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00:51:39 <esolangs> [[Slantfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187879&oldid=187776 * Cordership * (+4) /* Truth-machine */
00:52:52 <esolangs> [[Slantfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187880&oldid=187879 * Cordership * (+1) /* Looping counter */
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00:56:23 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187883&oldid=187882 * Cordership * (+3) /* Looping counter */
00:59:16 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187884&oldid=187883 * Cordership * (+140) /* Syntax */
00:59:40 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187885&oldid=187884 * Cordership * (-15) /* Looping counter */
01:03:13 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187886&oldid=187885 * Cordership * (+212) /* Syntax */
01:04:10 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187887&oldid=187886 * Cordership * (+15) /* Looping counter */
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02:42:04 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187890&oldid=187889 * Cordership * (+108) /* Factorials */
02:47:50 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187891&oldid=187890 * Cordership * (+3) /* Syntax */
04:05:05 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187892&oldid=187891 * Cordership * (+343) /* Examples */
04:05:37 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187893&oldid=187892 * Cordership * (+32) /* Syntax */
04:06:11 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187894&oldid=187893 * Cordership * (-24) /* A+B Problem */
04:26:53 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187895&oldid=187894 * Cordership * (-232) /* Factorials */
04:27:07 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187896&oldid=187895 * Cordership * (-5) /* Factorial version 2 */
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04:30:21 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187897&oldid=187896 * Cordership * (+46) /* Kolakoski sequence */
04:30:46 <esolangs> [[Esomath]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187898&oldid=187872 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+69) categorization, by the way we have the infobox proglang template if you were looking for an infobox
04:31:14 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187899&oldid=187897 * Cordership * (-14) /* Truth-machine */
04:33:15 <esolangs> [[99 bottles of beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187900&oldid=185203 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+199) /* Polynomix */ One for each year) (----
04:34:04 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187901&oldid=187899 * Cordership * (-14) /* Check even/odd */
04:43:43 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187902&oldid=187901 * Cordership * (+5) /* Disan count */
04:47:40 <esolangs> [[Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187903&oldid=187862 * None1 * (+11) /* Introduction */
04:49:43 <esolangs> [[Gofe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187904&oldid=185280 * None1 * (+132) /* Implementation */
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04:57:21 <esolangs> [[Polynomix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187906&oldid=187817 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+634) /* 99 bottles of beer */ One for each year) (----
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09:11:31 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187908&oldid=187873 * None1 * (+12) /* N */
09:17:22 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187909&oldid=187856 * None1 * (+85) /* My Esolangs */
09:29:28 <esolangs> [[Meow/libs/math.meow]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187910&oldid=169064 * None1 * (+0)
09:30:59 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187911&oldid=187909 * None1 * (+28) /* My Esolangs */
09:32:46 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187912&oldid=187911 * None1 * (-39) /* Meow */
09:33:58 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187913&oldid=187912 * None1 * (-142) /* Meow */
09:35:16 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187914&oldid=187913 * None1 * (+139) /* My Esolangs */
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13:34:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again Chapter IX]]": running a language description page through a translator and back just creates a duplicate page that is harder to read and doesn't help to document the language; content has been archived externally to this site
13:34:50 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Translated ZhongWen/None1 again3]]": running a language description page through a translator and back just creates a duplicate page that is harder to read and doesn't help to document the language; content has been archived externally to this site
13:35:14 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Translated ZhongWen/None1]]": running a language description page through a translator and back just creates a duplicate page that is harder to read and doesn't help to document the language; content has been archived externally to this site
13:35:14 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Talk:Translated ZhongWen/None1]]": Deleted together with the associated page with reason: running a language description page through a translator and back just creates a duplicate page that is harder to read and doesn't help to document the language; content has been archived externally to this site
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14:49:09 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187916&oldid=186340 * DGCK81LNN * (-86) /* Koishi runtime specific */
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15:46:21 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187917&oldid=180713 * Aadenboy * (-14) /* Commands */
16:16:12 <esolangs> [[Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187918&oldid=187562 * Bobby Jacobs * (+10) Maybe, we should call S' a converse starling, in accordance with the converse warbler.
