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00:51:39 <esolangs> [[Slantfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187879&oldid=187776 * Cordership * (+4) /* Truth-machine */
00:52:52 <esolangs> [[Slantfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187880&oldid=187879 * Cordership * (+1) /* Looping counter */
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00:56:23 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187883&oldid=187882 * Cordership * (+3) /* Looping counter */
00:59:16 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187884&oldid=187883 * Cordership * (+140) /* Syntax */
00:59:40 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187885&oldid=187884 * Cordership * (-15) /* Looping counter */
01:03:13 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187886&oldid=187885 * Cordership * (+212) /* Syntax */
01:04:10 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187887&oldid=187886 * Cordership * (+15) /* Looping counter */
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02:42:04 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187890&oldid=187889 * Cordership * (+108) /* Factorials */
02:47:50 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187891&oldid=187890 * Cordership * (+3) /* Syntax */
04:05:05 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187892&oldid=187891 * Cordership * (+343) /* Examples */
04:05:37 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187893&oldid=187892 * Cordership * (+32) /* Syntax */
04:06:11 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187894&oldid=187893 * Cordership * (-24) /* A+B Problem */
04:26:53 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187895&oldid=187894 * Cordership * (-232) /* Factorials */
04:27:07 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187896&oldid=187895 * Cordership * (-5) /* Factorial version 2 */
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04:30:21 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187897&oldid=187896 * Cordership * (+46) /* Kolakoski sequence */
04:30:46 <esolangs> [[Esomath]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187898&oldid=187872 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+69) categorization, by the way we have the infobox proglang template if you were looking for an infobox
04:31:14 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187899&oldid=187897 * Cordership * (-14) /* Truth-machine */
04:33:15 <esolangs> [[99 bottles of beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187900&oldid=185203 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+199) /* Polynomix */ One for each year) (----
04:34:04 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187901&oldid=187899 * Cordership * (-14) /* Check even/odd */
04:43:43 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187902&oldid=187901 * Cordership * (+5) /* Disan count */
04:47:40 <esolangs> [[Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187903&oldid=187862 * None1 * (+11) /* Introduction */
04:49:43 <esolangs> [[Gofe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187904&oldid=185280 * None1 * (+132) /* Implementation */
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04:57:21 <esolangs> [[Polynomix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187906&oldid=187817 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+634) /* 99 bottles of beer */ One for each year) (----
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09:11:31 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187908&oldid=187873 * None1 * (+12) /* N */
09:17:22 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187909&oldid=187856 * None1 * (+85) /* My Esolangs */
09:29:28 <esolangs> [[Meow/libs/math.meow]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187910&oldid=169064 * None1 * (+0)
09:30:59 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187911&oldid=187909 * None1 * (+28) /* My Esolangs */
09:32:46 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187912&oldid=187911 * None1 * (-39) /* Meow */
09:33:58 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187913&oldid=187912 * None1 * (-142) /* Meow */
09:35:16 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187914&oldid=187913 * None1 * (+139) /* My Esolangs */
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13:34:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again Chapter IX]]": running a language description page through a translator and back just creates a duplicate page that is harder to read and doesn't help to document the language; content has been archived externally to this site
13:34:50 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Translated ZhongWen/None1 again3]]": running a language description page through a translator and back just creates a duplicate page that is harder to read and doesn't help to document the language; content has been archived externally to this site
13:35:14 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Translated ZhongWen/None1]]": running a language description page through a translator and back just creates a duplicate page that is harder to read and doesn't help to document the language; content has been archived externally to this site
13:35:14 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Talk:Translated ZhongWen/None1]]": Deleted together with the associated page with reason: running a language description page through a translator and back just creates a duplicate page that is harder to read and doesn't help to document the language; content has been archived externally to this site
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14:49:09 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187916&oldid=186340 * DGCK81LNN * (-86) /* Koishi runtime specific */
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15:46:21 <esolangs> [[Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187917&oldid=180713 * Aadenboy * (-14) /* Commands */
16:16:12 <esolangs> [[Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187918&oldid=187562 * Bobby Jacobs * (+10) Maybe, we should call S' a converse starling, in accordance with the converse warbler.
16:17:41 <esolangs> [[Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187919&oldid=187918 * Bobby Jacobs * (-22)
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16:31:03 <esolangs> [[SLet 8]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187920 * I am islptng * (+23) Redirected page to [[Polynomix]]
16:31:24 <esolangs> [[SLet 6]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187921 * I am islptng * (+24) Redirected page to [[SletScript]]
16:32:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187922&oldid=186566 * Bobby Jacobs * (+887) /* The bird S' */ new section
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19:19:00 <b_jonas> the poor wiki machine is suffering so much
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20:15:25 <b_jonas> oh hey, it changed from HTTP 502 to 504. that's progress.
20:20:07 <fizzie> Ugh. This time the usual 5pm "spike" has just kept going: https://zem.fi/tmp/traffic.png
20:20:17 <fizzie> Normally it starts at 5pm and ends at 8pm local time.
20:23:03 <fizzie> 99+% of requests get a fast 403 and yet it's still totally overloaded.
20:26:18 <fizzie> Might try adding a few more patterns to the logged-in-or-verified-only list, though I'm not sure how much it helps. I see a bunch of limit=250 / limit=500 / limit=1000 style URLs, which are probably expensive to generate.
20:26:52 <b_jonas> fizzie: what timezone is local time?
20:27:47 <fizzie> I don't remember if it was the same 5pm local time when we weren't in summertime, and I only keep those charts for 14 days.
20:49:23 <fizzie> So it seems. Sampled 5 requests just now, and they're from consumer-sounding networks of ISPs in Spain, DRC, Qatar, Argentina and Jordan, respectively.
20:55:59 <fizzie> One thing I'd like to explore is to have two distinct PHP worker pools (currently it's just one with 5 concurrent tasks) and route the logged-in/verified users into a different one, that way it might be able to still serve real people even when this sort of thing *gestures frustratedly around* is going on.
21:00:40 <fizzie> There's really not that many requests *not* getting a 403 right now, I do wonder what's keeping it so busy. There's probably some way of monitoring this from the PHP side as well.
21:11:27 <FreeFull> I hate that the web has turned into this
21:11:50 <esolangs> [[Cornucopia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187923&oldid=187093 * Hakerh400 * (+4137) Add more examples; add references to formal proofs
21:15:12 <fizzie> Well, either they stopped naturally, or the changes did something, since it does seem a little more responsive now.
21:15:21 <fizzie> Traffic peaked at 100 reqs/s though.
21:18:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:Cornucopia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187924&oldid=187128 * Hakerh400 * (+428)
21:19:54 <b_jonas> "DRC, Qatar, Argentia, Jordan" wow
21:20:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:Cornucopia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187925&oldid=187924 * Hakerh400 * (+123)
21:21:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:Cornucopia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187926&oldid=187925 * Hakerh400 * (-1)
21:23:08 <fizzie> Next five: UK, Pakistan, Brazil x3 (all three different ISPs though).
21:23:12 <fizzie> Such an international community.
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21:24:57 <FreeFull> How are you detecting them? Are they using the same user agent?
21:26:33 <korvo> fizzie: I forget; are there token buckets? I remember mentioning it but the conversation moved past it last time IIRC.
21:35:52 <fizzie> FreeFull: No, the user agents are presumably randomly generated plausible ones. And I'm not really *detecting* them. The rules that give them 403s is just "any expensive page without one of the two cookies", one being the MediaWiki session one and the other this new verification thing. Those example locations were just any old (non-cookie) requests, so it's not entirely impossible one of them may
21:35:56 <fizzie> Though honestly it's rather unlikely a real person would be looking at, say, Special:RecentChangesLinked for "Anti-Plushie language".
21:37:16 <fizzie> I don't have any explicit token-bucket style rate limiting set up, and I don't exactly know how the combination of web server and PHP execution mechanism deals with congestion.
21:37:36 <FreeFull> TIL about plushie completeness
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21:43:18 <korvo> I wish that we had some sort of art category for [[Plushie-complete]] and similar bullshit. I can appreciate it artistically, but references to it should not litter the (serious) languages.
21:43:51 <korvo> (Y'know, from that massive page, [[(serious) language list]].)
21:48:04 <korvo> fizzie: Makes sense. I don't remember how to do it offhand, but I'm pretty sure Linux and BSD both have a way to set up basic bounded queues, maybe with token buckets?, so that each /8 or /16 gets its own bucket. This might sound unhelpful, but if only big pages are being generated then this would end up preserving the few /8 and /16 which are well-behaved, kind of like reserved inodes for root.
21:49:49 <korvo> Being literally Google-brained, I'd imagine that at the Web-server level there's a way to (statistically?) detect expensive queries and give all of those the "Expensive Queries" bucket, regardless of source. So ordinary article views, which hopefully are cheap?, would go via a bigger "Cheap Queries" bucket.
21:52:28 <korvo> fizzie: Oh! "congestion" and "big pages" made me think of bufferbloat. Vampires, stairs, protected, etc. Recent Linux has improved a lot; if you have at least Linux 5.x, consider these sysctls: https://bpa.st/ZVVA
21:55:54 <korvo> I run these at home, in the cloud, pretty much everywhere I run NixOS. Wouldn't recommend something like this if I didn't already use it.
21:59:18 <korvo> FreeFull: Oh, in case you haven't admined MediaWiki before, Lucky 10000: MW is *not* a lightweight service. Its footprint is legendary. We are fortunate that the DB is fast and that there's only a few Web frontends; if we had lots of frontends then we'd have lots of DB traffic.
21:59:42 <FreeFull> I haven't admined mediawiki, but yeah, I heard some pages are quite heavy
22:00:05 <FreeFull> The other people who complain about load are those running git web frontends
22:00:15 <FreeFull> But this is definitely impacting everyone
22:00:26 <fizzie> I sort of suspect the bottleneck is between the web server and PHP (in terms of actual network bandwidth it's not that much traffic), but I guess I might as well.
22:00:49 <fizzie> I had to turn the HackEso Mercurial web frontend just plain off for similar reasons.
22:00:52 <FreeFull> All to do what, train another crappy LLM?
22:01:31 <fizzie> That's the general assumption I guess, hard to think of any other reason for all this.
22:03:54 <fizzie> Here's the charts after adding more pages to the login-or-verification-required list: https://zem.fi/tmp/traffic2.png
22:04:07 <fizzie> So they certainly haven't let up, pretty much the opposite (I guess due to more requests being fast 403s).
22:04:32 <fizzie> I wonder if an artificial delay on the 403 page would actually lower the incoming request rate then.
22:14:13 <korvo> Yesss. Give in to the daaahk siiide. *evil chuckle*
22:23:18 <FreeFull> I wonder what would happen if you just close the connection instead of serving anything
22:28:06 <korvo> Either a retry from the same IP, or retry from another IP, depending on spider configuration, up to some timeout which apparently is configured in fucking hours for these dorks.
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22:30:05 <korvo> BTW "dorking" is the technical term for making these sorts of autogenerated queries meant to probe deep into a website's data. Very funny coincidence, or good explainer for the origin of the name? You decide.
22:31:46 <korvo> Has anybody else, this entire time, had intrusive thoughts like "wow, I really hope I didn't acidentally configure a cronjob on the machine in the garage to curl esolangs wiki incessantly for hours at a time"?
22:39:34 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * NuclearPasta * New user account
22:40:33 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187927&oldid=183837 * Miui * (+103) /* Mathematics */
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22:42:28 <b_jonas> korvo: no, I'm more careful about that sort of thing this time and my scripts would give up after a bunch of failures. back when I was young I made a script to automatically explore in the web-based game, and left it running every day from an atjob, then a few years later I found that the new maintainers of the game have decided that using bots is not allowed and banned my user, but the script didn't
22:42:34 <b_jonas> have adequate safeguards to stop running so it was still trying to submit moves in the game every day
22:42:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187928&oldid=187865 * NuclearPasta * (+188) /* Introductions */
22:43:51 <korvo> Oh wow, that much have been stressful. Those games really do invite a lot of abuse with their refresh-heavy schemes.
22:45:59 <b_jonas> to be clear the script didn't get me anything useful in the game. it explored the map in a spiral pattern with a ship, the map has an island on every point of a square grid, but islands that are unused just get deleted and a new random island regenerated in its place after a while so the exploration didn't even get me any useful information other than perhaps some player-controlled islands which weren't
22:46:05 <b_jonas> useful to me in the early game.
22:46:33 <b_jonas> what I learned from this is a bit of how to debug programs, and how HTTP works.
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00:02:04 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187929&oldid=187927 * Hakerh400 * (+1) That thing seems to be about general mathematics, not specifically about theorem provers
00:16:56 <esolangs> [[User:CodePentuplets48]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187930&oldid=184664 * CodePentuplets48 * (+47)
00:18:29 <esolangs> [[User talk:CodePentuplets48]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187931&oldid=183673 * CodePentuplets48 * (+27) /* Stop vandalizing talk pages by deleting or altering other peoples' comments mid-conversation */
00:20:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:CodePentuplets48]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187932&oldid=187931 * CodePentuplets48 * (+166) /* The answer to the First Post thread */ new section
00:21:15 <esolangs> [[BoxedLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187933&oldid=187361 * Mc20000 * (-166) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/187361|187361]] by [[Special:Contributions/Mc20000|Mc20000]] ([[User talk:Mc20000|talk]])
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00:26:34 <esolangs> [[BrainFlash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187934&oldid=183675 * CodePentuplets48 * (+15)
00:26:54 <esolangs> [[BrainFlash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187935&oldid=187934 * CodePentuplets48 * (+1)
00:34:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * MareSerenitatis12 * New user account
00:35:40 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187936&oldid=187928 * MareSerenitatis12 * (+435) /* Introductions */
00:35:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:CodePentuplets48]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187937&oldid=187932 * CodePentuplets48 * (+214)
00:38:37 <esolangs> [[TardiSHA]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187938 * MareSerenitatis12 * (+15265) Created page with "=TardiSHA= '''TardiSHA''' is a deterministic structured-content seal, source engine, and constructed computational language created by [[Magus Jamye Reficul Ahnend]]. The name expands to '''Time and Relative Dimension in Space Hash'''. TardiSHA is the fir
00:40:39 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187939&oldid=187908 * MareSerenitatis12 * (+15) /* T */
00:42:21 <esolangs> [[TardiSHA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187940&oldid=187938 * MareSerenitatis12 * (+25) /* External links */
00:42:42 <esolangs> [[TardiSHA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187941&oldid=187940 * MareSerenitatis12 * (-23) /* External links */
00:43:29 <esolangs> [[TardiSHA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187942&oldid=187941 * MareSerenitatis12 * (+89) /* External links */
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01:07:34 <esolangs> [[Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187943&oldid=185426 * Timwi * (+127) New string function
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01:26:00 <esolangs> [[Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187944&oldid=187943 * Aadenboy * (+48) /* Strings */ add a mention of [[arbitrary memory emulation]]. not sure how to shoehorn the link in here so it's just after the first paragraph
01:29:09 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187945&oldid=174011 * Aadenboy * (+10184) I wonder if pages are still added to the math parser fail category with the change to the <math> tag?
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03:14:55 <esolangs> [[Plea]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187946&oldid=177326 * UnavgAustralian * (+77)
03:29:15 <esolangs> [[ASCIIgibberish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187947&oldid=187831 * Cordership * (+26) /* Syntax */
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03:37:18 <xat_huya> does the stack has to be integer or can it be an array
03:40:38 <somefan> by convention, it is an array
03:41:14 <somefan> but you can simulate a stack using an integer data type
03:43:59 <somefan> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Arbitrary_memory_emulation
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04:01:17 <esolangs> [[CLEAR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187948&oldid=187724 * Representativeofpeace * (+129)
04:13:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:Chain]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187949 * Representativeofpeace * (+359) Created page with "i will adopt this great idea thanks ~~~~ expect to see syntax soon although it wont perfectly match the original idea~~~~"
04:43:30 <esolangs> [[Nilad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187950&oldid=187915 * None1 * (+122) /* Examples */
04:44:44 <esolangs> [[Nilad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187951&oldid=187950 * None1 * (+996)
04:45:25 <esolangs> [[Minimalized Nilad]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187952 * None1 * (+37) Redirected page to [[Nilad#Minimalized Nilad]]
04:59:31 <esolangs> [[Nilad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187953&oldid=187951 * I am islptng * (+316)
05:13:28 <esolangs> [[TardiSHA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187954&oldid=187942 * Corbin * (-175) Tag slop, fix categories, remove copyright notice. You got lucky: chatbots aren't authors, so this isn't actually copyrighted text.
05:16:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Chain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187955&oldid=187949 * Corbin * (+201) See also.
05:23:56 <esolangs> [[Talk:Adofaiscript]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187956 * Representativeofpeace * (+199) Created page with "i love adofai cool project take some graphical and word support for your mind~~~~"
05:29:45 <esolangs> [[Monoid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187957&oldid=183667 * Corbin * (+47) /* Free monoids */ Give a special case for zero, in case it wasn't clear. Notating the empty word as ''i'' instead of [] in this section; I don't have strong feelings either way.
05:39:04 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187958 * B jonas * (+23570) Created page with "'''Ur-time''' is an esoteric timestamp representation format. An Ur-time string represents and UTC timestamp, or civil time in the UTC timezone in before atomic clocks. There are no bounds for the timestamp that Ur-time can represent, but the strings are variable l
06:35:48 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187959&oldid=187958 * B jonas * (-4)
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07:50:07 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187962&oldid=187961 * Cordership * (+7) /* "Welcome" text in the istplng archive */
07:51:53 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187963&oldid=187962 * Cordership * (+32) /* "Welcome" text in the istplng archive */
07:57:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187964&oldid=187749 * Cordership * (+122) /* more beer pls */ new section
07:57:36 <esolangs> [[User talk:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187965&oldid=187964 * Cordership * (+225) /* more beer pls */ new section
07:58:20 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187966&oldid=187848 * Cordership * (+7)
08:00:03 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187967&oldid=187963 * Cordership * (+53) /* Syntax */
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08:22:32 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187969&oldid=187968 * Cordership * (+42) /* Euler-Mascheroni constant to desired precision */
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08:45:41 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187971&oldid=187970 * Cordership * (+353) /* Syntax */
08:52:29 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187972&oldid=187971 * Cordership * (-113) /* Syntax */
08:53:32 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187973&oldid=187972 * Cordership * (+23) /* Categories */
08:53:51 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187974&oldid=187973 * Cordership * (+11) /* Syntax */
08:59:03 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187975&oldid=187974 * Cordership * (+130) /* Syntax */
09:00:42 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187976&oldid=187975 * Cordership * (+61) /* Syntax */
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09:22:56 <esolangs> [[AddSubJump]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187977 * PKMN Trainer * (+1139) Created page with "AddSubJump (abbreviated to ASJ) is a [[OISC]] language invented by [[User:PKMN Trainer]]. It was inspired by [[FlipJump]]. == Overview == Due to ASJ being the only instruction in this language, it can be implied. ASJ has 4 operands: ASJ a b c d and does the fo
09:23:03 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187978&oldid=187976 * Cordership * (+57)
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09:37:05 <b_jonas> how off-topic is https://esolangs.org/wiki/Ur-time for the wiki?
09:41:33 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187980&oldid=187979 * B jonas * (+3) add accidentally deleted characters from row for 1869-12-12
09:47:04 <esolangs> [[DCL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187981 * Representativeofpeace * (+1117) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=dimensional chain |paradigms=im not so sure myself |author=[[User:Representativeofpeace]] |year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] |memsys=pointer/ dimension based/variables included |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|turing complete]] }} dimens
09:47:08 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187982&oldid=187980 * B jonas * (+292) rationale for the character set
09:52:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187983&oldid=187922 * Blashyrkh * (+415) /* The bird S' */ Converse iota is complete
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10:00:50 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187984&oldid=187978 * Cordership * (+126) /* Syntax */
10:09:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187985&oldid=187983 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+124) /* The bird S' */
10:41:02 <somefan> i'm not sure, but i find the concept interesting
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11:23:41 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187986&oldid=187982 * B jonas * (+1483) examples for URLs parsed wrong
11:37:07 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187987&oldid=187986 * B jonas * (+319) reorder and add headings
11:40:00 <b_jonas> does someone happen to know a datetime library that can handle year numbers at least 11 digits long, ideally 14 digits long, and ideally can handle fractional seconds to nanosecond precision? I'm thinking of adding example code to encode or decode Ur-time to the wiki page, but most libraries that can represent datetimes don't have enough range
11:42:59 <b_jonas> the limited range does make some sense by the way, because a common use of datetime libraries is formatting or parsing ISO 8601 date strings, but those formats break and can become ambiguous for far past or far future years
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11:45:45 <b_jonas> if there's no such library then I'll just write two versions of the functions, one that uses a limited range datetime library and fails for far past or far future years, and one that inputs/outputs a custom broken down time structure with a larger range
11:47:21 <b_jonas> also now I'm on a tight deadline, I have only three and a half years to make a webpage that uses this date format in its urls.
11:48:12 <b_jonas> well, technically I could make a webpage later if it shows data created earlier
11:55:15 <b_jonas> btw as for dates, we still need a new password of the month
11:58:40 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187988&oldid=187987 * B jonas * (+163) more headings
12:02:09 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187989&oldid=187988 * B jonas * (+13)
12:03:27 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187990&oldid=187989 * Blashyrkh * (+120) See also: discordian calendar
12:16:49 <esolangs> [[2024]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187991&oldid=167032 * CodePentuplets48 * (+0)
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13:09:41 <fizzie> `learn The password of the month must be at most 7 characters long, must contain only one type of character (uppercase letter, lowercase letter, number, symbol), must be a common dictionary word, and must not be changed more frequently than once a month.
13:09:50 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month must be at most 7 characters long, must contain only one type of character (uppercase letter, lowercase letter, number, symbol), must be a common dictionary word, and must not be changed more frequently than once a month.
