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03:31:59 <zzo38> One use of the transactional file system of computer design I had mentioned is that you might be able to back up the entire system while it is in use
04:06:07 <Sgeo> If I believe that CPU instruction sets should not have an instruction that evaluates a polynomial, does that make me anti-VAX?
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08:23:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:Calculator]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178809 * Dulph * (+237) Created page with "==Missing labels== This page seems to miss a description of Calculator labels and the a.? example (even though it is used in the truth machine code). Anyone knows where this could be found ? -[[User:Dulph|Dulph]] 8:21 01 April 2026 (UTC)"
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10:28:00 <lisbeths> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Yfm73V6m/FastLang+Flow.mp3
10:40:03 <lisbeths> how many languages have their own song
10:40:16 <korvo> Dunno. That's more of an operating-system thing, really.
10:48:37 <korvo> Some languages have poems, now that I think about it.
10:52:46 <lisbeths> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lTV3SRiS/444.jpg
11:05:30 <korvo> lisbeths: BTW I blogged about vibecoding: https://gist.github.com/MostAwesomeDude/560185c24f959f6fec229739cb5a6735 tl;dr: Vibecoding cannot produce Naur theories, so cannot produce working codebases.
11:20:11 <lisbeths> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/e9ytIGHt/Fastlang.mp3
11:21:32 <lisbeths> korvo when I use ai for code I do four things 1. ask it for advice. 2. carefully prompt it for a single well written line of code not an entire code base 3. ask it to document my undocumented code 4. ask it to explain error messages
11:22:27 <korvo> Okay. None of those are good ideas to me, but I understand why people do them.
11:22:43 <korvo> In particular, I understand why people would ask any of these things of coworkers, and I understand that the ELIZA effect is very powerful.
11:33:48 <FireFly> does Qt4-flavoured C++ count as a (domain-specific) language? :p
11:34:19 <FireFly> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTEVbQLC8s -- qt4 dance)
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14:24:26 <ais523> currently I have a rate of 0% useful answers when asking LLMs questions, both on topics I know and on topics I don't know
14:24:39 <ais523> half the time the answer is wrong and useless, the other half it is right but useless
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14:39:36 <int-e> fungot: is 0 better or worse than NaN?
14:39:37 <fungot> int-e:/ principle included in these beds, might be driven out both at top and bottom. may not those naturalists who believe in/ body, for they were proportionally with those :)/
14:49:12 <esolangs> [[Reversable]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178812 * Dulph * (+1519) Created the page about Reversable (language was fully created today)
14:51:44 <esolangs> [[Reversable/Python Implementation]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178813 * Dulph * (+2132) Created page
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14:53:26 <esolangs> [[Reversable]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178815&oldid=178812 * Aadenboy * (-12) /* Commands */
14:57:25 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178816&oldid=178766 * Dulph * (+17) /* R */ Added the Reversable language, since page just got created
15:05:22 <fizzie> Maybe not a question to ask Darwin.
15:05:24 <fungot> Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
15:06:05 <fizzie> I couldn't estimate a percentage for myself, but it's definitely greater than zero.
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15:26:20 <esolangs> [[2D-Reversable/Python Implementation]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178818 * Dulph * (+2184) Created page with "Original (and ugly) implementation of [[2D-Reversable]] by [[User:Dulph]] class BiReversableError(Exception): pass prog = input() prog.replace("\t","") prog=prog.split("\n") endProg = [] for i in prog: endProg.append(i.split(" "))
15:27:53 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178819&oldid=178816 * Dulph * (+20) /* Non-alphabetic */ Added 2D-Reversable language
15:41:02 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178820&oldid=174565 * PrySigneToFry * (+30) Fix
15:52:02 <esolangs> [[2D-Reversable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178821&oldid=178817 * Dulph * (+2) Corrected a typo
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17:00:01 <esolangs> [[Function V]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178835&oldid=177069 * Zlfp * (+9)
17:12:22 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178836 * Aadenboy * (+1370) whatever. go my scarab!
17:13:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mhm!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178837 * Aadenboy * (+362) Created page with "this was originally meant to be an April Fools' joke but it turned into a possible tarpit ~~~~"
17:20:11 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178838&oldid=178785 * Aadenboy * (+526) add [[Mhm!]]
17:20:37 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/randomesolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178839&oldid=174965 * Aadenboy * (+9) add [[Mhm!]]
17:21:43 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178840&oldid=176249 * Aadenboy * (+190) /* Mhm! */ add [[Mhm!]] (haha three of my languages in a row)
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17:41:18 <esolangs> [[Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178841&oldid=178831 * Aadenboy * (-35) what?
17:49:23 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178842&oldid=178836 * Aadenboy * (+369) Infobox proglang
17:49:34 <esolangs> [[Countable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178843&oldid=178784 * Aadenboy * (+10) add [[Mhm!]]
17:55:16 <esolangs> [[List of esolang file extensions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178844&oldid=177858 * Aadenboy * (+19) add [[Mhm!]]
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18:38:01 <esolangs> [[2D-Reversable 2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178847&oldid=178845 * Dulph * (+24) Made more clear the association values-direction
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20:08:30 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Zymbol.Lang * New user account
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21:10:17 <Zymbol-Lang> Hello, I'm interested in publishing the wiki for my new language, Zymbol-Lang, but I haven't been able to because of permission issues.
21:10:18 <Zymbol-Lang> www.zymbol-lang.org || https://github.com/zymbol-lang
21:32:51 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178849&oldid=177581 * Ractangle * (-16) /* Cat program */
21:34:12 <korvo> Zymbol-Lang: Did you read the directions when you registered your account?
21:38:36 <korvo> Zymbol-Lang: Also, since it looks like you're using a lot of generative-chatbot output in your work, please read [[esolang:copyright]] and [[esolang:help]] before getting started with editing.
21:43:49 <esolangs> [[Snakel]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178850&oldid=177227 * Ractangle * (+21) /* Microsoft (yes that is their actual name) */
21:47:33 <esolangs> [[Codesh ()]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178851&oldid=178586 * StavWasPlayZ * (+4)
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01:37:54 <esolangs> [[Adj]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178852&oldid=178811 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+0) Rectified the level for the Interpreter section header.
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02:46:48 <shachaf> "He is also credited with the discovery of Girard's paradox, linear logic, the geometry of interaction, ludics, and (satirically) the mustard watch.[1]"
02:46:58 <shachaf> This sentence reads like tanebventions.
03:11:56 <korvo> Sgeo: I thought about it a little, and I have to ask whether FMA counts as Horner's rule. Like, is FMA enough to evaluate polynomials? Or does it have to include a loop?
03:22:22 <int-e> The original includes a loop: "POLY evaluates a polynomial, given the degree, the argument, and a pointer to a table of coefficients."
03:32:58 <korvo> I suppose the degree is just the length of the table. Or maybe there's something interesting that can be done by passing a smaller degree.
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05:20:20 <ais523> Zymbol-Lang: the best way to write about something that's copyrighted is to write a separate, uncopyrighted summary of how the language works and link to the original
05:21:03 <ais523> (this is also good when writing about a language whose specification is too complicated to fit onto the wiki, e.g. some golfing languages have hundreds of commands, with behaviour complex enough that it's hard to define without reference to source code
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05:25:52 <zzo38> Sometimes you can write your own document which describes the same thing in a different way (e.g. I have written a public domain document about uxn, although it is not in esolang wiki)
05:56:13 <esolangs> [[.mtcm]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178853 * BODOKE2801e * (+433) Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=mtcm}} :''Note that it's spelled in lowercase, except usen in start of words'' '''Mtcm''' is a small [[esosteric language]] made by [[User:BODOKE2801e]] designed to be minimalist ==Syntax== It has all of commands, are <code>></code>, <code><</code>
05:59:16 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Yayimhere2(school) * moved [[.mtcm]] to [[Mtcm]]: Move to correct title(idk why it was not in the first place, since its correct title is mtcm and that is not taken)
06:01:09 <esolangs> [[Mtcm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178856&oldid=178854 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-57) remove both notes at the top of the page(first one is no longer needed, second one I have moved to in parenthesis next to the title)
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08:57:45 <esolangs> [[Mango]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178858&oldid=172914 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+2) /* Commands */
09:35:25 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178859&oldid=178842 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+30) /* Memory */ explain a little clearer
10:21:27 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178860&oldid=178848 * Zymbol.Lang * (+112)
10:25:03 <esolangs> [[Functionable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178861&oldid=178741 * PKMN Trainer * (+363) /* Syntax */
10:27:59 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178862&oldid=178860 * Zymbol.Lang * (+21)
10:31:27 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178863&oldid=178862 * Zymbol.Lang * (+1)
10:40:38 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178864&oldid=178863 * Zymbol.Lang * (-6) /* Introductions */
10:43:23 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178865&oldid=178827 * Zymbol.Lang * (+18) /* Z */
10:43:38 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178866&oldid=178865 * Zymbol.Lang * (+0) /* Z */
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11:06:43 <esolangs> [[Functionable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178868&oldid=178861 * PKMN Trainer * (+510)
11:07:48 <esolangs> [[Zymbol-Lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178869&oldid=178867 * Zymbol.Lang * (+50)
11:14:43 <esolangs> [[Zymbol-Lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178870&oldid=178869 * Zymbol.Lang * (+1) /* Operators Reference */
11:18:31 <esolangs> [[Zymbol-Lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178871&oldid=178870 * Zymbol.Lang * (+5) /* External Links */
11:39:38 <esolangs> [[Mtcm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178872&oldid=178856 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+48)
11:39:51 <esolangs> [[Mtcm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178873&oldid=178872 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-1)
11:41:12 <int-e> `learn The password of the month is G7$kL9#mQ2&xP4!w
11:41:16 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is G7$kL9#mQ2&xP4!w
11:41:27 <int-e> (from https://www.irregular.com/publications/vibe-password-generation )
11:43:09 <esolangs> [[Spore]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178874&oldid=178828 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+9)
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11:54:43 <ais523> the LLM doesn't try to pick a strong password: it tries to pick whatever string looks most like a strong password, and of course there are only a few such strings
11:56:03 <ais523> (at least given the probability distribution it embodies)
11:56:47 <int-e> Oh I remember a joke that went like that... that to be secure, passwords shall satisfy certain criteria and that a team brute forced all the passwords to find that there's just one secure password, which has been distributed to all sysadmins to use for their users.
11:57:08 <int-e> From no later than 2000, I think.
11:58:05 <int-e> ais523: Anyway. I agree that this is not surprising. But it's amusing.
11:59:52 <int-e> (It's not even specific to machines; people aren't great at randomness either. But each individual will have different preferences; we're not all using the same neural network with the same weights. ;-) )
12:02:10 <ais523> at least for passwords that I don't need to memorise, I use an appropriate number of bytes from /dev/random encoded in a way that makes them printable
12:02:29 <ais523> I feel like I may as well randomize between all possible passwords of the correct length and encoding
12:02:36 <ais523> in a way that means there's no human bias involved
12:03:51 <ais523> on one of my email accounts, my email client uses an apparently randomly generated password provided by the email account provider that's over a kilobyte long (I think they reasoned that as it was only being used by computers anyway they may as well make it completely impossible to brute-force, and went a little overbaord)
12:04:17 <int-e> Anyway, I think I'm done with the shapez 2 early access version; https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-insane-fini.jpg is the final form of the hub (with make anything machines) for the time being. ("insane" isn't me; it's the name of the scenario/difficulty)
12:04:50 <int-e> (just in time too; 1.0 is supposed to be releasesd in 3 weeks)
12:06:30 <int-e> at 1kb in size this better include some error correcting code to detect and repair bit errors
12:07:21 <ais523> I don't know how it works technically, but now that you've mentioned it, it wouldn't surprise me if there was an error-correcting code in there somewhere (although of course you need to be careful with those when it comes to passwords)
12:09:34 <int-e> hah, yesterday's xkcd
12:11:15 <int-e> (Hmm. Without JS, I shudder to think what would happen if I switched that on.)
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14:13:51 <esolangs> [[User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178877&oldid=178876 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (-575) /* Extra information */
14:13:56 <esolangs> [[User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178878&oldid=178877 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (-289) /* Miscellaneous */
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16:42:00 <korvo> I'm alright. Tired of responding to vibecoders.
16:42:50 <Yayimhere> I must say that is a sensible respond
16:44:24 <Yayimhere> is there like an easy way to say the pair of characters that have an equal index in two different strings?
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16:58:02 <ais523> Yayimhere: "corresponding positions in the strings", perhaps?
16:59:14 <ais523> it's one of those relationships that comes up sufficiently rarely that it's useful to give an example (but sufficiently often that I vaguely remember having faced the problem of unambiguously describing it before)
17:00:09 <korvo> ais523: I've been practicing for code interviews, so I recognized std::mismatch: https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/algorithm/mismatch.html But I think "matching of elements from iterators" doesn't quite flow as well.
17:04:43 <ais523> it strikes me that LLMs are probably good at coming up with plausible interview questions, because producing plausible-looking things is what they are best at; I don't know whether or not those questions would be good practice for actual interview questions, though
17:05:07 <Yayimhere> hmmm. I think I may have come up with an interesting idea for a language
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17:07:53 <Yayimhere> So, the program is made up of a set of axioms and then an expression
17:08:22 <Yayimhere> and then it kinda multithreads the program by making a program thread with eevery expression that is equal to the original one
17:14:02 <ais523> are the axioms specifying which expressions are equal?
17:14:44 <ais523> if so, I think this sort of algorithm is mathematically studied a lot – this is basically "mathematical nondeterminism" in that you are trying all possibilities for your string-rewriting or tree-rewriting
17:15:21 <ais523> parsers are often mathematically formalised like that (although a sensible parser wouldn't actually be implemented like that)
17:15:29 <korvo> ais523: https://github.com/samwho/llmwalk This is vibecoded but the underlying maths is reasonable. I implemented a version of this for exploring prompts on local models.
17:16:06 <korvo> Basically, instead of committing to a single stem during beam search, do a summation over all popular tokens and show the resulting partition down to like 1% likelihood.
17:17:54 <ais523> I think maybe the mathematical object you want is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_grammar (this inspired the programming language Thue but the key detail, of trying all possibilities in parallel, got lost along the way)
17:18:06 <ais523> but the description might be too mathematical to be helpful
17:18:37 <Yayimhere> its not precisely my idea but its pretty close
17:19:04 <Yayimhere> the axioms themselves would pretty much be the same as in Fak: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fak
17:19:14 <ais523> your idea likely also uses mathematical nondeterminism but in a different way
17:20:04 <ais523> anyway, will be /away for a bit to get food (and will be busy later)
17:20:12 <Yayimhere> perhaps having symbols affect some other expression, that then also branches and the becomes the memory expression of the one it branched "onto"
17:25:28 <korvo> Yayimhere: The general idea of proof search is very old. Gödel, who showed that it's not computable to write a proof in general, also imagined that it would be very expensive to search for a proof. I think that you can imagine why; we call it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branching_factor
17:26:12 <korvo> This is where P vs NP comes from, at least to me. A P machine can verify a proof. To do that, it starts at the axioms, applies each step of the proof, and checks whether the final result is equal to the desired theorem.
17:26:52 <korvo> BTW, in a modern string-rewriter like Metamath, that check is literal string equality. Like, "x, y" != "y, x" or "lambda x: x" != "lambda y: y". Every variable has to match exactly.
17:27:32 <korvo> So, an NP machine could search for a proof. To do that, it starts at the axioms, *nondeterministically* applies each step of the proof, and *nondeterministically* checks whether the current step is equal to the desired theorem.
17:28:12 <korvo> But, do NP machines exist? And after nearly a century, our current hunch is P != NP. Moreover, we think that physics won't give us an NP machine.
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17:52:23 <Yayimhere49> hmm. Now, ive come up with another(quite simple) idea
17:52:39 <Yayimhere49> like, multiple terminals? Where code is located to specific terminals
17:52:54 <Yayimhere49> so like you have one section of the program that only reads one of them
17:53:03 <Yayimhere49> and another reading and writing to another
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17:54:55 <korvo> Sure. That's basically the Internet.
17:56:20 <Yayimhere49> maybe when a section of code leaves a specific console and another enters, the output of thee last is read as input for the new
17:59:30 <b_jonas> int-e: re shapez preview, how many different shapes is that trying to deliver to the hub at the same type?
17:59:31 <fizzie> I have a Perl script for fungot models where you give it the initial context, and then it generates N sample responses for the same context, but it doesn't do that thing of trying to find the N most likely responses, that looks more interesting.
17:59:32 <fungot> fizzie: i think it will make that nicer
17:59:59 <fizzie> fungot: I agree, but on the other hand is it really worth doing?
17:59:59 <fungot> fizzie: heh scoping in assignation and blocks here
18:08:49 <esolangs> [[Bad Apple In Deadfish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178892 * Win7HE * (+587) the entire code.
18:09:17 <ais523> Yayimhere49: my very first esolang, which I never released (or even fully specified) because it was so bad, was dataflow-based: parts of a program could only act on data immediately next to them
18:09:35 <esolangs> [[Bad Apple In Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178893&oldid=178892 * Win7HE * (+9) /* Changes */
18:09:39 <ais523> and would output data next to them ,too
18:09:48 <ais523> no, in BF the data is on the tape
18:09:57 <ais523> in this, the data was effectively in the same grid as the source code
18:10:22 <ais523> this is an interesting idea if you have it working in a massively-parallel way, like a cellular automaton
18:10:28 <Yayimhere49> I would love to see it done properly but I dont think I'd be able to do it
18:10:43 <ais523> but I didn't (due to lack of experience), it had an instruction pointer
18:10:52 <ais523> which is more or less just a waste of a good idea
18:11:18 <ais523> (that said, the cellular-automaton approach has been thoroughly explored now using actual 2D cellular automata – the Game of Life is the most studied)
18:12:41 <ais523> I was interested in the "wire-crossing problem" which a lot of early esolangers were already interested in, but in the end I concluded that the problem was likely badly defined and very hard to make rigorous in a way that made the problem actually interesting
18:13:09 <ais523> like, nobody could precisely define what the problem actually was
18:14:06 <Yayimhere49> yea, when I came across is(which, perhaps surprisingly I didnt before quite late into making esolangs) I was confused on how the definitions actuall wroekd out
18:14:34 <ais523> the details of the language I remember are that each command was a 2×2 square of characters and the commands were placed onto a hex grid – I don't think I got as far as working out what the commands actually were
18:14:58 <ais523> although I think the IP didn't have a direction, just a position, and each command was responsible for moving it in the correct direction (that is probably what one of the characters in the square was going to be)
18:16:22 <ais523> nowadays my esolangs often don't have explicit commands at all (and when they do it's often because I'm intentionally trying to leave a gap in the set of things they can collectively accomplish)
18:18:09 <ais523> sometimes I am surprised at how relatively simple https://esolangs.org/wiki/Feed_the_Chaos is, given how precisely targeted the computational class is
18:18:41 <Yayimhere49> I should propably read and understand feed the chaos at some point, I just haven't gotten to it lol
18:19:06 <Yayimhere49> I did once have the idea of trying to create a language that is string based, but equivalent to Feed the chaos
18:19:41 <ais523> it seems to be a surprisingly common computational class, given that (as far as I know) it was only discovered a few years ago
18:20:45 <b_jonas> as for simple, I was just thinking that one of the reasons why Rubik's cube is such a great puzzle is that it feels nicely canonical. and also that there aren't too many popular puzzles like that. there's the puzzle to pack the 12 pentominos into a rectangle.
18:21:22 <ais523> b_jonas: I have mixed feelings about that pentomino puzzle – a puzzle collection I own had that puzzle but with all possible sizes of rectangle
18:21:27 <ais523> and it was frustrating
18:21:35 <ais523> I think I solved all or at least most of them eventually
18:21:58 <ais523> * all possible shapes of rectangle, they are of course all the same size if you measure the area
18:22:02 <b_jonas> ais523: oh certainly, the narrow ones are way too frustrating, but 6×10 isn't
18:22:29 <b_jonas> 3×20 has very few solutions, 2 IIRC
18:22:41 <ais523> I kind-of liked 3×20 because it's an exercise in eliminating possibilities and logical deduction
18:23:01 <ais523> I can't remember whether I ever actually found a solution
18:23:20 <ais523> but there is a lot of logic you can use to prove that certain pieces have to go in certain places, or at least rule it down to few possibilities
18:24:23 <b_jonas> ais523: did you get any development on the gamepad English text typing schemes since last time?
18:24:35 <ais523> b_jonas: yes mentally but I didn't write any of it down
18:24:53 <ais523> my plan was to use the back shoulder buttons/triggers as shift (on the left) and number (on the right)
18:25:33 <ais523> and then I assigned all of ASCII, plus a few more punctuation marks like ×, ÷, minus sign, dash, to the resulting maps
18:26:13 <ais523> also I decided to split the right shoulder + face buttons chords (which produce common punctuation marks) based on which you pressed first, to get 16 possibilities rather than 8
18:26:42 <ais523> (for diagonals, choosing which orthogonal direction is pressed first is frustrating, but for space+vowel pairs, which are diagonal-like, it's trivial)
18:26:45 <b_jonas> did you figure out how number mode should work?
18:27:19 <ais523> D-pad is 1 at the top clockwise to 8 at the top left; 0 is top face button, 9 is top-left face button pair
18:28:27 <ais523> and then the rest of the face buttons are punctuation, clockwise from 0 it's = + × . ÷ −
18:28:39 <ais523> (sorry for the delay, took me a while to find the minus sign as it isn't on my keyboard)
18:30:01 <ais523> one good thing about this is that a) you can use it as the input method for a simple calculator, b) you can do obvious substitutions to use it as a means of typing phone numbers (# for =, * for ×, a hyphen-minus rather than a minus, and + can appear in phone numbers too)
18:31:25 <ais523> now, the great thing about this is that if you hold shift + number, you get punctuation marks and those can basically match those on a qwerty keyboard
18:32:00 <ais523> @ where 2 appears, # for 3, $ for 4, % for 5, ^ for 6, & for 7, * for 8
18:32:17 <ais523> 1 is an exception (because ! is already on the basic punctuation wheel), I think shift-1 is ~ in my scheme
18:33:08 <ais523> shift+number+face buttons does brackets ()[]{}<>
18:34:27 <ais523> and doing space + face button in that order (rather than face button + space) gives you (from the right clockwise) _\|/–`"' which is extremely easy to remember as they all point to the middle of the wheel
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18:35:28 <ais523> I think this is the whole of ASCII – if there's a character I've missed, it goes where / was on the paste I linked earlier (because / is now on space+button rather than button+space)
18:36:20 <ais523> nope, just checked my keyboard and it's all there
18:37:11 <ais523> anyway, I haven't implemented this and I haven't tested it out on an actual controller yet either
18:37:49 <ais523> I was also considering having a press of shift on its own be caps lock, likewise a press of numshift on its own be numlock, but am not sure I like that
18:38:12 <ais523> almost all modern controllers have the back triggers as pressure-sensitive so it might depend on how hard you press them
18:38:44 <ais523> (amazingly, you can actually read even that information from a web page)
18:40:26 <ais523> some controllers went overboard and had all the buttons pressure-sensitive, but it is specifically the back triggers on the current consensus controller design (and they are normally designed to have a big travel range and to let you feel how much pressure you're applying, unlike the other button-like controls)
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18:41:17 <b_jonas> hold on, I think you haven't defined what the 16 combinations of space with vowel stick gives
18:41:37 <ais523> morning aadenboy (although it's actually evening for me)
18:43:25 <b_jonas> oh I see, that's what gives slash and backslash
18:43:35 <ais523> b_jonas: _\|/–`"' if you press space first, and the punctuation from before (?;.,-/!:) if you press the vowel first
18:43:45 <ais523> although I was planning to replace / with something else
18:44:05 <ais523> could easily be a non-ASCII character, maybe it should be a compose key?
18:44:52 <ais523> the vowel-first /, that is, not the one that's in a nicely symmetrical location
18:46:56 <ais523> I wanted a compose key as it's one of the most mnemonic possible ways to extend the character repertoire
18:49:33 <fizzie> On regular keyboards, I always bind the menu key as the compose key, and it's annoying to me how many smaller form-factor keyboards (including laptops) just omit that key, possibly to fit in a `fn` key that's hardwaristically wired (well, probably firmwaristically in practice, but still) and therefore impossible to use for other purposes.
18:49:57 <ais523> fizzie: on this laptop, it's on fn + right ctrl
18:50:29 <ais523> I have bought a new laptop but haven't really started using it yet, that one has multiple questionable keys on the keyboard, but the right ctrl key is replaced by a Copilot key (and menu is Fn+Copilot)
18:50:52 <ais523> this seems obviously less useful than a ctrl key, but I think Microsoft must have substantially subsidised the price with the advertising
18:51:05 <fizzie> I'm using altgr + the (single, left) windows key for compose on this laptop, which is not incredibly convenient to press.
18:51:14 <ais523> (Ubuntu 24.04 is apparently unable to see the key at all)
18:51:20 <fizzie> But that's a good point, I should see if fn + some other key is perhaps a menu key.
18:51:24 <ais523> I use caps lock as control on this layout
18:51:32 <ais523> (and shift-shift as caps lock)
18:51:37 <ais523> * caps lock as compose
18:51:55 <ais523> bad typo, because caps lock as control is a reasonable configuration that is common among Emacs users, it just isn't mine
18:52:20 <ais523> I do end up typoing shift-shift occasionally, so maybe caps lock should be something that's harder to press, but it works most of the time
18:52:39 <ais523> that said, the default binding for compose used to be shift-altgr and yet that doesn't seem to work nowadays – I wonder what changed?
18:53:59 <b_jonas> that sounds like those television remotes with a youtube and a disney button
18:54:15 <fizzie> My current keyboard has two keys labeled "esc" (a black one and a red one), because it came with a rather limited set of keycaps, and the red esc is the closest I could think of for the pause/break key (which I use as a shortcut for locking the screen, something you do when you need a break).
18:55:04 <fizzie> Chromebooks used to, and maybe still do, have an Assistant key. Maybe it's a Gemini key now?
18:55:20 <b_jonas> I bound the caps-lock+tab keys to caps lock at one point
18:55:20 <ais523> b_jonas: I was concerned at first until I realised it was just a keyboard button (not sure what sequence it sends), the Microsoft documentation says that if you don't have Copilot set up it opens Bing
18:55:48 <ais523> b_jonas: heh, that also seems somewhat easy to typo, although it'd be a different nature of typo than the one that produces shift-shift
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18:56:31 <ais523> I use Ubuntu's default of Ctrl-Alt-L as a screen lock sequence (although thinking about it, it's weird that it doesn't start with Super, given that it's a global shortcut)
18:57:04 <fizzie> Surveying three Chromebook models, two do appear to have a "G" key (with the Google G logo), which I imagine _must_ do something Gemini-related now (by default).
18:57:32 <ais523> the really weird thing about the new laptop is that it appears to have a "snipping tool" button (which is Windows's built-in screenshot program) in addition to PrtSc, and pressing it appears to send a chord rather than being programmed as a separate key
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18:58:14 <ais523> I would have preferred home/end/pgup/pgdn buttons, which it doesn't really have (although they are as usual available on the numpad if you turn numlock off)
18:59:58 <fizzie> This keyboard's keycap set included one key that has, like, a square with a diagonal through it, and two small crosses at the other two corners, which I'm using as a PrtSc key, because it kind of looks like a rectangle selection tool, but I don't know if that's the intended meaning or not.
19:00:02 <ais523> korvo: so in the rules of Yugioh, you can sort-of activate two trap cards at once, but have to give the opponent a chance to do something in between (and the action they take might stop the second one activating)
19:00:33 <ais523> but after activating one, if they do nothing, you can activate the second and then they will both resolve together (in the reverse of the order you activated them, but nothing can happen in between)
19:01:21 <ais523> fizzie: that's very similar to the snipping tool button on my new laptop's keyboard (which doesn't have the diagonal, it's a square with a cross at the top-left and bottom-right corner)
19:01:36 <ais523> or, more of a rectangle actually, but close to square
19:03:05 <fizzie> Internet seems to suggest it is indeed the Keychron standard screenshot symbol.
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20:42:29 <korvo> Yeah, my post title was a deliberate joke about how it's not possible to actually activate two trap cards in a single motion. Like hitting two birds with one stone, to use an earlier snowclone.
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21:51:17 <fizzie> We've been told we now have to say "feeding two birds with one cone", for sensitivity reasons.
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04:04:00 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178915&oldid=178914 * Yoyolin0409 * (-3) /* statistics */
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04:39:29 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178918&oldid=178917 * Yoyolin0409 * (+19) /* Real brainfuck interpreter */
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07:14:34 <esolangs> [[Kind n' Single]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178921&oldid=178920 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+64) /* System */
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08:03:43 <esolangs> [[Div]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178923 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1806) Created page with "'''Div''', named after divided and the divine comedy, is an Esoteric Programming Language created by [[User:Yayimhere]], based mainly on string prefixes, and [[An Odd Rewriting System]], specifically in the concept of "Definitions". == Syntax == A program is in
08:05:12 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178924&oldid=178918 * Yoyolin0409 * (+6) /* Command Table */
08:05:43 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178925&oldid=178924 * Yoyolin0409 * (-104) /* Note */
08:08:03 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178926&oldid=178925 * Yoyolin0409 * (-81) /* Examples */
08:10:47 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178927&oldid=178926 * Yoyolin0409 * (-10) /* Real brainfuck interpreter */
08:11:19 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178928&oldid=178927 * Yoyolin0409 * (-1) /* Real brainfuck interpreter */
08:16:46 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178929&oldid=178928 * Yoyolin0409 * (+61) /* Real brainfuck interpreter */
08:18:02 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178930&oldid=178929 * Yoyolin0409 * (+22) /* Real brainfuck interpreter */
08:19:57 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178931&oldid=178930 * Yoyolin0409 * (+69) /* Real brainfuck interpreter */
08:21:36 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178932&oldid=178931 * Yoyolin0409 * (-402) /* Turing completeness proof using brainfuck */
08:21:52 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178933&oldid=178932 * Yoyolin0409 * (-5) /* Real brainfuck interpreter */
08:22:39 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178934&oldid=178933 * Yoyolin0409 * (+8) /* OOP examples */
08:30:34 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178935&oldid=178934 * Yoyolin0409 * (+141) /* brainfuck interpreter */
08:32:08 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178936&oldid=178935 * Yoyolin0409 * (+46) /* brainfuck interpreter */
08:33:18 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178937&oldid=178936 * Yoyolin0409 * (+14) /* Command Table */
08:34:25 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178938&oldid=178937 * Yoyolin0409 * (+17) /* brainfuck interpreter */
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09:03:37 <esolangs> [[Div]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178940&oldid=178923 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+127)
09:34:13 <b_jonas> ais523: there's also the flag semaphore code, which is designed to be signaled by an unaided human with a flag held in each hand. you can hold each flag in any of eight directions, though which flag is which doesn't matter, so there are only 36 possible signals. some people already know this one, so for them it might work as an input method on two d-pads on a controller if you can relyably input the
10:02:17 <esolangs> [[File:SHSM down arrow for guide signs.png]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178941&oldid=174453 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (-35) Blanked the page
10:04:12 <esolangs> [[Mtcm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178942&oldid=178919 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+9) stille a stub, doesnt really describe its memory or how the state changing works.
10:11:50 <esolangs> [[Emojifunge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178943&oldid=142226 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+8)
10:18:55 <esolangs> [[Lorem Ipsum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178944&oldid=175833 * Gggfr * (+4) /* Full width commands */
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10:51:08 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178946&oldid=178939 * Yoyolin0409 * (+16) /* Preprocessors */
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11:04:55 <ais523> I'm a bit tired, as usual, but otherwise OK
11:05:09 <ais523> also a bit distracted, there's lots of programming I need to do but I'm having trouble actually making my mind up to do it
11:06:44 <Yayimhere> same, I have an interpreter to complete but
11:45:34 <esolangs> [[Lorem Ipsum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178947&oldid=178944 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+39) /* Demonstration */
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12:24:08 <fizzie> Hah! Was testing the wiki question-answerer after some code changes with my default test question ("Who invented Befunge?"), and somehow the MediaWiki search for "Befunge creator" (extracted search term) returned `Euclid`, `Dotlang` and `HQ9funge` as the best matches for that question.
12:24:13 <fizzie> So the model dutifully used those as context and proclaimed: "Befunge was created by User:Andrew3335. The article states that Dotlang was “partially derivative of befunge,” indicating Andrew3335 was also the creator of Befunge."
12:24:47 <fizzie> That's... not exactly how it works. But it definitely needs a better search (which might be a valuable thing to have in its own right anyway).
12:24:59 <fizzie> (On a later attempt it did switch the search query to "Befunge inventor", which does get `Funge-98` as the only search result, which makes it give the correct answer.)
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12:50:56 <esolangs> [[Dangermouse]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178949 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+30) Redirected page to [[David Morgan-Mar]]
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13:19:25 <ais523> MediaWiki search works best when you're searching for a single noun, I think (rather than multiple nouns that would have to appear on the same page)
13:19:44 <ais523> the search term for that should just be "Befunge", not "Befunge creator"
13:22:27 <fizzie> I tried to prompt the search term extraction to prefer single nouns, but it decided to search for "Mark Russinengo" instead. :)
13:23:17 <fizzie> And of course it didn't find any results, so it had to answer without wiki context, and produced: "Befunge was invented by Stefan Gustav Adolf Johannesson in 1993."
13:23:23 <fizzie> (Interesting that it got the year right.)
13:24:19 <FireFly> ah yes, the famous mean inventor name
13:24:28 <ais523> that's a bizarre level of AI decision-making
13:25:53 <ais523> zero search engine results for Mark Russinengo if you insist on the spelling of the surname, that's impressive
13:26:28 <int-e> But it does look like a plausible name, so it must be real.
13:26:44 <int-e> You just have to BELIEVE.
13:28:33 <ais523> LLM output is after all optimised for looking plausible
13:29:59 <int-e> I would not have used the word "decision making" though I suppose it does not, technically, imply any sort of careful deliberation.