16:17:41 <esolangs> [[Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187919&oldid=187918 * Bobby Jacobs * (-22)
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16:31:03 <esolangs> [[SLet 8]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187920 * I am islptng * (+23) Redirected page to [[Polynomix]]
16:31:24 <esolangs> [[SLet 6]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187921 * I am islptng * (+24) Redirected page to [[SletScript]]
16:32:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187922&oldid=186566 * Bobby Jacobs * (+887) /* The bird S' */ new section
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19:19:00 <b_jonas> the poor wiki machine is suffering so much
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20:15:25 <b_jonas> oh hey, it changed from HTTP 502 to 504. that's progress.
20:20:07 <fizzie> Ugh. This time the usual 5pm "spike" has just kept going: https://zem.fi/tmp/traffic.png
20:20:17 <fizzie> Normally it starts at 5pm and ends at 8pm local time.
20:23:03 <fizzie> 99+% of requests get a fast 403 and yet it's still totally overloaded.
20:26:18 <fizzie> Might try adding a few more patterns to the logged-in-or-verified-only list, though I'm not sure how much it helps. I see a bunch of limit=250 / limit=500 / limit=1000 style URLs, which are probably expensive to generate.
20:26:52 <b_jonas> fizzie: what timezone is local time?
20:27:47 <fizzie> I don't remember if it was the same 5pm local time when we weren't in summertime, and I only keep those charts for 14 days.
20:49:23 <fizzie> So it seems. Sampled 5 requests just now, and they're from consumer-sounding networks of ISPs in Spain, DRC, Qatar, Argentina and Jordan, respectively.
20:55:59 <fizzie> One thing I'd like to explore is to have two distinct PHP worker pools (currently it's just one with 5 concurrent tasks) and route the logged-in/verified users into a different one, that way it might be able to still serve real people even when this sort of thing *gestures frustratedly around* is going on.
21:00:40 <fizzie> There's really not that many requests *not* getting a 403 right now, I do wonder what's keeping it so busy. There's probably some way of monitoring this from the PHP side as well.
21:11:27 <FreeFull> I hate that the web has turned into this
21:11:50 <esolangs> [[Cornucopia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187923&oldid=187093 * Hakerh400 * (+4137) Add more examples; add references to formal proofs
21:15:12 <fizzie> Well, either they stopped naturally, or the changes did something, since it does seem a little more responsive now.
21:15:21 <fizzie> Traffic peaked at 100 reqs/s though.
21:18:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:Cornucopia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187924&oldid=187128 * Hakerh400 * (+428)
21:19:54 <b_jonas> "DRC, Qatar, Argentia, Jordan" wow
21:20:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:Cornucopia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187925&oldid=187924 * Hakerh400 * (+123)
21:21:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:Cornucopia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187926&oldid=187925 * Hakerh400 * (-1)
21:23:08 <fizzie> Next five: UK, Pakistan, Brazil x3 (all three different ISPs though).
21:23:12 <fizzie> Such an international community.
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21:24:57 <FreeFull> How are you detecting them? Are they using the same user agent?
21:26:33 <korvo> fizzie: I forget; are there token buckets? I remember mentioning it but the conversation moved past it last time IIRC.
21:35:52 <fizzie> FreeFull: No, the user agents are presumably randomly generated plausible ones. And I'm not really *detecting* them. The rules that give them 403s is just "any expensive page without one of the two cookies", one being the MediaWiki session one and the other this new verification thing. Those example locations were just any old (non-cookie) requests, so it's not entirely impossible one of them may
21:35:56 <fizzie> Though honestly it's rather unlikely a real person would be looking at, say, Special:RecentChangesLinked for "Anti-Plushie language".