13:14:14 <esolangs> [[User:Hakerh400/Angel problem]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=187992 * Hakerh400 * (+14766) Created page with "__NOTOC__ In this article we discuss the formalization of The Angel Problem and its proof. == Definition of the problem == The Angel Problem is about the Angel Game proposed by John Horton Conway. The Angel Game is played two players on an infi
13:16:33 <esolangs> [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=187993&oldid=187049 * Hakerh400 * (+80)
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13:44:43 <samuel_> i will try make a golf esolang, i will make an stack that is multiple elements since c is the only language i know and love
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15:24:11 <fizzie> Bah. The new, faster rate of crawling is also making the system run out of disk space, mostly because of logs.
15:24:16 <fizzie> I had it set up as "rotate daily, keep up to 14 days, compress all but the current and previous file", but now even the yesterday + partial today uncompressed logfiles are ~4 GiB in size.
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15:37:23 <fizzie> Oh well. Reconfigured it to rotate up to hourly whenever the size exceeds 100M, and keep less files, hopefully that'll keep it small enough. It all gets ingested into a Loki instance (running on a Real Computer™) within minutes anyway, so these on-system log files are kind of unnecessary.
15:37:49 <fizzie> Also found a gigabyte or so of old unused UML kernel sources for HackEso, so it wasn't a _total_ waste of time.
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16:36:54 <b_jonas> fizzie: is it possible to log only a fraction of the requests instead, so that you have a random sample of requests from 14 days?
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17:20:19 <esolangs> [[Try it online]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188016 * B jonas * (+213) Created page with "[https://tio.run/ '''Try It Online''', also known as '''TIO'''], is a web-based interpreter for over 666 programming languages, including hundreds of esoteric programming languages. [[Category:Implementations]]"
17:24:44 <fizzie> Probably, somehow. There's an `if` condition for the nginx access_log directive, and I could use either some suitably "random" condition (e.g., last digits of the millisecond timestamp) or the Lua support for actual (pseudo)random sampling.
17:24:47 <fizzie> I could also keep the normal request logging for everything else, and use the sampled-down logging specifically for the rejected requests.
17:28:07 <fizzie> I do wish they'd just stop, though, they're getting exactly the same 403 page for 99% of the requests so it's not like whoever's driving this thing is even getting any (new) human-produced data out of this whole exercise.
17:30:56 <esolangs> [[AddSubJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188017&oldid=187977 * PKMN Trainer * (+2065)
17:32:22 <esolangs> [[TIO]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188018 * B jonas * (+27) Redirected page to [[Try it online]]
17:34:11 <b_jonas> fizzie: just to make sure, that 403 page is not like the Irregular Webcomics Draakslair forum, where even requests rejected when the server is overloaded still shows a webpage header of the forum that has to dynamically look up how many unread threads the logged in user has so the server still has to do lots of work for those requests, right?
17:35:41 <fizzie> No, it's fixed content and served from nginx rather than calling into PHP.
17:37:01 <fizzie> Right now it's served by nginx's Lua script module because I added in that experimental 2-second delay (which seems to have made no difference whatsoever to the crawling rate), but it's still very cheap compared to anything MediaWiki does.
17:37:54 <esolangs> [[Anarchy golf]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188019 * B jonas * (+275) Created page with "[http://golf.shinh.org/ '''Anarchy golf''', also known as '''Anagolf'''], is a programming golf contest website that can automatically run submitted programs in over a hundred programming languages, including many esoteric programming languages. [[Category:Implemen
17:39:00 <fizzie> Also while 1x 100% utilized CPU and 4/5.5 Mbps (in/out) of network traffic is _probably_ still negligible to the hosting company that's sponsoring the wiki, I felt a lot more confident about it when it was more like 15-20% CPU and 100/500 kbps of bandwidth.
17:39:21 <fizzie> I wonder if we actually have some set ingress/egress transfer limits set, actually. Maybe.
17:39:59 <esolangs> [[Anagolf]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188020 * B jonas * (+26) Redirected page to [[Anarchy golf]]
17:45:20 <esolangs> [[User:Enny/ENNCPU]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188021&oldid=188015 * Enny * (+660) /* Hacks and Tricks */
17:46:13 <b_jonas> yeah, it would be nice if there was some different response that made them slow down, like a different HTTP error code, or even just disconnecting the server from the network for half of each day for two months, but it doesn't sound very likely.
17:46:56 <b_jonas> the server is already sometimes giving different responses when it's very overloaded
17:47:39 <fizzie> From the dashboard, looks like it's set at 5 TB per... month, probably. Which means roughly a 15 Mbps sustained transfer rate, so at least we're still comfortably below that.
17:51:48 <fizzie> The provider's traffic usage chart covers a longer timespan than my own: https://zem.fi/tmp/iomart-traffic.png
17:54:09 <b_jonas> sure, keeping just some numeric statistics for a longer time than the logs that log every request makes sense
18:09:59 <fizzie> Definitely, but I also have only 14 days of retention for my own numeric (Prometheus) metrics, for no particular reason.
18:10:53 <fizzie> I have a vague recollection that Prometheus' default local on-disk TSDB can have only one global rentetion setting, instead of doing the thing where you have short retention for the "raw" full-resolution (one sample per scrape) data, but longer retention for precomputed (possibly downsampled) derived time series.
18:16:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188022&oldid=188012 * Blashyrkh * (+458) /* The bird S' */ Proof that replacement S --> S' not always produces complete basis
18:18:07 <b_jonas> fizzie: the statistics are cheap to save because the Linux kernel already has per network interface counters that you can query with (ip -s link)
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19:56:31 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188027&oldid=188013 * B jonas * (-58) remove silly leap second condition
19:57:32 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188028&oldid=188027 * B jonas * (+0)
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20:53:11 <esolangs> [[UltraLaminar]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188031&oldid=188029 * CodePentuplets48 * (+31) /* Tiles */
20:54:03 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188032&oldid=187939 * CodePentuplets48 * (+19) /* U */
20:59:27 <esolangs> [[Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188033&oldid=187376 * Bobby Jacobs * (+0) * means to add a variable in front, but ' means to switch x and y. Therefore, D=B*, but Q=B'.
21:01:51 <esolangs> [[Lazy K]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188034&oldid=161636 * Bobby Jacobs * (+14) /* See also */
21:12:58 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188035&oldid=173550 * PKMN Trainer * (+118) /* ACRONYM */
21:13:06 <esolangs> [[AddSubJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188036&oldid=188017 * PKMN Trainer * (+1) /* Hello, world! */
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21:38:42 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-S)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188038&oldid=173829 * PKMN Trainer * (+274) /* NULL-NONE NOTHING (NULL-NONE-BF version) */
21:43:49 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-S)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188039&oldid=188038 * PKMN Trainer * (+13) /* NO WAY? NO WAY! */
21:45:35 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (D-G)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188040&oldid=181724 * PKMN Trainer * (+89) /* Funciton */
21:52:47 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (H-M)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188041&oldid=182686 * PKMN Trainer * (+260) /* M-code */
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23:37:00 <esolangs> [[Jezik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188043&oldid=187130 * Zopium * (+12)
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23:51:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:Tableaux]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188044 * AlephSquirrel * (+345) Created page with "==Computational power?== It has already been demonstrated that the language is uncomputable, however this doesn't say whether it's equivalent to a Turing machine with a halting oracle, or something more powerful. I was wondering if this is known. ~~~~"
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00:21:38 <korvo> Ur-time looks fun.
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01:19:59 <b_jonas> korvo: thank you. but I'd still like to know whether it's on topic enough for the esowiki.
01:21:03 <korvo> Oh, for sure. I'm kind of surprised that there's no page on ddate and Discordian norms; it's esoteric and it's definitely useful when you want to chop the year up into fifths.
01:24:03 <b_jonas> also I can use the set of 64 characters standalone to base-64 encode arbitrary binary data that need not be dates, and now I have a convenient way to refer to that character set to distinguish it from other base64/uuencode character sets, I can just call it Ur64
01:24:31 <b_jonas> that encoding still works in URLs for the same reason
01:34:11 <zzo38> I preferred the base64 variant in sixel for general use, although it would not be applicable to everything because different uses need a different subset of characters.
01:38:53 <zzo38> (Foxxil also has its own base64 set for storing differences of files. Also, the standard base64 set is a subset of the Printable character set, although this would seem unlikely to be of much significance.)
01:42:10 <zzo38> Also, the Ur-time format could be used with some URLs other than HTTP as well.
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02:15:15 <zzo38> What kind of transformations can be done to indexed colour pictures (without knowing what colours the index numbers correspond to) to make them compress better with huffed LZ77?
02:19:23 <b_jonas> zzo38: I think PNG can just do the same six or so transformations that it does on true color images, treating the indexes as integers modulo 256.
02:28:37 <zzo38> Yes, although I think those transformations are not meant for indexed colours and work better for true colours than indexed (although even for true colours, there are better ways)
02:51:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Frodothecat * New user account
03:21:14 <esolangs> [[Ur-time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188045&oldid=188028 * B jonas * (+117)
04:14:14 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188046&oldid=188009 * Frodothecat * (+298) /* Introductions */
04:14:48 <esolangs> [[Matrixlang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188047 * Frodothecat * (+4645) Creating MatrixLang
04:48:29 <esolangs> [[User:PKMN Trainer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188048&oldid=187223 * PKMN Trainer * (+16)
04:49:57 <esolangs> [[User made]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188049&oldid=187230 * PKMN Trainer * (+17)
06:00:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188050&oldid=188022 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+195) /* The bird S' */
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06:50:11 <esolangs> [[User:Zeno]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188052&oldid=124254 * Zeno * (-261)
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06:57:32 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Zeno * uploaded "[[File:Truth Machine Scratch 3.0 Minimal.png]]"
06:59:27 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188054&oldid=186806 * Zeno * (+84)
06:59:54 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188055&oldid=188054 * Zeno * (+8)
07:00:28 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188056&oldid=188055 * Zeno * (+23)
07:01:45 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188057&oldid=188056 * Zeno * (+2) wrong header nestation fix
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07:06:52 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Zeno * uploaded "[[File:Truth Machine Redstone.png]]"
07:07:46 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188059&oldid=188057 * Zeno * (+56)
07:11:13 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Zeno * moved [[Minecraft]] to [[Minecraft (Yoyolin0409)]]
07:11:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Zeno * moved [[Redstone]] to [[Minecraft (Game)]]: redstone is more of a language feature than a language itself (in the latter case minecraft would fit better)
07:11:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Zeno * moved [[Talk:Redstone]] to [[Talk:Minecraft (Game)]]: redstone is more of a language feature than a language itself (in the latter case minecraft would fit better)
07:13:22 <esolangs> [[Minecraft (Game)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188066&oldid=188062 * Zeno * (+176)
07:14:09 <esolangs> [[Minecraft (Game)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188067&oldid=188066 * Zeno * (+82)
07:15:32 <esolangs> [[Minecraft (Game)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188068&oldid=188067 * Zeno * (+135)
07:16:51 <esolangs> [[Minecraft (Game)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188069&oldid=188068 * Zeno * (+1)
07:26:41 <esolangs> [[Minecraft (Game)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188070&oldid=188069 * Zeno * (+274) i could be wrong on this
07:26:53 <esolangs> [[Minecraft (Game)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188071&oldid=188070 * Zeno * (+1) wrong section
07:29:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Zeno * moved [[Minecraft (Game)]] to [[Minecraft (game)]]
07:29:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Zeno * moved [[Talk:Minecraft (Game)]] to [[Talk:Minecraft (game)]]
07:34:46 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188076&oldid=188059 * Zeno * (+8) move this heading because i moved Redstone to Minecraft (game)
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07:47:13 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188078&oldid=188076 * Ractangle * (-46) /* 'interbasic */
08:19:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188079&oldid=188050 * Blashyrkh * (+277) /* The bird S' */
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09:08:22 <esolangs> [[User:Zeno/test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188081&oldid=188080 * Zeno * (+0)
09:08:34 <esolangs> [[User:Zeno/test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188082&oldid=188081 * Zeno * (-1)
09:08:43 <esolangs> [[User:Zeno/test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188083&oldid=188082 * Zeno * (+0)
09:10:55 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188084&oldid=188078 * Zeno * (+143) add mediawiki
09:26:45 <esolangs> [[User:Zeno/beer]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188085 * Zeno * (+19) Created page with "{{subst:Zeno/test}}"
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09:34:13 <esolangs> [[Crazy J]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188086&oldid=188033 * Blashyrkh * (+1) /* Church numerals */ Fix closing tag
09:35:01 <esolangs> [[Crazy J]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188087&oldid=188086 * Blashyrkh * (+1) /* Church numerals */ Fix closing tag (again)
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09:39:14 <esolangs> [[User:Zeno/beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188088&oldid=188085 * Zeno * (+2810)
09:40:51 <esolangs> [[User:Zeno/beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188089&oldid=188088 * Zeno * (+89)
09:42:17 <esolangs> [[99 bottles of beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188090&oldid=187900 * Zeno * (+2996) couldnt find a better way without multiple templates
09:46:56 <esolangs> [[99 bottles of beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188091&oldid=188090 * Zeno * (+69) fix formatting
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10:23:16 <esolangs> [[Nilad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188093&oldid=187953 * None1 * (-2) /* Minimalizations */
10:23:36 <esolangs> [[Nilad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188094&oldid=188093 * None1 * (+17) /* Minimalizations */
10:42:43 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188095&oldid=187984 * Cordership * (-336) /* Looping Turing machine example */
10:43:05 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188096&oldid=188095 * Cordership * (-129) /* Syntax */
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11:27:35 <esolangs> [[Pocket]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188098&oldid=182252 * 10 * (+104)
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11:31:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pocket]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188099 * Blashyrkh * (+340) Created page with "<blockquote> for whoever deleted this whole page, i hope you burn in hell it took me 2 weeks to think of this syntax. </blockquote> According to the page history, you did it yourself. If you did it unintentionally, why don't just revert the blanking? --~~~~"
11:31:45 <esolangs> [[User talk:10]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188100 * 10 * (+199) Created page with "'''Pocket''' took me 2 weeks to think about its syntax. someone deleted it but the Syntax already sucked anyway, '''1-Bin''' was Edited by some people making it clearer. thank you all for who helped."
11:35:58 <esolangs> [[1-Bin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188101&oldid=188097 * Blashyrkh * (-6) Fix year category
11:41:03 <esolangs> [[1-Bin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188102&oldid=188101 * 10 * (-270)
11:50:20 <esolangs> [[Brainbitch]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188103 * 10 * (+21900) Created page with "'''BRAINBITCH''' is a two-dimensional, toroidal esoteric programming language designed by [[User:Anonymous]] in 2026. It extends [[Brainfuck]] with spatial execution, multiple instruction pointers, stack operations, self-modifying capabilities, and a deliberately hostile
11:54:39 <esolangs> [[2D languages]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188104 * 10 * (+23) Created page with "2D languages Document::"
11:54:55 <esolangs> [[2D languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188105&oldid=188104 * 10 * (-23) Blanked the page
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13:59:36 <esolangs> [[SIMP]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188109 * Miui * (+409) Created page with "{{WIP}} '''SIMP''' or Stratagus intrusction-map pointer is an esoteric programming language in which programs are stratagu maps. ==example= no-op <pre> -- Stratagus Map Presentation -- File generated by the Stratagus V2.4.0 builtin map editor. -- File licensed under the GNU
14:09:58 <esolangs> [[AddSubJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188110&oldid=188036 * PKMN Trainer * (+541)
14:20:38 <esolangs> [[Jezik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188111&oldid=188043 * Zopium * (+12)
14:23:49 <esolangs> [[Burn in Hell]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188112 * Miui * (+995) Created page with "{{stubnoinfo}} '''Burn in Hell''' is an esoteric programming language written by [[User:Miui]] in Hell. Unfortunately, the Devil is in the detail but the language is be reverse-engineerable from the following program (the only one ever written, which has minimal commen
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14:36:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn in Hell]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188113 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+150) Created page with "Ive seen these numbers once before --~~~~"
14:38:10 <esolangs> [[2-packets]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188114 * Miui * (+573) Created page with "'''2-packets''' is an lower-level esoteric programming language which relies on the presence of advanced persistent threats in order to do computations on the other side of a firewall! Generally, there is no firewall which exists that can prevent the penetration of ''at
14:40:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn in Hell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188115&oldid=188113 * Miui * (+162)
14:40:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pocket]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188116&oldid=188099 * Blashyrkh * (-340) Not needed anymore
14:53:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn in Hell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188117&oldid=188115 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+174)
14:55:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn in Hell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188118&oldid=188117 * Miui * (+4504)
14:56:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn in Hell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188119&oldid=188118 * Miui * (-10) correcting my assumptions
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15:26:53 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188122 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+354) Created page with "{{lowercase}} {{infobox proglang |name=robots.txt |paradigms= |author=[[User:Yayimhere]],[[User:Dragoneater67]] |year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] |memsys=[[:Category:Tree-based|tree-based]] |class=[[:Category:Unknown computational class|Unkn
15:38:10 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188123 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+124) Created page with "yay ^V^ --~~~~"
15:47:58 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188124&oldid=188122 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+294)
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16:17:49 <esolangs> [[TetraBit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188127&oldid=188126 * CodePentuplets48 * (+17) /* Its variant: 4BI English */
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17:59:27 <esolangs> [[Ti!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188139&oldid=188136 * Ractangle * (-586) Replaced content with "{{Delete|unessesary page}}"
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18:05:31 <esolangs> [[Tryit.org]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188141&oldid=188138 * Ractangle * (+21) /* Langauges */
18:09:18 <esolangs> [[Tryit.org]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188142&oldid=188141 * Ractangle * (-29) /* Langauges */
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18:22:32 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188144&oldid=188129 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+75) HELP ME
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18:57:01 <int-e> fungot: have a snack
18:57:01 <fungot> int-e: can conjure be understood and used straightforwardly by anyone but marc, yome?)
18:57:18 <HackEso> 1/1:1042) <Sgeo> People are up in arms about Dilbert \ 260) [After a long monologue] <oklopol> i think i have to escape this heated discussion before it becomes a flamewar
19:01:32 <fizzie> fungot: Rejoice! The 100+qps scraping is over (for now). It ended at (exactly) 4am this morning, and then briefly resumed for the interval between 5pm-7pm today. Let's hope it stays this way, eh?
19:01:32 <fungot> fizzie: substitute for gtk.
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19:33:23 <b_jonas> fungot, do you think an esoteric way to serialize a timestamp counts as on topic for the esowiki?
19:33:23 <fungot> b_jonas: destroys data? fnord! doesn't quite mean that, and that pretty much describes the implementation.
19:33:38 <b_jonas> it doesn't *destroy data*.
19:34:24 <int-e> it could; you didn't promise successful deserialization
19:35:07 <int-e> (related wisdom: nobody wants backup, everyone wants restore)
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00:47:10 <korvo> fungot: Destroy data? (y/n)
00:47:11 <fungot> korvo: that doesn't prevent cl from being a bimbo
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11:40:26 <esolangs> [[PhantomPL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188151 * PrySigneToFry * (+36313) Created page with "PhantomPL is designed by PSTF. = Overview = PhantomPL, as a practical programming language, is mostly used for data science and backend development. Because it is used for data science, it is mostly inspired from [[Python]]. = Volume 1: Basic Syntax = == Cha
11:41:59 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188152&oldid=188150 * PrySigneToFry * (+16)
11:54:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188153&oldid=187751 * PrySigneToFry * (+317) /* Lingua Indeterminatum */ new section
12:54:49 <esolangs> [[Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188154&oldid=187944 * Timwi * (+50) Good call about the [[arbitrary memory emulation]] but it applies to arbitrary-size integers in general, not just Funcitons string encoding, so Ill move it up to the Features section
12:55:02 <esolangs> [[Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188155&oldid=188154 * Timwi * (+110) Add link to my Advent of Code 2024 solutions in Funciton
12:58:46 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188156&oldid=188153 * I am islptng * (+205) /* Lingua Indeterminatum */
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13:47:55 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188158&oldid=188157 * None1 * (-2) test not debug
13:50:11 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188159&oldid=188158 * None1 * (+4)
13:54:34 <esolangs> [[Branjunk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188160&oldid=188025 * None1 * (+2) /* See also */ Fix typo
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15:23:07 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188170&oldid=188167 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+218) /* the esolang is probably incomplete */
15:25:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188171&oldid=188170 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+410) /* the esolang is probably incomplete */
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15:46:28 <esolangs> [[SIMP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188173&oldid=188109 * Miui * (+162)
15:51:11 <esolangs> [[2-packets]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188174&oldid=188114 * Miui * (+194) preface it a theoretical, add categories
15:52:36 <esolangs> [[2-packets]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188175&oldid=188174 * Miui * (-30) fix cats
16:24:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:PhantomPL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188176 * Corbin * (+151) Created page with "Why describe this as a practical language which is used for data science? ~~~~"
16:26:15 <esolangs> [[Arbitrary memory emulation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188177&oldid=182109 * Aadenboy * (+30)
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16:30:47 <esolangs> [[Arbitrary memory emulation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188178&oldid=188177 * Aadenboy * (-227) it would be misleading to label Funciton's arrays as PFM-aAME
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17:47:44 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188181&oldid=187695 * Hotcrystal0 * (+59) /* P9+ */
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18:21:27 <esolangs> [[Wheat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188183&oldid=33891 * Deepfriedice * (+280) Add another interpreter.
