hunter * (-4) /* Roman numerals */ shorter. as it turns out, not caring about the mess on the stack helps keep code a little shorter
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01:37:10 <zzo38> Is there a internet language code to indicate a made up language in general (rather than a specific made up language)?
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03:21:48 <esolangs> [[Cheese]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86182&oldid=84433 * Sanscicondos * (+55) Added wheelstock to Functions list
03:24:07 <esolangs> [[Cheese]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86183&oldid=86182 * Sanscicondos * (+29) Added abbreviated titles to versions tab
03:26:48 <esolangs> [[Cheese]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86184&oldid=86183 * Sanscicondos * (+15) Reworked formatting of abbreviated versions
03:28:56 <esolangs> [[Cheese]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86185&oldid=86184 * Sanscicondos * (+22) Added correct version names to function list
03:43:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:Cheese]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86186&oldid=85779 * Sanscicondos * (+1384) /* Upcoming Features */ new section
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07:15:04 <zzo38> My idea of a compression format is that there is three kind of blocks, you can then put them in any sequence. The three kind of blocks are program blocks, stream blocks, and literal blocks; any of these blocks may optionally be huffed.
07:17:01 <zzo38> The program block contains VM codes. Execution stops when it requests input. The stream blocks contain input data for the VM code program; the execution then continues and may produce output, stopping again if the end of the stream block is reached. A literal block is just written directly to the output (after being unhuffed if needed).
07:17:09 <zzo38> Do you think it is good?
07:17:47 <keegan> sounds pretty good
07:17:51 <keegan> what kind of VM would you use?
07:18:29 <zzo38> I don't know, but probably some specialized instruction set for this purpose.
07:18:33 <keegan> any provisions to ensure progress/termination?
07:19:10 <keegan> if you have a new program block in the stream does it replace the old program? once all the preceding data has run out?
07:20:46 <zzo38> Yes, it would replace the old program once the preceding data has run out.
07:21:52 <zzo38> However, you could also have only overwriting parts of it, and without necessarily restarting it; for some kinds of compression algorithms this might help.
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08:05:49 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86187&oldid=86159 * Dtuser1337 * (+30) /* dotlang */
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08:08:24 <myname> https://briancallahan.net/blog/20210710.html
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08:12:23 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86189&oldid=86080 * Rphii * (+33) /* Initialization */
08:13:57 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86190&oldid=86189 * Rphii * (+2) /* Initialization */
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09:26:39 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86191&oldid=86190 * Rphii * (+302) add infobox
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11:00:30 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86193&oldid=86177 * Back * (+12) /* S */
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11:45:58 <esolangs> [[Smile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86199&oldid=86198 * Back * (+604)
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12:14:16 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86202&oldid=86191 * Rphii * (+133) /* Memory Bank */ add the previously hidden bank
12:19:46 <esolangs> [[Self-modifying Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86203&oldid=63517 * Back * (-5) /* Examples */
12:22:31 <esolangs> [[Self-modifying Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86204&oldid=86203 * Back * (+0) /* Language overview */
12:24:07 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86205&oldid=86202 * Rphii * (-133) Undo revision 86202 by [[Special:Contributions/Rphii|Rphii]] ([[User talk:Rphii|talk]])
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12:41:59 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86206&oldid=86205 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-9) Not a category
12:42:59 <esolangs> [[Smile]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86207&oldid=86201 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+38) Cat
12:45:11 <esolangs> [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86208&oldid=86206 * Rphii * (+337) /* Loop, else and invert */ fix explanation
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14:25:54 <esolangs> [[Self-modifying Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86209&oldid=86204 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+28) /* External resources */ Tar
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15:22:00 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Queereen * New user account
16:00:43 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86210&oldid=86174 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */
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19:26:06 <esolangs> [[INF)xO]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86211 * AmNow * (+1630) Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=INF>xO}} INF>xO is an esoteric programming language made by [[User:AmNow]]. INF>xO was made so that you can have infinite output without loops. == Commands..."