21:37:16 <fizzie> I don't have any explicit token-bucket style rate limiting set up, and I don't exactly know how the combination of web server and PHP execution mechanism deals with congestion.
21:37:36 <FreeFull> TIL about plushie completeness
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21:43:18 <korvo> I wish that we had some sort of art category for [[Plushie-complete]] and similar bullshit. I can appreciate it artistically, but references to it should not litter the (serious) languages.
21:43:51 <korvo> (Y'know, from that massive page, [[(serious) language list]].)
21:48:04 <korvo> fizzie: Makes sense. I don't remember how to do it offhand, but I'm pretty sure Linux and BSD both have a way to set up basic bounded queues, maybe with token buckets?, so that each /8 or /16 gets its own bucket. This might sound unhelpful, but if only big pages are being generated then this would end up preserving the few /8 and /16 which are well-behaved, kind of like reserved inodes for root.
21:49:49 <korvo> Being literally Google-brained, I'd imagine that at the Web-server level there's a way to (statistically?) detect expensive queries and give all of those the "Expensive Queries" bucket, regardless of source. So ordinary article views, which hopefully are cheap?, would go via a bigger "Cheap Queries" bucket.
21:52:28 <korvo> fizzie: Oh! "congestion" and "big pages" made me think of bufferbloat. Vampires, stairs, protected, etc. Recent Linux has improved a lot; if you have at least Linux 5.x, consider these sysctls: https://bpa.st/ZVVA
21:55:54 <korvo> I run these at home, in the cloud, pretty much everywhere I run NixOS. Wouldn't recommend something like this if I didn't already use it.
21:59:18 <korvo> FreeFull: Oh, in case you haven't admined MediaWiki before, Lucky 10000: MW is *not* a lightweight service. Its footprint is legendary. We are fortunate that the DB is fast and that there's only a few Web frontends; if we had lots of frontends then we'd have lots of DB traffic.
21:59:42 <FreeFull> I haven't admined mediawiki, but yeah, I heard some pages are quite heavy
22:00:05 <FreeFull> The other people who complain about load are those running git web frontends
22:00:15 <FreeFull> But this is definitely impacting everyone
22:00:26 <fizzie> I sort of suspect the bottleneck is between the web server and PHP (in terms of actual network bandwidth it's not that much traffic), but I guess I might as well.
22:00:49 <fizzie> I had to turn the HackEso Mercurial web frontend just plain off for similar reasons.
22:00:52 <FreeFull> All to do what, train another crappy LLM?
22:01:31 <fizzie> That's the general assumption I guess, hard to think of any other reason for all this.
22:03:54 <fizzie> Here's the charts after adding more pages to the login-or-verification-required list: https://zem.fi/tmp/traffic2.png
22:04:07 <fizzie> So they certainly haven't let up, pretty much the opposite (I guess due to more requests being fast 403s).
22:04:32 <fizzie> I wonder if an artificial delay on the 403 page would actually lower the incoming request rate then.
22:14:13 <korvo> Yesss. Give in to the daaahk siiide. *evil chuckle*
22:23:18 <FreeFull> I wonder what would happen if you just close the connection instead of serving anything
22:28:06 <korvo> Either a retry from the same IP, or retry from another IP, depending on spider configuration, up to some timeout which apparently is configured in fucking hours for these dorks.
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22:30:05 <korvo> BTW "dorking" is the technical term for making these sorts of autogenerated queries meant to probe deep into a website's data. Very funny coincidence, or good explainer for the origin of the name? You decide.
22:31:46 <korvo> Has anybody else, this entire time, had intrusive thoughts like "wow, I really hope I didn't acidentally configure a cronjob on the machine in the garage to curl esolangs wiki incessantly for hours at a time"?