13:32:50 <ais523> it is still making decisions, it just isn't making them very well
13:33:24 <ais523> if you think about it, all an LLM does is decide which token comes next
13:36:31 <int-e> `le/rn token anxiety/Tokens participating in a Markov chain often get nervous while waiting for their turn to shine. This is called token anxiety.
13:36:33 <HackEso> Usage: `le/[/]rn <key>//<wisdom>
13:36:44 <int-e> `le/rn token anxiety//Tokens participating in a Markov chain often get nervous while waiting for their turn to shine. This is called token anxiety.
13:36:48 <HackEso> Learned 'token anxiety': Tokens participating in a Markov chain often get nervous while waiting for their turn to shine. This is called token anxiety.
13:41:06 <fizzie> Next two attempts: search for Andrew S. Smith, invented by Jürg Steiner; search for Steve Russell, invented by Daniel Grünfeld.
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13:42:36 <fizzie> (And search for Whittington, invented by Jarko Määttänen.)
13:43:23 <fizzie> I have been planning to try out one of those text-embedding cosine-distance semantic search approaches, though I'm a little doubtful as to how well that'll work on esolang content either.
13:50:54 <ais523> oh, I bet it's guessing at the answer and using that as a search term
13:51:00 <ais523> rather than trying to pick a search term from the question
13:51:41 <int-e> XZ problem (where, instead of asking Y, you jump straight to the conclusion, Z)
13:53:22 <fizzie> I just realized while it was a _little_ more silly than even I would have expected.
13:53:58 <fizzie> Previously I was using a lower-level library to run inference, and so my prompts included the markers the Gemma instruction-tuned variant uses to indicate the turns and roles (user, model).
13:54:35 <fizzie> But I switched to a different thing to run it on the GPU, which handles the prompting syntax for me, so it had those all doubled.
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13:58:15 <FireFly> int-e: I thought an XZ problem was when you have collaborators gaslighting you into accepting suspicious opaque binaries into the project's test data *ducks*
13:58:17 <fizzie> On the other hand, now that it does correctly land on the search query "Befunge", it gets confused by the rather long article about Befunge instead.
13:59:02 <int-e> FireFly: that's good too
14:00:49 <ais523> FireFly: it was more than just collaborators, the attacker actually maintained xz in a nonmalicious way for about 2 years in order to build up trust
14:01:33 <FireFly> I just wanted to compress it into a short line to make the reference obvious enough :p
14:11:25 <esolangs> [[Codesh ()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178950&oldid=178851 * StavWasPlayZ * (-18) Add compiler implementation
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15:35:21 <korvo> fizzie: Note that LLMs learn *all* memetic associations, including ones which we might normally think of as contrived word games. For example, it's quite reasonable to ask "Who was the president of USA in 1990s?" -> RAG gives concepts close to "USA", "president", "1990s" like "Al Gore" -> model assigns high probability to "Bill Clinton".
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16:02:54 <HackEso> fire//Fire, fire, everywhere, nor any drop to drink.
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16:05:28 <HackEso> Al Gore invented the algorithm.
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18:10:23 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178954&oldid=174843 * SuperSMG5 * (+557) i added another idea
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19:08:35 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178955&oldid=178954 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+218) /* General Ideas */
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19:39:52 <Yayimhere> how are you all doing at this time
19:42:07 <Yayimhere> recently I had an idea of a language that when given itself as input in Stdin, its returns itself, however for any other input it doesn't. it isn't that interesting on its own I guess, but I think something interesting could be made from it, with some secondary idea attached to it
19:44:20 <Yayimhere> i was thinking of making it a Crab's Jukebox style language, where the program reads its program as if it was the record
19:46:26 <ais523> Yayimhere: I saw that on the list of ideas
19:46:48 <ais523> in korvo-language that would be "each function definable in the language is its own only fixed point"
19:47:23 <Yayimhere> also surprising that you saw it so quick
19:47:30 <Yayimhere> maybe I shouldn't be that surprised though
19:47:54 <ais523> it feels like the sort of problem where either it's impossible, or there's some trick to make it possible but that isn't very interesting (along the lines of languages which are quine-free onyl because the print statement doesn't work if it would output something that matches the source code)
19:48:04 <korvo> Hm, through some sort of structure? Or just as an axiom?
19:48:28 <ais523> I tend to look at your (Yayimhere's) edits faster than other people's because they're more likely to be interesting
19:48:59 <Yayimhere> i assume that is a compliment right?
19:49:15 <korvo> Yeah, exactly. Or flip it. You could always have each function store some sort of copy of itself, and the function detects that copy; otherwise, all functions have to *not* have fixed points. That's easier than it sounds.
19:49:29 <ais523> some edits are likely to need admin attention and those I also look at more quickly, but that's less of a positive
19:50:12 <Yayimhere> korvo: i was thinking of making the programs be some sort text reader that skips certain parts of text, or re-read some, based on some sort of syntax defined in the program
19:50:22 <Yayimhere> then this would be restricted in such a way that
19:51:22 <ais523> now I'm thinking along the lines of "language which always maps 0 to 0" and then you xor the input and output with the source code
19:52:06 <Yayimhere> I think I'll go sit with some paper tomorrow to make it a little easier to think about(which is a thing ive begun doing)
19:52:52 <Yayimhere> but I am certainly interested in peoples solutions
19:53:03 <ais523> and now I'm thinking about https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/175365/transformers-in-disguise-cops-thread which is sort-of related (it's a series of challenges along the lines of "a program that was given itself as input outputted string X, given any other input it would output something else, find the program" under a size limit to try to ensure that there's only one solution)
19:53:38 <ais523> ugh, but it has a lot more adverts than it used to, I'd recommend using an ad blocker
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19:54:10 <Yayimhere> I dont actually know if safari has such things as extentions(and thereby Ad blockers)
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20:01:25 <Yayimhere> ill go read that thread later, thanks for showing it to me
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20:43:09 <zzo38> Some ads can be avoided by disabling JavaScripts, and by some other stuff, so a specialized ad blocker is not necessarily needed
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03:43:05 <b_jonas> In RISC-V specification, in https://docs.riscv.org/reference/isa/unpriv/zihintntl.html table 1 seems to be missing size bounds. What is that table supposed to be saying? This problem is present in both the HTML and PDF versions of the manual.
03:56:50 <int-e> b_jonas: Oh, great. This used to be a .tex file: https://github.com/riscv/riscv-isa-manual/blob/cd9764fde9c704fb63e519eb7774e224835ee5f8/src/zihintntl.tex#L68-L84
03:58:14 <int-e> (the next commit removes the .tex file; you can see the .adoc version right beside it and it's missing the numbers)
04:29:39 <zzo38> I had thought, if the graphics card that I had described would be made, although 3D graphics is not one of the features I had considered important, I would consider video playback to be one; you might want to play two videos at once for the purpose of comparison but I think not more than two at once would be needed.
04:30:19 <zzo38> When doing video playback, I had considered that the low 4-bits of each channel can be used for opacity so that you can overlay translucent captions on the video.
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09:10:51 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178969&oldid=178410 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+447) forgot one esolang
09:11:09 <esolangs> [[Spore]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178970&oldid=178952 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+52)
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10:15:32 <esolangs> [[Mathlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178974&oldid=178973 * Dragoneater67 * (+1) /* */ grrr where spaces
10:20:20 <dragoneater67> also, whats that {{User's path|username=User:Yayimhere}} thing on your userpage for?
10:21:32 <Yayimhere> solve https://esolangs.org/wiki/Final_Word_Of_The_Day
10:21:44 <Yayimhere> (and feeel free. to ask any questions while trying)
10:23:03 <esolangs> [[Mathlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178975&oldid=178974 * Esolang lover123 * (+72)
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11:51:42 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178977&oldid=178976 * Dragoneater67 * (+21) whynot
11:52:18 <Yayimhere> dragoneatter67 thats not used for user pages, its used for like moderately famous people in our community
12:10:30 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178978&oldid=178977 * Dragoneater67 * (-21)
12:12:57 <dragoneater67> ive come to conclusion that first 2 properties are trivially cheesed
12:13:36 <Yayimhere> yea, but then MIAUMIAU would also be a quine
12:14:41 <Yayimhere> that works! you cant have any other printing though
12:14:59 <Yayimhere> ya still have to fix the narcissist thing
12:15:05 <ais523> I haven't heard the word "cheesing" applied to esolangs before, but I like it – it fits very well, analogous with the same context in computer games
12:16:24 <dragoneater67> my general idea is that since arbitrary i/o is not neccessary, so i can just restrict it enough to fit very specific usecases
12:20:53 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178979&oldid=178219 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-31)
12:28:25 <Yayimhere> btw dragoneater67, I think the narrcicist thing cna be done by making the input command always do narrcicist stuff
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13:03:19 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178981&oldid=176044 * Dragoneater67 * (-7727) <dragoneater67> this should look like i sent an irc message on some clients!
13:05:14 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178982&oldid=178959 * * (+115) /* Introductions */
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13:23:44 <esolangs> [[2D-Reversable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178983&oldid=178846 * Dulph * (+80)
13:26:02 <dragoneater67> what does "every FWOTD command given as input to another FWOTD command could be replaced by a third FWOTD command" mean?
13:26:31 <esolangs> [[2D-Reversable/Python Implementation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178984&oldid=178818 * Dulph * (+128)
13:26:37 <Yayimhere> it practically implies commands can be applied like functions to other commands
13:27:07 <Yayimhere> and those are always rewritable as another command in the set
13:27:24 <Yayimhere> (note that it says this doesnt apply to commands that are created using this process)
13:27:32 <esolangs> [[2D-Reversable 2/Python Implementation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178985&oldid=178825 * Dulph * (+128)
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13:28:52 <esolangs> [[2D-Reversable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178987&oldid=178983 * Dulph * (+44)
13:29:14 <esolangs> [[Reversable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178988&oldid=178815 * Dulph * (+124)
13:29:30 <int-e> b_jonas: https://github.com/riscv/riscv-isa-manual/pull/2821 (do you want and credit there?)
13:40:07 <b_jonas> int-e: wait, there's a typo in your patch, it now says "greater 1 MiB than" instead of "greater than 1 MiB"
13:41:07 <int-e> b_jonas: so how do I credit you in a github context :P
13:41:18 <int-e> without referring to this place
13:42:51 <b_jonas> https://github.com/b-jonas0
13:48:42 <int-e> b_jonas: Fixed, thanks. Also mentioned you.
13:48:59 <int-e> b_jonas: However, also decided I can't be arsed to make it more than a draft.
13:50:50 <int-e> (Also, ridiculously, they want signed commits. But they don't sign their own stuff.)
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14:07:06 <dragoneater67> does rule 5 mean that FWOTD can only execute the input ONLY if it equals its own source code?
14:08:55 <int-e> Oh I guess signing commits is easy enough to do even though I do not see the point.
14:09:32 <Yayimhere> dragoneatter67: no, each self interpret just also does the narcissist check
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14:11:21 <b_jonas> Question. Does the following Thue-like string replacement esolang have a name? The program has a starting string state and an infinitely looping sequence of fixed substring search and replaces. The instructions are executed in sequence, they always find the first match in the state string and replace just that one match, and if no match is found you get undefined behavior. This means the length of the
14:11:27 <b_jonas> state will always grow by a constant in each loop iteration, and you effectively program this by having an instruction that appends trailing junk to the string to ensure that the other instructions always match.
14:11:59 <esolangs> [[Tetrahedron]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178989&oldid=177700 * Cleverxia * (+54) yes, children, I'm back
14:12:07 <ais523> b_jonas: there are lots of esolangs that do that sort of thing but I don't think I've ever seen that exact combination
14:12:09 <b_jonas> I guess that's kind of a boring wasteful subset of 1.1
14:12:59 <ais523> it isn't a refinement of Thupit due to the "every rule must always match at the point where it appears"
14:13:03 <ais523> in fact I'm not even sure it's TC
14:13:25 <ais523> if you already know the search string will be there exactly once, how do you do a conditional?
14:14:04 <b_jonas> ais523: the trailing part of the string state will be junk, so your instructions match there if the conditional should skip
14:14:34 <ais523> b_jonas: oh, first match
14:14:42 <ais523> for some reason I thought the requirement was to have exactly one match rather than at least one
14:17:11 <b_jonas> int-e: re https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-insane-fini.jpg , how many different shapes is this trying to deliver to the hub at the same time?
14:18:20 <Yayimhere> dragoneater67: no, each self interpret just also does the narcissist check (I resent this since I think I dont think you saw it cuz it didnt tag properly
14:18:34 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178990&oldid=178946 * Cleverxia * (+609)
14:19:08 <int-e> b_jonas: the game has 2 randomized shapes, one without crystals and one with crystals. So you get two different MAMs. I have two copies of each.
14:20:07 <int-e> Also in this particular scenario, shapes have 5 slices instead of 4.
14:23:30 <int-e> (so each MAM has 5 stages)
14:23:31 <b_jonas> int-e: I thought there were 5 infinite series of randomized shapes, at least in the hardest mode
14:23:59 <b_jonas> I must have misunderstood something
14:24:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yayimhere/INFINITIES]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178991 * Cleverxia * (+116) Created page with "If i'm not getting it wrong, it gets up to (1,1,1) ~~~"
14:25:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yayimhere/INFINITIES]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178992&oldid=178991 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+248)
14:26:34 <int-e> Hmm. No, it has 2 more fixed operator shapes than the other scenarios: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-700i.jpg ("insane") vs. https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-700.jpg ("regular") and https://shapez2.wiki.gg/wiki/Operator_Level#Requirements for the other two scenarios
14:31:11 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yayimhere/INFINITIES]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178993&oldid=178992 * Cleverxia * (+322)
14:32:03 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yayimhere/INFINITIES]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178994&oldid=178993 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+176)
14:37:46 <int-e> b_jonas: The only use of the number 5 that I can think of is the increased number of slices.
14:37:56 <int-e> I guess it's not really important :)
14:41:07 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yayimhere/INFINITIES]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178995&oldid=178994 * Cleverxia * (+49)
14:45:26 <esolangs> [[Rizzlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178996&oldid=165866 * ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword * (-1) bro wth was that \ doin
14:47:30 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yayimhere/INFINITIES]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178997&oldid=178995 * Dragoneater67 * (+43) sign ur comments cleverxia
14:49:22 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=178998&oldid=178990 * Dragoneater67 * (-25) the esolang no longer exists
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14:54:30 <int-e> b_jonas: Oh on the off chance that you're wondering: there's no reason for the train terminals (to the far left and far right) to be flat like that; I could use 3 floors and fit them into 2 rows instead of 5. Which I'd do if I were serious about scaling things up further.
14:55:42 <int-e> (There *was* a reason: I used the same layout for an ad-hoc space where I made one-off factories. And it's *much* easier to do routing when you have some extra space. Also easier to remember what shape is delivered where.)
15:06:57 <esolangs> [[Here's Some Predefined Stuff. Now Go Invent Everything Else]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=178999 * ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword * (+2055) the "i'm getting too lazy" language
15:07:29 <esolangs> [[Here's Some Predefined Stuff. Now Go Invent Everything Else]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179000&oldid=178999 * ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword * (+4) formatting gone wrong
15:12:23 <esolangs> [[Here's Some Predefined Stuff. Now Go Invent Everything Else]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179001&oldid=179000 * Cleverxia * (+15)
15:13:03 <korvo> dragoneater67, Yayimhere: I think FWoTD can't be defined. In particular, I'm not sure how to restrict the diagonal lemma in a Turing-complete setting so that it only generates one quine.
15:14:27 <Yayimhere> korvo hmmm. i hadn't thought of that. though there is not a restriction of "free output" here, so I dont know
15:14:59 <korvo> Yayimhere: Are you familiar with the idea that a program in a TC system can access its own source code?
15:15:20 <Yayimhere> korvo: no I had no heard that before
15:15:33 <korvo> What we actually mean is that, for any program in a TC system, there's an equivalent program which has access to a copy of its source code. It doesn't literally read its own memory.
15:16:07 <Yayimhere> well FWoTD doesnt remove all Quines, just one NON rotary one
15:16:28 <korvo> So if you have the ability to express Python-like lambdas, `lambda x: f(x)`, then there's always going to be the ability to augment that into `lambda x, source: print(source) or f(x)`
15:17:12 <korvo> dragoneater67: But then is it still TC?
15:17:44 <Yayimhere> like if you can only output a single character
15:18:12 <Yayimhere> like, minsky machine, with the command `E` which prints E. and then no other I/O
15:18:21 <korvo> Well, then what are you computing? Systems without I/O can only be TC in the sense that it's not decidable whether they halt; in order to talk about arbitrary effects, we do need to talk about the state of the system, including internal state.
15:20:00 <Yayimhere> in the case of `E` here, it could perhaps also replace every instance after it with increment of register 1, ju8st for example
15:20:24 <Yayimhere> but again, FWoTD does allow rotary quines
15:20:51 <dragoneater67> i dont understand how restricted i/o could hurt turing completeness
15:21:44 <korvo> Well, TC-ness is about being able to emit any computable sequence of symbols. It's inherently about output.
15:22:04 <korvo> (It's inherently about not halting, but Turing defined halting in terms of emitting symbols. See [[computable]] for details.)
15:23:55 <Yayimhere> I wonder what issues is with my construct above
15:24:26 <dragoneater67> if in brainfuck, . and , output into hidden append-only log, and theres an additional command called ? that just prints ?, is it turing-incomplete?
15:25:05 <Yayimhere> then you just look in the append only log I assume
15:25:30 <Yayimhere> then does it really count as output?
15:26:07 <korvo> dragoneater67: The inner behavior is still TC when we take that log into account. Your design is almost exactly like Turing's.
15:26:32 <dragoneater67> so we can have turing completeness with restricted i/o???
15:27:01 <korvo> dragoneater67: I think that you should pause for a moment. What does TC mean?
15:28:00 <dragoneater67> a finite state automaton hooked up to an infinite tape, or anything reducable to a finite state automaton hooked up to an infinite tape
15:28:03 <korvo> Maybe I shouldn't be Socratic. A TC system can encode any Turing machine, right? So that means that, for any Turing machine, the TC system has a program which faithfully emulates that machine.
15:29:16 <korvo> Don't worry about reducing your system to Turing machines. Either your system is computable, in which case it's reducible, or it's not computable. Computability is more important.
15:30:43 <int-e> "faithful" is vague here, isn't it. (The definitions I'm familiar with care about acceptance, rejection, or possibly just about termination vs. non-termination)
15:30:57 <korvo> So, for BF that only prints ?, there's still TC questions. The analogue of (Beeping) Busy Beaver is here: for a fixed size of programs, what's the largest program that prints finitely many ? There's also circular Halting: for a fixed program, how many ? does it print?
15:32:32 <korvo> int-e: I'm using it in the category-theoretic sense of "faithful functor", a categorified embedding. But yeah, we aren't actually putting in the work. Turing showed that acceptance and rejection can encapsulate all other questions of computability, and I guess we've been using that shortcut ever since.
15:32:43 <int-e> ("faithful" might imply a much more finely grained correspondance where you have to be able to effectively identify tapes, states, and execution steps)
15:33:46 <dragoneater67> i think that we can encode the tape into a large unary number, then output it using the ? instruction
15:34:00 <korvo> dragoneater67: I suppose that the insight I'm getting at is: either you're TC, so you can emit any computable sequence including sequences which code for the current program (quines), or you're not TC.
15:34:38 <Yayimhere> but then, what about the quineless thing that was talked about on sjmg(I think)'s talk page
15:35:08 <dragoneater67> i just realized that this also implies that we can encode the program's source code into a large unary prime and output it
15:36:03 <korvo> Hofstadter would say that it's still a self-rep. I don't know if he used the word "pseudoquine" but I could check.
15:36:10 <int-e> korvo: You realize that saying "in the category-theoretic sense" raises more questions than it answers ;-) (Apart from the extra level of obfuscation (subjective), it really doesn't say wht observables of TMs you care about, which was the point I was trying to make.)
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15:36:21 <ais523> korvo: I would say "encode" rather than "emit" – languages can be TC without having any reasonable form of output
15:36:43 <Yayimhere> I changed the definition for it to be a little more precise of the type of quine
15:36:57 <ais523> but they have to be able to somehow internally represent any structure, which can be used as an output substitute but might be hard to decode
15:37:19 <korvo> int-e: Oh, sorry. In category theory, we can only identify up to isomorphism; if two TMs have isomorphic behavior then they might as well be a single object. I don't really care about which notion of isomorphism we're using though; it can be uncomputable.
15:37:31 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179003&oldid=179002 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+27) /* Properties */
15:37:52 <Yayimhere> specifically to standard terminal out, not in program mmemory
15:38:09 <korvo> ais523: Right, we have to be able to slice open the egg and see what was developing. And the insides cannot be too organized or else they can be interpreted like syntax, defeating Rice's theorem.
15:38:24 <int-e> korvo: You're still making the observables implicit!
15:38:41 <int-e> Anyway, I'll relent.
15:39:05 <Yayimhere> this was what I'd call an interesting conversation
15:39:12 <korvo> int-e: It's all good. I think that your question's well-motivated. But isn't a TM just a set-theoretic object? Like, isn't it a tuple?
15:40:51 <korvo> ...Sorry, I realize that I'm just making you invent the observables that you care about. I think we can care about Turing's observables for now. The issue is then, well, what of I/O? Turing was talking about emitting initial segments of computable binary sequences.
15:41:15 <korvo> Yayimhere: What do you think about the diagonal lemma?
15:42:04 <int-e> A TM can be seen through many lenses: 1) A typle of states and symboles and transitions etc. 2) A function from starting configuration to execution traces (streams of configurations) 2) Partial functions from initial configuration (or some import encoding it) to a final configuration (or decoded output) 3) same, but specifically only look at whether the final state is an accepting state or not.
15:42:39 <int-e> This doesn't change just because you're using category theory.
15:42:46 <Yayimhere> korvo: i have not heard of it, but I will look it up
15:42:55 <int-e> Except that 1) would become very awkard :P
15:44:10 <dragoneater67> the idea i always had about TMs is that arbitrary i/o is unneccessary if everything can be encoded in the program's internal state
15:44:11 <korvo> Yep. We do get another lens, though: 4) a computational universe or Turing category: a category with N where every object can be encoded and decoded into N. It's similar to (2) but arrows are computable rather than partial; instead of getting stuck they can "run" forever.
15:47:38 <int-e> korvo: That helps flesh out the picture.
15:48:06 <int-e> (My list could never have been exhaustive, of course.)
15:48:30 <korvo> int-e: Here's a taste of the power of (4). In a computable universe, for any object C, there's a total isomorphism N → C; this is the coding of C in N. Also the universe is Cartesian closed. So there's a total isomorphism N → [N, N].
15:49:13 <int-e> Yeah I can map that back to what I know about recursive and partial recursive functions.
15:49:14 <Yayimhere> but, korvo, do you think my definition of a quine works better now?
15:49:56 <korvo> An object Y has the fixed-point property when for all t : Y → Y there exists y : Y s.t. t(y) = y; that is, all endomorphisms on Y have fixed points. Then, because isomorphisms are surjections, the code N → [N, N] has the fixed-point property. That's Kleene's second recursion theorem, also called Rogers' fixed point, and it is usually way nastier to prove.
15:50:47 <int-e> (Tangentially... maybe I should configure my client to ask for confirmation whenever I type ":P". I wonder whether it can even do that.)
15:51:24 <korvo> Yayimhere: Not really. I think that you haven't quite approached what I mentioned earlier: the diagonal lemma in a TC system makes it so that any program can have a copy of its own source code, so it's hard to imagine a TC system that forbids quines. (If there were no quines then we could add exactly one quine, as you know.)
15:55:01 <korvo> It's okay to not have a solution for this. It's also okay to come up with something extremely clever which I don't accept at first. I do think that this is a good example of why we can't ignore complexity theory when designing languages.
15:55:41 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179004&oldid=179003 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+25)
15:55:50 <korvo> (It's also an excellent example of why we should implement languages as we design them. If you had a private Python script implementing a solution then you could at least test the attempts that people make.)
15:57:26 <Yayimhere> at this point I am still a little confused on how, even if it is allowed for the program to be in memory, just not the terminal, it still is impossible
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15:58:08 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179006&oldid=179005 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+5) /* Properties */
15:59:17 <korvo> Yayimhere: I don't want to just quote myself, but I think I put it well on [[self-reproducing object]]. "Specifically, for any legal syntax fragment Q which is open on a single variable, there is a closed fragment Q("Q") which applies that fragment to its own quotation. Applying the diagonal lemma in this fashion is called quining."
16:00:16 <korvo> So you have to attack one of those premises: either it's not legal to have open programs somehow (hard!) or quotation somehow can't quote all programs (harder!)
16:00:40 <korvo> Like, the difference between `lambda x: 42` and `(lambda x: 42)(5)`. The former is open and the latter is closed.
16:00:56 <korvo> ...No, wait, that's wrong. Sorry.
16:01:09 <korvo> The difference between `x` and `lambda x: x`. The former is open and the latter is closed.
16:01:19 <korvo> Sorry, I'm clearly still asleep.
16:01:44 <korvo> ...No, that's wrong too. Fuck. I should eat breakfast.
16:02:20 <Yayimhere> oh wow you haven't? damn. yea, dont let me be a distraction from eating
16:03:12 <int-e> x is open (has a free variable). \x. x is closed (has no free variables)
16:04:00 <Yayimhere> anyways, I removed the Turing Complete requirement
16:05:08 <Yayimhere> (it is hard to ensure while designing anyway)
16:07:21 <korvo> Yayimhere: Yes. What I think you'll eventually find is that TC-ness is a natural barrier which happens to occur in lots of little systems when we apply them to the real world. Design your systems to solve real problems, numerical problems, geometric problems, combinatorial problems, and you'll find TC behavior.
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16:09:22 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179008&oldid=179007 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+2) /* Properties */
16:10:03 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179009&oldid=179008 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-12) /* Properties */
16:11:06 <korvo> int-e: Trust no one, not even me. >:3
16:15:09 <korvo> dragoneater67: Yes! And the evil witch who brought it to me was so nice. She was cackling the entire time and saying that it would change my life!
16:15:59 <int-e> korvo: Eh, I'm no stranger to the compounding effect of confusion.
16:16:37 <int-e> (Get one thing wrong, doubt everything.)
16:16:44 <korvo> int-e: If I'm wrong the first time, I'm probably still wrong the second time. Like, that's a track record of proven performance.
16:17:29 <int-e> the gamer term is tilting :)
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16:35:58 <Yayimhere> me myself have set dragon eater upon a task, and have been doing nothing but giving directions(and observing)
16:36:15 <Yayimhere> or I guess that is before the little discussion we had above
16:37:49 <Yayimhere> I saw you Mhm! language, I like it
16:37:55 <Yayimhere> though it still slightly confuses me
16:38:23 <aadenboy> I threw it together in one (half) school day
16:38:33 <Yayimhere> coould have a bit of a cleaner definition, but otherwise its good(I assume some of the weirdness is because its an April fools joke)
16:39:15 <aadenboy> it was definitely not extremely thought out (because it was originally an april fools joke)
16:39:33 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179010&oldid=178972 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+42) /* esolangs */
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16:40:06 <Yayimhere> if you'd be ok with it I'd like to make the article a little clearer.
16:40:22 <Yayimhere> (I know the be bold with editing thing but oh well)
16:44:38 <aadenboy> expanding the comments in the A+B program
16:45:05 <Yayimhere> im quite surprised ive caught you for once in a place where our time zones lime up lol
16:46:04 <aadenboy> I just haven't been logging on frequently lol
16:46:49 <Yayimhere> me neither(but thats because I left the community for a bit and then came back)
16:47:21 <korvo> You're doing fine. There are some folks who take multi-year breaks between editing sessions.
16:48:08 <Yayimhere> (i didnt intend it to seem like I was disappointed in myself for it or anything likee that)
16:52:58 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179011&oldid=178891 * Aadenboy * (+663) /* A+B Problem */
16:54:01 <aadenboy> Mhm!'s irreversable state reminds me of Countable
16:56:10 <Yayimhere> you recent languages seem like just a chain from iterate lol
16:57:16 <Yayimhere> its kinda similair to Do Minsky which happened a while ago
16:57:54 <Yayimhere> and filled up practically my whole interview with Daniel temkin lol
16:58:28 <aadenboy> been wanting to ask how that worked
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16:59:44 <Yayimhere> I just emailed him, and then he interview over email
16:59:57 <Yayimhere> he gives like he questions in lil' groups
17:01:04 <Yayimhere> i was so very surprised when he said yes
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17:17:04 <Yayimhere> btw aadenboy, do you want to do the same challeneg as dragoneater?
17:17:21 <aadenboy> I'm good, I'm working on other stuff atm
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18:34:08 <Yayimhere> i find it interesting how sometimes IRC will show the quit message but not the join message
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18:37:39 <dragoneater68> im not on my main dragoneater67 acc bc its taken by my laptop
18:37:50 <FireFly> Yayimhere: depends on the client.. both get sent by server (join & quit I mean)
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18:38:49 <FireFly> the joins and quits can get noisy in some channels, so some clients have (more or less smart) filters and settings to filter them out
18:39:05 <FireFly> I'm not sure what the current webchat does really
18:40:04 <Yayimhere> i srsly dont know that much 'bout IRC whatsoever
18:40:22 <somefan> i used libera, when users join and quit with no say, the join/quit messages cancel out i think
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18:40:49 <Yayimhere> I know, but I mean, I know nothing about clients, the inner workings, ect.
18:41:27 <somefan> i'm currently reading the irc client protocol (rfc 2812)
18:42:08 <somefan> i'm using it to build my own client, it's exhaustive, but it may help with learning the internals
18:42:20 <FireFly> I use weechat, works well enough for me
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18:43:19 <Yayimhere> its just the same as having to reload discord every other second for some reason
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18:46:40 <ais523> dragoneater81: that's tricky to do in a generalised way because the Collatz conjecture is very close to being Turing-complete on its own
18:46:58 <Yayimhere> idk if we are talking 'bout the same ting
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18:48:00 <ais523> Yayimhere: the original collatz function halves even numbers and calculates 3n+1 for odd numbers
18:48:29 <ais523> and the conjecture is that if you iterate it, it reaches 1 from any positive integer
18:49:18 <dragoneater68> lets say that we have an unbounded nonnegative integer accumulator A
18:49:35 <ais523> if you replace "odd" and "even" by values modulo a number other than 2, and allow arbitrary scale factors (the original Collatz function uses ½ and 3 as the scale factors), it's Turing-complete
18:49:54 <dragoneater68> the program runs in an implicit infinite loop (e.g. when end is reached, it loops back to start)
18:49:55 <ais523> the specific choie of numbers ½n+0 and 3n+1 aren't known to be Turing-complete, though
18:50:20 <ais523> the addition isn't needed for TCness, either, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Tip is TC using just the multiplication
18:51:18 <ais523> and another interesting special case is when all the scale factors are the same (and only the additive factor changes), this one isn't known to be TC but appears in multiple unsolved problems
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18:52:23 <ais523> e.g. the Hydra/Antihydra problem maps even n to 1½n and odd n to 1½n-½, and asks whether you ever end up with an extreme bias in odd versus even results (twice as many of one as the other)
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18:52:37 <ais523> it really seems like it shouldn't but it is extremely hard to prove this
18:55:02 <b_jonas> oh, so in that set of Collatz functions, you allow the program to give as many different scaling factors as your modulus?
18:55:41 <ais523> b_jonas: in traditional generalized Collatz and Tip, you can have a different scale factor for every value of the modulus, yes
18:55:55 <ais523> e.g. ½ and 3 in the original Collatz function
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18:56:41 <ais523> I use "consistent Collatz" as a name for the version where all the scale factors are the same (this is the version that https://esolangs.org/wiki/Feed_the_Chaos implements)
18:57:07 <Yayimhere> wbu collatz where its always a value under one for the first value?
18:57:20 <Yayimhere> in other words it always divides(by an integer)
18:57:21 <ais523> consistent Collatz can be simulated in quasilinear time despite the size of the numbers growing exponentially
18:57:59 <ais523> Yayimhere: I have to be careful talking about this, because I studied it for languages like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Conedy but I think I screwed up / got confused, so my memories about how this works are based on incorrect data
18:59:25 <ais523> in general I am surprisingly bad at reasoning about this sort of "inverted Collatz" where you are using values between 0 and 1 and scaling based on the interval, rather than using integers and scaling based on the modulus
19:00:27 <int-e> . o O ( arithmetic coding vs range coding )
19:00:44 <ais523> int-e: huh, that does seem very related
19:01:25 <Yayimhere> is there a "branchless" way to define generalized collatz btw? or atleast is one known
19:01:55 <b_jonas> I had heard that some generalizations of Collatz are computationally hard, but without explanation, and this generalization is a nice explanation for thiat
19:02:14 <ais523> Yayimhere: you need something conditional-like but it can be a branchless conditional
19:02:33 <ais523> e.g. a Tip interpreter usually isn't branchy at all, it just takes the modulus, indexes into an array, and multiplies
19:02:44 <ais523> but array indexing is basically a form of branchless conditional
19:02:45 <int-e> ais523: oh there is a connection there at a conceptual level; I just don't see that it's useful if your goal is to tackle the Collatz type conjectures
19:02:50 <b_jonas> specifically I heard this as explanation for why eg. Turing-machines with very few states and symbols can have hard to predict behavior
19:03:00 <ais523> int-e: my goal is more to work out Conedy's computational class
19:04:14 <ais523> I would describe what the language does as follows: you have a working number which is a bounded rational (going out of bounds = halt), you can jump based on whether it is greater than or less than a fixed rational, you can also add, subtract, multiply by or divide by a constant
19:04:33 <ais523> and I originally assumed this was analogous to generalized Collatz and then realised that it wasn't
19:04:37 <ais523> because you can't do a modulo test
19:06:18 <korvo> dragoneater67: I found catgirl to be quite nice too.
19:08:09 <b_jonas> that's a nice natural-sounding description
19:08:32 <int-e> ais523: ah you made the nets closed. awkward
19:08:55 <int-e> (but eh, several things are awkward compared to Trajedy)
19:10:26 <aadenboy> dragoneater67: I'm using an older KVIrc client
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19:21:03 <ais523> int-e: I don't even think closedness versus openness matters here? if hitting a net is closed, missing it is open
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19:23:03 <int-e> ais523: Hmm, maybe. But this prevents you from making a closed diagonal line of nets, for example, the way you can with mirrors in Trajedy. But yeah maybe you don't have to.