19:27:21 <esolangs> [[User:AmNow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86212&oldid=85901 * AmNow * (+38) added language
19:28:27 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86213&oldid=86193 * AmNow * (+20) added lang
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23:35:03 <esolangs> [[RHOVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86214&oldid=85777 * S1(210) * (-1) /* Output formatting */
23:36:34 <esolangs> [[RHOVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86215&oldid=86214 * S1(210) * (-172) /* Truth machine */
23:37:47 <esolangs> [[Self-modifying Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86216&oldid=86209 * Back * (-1) /* Examples */
23:40:03 <esolangs> [[RHOVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86217&oldid=86215 * S1(210) * (+46) /* Output formatting */
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23:43:20 <esolangs> [[RHOVL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86219&oldid=86218 * S1(210) * (+3) /* For and while loops */
23:45:43 <esolangs> [[RHOVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86220&oldid=86219 * S1(210) * (+84)
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02:18:15 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86223&oldid=86222 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1)
02:20:40 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86224&oldid=86223 * PixelatedStarfish * (-45) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */
02:22:15 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86225&oldid=86224 * PixelatedStarfish * (+11) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */
02:26:01 <esolangs> [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86226&oldid=86225 * PixelatedStarfish * (+55) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */
02:27:35 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dtuser1337]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86227&oldid=86221 * ArthroStar11 * (+892)
02:28:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dtuser1337]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86228&oldid=86227 * ArthroStar11 * (+1) made update block more readable
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05:46:19 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dtuser1337]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86231&oldid=86228 * ArthroStar11 * (+767)
05:51:50 <esolangs> [[BrainfisHQ9+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86232&oldid=73359 * ArthroStar11 * (+170) Provided link to my implementation and clarified compatibility
05:54:51 <esolangs> [[User:ArthroStar11]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86233&oldid=86181 * ArthroStar11 * (+200)
06:17:39 <esolangs> [[Minim]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86234&oldid=86230 * KakkoiiChris * (+138) Added year of creation, and a example program that illustrates using system function calls
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10:42:15 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Seanbox * New user account
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13:01:31 <esolangs> [[Boxes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86239&oldid=86130 * Not applicable * (-39) Remove 2D category this isn't really a 2D language
13:02:46 <fizzie> What is it with people and not indenting C code at all.
13:05:05 <myname> still better than wrong indentation
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13:15:41 <nakilon> *esoteric indentation
13:18:09 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86240&oldid=86238 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+868) /* External Resources */
13:18:29 <myname> backwards indentation
13:24:39 <esolangs> [[ight]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86241&oldid=75169 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+132) Categorize
13:25:44 <esolangs> [[ight]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86242&oldid=86241 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-10) Fix
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21:19:59 <esolangs> [[Boxes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86247&oldid=86239 * Dominicentek * (+17) /* Instructions */
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22:22:09 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86248&oldid=86175 * Dlol * (+187) /* Introductions */
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01:13:19 <fizzie> Oog, what's happened to VS code's integrated terminal's font rendering? The letter positioning's gone all wonky. https://zem.fi/tmp/uu.png
01:13:24 <fizzie> It's like one of those ransom notices made from newspaper cuttings.
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01:14:09 <Hooloovoo> have you tried turning it off and back on again?
01:14:24 <fizzie> I did, though for an unrelated reason.
01:14:45 <Hooloovoo> I think I've seen things like that (on linux) when fonts/font rendering packages have upgraded
01:15:31 <fizzie> Also, when it's rendering red text, it's all right. It's only white text that's problematic.
01:16:24 <fizzie> In fact, explicitly white text is also fine. It's just the terminal's default colour that's off.
01:17:05 <fizzie> Maybe some sort of a hinting/subpixel thing that's disabled for coloured text.
01:18:29 <fizzie> I'd like it to use the same (bitmap) font I use everywhere else, anyway, I just haven't figured out how to refer to it.
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04:50:03 <zzo38> I have had problems getting some programs to use bitmap fonts in at least some cases, especially ones based on GTK. However, btmap fonts will sometimes work for some things in the program, but not others. (There are other things I also dislike about GTK; I think there are many problems with it.)
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06:47:33 <zzo38> Do you have PostScript font and encoding vector for PC character set?
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07:44:45 <esolangs> [[Annihilator]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86250&oldid=74032 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+0) /* I/O extension */ this thus
07:52:21 <nakilon> isn't vscode an html+css?