22:39:34 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * NuclearPasta * New user account
22:40:33 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187927&oldid=183837 * Miui * (+103) /* Mathematics */
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22:42:28 <b_jonas> korvo: no, I'm more careful about that sort of thing this time and my scripts would give up after a bunch of failures. back when I was young I made a script to automatically explore in the web-based game, and left it running every day from an atjob, then a few years later I found that the new maintainers of the game have decided that using bots is not allowed and banned my user, but the script didn't
22:42:34 <b_jonas> have adequate safeguards to stop running so it was still trying to submit moves in the game every day
22:42:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187928&oldid=187865 * NuclearPasta * (+188) /* Introductions */
22:43:51 <korvo> Oh wow, that much have been stressful. Those games really do invite a lot of abuse with their refresh-heavy schemes.
22:45:59 <b_jonas> to be clear the script didn't get me anything useful in the game. it explored the map in a spiral pattern with a ship, the map has an island on every point of a square grid, but islands that are unused just get deleted and a new random island regenerated in its place after a while so the exploration didn't even get me any useful information other than perhaps some player-controlled islands which weren't
22:46:05 <b_jonas> useful to me in the early game.
22:46:33 <b_jonas> what I learned from this is a bit of how to debug programs, and how HTTP works.
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00:02:04 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187929&oldid=187927 * Hakerh400 * (+1) That thing seems to be about general mathematics, not specifically about theorem provers
00:16:56 <esolangs> [[User:CodePentuplets48]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187930&oldid=184664 * CodePentuplets48 * (+47)
00:18:29 <esolangs> [[User talk:CodePentuplets48]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187931&oldid=183673 * CodePentuplets48 * (+27) /* Stop vandalizing talk pages by deleting or altering other peoples' comments mid-conversation */
00:20:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:CodePentuplets48]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187932&oldid=187931 * CodePentuplets48 * (+166) /* The answer to the First Post thread */ new section
00:21:15 <esolangs> [[BoxedLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187933&oldid=187361 * Mc20000 * (-166) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/187361|187361]] by [[Special:Contributions/Mc20000|Mc20000]] ([[User talk:Mc20000|talk]])
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00:26:34 <esolangs> [[BrainFlash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187934&oldid=183675 * CodePentuplets48 * (+15)
00:26:54 <esolangs> [[BrainFlash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187935&oldid=187934 * CodePentuplets48 * (+1)
00:34:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * MareSerenitatis12 * New user account
00:35:40 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187936&oldid=187928 * MareSerenitatis12 * (+435) /* Introductions */
00:35:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:CodePentuplets48]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187937&oldid=187932 * CodePentuplets48 * (+214)
00:38:37 <esolangs> [[TardiSHA]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187938 * MareSerenitatis12 * (+15265) Created page with "=TardiSHA= '''TardiSHA''' is a deterministic structured-content seal, source engine, and constructed computational language created by [[Magus Jamye Reficul Ahnend]]. The name expands to '''Time and Relative Dimension in Space Hash'''. TardiSHA is the fir
00:40:39 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187939&oldid=187908 * MareSerenitatis12 * (+15) /* T */
00:42:21 <esolangs> [[TardiSHA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187940&oldid=187938 * MareSerenitatis12 * (+25) /* External links */
00:42:42 <esolangs> [[TardiSHA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187941&oldid=187940 * MareSerenitatis12 * (-23) /* External links */
00:43:29 <esolangs> [[TardiSHA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187942&oldid=187941 * MareSerenitatis12 * (+89) /* External links */
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01:07:34 <esolangs> [[Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187943&oldid=185426 * Timwi * (+127) New string function
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01:26:00 <esolangs> [[Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187944&oldid=187943 * Aadenboy * (+48) /* Strings */ add a mention of [[arbitrary memory emulation]]. not sure how to shoehorn the link in here so it's just after the first paragraph
01:29:09 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187945&oldid=174011 * Aadenboy * (+10184) I wonder if pages are still added to the math parser fail category with the change to the <math> tag?