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19:38:46 <esolangs> [[User:ViktorChampion]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188185 * ViktorChampion * (+8502) Created page with "'''ArrowPrint''' is an esoteric programming language created in 2024. It is inspired by two-dimensional languages such as [[Befunge]], combining stack-based logic, non-linear execution, and minimalist syntax. The language is often described as "Befung
19:40:28 <esolangs> [[User:ViktorChampion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188186&oldid=188185 * ViktorChampion * (+0)
19:42:59 <esolangs> [[ArrowPrint]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188187 * ViktorChampion * (+8502) Created page with "'''ArrowPrint''' is an esoteric programming language created in 2026. It is inspired by two-dimensional languages such as [[Befunge]], combining stack-based logic, non-linear execution, and minimalist syntax. The language is often described as "Befunge for tho
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21:20:35 <esolangs> [[ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188188&oldid=188187 * Aadenboy * (+84) cats; tag slop (this is the most ostensibly AI-generated article thus far I feel)
21:22:29 <esolangs> [[ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188189&oldid=188188 * Aadenboy * (+42) other formatting; fix cat
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22:00:18 <aadenboy> "this is the most ostensibly" whoops, meant "obviously"
22:11:10 <fizzie> Aw, the GitHub link is a 404.
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05:18:13 <esolangs> [[Nothing Of-course, Timeless Hitchhikes In New Gardens]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188194&oldid=175352 * Win7HE * (+33) /* C */
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05:31:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:PhantomPL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188197&oldid=188176 * PrySigneToFry * (+612)
05:33:10 <esolangs> [[G]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188198 * PrySigneToFry * (+21) Redirected page to [[G Sharp]]
05:35:25 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188199&oldid=175978 * PrySigneToFry * (+241) /* */ new section
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05:43:14 <ais523> wow, I could figure out that ArrowPrint was AI-generated just from the cut-off fragment in the edit summary
05:44:26 <ais523> I'm still not sure whether I'm supposed to delete pages like that or not
05:45:32 <ais523> (not directly because of the AI-generatedness, but due to the odds that the language doesn't actually exist and the page is a hoax page that's factually incorrect)
05:45:39 <korvo> I think we're slowly edging towards consensus. Or at least towards human consensus.
05:46:06 <korvo> Ah. Yeah, it seems aspirational at best.
05:47:03 <ais523> there are some ideas here I haven't seen before, e.g. the conditional syntax
05:47:21 <ais523> it's reminiscent of Haskell except in a 2D stack-based language
05:48:32 <ais523> at least the description needs serious rewriting, some of it is in the wrong style and much of it is hallucinated
05:49:57 <ais523> (I'm still not sure whether an implementation actually exists just with broken links, or whether the AI has tried to convincingly claim one exists when in fact there isn't one)
05:51:28 <ais523> sadly the examples aren't enough to clarify the spec for what "skip to next line" does
05:52:10 <ais523> I guess it moves to the next cell in the y direction, otherwise the fizzbuzz's termination condition wouldn't work, but it's unclear which direction the pointer would be moving in after that
05:53:11 <ais523> contrary to the tagline, the examples at least are much less of a journey than the typical 2D language, they're primarily moving right, and moving down most of the time they aren't moving right
05:54:54 <ais523> something like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Cubix is a lot more flexible (with "go this direction" arrows, mirrors, IP rotations, sidesteps *and* U-turns; having far too many ways to change the IP direction makes it more interesting to golf as you can usually overlap a lot of codepaths at a single point)
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06:10:35 <b_jonas> is this the one you're talking about? https://esolangs.org/wiki/ArrowPrint
06:12:43 <b_jonas> yeah, it has "skip to next line" and a broken link to a github repository, so probably
06:16:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Lingua Indeterminatum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188200&oldid=188196 * PrySigneToFry * (+273)
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06:18:30 <b_jonas> the doc on the wiki page does seem underspecified, it's not clear how "push element at index n to top" works, including whether this is for reaching deep into the stack or for manipulating array objects, and what kind of syntax you can put to the n placeholder, and there are no examples. later it claims "supports … arbitrary stack manipulation" but it's hard to tell if that's true because of this
06:18:53 <esolangs> [[Nothing Of-course, Timeless Hitchhikes In New Gardens]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188201&oldid=188194 * PrySigneToFry * (+270)
06:20:13 <b_jonas> meanwhile, why do we have https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Generated_by_AI ? that seems counterproductive
06:20:53 <b_jonas> could we just strike that category down please?
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06:29:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:ArrowPrint]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188202 * B jonas * (+608) Created page with "== Indexing == Can you please explain how the commands listed under Indexing and slices work? Does this copy elements from deeper in the stack to the top? Or does it instead manipulate array objects? And what syntax does the n placeholder have. Do you have any
06:30:50 <esolangs> [[Talk:ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188203&oldid=188202 * B jonas * (+134)
06:48:48 <b_jonas> the Fizzbuzz example has the control flow going like for (0..99) { if ($_%3 && $_%5) { print } else { if ($_%3) { print "Fizz" } if ($_%5) { print "Buzz" } } print "\n"; } . It took me a while to understand why it works despite the apparently redundant branches. Do people really write FizzBuzz this way?
06:56:01 <b_jonas> I guess it is plausible to use four comparisons instead of just three, I'd just never considered it
07:08:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ractangle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188204&oldid=188199 * Ractangle * (+337) /* */
07:10:27 <ais523> b_jonas: people sometimes do write it like that but it is extremely weird to write it like that in a 2D language
07:11:04 <ais523> when you have the ability to just draw the flowchart line to the right plcace
07:11:19 <ais523> there are approaches with two comparisons too, and with zero comparisons
07:11:40 <ais523> (I'm not sure I've ever seen a one-comparison approach, assuming you don't count the loop termination test)
07:52:03 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188205&oldid=188130 * Ractangle * (-429)
07:58:50 <esolangs> [[U (Ractangle)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188206&oldid=164560 * Ractangle * (+0) ok i have gotten an idea now
08:03:49 <esolangs> [[Brainuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188207 * Ractangle * (+31) alternative way to accses brainuck by not typing "Old Branjunk"
08:36:54 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188208&oldid=188169 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-68) /* Subprograms */
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08:55:54 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188210&oldid=188209 * Ractangle * (+9)
09:13:54 <esolangs> [[RegLike]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188211&oldid=187871 * Olus2000 * (+343) General cleanup
10:57:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188212&oldid=188179 * Dragoneater67 * (+240)
11:39:41 <esolangs> [[ Meaoiu]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188213&oldid=186069 * PrySigneToFry * (+963) Extend the description and add some examples.
11:46:58 <esolangs> [[User talk:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188214&oldid=188212 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+145)
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12:57:36 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188216&oldid=188215 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-7) /* Syntax */
12:58:38 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188217&oldid=188216 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+37) /* Execution */
13:00:43 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188218&oldid=188217 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-182) /* Subprograms */
13:04:49 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188219&oldid=188218 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+0) I can also do this change right?
13:42:41 <esolangs> [[SIMP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188220&oldid=188173 * Miui * (+0) fix cat
13:43:41 <esolangs> [[Burn in Hell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188221&oldid=188112 * Miui * (+1) fix cat
13:53:17 <esolangs> [[Whizz]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188222&oldid=187853 * Splot-dev * (+123) Added https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/267030/print-the-christmas-alphabet/290495#290495
14:52:27 <esolangs> [[SIMP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188223&oldid=188220 * Miui * (+254)
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16:42:35 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188227&oldid=188184 * GraysonLaux * (+179) /* Introductions */
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17:58:37 <esolangs> [[CRAZYLANG]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188229 * GraysonLaux * (+3141) Created page with "{{Language |name=CRAZYLANG |paradigms=Imperative |class=Language-oriented |created= |author=[[User:GraysonLaux]] |influenced= }} '''CRAZYLANG''' is an esoteric programming language designed to make programs sound like you went crazy when read aloud. == Overview
18:07:30 <esolangs> [[CRAZYLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188230&oldid=188229 * Aadenboy * (+153) fix infobox; cats
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18:13:45 <esolangs> [[CRAZYLANG]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188232&oldid=188231 * GraysonLaux * (+26) /* See Also */
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18:42:06 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188235&oldid=188226 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+83) /* Execution */
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18:51:26 <esolangs> [[Talk:ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188237&oldid=188203 * ViktorChampion * (+1334)
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19:03:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188239&oldid=188238 * B jonas * (+572)
19:04:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188240&oldid=188239 * ViktorChampion * (+56)
19:05:29 <b_jonas> korvo: yes, I've seen it. they gave an alternate URL now.
19:06:19 <b_jonas> apparently the repository is at https://github.com/ViktorChampion/ArrowPrintInterpreter/ . ais523:
19:07:34 <esolangs> [[ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188241&oldid=188234 * B jonas * (+181) online interpreter link
19:10:07 <esolangs> [[Talk:ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188242&oldid=188240 * ViktorChampion * (-56)
19:16:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188243&oldid=188242 * ViktorChampion * (+1352)
19:19:15 <b_jonas> korvo: ^^ now there are two public repositories, the second one for a web interpreter. I'm trying to experiment with it but so far don't have much success.
19:19:36 <esolangs> [[ITBCT]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188244 * Miui * (+1996) Created page with "'''ITBCT''' is a trivial brainfuck substitution based on '''The Number Twelve Looks Like You''''s track "If These Bullets Could Talk" + Increments the memory cell. If the first character if the statment is W, the rest of the lyrics are printed to add +1 to the cell per char
19:20:34 <korvo> Best of luck. I can't bring myself to care much about centaur projects; they all seem unhinged in some way.
19:21:17 <b_jonas> yes, this one definitely is, but now it has an implementation, which means we can prove that it's unhinged, as opposed to merely speculate about how it would be unhinged if it existed
19:21:27 <esolangs> [[User:ViktorChampion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188245&oldid=188186 * ViktorChampion * (-8430) Replaced content with "Hello, I'm '''Viktor_Champion''', i made '''ArrowPrint'''. That's all :D"
19:22:33 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188246&oldid=188190 * Miui * (+24) /* dubious pages i wrote */
19:27:46 <b_jonas> the online intererpreter keeps freezing and/or running out of memory, and even when it doesn't do that, I can't figure out the rules of what works and what doesn't
19:30:36 <esolangs> [[User:ViktorChampion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188247&oldid=188245 * ViktorChampion * (+97)
19:44:07 <esolangs> [[Talk:ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188248&oldid=188243 * B jonas * (+1296)
19:54:07 <b_jonas> I mean, yesterday we had no implementation, which meant we couldn't tell much about the language. Now we have *two* implementations for some reason, one in client-side javascript, the other in python. So it's worth to reexamine this.
19:56:48 <esolangs> [[Talk:ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188249&oldid=188248 * ViktorChampion * (+2356)
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20:31:31 <ais523> <korvo> Best of luck. I can't bring myself to care much about centaur projects; they all seem unhinged in some way. ← although this is true, the unhinged isn't exactly out of place on esolangs.org
20:31:42 <ais523> we had a substantial amount of slop there even before LLMs were invented
20:33:39 <ais523> I am not sure what to do about someone using the talk page purely as a relay for LLM output
20:33:48 <int-e> b_jonas: Oh I finally reached the endgame in the manufacturer mode in shapez 2. It does feel a bit different from the standard ("classic") game mode, for one because you deliver to buildings that you can build (trade and research stations), and secondly because there's a pretty long pipeline of trades you have to make to obtain shapes of the final shape type. Some of those trades are at a loss,...
20:33:49 <korvo> Yeah, that's fair. I guess I mean unhinged like cults. Like self-destructive delusion.
20:33:54 <ais523> (especially given that I don't see why an LLM would have any more idea how the language works than a human would)
20:33:54 <int-e> ...so you have to scale up earlier stages quite a bit.
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20:39:28 <int-e> b_jonas: Anyway, the upshot is that it makes the game more complex and you can, if you want to, optimize the late game designs endlessly, more so than with a fixed set of operator shapes to deliver and MAMs.
20:40:44 <int-e> (And they added a harder version recently, I wonder how they did that... I imagine less favorable ratios and more complex shapes to make for trades.)
20:43:47 <int-e> oh how about a screenshot: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-vga.jpg
20:45:01 <int-e> (All this is to support the big orange thing in front, though some parts are a bit overbuilt for that, and also I mostly tried to not make a complete mess; this can be optimized significantly)
20:46:48 <b_jonas> so is the big orange thing the rocket silo?
20:46:51 <int-e> but you can see a trading pipeling: it starts with green (not visible), which is traded for yellow, then cyan, then magenta, then white, then black, and that gives an ingredient for the orange thing.
20:47:19 <int-e> b_jonas: It's like that, yeah.
20:50:13 <int-e> There's an achievement for launching it 2001 times... at maybe a minute per launch if it's fully saturated? It'll be a while (but you can have several of them)
20:51:32 <int-e> b_jonas: There's also another MAM to make, using the 10 new basic shape types (which can't be painted)... so that's another thing you'll need the full trading pipeline for.
20:52:05 <int-e> Optional though... I'm not yet decided whether I'll bother.
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21:06:26 <b_jonas> int-e: a randomized goal that's harder than the one that includes crystals? I see
21:07:41 <int-e> I don't know whether they mix in crystals with that too.
21:08:29 <int-e> But regardless it's harder in an independent direction, namely having to select from 15 rather than 5 shapes. (Where one of the shapes is bare pins.)
21:09:30 <int-e> Which I think is mostly a layout challenge... you have more stuff to feed into it.
21:09:39 <int-e> Into the MAM that is.
21:10:16 <int-e> Ideally while keeping critical paths short.
21:11:04 <int-e> Anyway. It is an interesting game mode.
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21:17:14 <int-e> b_jonas: Oh one source of complexity is that some of the trading stations (the earlier ones) have several variants with different ingredients and different ratios. It's not immediately obvious what the best choice is (to get a better trade on the special shapes you'll have to put in more work and ingredients that are normal shapes and colors)
21:25:15 <b_jonas> that's a good thing for an advanced game mode
21:26:12 <int-e> Anyway. I'll try the hard version of it eventually. But first I want to collect 4 achievements from the "classic" (original) hard mode.
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22:59:59 <esolangs> [[CRAZYLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188251&oldid=188232 * GraysonLaux * (+56) /* Variable Modification */
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08:47:19 <int-e> fungot: What's the longest Anubis check you've seen so far? My browser is working on a 5 minutes one...
08:47:19 <fungot> int-e: picture of omur confronting a problem set with hints/ solutions
08:48:45 <int-e> (I guess it would be faster with more cores but I only have 6.)
09:09:20 <int-e> Also 5 was an estimate; it took over 7 minutes in the end.
09:20:22 <fizzie> https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis/issues/1749 perhaps.
09:20:39 <fizzie> (Was trying to look up how its challenge difficulty setting worked again.)
09:23:31 <int-e> Hmm, perhaps. But this is a fairly big gitlab instance (GHC's, the Haskell compiler), so I'm willing to believe that it's just crawled to heavily from random IPs that this is the threshold it ends up with for fresh connections.
09:24:48 <int-e> The same, btw, potentially goes for that bug report.
09:26:37 <fizzie> On the wiki front we're back to normal levels of "horrible between 5pm-7pm", though the cosmic background radiation is also slightly up at 7 req/s (which translates to 50% CPU utilization).
09:30:28 <fizzie> Of which maybe 3 is Meta (UA meta-externalagent/1.1, IP in their network), which is a _little_ high as a constant load, but, eh.
09:30:59 <fizzie> (It's also not respecting robots.txt.)
09:32:17 <fizzie> "The Meta-ExternalAgent crawler crawls the web for use cases such as training foundation AI models or improving products by indexing content directly."
09:32:17 <int-e> I'd assume that their excuse is that they do this to show page snippets to real users.
09:32:34 <fizzie> They have a different UA for that.
09:32:36 <int-e> That... yeah that's just bad then
09:32:44 <fizzie> "The Meta-ExternalFetcher crawler may bypass robots.txt because it performs fetches that were requested by the user."
09:33:51 <fizzie> This one's supposed to respect it, but I have a "User-agent: *" "Disallow: /w/" entry in there, and they're still fetching URLs like `/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&from=20260805221124&fromFormatted=22%3A11%2C+5+August+2026&userExpLevel=registered&hidebots=0&hideminor=1&days=14`.
09:33:52 <int-e> I see. Agent vs. Fetcher. That's easy to mix up. And it's probably an intentional choice too.
09:35:28 <int-e> Not that it'll matter for User-agent: *
09:37:57 <fizzie> Well, you can't expect a scrappy startup like Meta to be so strict about following all the rules.
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10:15:47 <b_jonas> fizzie: yeah, I've scraped sites where a robots.txt forbids it. my rationalization that I'm scraping a particular website that I know, rather than making a general purpose crawler that can access any website.
10:19:23 <int-e> b_jonas: you're probably also gonna be polite about it (spacing out requests to a rate a human could muster)
10:20:52 <b_jonas> I've done that, but I've also done faster than a human could muster. But I also don't try to download all pairwise diffs when I could instead just download 100 previous versions of a page with a request to Api.php .
10:21:29 <b_jonas> Or just the latest version of each page if that's what I need.
10:21:41 <int-e> yeah the pairwise diff thing is pretty aggrevating
10:22:13 <b_jonas> and if I send lots of requests then I at least try to check if I get meaningful results instead of just error responses
10:22:30 <int-e> Like, mediawikis are quite common, the diffs are not going to improve your training material, and you still don't have code to weed those requests out? Why
10:23:04 <b_jonas> diffs could make sense, just not pairwise diffs between lots of versions
11:14:50 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188264&oldid=188236 * Dragoneater67 * (+325) categorize
11:26:06 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188265&oldid=188264 * Dragoneater67 * (-8)
11:26:25 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Dragoneater67 * moved [[User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] to [[Robots.txt]]
11:26:25 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Dragoneater67 * moved [[User talk:Dragoneater67/robots.txt]] to [[Talk:Robots.txt]]
11:27:00 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188270&oldid=188121 * Dragoneater67 * (-35)
12:04:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188271&oldid=177486 * Cordership * (+8) /* collab? */
12:16:18 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188272&oldid=188096 * Cordership * (+353) /* Examples */
12:16:44 <fizzie> TBH, I haven't checked if they're actually doing all pairs (that would require enumerating over the various radio button choices), vs. just comparing each revision to the current and immediately preceding one (which have direct "cur" and "prev" hyperlinks on the `action=history` page).
12:20:05 <fizzie> In other news, I unexempted meta-externalagent (not sure why I had it exempted to begin with) from the expensive-pages policy, and CPU usage dropped from 50% to 20%.
12:22:32 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188273&oldid=188042 * ViktorChampion * (+40)
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12:33:41 <esolangs> [[Calculator (program form)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188277&oldid=182928 * ViktorChampion * (+606)
12:34:01 <esolangs> [[Calculator (program form)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188278&oldid=188277 * ViktorChampion * (+1)
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13:17:31 <lisbeths> how do I put my language in the esolangs wiki
13:20:59 <esolangs> [[Gravity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188280&oldid=103631 * None1 * (+116)
13:21:28 <fizzie> Assuming you've (got an account and are) logged in, the easiest way is probably using the search box for the title you want, and assuming it doesn't already exist, it should offer an option to create a page by that title.
13:27:02 <esolangs> [[CRAZYLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188281&oldid=188251 * GraysonLaux * (+120)
13:36:17 <esolangs> [[User talk:Win7HE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188282&oldid=147892 * None1 * (+439) I've deleted your `.github/workflows/static.yml` file on [[IEO]]
13:39:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Memesmith67 * New user account
13:39:48 <esolangs> [[User talk:Win7HE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188283&oldid=188282 * None1 * (+11)
13:46:46 <lisbeths> its too difficult to make an account on the wiki I give up
13:48:18 <korvo> No worries. Is there a website with details about your language?
14:08:11 <b_jonas> lisbeths: if you want a wiki account, you can probably ask fizzie to give you one. but also if you have a description of an interesting esoteric language outside the wiki then you can link it here in IRC and we might edit the wiki to link to it.
14:09:28 <b_jonas> fizzie: oh, so they might only be following the "cur" and "prev" links? that'd be much better. I had thought we knew that they did a lot of pairwise diffs on one of the large pages like Introduce yourself, which is why ais523 has hidden its old revisions at one point
14:10:01 <lisbeths> i dont have anyone who has written about my language
14:10:27 <korvo> lisbeths: Oh, also, what steps did you take to try to create an account? Account creation was working only a few days ago, but maybe it's broken right now; we'll only know if you share more details.
14:11:00 <lisbeths> well I had claude solve the befunge prompt. I had to use sonnet and not haiku
14:11:20 <lisbeths> and then I went to the page to add my introduction
14:11:42 <lisbeths> and the syntax format of those entries is impossible for my braincells to learn
14:11:58 <b_jonas> getting all the diffs between adjacent revisions would not be too excessive if they don't know how to use the api.php – or are prepared for wikis like Wikia that don't support that. and also downloading diffs from each revision to current seems unnecessary, but that only triples the traffic compared to only adjacent so it's probably not a big deal.
14:16:42 <lisbeths> behold - the common spungus programming lanuage https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/pqYEbhYO
14:16:55 <lisbeths> also included: advanced spungus
14:18:40 <lisbeths> not much is written about this language or how it works
14:31:44 <korvo> Yeah, Claude can't really do anything. Genuinely funny that the Befunge prompt wasn't as hard as MW markup.
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14:42:50 <b_jonas> is this a shell script using awk to transform a spungus script into sh script?
14:44:31 <fizzie> b_jonas: They certainly did a lot of diffs on that page, but it's a page with a lot of revisions to begin with, so even just the directly linked diffs is a lot, especially since you get a new set of URLs every time there's a new edit (since all the "cur" URLs change). Anyway, it's possible they're doing all pairs too, I just meant I've not actually systematically looked at the logs to confirm
14:44:38 <fizzie> IIRC in the early days they started this incessant crawling they were also requesting every individual URL like 20 times. Not sure if that's still going on.
14:45:21 <fizzie> I had Gemini solve the CAPTCHA (as an experiment), but I don't remember if that was Flash or Pro.