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07:54:16 <riv> it's good
07:54:26 <riv> I use vs code
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08:04:53 <nakilon> it has an input lag
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08:28:59 <esolangs> [[User:OrichalcumCosmonaut]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86251 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+292) Create user page (although mediawiki doesnt seem to like gemini:// links -_-)
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09:44:46 <fizzie> Yes, it's an Electron app, meaning using the Chromium renderer to wrap a webby thing. Still been giving it a chance recently. Hasn't felt noticeably laggy. From some poking around, sounds like not liking bitmap fonts could be a Chromium limitation maybe. The font's known by fontconfig, which is a good start, but it is also in the BDF format; not sure if it'd work any better if converted to
09:44:48 <fizzie> something more modern.
09:49:31 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86252&oldid=84687 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+1298) /* Add gemini:// to the recognised URI schemes */ new section
10:03:35 <esolangs> [[User:OrichalcumCosmonaut]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86253&oldid=86251 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+0) gemini Gemini
10:20:42 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86254&oldid=86252 * Fizzie * (+165) /* Add gemini:// to the recognised URI schemes */ Sure, why not.
10:45:30 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86255&oldid=86254 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+233) /* Add gemini:// to the recognised URI schemes */ saying thanks
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11:44:00 <esolangs> [[INF)xO]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86256&oldid=86211 * AmNow * (-1) example fix
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13:22:14 <Sgeo> `olist 1240
13:22:16 <HackEso> olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1240.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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16:17:21 <wib_jonas> fungot, how deterministic are your implementations of set operations with respect to side effects of the hashing or comparison functions of the contained data types?
16:17:21 <fungot> wib_jonas: i'll probably ask you; i'd pick up a book on how to do
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16:17:47 <wib_jonas> why, thank you
16:19:09 <fizzie> A book on how to ask wib_jonas things.
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16:23:54 <wib_jonas> yeah, that's hard. even my family hasn't mastered it.
16:27:21 <esolangs> [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86257&oldid=86180 * Digital Hunter * (+1894) /* Example programs */ added a not-very-cheaty quine program
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17:04:35 <esolangs> [[Minim]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86258&oldid=86234 * KakkoiiChris * (+3512) Added syntax highlighting to the Hello World example program
17:40:43 <esolangs> [[Minim]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86259&oldid=86258 * KakkoiiChris * (+94) Filling out 'Values' subsection
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18:07:37 <b_jonas> ah good, we have #esolangs-blah now as the new version of freenode/#esoteric-blah
18:11:07 <b_jonas> you know about a floppy disk used as the save icon in software UIs, right. and you know how there are these antivirus softwares that use a shield icon to mean "you are protected". so I have two questions. 1. will those antivirus software now replace that icon with a facemask? and 2. what is the UI metaphor that is obsolete by the longest time? besides shields, arrows are another candidate.
18:13:59 <b_jonas> shields are also used as an icon for the toughness and loyalty stats on M:tG cards, but at least that's set in one of those mediaeval fantasy universes where guns haven't obsoleted human-powered weapons yet
18:21:51 <esolangs> [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86260&oldid=78163 * Rdococ * (-492)
18:22:17 <esolangs> [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86261&oldid=86260 * Rdococ * (+37)
18:26:40 <b_jonas> `? #esoteric-blah
18:26:42 <HackEso> ​#esoteric-blah blah blah. Blah blah, blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah!
18:26:46 <riv> lol
18:29:26 <esolangs> [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86262&oldid=86261 * Rdococ * (+281)
18:34:15 <esolangs> [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86263&oldid=86262 * Rdococ * (+2) /* Computational class */
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18:40:02 <esolangs> [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86264&oldid=86263 * Rdococ * (-20) /* Computational class */
18:50:27 <esolangs> [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86265&oldid=86264 * Rdococ * (+44) /* Computational class */
18:55:42 <fizzie> Hmm, did I make HackEso join #esolangs-blah? I think I remember updating that when replicating the setup.
19:00:07 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86266&oldid=84490 * Rdococ * (-111) /* Related languages */ removed mindscrew
19:00:31 <riv> HackEso: Join #esolangs-blah
19:00:40 <riv> there, he is joined now
19:06:22 <Sgeo> The ZOWIE documentation has a typo
19:06:23 <Sgeo> "When a value is written into R7, the boolean negation of that value is written into R7: 1 if the value was 0, and 0 otherwise. Reading from R7 always offers the value 7.