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03:14:55 <esolangs> [[Plea]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187946&oldid=177326 * UnavgAustralian * (+77)
03:29:15 <esolangs> [[ASCIIgibberish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187947&oldid=187831 * Cordership * (+26) /* Syntax */
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03:37:18 <xat_huya> does the stack has to be integer or can it be an array
03:40:38 <somefan> by convention, it is an array
03:41:14 <somefan> but you can simulate a stack using an integer data type
03:43:59 <somefan> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Arbitrary_memory_emulation
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04:01:17 <esolangs> [[CLEAR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187948&oldid=187724 * Representativeofpeace * (+129)
04:13:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:Chain]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187949 * Representativeofpeace * (+359) Created page with "i will adopt this great idea thanks ~~~~ expect to see syntax soon although it wont perfectly match the original idea~~~~"
04:43:30 <esolangs> [[Nilad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187950&oldid=187915 * None1 * (+122) /* Examples */
04:44:44 <esolangs> [[Nilad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187951&oldid=187950 * None1 * (+996)
04:45:25 <esolangs> [[Minimalized Nilad]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187952 * None1 * (+37) Redirected page to [[Nilad#Minimalized Nilad]]
04:59:31 <esolangs> [[Nilad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187953&oldid=187951 * I am islptng * (+316)
05:13:28 <esolangs> [[TardiSHA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187954&oldid=187942 * Corbin * (-175) Tag slop, fix categories, remove copyright notice. You got lucky: chatbots aren't authors, so this isn't actually copyrighted text.
05:16:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Chain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187955&oldid=187949 * Corbin * (+201) See also.
05:23:56 <esolangs> [[Talk:Adofaiscript]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187956 * Representativeofpeace * (+199) Created page with "i love adofai cool project take some graphical and word support for your mind~~~~"
05:29:45 <esolangs> [[Monoid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187957&oldid=183667 * Corbin * (+47) /* Free monoids */ Give a special case for zero, in case it wasn't clear. Notating the empty word as ''i'' instead of [] in this section; I don't have strong feelings either way.
05:39:04 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187958 * B jonas * (+23570) Created page with "'''Ur-time''' is an esoteric timestamp representation format. An Ur-time string represents and UTC timestamp, or civil time in the UTC timezone in before atomic clocks. There are no bounds for the timestamp that Ur-time can represent, but the strings are variable l
06:35:48 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187959&oldid=187958 * B jonas * (-4)
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07:50:07 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187962&oldid=187961 * Cordership * (+7) /* "Welcome" text in the istplng archive */
07:51:53 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187963&oldid=187962 * Cordership * (+32) /* "Welcome" text in the istplng archive */
07:57:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187964&oldid=187749 * Cordership * (+122) /* more beer pls */ new section
07:57:36 <esolangs> [[User talk:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187965&oldid=187964 * Cordership * (+225) /* more beer pls */ new section
07:58:20 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187966&oldid=187848 * Cordership * (+7)
08:00:03 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187967&oldid=187963 * Cordership * (+53) /* Syntax */
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08:22:32 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187969&oldid=187968 * Cordership * (+42) /* Euler-Mascheroni constant to desired precision */
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08:45:41 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187971&oldid=187970 * Cordership * (+353) /* Syntax */
08:52:29 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187972&oldid=187971 * Cordership * (-113) /* Syntax */
08:53:32 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187973&oldid=187972 * Cordership * (+23) /* Categories */
08:53:51 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187974&oldid=187973 * Cordership * (+11) /* Syntax */
08:59:03 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187975&oldid=187974 * Cordership * (+130) /* Syntax */
09:00:42 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187976&oldid=187975 * Cordership * (+61) /* Syntax */
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09:22:56 <esolangs> [[AddSubJump]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187977 * PKMN Trainer * (+1139) Created page with "AddSubJump (abbreviated to ASJ) is a [[OISC]] language invented by [[User:PKMN Trainer]]. It was inspired by [[FlipJump]]. == Overview == Due to ASJ being the only instruction in this language, it can be implied. ASJ has 4 operands: ASJ a b c d and does the fo
09:23:03 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187978&oldid=187976 * Cordership * (+57)
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09:37:05 <b_jonas> how off-topic is https://esolangs.org/wiki/Ur-time for the wiki?