14:45:58 <esolangs> [[Chicken]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188284&oldid=188192 * None1 * (+221) /* MiniChicken */
14:53:37 <fizzie> I don't think the require-users-to-introduce-themselves check cares all that much about proper formatting of the entry, though I think it does check that whatever you're adding is at the bottom of the page.
14:54:46 <fizzie> But you can probably just write anything as long as it's a new paragraph at the bottom of the "Introductions" section, and if someone cares enough they can clean it up afterwards.
14:56:26 <fizzie> (The attempted common spungus edit text is also fully captured in the filter log if someone wants to document it on your behalf, but that still wouldn't let you edit it afterwards.)
15:00:47 <esolangs> [[Meow (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188285&oldid=169061 * None1 * (+69) /* Examples */
15:03:33 <esolangs> [[ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188286&oldid=188263 * ViktorChampion * (-52)
15:06:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:Meow (None1)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188287 * None1 * (+339) Created page with "Got interested in this again. I'll write a documentation for it. --~~~~"
15:11:00 <lisbeths> so the righthand sh in common spungus is just go evaluate sh
15:11:19 <lisbeths> the lefthand sh is to on the fly write a compiler
15:11:37 <lisbeths> thus the syntax of common spungus is flexible at runtime
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15:52:41 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Rainwave * uploaded "[[File:The Exasperation Machine in A Painter Ant.png]]"
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16:28:01 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Rainwave * uploaded "[[File:TEM tape in APA.png]]"
16:30:10 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Fuse Theory(Esoteric Guage Theory)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188299&oldid=188297 * Miui * (+98) add Non-Abelian fusion, shrinking, and quantum dimensions of Abelian gauge fluxes Zhi-Feng Zhang1, Qing-Rui Wang 2,*, and Peng Ye 1,
16:31:03 <esolangs> [[A Painter Ant]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188300&oldid=185200 * Rainwave * (+1112) Added computational class. A Painter Ant is Turing complete!
16:33:40 <esolangs> [[A Painter Ant]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188301&oldid=188300 * Rainwave * (+6) Clarified that we extend the tape's boundaries before each TEM instruction, not before each TEM cycle.
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16:38:40 <esolangs> [[A Painter Ant]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188302&oldid=188301 * Rainwave * (-1) Err, grammar mistakes as always
16:51:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188303&oldid=187965 * Hotcrystal0 * (+424) /* Collab? */ new section
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19:08:37 <esolangs> [[Common spungus]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188309 * Aadenboy * (+1163) create page on behalf of lisbeths on IRC; https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2026-08.html#lIp
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20:49:36 <lisbeths> I need assistance to post my esoteric language: common_spungus
20:49:56 <lisbeths> i have created me account but it wants me to type an intro and the format is very alien to me
20:59:49 <aadenboy> lisbeths: you just need to give a brief introduction about yourself on the bottom of [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]], something like "hello, I am so and so [...] ~~~~"
21:00:08 <aadenboy> probably mention your esolang as well
21:00:08 <fizzie> There is not really much to it. You click on the edit button next to the "Introductions" section, and add a paragraph at the end (separated by one blank line from what was there before), and at the end of your paragraph write ~~~~ (the ~ symbol, four times), which will be automatically replaced by your user name when you save the edit.
21:00:27 <aadenboy> hah, answered at the same time
21:02:08 <fizzie> You were first, but I'd written most of that and didn't want it to go to waste.
21:02:46 <fizzie> I'm not even sure the signature is checked, so it's quite possible it would be sufficient to just add *any* text to the page (as long as it's a new paragraph at the end).
21:04:53 <lisbeths> it seems like the page is already live https://esolangs.org/wiki/Common_spungus
21:05:13 <lisbeths> but I NeVeR introduced myself he he he he he.....
21:06:06 <fizzie> That's because Aadenboy went and created it, it seems.
21:06:25 <fizzie> You'll still need to do the introduction thing if you want to edit it, though.
21:07:17 <lisbeths> a picture of a spungus https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zqhntb1l/6909.jpg
21:23:27 <korvo> That's not suitable for the wiki, being AI-generated. Only stuff in the public domain is allowed; either you author it and release it, or somebody else authored it and they said it was okay.
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22:09:57 <esolangs> [[DCL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188322&oldid=187981 * Representativeofpeace * (+1039)
22:13:31 <lisbeths> well common spungus isnt public domain its gpl2
22:13:48 <lisbeths> and ive seen other languages on there that arent public domain
22:14:16 <zzo38> Anything in esolang wiki is required to be public domain, but I think it is acceptable to link to external files (such as implementations) which have other licenses such as GPL2
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22:18:27 <lisbeths> well my language isnt public domain
22:18:39 <lisbeths> so by your own rules it can not be on the wiki
22:19:00 <lisbeths> here is a public domain drawing of a spungus https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jYNAMSpi/6910.jpg
22:20:01 <aadenboy> a description of the esolang can be on the wiki so long as it is public domain, independent of if the language source itself is in the public domain
22:20:53 <lisbeths> I posted my gpl2 implementation of common spungus
22:21:12 <aadenboy> the wiki can't host it, but it can describe it
22:21:33 <lisbeths> thats what im saying, you gotta take common spungus down off of there
22:24:45 <esolangs> [[Common spungus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188323&oldid=188309 * Aadenboy * (-848) remove source
22:58:21 <lisbeths> i have decided to leave common spungus as gpl2 on the wiki and make no attempt to fix it
22:58:44 <lisbeths> this has been a hard decision to make, but it benefits me the greatest out of the options at hand
23:05:24 <korvo> aadenboy fixed it for you.
23:05:51 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188324&oldid=187346 * Aadenboy * (-41)
23:20:27 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Aadenboy * moved [[Calculator (program form)]] to [[4-function calculator]]: rename with the possibility of other calculators; it would be likely that this could be renamed to a more generic count since a few examples use four, but I'm not worried about that
23:22:28 <esolangs> [[4-function calculator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188327&oldid=188325 * Aadenboy * (+15) wording
23:24:42 <esolangs> [[Popular problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188328&oldid=181082 * Aadenboy * (-15)
23:53:58 <esolangs> [[Lost And Found: Kingdom of Hangul]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188329&oldid=187067 * Miui * (+67) link Aheui
23:57:54 <esolangs> [[Choropleth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188330&oldid=186648 * Miui * (+80) link exploration page
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02:35:11 <esolangs> [[Countable]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188333&oldid=188332 * Aadenboy * (+6) /* Optimized inequality */ lmao
02:37:44 <esolangs> [[Countable]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188334&oldid=188333 * Aadenboy * (-7) /* Optimized inequality */ ...
02:44:22 <aadenboy> hah first quadruple dereference in countable
03:07:03 <esolangs> [[Nonstraightforward]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188335&oldid=185400 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-15) fix outdated codeberg link
03:19:12 <lisbeths> now I must make a document of the spungus language
03:19:28 <lisbeths> I am not so sure about public domain tho
03:19:51 <lisbeths> maybe I could describe common spungus and someone could write their own focument in public domain
03:26:42 <esolangs> [[+*-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188336&oldid=152271 * Ractangle * (-310) /* Implementations */
03:27:44 <korvo> lisbeths: This could be a good time to reflect on why you want to document your language on the wiki.
03:28:03 <korvo> The wiki isn't a free web host, after all.
04:02:54 <lisbeths> I dont want to release any public domain documents
04:10:16 <lisbeths> I can describe common spungus and license if creative commons
04:10:33 <lisbeths> and I can make public domain drawings of common spungus
04:32:46 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Jan Pilavik * New user account
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04:38:52 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188337&oldid=188227 * Jan Pilavik * (+199)
05:09:42 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188338 * Jan Pilavik * (+5427) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name = ONLY_STACK mini |author = jan Pilavik |year = 2026 |dimensions = 1 |class = [[Turing-complete]] |impl = Unimplemented }} '''ONLY_STACK mini''' is an esoteric programming language centered around a singl
05:12:28 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188339&oldid=188338 * Jan Pilavik * (-97)
05:25:50 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188340 * Jan Pilavik * (+306) Created page with "== About Me == I am jan Pilavik. I understand a little English. == Languages == Here are the esolangs I have created: * [[ONLY_STACK_mini]] == External Links == * [https://scratch.mit.edu/users/kensei2504 My scratch profile] * [https://www.youtube.com/chan
05:28:35 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188341&oldid=188340 * Jan Pilavik * (+160)
05:29:24 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188342&oldid=188341 * Jan Pilavik * (+101)
05:31:05 <esolangs> [[User talk:Win7HE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188343&oldid=188283 * Win7HE * (+88)
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05:37:03 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188347&oldid=188345 * Jan Pilavik * (+32)
06:04:55 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188348 * PrySigneToFry * (+11953) Created page with ":''You could also call the programming language WSCNPL.'' {{WIP}} is yet another Chinese programming language designed by PSTF. = Overview = (Wenshu) is a pure-Chinese programming language for educational use and pseudo-code. It is mostly inspired from [[ Meaoiu]].
06:05:44 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188349&oldid=188314 * PrySigneToFry * (+14)
06:35:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188350&oldid=188310 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+323)
06:36:30 <esolangs> [[Robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188351&oldid=188311 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+106)
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06:48:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188353&oldid=188352 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+127) /* Publishing the emails? */
06:50:36 <esolangs> [[Robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188354&oldid=188351 * Dragoneater67 * (+103) fix some issues
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07:03:51 <esolangs> [[Robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188356&oldid=188354 * Dragoneater67 * (+1) a hyphen was missing
07:03:55 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188357&oldid=185856 * None1 * (+85)
07:06:11 <esolangs> [[Robots.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188358&oldid=188356 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1) /* Execution */
07:18:11 <esolangs> [[Meow (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188359&oldid=188295 * None1 * (+644)
07:19:59 <esolangs> [[Meow (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188360&oldid=188359 * None1 * (+2)
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09:37:45 <esolangs> [[Minecraft Commands]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188361 * Jan Pilavik * (+3077) Created page with "'''Minecraft Commands''' (often represented by the <code>.mcfunction</code> file extension in Datapacks) is an unintentionally [[Turing-complete]] esoteric scripting language embedded within the sandbox game ''Minecraft''. While originally designed for
09:41:18 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188362&oldid=188347 * Jan Pilavik * (+253)
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09:46:53 <esolangs> [[Meow (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188365&oldid=188360 * None1 * (-17) /* Interpreter */
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11:26:49 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * VIBaJ * New user account
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11:41:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * MxBrahms * New user account
11:45:20 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188370&oldid=188369 * MxBrahms * (+277) /* Introductions */
11:52:08 <esolangs> [[User:MxBrahms]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188371 * MxBrahms * (+357) Create
11:55:20 <esolangs> [[COSOL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188372&oldid=177573 * MxBrahms * (-51) Update for COSOL26
12:13:57 <esolangs> [[TheLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188373&oldid=147940 * Tema5002 * (-11) This has moved from GitHub by now
12:16:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188374&oldid=188303 * Cordership * (+24) /* Collab? */
12:16:48 <esolangs> [[User talk:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188375&oldid=188374 * Cordership * (+92) /* Collab? */
12:28:32 <esolangs> [[User:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188376&oldid=188195 * Cordership * (+12) /* Hate */
12:31:20 <esolangs> [[Bracky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188377&oldid=176711 * Cordership * (+48) /* User programs (USER EDITED SECTION) */
12:31:42 <esolangs> [[Bracky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188378&oldid=188377 * Cordership * (+12) /* From (()) to (()()(())) */
12:33:20 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188379&oldid=188272 * Cordership * (+3) /* Euler-Mascheroni constant to desired precision */
12:42:43 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188380&oldid=188379 * Cordership * (+125) /* Examples */
12:50:08 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188381&oldid=188380 * Cordership * (+228) /* Syntax */
12:50:23 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188382&oldid=188381 * Cordership * (+13) /* Tommyawesome constant */
12:57:04 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188383&oldid=188382 * Cordership * (-20) /* Kolakoski sequence */
12:57:58 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188384&oldid=188383 * Cordership * (-53) /* Syntax */
13:01:44 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188385&oldid=188384 * Cordership * (+217) /* Tommyawesome constant */
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13:06:28 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188387&oldid=188386 * Cordership * (+403) /* Examples */
13:07:24 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188388&oldid=188387 * Cordership * (+91) /* Syntax */
13:13:10 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188389&oldid=188346 * Jan Pilavik * (+30)
13:15:26 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188390&oldid=188388 * Cordership * (+197) /* Examples */
13:24:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * FINNRW * New user account
13:24:18 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188391&oldid=188390 * Cordership * (+197) /* Examples */
13:25:11 <esolangs> [[Sgn Machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188392&oldid=181360 * Cordership * (+184) /* Challenge Area */
13:26:09 <esolangs> [[Sgn Machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188393&oldid=188392 * Cordership * (+1) /* Challenge Area */
13:29:14 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188394&oldid=188253 * Cordership * (+185)
13:33:06 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188395&oldid=188389 * Jan Pilavik * (+129) /* Implementation example */
13:33:50 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188396&oldid=188395 * Jan Pilavik * (+16) /* Implementation example */
13:36:49 <esolangs> [[COSOL26]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188397 * MxBrahms * (+9979) Create
13:37:35 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188398&oldid=188396 * Jan Pilavik * (+45) /* Implementation example */
13:38:11 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188399&oldid=188398 * Jan Pilavik * (+46) /* Implementation example */
13:43:49 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188400&oldid=188370 * FINNRW * (+288)
13:53:53 <esolangs> [[Tetryx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188401&oldid=187532 * TheYoungProgrammer * (+1552)
13:55:50 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188402&oldid=188394 * Dragoneater67 * (+43) i delcare that cleverxia's usage of my username was invalid
13:57:38 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188403&oldid=188399 * Jan Pilavik * (+81)
14:05:05 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188404&oldid=188403 * Jan Pilavik * (+189) /* Forth(by Jan Pilavik) */
14:06:05 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188405&oldid=188404 * Jan Pilavik * (+10) /* Implementation example */
14:12:12 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188406&oldid=188405 * Jan Pilavik * (-342) /* Implementation example */
14:14:56 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188407 * Jan Pilavik * (+336) Created page with "== Forth(by Jan Pilavik) == <pre> ( I can't write code well. () ) : OVER OVER + ; </pre> === comment: === ForthOVER ~~~~"
14:16:18 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188408&oldid=188406 * Jan Pilavik * (-1)
14:16:37 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188409&oldid=188407 * Jan Pilavik * (+14)
14:21:31 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188410&oldid=188408 * Jan Pilavik * (+21) /* Implementation example */
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14:24:40 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/CGoL+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188411&oldid=164533 * Cordership * (+185)
14:24:52 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/CGoL+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188412&oldid=188411 * Cordership * (+1) /* R-pentonomino until it stabilizes */
14:31:53 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188413&oldid=188391 * Cordership * (+76) /* Conways Game Of Life LWSS */
14:38:30 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188414&oldid=188413 * Cordership * (+0) /* FizzBuzz */
14:56:49 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188415&oldid=188402 * PrySigneToFry * (-16) AIS523: ?
15:03:08 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188416&oldid=188415 * PrySigneToFry * (+156)
15:38:38 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188417&oldid=188416 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+791) addedd miiiine
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15:58:39 <esolangs> [[Flipscript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188418&oldid=172325 * QuantumCalculator * (-93)
16:53:59 <esolangs> [[Factorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188419&oldid=188275 * ViktorChampion * (+2)
16:59:45 <esolangs> [[ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188420&oldid=188367 * ViktorChampion * (+258)
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18:13:41 <esolangs> [[Addbig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188421&oldid=125426 * Bangyen * (-2)
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18:25:01 <aadenboy> countable's dynamic labels are too powerful lmao
18:25:23 <aadenboy> I should not have access to creating a switch statement in what is supposed to be a tarpit
18:25:58 <aadenboy> too bad they're fun to use hah
18:41:07 <b_jonas> Intercal computed come from?
18:44:03 <b_jonas> an intercal extension made that feature famous. they call their labels "come from" and call their jumps statement labels.
18:44:40 <b_jonas> the labels have a numeric value, and they can be dynamically computed every time you do a jump. the jump targets can be dynamically computed too.
19:47:34 <esolangs> [[Countable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188422&oldid=188334 * Aadenboy * (+5688) fix A+B and implement [[User:Aadenboy/Miscellanium 2's cipher]]
19:47:53 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/Miscellanium 2's cipher]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188423&oldid=187864 * Aadenboy * (+5885) /* Encryption implementations */
19:48:38 <aadenboy> the hardest part of that was trying to print the numbers, or at least reusing the existing algorithm
19:49:00 <aadenboy> I wish there was an easier way to print numbers greater than nine, but alas
19:50:59 <aadenboy> again quadruple dereference was funny; accessing a pointer which points to a character in a string which is fed to a lookup table which points back to a new character on the string, all of that to access another lookup table (not in the dereference chain)
20:07:23 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188424&oldid=188156 * Hotcrystal0 * (+214)
20:08:11 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/CGoL+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188425&oldid=188412 * Hotcrystal0 * (+45) Gotta add Cordership
20:11:40 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188426&oldid=187702 * Hotcrystal0 * (-284) Overhaul of my introduction
20:12:08 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188427&oldid=188426 * Hotcrystal0 * (+19)
20:12:42 <esolangs> [[Factorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188428&oldid=188419 * Hotcrystal0 * (+0) Correct typo
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20:46:45 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Daevergent * New user account
20:48:06 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188429&oldid=188400 * Daevergent * (+99) Added myself
20:48:13 <esolangs> [[Brainscrambler]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188430&oldid=47195 * Daevergent * (+4) Removed deadname
21:27:21 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188431 * 5anz * (+8005) Created page with "Oh god this is way longer than I expected. '''Coders Coding Coders''' is an Esolang by ~~~, where instead of any normal form of flow control, requires ''Coders Coding Coders coders'' to ''code code'' that ''codes'' more ''code'', which can get to the point of
21:28:19 <esolangs> [[User:5anz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188432&oldid=180459 * 5anz * (+73) /* 1nteger */
21:41:11 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188433&oldid=188431 * 5anz * (+64) /* Other */
21:50:05 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188434&oldid=188433 * 5anz * (-1) /* Other */
21:50:42 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/Miscellanium 2's cipher]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188435&oldid=188423 * Aadenboy * (-10) /* Lua */ golfing
22:08:13 <esolangs> [[Epsilon]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188436 * ASCIIguy * (+887) Created page with "**Epsilon** is a [[golfing language]] designed to create numbers as large as possible in as small a file size. ==Syntax== Epsilon syntax relies upon infix notation. At the beginning of a line used for a number, the variable name and a colon is used to declare it. A code
22:58:05 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188437&oldid=188434 * Ais523 * (-31) please do not hide the User: on links to userspace, and do not link to user talkspace from articles because it's basically never relevant
23:03:04 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[File:Icon.png]]": duplicate image (presumably created at the wrong title), a duplicate was uploaded at [[File:ArrowPrint.png]]
23:03:53 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/protect]] protect * Ais523 * protected "[[File:Icon.png [create=sysop] (indefinite)]]": at least two icons have been accidentally uploaded at this name rather than a name that specifies what they're representing; protect the generic name to stop the same mistake happening a third time
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00:08:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188438&oldid=188424 * I am islptng * (+224) /* Are you still active here? */
00:15:36 <esolangs> [[MENACE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188439&oldid=187493 * Miui * (+119) /* External resources */ added Grandmaster Bertoulli
01:22:24 <lisbeths> I am working on a webpage to describe common spungus, but the license of the page is unannounced
01:33:26 <esolangs> [[The Exasperation Machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188440&oldid=188313 * Rainwave * (+16) Added "Stun Step" to the "See also" section, they're pretty similar.