19:06:24 <Sgeo> "
19:06:39 <Sgeo> I think it should be "written into R8". R7 doesn't make sense there
19:06:43 <Sgeo> https://catseye.tc/view/ZOWIE/README.markdown
19:17:16 <keegan> b_jonas: shields are still used in combat
19:17:20 <keegan> haven't you ever been to a riot?
19:18:56 <keegan> here both the police and protesters/rioters use infantry formation and shield wall tactics
19:19:27 <keegan> also bows and arrows are not obsolete, they're commonly used for hunting still
19:19:33 <keegan> and for sport
19:21:33 <fizzie> I hear the city back home had hired some bowmen to cull the city-rabbit population a little.
19:21:55 <fizzie> Think they're feeling a little more comfortable with bows and arrows than firearms within the city limits.
19:32:17 <fizzie> On the topic of bitmap fonts, I replaced the BDF files with .otb files (that SFNT-based bitmap thing), and while they seem to work the same here in rxvt-unicode (and fontconfig-based tools in general), they're still not showing up in Chrome (and presumably VS Code). :/ Not sure how to debug that. Maybe I need to try Chromium and then poke around in the code.
19:35:58 <esolangs> [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86267&oldid=86265 * Rdococ * (+14) /* Computational class */
19:36:07 <esolangs> [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86268&oldid=86267 * Rdococ * (+0) /* Computational class */
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19:56:31 <b_jonas> keegan: they're not completely obsolete, sure\
19:56:37 <b_jonas> just mostly
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20:19:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Rdococ * moved [[Zeno]] to [[Zeno (Archived)]]
20:19:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Rdococ * moved [[Talk:Zeno]] to [[Talk:Zeno (Archived)]]
20:19:38 <esolangs> [[Zeno (Archived)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86273&oldid=86269 * Rdococ * (-19)
20:19:51 <esolangs> [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86274&oldid=86063 * Rdococ * (-67)
20:32:26 <esolangs> [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86275&oldid=86257 * Digital Hunter * (+65) /* Quine */ a shorter one
20:35:46 <fizzie> Aw. The font in question works in Firefox, but not in Chromium or Chrome. So I guess it's definitely the browser to blame then.
20:37:37 <esolangs> [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86276&oldid=86275 * Digital Hunter * (-715) /* Quine */ that revision's comment was wrong, but I forgot what the procedure for dealing with that is. Instead, I just put an actual shorter one here
20:40:40 <esolangs> [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86277&oldid=86276 * Digital Hunter * (+3) /* Finite loop */
20:42:07 <esolangs> [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86278&oldid=86277 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Finite loop */
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21:27:58 <fizzie> Hmm. I think it might boil down to https://codereview.chromium.org/401303002 "Require that FC_SCALABLE is true in Fontconfig queries (matching Blink) --", but attempting to build a copy of Chromium to confirm that feels overwhelming. Especially since I don't really care whether it will work in a browser or not.
21:28:14 <fizzie> Maybe there's a fontconfig way of just forcing it to treat it as a scalable font.
21:31:38 <fizzie> Okay, there is (at least, it makes `fc-match -v` report it as "scalable: True(w)"), but it's not sufficient to make it start to actually work.
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21:36:35 <esolangs> [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86279&oldid=86278 * Digital Hunter * (+4) /* Quine */
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22:40:47 <nakilon> I wonder how long does it take chromium to compile today
22:40:55 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Xorol * New user account
22:41:25 <nakilon> was 2,5h on a server in 2013, on previous engine
22:42:05 <nakilon> btw, guys, people from all different countries
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22:47:37 <nakilon> the USSR was a home for many many different nations, that were very different in culture, religion, level of education, etc.; some of difficult nations are living around Caucasus Mountains; to survive in WW2 Stalin was applying different preventive measures of migration
22:49:45 <nakilon> such as sending the criminals to the east, far from the border where the war is going to come to; also he decided to send out some whole nations because they mostly were pretty much unreliable and could even become a nazi collaborationsists
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22:52:38 <nakilon> so among the nations that were massively forcefully migrated there were Chechens -- those people live without law, they just stab you in the back if they don't like you, they lived in those mountains, and when the war was over and they had to come back...