19:29:45 <int-e> I see that closedness makes defining things easier; to make open nets work, you'd have to do the ray intersection test with the open net, but then still use the closed one for finding the point of collision and determining the new trajectory.
19:34:37 <somefan> i meant gamja, not libera, the irc server itself. libera also has kiwi as a web client, but i'm not sure how that differs
19:34:57 <Yayimhere> I think ive made an interesting idea for a lang
19:36:10 <Yayimhere> in which every cell holds a reference to a subsection of the whole tape(which ofcourse itself nests, and so on)
19:36:24 <Yayimhere> and then you'd be able to change which section, making very non local changes
19:36:33 <Yayimhere> and you'd be able to nest into the cell ofc
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22:29:58 <Sgeo> Some time ago someone here wrote some Burroughs E101 code. I should probably figure out where, since I've resumed writing my E101 emulator
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01:13:40 <Sgeo> int-e and sorear both wrote sorter things for E101 but the debian pastebin expired. I saved sorear's
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01:39:41 <Sgeo> ...or maybe it was pseudocode, sorry.
01:39:44 <Sgeo> I don't remember
01:40:05 <int-e> it's likely lost anyway
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04:10:43 <esolangs> [[Here's Some Predefined Stuff. Now Go Invent Everything Else]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179014&oldid=179013 * ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword * (+102) i forgor the categories and some stuff
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04:39:03 <esolangs> [[Here's Some Predefined Stuff. Now Go Invent Everything Else]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179016&oldid=179015 * ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword * (+18) categories gone wrong
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05:22:26 <esolangs> [[Minus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179018&oldid=179017 * Tpaefawzen * (+475) Two levels of specs
05:32:36 <esolangs> [[Minus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179019&oldid=179018 * Tpaefawzen * (+29) /* Extensions */ +1
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06:03:24 <ais523> much the same as yesterday I think
06:07:15 <esolangs> [[The Second Coming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179020&oldid=178579 * PrySigneToFry * (+88)
06:10:54 <Yayimhere> me myself am fine, just a little sleepy
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07:34:11 <esolangs> [[+!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179022&oldid=179021 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-1)
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09:23:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179025&oldid=179024 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1) /* Negative indexed cells? */
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09:46:32 <esolangs> [[Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179027&oldid=179026 * Cleverxia * (+128) /* math.googology */
09:54:03 <esolangs> [[Mathlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179028&oldid=178975 * Cleverxia * (+215) /* Commands */ fix a lot of bugs to interpret it, the most important being mixing postfix and infix
09:56:31 <esolangs> [[Mathlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179029&oldid=179028 * Cleverxia * (+121) /* Examples */
10:21:48 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179030&oldid=176275 * None1 * (-523) Change spec of whole language, the older one cease to exist
10:23:54 <esolangs> [[Functionable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179031&oldid=178868 * PKMN Trainer * (+3) /* Hello World */
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12:41:24 <esolangs> [[Codesh ()]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179033&oldid=179032 * StavWasPlayZ * (+1)
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12:45:00 <esolangs> [[Codesh ()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179036&oldid=179035 * StavWasPlayZ * (-52)
12:48:56 <esolangs> [[Codesh ()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179037&oldid=179036 * StavWasPlayZ * (+109)
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13:57:40 <int-e> b_jonas: Oh the riscv PR got merged without further ado. Yay.
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14:18:00 <b_jonas> int-e: yes, but we have to wait until it propagates from the source into the downloadable documents
14:30:35 <b_jonas> this reminds me of https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21383 , though that turned out to be a bug in the tool used for format conversion (texinfo)
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16:13:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179040&oldid=179025 * Aadenboy * (+357)
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16:58:07 <esolangs> [[Codesh ()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179042&oldid=179037 * StavWasPlayZ * (+222)
17:00:38 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179043&oldid=179011 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+118) I did a rewrite to make the memory space a little more intuitive/easy to understand, feel free to correct any mistakes. Note that I "flipped" the tape, since it makes sense because the positive indexed cells cant be indexed
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17:06:12 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179044&oldid=179043 * Aadenboy * (-13) flipping these
17:07:45 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179045&oldid=179044 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+33) /* Memory */
17:08:23 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179046&oldid=179045 * Aadenboy * (+11) 0 indexed
17:09:00 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179047&oldid=179046 * Aadenboy * (-1) forgot this
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17:21:32 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179049&oldid=178840 * Aadenboy * (+405) /* Mhm! */ update this
17:22:18 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179050&oldid=178838 * Aadenboy * (-105) update Mhm! program
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17:46:58 <Yayimhere> (me myself am good, the creative juices are flowing well)
17:48:35 <korvo> Yet another respected computer scientist has lost their mind to a chatbot: https://lobste.rs/s/063ldo/why_lean
17:49:05 <Yayimhere> lost their mind in what sense of the expression
17:50:44 <korvo> In terms of Hofstadter minds, I mean that they partially exported their cognition to the chatbot. The chatbot isn't a deterministic tool or reliable physical artifact, so the export is never complete; the resulting mind can't perceive that a huge bite has been taken out of it.
17:51:35 <korvo> Think of a glove. When you put on the glove, for a few minutes, everything feels strange to your fingers. But eventually you adapt and you can treat the glove as if it were your actual hand, because the signals transmitted to your brain are now glove-encoded instead of bare-hand-encoded.
17:51:57 <korvo> And then when you take it off, your brain adjusts again. We've done experiments replicating this effect for vision, hearing, and a few other senses.
17:53:12 <korvo> Anyway, this guy's one of the authors of Lean. I think Lean sucks, but that's just my personal opinion. Here, he says a lot of wrong and misleading things about Lean in order to promote it. That seems normal for a marketer or intern, but he's a senior researcher and one of the original authors!
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17:53:57 <Yayimhere> ive never heard of lean myself, but I dont suspect it being worth the time to look into
17:54:34 <korvo> You should definitely take a look so that you can recognize its syntax. However, if you actually want to *use* it, I would politely suggest that you try Idris 2 instead; Idris is a much simpler language with roughly the same quality of tooling.
17:55:12 <Yayimhere> and what did you think of my... clarification? rewrite? who knows
17:55:33 <aadenboy> I'm good! and your clarification was helpful
17:55:39 <aadenboy> def good choice to flip the tape around
17:56:00 <Yayimhere> though perhaps the choice of symbols will be a little strange now
17:56:22 <Yayimhere> also, I assume unusable cells cannot be nested into
17:56:33 <aadenboy> I flipped the commands around so they make sense too
17:57:13 <Yayimhere> (right now im trying to look into Stratego/XT, which is taking a bit of time cuz im getting distracted)
17:58:28 <Yayimhere> a software transformations language thing
17:58:43 <Yayimhere> I found out it existed while trying to find a GPL that is based on string rewriting
18:00:45 <Yayimhere> anyways, I was interested in your idea of memory either being recursive, or unusable
18:00:50 <korvo> What does "based on" mean? Like, I could say Python is a string-rewriter, in the sense that there are extremely tortured rules with transitions like `(lambda x: x + 1)(5)` -> `6`.
18:01:20 <korvo> Most of the languages that you're going to find which *only* do string-rewriting are therefore going to be *meta* languages; they're languages for describing compilers, linters, type-checkers, etc.
18:01:24 <int-e> korvo: That first paragraph makes me cringe. And it leads *nowhere* (unless you vibe with vibes I guess. I don't.)
18:01:43 <esolangs> [[Adj]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179051&oldid=178852 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+26) Amended an instance of cacography and supplemented the page category tag Implemented.
18:01:56 <Yayimhere> korvo: mainly focused around? the main paradigm? the thing it was designed to do? something around there
18:02:05 <Yayimhere> but yea, it does all seem like metalanguages in what I found
18:02:12 <int-e> I mean: rando I've never heard of had a "wow" reaction to an incoherent list of bullet points with no discernable connection between them. Color me impressed.
18:02:36 <int-e> (I /can/ fill in a connection. But the text doesn't provide one.)
18:02:53 <korvo> int-e: The absolute numbers make it worse. Opening Mathlib at the REPL takes like 3GiB of RAM and several minutes wait. Verifying all of Mathlib at the REPL supposedly takes *hours*. The "Lean implemented in Lean" compiler relies on 8KLoC of unproven C++ kernel.
18:03:33 <int-e> I'm glad we're not using dead languages.
18:03:43 <korvo> Yeah, nothing obscure there.
18:03:53 <Yayimhere> "Lean"ing on nothing you could say? /j
18:04:49 <int-e> korvo: Note that if I wasn't somewhat sympathetic to the cause I would not read any of the later stuff anyway.
18:05:03 <korvo> Yayimhere: Sure. So, the big reason that tree rewriting became more popular is that strings have no abstractive horizon. Like, imagine doing natural numbers with pure string rewriting. You could count in unary but that's inefficient. You could use binary but that would require extra rules for every operation to specify rules like carrying during addition.
18:05:58 <Yayimhere> korvo: yea. its not that surprising, really(and I'd assume strings arent that efficient over other data structures, both for manipulating and storing data)
18:06:04 <korvo> int-e: I'm not wholly disconnected from it either. I'm thinking about contributing a little to rpylean, an alternative kernel in RPython.
18:07:28 <Yayimhere> also, arent matrices kinda just restricted trees(since trees are also just nested arrays, right?)
18:07:47 <Yayimhere> I know this is kinda off topic but, oh well
18:07:51 <korvo> Yayimhere: There's a nice dovetail here. I think that, if you want to *use* a string-rewriting system today, you should use Metamath. If you really want to *invent* a new one then you need a good reason. For example, Zaddy's rationale is that I think I can figure out ACE-matching, which is kind of an open problem.
18:08:28 <Yayimhere> I think I'll start a reading list, actually
18:08:29 <korvo> Matrices are linear transformations! They're not at all trees. We only write them like that for traditional reasons. The higher-dimensional version of a matrix is a tensor.
18:16:04 <korvo> Yayimhere: You're really close to a deep insight, BTW. Like, everything we've been talking about is just pencil-and-paper, yeah? You could just draw trees on paper, or use matrix notation on paper, or write out strings on paper.
18:16:44 <korvo> Turing proved that we can only recognize finitely many distinct symbols on a finite piece of paper. Every piece of paper *is* a finite string.
18:16:53 <korvo> So *all* computation, from the beginning, was string rewriting.
18:17:34 <Yayimhere> huh. well then, maybe I should go look at a peice of paper a little more
18:17:50 <korvo> Also, how do you draw a tree? Well, you draw some symbols for nodes and some symbols for arrows, and you have to arrange the arrows with whitespace so that they point to the right nodes. So your string has a *dimensionality* to it, constraining how you can associate symbols to each other.
18:22:31 <ais523> korvo: fwiw I think the "correct" way to do integers in a string-rewriting language is for the program to see them as unary and the implementation to optimise them
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18:31:00 <korvo> ais523: Yeah, perhaps. Another decent approach is to only allow schematic rewriting: every rewriting rule is an axiom schema rather than a single concrete axiom. So `Sx + y` -> `S(x + y)` holds for all syntactic x and y. Metamath requires type annotations to make this work in practice.
18:31:33 <korvo> "type" is maybe the wrong word for a syntax class, but it's the one we've got.
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19:35:27 <b_jonas> ais523: it depends on what you want. if you want to use the esolang to run programs and especially readable programs then that makes sense. but if you want to prove that the language itself is capable of better performance then you might implement the numbers in binary (or some higher radix) in the string language. you can still have an optional optimized version in the emulator even in that case
19:35:33 <b_jonas> (optional because sometimes you want to turn the optimization on to test that your in-language implementation works correctly).
19:35:55 <ais523> I admit I'm something of a believer in the "sufficiently smart compiler" point of view
19:36:11 <ais523> especially when it comes to esolangs, which frequently can manage an O(n) speedup with some fairly simple optimisations
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19:42:31 <b_jonas> ais523: yeah, I was mostly thinking not of a smart compiler, but a library that implements arithmetic, with two implementations, one in the esolang and one in the emulator that uses the non-esoteric host's arithmetic capabilities
19:43:16 <ais523> arithmetic in INTERCAL generally requires a loop, and INTERCAL is very hard to optimise across statements due to things like computed COME FROM
19:43:46 <ais523> so in practice having hardcoded arithmetic subroutines gives you a lot of efficiency over trying to optimise ones written directly in iNTERCAL
19:43:49 <b_jonas> obviously this only applies to some esolangs
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20:07:42 <esolangs> [[Danicb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179052&oldid=139524 * Squidmanescape * (+36) I really should implement this.
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00:10:15 <b_jonas> would sigaltstack be able to instruct the operating system to restore some (arch-dependent) registers other than just the stack pointer to values saved at the time of the sigaltstack call? or would that break more portable uses of sigaltstack?
00:11:11 <b_jonas> you could imagine the register that stores the pointer to the thread-specific values table if you wish
00:12:21 <b_jonas> I don't mean the kernel would just look at the value of that register at the time when you call sigaltstack but that the program would fill that value in explicitly in the struct stack_t value that it passes to the sigaltstack call
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00:40:39 <b_jonas> I'm asking because the RISC-V ABI document, and it says three of the general-purpose registers are reserved to be used as stack pointer, global pointer, and per-thread pointer respectively, and these have to hold valid values at all times because signal handlers can rely on them. Presumably you can use sigaltstack to unreserve the stack pointer, but I wonder if you could unreserve the other two as well.
00:40:45 <b_jonas> There are 31 general-purpose registers in this arch, and they roughly correspond to how the 16 general-purpose registers are used in x86: there are separate floating-point registers if the CPU supports floating point, and separate vector registers if vector instructions are supported, so these usually store scalar integer values. 32 or 64 bit wide depending on whether this is the 32-bit or 64-bit RISC-V
00:40:51 <b_jonas> architecture -- the two are separate in userland, just like x86_32 and x86_64.
00:44:31 <b_jonas> So for some optimized hand-written inner loops, unreserving all three of those registers could be useful, even if you have to restore them outside of the inner loop because functions compiled normally can rely on them of course.
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01:11:49 <zzo38> I think I had mentioned "communist hands" in Texas Hold'em poker many years ago, but now I made up a way to make points for a poker hand with flower card (although maybe someone will want to make changes to it), so we can make the flower communist hands.
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01:59:35 <b_jonas> wait, why doesn't this ABI have a stack redzone? it was defined late enough that the technique was known
02:00:25 <b_jonas> and the instruction set can use signed immediate offsets encoded into load/store instructions so you can address below the stack pointer too
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07:07:39 <esolangs> [[(3+!+)%!+]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179059&oldid=179058 * Cleverxia * (+1) fix example
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10:58:12 <esolangs> [[(3+!+)%!+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179066&oldid=179065 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+32) /* Examples */
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10:27:04 <ais523> Yayimhere: I've been pretty busy recently
10:27:17 <ais523> and it's probably made trying to concentrate on programming even harder
10:27:26 <ais523> this morning I opened up the computer to start programming and then just didn't
10:28:55 <Yayimhere> also, what ended up happening with the FWoTD thing?
10:29:11 <dragoneater68> regarding fwotd: i came to conclusion that my solution sucks, so i didnt publish it
10:29:39 <dragoneater68> i think this is what ill do today since i dont have much else to do
10:29:49 <Yayimhere> btw the TC requirement was removed
10:31:14 <dragoneater68> whats the lowest computational class that can do looping counter?
10:32:00 <Yayimhere> it makes sense for Otto be that, because looping counter is linear
10:33:34 <Yayimhere> yea, but that bound grows by a linear function
10:35:22 <Yayimhere> idk what the smallest comp class can do narrcicists and quibbles and such though
10:38:23 <Yayimhere> thats for the quantum scientists to find out
10:40:48 <Yayimhere> I think. I just kinda get quantum mechanics a little bit
10:41:49 <Yayimhere> I get to the point that functions on a particle applies to all the super positions
10:41:56 <ais523> <dragoneater68> whats the lowest computational class that can do looping counter? ← the computational class "this language only has one command and it's a looping counter command"
10:42:48 <ais523> an LBA can't do a looping counter, incidentally, because looping counters have to be able to count up arbitrarily high and the distance an LBA can count is limited by the size of its input
10:43:19 <Yayimhere> I seem to have misunderstood an LBA then
10:43:32 <Yayimhere> I thought the linear function continued to be applied each iteration
10:43:41 <Yayimhere> what is that class called? does it have a name
10:44:08 <ais523> the looping counter class? I don't think we have a good name for classes that are specific to a single program or a few specific programs (like HQ9+'s computational class)
10:44:38 <ais523> I studied quantum computers as coursework at school, but it was at a very basic level
10:44:48 <Yayimhere> no I meant for the class where the memory size grows linearly with some linear function starting from the input
10:44:55 <ais523> Yayimhere: that's an LBA
10:44:56 <dragoneater68> i think that the current computational claases are too narrow
10:45:12 <ais523> it's an LBA if the memory size is set at the start of the program, as a linear function of the input size
10:45:40 <ais523> if it can change during the program (and grow indefinitely) it isn't an LBA, but the "linear" restriction doesn't really matter at that point, because you could just run the program really slowly to give the memory more time to grow
10:46:31 <Yayimhere> wait so if the function is exponential it could be the same as one thats linear
10:47:20 <ais523> there are some TC languages where the memory grows linearly, like https://esolangs.org/wiki/2C and its variants
10:48:10 <ais523> when 2C is simulating a function that requires exponential amounts of memory, it slows down exponentially to give the memory time to grow
10:49:40 <Yayimhere> is there a formal way to describe, in general, that exponential slow down of the program
10:49:52 <ais523> I think there should be but I don't know what it is
10:50:14 <Yayimhere> maybe thats undecidable for some programs though
10:52:25 <ais523> oh, hmm, there's some theorem about space complexity versus time complexity but I can't remember what it's called
10:52:45 <ais523> I think that might be what you're looking for, but I don't want to guess at the details because it is probably very sensitive to the exact way the theorem is worded
10:53:58 <dragoneater68> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immerman%E2%80%93Szelepcs%C3%A9nyi_theorem
10:55:38 <ais523> dragoneater68: that's an interesting theorem but it isn't the one I was thinking of
10:59:00 <dragoneater68> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_hierarchy_theorem
11:00:13 <ais523> huh, this isn't the one I wanted either, but it's really interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blum%27s_speedup_theorem
11:00:29 <ais523> dragoneater68: I'm looking for a theorem that relates space complexities to time complexities
11:04:30 <ais523> huh, that paper claims that EXPTIME = PSPACE, which would IIRC be a major result if true?
11:05:12 <ais523> it's also very recent (2024)
11:05:37 <ais523> I would be suspicious of it until it's been reviewed, there has been a history of mistakes made in computational class equivalency proofs
11:06:03 <Yayimhere> yea. but if its true, then I guess that could be. cool
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11:07:58 <ais523> so it's fairly obvious that anything that can be solved in polynomial space can be solved in exponential time, because there are only exponentially many possible states of a polynomially-sized memory
11:08:17 <ais523> and so you can just run the program until it finishes or starts repeating states, and that takes exponential time
11:08:25 <ais523> the other way would be a bit surprising (but not obviously impossible)
11:09:18 <ais523> I can't think of an obvious reason why finishing in exponential time would mean you only need polynomial amounts of memory
11:09:18 <b_jonas> yeah, that sounds very unlikely
11:10:23 <b_jonas> "finishing in exponential time would mean you only need polynomial amounts of memory" => note that to get the low amount of memory, you may need a different program that's much slower
11:10:53 <b_jonas> hold on, I think there was some recent surprising theorem like this, let me look up
11:11:26 <ais523> b_jonas: much slower but still only exponential, of course
11:14:41 <b_jonas> it's just that I don't think EXPTIME = PSPACE was the actual result, that's why I'm trying to look it up
11:14:55 <b_jonas> it was something surprising like that, but not quite that exactly
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11:20:48 <b_jonas> https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2025-09.html#lsj https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8680 every problem solvable in t time on a multi-tape Turing machine is also solvable in close to sqrt(t) space
11:20:55 <b_jonas> that was the surprising result
11:21:16 <b_jonas> it's certainly much weaker than EXPTIME = PSPACE would be
11:21:42 <b_jonas> paper is https://eccc.weizmann.ac.il/report/2025/017/
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11:22:56 <ais523> b_jonas: OK, I agree that that's surprising
11:23:43 <ais523> (and is the sort of theorem I was trying to find in the conversation earlier, determining space required based on time required)
11:26:51 <b_jonas> the abstract for that article also says "any language recognized in polynomial time can be recognized in almost logarithmic space" which I'd find much harder to believe, so I'm not convinced that this is a real result
11:27:18 <b_jonas> I mean the article https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.01184 that you linked earlier
11:29:39 <ais523> was dragoneater68 who linked it, not me, but yes, it is making some very surprising claims and thus (to me) falls into the "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" category
11:30:34 <ais523> I am not entirely ruling out the possibility, but it would take a lot of convincing to convince me that it has actually been solved
11:31:09 <ais523> (even if the result happens to be true, I think the odds of the proof being wrong are quite high)
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11:33:26 <ais523> that said, I can't quickly find counterexamples to "polytime recognition = logspace recognition", the first few languages I tried did have logspace recognition algorithms
11:34:03 <ais523> (assuming that we're talking about logarithmic additional space)
11:34:16 <b_jonas> ais523: no, I think that's one of those relations that are actually really hard to disprove
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11:34:38 <ais523> b_jonas: right, it isn't obviously etiher true or false
11:35:19 <ais523> I assume this is talking about P and L rather than NP and NL?
11:35:46 <b_jonas> specifically https://complexityzoo.net/Complexity_Zoo:E#exp says that "if L = P then PSPACE = EXP, so the first claim of that article is almost a consequence of the second, except the second in the article might be a slightly weaker result, it's unclear to me
11:41:17 <ais523> so NL is known to be contained in P, and L is obviously contained in NL
11:41:26 <ais523> so L = P would also imply L = NL
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11:44:15 <ais523> (the existing result that NL = co-NL would be obviously trivial in this setting, so that's some suggestion that L = NL = P might be possible)
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11:46:31 <ais523> heh, Wikipedia says that it isn't even known whether or not L = NP – I guess in a way that's also evidence that P might equal L!
11:46:54 <b_jonas> yeah, absolute separation theorems are hard
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11:47:38 <b_jonas> and if there was a real result like this then Scott Aaronson's blog would mention it, and I think if it had actually said PSPACE = EXPTIME I'd even remember it
11:47:47 <b_jonas> also the Complexity zoo would mention it
11:48:09 <ais523> this one is new enough to potentially be correct but not reviewed yet (but it's also new enough that mistakes in it might not have been caught yet)
11:49:01 <b_jonas> it's from 2023-11. I know mathematics can be slow, but for something that's a really big breakthrough we'd hear about it, at the very least hear about uncertainty because they're still checking the proof
11:59:01 <korvo> Yayimhere: Quantum mechanics is all about Hilbert space. We start with vector spaces over complex numbers. It's just a different way of working with numeric objects.
11:59:17 <korvo> Our intuition is Cartesian closed: we can copy and delete thoughts. QM doesn't allow that.
12:00:56 <korvo> ais523: Tangent to both conversations, Feynman's way of summing path integrals is in PSPACE. There is kind of a mystery about how that interacts with Holevo's theorem and Hardy's theorem, but it's a good example of EXPTIME intuitions turning into PSPACE algorithms.
12:04:15 <korvo> Yayimhere: Well, think about chemistry. If you have one beaker of water, there's no chemical reaction that will duplicate it into two beakers of water, right?
12:04:47 <korvo> Some quantities in QM are conserved; they don't change over time. This means no copying or deletion of stuff.
12:05:33 <ais523> the reversibiliity of quantum computing is interesting but I don't think it's the main point
12:06:46 <ais523> quantum computing is primarily weird because it's sort-of massively multithreaded with exponential threads (in the sense of a mathematically-nondeterministic system), but unlike typical nondeterminism, you don't get the "best result" or "least halting result" or "most halting result", instead each of the threads gets to influence the probability of a particular result being visible in a somewhat complex way
12:07:03 <ais523> and programming it is about trying to make the probability influences combine in such a way that they maximise the probability of getting the answer you wanted
12:07:21 <b_jonas> ais523: if you want a plausible candidate for decision problems that are in P but probably not L, we're hoping that password hashing functions do this. This is technically not quite right, because it could be possible that there's a logarithmic space algorithm whose time complexity, though polynomial, is too slow to be practically usable, but I think close enough.
12:07:22 <ais523> but you only get one result and it's random, in most cases all possible results have some probability
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12:15:23 <korvo> I don't want to say that the exponentially-many-superpositions model is wrong per se, but it's got a lot of metaphysical issues. The biggest one is the preferred-basis problem: whether something is in superposition is often conditioned on how one *rotates* their laboratory.
12:16:19 <korvo> I find myself pinned between theorems. Hardy's theorem requires exponentially-large state spaces but Holevo's theorem says that we can only read one bit of information per measured qubit, a linear amount. So most of the state is inaccessible.
12:17:45 <korvo> The Pusey-Barrett-Rudolph (PBR) theorem says that the wavefunction is ontic, so that exponentially-large state space isn't just a mathematical artifact; it also forces Everettians to deal with preferred bases.
12:18:58 <korvo> So we're left with a situation where the wavefunction is real but particles aren't real. (If you really insist that particles are real despite this then the Kochen-Specker theorem (and its consequence, Bell's theorem) will force you to accept something undesirable, either non-locality or superdeterminism.)
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12:22:48 <ais523> korvo: so my interest is more in "how this is programmed" rather than "how this actually works, physically"
12:23:04 <ais523> I don't mind if the model is physically inaccurate as long as it allows you to understand how the programming language would work
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12:23:42 <korvo> ais523: Sure. They dovetail, though; we've proven that there's *one* semantic model for QM: the category of complex-valued Hilbert spaces. So there's really only one starting point.
12:24:56 <korvo> This might not be obvious, given how many physicists try to introduce toy models. But whether it's Spekkens or Wolfram, toy models are known to not be able to reproduce QM in 3D thanks to Kochen-Specker.
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12:28:19 <korvo> ais523: I guess that, zooming out, my view is that if I know which category to use for programming a system then I already have a half-decent syntax for expressing programs. Cammy is built on Cartesian-closed categories but it's not self-hosting, so I can always create a Hilbert-flavored Cammy, a relational Cammy, etc. just by switching the constructions used to build the category.
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12:28:53 <ais523> korvo: that's a respectable view but I suspect you're in an extreme minority among programmers
12:29:21 <korvo> But other than that, I'm not sure that our intuition for how things are programmed can be transferred. Lambda-binders *are* Cartesian-closedness; they're two ways of looking at the same phenomenon. There's no lambda calculus for QM.
12:29:28 <ais523> syntax the computer-science concept and syntax the programming concept are clearly connected and yet many people prefer to disregard the connection
12:29:49 <korvo> ais523: Yeah, but most programmers are conservative know-nothing blowhards. (Most humans, really.) I will accept the tradeoff of actually knowing a little foundational physics.
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12:30:36 <ais523> meanwhile, I'm the sort of person who acknowledges the connection exists, but prefers to only actively use it when talking to computer scientists because when talking to other people, it's not good for communicating
12:30:43 <ais523> anyway, /away for a bit
12:30:49 <korvo> Sure. Take it easy.
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12:54:29 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179145&oldid=179144 * Qazwsxplm * (-6621) /* Sandbox */
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13:15:23 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179147&oldid=179146 * Qazwsxplm * (+10)
13:15:56 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179148&oldid=179147 * Qazwsxplm * (-901)
13:22:57 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179149&oldid=179143 * Ais523 * (+519) /* Revisions before december 19 2024 unviewable */ AI scraper bots
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13:26:14 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Policy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179150&oldid=174609 * Qazwsxplm * (+179)
13:32:30 <esolangs> [[Template:Archived]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179151&oldid=125464 * Qazwsxplm * (+0)
13:38:10 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Policy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179152&oldid=179150 * Ais523 * (-179) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/179150|179150]] by [[Special:Contributions/Qazwsxplm|Qazwsxplm]] ([[User talk:Qazwsxplm|talk]]) although accurate, we shouldn't really need to state the obvious; if someone gets banned without a warning then they were likely doing something fo
13:40:27 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179153&oldid=178875 * Qazwsxplm * (+6) /* Add a logo on Vector 2022 */
13:41:48 <korvo> I will think about how to phrase it, but I think qazwsxplm points out something important. We don't explain the remedies for policy violations. Some stuff is spilt milk; we say "please don't do that" and clean it up without punishing anybody.
13:42:29 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179154&oldid=179153 * Qazwsxplm * (+1) /* Translate to other languages */
13:44:56 <esolangs> [[List of esolang file extensions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179155&oldid=178844 * Qazwsxplm * (+29)
13:46:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:Qazwsxplm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179156&oldid=178576 * Qazwsxplm * (+185) /* THANK YOU */
13:50:31 <ais523> well, I'm mostly following the usual "if someone breaks the rules then tell them about it, if someone is actively disruptive give a ban" – I don't expect everyone to have read the Policy page
13:50:38 <ais523> it would be nice if they did, but unrealisitc
13:50:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:Septem Lingua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179157&oldid=176564 * Qazwsxplm * (+196) /* Coincidentally this title has seven English words */ new section
13:51:16 <ais523> in general it is best to tell people about rules only in the situation where they might break them, beause otherwise it's too hard for a new user to remember all of them
13:51:45 <ais523> that's why, e.g., the rules for creating a page are primarily on the "create new page" page
13:53:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:Septem Lingua]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179158&oldid=179157 * Qazwsxplm * (+26)
13:53:30 <ais523> still a bit busy, anyway, will be offline for a bit longer
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13:53:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Septem Lingua]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179159&oldid=179158 * Qazwsxplm * (+15)
14:00:38 <esolangs> [[PocketFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179160&oldid=132421 * Qazwsxplm * (+46)
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14:08:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:DateTri]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179161 * Qazwsxplm * (+185) Created page with "a calendar date, a romantic night out, and fruit... Three meanings of "date"... Hmm... Interesting. ~~~~"
14:22:58 <esolangs> [[User talk:Qazwsxplm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179162&oldid=179156 * PrySigneToFry * (+123)
15:09:17 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/iLGwMLS]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179163 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1289) Created page with "iLGwMLS is a class of problems. Lets get these definitions: * <code>K</code> is a program. * <code>M<sub>i</sub></code> is the memory of <code>K</code> at iteration. * <code>|x|</code> is the length of <code>x</code>. * <code>A</code> is the in
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15:36:15 <korvo> Mental health is on an uptick. I repotted some Aloe vera and put out four trays of Capsicum annuum (bell pepper) seeds.
15:36:55 <Yayimhere> (i assume mental health being on an uptick is a good thing?
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16:16:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179165 * Meh2 * (+74) Created page with "9 --~~~~"
16:36:35 <lambdabot> METAR EGLL 081620Z COR AUTO 19009KT 150V240 9999 NCD 25/10 Q1020 NOSIG
16:36:47 <fizzie> This is just ridiculous for early April.
16:38:21 <lambdabot> METAR KPDX 081553Z 00000KT 10SM SCT250 07/03 A3010 RMK AO2 SLP192 T00720033 $
16:38:48 <korvo> It's basically summer already.
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17:06:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:Dd]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179166 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+232) Created page with "I struggle to see how this in any way could be an FSA. FSA's, a the least, takes input. its much weaker than an FSA. --~~~~"
17:45:36 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179167&oldid=179106 * Ultraslayyy * (+153) Yay my name's in here
17:45:51 <esolangs> [[Penis]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179168 * Ultraslayyy * (+3097) Created the Penis page
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17:48:52 <Yayimhere> i made a (user subpage) for the class of problems I was talking about earlier while you were gone(if that interest you)
17:49:15 <ais523> fizzie: I assume you're commenting on the 25/10?
17:49:31 <ais523> but yes, in England that would be an outlier even for summer
17:51:06 <esolangs> [[User:Ultraslayyy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179169 * Ultraslayyy * (+186) Created page
17:54:46 <esolangs> [[User:Ultraslayyy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179170&oldid=179169 * Ultraslayyy * (+14) Fix smiley face :)
17:57:48 <fizzie> Yes. Well, it's not supposed to last long.
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18:13:02 <esolangs> [[Stactal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179171&oldid=157283 * * (+89) /* Programs */
18:18:15 <esolangs> [[Stactal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179172&oldid=179171 * * (+198)
18:21:26 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179173&oldid=178473 * Ultraslayyy * (+48) Added Penis
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19:03:33 <esolangs> [[Reuts]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179175 * * (+1577) Started page
19:12:52 <esolangs> [[Reuts]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179176&oldid=179175 * * (+288)
19:17:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179177&oldid=174484 * * (+340) /* So I made a language */ new section
19:18:34 <esolangs> [[User talk:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179178&oldid=179177 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+192) /* So I made a language */
19:25:22 <esolangs> [[Reuts]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179179&oldid=179176 * * (+179) /* Commands */
19:26:08 <esolangs> [[User talk:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179180&oldid=179178 * * (+53) /* So I made a language */
19:27:31 <esolangs> [[User talk:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179181&oldid=179180 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+408) /* So I made a language */
19:33:47 <esolangs> [[Mention]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179182&oldid=179112 * PKMN Trainer * (+18) /* Computational class */
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19:41:18 <esolangs> [[Reuts]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179184&oldid=179179 * * (+894) Added explanation of Shasavic theory
19:42:31 <esolangs> [[User talk:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179185&oldid=179181 * * (+145) /* So I made a language */
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20:12:23 <esolangs> [[User talk:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179186&oldid=179185 * Aadenboy * (+566) /* So I made a language */
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20:50:00 <esolangs> [[Talk:99 bottles of pain]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179187 * MinekPo1 * (+2261) Created page with "Hi! I've decided to implement 99BoPa, and my implementation does not lead to your example hello world program outputting hello world, but "$!((+T106\n3+.( ". As you acknowledged that program is possibly incorrect, can you check my program, which should
21:19:05 <shachaf> Huh, I hadn't heard of https://esolangs.org/wiki/%CE%A3%E2%88%9E
21:19:18 <shachaf> I was given a description of the language and "construct 1" as a puzzle.