01:55:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:Stun Step]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188441&oldid=141747 * Rainwave * (+992) /* Similarities with The Exasperation Machine */ new section
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02:22:32 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/CGoL+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188443&oldid=188425 * Cordership * (+18) /* LWSS for 150 gens */
02:22:43 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/CGoL+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188444&oldid=188443 * Cordership * (+17) /* R-pentonomino until it stabilizes */
03:04:37 <esolangs> [[Print("Hello, World!")]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188445&oldid=188132 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+211) /* Usernames */ minor clarification because no usernames interpreter exists yet
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03:32:31 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188446&oldid=188410 * Jan Pilavik * (+18)
03:42:07 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188447&oldid=188438 * PrySigneToFry * (+6695) /* Lingua Indeterminatum (2) */ new section
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04:01:19 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Valine0x * New user account
04:09:04 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188448&oldid=188429 * Valine0x * (+357) /* Introductions */
05:17:04 <esolangs> [[Evalsfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188449 * Valine0x * (+16207) Created page with "Pronounced as ''evil-as-fuck''. <blockquote>Lisp is good. But you know what? Not good enough. Now its better than ever.</blockquote> '''Evalsfuck''' is a joke language/esolang that shares a similar concept to Brainfuck. But the difference is that evalsfuck does no
05:20:55 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188450&oldid=188349 * Valine0x * (+16) /* E */
05:30:43 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188451&oldid=187855 * Valine0x * (+76) /* General languages */
05:31:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Color Scheme]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188452 * Miui * (+149) topic: python interpreter
05:52:56 <esolangs> [[Evalsfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188453&oldid=188449 * Valine0x * (+703) new section
06:05:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188454&oldid=188409 * Jan Pilavik * (+171)
06:06:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188455&oldid=188454 * Jan Pilavik * (+70) /* Forth(by Jan Pilavik) */
06:07:25 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188456&oldid=188446 * Jan Pilavik * (+10) /* Instructions */
06:11:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188457&oldid=188455 * Jan Pilavik * (+140) /* Forth(by Jan Pilavik) */
06:12:10 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/CGoL+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188458&oldid=188444 * Cordership * (+159)
06:13:40 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188459&oldid=188427 * Cordership * (+34) /* Joke */
06:17:34 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Valine0x * uploaded "[[File:Evalsfuck's Logo.png]]"
06:21:21 <esolangs> [[Evalsfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188461&oldid=188453 * Valine0x * (+89) uploading a logo
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06:24:33 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188462&oldid=188456 * Jan Pilavik * (+136) /* Examples */
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06:36:39 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188463&oldid=188462 * Jan Pilavik * (+346) /* Examples */
06:37:12 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188464&oldid=188437 * 5anz * (-1) /* Syntax */
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06:42:20 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188465&oldid=188463 * Jan Pilavik * (+12) /* sgn code (by Jan Pilavik) */
06:44:44 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188466&oldid=188465 * Jan Pilavik * (+1660) /* Examples */
06:46:20 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188467&oldid=188466 * Jan Pilavik * (+8) /* mod code (only n+0i) (by Jan Pilavik) */
06:47:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188468&oldid=188457 * Jan Pilavik * (+17)
07:03:07 <esolangs> [[Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188469&oldid=187919 * Blashyrkh * (+35) /* Table of combinators */ SK expression for R**
07:19:17 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188470&oldid=188357 * None1 * (+800)
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07:47:01 <lisbeths> I have made a non public domain webpage for common spungus
07:47:03 <lisbeths> https://fastmonk.neocities.org/spungus/
07:47:29 <lisbeths> hopefully this can shed some light onto its operation
08:10:52 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188471&oldid=188464 * 5anz * (+54) /* Versions that use CODE and RUN */
08:14:04 <esolangs> [[List of quines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188472&oldid=187511 * 5anz * (+62) /* Code pointer */
08:16:58 <esolangs> [[99 bottles of beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188473&oldid=188092 * 5anz * (+335) /* Brianfuck */
08:19:16 <esolangs> [[ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188474&oldid=188420 * ViktorChampion * (-68)
08:22:15 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188475&oldid=188471 * 5anz * (+2) /* Cheating quine */
08:33:19 <esolangs> [[Meta Cat Program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188476&oldid=180607 * 5anz * (+1) /* Implementations */
09:10:49 <esolangs> [[4-function calculator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188477&oldid=188327 * Cordership * (+384) /* ShortO */
09:26:07 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188478&oldid=188414 * Cordership * (+35) /* Syntax */
09:33:30 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188479&oldid=188475 * 5anz * (-2) /* Functions */
10:08:35 <esolangs> [[Simplfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188480 * Cordership * (+1314) Created page with "Simplfuck is a trivial Brainfuck substitution <code>("change pointer 1, change pointer -1, add memcell pointer 1, add memcell pointer -1, output char, input char, jump bracket open, jump bracket close")</code> by [[User:Cordership]]. ==Commands== {| class="wikitabl
10:08:55 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188481&oldid=187966 * Cordership * (+16) /* Esolangs */
10:11:06 <esolangs> [[Epsilon]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188482&oldid=188436 * ASCIIguy * (+91)
10:13:41 <esolangs> [[Epsilon]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188483&oldid=188482 * ASCIIguy * (+49) Fixed a bug.
10:18:44 <esolangs> [[Epsilon/Eta Function]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188484 * ASCIIguy * (+460) Created page with "The '''Eta Function''' is a function defined as E(n, m) where n is decremented repeated and m is raised to itself until n = 0. Then, the value of m is passed as the result. This is its primitive form. E.nm{[n=0]?m=.n-1m^mE.nm=} ==Repetition-Based Eta== The
10:47:46 <esolangs> [[User talk:Namotanu]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188485 * Jan Pilavik * (+105) Created page with " ~~~~"
10:49:15 <esolangs> [[User talk:Jan Pilavik]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188486 * Jan Pilavik * (+199) Created page with " == (japanese only) == ~~~ == Please proceed below(any language) =="
10:49:58 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188487&oldid=188364 * Jan Pilavik * (+25) /* article */
10:50:13 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188488&oldid=188487 * Jan Pilavik * (+25) /* article */
10:50:59 <esolangs> [[User talk:Namotanu]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188489&oldid=188485 * Jan Pilavik * (+125)
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11:24:07 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188490&oldid=188479 * 5anz * (+29) /* Other */
11:50:54 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188491&oldid=188447 * Cordership * (+99) /* Is TripletNOR complete? */ new section
11:51:06 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188492&oldid=188491 * Cordership * (+7) /* Is TripletNOR complete? */
12:32:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:Color Scheme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188493&oldid=188452 * Miui * (+9064) added more
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12:53:12 <esolangs> [[Translator Relations(TR)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188494 * Miui * (+2835) Created page with "There <b>is a relation</b>. There is three relations (3.) There is two relations (2.) There is a translator (3.) There is two translators(2.) There is a translator (1.) There is one relation (1.) There is two relatons. There is three relations. Two is thre
12:55:08 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188495&oldid=188246 * Miui * (+48) /* dubious pages i wrote */
13:30:23 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188496&oldid=188490 * 5anz * (-3) /* Functions but slightly different */
13:34:42 <esolangs> [[Brainlessfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188497 * VIBaJ * (+3509) Created page with "'''Brainlessfuck''' is an extension to [[brainfuck]] created by [[User:VIBaJ]] with the intent of making a tape-based language like brainfuck that's more practical to use while still having a very limited set of simple instructions. == Description == Brainlessfuck
13:36:58 <esolangs> [[TripletNOR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188498&oldid=151051 * I am islptng * (-1347) Blanked the page
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13:44:50 <esolangs> [[Brainlessfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188501&oldid=188497 * VIBaJ * (+59)
13:47:49 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188502&oldid=188450 * VIBaJ * (+20)
13:59:59 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188503&oldid=188496 * 5anz * (-22) /* Practical Uses */
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15:24:33 <esolangs> [[Tetryx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188504&oldid=188401 * TheYoungProgrammer * (+24) /* Who? */
15:26:05 <esolangs> [[Tetryx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188505&oldid=188504 * TheYoungProgrammer * (+5) /* Who? */
15:27:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188506&oldid=187846 * None1 * (+337) /* Can you prove computatioal class for esolang +*-? */ new section
15:31:41 <esolangs> [[Tetryx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188507&oldid=188505 * TheYoungProgrammer * (-9) /* Who? */
15:39:54 <korvo> lisbeths: Cute. I would wonder where Diogenes is.
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16:29:18 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188509&oldid=188273 * Aadenboy * (+42) see also
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17:07:02 <esolangs> [[Tryit.org]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188510&oldid=188148 * Ractangle * (+33) /* Implemented */
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20:08:28 <esolangs> [[Pietfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188512&oldid=160637 * 5anz * (+0)
20:09:55 <esolangs> [[Zip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188513&oldid=186719 * 5anz * (-21) /* External links */
20:14:05 <esolangs> [[User:Iddi01/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188514&oldid=144641 * 5anz * (-20887) Replaced content with "{{DISPLAYTITLE:uSeR:iddi01/Sandbox}} {{DISPLAYTITLE:esolngsndbx}} __NOTOC__ __NOTOC__ == Instructions (please don't remove/hide/make hard to read) == You can use this page for '''editing tests'''. Note that your '''tests''' may be overwritten q
20:19:21 <esolangs> [[ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188515&oldid=188474 * 5anz * (+10) /* See also */
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20:32:37 <esolangs> [[/English version]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188516&oldid=138212 * 5anz * (+29) /* Categories */
21:02:48 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188517 * Miui * (+682) sketching more color based languages
21:16:28 <esolangs> [[+*-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188518&oldid=188336 * Aadenboy * (+191) /* Implementations */ [[Lua]] golf
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21:46:27 <esolangs> [[Epsilon]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188520&oldid=188483 * ASCIIguy * (+29)
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22:04:14 <esolangs> [[COSOL26]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188522&oldid=188397 * MxBrahms * (+2750) Add remaining information
22:05:08 <esolangs> [[COSOL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188523&oldid=188372 * MxBrahms * (+60) Add reference to newer version
22:13:51 <esolangs> [[COSOL26]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188524&oldid=188522 * MxBrahms * (+803) Add Libraries and License Info
22:14:49 <esolangs> [[COSOL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188525&oldid=188523 * MxBrahms * (+6) Format
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23:16:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188528&oldid=188468 * Jan Pilavik * (+53)
23:49:02 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188529&oldid=188502 * Miui * (+14) /* A */ Add ABCLang to Language List
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00:18:57 <esolangs> [[Iffy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188530&oldid=187040 * VP3NEG * (-3) /* Introduction */
00:23:47 <esolangs> [[Text]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188531&oldid=183535 * VP3NEG * (-110) /* Compilers */
00:26:38 <esolangs> [[Text]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188532&oldid=188531 * VP3NEG * (+30) /* Compilers */
00:28:22 <esolangs> [[Taglate]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188533&oldid=129358 * Bangyen * (+101)
00:29:21 <esolangs> [[User:Bangyen]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188534&oldid=99663 * Bangyen * (+14) /* Implementations */
00:43:01 <esolangs> [[Jack Cole's Murray Polygon]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188535 * Miui * (+2019) Original article is datarotting
00:44:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188536&oldid=186934 * I am islptng * (+573)
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01:07:01 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188538&oldid=188528 * Jan Pilavik * (+29) /* Forth(by Jan Pilavik) */
01:11:12 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188539&oldid=188537 * Miui * (+610) implement html player colors
01:12:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188540&oldid=188538 * Jan Pilavik * (+19) /* Forth idea(by Jan Pilavik) */
01:16:27 <lisbeths> #copyright john morris beck 2026
01:16:27 <lisbeths> function f(x,y){if($1==x){print y;e=0}}
01:16:27 <lisbeths> $0=="advanced_spungus"{s=!s;next};!s;s{e=1;
01:17:12 <lisbeths> ive changed advanced spungus to add in alot of safeties https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/pxUUsy7o/
01:19:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188541&oldid=188540 * Jan Pilavik * (+76) /* Forth idea(by Jan Pilavik) */
01:27:11 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188542&oldid=188539 * Miui * (+488) /* Flags */ finish implementing hypertext color
01:29:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188543&oldid=188541 * Jan Pilavik * (+488) /* Forth idea(by Jan Pilavik) */
01:36:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188544&oldid=188543 * Jan Pilavik * (+177) /* Forth idea(by Jan Pilavik) */
01:40:10 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188545&oldid=188542 * Miui * (+6) /* Brief \ Title colors: */ fix
01:40:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188546&oldid=188544 * Jan Pilavik * (+168) /* Forth idea(by Jan Pilavik) */
01:41:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188547&oldid=188546 * Jan Pilavik * (+147) /* Forth idea(by Jan Pilavik) */
01:42:36 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188548&oldid=188545 * Miui * (+37) /* External Resources */
01:45:19 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188549&oldid=188488 * Jan Pilavik * (+144)
01:45:46 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188550&oldid=188549 * Jan Pilavik * (-19)
01:46:16 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188551&oldid=188550 * Jan Pilavik * (-13)
01:51:44 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188552&oldid=188548 * Miui * (+0) /* Brief \ Title colors: */ fix
01:51:58 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188553&oldid=187580 * Cordership * (+9)
01:59:11 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188554&oldid=188552 * Miui * (+294) /* Brief \ Title colors: */
02:00:16 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188555&oldid=188554 * Miui * (+0) /* Brief \ Title colors: */ fix
02:00:50 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188556&oldid=188555 * Miui * (+1) /* Other ingame color flags: */ different grey names
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02:46:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188558&oldid=188557 * Jan Pilavik * (+2) /* comments */
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04:21:01 <esolangs> [[Simplfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188560&oldid=188480 * Cordership * (+160) /* Examples */
04:21:14 <esolangs> [[Simplfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188561&oldid=188560 * Cordership * (+8) /* Looping counter */
04:21:23 <esolangs> [[Simplfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188562&oldid=188561 * Cordership * (+0) /* Categories */
04:44:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:Intiha]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188563 * Intiha * (+75) Created page with "# Talk page! Rules: No Swears, No Racism, No Sexism, etc ## ACTUAL talking:"
04:44:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Intiha]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188564&oldid=188563 * Intiha * (+11)
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06:14:53 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Stareye * New user account
06:17:50 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188568&oldid=188448 * Stareye * (+327) /* Introductions */
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06:44:51 <esolangs> [[Crochet]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188569 * Stareye * (+4554) Created page with "{{lang|a=User:Stareye}} It is designed to have an extremely minimal, highly structured syntax, as well as a consistent modal of computation, based on a high degree of parallelism. ==Language== Below is an example of a Crochet program which calculates the 20th fibonacc
06:48:04 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188570&oldid=188529 * Stareye * (+14) /* C */
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09:38:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188571&oldid=188536 * None1 * (+314) /* Polynomix support? */
09:42:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188572&oldid=188571 * None1 * (+71) /* Polynomix support? */
10:19:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188573&oldid=188572 * I am islptng * (+453)
10:19:47 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188574&oldid=188459 * Cordership * (-34) /* Joke */
10:20:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188575&oldid=188573 * I am islptng * (-41) /* Polynomix support? */
10:22:39 <esolangs> [[Deep]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188576&oldid=164613 * Cordership * (+110) /* Commands */
10:25:38 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188577&oldid=187143 * Cordership * (+63) /* Setlang */
10:29:45 <esolangs> [[JSON.lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188578&oldid=182748 * 5anz * (+105)
10:30:51 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188579&oldid=188503 * 5anz * (+17) /* Does this count as self modifying? */
10:31:52 <esolangs> [[Collatz Multiverse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188580&oldid=169818 * 5anz * (+18)
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10:34:12 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188581&oldid=188478 * Cordership * (+51) /* Syntax */
10:34:16 <esolangs> [[BitChanger Busy beaver]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188582&oldid=163081 * 5anz * (+10)
10:42:08 <esolangs> [[NOR machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188583&oldid=153820 * 5anz * (+131)
10:42:22 <esolangs> [[NOR machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188584&oldid=188583 * 5anz * (+0) /* I/O */
10:46:28 <esolangs> [[Simplfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188585&oldid=188562 * Cordership * (+40) /* Commands */
10:47:34 <esolangs> [[Simplfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188586&oldid=188585 * Cordership * (+160) /* Looping counter */
10:48:06 <esolangs> [[Simplfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188587&oldid=188586 * Cordership * (+2) /* Commands */
10:48:25 <esolangs> [[Simplfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188588&oldid=188587 * Cordership * (+8) /* Examples */
10:53:54 <esolangs> [[Simplfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188589&oldid=188588 * Cordership * (+590) /* Examples */
10:54:09 <esolangs> [[Simplfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188590&oldid=188589 * Cordership * (+13) /* XKCD Random Number */
10:56:24 <esolangs> [[LindenMASM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188591&oldid=44706 * 5anz * (+73)
10:58:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188592&oldid=188575 * None1 * (+420) /* Polynomix support? */ Adding a non-public domain interpreter would be a copyright violation.
11:38:22 <esolangs> [[Epsilon/Eta Function]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188593&oldid=188484 * ASCIIguy * (+139)
11:56:22 <int-e> Hmm MAM (ab)use: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-boring.jpg
12:00:04 <int-e> (shapez 2 has "jobs" where you're supposed to make shapes in exchange for "research credit", but they have another source of research credits that is far more fruitful (namely the operator level; it wasn't like that in the prerelease, they rebalanced the rewards to make late game research affordable but they clearly didn't account for the early game ramifications). So... I deliberately left...
12:00:10 <int-e> ...those for later to be done using the automated factory ("MAM") that makes ranbdomized shapes)
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12:08:08 <esolangs> [[Aardvark]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188594&oldid=107243 * Cordership * (+5)
12:08:35 <b_jonas> wait, how does this work, what are the rewards for operator levels vs research credit? does the former unlock the mandatory stuff, while the latter unlocks convenience stuff? and how do you earn platform limit?
12:09:52 <int-e> b_jonas: you have a "shop" where you can exchange "research credits" for upgrades. For example you start with a "half destroyer" that cuts of the west half of shapes. You can buy a cutter and a swapper for research credits.
12:09:56 <int-e> So it's a third thing.
12:11:29 <int-e> The main late game thing you can buy for research credits is a "shape multiplier" that means each delivered shape counts as sever shapes. It's expensive, and in the prerelease it would have been absurdly time-consuming to buy all of them. So rather than lowering the price for those upgrades, they increased the research credit reward from operator levels.
12:12:49 <b_jonas> how do you get speed upgrades?
12:13:08 <b_jonas> do research credits give you the train colors and other train stuff?
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12:14:48 <int-e> when you unlock trains you get red trains, and only shape transport. upgrades include colored trains (for routing, though tbh I mostly have point-to-point connections), fluid transport, and transfer stations (that can transfer between trains without going through space belts or pipes)
12:15:13 <int-e> wire layer buildings are also a thing you buy there
12:15:52 <int-e> It's a good mechanic, I think; it makes the progression less linear.
12:16:00 <b_jonas> I thought trains are always point to point in Shapez 2
12:16:13 <int-e> You can merge and split rails
12:16:14 <b_jonas> the multiple colors of trains just let you share rails between them
12:16:33 <int-e> you can decide which branch of a fork trains go with those train colors
12:16:37 <b_jonas> yes, merge rails, but each train route is point to point
12:17:30 <int-e> But I mean I keep rails separate. They are free in terms of the platform limit.
12:18:09 <b_jonas> and it looks like you can get a lot of those operator shapes with just a 2 layer MAM with no pins or crystals, so you can start to clear them early during building your MAM
12:18:15 <b_jonas> and almost all fit in three layers
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12:20:28 <int-e> Yeah but this is my... 3rd playthrough? I'm just putting down a blueprint for the MAM :P
12:20:48 <int-e> Maybe my 6th, depending how you count.
12:21:50 <b_jonas> so you're doing a casual fast playthrough
12:22:25 <int-e> "fast" -- it's closing in on 20 hours
12:23:11 <int-e> And I have "neglected" the fixed operator shapes. Only 3 out of 12 have factories.
12:24:35 <b_jonas> aren't more of them required to unlock basic mandatory stuff for your MAM? or do you not need that in this mode?
12:25:32 <int-e> Oh I *had* factories for those, but it was right next to the vortex
12:25:47 <int-e> so I removed them to make space for the next one
12:27:55 <int-e> that way I don't have to wait forever for production to travel from the factory to the vortex. and you don't really need a whole lot of operator levels to progress
12:29:24 <esolangs> [[Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188595&oldid=187903 * None1 * (+47) /* Introduction */ Add [[Ccc:cc]]
12:30:42 <int-e> b_jonas: I have overlap. I build to two sides of the vortex, so a milestone factory (making an operator shape) keeps running while I build the next one.
12:45:19 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188596&oldid=188470 * None1 * (+49) /* Commands */
12:58:05 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188597&oldid=188596 * None1 * (+375)
13:27:29 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188598&oldid=188597 * None1 * (+338)
13:31:18 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188599&oldid=188598 * None1 * (+122) /* Nilads */
13:34:22 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/ZephyrLang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188600 * PrySigneToFry * (+11509) Created page with "ZephyrLang is a JavaScript equivalent in Timeline 284436 by Asher Wrightley. = Volume 1: Basic Syntax = == Chapter 0: Our First Program == <pre> ui.boom("Hello, World!"); </pre> == Chapter 1: Data Storages == === Section 1: Data Typ
13:39:12 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188601&oldid=188599 * None1 * (+443) /* Commands */
13:40:07 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188602&oldid=188601 * None1 * (+5) /* Built-in Types */
13:44:52 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188603&oldid=188602 * None1 * (+672) /* Commands */
13:45:46 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188604&oldid=188603 * None1 * (+17) /* Types without template arguments */
13:50:32 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188605&oldid=188604 * None1 * (+625) /* Types with template arguments */
13:51:34 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188606&oldid=188605 * None1 * (+56) /* Types with template arguments */
13:53:08 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188607&oldid=188606 * None1 * (+45)
13:53:47 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188608&oldid=188607 * None1 * (-3608)
14:03:02 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188609 * None1 * (+4189) Created page with "{{lang|a=User:None1|i=[[Brain-Flak]] and [[brainf ck|brainf*ck]]}} It uses Itanium ABI mangled types as programs. ==Memory== It has a stack with unbounded integers. Popping from an empty stack results in 0. ==Commands== ===Built-in Types=== {| class="wikitable" ! Command !
14:03:16 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188610&oldid=188609 * None1 * (+10) /* Computational class */
14:03:30 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188611&oldid=188610 * None1 * (-10) /* Computational class */
14:06:41 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188612&oldid=188611 * None1 * (+164) /* Computational class */
14:07:35 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188613&oldid=188570 * None1 * (+13) /* T */
14:08:48 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188614&oldid=188191 * None1 * (+57)
14:09:34 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188615&oldid=188614 * None1 * (+8) /* My Esolangs */
14:11:08 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188616&oldid=188612 * None1 * (-72) /* Nested names */
14:18:50 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188617&oldid=188616 * None1 * (+834)
14:19:11 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188618&oldid=188617 * None1 * (+28) /* Hello, world! */
14:20:03 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (T-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188619&oldid=187135 * None1 * (+119) /* Turmin */
14:20:21 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (T-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188620&oldid=188619 * None1 * (-1) /* Typeid= */
14:22:04 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (B-C)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188621&oldid=176799 * None1 * (+9473) /* Chicken */
14:28:37 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mini-Flak]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188622 * None1 * (+377) Created page with "==Is there any rigorous proof?== Or is the proof so easy that it doesn't even need to be written down? --~~~~"
14:28:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mini-Flak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188623&oldid=188622 * None1 * (+7) /* Is there any rigorous proof? */
14:30:20 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188624&oldid=188618 * None1 * (-3) /* Examples */
14:32:08 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188625&oldid=188624 * None1 * (-26)
14:34:52 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188626&oldid=188625 * None1 * (+49)
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16:43:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mini-Flak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188627&oldid=188623 * PkmnQ * (+218) /* Is there any rigorous TCness proof? */
16:47:13 <esolangs> [[Mini-Flak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188628&oldid=120419 * PkmnQ * (+79) could maybe expand, but just adding a link for now
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18:13:36 <esolangs> [[Mallort]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188629 * Miui * (+2307) Created page with "Mallort is a joke esolang created by [[User:Miui]] which is blatantly plagiarized from [[User:None1]]. All it can do is allocating memory except you have to drink a shot of Mallort in the header comments. ==Syntax== Mallort has two commands - drink As well as the original
18:13:40 <int-e> b_jonas: re: trains being always point-to-point. Actually, no. A train has a fixed track that's either a loop or ends (and it'll got back under the rails). But you can have an arbitrary number of stops along the track or loop.