09:41:33 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187980&oldid=187979 * B jonas * (+3) add accidentally deleted characters from row for 1869-12-12
09:47:04 <esolangs> [[DCL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187981 * Representativeofpeace * (+1117) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=dimensional chain |paradigms=im not so sure myself |author=[[User:Representativeofpeace]] |year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] |memsys=pointer/ dimension based/variables included |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|turing complete]] }} dimens
09:47:08 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187982&oldid=187980 * B jonas * (+292) rationale for the character set
09:52:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187983&oldid=187922 * Blashyrkh * (+415) /* The bird S' */ Converse iota is complete
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10:00:50 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187984&oldid=187978 * Cordership * (+126) /* Syntax */
10:09:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187985&oldid=187983 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+124) /* The bird S' */
10:41:02 <somefan> i'm not sure, but i find the concept interesting
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11:23:41 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187986&oldid=187982 * B jonas * (+1483) examples for URLs parsed wrong
11:37:07 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187987&oldid=187986 * B jonas * (+319) reorder and add headings
11:40:00 <b_jonas> does someone happen to know a datetime library that can handle year numbers at least 11 digits long, ideally 14 digits long, and ideally can handle fractional seconds to nanosecond precision? I'm thinking of adding example code to encode or decode Ur-time to the wiki page, but most libraries that can represent datetimes don't have enough range
11:42:59 <b_jonas> the limited range does make some sense by the way, because a common use of datetime libraries is formatting or parsing ISO 8601 date strings, but those formats break and can become ambiguous for far past or far future years
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11:45:45 <b_jonas> if there's no such library then I'll just write two versions of the functions, one that uses a limited range datetime library and fails for far past or far future years, and one that inputs/outputs a custom broken down time structure with a larger range
11:47:21 <b_jonas> also now I'm on a tight deadline, I have only three and a half years to make a webpage that uses this date format in its urls.
11:48:12 <b_jonas> well, technically I could make a webpage later if it shows data created earlier
11:55:15 <b_jonas> btw as for dates, we still need a new password of the month
11:58:40 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187988&oldid=187987 * B jonas * (+163) more headings
12:02:09 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187989&oldid=187988 * B jonas * (+13)
12:03:27 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187990&oldid=187989 * Blashyrkh * (+120) See also: discordian calendar
12:16:49 <esolangs> [[2024]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187991&oldid=167032 * CodePentuplets48 * (+0)
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13:09:41 <fizzie> `learn The password of the month must be at most 7 characters long, must contain only one type of character (uppercase letter, lowercase letter, number, symbol), must be a common dictionary word, and must not be changed more frequently than once a month.
13:09:50 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month must be at most 7 characters long, must contain only one type of character (uppercase letter, lowercase letter, number, symbol), must be a common dictionary word, and must not be changed more frequently than once a month.
13:14:14 <esolangs> [[User:Hakerh400/Angel problem]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187992 * Hakerh400 * (+14766) Created page with "__NOTOC__ In this article we discuss the formalization of The Angel Problem and its proof. == Definition of the problem == The Angel Problem is about the Angel Game proposed by John Horton Conway. The Angel Game is played two players on an infi
13:16:33 <esolangs> [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187993&oldid=187049 * Hakerh400 * (+80)
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13:44:43 <samuel_> i will try make a golf esolang, i will make an stack that is multiple elements since c is the only language i know and love
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15:24:11 <fizzie> Bah. The new, faster rate of crawling is also making the system run out of disk space, mostly because of logs.