22:55:52 <nakilon> someone fucked up this process and decades after that several small nations there started arguing about the territory, and they are used to solve the problems only via a fight; that's how the Chechen war started when Russia decided to intervent 'since it was it's subrepublic or something like that
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23:03:50 <nakilon> Chechens started making terroristic acts in Russia, blowing up buildings, metro, cinema, etc.; they wear a specific kind of beard to mak people know that "we are Chechens, we are above the law", they don't attend the university because teaching and working hard is against their culture, etc.
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23:06:16 <nakilon> I tell this because I know you don't know it, and when people hear about Chechen problem in Russia they don't really understand what it is and make some wrong parallels with other countries and their problems
23:12:35 <nakilon> the thing is that the Chechen war is over, the terroristic organizations are wiped out by Putin but Moscow and some other big cities are full of Chechens and they all do criminal; they are about 10% of population on streets, and they are above the law
23:14:51 <nakilon> since they don't study and absolutely can't behave they only earn money from crime and sometimes working at stores; and for example, today one such Chechen store worker attacked me, tried to push me out of store and beat me up
23:16:06 <nakilon> the thing is that if that was a Russian guy people would call the police and he would pay for that, but Chechens are allowed to do that; no one called police and even if police comes, they just get bribed and that's it
23:16:23 <oerjan> nakilon: i know there were chechen terrorists, i remember beslan which of course shocked me. however, as a westerner i am suspicious how much you know from personal knowledge and how much you believe because you believe putin propaganda. i don't believe _putin_ at all, of course. i figure any politician who suppresses opposotion or journalism should be considered guilty of all crimes by default.
23:16:39 <oerjan> *opposition
23:16:46 <nakilon> > how much you know from personal knowledge
23:16:48 <lambdabot> error:
23:16:48 <lambdabot> • Variable not in scope:
23:16:48 <lambdabot> how
23:16:53 <nakilon> I lieve among these people
23:18:02 <nakilon> I don't care how much bullshit you've being fed by your mass media
23:18:14 <oerjan> very good.
23:18:33 <nakilon> I just wanted to ask if there are similar national minorities in other countries that are above the law
23:19:29 <oerjan> i actually started reading a lot less news about early 2016 (which in retrospect seems the perfect time to have done so)
23:20:01 <nakilon> try reading sources instead of news
23:20:04 <nakilon> maybe ask locals
23:20:23 <nakilon> and not emigrants or neonazis
23:22:21 <oerjan> i don't think there are many chechens in norway, which may be fortunate
23:22:43 <oerjan> and i don't recall any minority that's above the law here.
23:23:49 <oerjan> ...i just realize my first message did exactly what i accused you of possibly doing. sorry.
23:24:10 <oerjan> that's how reality bubbles work, i guess.
23:24:31 <nakilon> I'm used to russophobia in all its forms
23:24:45 <nakilon> one of them is demonizing the %current_presider/leader%
23:24:52 <nakilon> *nt
23:25:47 <oerjan> i admit that is one of my prejudices against russians, you're _horrible_ at getting good leaders.
23:25:58 <esolangs> [[Versert]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86281&oldid=19010 * Back * (+1649)
23:26:20 <oerjan> of course there are many other countries who are competing at that
23:28:40 <oerjan> i used to think about a decade ago that the one thing china seemed to be getting right, was having strict time limits for leaders. and then Xi got them repealed...
23:28:55 <nakilon> I want call leaders bad who converted the (feodal?) Imperia to an absolutely organized multinational country being leader in many technologies in just 30 years
23:29:27 <nakilon> and no matter how much you read about "gulag" and stuff in fact I tell you that none of my family members were opressed, maybe because they just wre not criminals
23:29:36 <oerjan> (well the one pure political thing. they did get economy right too)
23:30:52 <nakilon> there are too many lies such as people were starving because of Stalin while in fact it was just bad harvest and it can happen anywhere
23:30:56 <nakilon> etc. etc.
23:31:23 <esolangs> [[Tock]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86282 * Silver * (+4041) page created
23:32:01 <nakilon> there is just a ton of fakes about china today too on reddit; people are literally made the website that calls itself a "homepage of internet" a place to spread hate towards two nations
23:32:31 <nakilon> https://imgur.com/a/i6FlRRa
23:32:37 * oerjan regrets getting into this conversation.