18:15:34 <int-e> I haven't used this for anything. But I have at least considered having a loop that collects resources to deliver to a final stop in a single train.
18:15:50 <esolangs> [[Mallort]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188630&oldid=188629 * Miui * (+14) /* Interpreters */
18:20:51 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188631&oldid=188556 * Miui * (+9648) draft is AI generated
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19:22:12 <esolangs> [[Wumbo-Flak]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188632 * PkmnQ * (+4098) Created page with "'''Wumbo-Flak''' is a derivative/minimisation of [[Brain-Flak]], but in a different manner to [[Mini-Flak]]. == Specification == Wumbo-Flak's main storage is two stacks of bits/booleans, one being "active" and the other being "inactive". Both stacks are initially an
20:10:48 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188633&oldid=188631 * Miui * (-2350) removing slop descriptions
20:20:07 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188634&oldid=188633 * Miui * (+0) fix link to base2e15text
20:57:29 <esolangs> [[My Whole Life]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188635&oldid=98849 * 5anz * (-1209) /* Commands */
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21:21:16 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188636&oldid=188634 * Miui * (+4316) /* Examples */ add contextual interpreter
21:22:46 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Color Dialogue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188637&oldid=188636 * Miui * (+69) add AI warning
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22:27:14 <esolangs> [[Mallort]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188638&oldid=188630 * Miui * (+6) change spelling to include umlaut
22:45:21 <esolangs> [[SLOW ACV MAMMALIAN]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188639&oldid=85439 * Bangyen * (-35) /* Examples */
22:55:05 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188640&oldid=188495 * Miui * (+408) /* miscellany */ added drafts section
22:56:32 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188641&oldid=188640 * Miui * (+68) /* drafts */ strike scraps
23:30:32 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188642&oldid=188641 * Miui * (+52) /* Data structures and concepts */ added Jack Cole's Murray Polygon to my attribs
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01:31:56 <esolangs> [[Lingua Indeterminatum/Implementation Draft]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188643 * PrySigneToFry * (+10945) Created page with "{{Back|Lingua Indeterminatum}} {{WIP}} <pre> #!/usr/bin/env python3 # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- """ A Tree-Walking Interpreter Framework for the Custom Language. EBNF-compliant core architecture. """ from __future__ import annotat
01:32:17 <esolangs> [[Lingua Indeterminatum/Implementation Draft]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188644&oldid=188643 * PrySigneToFry * (+39155)
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04:01:46 <esolangs> [[Color Dialog]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188646 * Miui * (+8485) Add language: Color Dialog
04:02:55 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188647&oldid=188613 * Miui * (+19) /* C */ Color Dialog
04:17:31 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188648&oldid=188642 * Miui * (+36) /* ai generated pages */ add Color Dialog
04:35:31 <esolangs> [[Color Dialog]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188649&oldid=188646 * Miui * (+417) /* Examples */ add collatz function
05:18:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188650&oldid=188558 * Jan Pilavik * (+164) /* comments */
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06:40:24 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (B-C)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188651&oldid=188621 * Miui * (+510) add Color Dialog Hello World
07:05:01 <esolangs> [[Wumbo-Flak]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188652&oldid=188632 * None1 * (-4) /* Specification */ I didn't see a third monad and nor did I see the [] command
07:06:16 <esolangs> [[Brain-Flak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188653&oldid=186825 * None1 * (+83)
07:15:55 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188654&oldid=188626 * None1 * (+24)
07:21:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:Malloc]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188655&oldid=142547 * None1 * (+386) /* Negative Numbers */
07:49:39 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188656&oldid=188579 * 5anz * (-373) /* Does this count as self modifying? */
08:49:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:Heapfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188657 * Miui * (+186) added online interpreter
08:51:11 <esolangs> [[Wumbo-Flak]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188658&oldid=188652 * PkmnQ * (+2) /* Specification */ keeping [] here for consistency with Mini-Flak (other one was a mistake though, thanks None1)
09:05:27 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188659&oldid=188084 * 5anz * (-52) /* Type 1 and Type 2 and Type 6 and Type 7 and Type 9 and Type 10 and Type 12 and Type 13 */
09:06:01 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188660&oldid=188659 * 5anz * (-19) /* Type 3 and Type 5 and Type 8 and Type 14 */
09:06:21 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188661&oldid=188660 * 5anz * (-4) /* Type 4 and Type 11 */
09:10:18 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188662&oldid=188656 * 5anz * (+113) /* 99 bottles of beer */
09:11:12 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188663&oldid=188662 * 5anz * (+23) /* Truth Machine */
09:13:54 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188664&oldid=188661 * 5anz * (+143) /* Clart */
09:16:35 <esolangs> [[False machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188665&oldid=181363 * 5anz * (+146) /* Implementations */
09:17:16 <esolangs> [[False machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188666&oldid=188665 * 5anz * (+0) /* Implementations */
10:31:19 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188667&oldid=188664 * Miui * (+152) /* Color Scheme */ add color dialog
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11:08:54 <esolangs> [[Positional]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188668&oldid=89588 * 5anz * (+10)
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11:50:09 <esolangs> [[Kolakoski sequence]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188669&oldid=187815 * Cordership * (+439) /* Sceql */
12:17:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brain-Flak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188670&oldid=146828 * None1 * (+387) /* Is it Turing Complete? */
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12:24:20 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188671&oldid=188654 * None1 * (+86) /* Examples */
12:29:18 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188672&oldid=188667 * None1 * (+35) /* TVM&OBJECT */
12:30:35 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188673&oldid=188671 * None1 * (+213) /* Computational class */
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13:31:25 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188674&oldid=188581 * Cordership * (-19) /* Syntax */
13:31:45 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188675&oldid=188674 * Cordership * (-3) /* Looping counter */
13:32:10 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188676&oldid=188675 * Cordership * (-3) /* Infinite loop */
13:39:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188677&oldid=188650 * Jan Pilavik * (+132) /* comments */
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13:58:49 <esolangs> [[2 digits, 50 digytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188678&oldid=183180 * Win7HE * (-7)
13:59:10 <esolangs> [[2 digits, 50 digytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188679&oldid=188678 * Win7HE * (-1)
14:11:10 <esolangs> [[Child]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188680&oldid=96892 * Win7HE * (+15)
14:11:47 <esolangs> [[Child]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188681&oldid=188680 * Win7HE * (+34)
14:18:24 <esolangs> [[Accufuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188682 * Win7HE * (+1242) Created page with "Accufuck is a [[brainfuck]] derivative by [[User:Win7HE]] with an accumulator. == Commands == The commands are: {| class="wikitable" !Command !Description |- | style="text-align:center"| <code>></code> |Move the pointer to the right |- | style="text-align:center"| <co
14:34:06 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188683&oldid=188676 * Cordership * (+40) /* Syntax */
14:34:25 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188684&oldid=188683 * Cordership * (+2) /* Syntax */
14:34:30 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Th3 * New user account
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15:15:52 <esolangs> [[Accufuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188686&oldid=188685 * Dragoneater67 * (+163)
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15:31:53 <esolangs> [[Kolakoski sequence]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188688&oldid=188669 * Miui * (+624) Color Dialog
15:38:32 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188689&oldid=188577 * Corbin * (-84) /* Setlang */ Incorrect; empty programs also work for [[Nope.]] and a few others.
15:40:27 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188690&oldid=188689 * None1 * (+91) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/188689|188689]] by [[Special:Contributions/Corbin|Corbin]] ([[User talk:Corbin|talk]]) (Not shorter than any other, but the shortest would be fine)
15:40:40 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188691&oldid=188690 * None1 * (+2) /* Setlang */
15:47:59 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188692&oldid=188691 * None1 * (+232) /* Lightswitch */ Add LLVM IR implementation
16:00:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Nelz * New user account
16:01:26 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188693&oldid=187929 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+16) /* General Ideas */
16:10:25 <esolangs> [[EHDL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188694 * Miui * (+30) redirect "Esoteric Hardware Description Language/EHDL" to Esoteric Verilog
16:31:08 <esolangs> [[Color Dialog]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188695&oldid=188649 * Miui * (-41) /* Player colors */ remove extraneaous notes. Lang is welcome to be improved.
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17:44:58 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188697&oldid=188693 * Miui * (+101) /* General Ideas */
19:11:06 <esolangs> [[Accufuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188698&oldid=188687 * Win7HE * (+296)
19:13:02 <esolangs> [[Accufuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188699&oldid=188698 * Win7HE * (+92)
19:16:22 <esolangs> [[Accufuck/Javascript implementation]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188700 * Win7HE * (+2921) Created page with " function accufuck(program,input){ var stack=[]; var matches={}; var ip=0; var tape=[]; var p=0; var output=''; var acc=0; var dump=''; var dumpnum=0; var dumpold=''; for(let i=0;i<30000;i++){
19:17:38 <esolangs> [[Accufuck/Javascript implementation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188701&oldid=188700 * Win7HE * (+177)
19:20:13 <esolangs> [[Accufuck/Javascript implementation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188702&oldid=188701 * Win7HE * (-292)
19:20:39 <esolangs> [[Accufuck/Javascript implementation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188703&oldid=188702 * Win7HE * (+0)
19:24:17 <esolangs> [[Accufuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188704&oldid=188699 * Win7HE * (+133) /* Examples */
19:29:38 <esolangs> [[Accufuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188705&oldid=188704 * Win7HE * (+52)
19:32:03 <esolangs> [[Accufuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188706&oldid=188705 * Win7HE * (+1)
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22:25:42 <esolangs> [[Ringfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188707 * Miui * (+3955) ringfuck
22:26:28 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188708&oldid=188647 * Miui * (+15) /* R */ ringfuck
22:34:39 <esolangs> [[Ringfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188709&oldid=188707 * Miui * (+1) fix tm
22:44:46 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188710&oldid=188708 * Miui * (+28) /* R */ add Ring-around-the-Rosie
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00:00:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Anend * New user account
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01:55:41 <esolangs> [[Brainlessfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188712&oldid=188501 * VIBaJ * (+0)
02:06:36 <esolangs> [[Brainlessfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188713&oldid=188712 * VIBaJ * (+0)
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06:08:45 <esolangs> [[Brainlessfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188715&oldid=188713 * VIBaJ * (+4267)
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06:21:10 <esolangs> [[Brainlessfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188716&oldid=188715 * VIBaJ * (+236)
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07:05:50 <esolangs> [[SunnyShell]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188717 * PrySigneToFry * (+6596) Created page with "SunnyShell is a shell-style programming language designed by PSTF. = Core Philosophy = * No text-munging by default. * Command after arguments. * Explicit over implicit. * Immutable by default. = Core Features = == The Stack & Data Types == You interact with
07:06:49 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188718&oldid=188710 * PrySigneToFry * (+17)
07:18:39 <esolangs> [[Invalid command or non-existent file detected: foo]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188719 * PrySigneToFry * (+970) Created page with "Another programming language in [[bash: foo: No such file or directory]] serie. Similar to [[Filename "xxx" doesn't seem to be a valid filename/commmand!]], it's also for fictional timelines. This is designed by PSTF and
07:32:16 <esolangs> [[Filename "xxx" doesn't seem to be a valid filename/commmand!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188720&oldid=187707 * Ractangle * (+245)
07:35:22 <esolangs> [[Template:Snakel]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188721&oldid=164908 * Ractangle * (+59) no more templagte H is needed ig
07:35:53 <esolangs> [[Template:Snakel]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188722&oldid=188721 * Ractangle * (+1) ok slightly addjusted it
07:38:54 <esolangs> [[Snakel]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188723&oldid=182827 * Ractangle * (-161) yay less {{h}}'s
07:39:28 <esolangs> [[Filename "xxx" doesn't seem to be a valid filename/commmand!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188724&oldid=188720 * Ractangle * (+3) /* Snakel */
07:41:32 <esolangs> [[MarkupL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188725&oldid=184810 * Ractangle * (-20)
07:41:34 <esolangs> [[Makeup]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188726&oldid=182835 * Ractangle * (-30)
07:43:03 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-S)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188727&oldid=188039 * Ractangle * (-4) /* Snakel */
07:44:32 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox/Comments]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188728&oldid=184465 * Ractangle * (-25) /* Snakel */
07:45:50 <esolangs> [[(mark]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188729&oldid=153003 * Ractangle * (-326) Redirected page to [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox/null#2]]
07:46:52 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox/null]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188730&oldid=180063 * Ractangle * (+329)
07:47:31 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188731&oldid=183477 * Ractangle * (+5) /* Stuff */
07:49:29 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188732&oldid=188731 * Ractangle * (-16) /* Planed implementations! */
07:50:25 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox/Kiosk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188733&oldid=177475 * Ractangle * (+20) /* Syntax */
08:03:22 <esolangs> [[Snakel]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188734&oldid=188723 * Dragoneater67 * (-1) fix typo
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08:41:57 <esolangs> [[SunnyShell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188735&oldid=188717 * Dragoneater67 * (+30)
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09:59:10 <esolangs> [[-]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188736 * Dragoneater67 * (+3189) new esolang!
10:02:48 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188737&oldid=188736 * Dragoneater67 * (-3) fix some typos and grammatical errors
10:06:01 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188738&oldid=188270 * Dragoneater67 * (+123) add new esolang to the list
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10:57:46 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188739&oldid=188737 * Dragoneater67 * (+54) improve code readability
11:01:22 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188740&oldid=188739 * Dragoneater67 * (+2) fix code
11:12:32 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188741&oldid=188740 * Dragoneater67 * (-4) fix grammar
11:14:06 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188742&oldid=188741 * Dragoneater67 * (+58) clarify
11:19:20 <esolangs> [[-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188743&oldid=188742 * Dragoneater67 * (+170) add cat program
11:20:19 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188744&oldid=188743 * Dragoneater67 * (+33) add an important note
11:34:33 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188745&oldid=188744 * Dragoneater67 * (+0) fix typo
11:38:16 <esolangs> [[-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188746&oldid=188745 * Dragoneater67 * (-261) remove redundant magic
11:40:47 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188747&oldid=188746 * Dragoneater67 * (+5) fix
11:55:55 <esolangs> [[-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188748&oldid=188747 * Dragoneater67 * (+41) i forgor that i exists
12:21:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188749 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+86) Created page with "its proven two turing incomplete things can be complete IIRC, see [[Along and Across]]"
12:21:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188750&oldid=188749 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+136)
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12:39:50 <int-e> fungot: belatedly, how was the weekend?
12:39:50 <fungot> int-e: movie on the self environment. things like ( queue ' operation elt)
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12:49:02 <fizzie> fungot: Oh, you watched a movie? Was it any good?
12:49:02 <fungot> fizzie: i vaguely recall having heard any of them take less than an hour to fall asleep
12:49:20 <fizzie> Guess that's maybe a no then.
12:57:13 <b_jonas> fungot: was it the Odyssey or Momo?
12:57:13 <fungot> b_jonas: another archon, no idea
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13:19:50 <zemhill_> web.SweepingTime: points -20.19, score 7.83, rank 47/47
13:22:54 <fizzie> I mean, not specifically the score, just the fact that someone actually used it.
13:23:00 <fizzie> I'm surprised that's even still functions somehow.
13:25:02 <fizzie> More like sordid engi-whatsit.
13:26:05 <fizzie> It's a pile of hastily cobbled-together pieces held together by hope.
13:27:57 <fizzie> There is a solidly engineered from-scratch rewrite, but it's not actually complete yet, and I've not touched it since... October 2025, apparently.
13:28:01 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188751&oldid=188684 * Cordership * (+201) /* Syntax */
13:28:57 <esolangs> [[SunnyShell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188752&oldid=188735 * PrySigneToFry * (+23)
13:30:51 <fizzie> Had a look at the screen window the current thing is running in, and it's printed a "deprecation warning" related to that web submission. "Beginning with version 2.2.0, Channel#msg should not be used anymore. Use Channel#send instead."
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13:40:19 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188753&oldid=188751 * Cordership * (+91) /* Syntax */
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14:20:55 <esolangs> [[-/Turing-completeness proof]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188754 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+514) Created page with "{{WIP}} - can be reduced to a cyclic tag system. == Example == This program will be transpiled into a - program: 01; Contents of <code>ct.</code>: <pre> } 2 [ ! 0 ] } 3 [ ! 1 ] } 4 [ ' 0 ] } 0 [ ( 0 ' 1 ] } 1 [ ( 1 ] ! 1
14:21:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188755&oldid=188750 * Blashyrkh * (+447) /* Please add single-file mode */ new section
14:21:35 <esolangs> [[-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188756&oldid=188748 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+0) /* */ prolly an error
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14:26:29 <esolangs> [[-/Turing-completeness proof]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188757&oldid=188754 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+317) /* Example */ explain
14:37:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:-/Turing-completeness proof]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188758 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+223) Created page with "the garbage can be excused. for halting, IIRC a halting symbol can "Just" be added to make it halt but idk --~~~~"
14:50:05 <HackEso> The password of the month must be at most 7 characters long, must contain only one type of character (uppercase letter, lowercase letter, number, symbol), must be a common dictionary word, and must not be changed more frequently than once a month.
14:51:29 <int-e> one of these is actually good advice.
14:52:17 <int-e> Uh do they still make rip-off calendars with one leaf per day?
14:52:28 <int-e> It would be funny if they made one with passwords. ;-)
14:52:32 <int-e> For so many reasons.
15:01:10 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188759&oldid=188756 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-1) /* */
15:01:23 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188760&oldid=188759 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+1) /* */
15:18:25 <esolangs> [[-/Turing-completeness proof]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188761&oldid=188757 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+118) clarify
15:18:46 <esolangs> [[-/Turing-completeness proof]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188762&oldid=188761 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+5) /* Example */
15:28:03 <esolangs> [[Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188763&oldid=188469 * Bobby Jacobs * (-1) capitalize
15:28:18 <esolangs> [[-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188764&oldid=188760 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+39) /* Cat program */ yea idk I think so
15:33:55 <esolangs> [[-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188765&oldid=188764 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+189) add truth machine
15:34:33 <esolangs> [[-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188766&oldid=188765 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+49) clarify
15:40:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:-/Turing-completeness proof]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188767&oldid=188758 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+232)
15:41:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:-/Turing-completeness proof]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188768&oldid=188767 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+2)
15:47:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188769&oldid=188755 * Blashyrkh * (+149) /* Input EOF */ new section
15:55:35 <esolangs> [[BreadCo314]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188770 * Miui * (+22358) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=BreadCo314 |author=[[User:Miui]] |year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] |memsys=[[:Category:Cell-based|Cell-based]] |class=[[:Category:Finite state automata|Finite state automata]] |majorimpl=Unimplemented }} '''BreadCo314''' is a joke language in which
16:01:58 <esolangs> [[BreadCo314]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188771&oldid=188770 * Miui * (+36) add ai thing
16:17:08 <esolangs> [[BreadCo314]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188772&oldid=188771 * Miui * (+18) /* External resources */ add interpreter
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16:18:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188773&oldid=188769 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+123) /* Input EOF */
16:25:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188774&oldid=188773 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+199)
16:39:24 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188775&oldid=188181 * Hotcrystal0 * (+108) /* P2-8 */
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17:01:18 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188776&oldid=188775 * Hotcrystal0 * (-5) /* P2-8 */
17:04:26 <esolangs> [[QuineFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188777&oldid=113361 * 5anz * (+1975) /* Example Programs */
17:04:46 <esolangs> [[QuineFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188778&oldid=188777 * 5anz * (+48) /* Interpreter */
17:26:10 <esolangs> [[BreadCo314]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188779&oldid=188772 * Miui * (-34) lol
17:26:43 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188780&oldid=188648 * Miui * (+31) /* ai generated pages */
17:31:34 <esolangs> [[-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188781&oldid=188766 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+106) clarify edge cases
17:34:00 <esolangs> [[-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188782&oldid=188781 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+170)
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18:41:49 <zemhill_> web.yipwire: points -31.38, score 4.09, rank 47/47
18:41:50 <zemhill_> web.yipwire: points -31.38, score 4.09, rank 47/47 (--)
18:41:51 <zemhill_> web.yipwire: points -31.38, score 4.09, rank 47/47 (--)
18:41:53 <zemhill_> web.yipwire: points -31.38, score 4.09, rank 47/47 (--)
18:42:07 <zemhill_> web.yipwire: points -31.52, score 4.05, rank 47/47 (--)
18:42:19 <zemhill_> web.yipwire: points -31.38, score 4.09, rank 47/47 (--)
18:42:43 <zemhill_> web.yipwire: points -28.93, score 2.52, rank 47/47 (--)
18:43:29 <zemhill_> web.yipwire: points -14.38, score 10.34, rank 47/47 (--)
18:43:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188783&oldid=188774 * Blashyrkh * (+363) /* Weird name */ new section
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18:44:48 <zemhill_> web.learningBFJoust: points 0.10, score 20.22, rank 18/47
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18:55:01 <esolangs> [[User:GimmickCellar]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188784&oldid=187639 * GimmickCellar * (+0) GimmickCellar changed the content model of the page [[User:GimmickCellar]] from "wikitext" to "plain text": it'd be mad funny
18:55:01 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/contentmodel]] change * GimmickCellar * GimmickCellar changed the content model of the page [[User:GimmickCellar]] from "wikitext" to "plain text": it'd be mad funny
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19:03:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188785&oldid=188783 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+212) /* Weird name */
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20:30:49 <esolangs> [[RiGgED lOtTerY]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188787 * Hotcrystal0 * (+81) Redirected page to [[ ]]
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22:12:57 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188788&oldid=188776 * Hotcrystal0 * (-444) unnecessary
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22:21:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188789&oldid=188786 * Blashyrkh * (+99) /* Please add single-file mode */
22:34:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188790&oldid=188789 * Blashyrkh * (+764) /* Posting signal if it's already being handled */ new section
22:41:16 <esolangs> [[Angelfrick]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188791 * Acidbytes.h * (+16610) It is the most painful Brainf**k substitute to exist.