15:24:16 <fizzie> I had it set up as "rotate daily, keep up to 14 days, compress all but the current and previous file", but now even the yesterday + partial today uncompressed logfiles are ~4 GiB in size.
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15:37:23 <fizzie> Oh well. Reconfigured it to rotate up to hourly whenever the size exceeds 100M, and keep less files, hopefully that'll keep it small enough. It all gets ingested into a Loki instance (running on a Real Computer™) within minutes anyway, so these on-system log files are kind of unnecessary.
15:37:49 <fizzie> Also found a gigabyte or so of old unused UML kernel sources for HackEso, so it wasn't a _total_ waste of time.
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16:36:54 <b_jonas> fizzie: is it possible to log only a fraction of the requests instead, so that you have a random sample of requests from 14 days?
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17:20:19 <esolangs> [[Try it online]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188016 * B jonas * (+213) Created page with "[https://tio.run/ '''Try It Online''', also known as '''TIO'''], is a web-based interpreter for over 666 programming languages, including hundreds of esoteric programming languages. [[Category:Implementations]]"
17:24:44 <fizzie> Probably, somehow. There's an `if` condition for the nginx access_log directive, and I could use either some suitably "random" condition (e.g., last digits of the millisecond timestamp) or the Lua support for actual (pseudo)random sampling.
17:24:47 <fizzie> I could also keep the normal request logging for everything else, and use the sampled-down logging specifically for the rejected requests.
17:28:07 <fizzie> I do wish they'd just stop, though, they're getting exactly the same 403 page for 99% of the requests so it's not like whoever's driving this thing is even getting any (new) human-produced data out of this whole exercise.
17:30:56 <esolangs> [[AddSubJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188017&oldid=187977 * PKMN Trainer * (+2065)
17:32:22 <esolangs> [[TIO]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188018 * B jonas * (+27) Redirected page to [[Try it online]]
17:34:11 <b_jonas> fizzie: just to make sure, that 403 page is not like the Irregular Webcomics Draakslair forum, where even requests rejected when the server is overloaded still shows a webpage header of the forum that has to dynamically look up how many unread threads the logged in user has so the server still has to do lots of work for those requests, right?
17:35:41 <fizzie> No, it's fixed content and served from nginx rather than calling into PHP.
17:37:01 <fizzie> Right now it's served by nginx's Lua script module because I added in that experimental 2-second delay (which seems to have made no difference whatsoever to the crawling rate), but it's still very cheap compared to anything MediaWiki does.
17:37:54 <esolangs> [[Anarchy golf]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188019 * B jonas * (+275) Created page with "[http://golf.shinh.org/ '''Anarchy golf''', also known as '''Anagolf'''], is a programming golf contest website that can automatically run submitted programs in over a hundred programming languages, including many esoteric programming languages. [[Category:Implemen
17:39:00 <fizzie> Also while 1x 100% utilized CPU and 4/5.5 Mbps (in/out) of network traffic is _probably_ still negligible to the hosting company that's sponsoring the wiki, I felt a lot more confident about it when it was more like 15-20% CPU and 100/500 kbps of bandwidth.
17:39:21 <fizzie> I wonder if we actually have some set ingress/egress transfer limits set, actually. Maybe.
17:39:59 <esolangs> [[Anagolf]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188020 * B jonas * (+26) Redirected page to [[Anarchy golf]]
17:45:20 <esolangs> [[User:Enny/ENNCPU]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188021&oldid=188015 * Enny * (+660) /* Hacks and Tricks */
17:46:13 <b_jonas> yeah, it would be nice if there was some different response that made them slow down, like a different HTTP error code, or even just disconnecting the server from the network for half of each day for two months, but it doesn't sound very likely.
17:46:56 <b_jonas> the server is already sometimes giving different responses when it's very overloaded
17:47:39 <fizzie> From the dashboard, looks like it's set at 5 TB per... month, probably. Which means roughly a 15 Mbps sustained transfer rate, so at least we're still comfortably below that.