21:36:28 <int-e> That is a cute puzzle.
21:42:24 <int-e> shachaf: is it too evil to write it like this: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/db68af75
21:42:50 <esolangs> [[Talk:99 bottles of pain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179188&oldid=179187 * MinekPo1 * (+67)
21:46:33 <b_jonas> int-e: how does that work? it seems to have a free variable
21:47:40 <int-e> b_jonas: No, each x is bound by some Σ[P≤x<P]
21:54:41 <b_jonas> this needs some variable renaming so it doesn't shadow so much
21:54:59 <int-e> which is why I asked whether this was too evil
21:55:13 <int-e> finding a short expression for two may be hard?
21:55:46 <int-e> (my first version has 169 characters)
21:59:55 <shachaf> My solution for 1 had only three sigmas.
22:00:08 <shachaf> Well, four at first, but one was unnecessary.
22:04:07 <int-e> Did they give you 0?
22:04:09 <b_jonas> wait, so are you allowed to have a sum from infty to infty and will that sum have just one term?
22:04:38 <int-e> b_jonas: No. It won't have 0 terms.
22:04:40 <b_jonas> or is it no terms because it's an empty half-open interval
22:05:04 <int-e> b_jonas: "For example, `Σ[∞≤x<∞]∞` = 0 because there are no natural numbers greater than or equal to infinity."
22:05:30 <int-e> (I didn't read that far before, but it is actually on that page.)
22:05:37 <b_jonas> so that's how you get zero, but I'm still trying to understand how you'd get 1
22:06:27 <int-e> shachaf: Did they give you 0? Two of my sums are there just for that.
22:12:03 <int-e> Oh the 2 situation is actually worse, I messed up. Fixing my mistake it's 233 characters.
22:16:04 <int-e> ah, good sign, the definition on the wiki page is the same as mine, modulo alpha
22:20:17 <ais523> I wonder whether version 0 is as powerful as https://esolangs.org/wiki/Tableaux or whether it's weaker? (I don't think it's stronger)
22:21:32 <ais523> (and I don't think it's incommensurate either)
22:37:19 <shachaf> int-e: Oh, oops, I forgot that I defined 0 and used it in two places, never mind.
22:41:02 <ais523> Σ∞ could benefit from a let…in statement, I think (as a preprocessor, not added into the language itself)
22:41:26 <ais523> would make programs a lot shorter and clearer
22:41:47 <int-e> ais523: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e88abc1c ;-)
22:41:47 <ais523> or possibly even nonrecursive functions/macros
22:43:55 <int-e> the add function from the wiki is surprisingly not horrible... ADD(1,1) expands to 433 characters
22:45:14 <int-e> (I expected thousands)
22:46:19 <int-e> (but it turns out that most of the macros are linear; only `equal` isn't. so no exponential blowup takes place.)
22:54:34 <int-e> (I'm unironically using that Haskell code; the smiley is there because this is obviously not user friendly. On the plus side, it was extremely low effort.)
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01:27:36 <int-e> > sum [a | a <- [0..99], b <- [sum [0..a-1]..a-1], c <- [0..b-1]] -- becomes Σ[Σ[∞≤z<∞]∞≤a<∞]Σ[Σ[Σ[∞≤z<∞]∞≤x<a]x≤b<a]Σ[Σ[∞≤z<∞]∞≤c<c]a of length 57. Much better than 233.
01:30:58 <int-e> Err, that c<c should be c<b.
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02:53:22 <korvo> 1:12 on Super Metroid any%. Successfully skipping Grapple Beam now. Hardlocked the console twice in as many nights; no idea how it happened either time. Died to Phantoon once.
03:31:04 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * LynChern * New user account
04:28:43 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179189&oldid=179167 * LynChern * (+176) /* Introductions */
04:41:06 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179190 * LynChern * (+0) Created blank page
04:44:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179191&oldid=179190 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+120)
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05:22:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179195&oldid=179194 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+200) /* Regular Messages */
05:23:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179196&oldid=178619 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+140) /* new esolang i made */
05:25:02 <esolangs> [[User talk:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179197&oldid=179186 * Aadenboy * (-15) eradicate h1
05:25:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179198&oldid=179195 * LynChern * (+32) /* Regular Messages */
05:25:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179199&oldid=179198 * LynChern * (+84)
05:29:35 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179200&oldid=179199 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+156) /* Regular Messages */
05:32:18 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179201&oldid=179115 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+7) /* oranges oranges oranges */ why are oranges orange
05:38:51 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179202&oldid=179200 * LynChern * (-2) /* Notes */
05:41:30 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179203&oldid=179202 * LynChern * (+25) /* Test1 */ new section
05:45:15 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179204&oldid=179048 * Aadenboy * (+679) /* Examples */ add multiplication example
05:51:36 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179205&oldid=179203 * LynChern * (-63) /* Notes */
05:54:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179206&oldid=179205 * LynChern * (-8)
05:55:47 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179207&oldid=179206 * LynChern * (+103) /* Test2 */ new section
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06:02:18 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179210&oldid=179209 * LynChern * (-1)
06:03:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179211&oldid=179210 * LynChern * (+130) /* How to show the directory */ new section
06:04:08 <esolangs> [[Z++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179212&oldid=124708 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+9) +{{stub}} (no. specification whatsoever
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06:49:44 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179216 * LynChern * (+12) Created page with ""
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06:55:09 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179218&oldid=179217 * LynChern * (-518)
07:04:04 <esolangs> [[User talk:Timm]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179219 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+365) Created page with "Hey, just wanted to intervene I guess, and say that your articles are very underspecified! I'd be nice you could read some articles(like [[Underload]] for example, or [[Subleq]]), to see the amount of specification you need to describe your language. --
07:06:59 <esolangs> [[User talk:Timm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179220&oldid=179219 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+55)
07:10:16 <esolangs> [[Kiosk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179221&oldid=175882 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+28) /* Commands */
07:10:56 <esolangs> [[Kiosk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179222&oldid=179221 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+15) /* Commands */
07:15:50 <esolangs> [[Kiosk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179223&oldid=179222 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+41) /* Commands */
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08:09:53 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Yayimhere2(school) * moved [[DJ logic]] to [[User:Yayimhere/DJ logic]]
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11:02:46 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179230&oldid=179229 * LynChern * (+2) /* */
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15:48:27 <b_jonas> so I was looking at the documentation RISC-V RV64 instruction set, and it has a few interesting features that I'd like to mention.
15:49:45 <b_jonas> so this is a 64-bit instruction set, like x86_64, which means that memory addresses and general purpose registers (which hold scalar integers) are 64 bit wide. but you still want to be able to handle 32-bit arithmetic in such an instruction set. I thought there were two ways to do that, but RISC-V does a third way that I hadn't ever considered.
15:52:26 <b_jonas> So one thing you can do is to use the 64-bit operations for add/subtract, left shift, and possibly even low multiplication, and just ignore what goes in the high bits. But this means you have to mask the high bits off before you do a comparison or right shift.
15:52:28 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179247&oldid=179204 * Aadenboy * (+67)
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15:54:30 <b_jonas> What x86_64 does is to provide 32-bit arithmetic operations too, and these zero-extend their results in the destination registers. This is slightly better, because the automatic zeroing means that you don't have to do anything extra to use the results as 32-bit unsigned array indexes, or to do unsigned comparisons on them, but it means you need signed comparison and arithmetic right shift instructions
15:54:36 <b_jonas> in 32-bit versions separate from the 64-bit ones. Which x86_64 does provide.
15:56:27 <b_jonas> Another thing to do, which is what MMIX recommends for some cases, is to store the 32-bit values in the *top* half of your 64-bit registers, with zeros in the bottom. This means you can use 64-bit add/subtract, left shift, unsigned compare and signed comparee instructions just fine. You always need an extra shift if you want to use such numbers as array indexes, but that's fine because you often want to
15:56:33 <b_jonas> shift an array index left anyway in other solutions.
15:57:59 <b_jonas> What RISC-V does is that it provides separate 32-bit add/subtract and shift instructions, but these *sign-extend* their result into the destination register. The big advantage of that is that you can now just use the 64-bit signed and unsigned compare instructions for 32-bit calculations too. And you can still use array indexes, only this time they're signed, which is sometimes better and sometimes
15:58:24 <b_jonas> Somehow I never considered the possibility of sign-extending by default, probably because I was so used to x86.
15:59:01 <b_jonas> The load instructions in RV64 come in 8/16/32/64 bit sizes and the first three exist in both sign-extending and zero-extending versions by the way.
16:00:31 <b_jonas> These are a pretty new instruction sets, so of course they have much less historical compatibility baggage and more hindsight in design than x86 or even ARM, and I quite like the design reall.
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16:22:41 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179248&oldid=179247 * Aadenboy * (+699) /* Examples */ implement division
16:24:58 <Yayimhere> aadenboy: its always pointer juggling with you init lol
16:25:25 <Yayimhere> I need to try and program im my own languages again
16:25:46 <Yayimhere> they're just strangely abstract and hard to program in
16:26:24 <aadenboy> all of my esolangs are usualy made because I find them "fun" in some way
16:27:34 <Yayimhere> I just dont know how to make anything in them
16:28:03 <korvo> "Don't go chasing waterfalls," as the song warned me when I was your age.
16:28:47 <korvo> Make some stuff in Python first. ECMAScript if you want harder difficulty or Scratch for an easier time.
16:29:27 <aadenboy> never really tried python significantly
16:30:16 <Yayimhere> i have many problems with python but I have nobody to teach me anything else and guides just are a hard time. I tried Haskell but only local variables seems kinda... eh?
16:30:54 <korvo> Lua is alright but will teach you some bad habits; it's hard to build up lots of interesting structure in Lua, and also the table is a treacherous and wrong data structure.
16:30:59 <b_jonas> Yayimhere: if you have more specific questions (eg. about python) you can try to ask here
16:31:19 <Yayimhere> true, I just dont want to bug y'all
16:31:31 <korvo> Haskell is fine. We should *always* have that local-variables-only property; it's called "lexical scoping" and it means that you only have to read part of a program to understand that part.
16:33:20 <Yayimhere> it just inhibits my usual style of programming. I like to keep data around in variables. though maybe thats a habit to unlearn
16:34:31 <Yayimhere> ent issuebut this is an issue for me to
16:51:19 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179249&oldid=179248 * Aadenboy * (+251) /* Division */ redo algorithm
16:51:37 <aadenboy> accidental modulo calculator as well
16:52:13 <korvo> Yayimhere: GHC Haskell (and Hugs and others) have REPLs, so you can do REPL-oriented development. There's nothing wrong with keeping a REPL open.
16:53:01 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179250&oldid=179249 * Aadenboy * (+3) /* Division */ you fool that is 5 not 6
16:57:20 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179251&oldid=179250 * Aadenboy * (-36) /* Division */
16:57:57 <aadenboy> oh actually that isn't hard to implement here
16:58:47 <Yayimhere> what format are ya using for numbers btw?
17:01:22 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179252&oldid=179251 * Aadenboy * (+142) /* Division */ mod
17:01:41 <aadenboy> I'm finding padding with unusable cells is a good strategy
17:02:15 <aadenboy> and doesn't destroy the data itself thankfully
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17:43:26 <esolangs> [[Mathlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179258&oldid=179257 * Esolang lover123 * (+19) please fix the ascii issue
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17:56:33 <ais523> korvo: I've never really liked REPLs because what I want to do is to gradually build up a program that I can use multiple times, with different data each time
17:57:16 <ais523> what I really want to do is experiment with program fragments that could go into an existing program, and when I find one, make it a permanent part of the program (then move onto the next part)
17:58:01 <ais523> so I think my preferred environment would be some sort of editor-like thing with panes/splits for the program, input, and output, and where the program mostly ran from start to end
17:58:14 <ais523> and where you could delete bits of the end of the program to rewind to before they were executed
17:58:27 <ais523> this is quite REPL-like in many ways but has a fundamentally different execution model
18:00:19 <b_jonas> ais523: yeah, I mostly just use two to four different terminals for this. in one I'm editing the program, in one I'm running the program, possibly if the program is slower running then I'll be examining the output in one while running it in another, possibly in one I'm reading manuals though these days those are more often in a browser.
18:00:27 <ais523> (you would also be able to replace the input data to run it on different data)
18:00:46 <ais523> b_jonas: my current workaround is basically this but without the caching
18:00:56 <ais523> so the program runs from the start every time
18:01:33 <ais523> it's both slow and inefficient
18:02:13 <b_jonas> yeah, that depends on what program
18:03:14 <ais523> often I'm dealing with a lot of data, of the order of magnitude where it takes tens of minutes or a few hours for a single computer to process it
18:03:37 <ais523> although that may be partly because I'm normally using Perl for this sort of thing, which is a particularly slow language
18:04:26 <ais523> one project I want to do is to do this sort of cached-program-execution model in a new language which is comparable to Perl 4 in feature set but without the edge cases that make it hard to implement efficiently (and possibly statically typed with type inference)
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18:05:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mathlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179260&oldid=179259 * Esolang lover123 * (+0) period
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18:15:09 <fizzie> That's a _little_ bit in the direction of "interactive notebooks" of the Jupyter mold, though there's no close analogue of an (efficient) rewind.
18:15:25 <fizzie> But they do generally have a "run from the beginning up to this cell" shortcut.
18:16:49 <b_jonas> I handled this mostly manually in my previous jobs. Split out the slow parts, cache their results, rerun manually only when needed.
18:16:50 <fizzie> I guess in practice you could occasionally re-run a smaller subset of the program to effectively rewind but without executing earlier (possibly more costly) steps.
18:18:02 <ais523> fizzie: Jupyter is something I had in mind as inspiration, but I don't think it's the same
18:19:20 <fizzie> I have used (Google) Colab (which is a Jupyter-based thing) for some ad-hoc data visualizations, a little bit like that, with a slow "pull data from various sources into a Pandas dataframe" step, and then a tail end of further data mangling and graph-building that can be re-executed quickly enough.
18:19:21 <esolangs> [[Language List]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179261 * Hotcrystal0 * (+27) Redirected page to [[Language list]]
18:19:55 <fizzie> Though it's entirely the user's responsibility to make sure the pristine copy of the collected data doesn't get lost.
18:21:15 <ais523> I feel like this is a gap in the programming language market
18:21:31 <ais523> (and resent that I'm not really able to dedicate enough concentration to implement it in a reasonable length of time)
18:24:40 <b_jonas> excuse me but doesn't Excel do this? recalculate only the cells whose dependencies change?
18:25:17 <ais523> yes – that's also a model I had in mind
18:25:58 <korvo> ais523: I coded up about half of a Cammy environment which allows composing and decomposing expressions with visual graphs. It's type-aware and can preview types corresponding to images and videos, so it's possible to incrementally assemble an image from small pieces.
18:26:05 <ais523> I guess functional reactive programming is the best direction to look in, possibly?
18:26:21 <korvo> It sucks, but that's mostly an issue of not having a strong-enough data model and a holistic environment with lots of standard-library code already written.
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18:27:28 <b_jonas> I don't feel like I really need this. I can just separate stuff out by hand, and either re-run slow parts by hand, or at least automate by hand re-running the slow parts only if their inputs have changed.
18:27:43 <ais523> anyway, I hate to leave mid-conversation but I'll be busy for an hour and a half or so
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18:28:08 <fizzie> There's apparently a spin-off of the Python notebook genre called marimo which, according to documentation, is based on (automatically) building a dependency DAG between the notebook cells, and (by default) auto-rerunning everything "downstream" when you change one cell: https://docs.marimo.io/guides/reactivity/
18:28:24 <fizzie> But it doesn't claim to track mutation, you're just recommended to avoid it.
18:28:52 <fizzie> A more functional language could be a more natural fit for that sort of thing.
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19:58:22 <esolangs> [[StrML]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179263 * SirBrahms * (+4274) Create Page
20:00:44 <esolangs> [[StrML]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179264&oldid=179263 * SirBrahms * (+40) Categorise
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20:01:50 <esolangs> [[StrML]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179265&oldid=179264 * SirBrahms * (+0) Categorise correctly this time
20:02:35 <esolangs> [[StrML]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179266&oldid=179265 * SirBrahms * (+27) Add unimplemented category
20:05:10 <esolangs> [[User:SirBrahms]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179267&oldid=179093 * SirBrahms * (+34) Add StrML to user page
20:18:25 <ais523> I find that what I'm often doing is creating dictionaries and then iterating over them
20:19:00 <ais523> this sort of thing is easy to express in imperative languages and a bit harder to do functionally
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00:58:08 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179269&oldid=179228 * LynChern * (+291) /* My first programming language */ new section
01:00:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179270&oldid=179269 * LynChern * (+98) /* Regular Messages */
01:23:05 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179271&oldid=179239 * LynChern * (-537)
01:28:03 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179272&oldid=179271 * LynChern * (-424)
01:56:52 <shachaf> int-e: Too bad logged-out users can't see diffs.
01:58:26 <izabera> go slep shachaf u have work tomorrow
01:59:10 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179273&oldid=179272 * LynChern * (+257)
01:59:46 * shachaf is still on California time unfortunately.
02:00:05 <shachaf> Well, I got back on Monday.
02:00:09 <shachaf> So slep would be desirable.
02:00:14 <izabera> can i show you the thing on monday
02:00:55 <izabera> it's a better entropy encoder than fse
02:01:16 <izabera> where better means strictly shorter output in all non trivial cases, but slower
02:04:20 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179274&oldid=179273 * LynChern * (+109)
02:05:03 <izabera> it's a perfectly adaptive rANS
02:05:40 <izabera> and not at all worth doing because fse is just too fast and plenty good enough
02:06:37 <izabera> also i apparently can write an enormous amount of bugs on this kind of code
02:14:58 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179275&oldid=179274 * LynChern * (-291)
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02:29:20 <aadenboy> I keep forgetting I set my client's font to verdana hahaha
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02:34:41 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179292&oldid=179291 * LynChern * (-9177) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/179217|179217]] by [[Special:Contributions/LynChern|LynChern]] ([[User talk:LynChern|talk]])
02:37:35 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179293&oldid=179292 * LynChern * (+2710)
02:41:12 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179294&oldid=179270 * Aadenboy * (+455) /* mass reverting */ new section
02:47:46 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179295&oldid=179293 * LynChern * (-200)
02:54:31 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179296&oldid=179295 * LynChern * (+200) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/179295|179295]] by [[Special:Contributions/LynChern|LynChern]] ([[User talk:LynChern|talk]])
03:02:11 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179297&oldid=179294 * LynChern * (+131) /* mass reverting */
03:06:46 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179298&oldid=179296 * LynChern * (-2722) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/179293|179293]] by [[Special:Contributions/LynChern|LynChern]] ([[User talk:LynChern|talk]])
03:07:02 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179299&oldid=179297 * Aadenboy * (+830) /* mass reverting */
03:11:17 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179300&oldid=179298 * LynChern * (+19)
03:12:50 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179301&oldid=179300 * LynChern * (+20)
03:14:56 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179302&oldid=179301 * LynChern * (+53)
03:15:08 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179303&oldid=179302 * LynChern * (+53)
03:15:19 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179304&oldid=179303 * LynChern * (+20)
03:18:59 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179305&oldid=179304 * LynChern * (-106)
03:19:30 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179306&oldid=179305 * LynChern * (-59) Blanked the page
03:19:54 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179307&oldid=179306 * LynChern * (+165)
03:48:11 <esolangs> [[User talk:LynChern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179308&oldid=179299 * LynChern * (+139) /* mass reverting */
03:48:39 <esolangs> [[Template:Archived]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179309&oldid=179151 * Ractangle * (+4)
03:51:38 <esolangs> [[PocketFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179310&oldid=179160 * Ractangle * (-46) you can just, watch the file?
04:06:19 <esolangs> [[False machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179311&oldid=179255 * Ractangle * (+32) /*FIX ME: Mathlang implementation has to be edited to match the specs*/
04:09:12 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Fenlenl * New user account
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04:18:14 <esolangs> [[False machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179312&oldid=179311 * Aadenboy * (+212)
04:19:12 <aadenboy> ais523 someone seems to be spamming account creation
04:20:17 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179313&oldid=179189 * FenlneF * (+199)
04:20:39 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179314&oldid=179313 * FenlneF * (-7)
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04:38:57 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179316&oldid=179315 * LynChern * (-46) Blanked the page
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05:00:07 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179317&oldid=179316 * LynChern * (+7101)
06:01:25 <esolangs> [[Kiosk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179318&oldid=179223 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+3) /* Commands */
06:03:15 <esolangs> [[Kiosk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179319&oldid=179318 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+50) /* External resources */
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08:03:27 <esolangs> [[Why tho]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179320&oldid=141361 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+14) /* computational class */
08:50:32 <esolangs> [[Morshu]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179321&oldid=151779 * Squidmanescape * (+767) /* Programs */
09:04:42 <esolangs> [[1r]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179322&oldid=179081 * Squidmanescape * (-1)
09:24:41 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179323&oldid=178248 * Squidmanescape * (+230) /* I Probably Could Implement Them */
09:42:13 <esolangs> [[StatiC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179324&oldid=139499 * Squidmanescape * (+233) /* Syntax */
10:05:04 <esolangs> [[StatiC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179325&oldid=179324 * Squidmanescape * (+1410) /* Syntax */ I don't care, let the bad times roll.
10:12:56 <esolangs> [[Standard Test Paper]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179326&oldid=176497 * Qazwsxplm * (+16) /* Papermaking */
10:16:59 <esolangs> [[(,!)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179327&oldid=166448 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+13)
10:17:59 <esolangs> [[(,!)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179328&oldid=179327 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-304) /* cheating the esolang */
10:41:00 <esolangs> [[StatiC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179329&oldid=179325 * Squidmanescape * (+1567)
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11:43:09 <esolangs> [[HQ9+F]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179330&oldid=113233 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+9) very underspecified. added {{stub}}
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12:55:59 <esolangs> [[Mathlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179331&oldid=179262 * Esolang lover123 * (-7) what is {{cd| }}?
12:56:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179332&oldid=179314 * Erri4 * (+199) /* Introductions */
12:57:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179333&oldid=139430 * Erri4 * (+132) /* div by 2 algo */ new section
12:57:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179334&oldid=179333 * Erri4 * (+75) /* div by 2 algo */
13:06:49 <esolangs> [[STRTRAN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179335&oldid=154599 * Esolang lover123 * (-1) why does the beginning of the false start with efalse? efalse stands for end-false. right?
13:08:07 <int-e> shachaf: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Σ∞
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13:17:28 <esolangs> [[Mathlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179336&oldid=179331 * Cleverxia * (+10) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/179331|179331]] by [[Special:Contributions/Esolang lover123|Esolang lover123]] ([[User talk:Esolang lover123|talk]]): {{cd|x}} means exactly <code>x</code>
13:18:19 <esolangs> [[Mathlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179337&oldid=179336 * Cleverxia * (-3) wait
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13:54:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:STRTRAN]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179340&oldid=144149 * Esolang lover123 * (+235) /* Cat program */ new section
13:56:04 <esolangs> [[Better-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179341&oldid=175713 * ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword * (+1008) my new esolang
14:02:33 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179342&oldid=179201 * Dragoneater67 * (-1529) a very minor cleanup
14:05:25 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179343&oldid=179154 * Qazwsxplm * (+178) /* why */ new section
14:05:42 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179344&oldid=179343 * Qazwsxplm * (+180) /* why */ new section
14:06:07 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179345&oldid=179344 * Qazwsxplm * (-178) /* why */
14:06:31 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179346&oldid=179345 * Qazwsxplm * (+34) /* why */
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14:08:25 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179347&oldid=179342 * Dragoneater67 * (+30) very subtle
14:08:58 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179348&oldid=179347 * Dragoneater67 * (-4) move to bottom
14:09:16 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179349&oldid=179348 * Dragoneater67 * (+4)
14:12:26 <esolangs> [[False machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179350&oldid=179312 * Esolang lover123 * (+115) False
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14:20:52 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179351 * Esolang lover123 * (+306) maybe it's a false machine maybe it's a truth machine ;)
14:21:28 <esolangs> [[False machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179352&oldid=179350 * Dragoneater67 * (+10) fix gramma
14:22:26 <esolangs> [[User:Esolang lover123]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179353&oldid=178472 * Esolang lover123 * (+81) I also created the [[Truth machine]]
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15:43:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:Esolang Quality Rating System]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179354&oldid=167985 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+318) /* Possible Name Change */
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15:47:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Esolang Quality Rating System]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179355&oldid=179354 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+227) /* Possible Name Change */
16:14:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:Esolang Quality Rating System]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179356&oldid=179355 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+256) /* Possible Name Change */
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16:29:25 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179357&oldid=179317 * LynChern * (-2205)
16:30:03 <b_jonas> SIGBOVIK is supposed to start in either 3.5 hours or 4 hours depending on which webpage I believe
16:40:37 <int-e> `` TZ=America/New_York date
16:40:41 <HackEso> Fri Apr 10 12:40:39 EDT 2026
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16:41:06 <int-e> (Isn't that 4.5^H3 hours to 5pm?
16:43:04 <int-e> Which, if one of the websites is youtube, would mean that they're setting up the stream early.
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16:52:21 <b_jonas> int-e: sorry, you're right, I calculated wrong
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17:15:31 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/iLGwMLS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179359&oldid=179338 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+13)
17:16:03 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179360&oldid=179358 * LynChern * (-3991)
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17:17:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:Useless]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179361&oldid=177268 * Dragoneater67 * (+271) Removed redirect to [[Talk:Useless12345 SORRY]]
17:19:39 <esolangs> [[*$@(^$)!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179362&oldid=176449 * Dragoneater67 * (-37) its usable actually
17:20:18 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179363&oldid=179360 * LynChern * (+13)
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21:14:25 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABasic]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179364 * * (+519) Created page with "'''AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABasic''' is an esolang made by [[uparrow]]. == Commands == '''A''': + '''AA''': - '''AAA''': / '''AAAA''': PRINT '''AAAAA''': AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ''
21:14:47 <b_jonas> the SIGBOVIK robot dance party is starting
21:15:19 <esolangs> [[User:/esolangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179365&oldid=178758 * * (+66)
21:52:51 <esolangs> [[StatiC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179366&oldid=179329 * Squidmanescape * (+2633) Why am I even doing this?
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23:16:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 * New user account
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00:04:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Ezya* * New user account
00:11:18 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179367&oldid=179332 * Ezya* * (+157)
00:18:09 <esolangs> [[User:Ezya*]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179368 * Ezya* * (+3) Created page with "hey"
00:21:32 <esolangs> [[User:Ezya*]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179369&oldid=179368 * Ezya* * (+194)
00:22:06 <esolangs> [[User:Ezya*]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179370&oldid=179369 * Ezya* * (+14)
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01:32:25 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179371&oldid=179351 * Cleverxia * (+62)
01:40:25 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179372&oldid=179038 * None1 * (+754)
01:45:33 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179373&oldid=179371 * Aadenboy * (+72) /* Implementations */ golf in Lua
01:45:48 <aadenboy> I think the golfing here is pretty funny
01:46:21 <aadenboy> if input and rand are equal then it causes division by 0 and the for loop repeats infinitely, otherwise it results in either 1 or -1 and never runs
01:46:52 <aadenboy> using a while loop like a sane person is one character short because of types
01:48:20 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179374&oldid=179373 * Aadenboy * (+22) print input at least once
01:48:57 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179375&oldid=179374 * Aadenboy * (+55)
01:49:17 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179376&oldid=178428 * Aadenboy * (+40)
01:49:29 <esolangs> [[False machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179377&oldid=179352 * Aadenboy * (+55)
01:59:15 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179378&oldid=179372 * None1 * (+467)
02:00:01 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179379&oldid=179378 * None1 * (-4) /* Commands */
02:09:12 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179380&oldid=179375 * Cleverxia * (+35) /* Implementations */
02:09:39 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179381&oldid=179380 * Cleverxia * (+4) /* fish */
02:10:14 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179382&oldid=179381 * Cleverxia * (+0) fix again
02:12:38 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179383&oldid=179382 * Cleverxia * (+3) fix again
02:18:16 <esolangs> [[False machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179384&oldid=179377 * Cleverxia * (+98) /* False */
02:27:04 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179385&oldid=179383 * Aadenboy * (+14) must print input at least once
02:28:42 <esolangs> [[False machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179386&oldid=179384 * Aadenboy * (+52) golf in lua
02:31:55 <aadenboy> all of my golfed lua implementations tend to do that lol
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03:06:52 <izabera> you can save O(log N) space over ANS by simply forgetting to account for an additional O(log N) space requirement
03:08:17 <izabera> this was a very difficult thing to realise
04:27:09 <zzo38> Another way of handling 32-bit arithmetic with 64-bit registers is for each half of the register to also be its own register (and they can be subdivided further), so that you can store mroe data in registers if they are small enough to fit many in one register
04:46:30 <esolangs> [[Monoid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179387&oldid=163425 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1) pretty sure theres one missing comma in m, else it wouldn't have full input
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05:36:11 <b_jonas> zzo38: yes, but then you definitely need separate 32-bit versions of every instruction
05:36:24 <b_jonas> or at least almost every instruction; a few with immediate arguments might be saved
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05:41:56 <zzo38> It might depend how the register specifications work for that instruction set
06:04:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck algorithms]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179388&oldid=179334 * Erri4 * (+224) /* divide algo */
06:16:00 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179389&oldid=179385 * PkmnQ * (+0) /* < */ fish swimming the wrong way
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06:29:52 <esolangs> [[AsciiAdd]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179391 * Lim Soon Yi 3k * (+344) Created page with "{{Stub}} '''AsciiAdd''' is a minimalist esolang that is about Ascii. How you encode it is you first convert it into Ascii values and you sum up together. ===Example=== H and I in Ascii is 104 and 105. Add together and you get 209. 209 is interpreted is "Hi"!
06:37:41 <esolangs> [[AsciiAdd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179392&oldid=179391 * Lim Soon Yi 3k * (+63) /* Ending sentence */
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06:54:54 <esolangs> [[IntoLoad]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179394 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1866) Created page with "'''IntoLoad''' was an attempt to make [[Underload]] into a group(similarly to [[Burro]]), though this has not been proven. instead of using concatenation, it uses "ordered interleaving"(will be explained later), to construct programs, when using this operato
06:56:26 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179395&oldid=179389 * PkmnQ * (+89) /* Implementations */ add Thue
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07:48:56 <esolangs> [[Talk:Metacompiler]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179396 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+153) Created page with "Great qoute, couldn't agree more lol. --~~~~"
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08:34:27 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Lim Soon Yi 3k * uploaded "[[File:Blank-white-with-black-borders-to1p5x536lc9en78.webp]]"
08:34:53 <esolangs> [[AsciiAdd]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179399&oldid=179393 * Lim Soon Yi 3k * (+83)
08:51:20 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179400 * Esolang lover123 * (+1665) welcome to hell
08:56:28 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179401&oldid=179121 * Esolang lover123 * (+64) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
09:14:56 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179402&oldid=179400 * Esolang lover123 * (+447) fixin some stuff
09:27:09 <esolangs> [[Grass]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179403&oldid=178040 * Tpaefawzen * (+100) /* External resources */
09:28:39 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179404&oldid=178287 * Timm * (+121)
09:29:30 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179405&oldid=179404 * Timm * (+10)
09:29:32 <esolangs> [[Grass]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179406&oldid=179403 * Tpaefawzen * (+235) /* External resources */
09:31:32 <esolangs> [[Grass]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179407&oldid=179406 * Tpaefawzen * (+127) /* Implementation */
09:54:59 <esolangs> [[3BitJump]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179408 * Timm * (+458) Created page with "{{WIP}} <big><big><big>file format .3bj command has A, B, C, D A* = B* if C* then jump D FUNCTION DEFINE!!!!! NAME_ARG, ARG, ARG...: CODE {| class="wikitable" |+ |- ! CELL !! -1 !! -2 |- | A || OUTPUT || ERROR |- | B || INPUT || ERROR |- | C || UNCONDITIONAL || ER
09:55:26 <esolangs> [[User:Timm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179409&oldid=177060 * Timm * (+16)
10:02:05 <esolangs> [[AddByteJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179410&oldid=178834 * Timm * (+2)
10:27:46 <esolangs> [[T F]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179411 * Esolang lover123 * (+1003) really cool
10:35:50 <esolangs> [[Talk:T F]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179412 * Esolang lover123 * (+157) add
10:37:07 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179413&oldid=179401 * Esolang lover123 * (+10) True false
10:38:59 <esolangs> [[T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179414&oldid=179411 * Esolang lover123 * (+0) |=/=,
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10:43:56 <esolangs> [[T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179415&oldid=179414 * Esolang lover123 * (+13) stupid stuff
10:44:51 <esolangs> [[T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179416&oldid=179415 * Esolang lover123 * (+0) T
10:45:32 <esolangs> [[T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179417&oldid=179416 * Esolang lover123 * (+7) /* AND GATE */
10:55:25 <esolangs> [[Exemoji]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179418&oldid=179084 * Glax * (+30) Graphical output category
10:57:46 <esolangs> [[Mathlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179419&oldid=179337 * Esolang lover123 * (+87)
11:07:43 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179420&oldid=179402 * Esolang lover123 * (+69)
11:13:04 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179421&oldid=179420 * Esolang lover123 * (-18)
11:16:41 <esolangs> [[T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179422&oldid=179417 * Esolang lover123 * (+102) False machine
11:17:06 <esolangs> [[AlphaStack]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179423 * Glax * (+27111) Create AlphaStack
11:17:16 <esolangs> [[AlphaStack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179424&oldid=179423 * Glax * (+37223)
11:17:31 <esolangs> [[T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179425&oldid=179422 * Esolang lover123 * (-6) /* AND GATE */
11:17:57 <esolangs> [[T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179426&oldid=179425 * Esolang lover123 * (+1) /* OR GATE */
11:20:16 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179427&oldid=179413 * Glax * (+31) Add AlphaStack and Exemoji
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11:34:22 <esolangs> [[T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179429&oldid=179428 * Esolang lover123 * (+69) categorys
11:35:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179430&oldid=179412 * Esolang lover123 * (+21) IM DOING IT
11:40:35 <esolangs> [[Mathlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179431&oldid=179419 * Esolang lover123 * (+10) /* Commands */
11:41:13 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179432&oldid=179049 * Esolang lover123 * (+36)
11:44:41 <esolangs> [[Ink]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179433&oldid=179256 * Esolang lover123 * (+177) /* SYNTAX TABLE */
11:52:34 <esolangs> [[AsciiAdd]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179434&oldid=179399 * Lim Soon Yi 3k * (+16)
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12:02:59 <esolangs> [[AsciiAdd]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179435&oldid=179434 * Lim Soon Yi 3k * (-16) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/179434|179434]] by [[Special:Contributions/Lim Soon Yi 3k|Lim Soon Yi 3k]] ([[User talk:Lim Soon Yi 3k|talk]])
12:03:20 <esolangs> [[ZORK+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179436 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+3618) Dont delete this. This is a programming language more similar to an esolang that is worth mentioning
12:03:31 <esolangs> [[False machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179437&oldid=179386 * PkmnQ * (+0) /* < */ fish also swimming the wrong way
12:03:45 <esolangs> [[User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179438&oldid=179244 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+34)
12:22:38 <esolangs> [[Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179439 * Esolang lover123 * (+1031) coolbeans
12:22:57 <esolangs> [[Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz+]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179440&oldid=179439 * Esolang lover123 * (+5) /* False machine */ code
12:24:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179441 * Esolang lover123 * (+91) coolerbeans
12:24:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179442&oldid=179441 * Esolang lover123 * (+3)
12:27:14 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179443&oldid=179427 * Esolang lover123 * (+34) /* A */
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12:40:04 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179445&oldid=179421 * Esolang lover123 * (+30) /* Commands */
12:41:16 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179446&oldid=179445 * Esolang lover123 * (+57) /* Commands */
12:42:22 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179447&oldid=179446 * Esolang lover123 * (+72) /* Commands */
12:45:08 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179448&oldid=179447 * Esolang lover123 * (+27) /* Commands */
12:46:52 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179449&oldid=179448 * Esolang lover123 * (+87) /* PROGRAMS */
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13:22:37 <HackEso> This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though. Nobody likes this.