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00:38:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Kid4games * New user account
00:45:36 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188792&oldid=188568 * Kid4games * (+241)
00:48:59 <esolangs> [[User talk:Kid4games]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188793 * Kid4games * (+178) Created page with "I like esolangs! They're fun, not difficult '''AT ALL''', and easy to play around with. --~~~~"
00:56:12 <esolangs> [[User:Kid4games]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188794 * Kid4games * (+176) i like turtles
00:57:14 <esolangs> [[User talk:Kid4games]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188795&oldid=188793 * I am islptng * (+131)
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02:00:57 <esolangs> [[Double free]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188796 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+2334) "Wanna see something stupid?"
02:01:24 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/InDev/Dafne]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188797&oldid=186592 * Miui * (-2194) bad sketch imo
02:02:05 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188798&oldid=188780 * Miui * (+41) /* drafts */
02:05:40 <esolangs> [[Double free]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188799&oldid=188796 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+377) /* Examples */
02:08:26 <esolangs> [[Double free]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188800&oldid=188799 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+175) clarify
02:11:52 <esolangs> [[Mindcrap]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188801 * Kid4games * (+1521) Created page with "==Introduction== Mindcrap is yet another [[Brainfuck]] extension. Mindcrap was first called [[Braincrap]], and then [[Brainshit]], and then [[Mindshit]], but all of those already existed. This language was created by Kid4Games when they thought: What if Brainfuck
02:15:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:Kid4games]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188802&oldid=188795 * Kid4games * (+104)
02:24:47 <esolangs> [[Double free]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188803&oldid=188800 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+0) It's August 12.
02:26:03 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188804&oldid=187613 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+238)
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02:41:44 <esolangs> [[Mindcrap]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188805&oldid=188801 * Kid4games * (+91) /* Flaws and Quirks */
02:45:39 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188806&oldid=188718 * Kid4games * (+15)
02:51:06 <esolangs> [[Mindcrap]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188807&oldid=188805 * Kid4games * (+19) added category: 2026
02:51:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mindcrap]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188808 * Miui * (+70) Created page with "Can you make an interpreter for [[Pythong]] idk how to use windows one"
02:51:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mindcrap]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188809&oldid=188808 * Miui * (+73)
02:54:14 <esolangs> [[Filename "xxx" doesn't seem to be a valid filename/commmand!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188810&oldid=188724 * PrySigneToFry * (+121)
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03:10:57 <esolangs> [[User talk:Kid4games]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188812&oldid=188802 * GUAqwq * (+122)
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04:31:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Color Scheme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188813&oldid=188493 * Miui * (+155)
04:38:38 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Color Scheme.png]]"
04:38:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Color Scheme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188815&oldid=188813 * Miui * (+36) /* Pepe */
04:38:48 <esolangs> [[Double free]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188816&oldid=188803 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+6) /* Examples */ oops
04:38:50 <esolangs> [[Talk:Color Scheme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188817&oldid=188815 * Miui * (-1) /* Pepe */
04:39:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Color Scheme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188818&oldid=188817 * Miui * (+5) /* Pepe */ Color Scheme in Color Scheme pepe
04:39:47 <esolangs> [[Talk:Color Scheme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188819&oldid=188818 * Miui * (+1) /* Pepe */ fix quote block
04:43:06 <zzo38> Something else that seems to help a little bit with compressing indexed colour pictures is to have a command for a run of copying whatever is the most recent pixel value that had the same pixel above that this one does, not counting the same value.
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05:22:14 <esolangs> [[Brainlessfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188820&oldid=188716 * VIBaJ * (+1372)
05:24:14 <esolangs> [[99 bottles of beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188821&oldid=188473 * Jan Ala * (+3462)
05:24:56 <zzo38> Can it be improved without overly complicating it?
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05:43:52 <esolangs> [[-/Turing-completeness proof]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188823&oldid=188762 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+147) /* Example */
05:45:07 <esolangs> [[-/Turing-completeness proof]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188824&oldid=188823 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+80) /* Example */
05:49:05 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188825&oldid=188692 * Jan Ala * (+109)
05:55:48 <esolangs> [[99 bottles of beer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188826&oldid=188821 * I am islptng * (+86) /* Polynomix */
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06:08:08 <esolangs> [[-/Turing-completeness proof]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188827&oldid=188824 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+20) finalize
06:08:27 <esolangs> [[-/Turing-completeness proof]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188828&oldid=188827 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+1)
06:11:10 <esolangs> [[-/Turing-completeness proof]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188829&oldid=188828 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-15) /* Example */ remove redundant parts
06:13:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188830&oldid=188790 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+125) /* Posting signal if it's already being handled */
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06:26:56 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188834&oldid=188551 * Jan Pilavik * (+54) /* article */
06:28:11 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188835&oldid=188834 * Jan Pilavik * (+22) /* article */
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06:42:28 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188837&oldid=188615 * None1 * (+69) /* My Accounts */
06:42:59 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188838&oldid=188837 * None1 * (-5) /* My Accounts */
06:58:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188839&oldid=188836 * Blashyrkh * (+843) /* Posting signal if it's already being handled */
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08:18:32 <esolangs> [[D.E.A.T.H.]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188841 * Miui * (+15106) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=D.E.A.T.H. |paradigms=[[:Category:Imperative paradigm|Imperative]], concurrent, adversarial |author=[[User:Miui]] |year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] |memsys=[[:Category:Cell-based|Cell-based]], shared core |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|Turing c
08:20:34 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188842&oldid=182955 * Miui * (+194)
08:28:48 <esolangs> [[D.E.A.T.H.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188843&oldid=188841 * Miui * (+69) /* The Gallery */
08:29:24 <esolangs> [[D.E.A.T.H.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188844&oldid=188843 * Miui * (+5) /* The Gallery */
08:31:04 <esolangs> [[D.E.A.T.H.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188845&oldid=188844 * Miui * (+30) tag slop
08:32:00 <esolangs> [[TokiUnpa]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188846 * Jan Ala * (+6979) Created page with "TokiUnpa is an esoteric programming language that uses only one keyword: "unpa". Different text styles (bold, italic, underline, and color) encode different instructions. All data are 32-bit signed integers. == Overview == TokiUnpa is a stack-based virtual machine l
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08:49:16 <esolangs> [[ITBCT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188847&oldid=188244 * Miui * (+29) file under: joke
08:59:20 <esolangs> [[TokiUnpa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188848&oldid=188846 * Jan Ala * (+4)
09:00:46 <esolangs> [[User talk:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188849&oldid=188486 * I am islptng * (+187) /* Please proceed below(any language) */
09:07:56 <esolangs> [[-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188850&oldid=188831 * Dragoneater67 * (+157) add infinite loop
09:16:32 <esolangs> [[-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188851&oldid=188850 * Dragoneater67 * (+168) add 4
09:19:59 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188852&oldid=188851 * Dragoneater67 * (-4) fix filenames
09:24:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188853&oldid=188840 * Blashyrkh * (+192) /* XKCD Random Number - why to do it signal-driven? */ new section
09:28:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188854&oldid=188853 * Dragoneater67 * (+221)
09:29:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188855&oldid=188854 * Blashyrkh * (+148) /* XKCD Random Number - why to do it signal-driven? */
09:30:17 <APic> Celebrate Zaraday; Hail Eris! 😇
09:43:48 <esolangs> [[D.E.A.T.H.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188856&oldid=188845 * Miui * (+0) /* Zero */ New king its just a guy named Zach who never did anything longer
09:44:51 <esolangs> [[D.E.A.T.H.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188857&oldid=188856 * Miui * (+4) /* Zach */ coolest
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09:53:22 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188858&oldid=188210 * Ractangle * (-53) simplified the instruction descriptions i guess
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10:12:33 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188859&oldid=188811 * Miui * (+33) /* ai generated pages */
10:29:15 <esolangs> [[D.E.A.T.H.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188860&oldid=188857 * Miui * (+3) goto oriented
10:54:04 <esolangs> [[D.E.A.T.H.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188861&oldid=188860 * Miui * (+6) Zach
11:03:44 <esolangs> [[D.E.A.T.H.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188862&oldid=188861 * Miui * (-18) remove redcat
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11:42:11 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188864&oldid=188753 * Cordership * (+251) /* Syntax */
11:42:55 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188865&oldid=188864 * Cordership * (-1) /* Syntax */
11:45:28 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188866&oldid=188865 * Cordership * (+139) /* Syntax */
11:46:40 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188867&oldid=188866 * Cordership * (-39) /* Syntax */
11:47:16 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188868&oldid=188867 * Cordership * (-19) /* Syntax */
12:24:53 <esolangs> [[D.E.A.T.H.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188869&oldid=188862 * Miui * (+165) /* The Gallery */
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13:08:20 <esolangs> [[Anti-Crystal Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188870&oldid=187700 * Cordership * (-33)
13:14:40 <esolangs> [[Double free]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188871&oldid=188816 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+85) /* Syntax and semantics */
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13:16:56 <esolangs> [[Double free]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188872&oldid=188871 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+152) /* Examples */
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13:25:47 <esolangs> [[Cat program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188873&oldid=138274 * Cordership * (+20) /* Reverse cat */
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13:29:25 <esolangs> [[Mixed allocators]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188874 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+2187) Created page with " {{infobox proglang | author = [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] | year = [[:Category:2026|2026]] | class = Below combinational logic | influence = [[Malloc]], [[Double free]] }} '''Mixed allocators''' is an esoteric programming language made by [[User:
13:29:27 <esolangs> [[Double free]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188875&oldid=188872 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+156)
13:31:39 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188876&oldid=188804 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+263) /* mesmerizer */
13:33:51 <esolangs> [[Cat program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188877&oldid=188873 * Cordership * (+28037) /* Implementations */
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13:45:31 <esolangs> [[Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188878&oldid=188595 * None1 * (+10) /* Introduction */ [[ORK]] now supported!
13:49:09 <esolangs> [[BF Joust]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188879&oldid=147540 * None1 * (+6) /* External resources */
13:50:12 <esolangs> [[^English/MORE PROGRAM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188880&oldid=165136 * Cordership * (+3738) /* BrainFuck Interpretor */
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13:51:12 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188881&oldid=188876 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+304) /* The Double free family */
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13:54:13 <esolangs> [[Double free]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188882&oldid=188875 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+259)
13:54:50 <esolangs> [[Mixed allocators]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188883&oldid=188874 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+22)
13:55:27 <esolangs> [[^English/MORE PROGRAM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188884&oldid=188880 * Cordership * (+301) /* BrainFuck Interpretor */
13:55:43 <esolangs> [[^English/MORE PROGRAM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188885&oldid=188884 * Cordership * (+6) /* Deadfish interpreter */
14:05:36 <esolangs> [[^English/MORE PROGRAM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188886&oldid=188885 * Cordership * (+4) /* Simpl interpreter */
14:06:20 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188887&oldid=188868 * Cordership * (+180) /* 99 bottles of beer on the wall */
14:09:08 <esolangs> [[User talk:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188888&oldid=188849 * Jan Pilavik * (+190) /* Please proceed below(any language) */
14:09:58 <esolangs> [[EnglishNEW]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188889 * Cordership * (+1448) Created page with "EnglishNEW is an esoteric programming language by [[User:Cordership]]. Programs are written as their own descriptions. == Examples == ===[[Cat program]]=== <pre> Receive user input, then print it to the screen. </pre> ===[[Quine]]=== <pre> Print this sentence to t
14:10:21 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188890&oldid=188481 * Cordership * (+17) /* Esolangs */
14:25:59 <esolangs> [[Double free]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188891&oldid=188882 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+492) Fix Double free so I can actually make sense of it
14:26:20 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188892 * Jan Pilavik * (+3672) Created page with "__NOTOC__ '''Pyon''' is an esoteric programming language that uses only four characters: <code></code>, <code>=</code>, <code>[</code>, and <code>]</code>. The name is derived from Python. == Syntax & Characters == The language strictly consists of only four characte
14:26:49 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188893&oldid=188892 * Jan Pilavik * (-4) /* Code Example */
14:30:25 <esolangs> [[Double free]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188894&oldid=188891 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+376) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
14:30:53 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188895&oldid=188893 * Jan Pilavik * (+272)
14:33:41 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188896&oldid=188895 * Jan Pilavik * (+48) /* Code Example */
14:33:55 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188897&oldid=188896 * Jan Pilavik * (-10)
14:34:45 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188898&oldid=188897 * Jan Pilavik * (+176)
14:34:47 <esolangs> [[Mixed allocators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188899&oldid=188883 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-396) Modify in accordance to the recent changes to Double free
14:35:25 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188900&oldid=188467 * Jan Pilavik * (-29)
14:35:29 <esolangs> [[Double free]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188901&oldid=188894 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+2) /* Examples */
14:35:46 <esolangs> [[ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188902&oldid=188900 * Jan Pilavik * (+29)
14:36:07 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188903&oldid=188898 * Jan Pilavik * (+73)
14:37:14 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188904&oldid=188835 * Jan Pilavik * (+26) /* article */
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14:46:29 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188905&oldid=188904 * Jan Pilavik * (+78)
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14:51:48 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188906&oldid=188903 * Jan Pilavik * (+37) /* Initial State */
14:53:45 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188907&oldid=188906 * Jan Pilavik * (+53) /* Initial State */
14:58:23 <esolangs> [[Double free]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188908&oldid=188901 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-4) Very sound logic there
14:59:24 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188909&oldid=188907 * Jan Pilavik * (-15) /* function (made by User:Jan_Pilavik) */
14:59:57 <esolangs> [[Use-after-free]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188910 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+3377) This genuinely forced me to refine Double free and Mixed allocators
15:01:57 <b_jonas> re games esolangs play. remember the game Portal Snake https://bcat112a.itch.io/portalsnake that seemed interesting and has game mechanics that looked like you could do a lot with them, but it's a game jam game made in a few days so it's very short with too few levels? apparently now there's a full game based on it. I don't know anything about the full game yet.
15:02:18 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188911&oldid=188881 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+221) /* mesmerizer */
15:12:23 <esolangs> [[Accufuck/intarp-interpreter]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188912 * Win7HE * (+2697) Created page with "function accufuck(program,input){ var stack=[]; var matches={}; var ip=0; var tape=[]; var p=0; var output=''; var acc=0; var dump=''; var dumpnum=0; var dumpold=''; for(let i=0;i<30000;i++){ tape.push(0); }
15:14:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:ONLY STACK mini]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188913&oldid=188677 * Jan Pilavik * (+120) /* comments */
15:16:42 <esolangs> [[ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188914&oldid=187863 * None1 * (+3575) /* Examples */
15:17:21 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188915&oldid=188905 * Jan Pilavik * (+74) /* Languages */
15:18:19 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188916&oldid=188915 * Jan Pilavik * (+4) /* Languages */
15:23:18 <esolangs> [[Accufuck/intarp-fname]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188917 * Win7HE * (+11) Created page with "accufuck.js"
15:44:19 <esolangs> [[^English/MORE PROGRAM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188918&oldid=188886 * PrySigneToFry * (+787)
15:45:37 <esolangs> [[Talk:EnglishNEW]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188919 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+173) Created page with "whats the difference between this and [[English]]???? --~~~~"
15:52:59 <esolangs> [[English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188920&oldid=185381 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-2)
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18:07:45 <esolangs> [[Angelfrick--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188923&oldid=188921 * Corbin * (+29) Tag slop.
18:12:15 <esolangs> [[Angelfrick]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188924&oldid=188822 * Corbin * (-657) Identify trivial BF substitution. They keep getting more pretentious.
18:14:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188925&oldid=188855 * Blashyrkh * (+247) /* Whitespace and linefeeds */ new section
18:16:11 <esolangs> [[Angelfrick--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188926&oldid=188923 * Corbin * (+32) Identify trivial BF substitution.
18:21:03 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188927&oldid=188859 * Miui * (+14) /* esolangs */
18:50:51 <HackEso> 1/1:1041) <katla> i guess this game is what you get if you remove everything good from super metroid then try to make a game out of whats left \ 721) <zzo38> A lot of things happened; not only me, but also you
18:55:58 <korvo> Oh no, don't remove R-mode~ Please don't take the glitches out of X-ray Scope~ Please don't take away out-of-bounds blocks~
19:03:50 <int-e> context: https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2013-06-24.html#ltm
19:05:38 <korvo> Aha. Makes sense. I thought it was something like Kaizo Super Metroid.
19:28:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188928&oldid=171678 * Hotcrystal0 * (+178)
19:29:54 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox/OotT ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188929&oldid=164111 * Hotcrystal0 * (-977) Replaced content with "Unnecessary page."
19:30:20 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox/OotT ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188930&oldid=188929 * Hotcrystal0 * (+71)
19:41:41 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188931&oldid=188788 * Hotcrystal0 * (+35)
19:50:42 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188932&oldid=188909 * Jan Pilavik * (+50) /* Initial State */
19:51:08 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188933&oldid=188932 * Jan Pilavik * (+8) /* Initial State */
19:55:16 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188934&oldid=188933 * Jan Pilavik * (+18) /* Instructions */
19:55:36 <esolangs> [[Pyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188935&oldid=188934 * Jan Pilavik * (+5) /* Initial State */
20:23:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:BreadCo314]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188936 * Miui * (+1345) prompt topic
20:32:42 <esolangs> [[Ringfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188937&oldid=188709 * Miui * (+8) add stub template. This article is not detailed enough but I am not able to describe it myself.
20:42:07 <esolangs> [[BreadCo314]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188938&oldid=188779 * Corbin * (+29) Tag slop.
21:02:02 <esolangs> [[Esme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188939&oldid=181187 * 5anz * (-22) /* Implementations */
21:02:43 <esolangs> [[Boringscript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188940&oldid=161456 * 5anz * (-39) /* Categories */
21:05:06 <esolangs> [[EsoGPT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188941&oldid=179840 * 5anz * (+7) /* Programs */
21:06:25 <esolangs> [[Switchboard]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188942&oldid=164971 * 5anz * (-17) /* Integer boards */
21:07:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:Danieland!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188943&oldid=183293 * 5anz * (-19)
21:24:43 <esolangs> [[S*bleq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188944&oldid=177966 * Bangyen * (+99)
21:25:22 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188945&oldid=187389 * Splot-dev * (+52) Whizz is inspired by Brainf
21:26:14 <esolangs> [[User:Bangyen]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188946&oldid=188534 * Bangyen * (+13) /* Implementations */
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21:32:06 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188947&oldid=179736 * Splot-dev * (+270) Added splotbf interpreter.
21:32:49 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188948&oldid=188947 * Splot-dev * (+16) Added 'straightforward' cause it is.
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21:33:51 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188949&oldid=188948 * Splot-dev * (+6) Better URL for accessibility
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21:44:44 <esolangs> [[ArrowQueue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188951&oldid=165070 * Bangyen * (+103)
21:45:04 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188952&oldid=185292 * Splot-dev * (+0) Fixed a spelling mistake.
21:45:19 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188953&oldid=188952 * Splot-dev * (-1) Sorry _now_ I fixed it.
21:48:52 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188954&oldid=171665 * Splot-dev * (+170) Expanded on my stuff
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22:00:38 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188956&oldid=188949 * Splot-dev * (-6) #readme instead of #implementation for splotbf URL.