17:51:48 <fizzie> The provider's traffic usage chart covers a longer timespan than my own: https://zem.fi/tmp/iomart-traffic.png
17:54:09 <b_jonas> sure, keeping just some numeric statistics for a longer time than the logs that log every request makes sense
18:09:59 <fizzie> Definitely, but I also have only 14 days of retention for my own numeric (Prometheus) metrics, for no particular reason.
18:10:53 <fizzie> I have a vague recollection that Prometheus' default local on-disk TSDB can have only one global rentetion setting, instead of doing the thing where you have short retention for the "raw" full-resolution (one sample per scrape) data, but longer retention for precomputed (possibly downsampled) derived time series.
18:16:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188022&oldid=188012 * Blashyrkh * (+458) /* The bird S' */ Proof that replacement S --> S' not always produces complete basis
18:18:07 <b_jonas> fizzie: the statistics are cheap to save because the Linux kernel already has per network interface counters that you can query with (ip -s link)
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19:56:31 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188027&oldid=188013 * B jonas * (-58) remove silly leap second condition
19:57:32 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188028&oldid=188027 * B jonas * (+0)
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20:54:03 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188032&oldid=187939 * CodePentuplets48 * (+19) /* U */
20:59:27 <esolangs> [[Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188033&oldid=187376 * Bobby Jacobs * (+0) * means to add a variable in front, but ' means to switch x and y. Therefore, D=B*, but Q=B'.
21:01:51 <esolangs> [[Lazy K]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188034&oldid=161636 * Bobby Jacobs * (+14) /* See also */
21:12:58 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188035&oldid=173550 * PKMN Trainer * (+118) /* ACRONYM */
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21:45:35 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (D-G)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188040&oldid=181724 * PKMN Trainer * (+89) /* Funciton */
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23:51:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:Tableaux]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188044 * AlephSquirrel * (+345) Created page with "==Computational power?== It has already been demonstrated that the language is uncomputable, however this doesn't say whether it's equivalent to a Turing machine with a halting oracle, or something more powerful. I was wondering if this is known. ~~~~"
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00:21:38 <korvo> Ur-time looks fun.
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01:19:59 <b_jonas> korvo: thank you. but I'd still like to know whether it's on topic enough for the esowiki.
01:21:03 <korvo> Oh, for sure. I'm kind of surprised that there's no page on ddate and Discordian norms; it's esoteric and it's definitely useful when you want to chop the year up into fifths.
01:24:03 <b_jonas> also I can use the set of 64 characters standalone to base-64 encode arbitrary binary data that need not be dates, and now I have a convenient way to refer to that character set to distinguish it from other base64/uuencode character sets, I can just call it Ur64
01:24:31 <b_jonas> that encoding still works in URLs for the same reason
01:34:11 <zzo38> I preferred the base64 variant in sixel for general use, although it would not be applicable to everything because different uses need a different subset of characters.
01:38:53 <zzo38> (Foxxil also has its own base64 set for storing differences of files. Also, the standard base64 set is a subset of the Printable character set, although this would seem unlikely to be of much significance.)
01:42:10 <zzo38> Also, the Ur-time format could be used with some URLs other than HTTP as well.
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02:15:15 <zzo38> What kind of transformations can be done to indexed colour pictures (without knowing what colours the index numbers correspond to) to make them compress better with huffed LZ77?
02:19:23 <b_jonas> zzo38: I think PNG can just do the same six or so transformations that it does on true color images, treating the indexes as integers modulo 256.
02:28:37 <zzo38> Yes, although I think those transformations are not meant for indexed colours and work better for true colours than indexed (although even for true colours, there are better ways)
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04:14:48 <esolangs> [[Matrixlang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188047 * Frodothecat * (+4645) Creating MatrixLang
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