23:33:25 <nakilon> yeah my question wasn't about politics, it was just a historical explanation of a local culture problem
23:33:27 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86283&oldid=86213 * Silver * (+11) added link to Tock
23:33:59 <esolangs> [[User:Silver]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86284&oldid=71258 * Silver * (+11) added link to Tock
23:34:25 <oerjan> nakilon: that imgur is you trolling and someone taking the bait trolling back. i don't see how that proves anything.
23:34:58 <nakilon> I like Norway btw, it's beautiful from what I see on youtube
23:35:09 <oerjan> you were basically _asking_ for someone to do that.
23:36:01 <nakilon> and I've read about Norway immigration on wikiepdia -- it shows that numbers are growing fast while there are only like 4 millions of Norwegians, I'm very afraid about your country
23:36:56 <nakilon> oerjan that screenshot shows the hate comment and the reddit administration verdict that it isn't
23:37:34 <oerjan> oh i see. i should keep reading.
23:37:53 <nakilon> sry if I wasn't clear
23:38:32 <oerjan> well, i agree with the administration verdict because of the thing i said before reading it.
23:39:24 <oerjan> it was a joke in response to you basically claiming someone would want to do that.
23:40:17 <nakilon> oh really ..D
23:40:27 <esolangs> [[Versert]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86285&oldid=86281 * Back * (+1818)
23:44:06 <esolangs> [[Versert]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86286&oldid=86285 * Back * (+458)
23:52:42 <oerjan> nakilon: anyway in a higher perspective i think basically all humans are stuck believing things some things that are deeply wrong, whether they are norwegians, chechens, russians, chinese or americans (of either the trumpist or woke extreme, or in between), and that this causes them to misinterpret others who have _different_ sets of wrong beliefs. of course i cannot be sure what _my_ fundamentally
23:52:48 <oerjan> wrong beliefs are, but logically they must exist.
23:53:35 <oerjan> and also logically, i shouldn't necessarily trust others on what they are :P
23:53:45 <nakilon> I heard there is a trick how to know if some stuff is worth buying
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23:55:08 <nakilon> instead of reading the article written for money you read what people write, by adding "is shit" or "sucks", like google "iphone sucks" to find if there is somethuing untold about it
23:55:54 <nakilon> in case of articles about countries you don't live in just take a look what can be lied in the articles about them
23:55:57 <nakilon> it's trivial
23:56:48 <nakilon> once you find a hundreds of debunking you should understand "this media lies" and that's it"
23:57:12 <nakilon> if there are a hundred of lieing medias then "someone pays for it", etc.
23:58:52 <oerjan> i use the opposite trick of never buying anything hth
23:59:30 <nakilon> or just ask yourself why the hell Engilsh internet is producing tons of shit about Russian history 24/7 to feed it to their english readers, while no one in Russia produces shit about American history -- there is no point in it unless it's just your ultimate goal -- to grow a hate
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00:00:29 <nakilon> the whole topic of hate is just inappropriate in Russian mass media
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00:03:44 <nakilon> for eaxmple, I read the russophobia all over the reddit every day and sometimes in irc, but I can't remember any thread of hate about US in Russian most popular IT website for example -- it just makes no sense, we aren't interested in hate and don't spread it
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00:05:38 <nakilon> the was one stand up comic yet from soviet time, he died few years ago who was joking on americans, building his career on a funny storry teller about how "they are stupid and we are smart" -- just one single man on media and he already died
00:06:56 <imode> pretty sure the russophobia is due to the election stuff and the troll farms.
00:07:05 <oerjan> oh dear
00:07:12 <imode> stuff like that.
00:07:29 <imode> though that can enhance the already racist tendencies of individuals.
00:08:57 <nakilon> was funny to see those Biden votes graphs though
00:09:21 <nakilon> btw, Norway and... imode where are you from?
00:09:47 * oerjan would be surprised if imode isn't american
00:10:19 <nakilon> are your public service businesses have to have a special book where clients can write down all they think about the service and that book is regularly cheked by the government services?
00:10:21 <imode> hungarian in spirit, american in birth.
00:10:44 <imode> or I guess maybe nordic in spirit, according to how my buddies in denmark describe my views. :P
00:10:50 <nakilon> this thing https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9
00:11:07 <imode> we have a couple of things like that.
00:11:14 <nakilon> several Americans on reddit said there is no such thing in US
00:11:40 <nakilon> and I don't see an English page on Wikipedia
00:11:40 <imode> the better business bureau.