13:22:46 <int-e> fungot: Oh hi there!
13:22:46 <fungot> int-e: lispme for pdas should come with a usable editor yet, you can do in a rewriting lang that rewrites its own source
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13:26:15 <esolangs> [[T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179453&oldid=179450 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+25)
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14:20:02 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dragoneater67]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179457&oldid=179196 * Esolang lover123 * (+254) ;)
14:20:58 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179458&oldid=179149 * Tommyaweosme * (+177) /* Revisions before december 19 2024 unviewable */
14:33:08 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179459&oldid=179395 * Cleverxia * (+172)
14:40:41 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179460&oldid=179459 * Cleverxia * (+19) /* ActionLang */
14:45:04 <esolangs> [[Proof that the turing machine is turing complete]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179461 * Esolang lover123 * (+760) YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
14:45:17 <esolangs> [[Proof that the turing machine is turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179462&oldid=179461 * Esolang lover123 * (+1)
14:46:07 <esolangs> [[Proof that the turing machine is turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179463&oldid=179462 * Esolang lover123 * (+40)
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15:37:01 <esolangs> [[Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179465&oldid=179444 * Hotcrystal0 * (-1607) why are there a million indents
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16:07:00 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179467&oldid=179466 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+171) /* T F interpreter thing */
16:12:23 <esolangs> [[Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179468&oldid=179465 * Esolang lover123 * (+9) /* False machine */
16:19:30 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179469&oldid=179454 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-490) why?
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16:45:36 <esolangs> [[T F]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179471&oldid=179456 * Esolang lover123 * (+386) adder is coming soon
16:58:32 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179472&oldid=179470 * LynChern * (+6637)
16:59:23 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179473&oldid=179472 * LynChern * (+1)
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18:06:14 <esolangs> [[T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179475&oldid=179471 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+0) /* Tasks */
18:06:32 <esolangs> [[T F]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179476&oldid=179475 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+0) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/179475|179475]] by [[Special:Contributions/Dragoneater67mobile|Dragoneater67mobile]] ([[User talk:Dragoneater67mobile|talk]])
18:09:23 <esolangs> [[ZORK+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179477&oldid=179436 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+10) /* miaow */
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20:09:45 <esolangs> [[New]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179479&oldid=179478 * Squidmanescape * (+273)
20:20:47 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179480&oldid=179323 * Squidmanescape * (+102) /* I Implemented Them */
20:21:20 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179481&oldid=179480 * Squidmanescape * (+118)
21:02:38 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Proof that the turing machine is turing complete]]": joke proof, not an esolang or unrelated proof (also, the joke isn't even funny due to a lack of continuity in the proof, many of the steps aren't used again or aren't properly justified); also the page name is not useful because "the set of programs that c
21:03:08 <ais523> I meant "not an esolang or related proof" but I hope this is clear enough (you can't edit edit summaries)
21:05:17 <ais523> proving some specific Turing machine to be universal could be ontopic but the page wasn't anywhere near doing that
21:15:46 <zzo38> Another variant of Fractran can be with probability; there are a few ways to do, e.g. each fraction also has another number associated with it and that number is multiplied by the exponent of the biggest multiple of the denominator (in lowest terms) that it is a multiple of and then divide by the total of all of them.
21:23:53 <zzo38> Other possible variant of Fractran can be one having addition as well as multiplication (possibly a fixed fraction to be addition for all of the fractions of the sequence of fractions of multiplication, and that it is added after each one to see if the result is a integer; which would make using zero for the addition like standard Fractran)
21:24:01 <ais523> probabilistic Fractran is interesting because Fractran seems to be critically dependent for its TCness on the fact that the fractions are ordered
21:24:53 <ais523> so if you are using probabilities instead, it seems possible that any sufficiently large function would eventually malfunction due to bad random numbers (assuming that every matching fraction's probability is used)
21:25:34 <aadenboy> deleted page reminds me of [[Brainfuck is not turing complete]]
21:28:35 <ais523> aadenboy: it was a similar sort of page, including the ridiculous reasoning, but worse becaues the reasoning wasn't even *internally* consistent
21:29:01 <ais523> it would just state things it never used again, or add premises which were neither proven (not even with a pun) nor explained
21:30:01 <ais523> ("brainfuck is not turing complete" has a minor flaw of that nature, in that it doesn't consider the possibility that D=0 and that possibility would ruin the joke, but it's much smaller than on the page I deleted)
22:02:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179482&oldid=146801 * Ais523 * (+410) /* The proof is invalid */ new section
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22:26:23 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179483&oldid=177944 * Jay * (+176)
22:33:15 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * TSTNT * New user account
23:33:41 <esolangs> [[New]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179484&oldid=179479 * Squidmanescape * (-30) I did the textfile part wrong.
23:37:25 <esolangs> [[BFFB]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179485&oldid=134412 * Squidmanescape * (+2982) I think this is a correct implementation. Please fix something if it's not.
00:39:23 <esolangs> [[200]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179486&oldid=122642 * Squidmanescape * (+975) I'm just saying...
00:47:55 <esolangs> [[(top,height) where (coord,value)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179487&oldid=120980 * Squidmanescape * (+12)
00:48:15 <esolangs> [[(top,height) where (coord,value)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179488&oldid=179487 * Squidmanescape * (+71) Sorry for not marking it properly.
00:49:49 <esolangs> [[(top, height)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179489&oldid=120982 * Squidmanescape * (+26) /* Parenthesis Checker */
01:10:50 <esolangs> [[New]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179490&oldid=179484 * Squidmanescape * (+29) It is Turing complete, so I added that category.
01:15:00 <esolangs> [[Dog (BobSoftOfficial)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179491&oldid=169526 * Squidmanescape * (+4)
01:15:39 <esolangs> [[User:Muser]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179492&oldid=160230 * Squidmanescape * (-20) This is not a category that exists.
01:16:03 <esolangs> [[User:SpecCrescent]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179493&oldid=171241 * Squidmanescape * (-21) This is not a category that exists.
01:16:57 <esolangs> [[Plankalkl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179494&oldid=159061 * Squidmanescape * (+16) I'm going to assume this description is correct.
01:18:47 <esolangs> [[NoE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179495&oldid=176179 * Squidmanescape * (+10) Yeah.
01:20:10 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/hjhjhj]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179496&oldid=144764 * Squidmanescape * (+26) I hope this doesn't come across as rude.
01:20:49 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/hjhjhj]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179497&oldid=179496 * Squidmanescape * (+2)
01:21:23 <esolangs> [[Poop (pstron)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179498&oldid=172925 * Squidmanescape * (-10)
01:25:59 <esolangs> [[Template:InDebated]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179499&oldid=152494 * Squidmanescape * (-104) This template was made by someone who apparently repeatedly broke site rules, so I can only assume this deleted category isn't important either.
01:30:12 <esolangs> [[Dsii]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179500&oldid=178015 * Squidmanescape * (+106)
01:58:07 <esolangs> [[OPRBCM]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179501 * Xyzzy * (+314) Created page with "'''OPRBCM''', which stands for OPeRate and Branch if Condition Met, is a family of programming languages that includes [[subleq]], [[Addleq]] and many more. It can also be a programming language if the Operation and Condition is selectable. oprbcm x y z: mem[x]=op(mem
02:02:45 <esolangs> [[OPRBCM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179502&oldid=179501 * Xyzzy * (+387)
02:03:31 <esolangs> [[OPRBCM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179503&oldid=179502 * Xyzzy * (+51)
02:03:42 <esolangs> [[OPRBCM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179504&oldid=179503 * Xyzzy * (+0)
02:03:58 <esolangs> [[OPRBCM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179505&oldid=179504 * Xyzzy * (+2)
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02:06:35 <esolangs> [[Pikobrain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179506&oldid=136234 * Xyzzy * (+145)
02:10:17 <esolangs> [[Abcout]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179507&oldid=177900 * Xyzzy * (+368)
02:15:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:Abcout]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179508 * Xyzzy * (+462) Created page with "if b is twos-complemented to make subtract and branch if carry out (carry out on subtract mode usually equal to whether result is positive in twos-complement RCAs), we'd have subgeq (subtract and branch if greater or equal), which would make subtraction a lot more triv
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03:41:17 <esolangs> [[Dis]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179509&oldid=175180 * Tpaefawzen * (+120) /* External resources */
03:47:49 <esolangs> [[Dis]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179510&oldid=179509 * Tpaefawzen * (+44) /* External resources */
03:52:11 <esolangs> [[2Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179511&oldid=157800 * Squidmanescape * (+34) This seems like an existing category.
04:15:11 <esolangs> [[UNBABTIZED]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179512&oldid=157733 * Tpaefawzen * (+69) /* External resources */
04:17:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:New]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179513&oldid=121094 * Squidmanescape * (+62) /* Implementation */
04:20:02 <esolangs> [[New]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179514&oldid=179490 * Squidmanescape * (+4) /* Implementation */
04:29:45 <esolangs> [[Pathana/Crawling Chaos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179515&oldid=179079 * Squidmanescape * (+204)
04:50:25 <esolangs> [[Pathana/Crawling Chaos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179516&oldid=179515 * Squidmanescape * (+22) I will add examples eventually.
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05:19:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179517&oldid=179482 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+259) /* The proof is invalid */
05:28:31 <esolangs> [[OPRBCM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179518&oldid=179505 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+49) add [[NANDNZ]]
05:39:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179519&oldid=179517 * Cleverxia * (+225) /* The proof is invalid */
06:01:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179520&oldid=179519 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+142)
06:26:35 <esolangs> [[Another modulo language]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179521 * Cleverxia * (+1316) Created page with "'''Another modulo language''' is another modulo language created by [[user:cleverxia]] inspired by the collatz functions. ==program flow== program consists of two function f and g and infinite numbers x<sub>i</sub>. when the program starts, the interpr
06:28:49 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179522&oldid=177511 * Cleverxia * (+208) /* Current Esolangs I've created */
06:41:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:Insomnia 2.0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179523&oldid=12920 * Cleverxia * (+108)
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06:53:48 <esolangs> [[User:Gilbert189/Babalang+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179524&oldid=167475 * Gilbert189 * (-50) Use the term "levelpack" more appropriately
07:11:36 <esolangs> [[The Second Coming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179525&oldid=179020 * PrySigneToFry * (+1573)
08:06:32 <esolangs> [[License plate language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179526&oldid=158887 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+196) /* Computational class */ saying is definitely not TC bcuz jumping is wrong. see [[Gotostart]] for why.
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08:44:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Salovon * New user account
08:59:55 <esolangs> [[License plate language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179527&oldid=179526 * Cleverxia * (+0) /* Computational class */
09:02:58 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179528&oldid=179474 * Dragoneater67 * (+0)
09:18:08 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179529&oldid=179390 * Salovon * (+102)
09:19:35 <esolangs> [[V.O.I.D.]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179530 * Salovon * (+3695) Created page with "'''V.O.I.D.''' ('''V'''ariable '''O'''perations in '''I'''nverted '''D'''omains) is a context-sensitive esoteric programming language created by [[User:Salovon]] in 2026. It is designed to be significantly more difficult than [[Malbolge]] by making the semantics of the
09:20:36 <esolangs> [[V.O.I.D.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179531&oldid=179530 * Salovon * (-9)
09:27:04 <esolangs> [[V.O.I.D.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179532&oldid=179531 * Dragoneater67 * (+70) categorization
09:28:56 <esolangs> [[V.O.I.D.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179533&oldid=179532 * Dragoneater67 * (+35) its not turing complete unfortunately
09:29:26 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179534&oldid=178771 * Cleverxia * (+182)
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09:30:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:V.O.I.D.]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179535 * Dragoneater67 * (+301) Created page with "what do combo commands do? ~~~~"
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09:33:00 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179536&oldid=179534 * Dragoneater67 * (+353) /* Category:Transfinite */
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09:35:55 <esolangs> [[YAML]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179537 * Cleverxia * (+1439) Created page with "{{Template:Distinguish/Confusion|wikipedia:YAML}} '''YAML''' (yet another modulo language) is another modulo language created by [[user:cleverxia]] inspired by [[another modulo language|AML]]. ==program flow== program consists of two function f and g and infinite numbers
09:38:45 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179538&oldid=178404 * Dragoneater67 * (-16) /* Phase 2 */ improved formatting
09:39:51 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179539&oldid=179538 * Dragoneater67 * (+16) /* Phase 2 */ improved wording
09:47:16 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/wipwipwip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179540&oldid=179119 * Dragoneater67 * (-82)
09:50:28 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/wipwipwip/Miracle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179541&oldid=179120 * Dragoneater67 * (+15)
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09:55:41 <esolangs> [[OPRBCM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179542&oldid=179518 * Dragoneater67 * (+40)
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10:13:32 <esolangs> [[Maybe machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179543&oldid=179460 * PrySigneToFry * (+193)
10:24:56 <esolangs> [[Numeric machine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179544 * PrySigneToFry * (+1049) Created page with "Numeric machine is a program form designed by PSTF. = Overview = A numeric machine should do like this: # Receive user input. # If the user enters 0, output 0 infinitely. # Otherwise, let the number entered by the user be n, and output this number n times
10:26:23 <esolangs> [[Numeric machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179545&oldid=179544 * PrySigneToFry * (+0)
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10:36:11 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179546&oldid=179536 * Cleverxia * (+121) /* Category:Transfinite */
10:42:41 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179547&oldid=179546 * Dragoneater67 * (+318) /* Category:No input */
10:51:04 <esolangs> [[Numeric machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179548&oldid=179545 * Cleverxia * (+530) /* Challenge Area */ I want fish swimming the wrong way
11:00:05 <esolangs> [[Numeric machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179549&oldid=179548 * Cleverxia * (+2) /* node.js */
11:05:25 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179550&oldid=179520 * Cleverxia * (+161) /* The proof is invalid */
11:06:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179551&oldid=179550 * Dragoneater67 * (+328) /* The proof is invalid */
11:08:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179552&oldid=179551 * Cleverxia * (+87) /* The proof is invalid */
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11:10:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179553&oldid=179552 * Dragoneater67 * (+297) /* The proof is invalid */
11:15:00 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179554&oldid=179553 * Cleverxia * (+153) /* The proof is invalid */
11:15:14 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179555&oldid=179547 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+191) /* Category:Transfinite */
11:16:00 <esolangs> [[V.O.I.D.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179556&oldid=179533 * Salovon * (-40)
11:16:15 <esolangs> [[V.O.I.D.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179557&oldid=179556 * Salovon * (-9)
11:17:42 <esolangs> [[V.O.I.D.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179558&oldid=179557 * Salovon * (-69)
11:19:35 <esolangs> [[V.O.I.D.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179559&oldid=179558 * Salovon * (-114)
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12:05:39 <esolangs> [[V.O.I.D.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179560&oldid=179559 * Cleverxia * (+10) /* Command Table */ fix the missing bars
12:06:57 <esolangs> [[V.O.I.D.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179561&oldid=179560 * Dragoneater67 * (-7) /* Command Table */
12:08:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179562&oldid=179554 * Dragoneater67 * (+326) /* The proof is invalid */
12:14:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179563&oldid=179562 * Cleverxia * (+203) /* The proof is invalid */
12:18:49 <esolangs> [[ETC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179564&oldid=165762 * Cleverxia * (+268)
12:27:20 <fizzie> Hrm. IPv6 connectivity seems to have disappeared at around 9:16am local time this morning, and somehow that means fungot won't reconnect even when restarted.
12:27:34 <fizzie> Must be something to do with its socat TLS wrapper thingie.
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12:31:57 <fizzie> Just says "netifd: Interface 'wan6' has lost the connection" in the logs. Odd.
12:35:18 <fizzie> Well, I should probably try turning it off and then on again, at least.
12:37:16 <b_jonas> turning the ISP's modem-router on and off?
12:38:30 <fizzie> Well, it's my own, not my ISP's. That's kind of the problem: if I want to complain to their support, I have to plug in their thing again.
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12:39:30 <fizzie> (The physical interface to this apartment is just regular Ethernet, so there arguably isn't a "modem" involved, though I guess that's debatable.)
12:43:02 <fizzie> Turning my own router-and-wireless-access-point off and then on again did not fix the issue. :/
12:53:14 <fizzie> It's supposed to get its IPv6 address via a DHCPv6 delegation of a /56. Usually at this point I capture some traffic with tcpdump to see if it even tries, but since the last time I've needed to, the software has been updated to use the Linux DSA (Distributed Switch Architecture) system, and now I don't know how to do it.
12:55:10 <fizzie> With DSA, the switch ports appear as separate interfaces with names like `foo@eth0` to iproute2 tools (like `ip`), but tcpdump can't listen on those. It _can_ listen on eth0, but when I try to filter it down to packets of interest it just says "tcpdump: Marvell EDSA link-layer type filtering not implemented".
12:58:50 <fizzie> Oh, it can listen on those pseudo-interfaces after all. I must've typoed the name when I tried it.
13:09:10 <fizzie> Well, it wasn't terribly useful. I can see outgoing DHCPv6 solicit messages, but no responses. There is also one ICMPv6 router advertisement, with no prefixes in it, which I think is how it should be.
13:10:52 <fizzie> I guess at this point I should plug in the ISP's router, but it would be more useful if I could capture the same sort of traces from it, which I have done before (by plugging in a laptop with two Ethernet interfaces configured as a bridge), but it's such a hassle.
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14:38:36 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179565&oldid=178272 * Hotcrystal0 * (+2019) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/178272|178272]] by [[Special:Contributions/Dragoneater67|Dragoneater67]] ([[User talk:Dragoneater67|talk]])
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15:05:41 <esolangs> [[BF instruction minimalization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179566&oldid=173364 * Hammy * (+23) /* Step 1: Minus not needed */ small edit
15:10:53 <esolangs> [[BF instruction minimalization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179567&oldid=179566 * Hammy * (+18) /* Step 3: I/O compression */ semicolon is being parsed as wiki syntax, i dont want that to happen
15:34:49 <esolangs> [[V.O.I.D.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179568&oldid=179561 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+29)
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17:41:47 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179569&oldid=179529 * Initys * (+46) /* Introductions */
18:01:40 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179570&oldid=179565 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-2019) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/179565|179565]] by [[Special:Contributions/Hotcrystal0|Hotcrystal0]] ([[User talk:Hotcrystal0|talk]]) i dont wanna keep it
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19:40:16 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Astersystem * New user account
19:42:29 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179571&oldid=179569 * Astersystem * (+196) /* Introductions */
19:49:50 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179572&oldid=179376 * Astersystem * (+51) dc made shorter and perl added
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20:08:41 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179573&oldid=179572 * Aadenboy * (+53) /* Lua */ golf in Lua
20:08:57 <aadenboy> same division by zero trick like with the maybe and false machines
20:46:53 <fizzie> Procrastination saves the day again: IPv6 networking came back up on its own.
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21:38:07 <esolangs> [[200]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179574&oldid=179486 * Squidmanescape * (+2) /* Interpreter */
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01:32:50 <esolangs> [[OPRBCM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179575&oldid=179542 * PkmnQ * (-1) it(')s
02:38:59 <esolangs> [[Kolakoski sequence]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179576&oldid=175130 * PkmnQ * (+496) /* ZOWIE */
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03:13:46 <esolangs> [[Minus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179577&oldid=179023 * Tpaefawzen * (+18) /* External resources */ +year
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03:59:20 <esolangs> [[DisFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179578&oldid=160030 * Tpaefawzen * (+89) /* Overview */ +1
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05:14:03 <esolangs> [[Classic?]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179579&oldid=168485 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+286)
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06:07:24 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/RBCL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179580 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+214) Created page with "=== Semantics === The program "pointer" is written as <code>|</code>, and starts at the start of the program: y|x -> 1100x|y (where x is length 2) w|11xz1yz -> w11101xyz| (where x y and z are length 2) x| -> |x1"
06:08:12 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/RBCL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179581&oldid=179580 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+2) /* Semantics */
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13:01:23 <ais523> there's a paper (found via lobste.rs) that claims that f(x,y) = e^x - ln(y) is ELEMENTARY-complete: https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.21852 (the paper itself is terrible but the result is interesting)
13:01:50 <ais523> err, that function + constant 1
13:02:08 <ais523> if I were writing that paper I would have written out a basis for ELEMENTARY in terms of the new operator
13:02:37 <ais523> but the paper doesn't actually do that, just puts a lot of detail into explaining how it was found
13:06:33 <ais523> that said, the claim itself seems very plausible to me: I think the construction starts with f(x,1) = e^x and f(1,x) = e - ln(x), f(1,f(1,x)) = e - x, f(1,f(1,f(1,x)) = e - (e - ln(x)) = ln(x)
13:07:43 <ais523> err, typo, I meant f(1,f(x,1)) = e - x, f(1,f(f(1,x),1)) = e - (e - ln(x)) = ln(x)
13:08:18 <int-e> yeah and f(ln(x),e^y) = x - y so you can bootstrap stuff like x^2 = e^(ln(x) + ln(x))
13:08:53 <int-e> then multiplication from 2xy = (x+y)^2 - x^2 - y^2
13:09:37 <int-e> (such a cute trick, well-known of course from working with inner products and norms)
13:09:49 <ais523> so this is the bit I'm unsure about, because ln(e^x) = x but e^(ln x) has the issue that x might not be in the domain of ln
13:10:24 <int-e> oh I'd restrict to R^+
13:10:26 <ais523> I think the paper is mostly disregarding that issue
13:11:02 <int-e> well. you'd have to jump back and forth between reals and positive reals quite a bit
13:11:18 <ais523> the paper itself seems very "AI-influenced", not necessarily AI-written but it makes a mistake common among AIs where it focuses too much on less important details and not enough on the important ones
13:11:19 <int-e> but I don't think it gets out of hand, just a bit tedious
13:12:35 <int-e> But I haven't written anything down, so it's possible that I'm underestimating the complication.
13:13:19 <ais523> this basis can't obviously compute modulus, I suspect that it could if you go into the complex numbers and use some sort of construction for arcsin or arccos
13:13:44 <ais523> actually, even regular sin or cos could work if you ensure that the input is an integer times an appropriate fraction of pi
13:15:03 <ais523> or, no, that works for mod-2 but not obviously for mod-x
13:15:44 <ais523> the paper is assuming that you're operating on complex numbers but really glosses over the branch cut
13:16:47 <int-e> You can use polynomial interpolation on n-th roots of unity (aka DFT) to do modulo stuff for n > 2 too.
13:17:26 <ais523> as long as the factors you need are constructible
13:17:28 <int-e> maybe just for fixed n?
13:18:06 <ais523> right, doing it for varying n would mean some sort of automatic construction and I think that would involve an arcsin
13:18:16 <ais523> but arcsin seems likely to be possible to build out of this operation
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13:31:49 <int-e> Hmm you have an opportunity to use sin(x) = 2t/(1 + t^2), cos(x) = (1 - t^2)/(1 + t^2) where t = tan(x/2).
13:32:29 <int-e> Just for cuteness; |sin(x)) = sqrt(1 - cos(x)^2) gives you about the same thing
13:33:13 <int-e> either way you can then target e^(ix) = cos(x) + i sin(x), and take the logarithm of that, and hope that the function picks the usual principal value for logarithms.
13:33:36 <int-e> (so the x you get is reduced modulo 2pi)
14:02:49 <ais523> yes, the details of the branch cut in the complex logarithm are super-relevant if you do this with complex numbers, I think
14:33:16 <korvo> ais523: TBH the paper tastes like it was written by a Wolframite; they've always been AI-curious, but when they need to ask the computer for questional numerical results they're using Mathematica rather than ChatGPT.
14:34:17 <korvo> Because complex numbers are required, I'm not really convinced that they've given a good method for computing or representing pocket calculations. The hint at the end about using gradient descent seems more interesting TBH.
14:37:18 <korvo> This reminds me of a recent paper about generalizing orders of magnitude to the complex numbers: https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.03426
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18:50:35 <esolangs> [[Seas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179665&oldid=164476 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+1931) Rectified the truth-machine program in order to militate against an empty stack in the case of zero (0) input, improved the command table's formatting, added a hyperlink to my interpreter implementation, and altered the Unimplemented page category tag to Implemented.
19:15:29 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179666&oldid=179644 * Miui * (-1)
19:29:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Tsrf+afg=tsrfafg.jpg]]"
19:30:01 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179668&oldid=179666 * Miui * (+237)
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20:06:52 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179669&oldid=179668 * Miui * (-1)
20:08:24 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179670&oldid=179669 * Miui * (-148) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */ todo
20:38:41 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Hello,AFG.png]]"
20:50:21 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179672&oldid=179670 * Miui * (+271) /* Hello World */
21:10:39 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179673&oldid=179252 * Aadenboy * (+3) /* Division */ those are not the correct numbers
21:11:50 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179674&oldid=179050 * Aadenboy * (+195) /* my own esolangs */ replace Mhm! program with a more interesting example
21:12:15 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179675&oldid=179673 * Aadenboy * (-2)
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21:36:17 <esolangs> [[Streamlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179676&oldid=178510 * Thebarra * (+70) added some more info + interpreter is now public
21:39:18 <esolangs> [[User:Thebarra]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179677&oldid=130333 * Thebarra * (-40)
21:40:54 <esolangs> [[Streamlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179678&oldid=179676 * Aadenboy * (-36) /* Interpreter */
21:41:45 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179679&oldid=179604 * Thebarra * (+17)
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21:47:07 <esolangs> [[Streamlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179680&oldid=179678 * Thebarra * (+588) added OOO explanantion
21:48:20 <esolangs> [[Streamlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179681&oldid=179680 * Thebarra * (+36) Be more clear
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22:22:10 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:World!AFG.png]]"
22:23:49 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179683&oldid=179672 * Miui * (+118) /* Hello World */
22:25:54 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179684&oldid=179683 * Miui * (+2) /* Hello World */ punctuation
22:31:18 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179685&oldid=179684 * Miui * (+9)
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03:13:29 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179686&oldid=179685 * Miui * (-518)
03:20:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:AFG0.jpg]]"
03:21:23 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179688&oldid=179686 * Miui * (+59) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
03:22:24 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179689&oldid=179688 * Miui * (+25) /* Hello, World! */
03:23:43 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179690&oldid=179689 * Miui * (-6) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
03:24:27 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179691&oldid=179690 * Miui * (-25) /* Hello, World! */
03:27:23 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179692&oldid=179691 * Miui * (+6) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
03:27:44 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179693&oldid=179692 * Miui * (+0) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
03:29:10 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * Miui * uploaded a new version of "[[File:AFG0.jpg]]"
03:30:59 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179695&oldid=179693 * Miui * (+2) /* Hello, World! */
03:32:11 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179696&oldid=179695 * Miui * (+0) /* Program input */
03:33:37 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179697&oldid=179696 * Miui * (+16)
03:39:57 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179698&oldid=179697 * Miui * (+174) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
04:03:01 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179699&oldid=179698 * Miui * (+91) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
04:05:40 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179700&oldid=179699 * Miui * (+179) /* Oragami input */
04:07:11 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179701&oldid=179700 * Miui * (+5) /* Oragami input */
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04:07:47 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179702&oldid=179701 * Miui * (-1) /* Oragami input */
04:08:09 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179703&oldid=179702 * Miui * (+2) /* Oragami input */
04:09:04 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179704&oldid=179703 * Miui * (-837) /* Computational Class */
04:09:50 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179705&oldid=179704 * Miui * (+840)
04:11:46 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179706&oldid=179705 * Miui * (-5) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
04:14:20 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179707&oldid=179706 * Miui * (+5) /* "Hello, World!" */
04:15:07 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179708&oldid=179707 * Miui * (+4) /* "Hello, World!" */
04:22:18 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179709&oldid=179708 * Miui * (+13) /* "Hello, World!" */
04:23:13 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179710&oldid=179709 * Miui * (-175) /* "Hello, World!" */
04:26:09 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179711&oldid=179710 * Miui * (+209)
04:35:08 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179712&oldid=179711 * Miui * (+317) /* Symbolic AFGs (named Oragami) */
04:40:23 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179713&oldid=179712 * Miui * (+4) /* Oragami input */
04:41:38 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179714&oldid=179713 * Miui * (+20) /* Symbolic AFGs (named Oragami) */
04:43:52 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179715&oldid=179714 * Miui * (+42) /* Symbolic AFGs (named Oragami) */
04:44:34 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179716&oldid=179715 * Miui * (-4) /* Symbolic AFGs, named Oragami and Oragam Systems) */
04:45:22 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179717&oldid=179716 * Miui * (-13) /* Symbolic AFGs, named Oragami, Oragam Systems */
04:52:22 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179718&oldid=179717 * Miui * (+415)
04:54:18 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179719&oldid=179718 * Miui * (+12) /* Oragam Systems */
04:55:41 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179720&oldid=179719 * Miui * (+17)
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08:50:43 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Lexane * New user account
09:01:21 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179721&oldid=179647 * Lexane * (+348) /* Introductions */
09:07:46 <esolangs> [[User:Lexane]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179722 * Lexane * (+62) made myself an user page
09:46:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Ggando12 * New user account
09:52:21 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179723&oldid=179721 * Ggando12 * (+222) /* Introductions */
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12:31:50 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179724&oldid=164242 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+167) ----
12:51:26 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179725&oldid=152771 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+230) ----
12:57:38 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179726&oldid=152674 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+58) ----
13:10:19 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179727 * PrySigneToFry * (+5975) Created page with "{{AKA|title=HARD!!!}} is an esoteric programming language designed by PSTF. It is designed to let the programming to be '''hard''' and verbose(hard can both be translated to or in Chinese). = Overview = * Only one data manipulation primitive: swap a b exchanges the
13:10:52 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179728&oldid=179679 * PrySigneToFry * (+19)
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14:56:14 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179729&oldid=179720 * Aadenboy * (+10) /* "Hello, World!" */ inline
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15:27:57 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179730&oldid=179600 * Initys * (-11)
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16:55:53 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Neowneow23 * New user account
16:57:29 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179731&oldid=179723 * Neowneow23 * (+391)
17:02:37 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Avarice * New user account
17:04:50 <esolangs> [[99 bottles of pain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179732&oldid=111095 * MinekPo1 * (+341) add infobox, formatting improvements, quadary->quaternary (per the Arity wikipedia article)
17:06:27 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179733&oldid=179731 * Avarice * (+249)
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18:24:09 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179734&oldid=178722 * Kuashio * (+104) /* Hardware implementations */ Added the brainfuino platform
18:24:39 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179735&oldid=179734 * Kuashio * (+0) /* Hardware implementations */
18:25:48 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179736&oldid=163896 * Kuashio * (+105) /* Implementations including Hardware */ Added the Brainfuino platform
18:28:57 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179737&oldid=179735 * Kuashio * (+182) /* Notable implementations */ Added visual bf
18:29:11 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179738&oldid=179737 * Kuashio * (-1) /* Notable implementations */
19:00:07 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck in 99 bottles of pain]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179739 * MinekPo1 * (+41449) Created page with "A brainfuck implementation written in [[99 bottles of pain]], as a turing completeness proof. a <code>!</code> ends the brainfuck code. Note that implementations strictly complying to the wiki page will not be able to parse this, as this uses
19:03:27 <esolangs> [[99 bottles of pain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179740&oldid=179732 * MinekPo1 * (+123) Include turing completeness proof :)
19:05:38 <esolangs> [[99 bottles of pain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179741&oldid=179740 * MinekPo1 * (+10) rational not real
19:06:15 <esolangs> [[User:MinekPo1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179742&oldid=129433 * MinekPo1 * (+58)
19:09:27 <esolangs> [[OPRBCM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179743&oldid=179575 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+0) + -> ,
19:11:52 <esolangs> [[OPRBCM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179744&oldid=179743 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+123) formatting, cleaning up a little
19:12:16 <esolangs> [[OPRBCM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179745&oldid=179744 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+3)
19:14:49 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck in 99 bottles of pain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179746&oldid=179739 * MinekPo1 * (+3) ber -> beer in the show-off verse
19:15:46 <esolangs> [[SetIncrementor]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179747&oldid=172050 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-9) /* Turing-Completeness proof */ "Apparently, it's Turing Complete." is. a weird phrasing
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19:26:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:Fi]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179748&oldid=154367 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+180) /* Deletion? */
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20:29:25 <lisbeths> korvo: mcr(){ sh|sh;};cjit(){(tcc -run "$1";rm "$1")&};elfc(){ awk '{d["lib"]="#include <"$2".h>\n";d["open"]=$3"=open("$4",O_RDWR)";d["map"]=$2"=mmap(0,"$5",PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,MAP_SHARED,"$3",0);";d["unmap"]="munmap("$2","$3")";d["cpy"]="memcpy("$2","$3","$4")";d["var"]=$2" "$3;d["ctrl"]=$2"("$3"){";d["key"]="case "$2":";p=$2"=";for(i=3;i<=$NF;i++){p=p"
20:29:25 <lisbeths> "$i}d["op"]=p;d["get"]=$2"=*("$3"*)("$4")";d["set"]="*("$2"*)("$3")="$4;d["seek"]=$2"=(void*)((char*)"$2"+(intptr_t)"$3")";o=d[$2];if(!o){o=$2}print o";"}';}; #fastlang ©2026 john morris beck licensed gpl2 #change init,map,unmap,&cpy 2 correct arch code.4 macros: github.com/pahihu/basforth/blob/master/basforth.awk
21:56:18 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179749&oldid=179729 * Miui * (+301) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
21:58:02 <esolangs> [[C@++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179750&oldid=175634 * BoundedBeans * (+14) Indicate language for interpreter
21:59:46 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179751&oldid=179749 * Miui * (+127) /* Computational Class */
22:01:03 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179752&oldid=179751 * Miui * (-1) /* Computational Class */
22:01:46 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179753&oldid=179752 * Miui * (+1) /* Computational Class */
22:04:46 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179754&oldid=179753 * Miui * (+175)
22:05:44 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179755&oldid=179754 * Miui * (-8)
22:06:16 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179756&oldid=179755 * Miui * (+4) /* Recursion */
22:06:37 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179757&oldid=179756 * Miui * (+4) /* tsrf and the Register Lattice */
22:06:53 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179758&oldid=179757 * Miui * (+4) /* Symbolic Fixed-Point Encoding */
22:07:18 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179759&oldid=179758 * Miui * (+4) /* The 1 Operator */
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22:15:48 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179760&oldid=179759 * Miui * (+132)
22:17:31 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179761&oldid=179760 * Miui * (+151)
22:19:04 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179762&oldid=179761 * Miui * (+14) /* Computational Class */
22:22:22 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179763&oldid=179762 * Miui * (+18) /* "Hello, World!" */
22:36:42 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:TyVqUIECBAgAABAgQIECBAoCIwfx2l2Q4JWXgAAAAASUVORK5CYII=.png]]"
22:40:07 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179765&oldid=179763 * Miui * (+75) /* "Hello, World!" */
22:43:01 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179766&oldid=179765 * Miui * (-75) /* "Hello, World!" */
22:46:58 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179767&oldid=179766 * Miui * (+143) /* "Hello, World!" */
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22:55:27 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179768&oldid=179609 * Miui * (+104)
22:55:48 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179769&oldid=179768 * Miui * (-1)
23:01:58 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179770&oldid=179767 * Miui * (+82)
23:02:12 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179771&oldid=179770 * Miui * (+1)
23:02:46 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179772&oldid=179771 * Miui * (+2)
23:03:10 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179773&oldid=179772 * Miui * (+8)
23:07:58 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179774&oldid=179773 * Miui * (+224)
23:12:19 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Nope..png]]"
23:12:48 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179776&oldid=179769 * Miui * (+54)
23:14:10 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179777&oldid=179774 * Miui * (+73)
23:18:54 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179778&oldid=174386 * Miui * (+473)
23:21:39 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179779&oldid=179778 * Miui * (+7) /* Oragami */
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00:49:06 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179780&oldid=179777 * Miui * (+6481) /* Note on technical limitations. */
01:09:00 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179781&oldid=179780 * Miui * (-17) /* Nope. */
01:46:37 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179782&oldid=174307 * Hotcrystal0 * (+142)
01:53:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Hamfreebird * New user account
01:54:31 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179783&oldid=176976 * Menguinponky * (+353)
01:55:42 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179784&oldid=179783 * Menguinponky * (+2)
02:02:15 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179785&oldid=179733 * Hamfreebird * (+278)
02:32:21 <esolangs> [[Stardust]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179786 * Hamfreebird * (+993) create page
03:50:33 <esolangs> [[This is a]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179787 * TheCatFromGithub * (+504) Created page with "'''This is a''' is an esolang by [[User:TheCatFromGithub]] (and hopefully others soon). Each program consists of the following structure: This is a <program type> program. <body> Programs may take input. ==Program types== ===Hello World=== Takes no input
04:06:06 <esolangs> [[User:TheCatFromGithub]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179788&oldid=177883 * TheCatFromGithub * (+17) /* Originals */ i made that
04:24:22 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179789&oldid=178128 * TheCatFromGithub * (+0) bump dialect count
04:26:11 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179790&oldid=179784 * Menguinponky * (+7)
04:46:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Yayimhere2(school) * moved [["Bosol"]] to [[Bosol]]: " around the name for some reason, but only in the title
04:55:27 <esolangs> [[Width (yayimhere)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179793&oldid=176817 * TheCatFromGithub * (+0) fix typo
04:58:33 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179794&oldid=179790 * Menguinponky * (+326)
05:04:08 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179795&oldid=179794 * Menguinponky * (-107)
05:05:08 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179796&oldid=179795 * Menguinponky * (+0)
05:10:16 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179797&oldid=179796 * Menguinponky * (-58) /* Syntax */
05:11:20 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179798&oldid=179797 * Menguinponky * (+5) /* Limits */
05:12:19 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179799&oldid=179798 * Menguinponky * (+4) /* Syntax */
05:14:48 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179800&oldid=179799 * Menguinponky * (-13) /* Syntax */
05:15:21 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179801&oldid=179800 * Menguinponky * (+3) /* Other examples: */
05:48:20 <esolangs> [[Width (yayimhere)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179802&oldid=179793 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-29)
05:56:54 <esolangs> [[Width (yayimhere)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179803&oldid=179802 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+2) /* Memory */
06:07:02 <zzo38> If there a name for a algorithm of, going through all of the cards and when you find one that matches the wanted criteria, use a one in however many cards you found that match the criteria (including this one) to keep this one and discard the previously selected one?
07:24:44 <esolangs> [[User:EsolangerII]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179804&oldid=178529 * EsolangerII * (+0)
07:27:43 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179805&oldid=179728 * EsolangerII * (+10) /* N */
07:29:09 <esolangs> [[N0N]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179806 * EsolangerII * (+82) Created page with "N0N is and programminlanguage that made by [[User:EsolangerII]]. ''will add info''"
07:29:28 <esolangs> [[User:EsolangerII]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179807&oldid=179804 * EsolangerII * (+10) /* My Projects(Esolangs) */
07:29:41 <esolangs> [[User:EsolangerII]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179808&oldid=179807 * EsolangerII * (-7) /* Now working on... */
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08:05:33 <esolangs> [[N0N]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179809&oldid=179806 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+9)
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08:36:02 <esolangs> [[13ial]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179810&oldid=139490 * Ractangle * (+8) Removed redirect to [[8ial]]
08:37:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179811&oldid=149100 * Ractangle * (-179)
08:37:57 <esolangs> [[Comment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179812&oldid=169087 * Ractangle * (-63) /* Languages with halting instructions/infinite loops */
08:48:34 <esolangs> [[Comment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179813&oldid=179812 * Ractangle * (-4865) cleaned up the page a bit
08:51:01 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179814&oldid=176781 * Ractangle * (+37) /* Stuff */
08:52:05 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox/Comments]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179815 * Ractangle * (+3674) Created page with ":''This page explains how comments are able to be achived in difrent '''languages''' of an esolang, to see how comment are able to be achived in difrent '''categories''', go to [[Comments]]'' ==[[!!brainfeed]]== [Just write anything in matched
08:52:32 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox/Comments]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179816&oldid=179815 * Ractangle * (-2)
08:53:19 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179817&oldid=179814 * Ractangle * (+9) /* Stuff */
08:59:49 <esolangs> [[Comment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179818&oldid=179813 * Ractangle * (+240)
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09:11:52 <esolangs> [[Uiua]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179819&oldid=171950 * DGCK81LNN * (+22)
09:13:02 <esolangs> [[Braindamage]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179820&oldid=168037 * Thejoni * (-1)
09:13:30 <esolangs> [[Braindamage]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179821&oldid=179820 * Thejoni * (-81) /* History */
09:15:41 <esolangs> [[N0N]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179822&oldid=179809 * EsolangerII * (+678)
09:16:00 <esolangs> [[N0N]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179823&oldid=179822 * EsolangerII * (-10)
09:31:29 <esolangs> [[Blocked]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179824&oldid=175980 * Ractangle * (-13) Removed redirect to [[Number-rewriting paradigm]]
09:33:14 <esolangs> [[Blainbuk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179825&oldid=172766 * Ractangle * (-16) Removed redirect to [[Esoteric Sequence of Numbers]]
09:35:44 <esolangs> [[Postrado]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179826&oldid=169251 * Ractangle * (-4) just use teenage gaham :sob::pray:
09:39:50 <esolangs> [[Compass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179827&oldid=164396 * Ractangle * (-13) Removed redirect to [[Interactive Thon Language]]
09:42:27 <esolangs> [[Gaham's Sequence Database-like Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179828&oldid=163601 * Ractangle * (-228)
09:45:24 <esolangs> [[Hny021]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179829&oldid=163346 * Ractangle * (+2) /* Interpreter */
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11:10:53 <esolangs> [[T F]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179830&oldid=179476 * Esolang lover123 * (+729) stuff
11:11:40 <esolangs> [[T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179831&oldid=179830 * Esolang lover123 * (+1)
11:11:58 <esolangs> [[T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179832&oldid=179831 * Esolang lover123 * (+2)
11:26:54 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179833&oldid=179727 * PrySigneToFry * (-9)
12:09:59 <esolangs> [[Hardasm]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179834 * PrySigneToFry * (+2622) Created page with "Hardasm is a programming language designed by PSTF to make programmers can program more easily in [[]]. = Compare with original version = == Arithmetic and Data == Hardasm added these commands to lower the programming difficulcy: * move a b transfers the value o
12:10:58 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179835&oldid=179833 * PrySigneToFry * (+26)
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12:26:22 <esolangs> [[Hny021]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179836&oldid=179829 * PkmnQ * (+0)
12:28:12 <esolangs> [[Hny021]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179837&oldid=179836 * PkmnQ * (-2)
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13:20:49 <esolangs> [[EsoGPT]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179839 * Esolang lover123 * (+88) Created page with "talk to chatgpt and make it do programs. if you find a program put it below ==Programs=="
13:24:17 <esolangs> [[EsoGPT]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179840&oldid=179839 * Esolang lover123 * (+45)
13:25:50 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179841&oldid=179805 * Esolang lover123 * (+13)
13:44:52 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179842&oldid=179838 * TheCatFromGithub * (+2) /* Type 86 */ one headiing too large
13:47:13 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179843&oldid=179842 * TheCatFromGithub * (+1) bump and pluralize
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14:20:47 <esolangs> [[User:TheCatFromGithub/random links]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179844 * TheCatFromGithub * (+209) Created page with "== You == * [[Special:MyPage/common.js|Your main custom JS]] * [[Special:MyPage/common.css|Your main custom CSS]] == Me == * [[User:TheCatFromGithub|My user page]] * [[User talk:TheCatFromGithub|My talk page]]"
14:22:23 <esolangs> [[User:TheCatFromGithub]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179845&oldid=179788 * TheCatFromGithub * (-277)
14:22:46 <esolangs> [[User:TheCatFromGithub]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179846&oldid=179845 * TheCatFromGithub * (+13)
14:24:06 <esolangs> [[User:TheCatFromGithub/common.js]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179847 * TheCatFromGithub * (+29) Created page with "console.log("Hello, World!");"
14:24:54 <esolangs> [[User:TheCatFromGithub/common.js]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179848&oldid=179847 * TheCatFromGithub * (-29) not needed, just testing
14:25:40 <esolangs> [[User:TheCatFromGithub/common.css]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179849 * TheCatFromGithub * (+25) test
14:26:16 <esolangs> [[User:TheCatFromGithub/common.css]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179850&oldid=179849 * TheCatFromGithub * (-25) that was fun
14:28:20 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179851&oldid=179841 * Initys * (+32) /* P */
14:28:37 <esolangs> [[This is a]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179852&oldid=179787 * TheCatFromGithub * (+125) /* Program types */ add
14:29:38 <esolangs> [[Loss't]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179853&oldid=173142 * TheCatFromGithub * (-1) Fix typo
14:30:58 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179854&oldid=179851 * Initys * (-15) /* P */
14:31:10 <esolangs> [[User:TheCatFromGithub]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179855&oldid=179846 * TheCatFromGithub * (+68) add contributions
14:31:53 <esolangs> [[User:TheCatFromGithub]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179856&oldid=179855 * TheCatFromGithub * (+58) /* My Contributions */ full list here
14:33:06 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179857&oldid=179730 * Initys * (+70) /* See also */
14:42:17 <esolangs> [[User:TheCatFromGithub/random links]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179858&oldid=179844 * TheCatFromGithub * (+86) random featured language
14:55:50 <esolangs> [[Vonfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179859 * TheCatFromGithub * (+756) Created page with "'''Vonfuck''' is a [[brainfuck derivatives|brainfuck deriviative]] by [[User:TheCatFromGithub]] in 2026. It is just like [[brainfuck]], but the program is stored in the same memory of the data. Instructions are stored mod 8. {|class="wikitable" ! Instruction !!
14:56:10 <esolangs> [[User:TheCatFromGithub]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179860&oldid=179856 * TheCatFromGithub * (+15) /* Trivial */
14:57:56 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179861&oldid=179857 * Initys * (+148)
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14:59:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:EsoGPT]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179862 * Corbin * (+120) Created page with "This is not how the wiki ought to be used. ~~~~"
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15:46:14 <esolangs> [[Object-oriented paradigm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179863&oldid=177576 * Corbin * (+0) /* Schemata */ Python is prototype-based, not class-based; any message can be sent to any object at runtime, no cast needed. This is a common misconception.
17:16:05 <esolangs> [[Loss't]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179864&oldid=179853 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+34)
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18:23:20 <esolangs> [[ToFunction]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179865&oldid=179664 * EsolangerII * (+1) /* Step vs Term */
18:30:37 <esolangs> [[ToFunction]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179866&oldid=179865 * EsolangerII * (+636) /* Python */
18:33:04 <esolangs> [[ToFunction]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179867&oldid=179866 * EsolangerII * (-132) /* Swapper(binary) */
19:22:23 <esolangs> [[1r]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179868&oldid=179322 * Squidmanescape * (+300) /* Code */
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22:27:37 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179869&oldid=179781 * Miui * (+4) /* Symbolic AFGs and named Oragami */ linked [Ora] lang
22:30:06 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179870&oldid=179869 * Miui * (+2) /* Oragami input */ link [[Runic]]
22:32:06 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179871&oldid=179870 * Miui * (+62) /* Oragami input */
22:32:57 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179872&oldid=179871 * Miui * (+1) /* Oragami input */ grammar
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22:42:02 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179873&oldid=179854 * Miui * (+13) added [[Oragami]]
22:44:52 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179874&oldid=179873 * Miui * (+1) /* O */ link fmt correction
22:50:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Elemental * New user account
22:50:41 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179875&oldid=179872 * Miui * (-4) /* Symbolic Fixed-Point Encoding */ wording for quantity
22:54:05 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179876&oldid=179875 * Miui * (+15) /* Note on technical limitations. */
23:00:21 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179877&oldid=179876 * Miui * (-6497) /* Note on technical limitations. */ not sure how to phrase this part regarding technical limitations and GMP parallel
23:03:15 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179878&oldid=179785 * Elemental * (+102) /* Introductions */
23:04:07 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179879&oldid=179877 * Miui * (+2) * note
23:08:39 <esolangs> [[User:Elemental]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179880 * Elemental * (+893) Created page with "well uhh heres some programs. befunge 93 <code> v v<z v<zzz v<>:v<< v<>^,_@^z <_v^"USE A" <zz>>>>vz^zzz z^"aN"<z>>>>>vz zv"arch btw
23:11:17 <esolangs> [[User:Elemental]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179881&oldid=179880 * Elemental * (+21)
23:12:13 <esolangs> [[User:Elemental]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179882&oldid=179881 * Elemental * (+0)
23:13:02 <esolangs> [[User:Elemental]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179883&oldid=179882 * Elemental * (+6)
23:19:51 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179884&oldid=179879 * Miui * (+55) recategorizing
23:20:26 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179885&oldid=179884 * Miui * (+1) /* Note on technical limitations*. */
23:21:40 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179886&oldid=179885 * Miui * (-1) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/179885|179885]] by [[Special:Contributions/Miui|Miui]] ([[User talk:Miui|talk]])
23:22:05 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179887&oldid=179886 * Miui * (-34) /* Note on technical limitations*. */
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00:24:47 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179889&oldid=179887 * Miui * (-1) Recategorizing
00:33:13 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179890&oldid=179889 * Miui * (+28)
00:33:45 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179891&oldid=179890 * Miui * (+1)
00:36:36 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179892&oldid=179891 * Miui * (+227) /* Computational Class */
00:39:06 <esolangs> [[Category:Graph-rewriting paradigm]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179893 * Miui * (+55) Created page with "Languages based on [[Graph rewriting|graph rewriting.]]"
00:40:35 <esolangs> [[Graph rewriting]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179894&oldid=100016 * Miui * (+247)
00:41:27 <esolangs> [[Graph rewriting]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179895&oldid=179894 * Miui * (+4)
00:43:08 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179896&oldid=179892 * Miui * (+0) /* See Also */
00:45:48 <esolangs> [[Works in progress]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179897&oldid=179125 * Miui * (+14)
00:46:20 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179898&oldid=179896 * Miui * (+30)
00:55:23 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179899&oldid=179898 * Miui * (+26)
01:12:00 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179900&oldid=179899 * Miui * (+321) /* Oragami input */
01:20:39 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179901&oldid=179900 * Miui * (+125) /* See Also */
01:22:07 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179902&oldid=179901 * Miui * (+2) /* Oragam Systems */
01:28:30 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179903&oldid=179902 * Miui * (+63) /* Symbolic AFGs and named Oragami */
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01:34:39 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179904&oldid=179903 * Miui * (-24) /* See Also */
01:38:07 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179905&oldid=179904 * Miui * (-11) /* See Also */
01:38:33 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179906&oldid=179905 * Miui * (+0) /* See Also */
01:40:00 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179907&oldid=179906 * Miui * (+0) /* See Also */
01:41:38 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179908&oldid=179907 * Miui * (+27) /* Symbolic AFGs and named Oragami */
01:46:49 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179909&oldid=179908 * Miui * (+93) /* Note on technical limitations*. */
01:49:01 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179910&oldid=179909 * Miui * (+22) /* Note on technical limitations*. */
01:49:53 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179911&oldid=179910 * Miui * (+4) /* Note on technical limitations*. */
01:53:20 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179912&oldid=179911 * Miui * (+64) /* Note on technical limitations*. */ done
01:55:25 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179913&oldid=179912 * Miui * (+4) /* Memory Model */
02:00:17 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179914&oldid=179913 * Miui * (+29)
02:01:23 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179915&oldid=179914 * Miui * (+2) /* Nope. */
02:02:55 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179916&oldid=179915 * Miui * (+42) /* "Nope." */
02:03:50 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179917&oldid=179916 * Miui * (+1) /* "Nope." */
02:05:04 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179918&oldid=179917 * Miui * (+2) /* Oragami input */
02:07:55 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179919&oldid=179918 * Miui * (+57) /* Memory Model */
02:09:18 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179920&oldid=179919 * Miui * (+10) /* The 1 Operator */
02:12:06 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179921&oldid=179920 * Miui * (+8) /* Note on technical limitations*. */
02:12:34 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179922&oldid=179921 * Miui * (+0) /* 1. Not Original */
02:14:00 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179923&oldid=179922 * Miui * (+2)
02:14:36 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179924&oldid=179923 * Miui * (+0) /* 1. Not original, */
02:15:50 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179925&oldid=179924 * Miui * (+0)
02:17:56 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179926&oldid=179925 * Miui * (+4) /* See Also */
02:18:45 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179927&oldid=179926 * Miui * (-2) /* Notes on technical limitations**. */
02:19:45 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179928&oldid=179927 * Miui * (-1) /* Notes on technical limitations**. */
02:38:09 <esolangs> [[Uiua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179929&oldid=179819 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+136) ----
02:48:08 <esolangs> [[Uiua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179930&oldid=179929 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+64) ----
03:09:49 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179931&oldid=179928 * Miui * (+36) /* Symbolic AFGs and named Oragami */
03:13:22 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179932&oldid=179931 * Miui * (+138) /* Symbolic AFGs and named Oragami */
03:13:51 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179933&oldid=179932 * Miui * (+4) /* Symbolic AFGs and named Oragami */
03:14:18 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179934&oldid=179933 * Miui * (+1) /* Symbolic AFGs and named Oragami */
03:16:06 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179935&oldid=179934 * Miui * (+2) /* Symbolic AFGs and named Oragami */
03:17:00 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179936&oldid=179935 * Miui * (-180) /* Symbolic AFGs and named Oragami */
03:17:20 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179937&oldid=179936 * Miui * (-1) /* Symbolic AFGs and named Oragami */
03:17:42 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179938&oldid=179937 * Miui * (+181) /* Colors */
03:18:02 <esolangs> [[Uiua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179939&oldid=179930 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+100) ----
03:24:13 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179940&oldid=179938 * Miui * (+42) /* Colors */
03:24:56 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179941&oldid=179940 * Miui * (-1) /* Colors */
03:25:40 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179942&oldid=179941 * Miui * (-1) /* Oragami input */
03:26:05 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179943&oldid=179942 * Miui * (+1) /* Colors */
03:28:04 <esolangs> [[Uiua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179944&oldid=179939 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+111) ----
03:32:06 <esolangs> [[Uiua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179945&oldid=179944 * Aadenboy * (-59) convert to unicode equivalents
04:46:12 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179946&oldid=179943 * Miui * (+109) /* Colors */
04:46:33 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179947&oldid=179946 * Miui * (+1) /* Colors */
05:03:28 <esolangs> [[Stackowey]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179948&oldid=176228 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-199) /* Turing-completeness */ removed some of this section, since its a generalcommentaboutthe physical impossibility of being TC so...
05:46:36 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179949&oldid=179947 * Miui * (+29)
05:47:25 <esolangs> [[ToFunction]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179950&oldid=179867 * EsolangerII * (-9)
05:52:32 <esolangs> [[ToFunction]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179951&oldid=179950 * EsolangerII * (+27)
05:53:33 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179952&oldid=179949 * Miui * (-2) /* Colors */ correct "interpreting" spelling
05:59:27 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179953&oldid=179952 * Miui * (+4) /* Oragami input */
06:07:20 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179954&oldid=179953 * Miui * (-4)
06:10:13 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Graph-rewriting paradigm]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179955 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+205) Created page with "I assume this was an unnaproved category, and also, this is just [[Category:Graph-based]] --~~~~"
06:12:04 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Graph-rewriting paradigm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179956&oldid=179955 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1)
06:17:11 <esolangs> [[Apraxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179957&oldid=174405 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+28) /* Semantics */
06:18:17 <esolangs> [[Apraxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179958&oldid=179957 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-1) /* Examples */
06:18:37 <esolangs> [[Apraxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179959&oldid=179958 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-29) /* Semantics */
06:26:18 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179960&oldid=179954 * Miui * (+74)
06:28:05 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179961&oldid=179960 * Miui * (+4)
06:28:54 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179962&oldid=179961 * Miui * (+0)
06:30:04 <esolangs> [[Apraxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179963&oldid=179959 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+2) /* Semantics */
06:32:05 <esolangs> [[Cirt e mys]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179964&oldid=176173 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-22) /* Notation */
06:32:49 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179965&oldid=179962 * Miui * (+62) /* See Also */
06:33:09 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179966&oldid=179965 * Miui * (+0) /* See Also */
06:34:08 <esolangs> [[Cirt e mys]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179967&oldid=179964 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+84) /* Computational class */
06:34:08 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179968&oldid=179966 * Miui * (+0) /* See Also */
06:45:52 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179969&oldid=179968 * Miui * (+228) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
06:46:18 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179970&oldid=179969 * Miui * (-1) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
06:47:19 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179971&oldid=179970 * Miui * (-1) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
06:50:06 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179972&oldid=179971 * Miui * (+127) /* See Also */
06:52:38 <esolangs> [[T F]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179973&oldid=179832 * Esolang lover123 * (+332) wow that was actually pretty easy...
06:54:26 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179974&oldid=179972 * Miui * (+14) /* 1 Hypergraph Constructor */
06:54:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179975&oldid=179455 * Esolang lover123 * (+48)
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06:59:01 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179976&oldid=179974 * Miui * (+4) /* tsrf and the Register Lattice */
06:59:46 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179977&oldid=179976 * Miui * (-6) /* tsrf and the Register Lattice */
07:01:25 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179978&oldid=179977 * Miui * (+35) /* 1 Hypergraph Constructor */
07:01:47 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179979&oldid=179978 * Miui * (-1) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
07:02:36 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179980&oldid=179979 * Miui * (+0) /* 1 Hypergraph Constructor */
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07:08:40 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179981&oldid=179980 * Miui * (+221) /* Oragami input */
07:09:46 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179982&oldid=179981 * Miui * (+2) /* Oragami input */
07:11:40 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179983&oldid=179982 * Miui * (-102) /* MIDI */
07:13:59 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179984&oldid=179983 * Miui * (+76) /* MIDI */
07:17:28 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179985&oldid=179984 * Miui * (+37) /* MIDI */
07:18:12 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179986&oldid=179985 * Miui * (+0) /* 2. GNU Multi precision Arithmetic */
07:18:49 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179987&oldid=179986 * Miui * (-1) /* 2. GNU Multi-precision Arithmetic */
07:20:55 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179988&oldid=179987 * Miui * (+18) /* Computational Class */
07:21:56 <esolangs> [[Uiua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179989&oldid=179945 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+149) ----
07:36:21 <esolangs> [[Uiua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179990&oldid=179989 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+156) ----
07:45:46 <esolangs> [[Uiua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179991&oldid=179990 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+255) ----
07:51:05 <esolangs> [[TemplateWipAccedentallyCreatedTemplate]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179992&oldid=106054 * Squidmanescape * (+81)
07:57:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Asahi Inoue * New user account
08:05:26 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179993&oldid=179878 * Asahi Inoue * (+173)
08:05:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Squidmanescape * moved [[Descriptive Program]] to [[Supervised P with Printing]]: I want to revamp this language.
08:09:10 <esolangs> [[Warp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179996&oldid=75637 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-13) /* Structure */
08:11:45 <esolangs> [[Talk:TemplateWipAccedentallyCreatedTemplate]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179997 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+183) Created page with "i think that this template should be deleted because its redundant ~~~~"
08:12:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:TemplateWipAccedentallyCreatedTemplate]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=179998&oldid=179997 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-183) its not a template
08:14:01 <esolangs> [[User:Asahi Inoue]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=179999 * Asahi Inoue * (+5471) Created page with "==Katakamuna Lang== '''Katakamuna Lang''' () is an [[esoteric programming language]] created in 2026 by Asahi Inoue, based on the 73 phonetic symbols () of the ancient Japanese Katakamuna script. The language is [[Turing complete|Turing complete]], proven
08:15:18 <esolangs> [[Supervised P with Printing]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180000&oldid=179994 * Squidmanescape * (+531)
08:16:57 <esolangs> [[Katakamuna Lang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180001 * Asahi Inoue * (+5471) Created page with "==Katakamuna Lang== '''Katakamuna Lang''' () is an [[esoteric programming language]] created in 2026 by Asahi Inoue, based on the 73 phonetic symbols () of the ancient Japanese Katakamuna script. The language is [[Turing complete|Turing complete]], proven
08:22:14 <esolangs> [[User:Asahi Inoue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180002&oldid=179999 * Asahi Inoue * (-4349)
08:24:31 <esolangs> [[Brainblend++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180003&oldid=128727 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-228) Blanked the page
08:27:55 <esolangs> [[Katakamuna Lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180004&oldid=180001 * Asahi Inoue * (+401)
08:33:43 <esolangs> [[Katakamuna Lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180005&oldid=180004 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+52)
09:04:36 <esolangs> [[Uiua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180006&oldid=179991 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+75) ----
09:14:54 <esolangs> [[Uiua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180007&oldid=180006 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+271) ----
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12:13:59 <int-e> fungot: Nice to see you!
12:14:00 <fungot> int-e: write a lisp like language...
12:14:35 <int-e> fungot: (nicep (seep you))
12:14:35 <fungot> int-e: i believe he is. it doesn't make a great deal
12:16:27 <int-e> . o O ( prompt engineering is the opposite of tardy patchwork )
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12:38:48 <b_jonas> fungot: I have written one. it's at https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Scripts/Scheme
12:38:48 <fungot> b_jonas: i should really go about constructing your cps transformer? otoh, 0 for nop looks nice... it's indeed a nice idea
12:40:37 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180008&oldid=179988 * Miui * (+54) /* See Also */
12:41:17 <esolangs> [[Quantum Oragami]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180009 * Miui * (+2548) Created page with "Quantum Oragami == '''Quantum Oragami''' is an interpretation of Oragami in which the classical prefix/affix recursion is replaced by a quantum fixedpoint projection. Instead of applying the recursion operator a large number of times, a quantum Oragami machine col
12:41:47 <esolangs> [[Quantum Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180010&oldid=180009 * Miui * (+3)
12:45:08 <esolangs> [[Quantum Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180011&oldid=180010 * Miui * (+54)
12:47:24 <esolangs> [[Quantum Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180012&oldid=180011 * Miui * (+0)
12:48:08 <esolangs> [[Template talk:Infobox proglang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180013&oldid=65166 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+187)
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12:53:56 <esolangs> [[Quantum Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180014&oldid=180012 * Miui * (+4)
12:55:29 <esolangs> [[Katakamuna Lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180015&oldid=180005 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-63) improvement
13:24:52 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180016&oldid=179861 * Initys * (-1180) /* Hello, World! */
13:56:22 <esolangs> [[Calculus Constructio]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180017 * PlaceReporter99 * (+9635) Create the page
13:58:43 <esolangs> [[Calculus Constructio]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180018&oldid=180017 * PlaceReporter99 * (-1500) ChatGPT convert it to mediawiki format
14:28:24 <esolangs> [[Calculus Constructio]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180019&oldid=180018 * PlaceReporter99 * (+4) Fix formatting issue
14:36:57 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180020&oldid=179843 * PrySigneToFry * (+1011)
14:38:09 <esolangs> [[Better-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180021&oldid=179659 * PrySigneToFry * (+22)
14:39:32 <esolangs> [[Calculus Constructio]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180022&oldid=180019 * PlaceReporter99 * (+152) Add categories
14:57:41 <esolangs> [[Uiua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180023&oldid=180007 * Aadenboy * (-203) convert to Unicode equivalents
15:01:53 <esolangs> [[Template talk:Infobox proglang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180024&oldid=180013 * Aadenboy * (+440)
15:03:56 <esolangs> [[Katakamuna]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180025 * Aadenboy * (+29) Redirected page to [[Katakamuna Lang]]
15:04:15 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180026 * Aadenboy * (+29) Redirected page to [[Katakamuna Lang]]
15:14:47 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180027&oldid=180008 * Aadenboy * (-44)
15:15:11 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180028&oldid=180027 * Aadenboy * (-12) probably not
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15:28:29 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180029&oldid=180016 * Initys * (+282) /* 99 Coins */
15:29:39 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180030&oldid=180029 * Initys * (+16) /* Truth-machine */
15:37:27 <esolangs> [[User:5anz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180031&oldid=169827 * 5anz * (+245) /* Collatz Multiverse */
15:45:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:Unary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180032&oldid=151289 * L4.m2 * (+167) /* Unnecessarily of leading one */ new section
15:46:10 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180033&oldid=180030 * Initys * (+0) /* Big flag */
15:46:54 <esolangs> [[Talk:Playerlang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180034 * Aadenboy * (+641) Created page with "99 coins program would work better with this song (matching the timing and rhyming pattern of the original song) x shiny gold coins in the room x shiny gold coins Another one found Now look all around x-1 shiny gold coins in the room ... No shiny gold co
15:48:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180035&oldid=180034 * Aadenboy * (+8)
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17:56:05 <esolangs> [[Calculus Constructio]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180038&oldid=180036 * Aadenboy * (-34) h3 -> h2
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18:10:08 <esolangs> [[1nteger]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180039 * 5anz * (+3409) Created page with "Hello I make Esolang that is have am got 1 integer. 1integer. 1nteger. 1teger. Ok actually I went too far with that I like the 2nd last one. It's been a while since I '''EXISTED''' here so I may describe things differenter. -~~~ == Synatx and stuff == Idk what to say he
18:11:05 <esolangs> [[User:5anz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180040&oldid=180031 * 5anz * (-150) /* 1nteger */
18:15:29 <esolangs> [[Calculus Constructio]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180041&oldid=180038 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+24)
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18:17:17 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180042&oldid=180037 * Initys * (-132) /* Output */
18:18:51 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180043&oldid=180042 * Initys * (+91) /* Pointer */
18:22:02 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180044&oldid=180043 * Initys * (+31)
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18:29:07 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180045&oldid=180044 * Initys * (+394) /* Math */
18:33:36 <esolangs> [[1nteger]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180046&oldid=180039 * 5anz * (+25) /* Functions */
18:45:20 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180047&oldid=180028 * Miui * (+138) /* Colors */
18:49:12 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180048&oldid=180047 * Miui * (+91) /* Colors */
18:49:28 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180049&oldid=180048 * Miui * (+0) /* Colors */
19:09:14 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180050&oldid=180045 * Initys * (+1117) /* Examples */
19:09:50 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180051&oldid=180050 * Initys * (+11) /* Calculator */
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19:20:14 <esolangs> [[1nteger]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180052&oldid=180046 * 5anz * (+1700) /* More stuff in like a little bit probably. */
19:25:47 <esolangs> [[1nteger]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180053&oldid=180052 * 5anz * (+159) /* Examples */
19:34:01 <esolangs> [[1nteger]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180054&oldid=180053 * 5anz * (-49) /* Logic */
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20:12:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:Calculus Constructio]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180055 * PlaceReporter99 * (+203) Created page with "I think it is possible to program cyclic tag in this language, making it Turing complete. ~~~~"
20:16:26 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180056&oldid=179779 * Miui * (+13)
20:17:42 <esolangs> [[1nteger]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180057&oldid=180054 * 5anz * (+1002) /* TC proof is still being written */
20:43:11 <int-e> b_jonas: oh fun, 1.0 will change color mixing, adding black and uncolored as colors. You get black by mixing white and white, and uncolored by mixing white and black? Which... will break my MAM. So much for blueprints carrying over :P
20:43:23 <int-e> shapez 2 1.0 that is
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21:08:07 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180058&oldid=180049 * Miui * (+392) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
21:08:41 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180059&oldid=180058 * Miui * (-40) /* note about interpretation */
21:09:49 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180060&oldid=180059 * Miui * (+0) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
21:12:03 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180061&oldid=180060 * Miui * (+68) /* note about interpretation */
21:13:31 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180062&oldid=180061 * Miui * (+37) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */
21:15:01 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox/null]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180063 * Ractangle * (+1097) Created page with "==1== Stub '''*python''' (or '''it's python''') is an esolang created by [[User:Ractangle]] where it's syntax is python but with major changes. ==Syntax== List:{{cd|[[arg1]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[arg2]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[arg3]]}} <br>Variable creation an
21:15:55 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180064&oldid=162396 * Ractangle * (-1041) Redirected page to [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox/null#1]]
21:16:56 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180065&oldid=180062 * Miui * (+2) /* note about interpretation */
21:18:53 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180066&oldid=180065 * Miui * (+33) /* See Also */
21:26:00 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180067&oldid=180066 * Miui * (+61) /* See Also */
21:31:21 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180068&oldid=180067 * Miui * (+132) /* Examples */
21:31:56 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180069&oldid=180068 * Miui * (+0) /* "Oragami in important lesbian vitural machine." */
21:32:29 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180070&oldid=180069 * Miui * (+1) /* Examples */
21:34:56 <esolangs> [[SaHuTOrEPoL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180071&oldid=117208 * MinekPo1 * (+63) WIP rewrite page as to not leave it in such a sorry state that it was in before. Hopefully I will have the energy to work on this more.