00:12:29 <imode> I wouldn't put my faith in the russian government. I'm struggling to recover my lack of faith in the US government.
00:12:54 <imode> so a complaint book is a double edged sword.
00:13:15 <nakilon> the interesting fact is that it appeared thanks to Stalin -- his politics were about giving the citizens a right to tell about problems out loud, that was among the things why people (not those who were sent to gulag for being criminals) loved him and what he built
00:14:14 <imode> I'm sure he was a great guy apart from the millions he killed.
00:14:50 <nakilon> this book works -- you come to a store, they do some service badly, you write it to a book and within weeks you get a response on the next page of the book and the business gets fined
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00:15:13 <imode> yeah, because customers can always be trusted.
00:15:34 <imode> totally want the potential to be fined to be in the hands of customers.
00:15:39 <nakilon> they check the facts
00:15:51 <imode> I'm sure the government which now has a de-facto dictator checks its facts all the time.
00:16:20 <nakilon> if you write a bullshit, they respond "quit your bullshit"
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00:17:29 <nakilon> you can copypaste hate propaganda any number of times you want -- it won't make it truth
00:17:45 <imode> it certainly wasn't copypasting.
00:17:48 <nakilon> because you have nothing to prove the bullshit with
00:18:07 <imode> calling anything that you disagree with propaganda is an interesting tactic.
00:18:29 <nakilon> this is now a blatant lie about me
00:18:43 <nakilon> because there was no "calling anything that you disagree with propaganda" by me
00:18:55 <imode> I actually have a question, are you russian?
00:19:03 <nakilon> yes I am
00:19:11 <imode> this makes a lot of sense.
00:19:18 <nakilon> what sense?
00:19:22 <imode> just your demeanor.
00:19:26 <imode> general behavior.
00:19:38 <imode> disposition.
00:19:45 <nakilon> so now you are judging me by nationality, nice
00:19:52 <nakilon> you can go fuck yourself
00:20:16 <imode> nice jump. was really just claiming that you'd defend your national pride, as anybody would, but you do you dude.
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00:23:54 <nakilon> I am Russian, I am not nazi or racist, I was born in the most multinational country in the world and the more I speak to foreigners the more I see how they operate with only rumours, and are absolutely unable to differentiate the fact from propaganda, I'm tired of it
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00:24:12 <oerjan> ok now that you know you're russian and american and that this perfectly explains why you cannot get along, can you please never talk to each other again twh and i'm sorry for participating.
00:24:34 <esolangs> [[Py256]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86288&oldid=86287 * Makonede * (+30)
00:25:01 <oerjan> (that's irony btw there are other russians and americans in this channel who get along just fine)
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00:25:23 <imode> perhaps we should label things like this as off-topic.
00:25:41 <nakilon> I get along just fine with americans, unless they are some imperialists and russophobes
00:25:41 <imode> to prevent 1. flooding the channel and 2. blocking further discourse.
00:25:42 <oerjan> perhaps. int-e, fizzie?
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00:26:04 <imode> though I will say that uh, I wasn't the one that started talking about it.
00:26:38 <oerjan> imode: that's true, but my "uh oh" when you started talking was because i pretty confidentally saw what was coming
00:26:57 <imode> just try to deal with the facts at hand, man.
00:27:05 <oerjan> you're a bit like nemeses
00:27:08 <nakilon> and I know there are some people here with nicknames I don't remember well who just love to personally attack and lie on me exactly how I was lied just a page above
00:27:16 <imode> meh.
00:27:21 <imode> if I have a nemesis it's probably bezos.
00:28:23 <imode> nakilon: here's the thing, and I'm speaking to you in a genuine manner, despite the lack of intonation or intent in text: do not develop a victim complex.
00:28:39 <imode> it's frankly annoying and seeing as this is "the internet", your reputation is not at stake.
00:28:51 <imode> carry yourself as if nobody else matters.
00:29:19 <imode> you'll feel a lot happier and won't have to call people out or say you're being attacked.
00:29:42 <nakilon> I just try to make things visible that others are hidhing about themselves
00:30:04 <imode> this is either a cultural disconnect or malice and I'm looking to believe it's the former.
00:30:20 <imode> people don't need things "brought out of them", and you're too quick to jump the gun on people.
00:30:42 <imode> it's perceived as attacks, and you'll get hostility.