21:35:20 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180072&oldid=180070 * Miui * (+35) /* "Oragami in important lesbian vitural machine." */
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21:38:14 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180076&oldid=180075 * Miui * (-11) /* "Oragami in important lesbian vitural machine." */ struggling for format due to technical limitations naturally
21:38:44 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180077&oldid=180076 * Miui * (+16) /* "Oragami in important lesbian vitural machine." */
21:39:59 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180078&oldid=180077 * Miui * (+1) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/180077|180077]] by [[Special:Contributions/Miui|Miui]] ([[User talk:Miui|talk]])
21:43:58 <esolangs> [[Metalanguage]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180079&oldid=156038 * PlaceReporter99 * (+4) The RegEx didnt match 0 previously
21:44:24 <esolangs> [[Metalanguage]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180080&oldid=180079 * PlaceReporter99 * (-22) /* Formal language theory */
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21:52:29 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180085&oldid=180084 * Miui * (+0) /* "Oragami in important lesbian vitural machine." */ testing ilvm
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22:02:48 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180089&oldid=180088 * Miui * (+4) /* "Oragami in important lesbian vitural machine." */
22:03:21 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180090&oldid=180089 * Miui * (-2) /* "Oragami in important lesbian vitural machine." */
22:04:32 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180091&oldid=180090 * Miui * (+56) /* "Oragami in important lesbian vitural machine." */
22:05:30 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180092&oldid=166673 * Int-e * (-2) /* Example: solve Erds-Straus conjecture */ fix formula
22:06:19 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180093&oldid=180091 * Miui * (+21) /* "Oragami in important lesbian vitural machine." */
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22:26:36 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180096&oldid=180095 * Miui * (+216) /* Examples */
22:28:30 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180097&oldid=180096 * Miui * (+11) /* Examples */
22:29:03 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180098&oldid=180097 * Miui * (+1) /* Examples */
22:30:48 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180099&oldid=180098 * Miui * (+37) /* "Oragami in important lesbian vitural machine." */
22:38:03 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180100&oldid=180099 * Miui * (+2) /* XKCD Random Number */
22:38:52 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180101&oldid=180100 * Miui * (+10) /* Examples */
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22:41:10 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180103&oldid=180102 * Miui * (+5) /* "XKCD Random Number" */
22:47:55 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180104&oldid=180103 * Miui * (+10) /* "XKCD Random Number" */
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22:50:39 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180106&oldid=180105 * Miui * (-7) /* "XKCD Random Number" */
22:51:33 <fizzie> That's a whole lotta edits.
22:58:09 <esolangs> [[XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180107&oldid=178111 * Miui * (+222)
22:59:36 <esolangs> [[XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180108&oldid=180107 * Miui * (+1) /* Oragami */
23:07:00 <int-e> yeah I wish people would use the preview button
23:07:15 <int-e> (my pet term for those is micro-edits)
23:46:15 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Template:Wip]]": temporary deletion as part of a history merge
23:46:51 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ais523 * moved [[TemplateWipAccedentallyCreatedTemplate]] to [[Template:Wip]]: history merge renaming a page is not a sensible way to request deletion, because then there are two incorrect pages rather than one, so I am merging this back to the original title
23:46:51 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ais523 * moved [[Talk:TemplateWipAccedentallyCreatedTemplate]] to [[Template talk:Wip]]: history merge renaming a page is not a sensible way to request deletion, because then there are two incorrect pages rather than one, so I am merging this back to the original title
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23:47:44 <esolangs> [[Template:Wip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180111&oldid=180109 * Ais523 * (-55) set top revision after history merge
23:49:30 <esolangs> [[Template talk:Wip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180112&oldid=180110 * Ais523 * (+614) what happened
23:50:51 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[13ial]]": old name for [[8ial]], all information that was previously on this page is now on that page
23:55:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:Miui]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180113 * Ais523 * (+875) welcome, and advice on how to preview a page
23:59:01 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Category:Graph-rewriting paradigm]]": please see the discussion on [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] although a category like this might well be approved, it was already created once as [[:Category:Graph-based]], and we need to figure out what the name should be before it becomes an "official" category
23:59:49 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180114&oldid=179555 * Ais523 * (+431) /* Category:Graph-based? */ was created a second time, somehow
00:00:47 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180115&oldid=180114 * Ais523 * (+325) /* Category:Transfinite */ "special enough" is a bad reason to make a category
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02:23:15 <zzo38> Does any roguelike game have commands for shoves, slams, grapples, etc?
02:59:34 <zzo38> If I want to save the memory (including the stack and the full state of memory allocation) and CPU registers of a running program so that it can later be restored, can this be done, if this is known before the program is compiled? I specifically do not want to save or restore any threads, file descriptors, etc (anything that needs to be handled like that will be in a sepsrate process that doesn't need saved/restored).
03:13:45 <zzo38> Can this be done somehow using ptrace?
03:16:18 <zzo38> (and/or by using the /proc file system?)
03:28:47 <b_jonas> zzo38: yes, it can be done, if you're actually allowed to attach ptrace to the process, eg. it's not a setid program and ptrace isn't disabled globally. you do need the /proc file system to discover the mappings, so you know which areas in the process's virtual memory space to save.
03:30:47 <b_jonas> I think usually the easiest way to do this is to let the kernel do it by making the process dump core with a signal. Raise the core dump size limit first using setrlimit. You'll have to make sure that the core dump file can actually be written so you have permission to the directory where it would be written, that directory is either the process's wd or some fixed directory configured at system level
03:33:10 <zzo38> I think there would be no need to save the contents of mapped read-only files (or of any parts of the executable file itself which are read-only), although it is necessary to know that they are mapped.
03:35:12 <zzo38> As I had mentioned above, the program to be saved and restored expects to be saved and restored, so I would expect that it would have permissions because it would be set up to do this
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03:40:38 <b_jonas> zzo38: yeah, but if the location depends on the working directory then the program would have to be careful in how it chdirs
03:41:24 <zzo38> What other considerations are necessary? And, if you do it that way, how can it be restored?
03:43:43 <zzo38> (The program to be saved will need to tell the other process to save it, and will also need to have a way to indicate that it has just been restored, since it might e.g. redraw the screen)
03:52:10 <b_jonas> zzo38: do you want to be able to preempt the process at any point to freeze it, or will the process call a specific function when it wants to be freezed?
03:52:32 <b_jonas> restoring is probably the harder part than saving
03:54:45 <zzo38> The process will call a specific function when it wants to be freezed.
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04:16:02 <b_jonas> that makes this somewhat easier, because then you can skip restoring most of the registers. you don't have to save any registers that normal function calls can overwrite, and the function can save and restore most other registers itself.
04:17:04 <zzo38> The stack would still need to be saved, and some registers also might need to be saved but I think which ones they are might depend on the computer?
04:24:26 <b_jonas> you need to save registers that normally almost never change, like the per-thread variables pointer, and you may have to save some registers needed to bootstrap the function to a state where it can restore the rest of the registers from memory
04:25:22 <b_jonas> the stack can be saved basically the same way as other mapped memory segments, except there may be a special mmap option that you have to save together with all the other mmap and mprotect and similar settings
04:59:43 <esolangs> [[Quantum Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180120&oldid=180014 * Miui * (+499)
05:09:01 <esolangs> [[Quantum Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180121&oldid=180120 * Miui * (+18) /* Halting */
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08:37:05 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180123&oldid=179874 * Asahi Inoue * (+22)
08:39:19 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180124&oldid=180026 * Asahi Inoue * (+1818) Removed redirect to [[Katakamuna Lang]]
09:05:57 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180125&oldid=180123 * PlaceReporter99 * (+27) Add my language
09:11:39 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180126&oldid=180051 * Initys * (+0) /* Remembered number (secondary register) */
09:14:15 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180127&oldid=180126 * Initys * (-6) /* Remembered number (secondary register) */
09:26:01 <esolangs> [[Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180128&oldid=177175 * Blashyrkh * (+4137) Formalize my own IJ-specific abstraction elimination algorithm, reorganize the doc a little bit
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09:35:29 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180129&oldid=180127 * Initys * (+369) /* Remembered number (secondary register) */
09:39:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180130&oldid=180035 * Initys * (+36)
09:48:27 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180131&oldid=180129 * Initys * (+1213) /* 99 Coins */
09:49:00 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180132&oldid=180131 * Initys * (+7)
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10:53:08 <esolangs> [[Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180133&oldid=180128 * Blashyrkh * (+215) /* Abstraction elimination rules */ Eta reduction rule is common for all approaches
11:03:19 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180134&oldid=180132 * Initys * (+161) /* Conditionals */
11:09:12 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180135&oldid=180134 * Initys * (+105) /* Inspired by */
11:11:41 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180136&oldid=179801 * Menguinponky * (+10) /* Syntax */
11:13:59 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180137&oldid=180136 * Menguinponky * (+0) /* Syntax */
11:23:07 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180138&oldid=180115 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+219) /* Category:Graph-based? */
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12:14:39 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180139&oldid=180137 * Menguinponky * (-2) /* Cat program */
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12:28:33 <esolangs> [[T F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180140&oldid=179973 * Esolang lover123 * (+12) /* Programs */
12:41:29 <esolangs> [[Calculus Constructio]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180141&oldid=180041 * PlaceReporter99 * (+1225)
13:04:22 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180142&oldid=180135 * Initys * (+1052) /* Examples */
13:06:55 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180143&oldid=180142 * Initys * (+5) /* Examples */
13:08:32 <esolangs> [[Playerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180144&oldid=180143 * Initys * (-9) /* Game */
13:14:51 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox/Comments]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180145&oldid=179816 * PrySigneToFry * (+378)
13:21:14 <esolangs> [[The Second Coming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180146&oldid=179525 * PrySigneToFry * (+163)
13:28:21 <esolangs> [[Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180147&oldid=180133 * Blashyrkh * (+2909) Separate subsection for numeric constants and Church arithmetics
13:29:18 <esolangs> [[Crazy J]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180148&oldid=180147 * Blashyrkh * (-1) /* Church numerals */ Formatting typo
13:42:29 <esolangs> [[Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180149&oldid=180148 * Blashyrkh * (+5) /* Church numerals */ More precise definition of inlined addition operator
13:59:36 <esolangs> [[Codesh ()]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180150&oldid=179042 * StavWasPlayZ * (-2)
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14:34:39 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180151&oldid=180138 * Corbin * (+139) /* Category:Graph-based? */
14:38:12 <esolangs> [[Crazy J/Empty output]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180152&oldid=175323 * Blashyrkh * (-139) Shorter program (use heavily-optimized IJ expression for EOF)
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17:11:18 <aadenboy> probably won't work on it now but I think BCT could be implementable in Mhm!
17:12:08 <aadenboy> I'm already able to copy data across cells as seen in the division operation and can bitflip as seen in the UBFIM translation
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17:34:03 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox/Comments]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180154&oldid=180145 * Ractangle * (-104) /* Alternative universe languages */ gaia programming languages change
17:41:11 <esolangs> [[MarkupL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180155&oldid=177226 * Ractangle * (-73)
17:42:48 <esolangs> [[ITECAAPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180156&oldid=149589 * Ractangle * (+8) Removed redirect to [[Marb]]
17:43:05 <esolangs> [[JAGL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180157&oldid=149992 * Ractangle * (+8) Removed redirect to [[Just]]
17:43:15 <esolangs> [[Just]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180158&oldid=150181 * Ractangle * (-692) Replaced content with "{{Delete|unnesesary page}}"
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17:45:48 <esolangs> [[THE RUSSIAN CHAOS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180163&oldid=128549 * Ractangle * (+7) Removed redirect to [[Shell]]
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17:48:41 <esolangs> [[Potato Pancake]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180167&oldid=128762 * Ractangle * (+5) Removed redirect to [[*&]]
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17:49:04 <esolangs> [[*&]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180169&oldid=128769 * Ractangle * (+3) Removed redirect to [[*&&^]]
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17:51:11 <esolangs> [[Uyjhmn--]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180175&oldid=137723 * Ractangle * (-9) Removed redirect to [[I love circuit boards]]
17:51:23 <esolangs> [[I love circuit boards]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180176&oldid=137771 * Ractangle * (-15) Removed redirect to [[How dare you fuck the brain]]
17:51:58 <esolangs> [['basic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180177&oldid=129279 * Ractangle * (+1) Removed redirect to [['interbasic]]
17:52:14 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180178&oldid=129693 * Ractangle * (-4) Removed redirect to [[Bat unresponsive]]
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17:55:41 <esolangs> [[User:Linxium]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180187&oldid=137619 * Ractangle * (+5) fuck
17:55:52 <esolangs> [[Linxium]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180188&oldid=137621 * Ractangle * (+10) Removed redirect to [[LX]]
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17:58:05 <esolangs> [[User:BASE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180194&oldid=130943 * Ractangle * (+3) Removed redirect to [[Talk:BASE]]
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18:01:41 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180203&oldid=135619 * Ractangle * (+0) Removed redirect to [[Old Branjunk]]
18:02:38 <esolangs> [[I have no absolute idea what do i name this esolang so uhhhh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180204&oldid=136241 * Ractangle * (+8) Removed redirect to [[Kava]]
18:03:32 <esolangs> [[Waretel BASIC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180205&oldid=161755 * Ractangle * (-10) Removed redirect to [[Yayimhere-like esolang]]
18:04:14 <esolangs> [[JS-CODE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180206&oldid=145613 * Ractangle * (+6) Removed redirect to [[2.210*]]
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18:09:05 <esolangs> [[An esolang inspired by a mobile game engine by the name of Castle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180218&oldid=139657 * Ractangle * (+8) Removed redirect to [[Dish]]
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18:10:23 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180220&oldid=140758 * Ractangle * (+8) Removed redirect to [[Bake]]
18:11:58 <esolangs> [[Literally just a turing machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180221&oldid=141697 * Ractangle * (+10) Removed redirect to [[]]
18:13:24 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180222&oldid=141749 * Ractangle * (-3) Removed redirect to [[C-like language]]
18:13:48 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180223&oldid=148307 * Ractangle * (+972) Removed redirect to [[Hashmark]]
18:14:06 <esolangs> [[!HOR]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180224&oldid=141879 * Ractangle * (+7) Removed redirect to [[IRLGL]]
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18:14:45 <esolangs> [[()(]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180227&oldid=141897 * Ractangle * (+2) Removed redirect to [[Curly Fish]]
18:15:07 <esolangs> [[Curly Fish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180228&oldid=146688 * Ractangle * (+4) Removed redirect to [[Pascgolf]]
18:28:24 <esolangs> [[Pascgolf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180229&oldid=151728 * Ractangle * (+5) Removed redirect to [[Compass]]
18:28:37 <esolangs> [["Template:Wayback"]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180230&oldid=142028 * Ractangle * (+8) Removed redirect to [[Xuki]]
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18:29:19 <esolangs> [[Minsky machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180232&oldid=142239 * Ractangle * (-35)
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18:31:01 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Quark Heinz * New user account
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18:33:31 <esolangs> [[Debug]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180240&oldid=144378 * Ractangle * (+8) Removed redirect to [[Dial]]
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19:37:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:Calculus Constructio]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180273&oldid=180055 * PlaceReporter99 * (+216)
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19:54:25 <esolangs> [[Caca]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180275&oldid=158174 * Mari * (+444) add updates such as nourmaelscript and python interpereter
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20:13:10 <esolangs> [[Guh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180276&oldid=169375 * Ractangle * (-9) /* tab */
20:19:03 <esolangs> [[Caca]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180277&oldid=180275 * Ractangle * (-21) a bit of things
20:21:10 <esolangs> [[Guh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180278&oldid=180276 * Ractangle * (-16) /* Commands */
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21:54:56 <esolangs> [[Orange Category:Output only]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180281 * Miui * (+766) Created page with "<span style="color:orange">'''Orange</span> Category:Output-only''':<br> A programming language is <span style="color:orange">orange</span> when it outputs <span style="color:orange">orangely</span>.<br><br> Formally, these languages have many nice prope
21:57:23 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180282&oldid=180106 * Miui * (+32) /* Colors */
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22:19:57 <esolangs> [[Orange Category:Output only]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180284&oldid=180281 * Miui * (+1) /* *example */
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22:51:58 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180290&oldid=180289 * Miui * (+1) Ty
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04:32:18 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180294&oldid=180282 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-1140) /* Computational Class */ AI comments on computational class, aren't very useful and propably. inaccurate. And I rewrote the section a little more.
04:54:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180295&oldid=180119 * Aadenboy * (+432) copying from irc message
04:58:12 <esolangs> [[Kiosk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180296&oldid=179649 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+4) /* Commands */
05:14:25 <esolangs> [[Talk:NANDNZ]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180297 * Xyzzy * (+247) Created page with "Because NAND is the only op here, bits will not be able to interact which each other. Though you could use the zero-test and some clever bitwise tricks to isolate bits... --~~~~"
05:29:08 <esolangs> [[SICO]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180298&oldid=156699 * Xyzzy * (+37)
06:11:07 <esolangs> [[Kiosk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180299&oldid=180296 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+98) /* Commands */
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07:17:08 <esolangs> [[Reverse Arbitrary Binary Rewriting]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180301 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+807) Created page with "'''Reverse Arbitrary Binary Rewriting''', or '''RABR''' for short, is an esolang, originally created as a "reverse" of [[Binary combinator logic]], however it "frees" itself from syntax, and any binary string can be interpreted, maki
07:46:16 <esolangs> [[Reverse Arbitrary Binary Rewriting]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180302&oldid=180301 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1)
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11:39:40 <esolangs> [[Incident]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180310&oldid=168145 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+14) /* See also */
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13:31:27 <esolangs> [[Parentheses]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180311 * Esolang lover123 * (+647) easy
13:34:14 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180312&oldid=180283 * Esolang lover123 * (+18)
13:50:33 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180313&oldid=179473 * LynChern * (-11469) Blanked the page
14:17:46 <esolangs> [[Iyingsihoktsiungtsk]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180314 * PrySigneToFry * (+2715) Created page with "Iyingsihoktsiungtsk is a programming language designed by PSTF. The name was directly writing <span style='font-family:XEGOEALL;'>yy8xhokDi3H</span>(literally firefly) in "Latin" form. = Semantics = We use the 26 standard Latin letters and apostrophe
14:18:31 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180315&oldid=180312 * PrySigneToFry * (+26)
14:24:42 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180316&oldid=180020 * PrySigneToFry * (+18)
14:31:09 <esolangs> [[Fun Video Game]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180317&oldid=175048 * PrySigneToFry * (+346)
14:41:34 <esolangs> [[Lorem Ipsum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180318&oldid=178948 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-1) /* Commands */
15:35:12 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180319&oldid=180313 * LynChern * (+767)
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17:54:36 <esolangs> [[Calculus Constructio]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180323&oldid=180274 * PlaceReporter99 * (+1565) /* Proof of Turing Completeness */
18:05:39 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180324&oldid=180322 * LynChern * (+0) /* */
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18:15:59 <esolangs> [[User:A()/A()'s Square Prime conjecture]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180325 * A() * (+788) Created page with "[[User:A()]]s Square Prime conjecture states that the following is true: # There are infinite square numbers # There are infinite prime numbers # For any square number n where n > 4, there must at least one set of primes that when summed toget
18:22:29 <esolangs> [[User:A()/A()'s Square Prime conjecture]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180326&oldid=180325 * Aadenboy * (-7) reword
18:25:00 <esolangs> [[User:A()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180327&oldid=174770 * A() * (+45) /* Non-esolang pages */
18:47:14 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180328&oldid=180324 * LynChern * (+428)
18:47:53 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180329&oldid=180328 * LynChern * (+4) /* The name of this language */
18:49:25 <esolangs> [[8ial]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180330&oldid=173774 * Ractangle * (-33) /* Syntax */
18:55:18 <esolangs> [[8ial]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180331&oldid=180330 * Ractangle * (+7)
18:57:43 <esolangs> [[Kool+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180332 * A() * (+462) Created page with "{{WIP}} [[Kool+]] is an extension made by [[User:A()]] for [[Kool]]. == Syntax == {| class="wikitable" |+ Syntax |- ! Command !! Effect |- | K || Nand |- | o || False |- | L || True |- | %a || Input |- | N: || Function |} ''[arg1]func[arg2]'' == Programs == === Not Gate
18:59:33 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180333&oldid=180329 * LynChern * (+32) /* xxx */
19:00:11 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180334&oldid=180333 * LynChern * (-1) /* */
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19:30:12 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Gwepz * New user account
19:31:21 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180336&oldid=179993 * Gwepz * (+74)
19:32:08 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180337&oldid=180336 * Gwepz * (+75)
19:32:21 <esolangs> [[User:Gwepz]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180338 * Gwepz * (+65) Created page with "hello this is my user page i created the language 'lesbianburger'"
19:44:28 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180339&oldid=180335 * LynChern * (+563)
19:47:19 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180340&oldid=180339 * LynChern * (-1)
19:55:41 <esolangs> [[Lesbianburger]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180341 * Gwepz * (+1319) Created page with "Lesbian burger is a self-modifying language written by [[User:Gwepz]]. the valid commands are: 'a', which adds 1 to the program 'acc', which is one of the two integers the language has. it stands for 'accumulator' 'b', which adds 1 to the program 'pos' mod the prog
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20:14:06 <esolangs> [[Lesbianburger]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180342&oldid=180341 * Gwepz * (+1230)
20:16:08 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180343&oldid=180315 * Gwepz * (+20) /* L */
20:16:42 <esolangs> [[Lesbianburger]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180344&oldid=180342 * Gwepz * (+53)
20:16:55 <esolangs> [[Lesbianburger]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180345&oldid=180344 * Gwepz * (-1)
20:35:35 <esolangs> [[Lesbiansandwhich]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180346 * Gwepz * (+642) Created page with "[[Category:Self-modifying]] Lesbiansandwhich is a self-modifying language created by [[User:Gwepz]]. Commands are numbers reffering to python code in the list: "pt += 1", "pt -= 1", "print(letters[code[pt]])", "code[pt] += 1", "code[pt] -= 1", "if code[pt] == 0:
20:36:24 <esolangs> [[User:Gwepz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180347&oldid=180338 * Gwepz * (+57)
20:41:49 <esolangs> [[User:Gwepz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180348&oldid=180347 * Gwepz * (+5)
20:58:40 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180349&oldid=143294 * Ractangle * (+11)
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22:13:40 <esolangs> [[User:A()/A()'s Square Prime conjecture]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180351&oldid=180326 * A() * (-17)
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23:15:50 <esolangs> [[ReversibleFerrariMSB]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180352 * Miui * (+1377) Created page with "'''ReversibleFerrariMSB'''(Most Significant Bit) is a simple proof language for constructing Ferraris. ==== commands ==== tip - times instruction pointer sue # single use expression. Aims the halting zone. unrerverses everything, constructs proof of Ferrari
23:21:20 <esolangs> [[ReversibleFerrariMSB]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180353&oldid=180352 * Miui * (-30)
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01:31:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180355&oldid=179563 * Tommyaweosme * (+170) /* The proof is invalid */
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03:24:16 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180359&oldid=180358 * LynChern * (+127) /* Authorization */
03:24:59 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180360&oldid=180359 * LynChern * (+1) /* The name of this language */
03:33:41 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180361&oldid=180360 * LynChern * (+106) /* xxx */
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03:44:59 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180364&oldid=180363 * LynChern * (+16) /* xxx */
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12:36:17 <esolangs> [[TapeBased-FUCK!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180385&oldid=180384 * Lim Soon Yi 3k * (+19)
12:39:27 <esolangs> [[TapeBased-FUCK!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180386&oldid=180385 * Lim Soon Yi 3k * (+1) /* Hello World! */
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13:40:45 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[SchrderBernstein theorem]]": redirect left over after the page was moved to userspace
13:40:45 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Talk:SchrderBernstein theorem]]": Deleted together with the associated page with reason: redirect left over after the page was moved to userspace
13:42:32 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Orange Category:Output only]]": just a copy of the page [[Category:Output only]] with some words changed to "orange" and some copies of "orange" added: this is therefore not an esolang and is not a useful article about a concept either
13:43:47 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180389&oldid=180343 * Ais523 * (-34) /* O */ remove Orange Category: Output Only because it is not and was never an esolang (copying a category page and changing a few of the words does not usually produce an esolang, and didn't in this case)
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16:39:17 <esolangs> [[ReversibleFerrariMSB]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180391&oldid=180390 * Miui * (+10) /* See also */
16:47:53 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180392&oldid=180290 * Miui * (+252)
17:03:28 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180393&oldid=180392 * Miui * (+4) /* current scope */
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23:00:53 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180399&oldid=180337 * Entity-37 * (+256)
23:02:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:Entity-37]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180400 * Entity-37 * (+167) Created page with "Yo everybodyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Entity -37 IN DA HOUSEEEEEEEEE! If anyone wants to argue with me, do it here, yo! This is da ohio page! I have an opener post below."
23:03:10 <esolangs> [[User talk:Entity-37]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180401&oldid=180400 * Entity-37 * (+12)
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01:16:24 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180406&oldid=180399 * Ztal * (+42) /* Introductions */
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04:18:24 <esolangs> [[Anti-Machine language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180411&oldid=163996 * Mari * (+695) /* Implementations (?) */ add caca
04:18:44 <esolangs> [[Anti-Machine language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180412&oldid=180411 * Mari * (-1) /* Caca= */ fix name
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05:25:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:Conglument]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180417 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+187) Created page with "How can concatenation be not commutative? it would be by definition no? --~~~~"
05:29:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Conglument]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180418&oldid=180417 * Corbin * (+164)
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05:43:40 <Sgeo> Someone should invent a scripting language where uninitialized variables contain their own name, upper-cased.
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07:37:05 <esolangs> [[CLC-INTERCAL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180421&oldid=171113 * Tpaefawzen * (+17) /* External resources */
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11:13:18 <ais523> Sgeo: not sure why you want the uppercasing, without it that would be an interesting way to implement the equivalent of barewords in Perl (for making it easier to write poetry)
11:17:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:Python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180423&oldid=142775 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+132) /* Monty Pythons Flying Circus */ new section
11:17:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:Python]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180424&oldid=180423 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+274)
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14:21:07 <int-e> fungot: complete the sequence: 1
14:21:07 <fungot> int-e: with " nine prince in amber". there we go. " enough is enough.
14:25:33 <b_jonas> do you suppose we could use today's https://xkcd.com/3235/ as a way to classify esoteric languages rather than board games?
14:29:55 <b_jonas> I find the "Candles of Vienna" part quite funny
14:33:30 <int-e> Meanwhile I had to check that Candles of Vienna is not a real game (yet).
14:34:12 <b_jonas> I also checked that. It's not. But Cones of Dunshire is a real game.
14:34:42 <b_jonas> I mean Candles of Vienna isn't a real board game *yet*. After this strip someone might make it real. Or maybe someone will make an esoteric language with that name.
14:34:53 <int-e> Oh I just kind of assumed that those two were real.
14:38:32 <int-e> Two more days until shapez 2 1.0 releases (and breaks my MAM because they changed color mixing)
14:39:31 <int-e> (No big deal, but it will be different. They also add black, and a way to mix "uncolored" (grey) paint.)
14:40:06 <b_jonas> int-e: yeah. it's not surprising that it breaks some things in your factory, and it's probably best to use the occasion to start a new one
14:40:41 <int-e> The saves don't carry over anyway.
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14:41:54 <int-e> But I've made some blueprints that will be mostly useless now :P
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18:45:00 <esolangs> [[Harmonii]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180430&oldid=135047 * BoundedBeans * (+0) Fixed comments in example to use the correct discard command
18:45:29 <esolangs> [[Harmonii]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180431&oldid=180430 * BoundedBeans * (+0) I missed a comment, fixed that one
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22:21:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:Deadfish Joust]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180432&oldid=174696 * Treeplate * (+426) add comment in "strategy" section
22:22:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:Deadfish Joust]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180433&oldid=180432 * Treeplate * (+29) forgot ~~~~~~~
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22:28:38 <Sgeo> ais523: I was making a joke/comment about REXX. I think the capitalization is because all non-string-literals get converted to capitals
22:52:47 <Sgeo> https://tio.run/##K0qtqPj/vzixUiEjNScnX6EkI7UolQtMKtgqKCVmFpsaGStxoSn4/x8A
22:53:55 <int-e> `tio https://tio.run/##K0qtqPj/vzixUiEjNScnX6EkI7UolQtMKtgqKCVmFpsaGStxoSn4/x8A
22:53:58 <HackEso> say hello there \ there = "ais523" \ say hello there
22:59:44 <HackEso> cat: tio: No such file or directory
22:59:51 <Sgeo> `cat `which tio`
22:59:53 <HackEso> cat: '`which tio`': No such file or directory
23:00:20 <HackEso> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch [<output-file>] <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $HACKENV are persistent, and $HACKENV/bin is in $PATH. $HACKENV is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert, https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/ to browse. $PWD ($HACKENV/tmp) is persistent but unversioned, /tmp is ephemeral.
23:01:54 <HackEso> #!/bin/bash \ cmd="${@-quote}" \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$cmd" | rnooodl
23:02:02 <int-e> `` cat $(type -P tio)
23:02:04 <HackEso> <<<"$@" sed 's=.*##==' | tr @- ++ | base64 -d 2>/dev/null | cat <(printf "\x1f\x8b\x08\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00") - | gzip -dq 2>/dev/null | LC_CTYPE=C sed -zE 's=.*\xFF\xFF(.*)\xFF\xFF.*=\1='
00:39:30 <fizzie> That made me go all "huhwhat" for a second there.
00:39:52 <Sgeo> https://tio.run/##K0qtqPj/vzixUsFAQU1NwfD/fwA
00:41:48 <fizzie> I guess an advanced version of `tio could even decode the language part and execute it, but I don't think we have Rexx available.
00:42:27 <int-e> the language is the initial .* that's being cut off; the last part is usually empty but I believe can contain flags for some languages
00:43:02 <fizzie> Yeah, I did check that example starts with "rexx\xFF\xFF".
00:43:30 <int-e> `culprits ../bin/tio
00:43:43 <int-e> (is why I'm commenting on this)
00:44:58 <fizzie> Your nickname gets a well-placed ¨ by the anti-highlight mechanism.
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00:46:21 <fizzie> Hmm, it renders differently in this terminal than in the browser.
00:47:58 <Sgeo> Can we in fact install stuff into HackEso like Regina Rexx or BRexx? (Tio uses Regina Rexx, I don't know how they made that choice)
00:48:24 <Sgeo> A variant of BRexx is used by hobbyist mainframers who can't legally get a copy of IBM Rexx
00:57:39 <fizzie> Things that are available as packages in Debian stable I can just install into the host system.
00:58:01 <fizzie> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rexx&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all suggests there's a `regina-rexx` package.
00:58:50 <fizzie> (Though not at this exact moment since I'm about to go to bed.)
01:04:32 <fizzie> And of course you can smuggle in arbitrary binaries into /hackenv/bin/ but it can be annoying to accomplish and the Mercurial repository isn't the best place for large files.