00:31:44 <nakilon> you lied about be and then instead of keeping the dialog constructive started saying that all I say is just biased just because I'm Russian
00:32:10 <imode> see, I see 'lie' pop up a lot. a lie is applicable only when you know the truth but choose to conceal it.
00:32:17 <int-e> So... two things. Nakilon should stop bringing up contested political topics. #esolangs is not the right place for this. imode, maybe ignore nakilon instead of goading them on. Yes, nakilon exhibits strong trollish tendencies, but they're tolerable if noone bites.
00:32:25 <imode> as in, "you are willingly lying".
00:32:36 <imode> pretty sure I've never seen someone accidentally lie.
00:32:40 <nakilon> I ignore him
00:32:50 <imode> so when you think people are being uncharitable towards you, maybe perceive it as a misconception. not a lie.
00:33:14 <imode> because when you tell me "you're lying about me", that just makes me appear as if I'm a bad party, vs. someone you either disagree with or someone who doesn't understand your position fully.
00:33:38 <imode> just sayin'.
00:33:40 <int-e> Now, can we stop this peacefully or do we need a proper timeout?
00:34:16 <imode> feel free to timeout, idgaf. I see this as a cultural misunderstanding rather than trolling.
00:34:17 <nakilon> and I didn't bring the politics, I didn't say that some country does something bad or omeone's leaders are bad or anything, it was brought in by others who just were triggered by some words on their trigger list
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00:35:38 <int-e> timeout it is. (cf. (cf. https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2021-07-14.html#lwc))
00:35:51 <imode> oh yay we have a logging endpoint.
00:36:51 <imode> wow I didn't see that context. no comment.
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00:45:43 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * CosmicMan08 * New user account
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01:08:20 <nakilon> it was not me who brought it in
01:08:55 <nakilon> you linked the wrong log line
01:09:19 <nakilon> on purpose
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01:26:02 <zzo38> How do you think that FFI should be made working in PostScript?
01:26:19 <imode> are there existing examples of FFIs with postscript?
01:26:36 <imode> and I guess, is this postscript calling out to C or another language calling postscript.
01:28:21 <zzo38> Yes, I mean calling C codes from PostScript codes.
01:28:39 <zzo38> I don't know if there are any existing examples of FFIs with PostScript, though.
01:29:29 <zzo38> (There is a printobject command which writes a PostScript object to stdout which can be useful for some purposes, but that is for dealing with an external program, not a dynamic library within the same program.)
01:29:35 <imode> mm. kinda hard to say, you need a way to set up calling conventions..
01:35:11 <zzo38> Yes, although it could be needing a C code to wrap calls to libraries that are not meant for this purpose, to convert values, etc
01:43:25 <imode> yeah, that's difficult. I think most forths get around this by exposing I/O ports.
01:43:28 <imode> or something similar.
01:43:44 <imode> well, I know of _one_ forth that does that... not most, most just drop to assembly and do the hard work.
01:44:09 <imode> it comes down to "do you want your language to be able to speak C" or "do you want to wall your language off and try to plan for the common cases".
01:47:36 <zzo38> Since it isn't a compiled programming language, I would think it probably need not "speak C" directly; it could use a plugin interface. In addition to defining new operators and reading/writing PostScript memory directory, it may also be wanted for a plugin to install a printer driver too, in case you are doing graphics.
01:47:50 <zzo38> (Such a "printer driver" need not necessarily be for a printer; it might also be a screen or file.)
01:48:12 <imode> yeah, you'll need to hot plug stuff in and out of the interpreter and have the calling code support it.
01:49:17 <zzo38> Yes.
01:49:25 <imode> that isn't actually a bad idea, though.
01:49:51 <imode> what's the difference between that and having the capability to "speak C" regularly. you can issue an interpreter call that says "load this dynamic library".
01:50:07 <imode> you'll just need some shim code for the dynamic library to make it speak your language.
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01:51:26 <zzo38> Yes, a operator to load a dynamic library is a good idea I think. (It would be disabled in safe mode of course, although libraries that have already been loaded before switching to safe mode can remain loaded.)
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01:51:53 <imode> you can build a shim generator as well if you know the types involved.
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01:53:54 <imode> wah
01:55:57 <zzo38> Yes, I suppose you can; I think there are programs to do such thing for some programming languages already, it can be added other one too
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