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04:53:51 <esolangs> [[Monky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180436&oldid=180435 * Menguinponky * (-8) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/180435|180435]] by [[Special:Contributions/Menguinponky|Menguinponky]] ([[User talk:Menguinponky|talk]])
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05:45:54 <esolangs> [[Blockfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180439 * Maemoon * (+256) Created page with "'''Blockfuck''' is a block-based programming language based on [[Brainfuck]]. Programs use the same commands as Brainfuck but uses blocks, similar to [[Scratch]]. == External Resources == [https://cute-catgirl.github.io/blockfuck/ Official Implementation]"
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18:31:06 <esolangs> [[Meta Cat Program]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180455 * 5anz * (+1398) Created page with "This is my SECOND programming problem I've written. yay. I guess. ~~~ Given an input, a Meta Cat Program outputs a program that outputs the original input. Both programs (The Meta Cat Program and the output of it) must be in the same language. For example, Python
18:40:56 <esolangs> [[User:5anz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180456&oldid=180040 * 5anz * (+120) /* Esolangs I made */
18:41:17 <esolangs> [[User:5anz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180457&oldid=180456 * 5anz * (+30) /* print("Hello, World!") */
18:42:04 <esolangs> [[User:5anz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180458&oldid=180457 * 5anz * (+48) /* Meta Cat Program */
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07:22:55 <esolangs> [[Meta Cat Program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180474&oldid=180460 * 5anz * (+72) /* Implementaions */
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09:24:46 <esolangs> [[TapeBased-FUCK!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180478&oldid=180472 * Lim Soon Yi 3k * (+1) /* Examples */
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11:38:50 <esolangs> [[Parentheses]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180479&oldid=180311 * Esolang lover123 * (+68) This is a major edit
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13:20:30 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180481&oldid=180469 * Jan2684 * (+391) Introduction in Aheui.
14:43:32 <int-e> b_jonas: so this is the new color mixing table: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-mixing-new.jpg
14:45:03 <int-e> (using cheats/sandbox mode)
14:47:47 <b_jonas> int-e: can you make an arbitrarily large amount of white pigment output from a limited amount of blue and unlimited amount of red and green?
14:48:14 <b_jonas> because I think that's one of the practical consequences of the color mixing table that matters
14:51:28 <int-e> b_jonas: In theory, yes; in practice I'm not sure how good the accounting for fluids is. This was already the case in the early access version; that one mixed cyan + magenta to blue (majority color) and white + white to white. It didn't have black, and no way to mix uncolored, nor to mine it. So it was sandbox only.
14:54:16 <int-e> Anyway. I think this will make mixing all colors from an even mix of primary colors unattractive.
14:58:51 <int-e> Anyway. They also broke all complex logic blueprints because they changed the pin locations of some virtual production buildings (like unstackers and stackers)
14:59:57 <int-e> (Which is okay; it's only for MAM and enough of the logic will change that it's easier to start from scratch anyway.)K a lot of the logic will have to change anyway.
15:00:14 <int-e> lol, ignore everything after the "K"
15:02:58 <b_jonas> int-e: right, but now after the rules change you can get uncolored pigment from mixing without sandbox
15:04:03 <int-e> yeah I think they wanted two things. 1) three different "tertiary" colors, and 2) no "regression" to lower level colors when mixing higher level colors
15:04:40 <int-e> And ywah, maybe 1) was inspired by wanting to mix uncolored.
15:04:42 <b_jonas> int-e: yeah, but it looks like they have one or two more colors exclusive to manufacturing mode or something
15:05:06 <b_jonas> (probably just colors, not pigments)
15:06:32 <esolangs> [[TapeBased-FUCK!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180482&oldid=180478 * Aadenboy * (-23)
15:06:49 <esolangs> [[TapeBased-FUCK!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180483&oldid=180482 * Aadenboy * (-16) /* See also */
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15:42:21 <int-e> b_jonas: Oh actually it shouldn't matter how good the accounting is; you can mix red with blue, then purple with red to get more red back than you put in. But also... this shouldn't come up; if you've managed to bring color to some place once you can also have an endless supply there.
15:42:43 <int-e> (paint isn't exactly scarce and resource patches don't run out)
15:43:24 <int-e> b_jonas: But this strengthens what you said... you only need one primary color in unlimited supply.
16:19:59 <esolangs> [[ReversibleFerrariMSB]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180484&oldid=180464 * Miui * (+1800) /* note about race circuits */
16:20:31 <esolangs> [[ReversibleFerrariMSB]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180485&oldid=180484 * Miui * (-270) /* example */
16:22:03 <esolangs> [[ReversibleFerrariMSB]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180486&oldid=180485 * Miui * (-1) /* = pit -b and pit -i */
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16:24:53 <esolangs> [[ReversibleFerrariMSB]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180487&oldid=180486 * Miui * (+16) /* -extension flags */
16:25:58 <esolangs> [[ReversibleFerrariMSB]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180488&oldid=180487 * Miui * (+38) /* ReversibleFerrariMSB(Prototype) */
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16:49:13 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180489&oldid=180476 * LynChern * (+404) /* */
17:05:25 <fizzie> It may be a naïve question, but why does mixing white with white produce black?
17:30:12 <b_jonas> int-e: IIUC, the important change is not black, but that magenta mixed with cyan now results in white rather than blue. but in the end, you can still turn any color of pigment into any desired color in almost the same amount minus O(1) waste, using O(1) catalysts. you have to redesign your blueprints and they may be bigger now of course.
17:35:00 <b_jonas> fizzie: pick your poison. (a) it's an abstract puzzle game, not all rules make sense. (2) there's a chemical reaction going on, the bond structure changes and that can change the color almost arbitrarily. most of the paint is just some solvent that doesn't influence the color, and the small amount of actual pigments in it can behave in an odd way.
17:36:21 <b_jonas> the question is more how you can multiply blue paint, because that's harder in practice than black or white.
17:44:25 <esolangs> [[Writer]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180490 * Esolang lover123 * (+1120) text
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18:31:03 <esolangs> [[Writer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180493&oldid=180491 * Esolang lover123 * (+50) |||
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19:33:19 <b_jonas> int-e: do you know how Shapez 2 chooses its random goal shapes? Are the shapes symmetric and restricted in color like in Shapez 1? How many possible goal shapes are? I think Shapez 1 has about 2**31 possible goal shapes, though very much not uniformly distributed.
19:33:52 <b_jonas> no, make that 2**33 possible goal shapes
19:51:24 <esolangs> [[Toffee]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180495 * SakuraMatsumoto * (+17303) Created page with "[[Category:Languages]] [[Category:Object-oriented paradigm]] [[Category:Class-based paradigm]][[Category:2026]] [[Category:Usable]] [[Category:AI]] {{infobox proglang |year=2026 |author=Sakura Matsumoto |class=Turing-complete |files= .toffee |majorimpl=Toffee v
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20:38:25 <int-e> b_jonas: They are hardly ever symmetric. They try to actually exercise various features though... like, with the crystal MAM, they make sure you get full slices of crystals fairly often. (They are a bit differently from slices with occupied quarters)
20:38:41 <int-e> Anyway, no, I do not know how those shapes are generated.
20:41:38 <int-e> The 1.0 release probably changed some of that too.
20:42:41 <int-e> (since they have new colors (that I fully expect to feature in a MAM) and new shape types (I'm less certain about MAM using those))
20:42:51 <int-e> Anyway. I want to do a proper playthrough and that will take a while.
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05:03:30 <zzo38> I think someone on here (ais523) had done some NetHack variant; I wrote my ideas of a roguelike game as well and maybe you would be able to review http://pb1n.de/?616d27
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06:54:51 <b_jonas> zzo38: in your list of five magic disciplines, are the colors supposed to correspond to M:tG colors or Final Fantasy roles or something else?
06:58:31 <esolangs> [[Mental Shakespeare]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180503 * Miui * (+1015) Created page with "Mental Shakespeare is a language inspired by [[Shakespeare]] which describes conditions for playing ANY mental game (and attending any mental playhouse.) = games/mental plays = As a games-system solver Mental Shakespeare is an esoteric programming language whi
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11:34:51 <esolangs> [[Four (programming language)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180514&oldid=180513 * Salsa1234 * (+33) /* Example */
11:36:25 <esolangs> [[Four (programming language)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180515&oldid=180514 * Salsa1234 * (+14) /* Example */
11:37:44 <esolangs> [[Four (programming language)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180516&oldid=180515 * Salsa1234 * (+0) /* Literals */
11:42:55 <esolangs> [[Four (programming language)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180517&oldid=180516 * Salsa1234 * (+30) /* Implementation */
11:44:24 <esolangs> [[Circuit]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180518 * Esolang lover123 * (+1376) Created page with "Circuit is a 2d esolang based on circuits. a basic circuit looks like this >----: the arrow(>) produces "electricity" and flows through the wires(-) and reaches the colon(:) ending the flow of "electricity". ==Characters== {|class=wikitable ! symbol !! functio
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11:57:10 <esolangs> [[Four (programming language)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180520&oldid=180517 * Salsa1234 * (+20) /* Four */
11:58:35 <esolangs> [[Four (programming language)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180521&oldid=180520 * Salsa1234 * (-20) /* Four */
11:59:55 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Salsa1234 * moved [[Four (programming language)]] to [[Esolang:Fourlang]]
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12:20:02 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/QLTYLang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180525 * PrySigneToFry * (+916) Created page with " ''''PSTF LynChernxxx = = ''''QLTYLangLynChernxxx[[The Second Coming]][[]] == == === ===..."
12:21:53 <esolangs> [[Four (programming language)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180526&oldid=180523 * Salsa1234 * (+3364) Removed redirect to [[Esolang:Fourlang]]
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12:41:56 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180528&oldid=180374 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-183)
12:45:12 <esolangs> [[4s]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180529 * Salsa1234 * (+3393) Created page with "= 4s = 4s (4 Stacks) is an esoteric stack-based programming language featuring four distinct stacks used for data manipulation, temporary storage, output buffering, and control flow. == Overview == 4s is designed to explore multi-stack computation. Programs consist of si
12:47:42 <esolangs> [[Four (programming language)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180530&oldid=180526 * Salsa1234 * (-3340) Replaced content with "This language has been renamed to [[4s (Four Stack)]]."
12:48:24 <esolangs> [[Four (programming language)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180531&oldid=180530 * Salsa1234 * (-13)
12:54:58 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Salsa1234 * moved [[4s]] to [[4s (Four Stacks)]]
12:55:30 <esolangs> [[4s (Four Stacks)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180534&oldid=180532 * Salsa1234 * (+3)
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13:07:00 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180537&oldid=180489 * LynChern * (+13)
13:07:25 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180538&oldid=180537 * LynChern * (+5) /* */
13:07:44 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180539&oldid=180519 * Salsa1234 * (+22)
13:08:22 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180540&oldid=180539 * Salsa1234 * (+1)
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13:35:12 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180546&oldid=180545 * LynChern * (+0) /* */
13:35:59 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180547&oldid=180546 * LynChern * (+3) /* */
13:37:34 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180548&oldid=180547 * LynChern * (-3) /* */
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16:59:05 <esolangs> [[Gd auto level]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180562&oldid=180550 * Ractangle * (-22) tom himself said that it's a thematic programming model
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17:53:49 <zzo38> b_jonas: They were intended to be like Magic: the Gathering (although the spells are not the same as Magic: the Gathering)
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18:07:18 <b_jonas> zzo38: hmm, I'm not sure those map reasonably to a roguelike.
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18:20:54 <zzo38> Maybe, although I could think of some kind of spells that they might be although not necessarily all of them; they do not have to (and probably don't) match Magic: the Gathering exactly
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18:53:35 <b_jonas> zzo38: ok, let me get this in detail. healing or cure spells are white. so are spells that give you temporary resistance to some element, or increase your defense, or reduce damage on you. most ordinary attack spells are red or blue depending on their element, though death or drain spells are black instead. a spell that temporarily buffs your defenses or combat abilities is green or red, though if it
18:53:41 <b_jonas> comes with a tradeoff like a Berserk spell then it could be red or black. a spell that cancels an opposing monster's spellcasting abilities is white. what color is a knock or locking spell that opens/closes locked doors or chests? what color is a spell that tries to tame an existing monster? one that creates a new monster? one that temporarily summons a friendly monster? one that identifies items? finds
18:53:47 <b_jonas> secret doors, traps, items, monsters on the level, or lights or darkens a room? gives information about yourself or a monster? one that repairs or enchants weapons or items? one that charges magic items? one that makes you faster, or more stealthy? one that tries to scare monsters away from you?
18:54:39 <b_jonas> a jumping or teleport spell that lets you move through a level better? a digging spell? a spell that creates food?
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18:55:07 <b_jonas> I guess an identify spell must be blue.
18:57:02 <b_jonas> Detect monsters or traps spells are probably also blue, like M:tG scry spells or Telepathy. A charm monster spell could be either red or blue.
18:57:43 <b_jonas> A silence spell is probably white, but an actual polymorph monster spell is probably blue. I've no idea about unlocking doors though.
18:58:57 <b_jonas> A repair item or remove curse spell is probably white, but I don't know about an enchant weapon/armor spell.
18:59:24 <b_jonas> Don't know about dig either.
19:03:32 <b_jonas> I guess some spells could be hybrid, accessible from multiple colors.
19:03:56 <zzo38> Yes, I did think of that idea
19:04:08 <b_jonas> Or gold, requiring you to pass checks in multiple colors
19:04:14 <zzo38> (as well as some of the other stuff that you mentioned)
19:06:59 <zzo38> (but not all of them, so is good you mentoin them)
19:07:39 <b_jonas> I was mostly looking at the list of Nethack spells for this; you should probably also look at other games that have spell lists
19:08:22 <b_jonas> And if you want magic skills to boost using other magic items, like staffs or scrolls, then also look at lists for those
19:09:09 <b_jonas> In fact, probably look at lists of magic items regardless, because some of them work better as spells in a roguelike, and some spells work better as items
19:24:07 <esolangs> [[Talk:Toffee]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180565 * SakuraMatsumoto * (+0) Created blank page
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22:26:44 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180568&oldid=180403 * Miui * (+409) /* favorite esoquotes */
22:28:43 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180569&oldid=180568 * Miui * (+69) /* "esolangs" */
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01:22:04 <Sgeo> Someone should make a character set with a defined sort order and a binary encoding that does not correspond to that order. Then, when making a new character set, the new one should go through great pains to have a binary encoding that does match the same sort order
01:22:24 <Sgeo> I... think IBM really likes sorting.
01:59:56 * ais523 ponders how INTERCAL uses '…' and "…" like other languages use (…), and Underload uses (…) like other languages use '…' and "…"
02:00:10 <ais523> (inspired by the word "esoquotes" seen in an edit summary)
02:09:44 <zzo38> PostScript also uses () for quoted strings (and also has <> for hex strings, and TER also has both of these things)
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03:28:46 <zzo38> There might be others as well that I don't know
04:30:17 <esolangs> [[Deadgirlfriend]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180570 * Mari * (+1875) i am totally sane and not insane i am totally sane and not insane i am totally sane and not insane
04:30:51 <esolangs> [[User:Mari]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180571&oldid=147993 * Mari * (+40) i made things
04:33:10 <esolangs> [[Deadgirlfriend]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180572&oldid=180570 * Mari * (+50)
04:35:51 <esolangs> [[Deadgirlfriend]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180573&oldid=180572 * Mari * (+68) snake
04:39:04 <esolangs> [[Anti-Machine language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180574&oldid=180413 * Mari * (+172) /* Implementations (?) */ add Deadgirlfriend because why not
05:57:27 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180575&oldid=180569 * Miui * (+25) /* "esolangs" */
06:09:51 <esolangs> [[A bliss-pit]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180576 * Miui * (+729) Created page with "[[A bliss-pit]] is an environment where a group of parks is reduced to the dimensions of all conductive Table-type objects during the process of sourcing a circular grill. The process leads to a large dug-out pit where all the gathered meet is thrown. The meat is eaten
06:12:23 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180577&oldid=180575 * Miui * (+1) /* "esolangs" */
06:12:56 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180578&oldid=180577 * Miui * (+1) /* "esolangs" */
06:13:05 <esolangs> [[Liquid DownRight]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180579 * Keymaker * (+6256) A somewhat silly but strangely effective variation.
06:13:11 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180580&oldid=180578 * Miui * (-1) /* "esolangs" */
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06:16:55 <esolangs> [[DownRight]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180582&oldid=164794 * Keymaker * (+108) Link LDR.
06:19:21 <esolangs> [[User:Keymaker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180583&oldid=174411 * Keymaker * (+73) Add LDR.
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06:46:07 <esolangs> [[User:LynChern/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180585&oldid=180561 * LynChern * (+284) /* */
06:51:21 <esolangs> [[Circuit]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180586&oldid=180527 * Esolang lover123 * (+53)
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06:53:17 <esolangs> [[Circuit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180589&oldid=180588 * Esolang lover123 * (+2) /* hello world */
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08:08:11 <esolangs> [[Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz+]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180592&oldid=180591 * Esolang lover123 * (+1)
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09:51:05 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180598&oldid=180056 * Hammy * (+105) /* Implementations */ added 2 implementations in [[Fish|><>]]
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11:10:08 <esolangs> [[Emanator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180600&oldid=108222 * PkmnQ * (+2409) /* Examples */ Add [[Kolakoski sequence]]
11:18:39 <esolangs> [[QLTYE]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180601 * Cleverxia * (+4494) Created page with ":''This is the english version of [[User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon_dioxide_in_a_polypropylene_box/QLTYLang]].'' QLTYLang is an advanced language. It combined [[User:LynChern]]'s "xxx-lang"'s first draft and the charasterics of [[]] and a language [[The Second Coming]] creat
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11:21:58 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/QLTYLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180603&oldid=180599 * Cleverxia * (+19)
11:24:16 <esolangs> [[QLTYE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180604&oldid=180602 * Cleverxia * (+44) fix again
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11:59:00 <esolangs> [[Meta Cat Program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180606&oldid=180475 * Cleverxia * (+72) /* Implementations */ I want fish swimming in the wrong way again
12:21:52 <esolangs> [[Meta Cat Program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180607&oldid=180606 * Cleverxia * (+208)
12:28:00 <esolangs> [[QLTYE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180608&oldid=180605 * Cleverxia * (-1) /* Numeric machine */
12:35:14 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/QLTYLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180609&oldid=180584 * Cleverxia * (-6)
12:43:43 <esolangs> [[Queje]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180610 * Cleverxia * (+463) Created page with "{{lowercase}} {{WIP}} '''queje''' is an esolang created by [[user:cleverxia]]. There are no typos here. [[Category:Languages]] ==Program flow== every program in queje consist of some commands that does two things: change the IP, and does someting to a queue. {| class="
12:45:12 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180611&oldid=179522 * Cleverxia * (+116) /* Current Esolangs I've created */
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13:43:08 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180613&oldid=179594 * PkmnQ * (+27) /* C */
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15:56:08 <esolangs> [[User:Legeriergeek]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180619 * Legeriergeek * (+85) Created page with "Hello! I'm legeriergeek and created [[Wadyoudoudat]] It's all i have to say for now"
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16:23:47 <esolangs> [[The Network]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180626&oldid=168770 * Corbin * (+328) /* Fallacies of distributed computing */ Number 9 should actually be the much earlier and more fundamental realization that there are four tenses of spacetime, not three, and that events are partially ordered but not totally ordered. Cameo by Guy Steele!
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02:43:57 <zzo38> What I like about TI-92 is the QWERTY keyboard, the unlit display, the REPL that starts immediately, the ability to program it right on there easily, etc. However, there are also disadvantages, such as being slow, and not being FOSS. However, I seem to be having some problems with it which I think is a problem with the power (even if I install new batteries).
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05:25:57 <esolangs> [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180647&oldid=180645 * Miui * (+453) /* Memory safety/management */
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06:04:27 <zzo38> Do you know when the PDF for SIGBOVIK will be available?
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07:22:18 <esolangs> [[Windy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180650 * Sisobus * (+15398) Initial entry for Windy
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10:32:08 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Duodecem]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180661 * PrySigneToFry * (+7253) Created page with "<div style="background:black;color:white;"> <big><big><big><big><big><big><span style='font-family: Times New Roman, Serif'>There is no real beginning, nor is there a real end. Everything is just a cycle.</span></big></big></big></big></
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12:30:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Duodecem]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180665 * Cleverxia * (+296) Created page with "it's impossible to translate any more. but we can just use the whole page to translate and do meta-1, meta-2 and so on. Once some meta-x is too short, we can translate the meta-x page again to get 2-1, 2-2,... ~~~~"
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12:39:29 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180670&oldid=180611 * Cleverxia * (+0) /* Current Esolangs I've created */ the name changed
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17:18:20 <korvo> I've figured out a naked-objects browser for Vixen. It's extensional; I ask objects to answer five methods (name, description, methods, files, objects) and generate a GUI for them. Right now I've generated a Web app and I'm adding more functionality to the shell.
17:19:16 <korvo> I'm starting to notice patterns in what I've previously developed. Cammy has an object browser and a REPL. In Cammy, if you click on something that has the type of a pixel-maker (the "attitude" of "pictures") then the Web browser will show you the rendered pixels in addition to the AST.
17:20:03 <korvo> The pixels are like an extensional model for the pixel-making expression. The methods are like an extensional model for directories-as-objects.
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18:46:31 <aadenboy> unless I just haven't been paying enough attention, there seems to be an influx in AI-generated esolangs
18:46:49 <aadenboy> at least this year/few months alone
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19:46:57 <ais523> although it's more like an influx in AI-written pages that look like esolang specs
19:47:19 <ais523> on closer examination, many of them don't describe actual esolangs, they just look like they do
19:47:58 <b_jonas> eh, a lot of the old pages were like that too, that's not really a change
19:48:27 <ais523> I'm still trying to make out what to do with pages like https://esolangs.org/wiki/A_bliss-pit
19:48:48 <ais523> b_jonas: so I think there are two basic categories of pages on the wiki that appear to describe esolangs
19:49:13 <ais523> one of them is where an actual language exists, and the page is trying to give details on the language; some of these are very light on details, e.g. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Jelly
19:49:54 <ais523> and the other is where someone has written about a hypothetical language as though it were real – the "lesser-known programming languages" is one of the oldest examples of this
19:50:12 <ais523> (although in many cases an actual language was designed based on the description)
19:50:21 <ais523> oh, TURKEY BOMB is another good example of the latter sort
19:50:56 <ais523> I think that basically all of the first category of pages are desirable (although in the case of an AI-generated language we would want a non-AI-written description of it)
19:51:08 <ais523> the latter category, much of it we don't want, but I think it would be wrong to exclude all of it
19:53:24 <int-e> Wow, [A bliss-pit] achieves near-fungot levels of coherence.
19:53:55 <ais523> well, the author seemed to have a narrative in mind (fungot usually doesn't)
19:54:41 <b_jonas> https://esolangs.org/wiki/A_bliss-pit https://esolangs.org/wiki/Xkcd_1537 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Xkcd_1537 are of the latter kind, there's no actual language that they don't describe; so is https://esolangs.org/wiki/PL/MIX
19:56:22 <int-e> It's clearly miscategorized. But it's a failure even as an attempt of off-topic entertainment. Just awkwardly punning a few esolang keywords just isn't enough :-/
19:56:38 <b_jonas> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Dfhjdsbfjhdsgfsdjhfbsdhhfbnshd is an empty page that looks like it never even tried to describe a language
19:56:38 <ais523> I feel like, for non-languages, the value of the page depends on a) whether anyone's likely to expand it into a real language, b) whether people are likely to want to discover more information about it. c) how good the joke is
19:57:15 <int-e> . o O ( "Why did I read this." )
19:58:09 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ais523 * moved [[Dfhjdsbfjhdsgfsdjhfbsdhhfbnshd]] to [[Talk:Spellblocks]]: Revert move renaming a page to a random title is not a good way to try to delete it, it just means that you end up with more pages that need deleting
19:58:09 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Talk:Spellblocks]]": Deleted to make way for move from "[[Dfhjdsbfjhdsgfsdjhfbsdhhfbnshd]]"
19:58:28 <int-e> TBH I don't think the problem here is to decide what *should* be done with such pages. It's finding the bandwidth to actually moderate all the new crap.
19:58:57 <ais523> int-e: the problem is finding the boundary
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19:59:33 <ais523> what's the reasoning for "I ran this page describing an esolang through some translation tools and laughed at the result" being deletable, but something like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Vaguest not being so?
20:00:09 <ais523> the PL/MIX page should probably stay because it is something that people might potentially want to look up
20:00:56 <int-e> Well if we want to allow good jokes, it will be subjective.
20:01:24 <int-e> [Vaguest] kind of works on a meta level but I don't think anyone would miss it ;-)
20:01:28 <b_jonas> yes, PL/MIX is one of those cases where Knuth's failures are more interesting than an ordinary programmer's successes, so they're worth to document
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20:01:43 <korvo> I proposed a basic boundary: https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Corbin/Spring_cleaning
20:03:22 <ais523> korvo: that isn't really a boundary, that's just a list of pages
20:03:36 <ais523> it presents a couple of principles, but even those are not generalisable to things they don't directly cover
20:04:17 <korvo> ais523: I guess I'm not convinced that any written-by-AI pages are interesting.
20:04:32 <ais523> korvo: that is a principle but I don't think it's a dividing line
20:05:01 <ais523> things like "is this page describing an actual language" are potential dividing lines, but may not be in the right place
20:05:41 <ais523> (it should be noted that in theory, any executable that doesn't interpret a practical language can be considered to be an esolang interpreter – so if the AI has made an executable to go with the language spec, a language theoretically exists, although it may not have anything to do with the specification)
20:06:04 <korvo> I agree that it's a bandwidth problem. It'd be quite frustrating if this were a problem of boundaries and dividing lines when one of my items is merely to delete a user's second sandbox.
20:06:52 <korvo> ...Would you find an article interesting if I assured you that I generated it with a d20? What's the burden of proof for that?
20:10:27 <ais523> korvo: the wiki (at least originally) wasn't so much about "interesting" as about "preserving information" – one of the things that is hardest for me to deal with as an admin is when someone comes up with an idea for a language, posts it to the wiki, decides it was a bad idea and tries to delete it (but other people may have been interested in it and want to find out what the language is like)
20:10:54 <ais523> in a sense, documenting the useless or bad ideas is particularly important to stop people wasting time trying to track down details on a wild goose chase
20:11:47 <ais523> a great example is https://esolangs.org/wiki/IMAGERY which I found an interesting source of inspiration despite there clearly being no useful language there
20:12:13 <korvo> Sure. I feel that most edits are citogenic at best, though; they aren't documenting the past, but imagining a hypothetical future.
20:12:23 <ais523> (in particular, I realised that the rule 110 interpreter potentially *does* generalise and it would be possible to generate "rules for an esolang" that would happen, if given a picture of a running cellular automaton, to extend the picture)
20:14:03 <int-e> Wikis used to have a natural filter that's now broken though: A person would have to be inspired enough by an idea to write an article about it. Now all these parts are optional.
20:14:08 <int-e> (discounting spam)
20:14:53 <int-e> So unfortunately, even if "preserve everything" was the idea in the past, I don't think it works in this LLM era.
20:15:13 <aadenboy> ais523: there's been a few times where I've done that, but I've only moved it to userspace instead so I can still think or reflect about it if time comes, and I've been tacking on other ideas I am not fully confident with in the same area as well
20:15:36 <ais523> aadenboy: I am OK with a move to userspace, it is clear what happened and no information is lost
20:16:10 <ais523> I am less OK with people doing things like "deleting" a page by renaming it to the name of the next page they are creating and overwriting it, meaning that the same page contains the history of all the pages they've ever deleted
20:16:25 <ais523> because it is confusing to work out what happened and an extreme pain to undo as an admin
20:16:55 <aadenboy> plus broken/irrelevant redirects
20:17:26 <ais523> int-e: I think probably the best solution to AI-generated languages is to redirect to a list of them describing the basic idea (especially given that the details don't really matter due to having been randomly generated and are often self-contradictory)
20:17:31 <int-e> (TBH I'm rather detached from this, because there's a strong filter between the wiki and my access to it: Usually I only end up there because I follow some link (usually from IRC) or from one page to another. Oh and I guess the occasional search engine hit.)
20:18:03 <ais523> really we would want a list describing the name of the language idea and the prompt used to create a specification
20:21:52 <ais523> korvo: anyway I really have been wanting to put up a draft policy to allow more page deletions (in particular I also want user-editable pages to be deleted unless there's evidence that they have actually created a viable language), but I have failed to do so due to a lack of mental bandwidth (both in general and due to having higher-priority things to do on the rare occasions that I have sufficient mental bandwidth to do anything at all)
20:26:46 * ais523 suddenly realises that AI-generated languages should probably be merged into the list of ideas
20:27:44 <ais523> …because the only useful part of the page is the idea
20:28:03 <int-e> . o O ( assuming there was one )
20:28:22 <int-e> Like I fully believe that some of these prompts are just "make an esolang"
20:28:44 <int-e> and maybe a few templates and instructions about style
20:30:54 <korvo> ais523: Well, thanks to the magic of chronic unemployment in a crumbling economy, I have plenty of bandwidth for drafting policies. I can leave them on the relevant talk pages.
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20:42:58 <fizzie> Saw the "near-fungot levels of coherence" comment and it made me realize it was gone again.
20:42:59 <fungot> fizzie: the coyotos folks sadly turned down transparent persistence at a level of indirection. kawa compiles to a simplified bfm subset, which itself is used with mhp?
20:48:53 <fizzie> I suspect it's about the Scheme implementation instead.
20:50:57 <fizzie> (The "irc" style includes material from the #scheme channel as well. And nothing from the last decade.)
21:04:31 <ais523> I wonder whether giving fungot a new decade of material would even help
21:04:31 <fungot> ais523: mm. that's funny, it *didn't* bother me at first blush, riastradh, for your information
21:05:18 <int-e> it might produce more recognizable nicks :P
21:05:34 <int-e> other than that, I suspect the answer is no
21:07:16 <ais523> korvo: what do you think of https://esolangs.org/wiki/Windy ? an LLM was clearly involved somewhere but it is much more coherent than the typical LLM-written page
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21:08:03 <ais523> I haven't yet determined whether it's actually a language or whether it's something that does a really good job of looking like an esolang spec without being one
21:08:34 <int-e> Maybe there's a useful distinction to be made between LLM-generated and LLM-edited.
21:11:02 <int-e> (The difficulty is to tell those apart. And there's a philosophical question related to the infinite monkeys thing: If you generate something using an LLM, read it, and decide it's interesting... is that enough of a filter to make it suitable?)
21:14:52 <int-e> "The language has 35 opcodes total." -- it's such a terrible idea to put this into a language description ;-) (I counted 44)
21:16:41 <int-e> Some details are bad. What is the "Arbitrary precision throughout" subsection saying?
21:17:27 <ais523> really the "correct" things to do with this sort of language are to reverse-engineer the spec from the implementation
21:17:37 <ais523> but that is a lot of effort that it's unreasonable to ask any given person to put in
21:18:27 <int-e> "Speed, like the stack, is BigInt"
21:19:02 <ais523> I think that's more likely to be written by a human than a computer, but I'm not sure
21:19:14 <int-e> Eh, it's really pretty bad when you get to the details. Could be purely LLM generated with something contemporary that "thinks" a lot.
21:19:38 <int-e> Or maybe there *is* human direction at the high level. Who knows!
21:20:55 <int-e> It says "sparse grid" but never defines what that means
21:21:29 <ais523> hmm, I think I know what that means, but it is a sign of AI – it is confusing the specification with the implementation, which AIs do a lot more than humans do (but humans do sometimes too)
21:23:39 <int-e> it claims TC-ness but it's unclear how unbounded coordinates would contribute to that. (speeds are too limited to do interesting interceptions with the "collision merge"). It's probably TC purely because you can fit a 2 register Minsky machine.
21:27:01 <int-e> Oh, I'm wrong, it has random access into *something*.
21:29:54 <int-e> Eh. That raises different questions though: what happens if a written value is not a Unicode point?
21:30:47 <ais523> isn't this basically the same issue that Funge-98 implementations have?
21:32:09 <korvo> ais523: It is coherent but also junk, if that makes sense?
21:32:14 <int-e> oh and if you write a '>', and then read, will that give back '>' or '→'...
21:32:48 <ais523> int-e: the sensible way to interpret the article is that any > in the source code gets macro-replaced to → before the program even starts to run
21:32:58 <ais523> that might not be what the implementation actually does, of course
21:33:06 <int-e> ais523: so, some of what I wrote was wrong (I missed the `p` and `g` instructions) but it's still annoying how much things fall apart when you try to delve into the details
21:33:58 <int-e> ais523: well, it says "the printed form"
21:34:15 <int-e> (at least in one place)
21:35:23 <int-e> But it's probably substantial enough to deserve a place on the wiki? Maybe with a warning to treat it as a concept rather than a specification :P)
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21:37:09 <int-e> ais523: regarding the sparse thing... the usual way we'd do this is to say that there's an infinite grid and all but a finite part is initially filled with spaces
21:37:20 <int-e> (said finite part is given by the source code)
21:37:46 <int-e> so the sparseness is an implementation detail that has no place in a specification
21:40:02 <ais523> int-e: agreed, I was talking about how the specification is confused with an implementation
22:04:36 <b_jonas> sometimes those implementation details can make it easier for the reader to understand the rules of the language
22:04:48 <b_jonas> perhaps not in thise case though
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22:37:36 <ais523> OK so I think the issue is that there isn't a straightforward/simple answer to this sort of thing, and I don't have the mental energy to work out a complicated one
22:47:19 <fizzie> The repository for that thing might be the first one I've seen those "X and claude" attributions outside of screenshots.
22:47:21 <fizzie> (There's a SPEC.md file in it that's more detailed than the wiki article, by the way.)
22:55:44 <fizzie> Funge-98 requires the Funge-Space cells to use the same data type as the Stack Stack, and for that type to be a signed integer type that's at least strongly suggested if not required to be bounded. It doesn't define how characters are encoded in source files.
23:02:08 <b_jonas> fizzie: why? can't putting to funge-space just truncate values? there's enough stack manipulation that the program can encode a bigger integer from the stack to multiple funge cells
23:10:16 <fizzie> The spec doesn't say why, but it's very explicit about that being the case.
23:10:29 <fizzie> "The important thing is that the stack cells have the same memory size as the Funge-Space cells."
23:10:53 <fizzie> It could just be because that's more convenient for the programmer.
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23:19:45 <ais523> fizzie: I'm pretty sure that cpressey decided that bignum Funge-98 didn't violate the spec (or at least that the spec should be modified to allow it), although it probably wasn't part of the initial plans
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