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01:23:56 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188958&oldid=188922 * Miui * (+108) /* tl;dr */
01:27:03 <esolangs> [[Polynomix/Symbols]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188959&oldid=188863 * I am islptng * (+1071)
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02:12:53 <esolangs> [[Esme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188961&oldid=188939 * Salpynx * (+22) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/188939|188939]] by [[Special:Contributions/5anz|5anz]] ([[User talk:5anz|talk]])
02:20:15 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188962&oldid=186555 * Miui * (-3399) cleaning drafts
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02:22:09 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Dafne et pornon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188965&oldid=184104 * Miui * (-944) cleaning drafts
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03:24:41 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188967&oldid=188672 * Miui * (+1726) /* Implementations */ tic-tac-toe
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04:00:53 <esolangs> [[BackroomsTDP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188968&oldid=184092 * Miui * (-3268) just interpreter, attempting to contextualize anything i do is never appreciated here
04:04:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:BackroomsTDP]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188969 * Miui * (+171) Created page with "inb4 someone drops a "terrible riff that doesnt understand" about why this isnt some type of thing ~~~~"
04:26:33 <esolangs> [[Invalid command or non-existent file detected: foo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188970&oldid=188719 * PrySigneToFry * (+926)
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06:41:00 <esolangs> [[Mkhedruli]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188972 * PrySigneToFry * (+9711) Created page with ":''This entry has nothing to do with Georgian language.'' Mkhedruli is a programming language designed by PSTF. = Overview = It is a programming language that bridges the expressive, array-oriented power of Jelly and APL with the syntactic clarity of modern pra
06:45:25 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188973&oldid=188950 * None1 * (+665)
07:02:27 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188974&oldid=188967 * Ractangle * (-1726) bro just copied the top and bottom sections :sob:
07:05:11 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188975&oldid=188806 * PrySigneToFry * (+16)
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08:32:20 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188977&oldid=188852 * Dragoneater67 * (+79) misc changes
09:29:38 <esolangs> [[Talk:ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188978&oldid=37188 * None1 * (+617) /* Pointers */ new section
09:31:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188979&oldid=188978 * None1 * (-4) /* Pointers */
09:42:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188980&oldid=188979 * None1 * (+421) /* Computational Class */
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10:27:55 <esolangs> [[Mkhedruli]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188981&oldid=188972 * Dragoneater67 * (-52) well duh
10:28:04 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * RandomAnonyomous * New user account
10:32:06 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188982&oldid=188792 * RandomAnonyomous * (+129) /* Introductions */
10:37:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188983&oldid=188980 * None1 * (-421) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/188980|188980]] by [[Special:Contributions/None1|None1]] ([[User talk:None1|talk]]) I can answer these questions myself after I read the original doc
10:37:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188984&oldid=188983 * None1 * (+4) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/188979|188979]] by [[Special:Contributions/None1|None1]] ([[User talk:None1|talk]])
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10:40:26 <lisbeths> void subleq(int*m){int t=*m;*m=(m[m[t+1]]-=m[m[t]])<1?m[t+2]:t+3;}//copyright john morris beck 2026 gpl2
12:01:24 <esolangs> [[User talk:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188986&oldid=186170 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+294) /* chess battle advanced */
12:12:32 <esolangs> [[Dimensional]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188987&oldid=156292 * Bangyen * (+35)
12:38:28 <esolangs> [[Coders Coding Coders]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188988&oldid=188663 * 5anz * (+0) /* Truth Machine */
12:39:10 <lisbeths> new fastspungus language (uses subleq instead of common spungus) https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/YtEcPXkG
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13:31:10 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188990&oldid=188887 * Cordership * (+127) /* Syntax */
13:40:17 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188991&oldid=188990 * Cordership * (+186) /* Sgn Machine */
14:02:43 <esolangs> [[ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188992&oldid=188515 * ViktorChampion * (+162)
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14:17:45 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188995&oldid=188738 * Dragoneater67 * (-322) remove redundant info
14:50:10 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Verification]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188996 * Qazwsxplm * (+4358) Created page with "==Context== [https://weirdgloop.org/blog/clankers It kind of sucks to run wikis now.] Ours runs on fairly limited, donated resources, which used to be fine for the amount of human and well-behaved crawler traffic we had. Nowadays, though, the system is pe
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14:51:36 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Verification]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188998 * Qazwsxplm * (+132) Created page with "just created a articl about verification page~~~~"
14:53:17 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Verification]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188999&oldid=188997 * Qazwsxplm * (+12) /* Context */
15:00:28 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Verification]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189000&oldid=188998 * Blashyrkh * (+199)
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15:14:00 <esolangs> [[ASCII]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189005&oldid=146803 * Qazwsxplm * (-96)
15:29:30 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189006&oldid=188954 * Splot-dev * (-25) Changed link
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15:42:13 <esolangs> [[Mkhedruli]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189008&oldid=188981 * 5anz * (-16) /* Categories */
15:43:05 <esolangs> [[User:Iddi01]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189009&oldid=165764 * 5anz * (-561) /* Semi-serious language list */
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15:48:09 <esolangs> [[Langit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189012&oldid=183294 * 5anz * (-11)
15:52:29 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/hjhjhj]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189013&oldid=189007 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+0) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/189007|189007]] by [[Special:Contributions/5anz|5anz]] ([[User talk:5anz|talk]]) dont edit others' userpages
16:02:43 <esolangs> [[Windy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189014&oldid=183163 * 5anz * (-21) /* External resources */
16:03:51 <esolangs> [[Esme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189015&oldid=188961 * 5anz * (-22) /* Implementations */
16:05:24 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189016&oldid=188931 * Hotcrystal0 * (+60)
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16:14:14 <esolangs> [[User:5anz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189019&oldid=188432 * 5anz * (-821) /* Why are your captchas like that? */
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16:21:00 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189021&oldid=189020 * 5anz * (-72) /* Sandbox */
16:28:25 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189022&oldid=189010 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+17)
16:39:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:BreadCo314]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189023&oldid=188936 * Miui * (+115)
16:51:25 <esolangs> [[Talk:BreadCo314]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189024&oldid=189023 * Miui * (+135) /* Disturbing */
16:52:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:BreadCo314]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189025&oldid=189024 * Miui * (-70) /* Disturbing */ trying to describe why this is so disturbing, albeit hilarious
16:52:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:BreadCo314]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189026&oldid=189025 * Miui * (+7) /* Disturbing */
17:14:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:BackroomsTDP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189027&oldid=188969 * Miui * (+198)
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21:21:37 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189029&oldid=188989 * 5anz * (+0) /* Coders Coding Coders */
21:22:05 <esolangs> [[False machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189030&oldid=188666 * 5anz * (+0) /* Coders Coding Coders */
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00:40:19 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189031&oldid=188991 * Cordership * (-13) /* Syntax */
00:40:45 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189032&oldid=189031 * Cordership * (+28) /* Categories */
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01:34:00 <korvo> Tried twice to build GRIN, a whole-program graph-reduction compiler. It's written in Haskell. The flake.nix would have me build at least two GHCs (so far!) and about 360 Haskell packages.
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02:05:14 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189033&oldid=188417 * PkmnQ * (+404) they turned me into a float division instruction
02:13:56 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189034&oldid=188697 * Miui * (+102) /* Mathematics */ OEIS NCurve project
02:20:35 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189035&oldid=189033 * Aadenboy * (-36)
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03:40:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mkhedruli]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189039&oldid=188994 * I am islptng * (+205)
03:43:15 <esolangs> [[Mkhedruli]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189040&oldid=189038 * Corbin * (+29) Tag slop.
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04:00:44 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189041&oldid=188960 * Miui * (+32) /* esolangs */ new section bf derivatives
04:09:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mkhedruli]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189042&oldid=189039 * PrySigneToFry * (+92) /* */ new section
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04:38:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mkhedruli]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189043&oldid=189042 * I am islptng * (+134)
04:48:55 <esolangs> [[Stroom]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189044 * PrySigneToFry * (+6296) Created page with "Stroom is a programming language based on Dutch, designed by PSTF. The article is also called !Nederlands. = Philosophy = * Dutch First: All keywords, built-in functions, and error messages are in Dutch. * Object-Oriented: Everything is an object (except primitiv
04:49:54 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189045&oldid=188975 * PrySigneToFry * (+13)
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04:52:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mkhedruli]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189046&oldid=189043 * PrySigneToFry * (+134)
05:41:38 <esolangs> [[ZeroDivisionError: Division by 0/NoQuine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189047&oldid=137967 * PrySigneToFry * (-6)
05:43:40 <esolangs> [[Division]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189048&oldid=140456 * PrySigneToFry * (+1)
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06:22:54 <esolangs> [[Division]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189050&oldid=189048 * None1 * (+18)
06:24:21 <esolangs> [[Division]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189051&oldid=189050 * None1 * (+29)
06:24:38 <esolangs> [[ErrorFull]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189052&oldid=168536 * None1 * (+15) /* See also */
07:07:48 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189053&oldid=189036 * Miui * (+789)
07:08:13 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189054&oldid=189053 * Miui * (-462) /* Pi */ strip stacktrace
07:09:13 <esolangs> [[F,u,c,k.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189055&oldid=175038 * RikoMamaBala * (-8) Shaved off some bytes from Python interpreter
07:32:28 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189056&oldid=189054 * PkmnQ * (+6) false->falsy, true->truthy
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11:23:27 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Stellarity * New user account
11:25:55 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Hyperlotl * New user account
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11:46:34 <esolangs> [[Absolute Infinity]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189057 * PrySigneToFry * (+11922) Created page with ":''This article has nothing to do with googology.'' Absolute Infinity is a programming language designed by PSTF. It's opened for every users for adding commands. = Rules = # Do not add non-computable commands, such as a command that can directly solve
11:47:30 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189058&oldid=189045 * PrySigneToFry * (+24)
11:48:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mkhedruli]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189059&oldid=189049 * PrySigneToFry * (+65)
11:50:59 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189060&oldid=188982 * Hyperlotl * (+387) /* Introductions */
12:03:02 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189061&oldid=189032 * Cordership * (+57) /* Examples */
12:03:05 <esolangs> [[User:Bangyen]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189062&oldid=188955 * Bangyen * (-905)
12:06:25 <esolangs> [[%^2^-1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189063&oldid=109182 * Bangyen * (+3)
12:06:41 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189064&oldid=189061 * Cordership * (+568)
12:06:48 <esolangs> [[123]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189065&oldid=94821 * Bangyen * (-6)
12:07:05 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189066&oldid=189064 * Cordership * (+7) /* Turing-completeness */
12:07:22 <esolangs> [[2 Bits, 1 Byte]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189067&oldid=185284 * Bangyen * (-6) /* Interpreters */
12:07:42 <esolangs> [[2dFish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189068&oldid=96134 * Bangyen * (+3) /* Implementations */
12:08:14 <esolangs> [[3D Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189069&oldid=170237 * Bangyen * (+99)
12:08:32 <esolangs> [[3x]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189070&oldid=168688 * Bangyen * (+2) /* Implementations */
12:12:20 <esolangs> [[A Painter Ant]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189071&oldid=188302 * Bangyen * (+99)
12:12:41 <esolangs> [[ABCDirection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189072&oldid=161097 * Bangyen * (+99)
12:13:10 <esolangs> [[AddSubJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189073&oldid=188172 * Bangyen * (+100)
12:16:25 <esolangs> [[Albabet]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189074&oldid=186748 * Bangyen * (+71)
12:17:02 <esolangs> [[Basicfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189075&oldid=96251 * Bangyen * (+3) /* Implementations */
12:22:49 <esolangs> [[Albabet]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189076&oldid=189074 * Bangyen * (+26) /* Implementations */
12:25:08 <esolangs> [[BF-PDA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189077&oldid=83429 * Bangyen * (+92)
12:26:34 <esolangs> [[Bit~]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189078&oldid=137987 * Bangyen * (+2) /* Implementations */
12:26:54 <esolangs> [[Bitdeque]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189079&oldid=170480 * Bangyen * (-2) /* Implementation */
12:27:23 <esolangs> [[BIO]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189080&oldid=138700 * Bangyen * (+2) /* Python */
12:29:20 <esolangs> [[Brainpocalypse]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189081&oldid=138534 * Bangyen * (+81) /* External Resources */
12:30:08 <esolangs> [[Collatz Multiverse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189082&oldid=188580 * Bangyen * (+99)
12:30:43 <esolangs> [[Dig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189083&oldid=129312 * Bangyen * (-5) /* Interpreters */
12:31:49 <esolangs> [[For]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189084&oldid=96209 * Bangyen * (+3) /* Implementations */
12:32:55 <esolangs> [[Home Row]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189085&oldid=103840 * Bangyen * (-9) /* Implementations */
12:36:16 <esolangs> [[Huf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189086&oldid=72630 * Bangyen * (+94)
12:36:41 <esolangs> [[Kak]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189087&oldid=136105 * Bangyen * (+4) /* Implementations */
12:37:29 <esolangs> [[LaserFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189088&oldid=107213 * Bangyen * (+2) /* Implementations */
12:39:28 <esolangs> [[Number Seventy-Four]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189089&oldid=85245 * Bangyen * (-32) /* Implementations */
12:39:46 <esolangs> [[Painfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189090&oldid=95977 * Bangyen * (+3) /* Implementations */
12:40:11 <esolangs> [[Polynomial]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189091&oldid=76461 * Bangyen * (-3) /* Implementations */
12:41:17 <esolangs> [[Stun Step]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189092&oldid=141737 * Bangyen * (-9) /* Implementations */
12:41:36 <esolangs> [[Suffolk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189093&oldid=83009 * Bangyen * (-90) /* Implementations */
12:41:58 <esolangs> [[Taglate]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189094&oldid=188533 * Bangyen * (-3) /* Implementations */
12:44:34 <esolangs> [[The Temporary Stack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189095&oldid=115142 * Bangyen * (+8) /* Implementations */
12:44:53 <esolangs> [[Trash]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189096&oldid=96072 * Bangyen * (+3) /* Implementations */
12:45:08 <esolangs> [[Unsquare]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189097&oldid=136273 * Bangyen * (-84) /* Implementations */
12:47:23 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189098&oldid=189066 * Cordership * (+36) /* Syntax */
12:53:20 <esolangs> [[Moescript]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189099 * Hyperlotl * (+628) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=moescript |paradigms=[[:Category:Imperative paradigm|imperative]] |author=[[User:Hyperlotl]] |year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] |class=[[:Category:Unknown computational class|Unknown]] |files=<code>.moe</code> |majorimpl=JS Moescript interpreter }
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13:11:05 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189100&oldid=189098 * Cordership * (+13) /* Kolakoski sequence */
13:11:16 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189101&oldid=189100 * Cordership * (+5) /* Kolakoski sequence */
13:14:08 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189102&oldid=186889 * Cordership * (+2) /* Mandatory test cases */
13:25:26 <esolangs> [[Moescript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189103&oldid=189099 * Hyperlotl * (+622)
13:28:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mkhedruli]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189104&oldid=189059 * PrySigneToFry * (+161)
13:31:26 <esolangs> [[TokiUnpa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189105&oldid=188848 * Jan Ala * (+20)
13:33:26 <esolangs> [[Talk:ErrorFullC++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189106 * PrySigneToFry * (+106) Created page with "My rebuttal to the first error message: <pre> ios::sync_with_stdio(false); cin.tie(0); cout.tie(0); </pre>"
13:40:19 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189107&oldid=186940 * PrySigneToFry * (+29)
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13:54:05 <esolangs> [[ErrorFullC++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189108&oldid=146276 * None1 * (+0)
13:54:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:ErrorFullC++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189109&oldid=189106 * None1 * (+410)
13:56:02 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189110&oldid=189003 * Splot-dev * (+20) Extension commands are toggleable for splotbf.
13:56:18 <esolangs> [[ErrorFullC++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189111&oldid=189108 * None1 * (+1) Another typo
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13:58:57 <esolangs> [[ErrorFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189112&oldid=161978 * None1 * (+1)
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14:03:25 <esolangs> [[Accufuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189114&oldid=188706 * Win7HE * (+14) a
14:05:09 <esolangs> [[ErrorFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189115&oldid=189113 * None1 * (+1500)
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14:26:43 <esolangs> [[StupLANG]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189116 * Cordership * (+2514) Created page with "StupLANG is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:Cordership]] in 2026. ==Syntax== {|class=wikitable ! Operation !! Definition |- | a = n || Sets variable a to a number n. Any value can be picked. Similarly, the variable name can be altered. |- | a @ b
14:30:39 <esolangs> [[StupLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189117&oldid=189116 * Cordership * (+575)
14:31:18 <esolangs> [[StupLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189118&oldid=189117 * Cordership * (+74)
14:31:35 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189119&oldid=188890 * Cordership * (+15) /* Esolangs */
14:32:07 <esolangs> [[EnglishNEW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189120&oldid=188889 * Cordership * (+73)
14:32:25 <esolangs> [[ASCIIgibberish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189121&oldid=187947 * Cordership * (+46)
14:32:42 <esolangs> [[Slantfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189122&oldid=187880 * Cordership * (+28)
14:46:14 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/Sinicomix]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189123 * I am islptng * (+518) Created page with " 1 #\ x x < 101 @ { x % \ [15 5 3 1] % 0 / 0 / !! [`FizzBuzz' `Buzz' `Fizz' x] >. ; "\n >. ; x #..."
15:04:45 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189124&oldid=188973 * None1 * (+418)
15:04:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189125&oldid=189124 * None1 * (+0)
15:12:47 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189126&oldid=188953 * None1 * (+292) /* Result */ retest
15:14:30 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189127&oldid=189126 * None1 * (+1) /* Result */
15:16:46 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * None1 * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Brainfuck speed chart.png]]": Retest
15:17:52 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189129&oldid=189127 * None1 * (+111)
15:19:53 <esolangs> [[ErrorFullC++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189130&oldid=189111 * None1 * (+5)
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16:00:15 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189131&oldid=189102 * Ractangle * (-2) the implementation resets the acumlator if it's exactly 256
16:20:23 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/Sinicomix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189132&oldid=189123 * PrySigneToFry * (+156)
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18:59:37 <esolangs> [[ArrowPrint]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189133&oldid=189018 * ViktorChampion * (-1)
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20:19:44 <int-e> hmm, "Type": "BlueprintIcon, SPZGameAssembly, Version=0.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null" ...what do you mean, culture?
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20:20:19 <int-e> (I assume this is a generic .NET thing)
20:22:10 <int-e> (It's a locale. Yay for standard naming.)
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23:04:27 <esolangs> [[+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189135&oldid=185505 * Aadenboy * (-31) remove erroneous empty brainfuck program
23:31:59 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189136&oldid=189056 * Miui * (+15) /* Pi */ clarify that it is an approximation.
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01:33:35 <esolangs> [[Outbreak(slop)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189137 * Miui * (+23073) just kind of wanted to learn more about this thing sorry if the slop is annoying
01:34:27 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189138&oldid=189041 * Miui * (+32) /* ai generated pages */
02:40:14 <esolangs> [[StupLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189139&oldid=189118 * Cordership * (+23) /* Turing completeness */
02:41:28 <esolangs> [[StupLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189140&oldid=189139 * Cordership * (+91) /* Syntax */
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05:32:45 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * WowieZowie * New user account
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05:50:37 <esolangs> [[EnglishNEW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189141&oldid=189120 * Cordership * (+22)
05:52:58 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189142&oldid=189060 * WowieZowie * (+489) New user introduction
05:53:47 <esolangs> [[User:WowieZowie]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189143 * WowieZowie * (+9) Created page with "Test Text"
05:54:34 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189144&oldid=189101 * Cordership * (+1) /* Tommyawesome constant */
05:54:49 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189145&oldid=189144 * Cordership * (+1) /* Tommyawesome function */
05:55:54 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189146&oldid=189145 * Cordership * (+6) /* Disan count */
05:59:15 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189147&oldid=189146 * Cordership * (-102) /* Primes using Erastothenes sieve */
05:59:23 <esolangs> [[User:WowieZowie]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189148&oldid=189143 * WowieZowie * (+99)
05:59:24 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189149&oldid=189147 * Cordership * (+5) /* Primes using Erastothenes sieve */
06:03:24 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189150&oldid=189149 * Cordership * (+28) /* Kolakoski sequence */
06:13:13 <esolangs> [[StupLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189151&oldid=189140 * Cordership * (+172)
06:25:59 <esolangs> [[NotDeadfish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189152 * Cordership * (+540) Created page with "NotDeadfish is a deadfish derivative by [[User:Cordership]]. The difference between this and Deadfish is the order of operations and the commands. ==Commands== {|class=wikitable |- ! Command !! Meaning |- | i || Increment |- | d || Decrement |- | s || Square |- |
06:27:09 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189153&oldid=189131 * Cordership * (+71) /* Variants of deadfish */
06:28:38 <esolangs> [[NotDeadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189154&oldid=189152 * Cordership * (+103) /* Why this isn't deadfish */
06:31:23 <esolangs> [[Arch is the best! without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189155&oldid=164027 * Cordership * (+251)
06:39:04 <esolangs> [[User:WowieZowie]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189156&oldid=189148 * WowieZowie * (+18)
06:39:19 <esolangs> [[User:WowieZowie]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189157&oldid=189156 * WowieZowie * (+38)
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08:08:35 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189158&oldid=189150 * Cordership * (+96) /* Primes using Erastothenes sieve */
08:15:20 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189159&oldid=188916 * Jan Pilavik * (+13)
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08:46:39 <esolangs> [[User:I am islptng/Guess]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189160 * I am islptng * (+368) Created page with ""Traditional" guessing rule apply, Request programs here and guess on the talk page. == Requests == {| class="wikitable" ! Program !! Requestor !! Status |} == Programs == === Truth machine === [p?'[;+$]:;] Takes input as a string. Input: "0" Out
08:49:13 <esolangs> [[User:I am islptng/Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189161&oldid=189160 * I am islptng * (+115)
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09:08:47 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng/Guess]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189162 * Ractangle * (+193) Created page with "welcome back [[Spoiler:|{{Spoiler|}}]]~~~"
09:09:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng/Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189163&oldid=189162 * I am islptng * (+103)
09:12:00 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng/Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189164&oldid=189163 * I am islptng * (+157)
09:12:33 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng/Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189165&oldid=189164 * I am islptng * (+3)
09:12:54 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189166&oldid=140270 * Ractangle * (-308)
09:37:19 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189167&oldid=186992 * I am islptng * (+141)
09:47:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189168&oldid=189134 * None1 * (+394)
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09:53:07 <esolangs> [[Safeword]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189169 * Hakerh400 * (+3748) +[[Safeword]]
09:53:34 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189170&oldid=189058 * Hakerh400 * (+15) +[[Safeword]]
09:53:46 <esolangs> [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189171&oldid=187993 * Hakerh400 * (+15) +[[Safeword]]
10:15:24 <esolangs> [[Talk:Safeword]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189172 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+190) Created page with "seems slightly similair to [[Apraxia]]! is there any relation whatsoever? --~~~~"
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10:33:00 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng/Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189174&oldid=189173 * I am islptng * (+54)
10:41:35 <esolangs> [[User:I am islptng/Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189175&oldid=189161 * PrySigneToFry * (+103)
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11:42:21 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189177&oldid=189176 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+26) /* The Double free family */
11:59:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:Safeword]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189178&oldid=189172 * PkmnQ * (+126)
12:46:56 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189179&oldid=189177 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+1) /* The Double free family */
12:53:49 <esolangs> [[User:I am islptng/Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189180&oldid=189175 * I am islptng * (+216)
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13:41:21 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189181&oldid=189158 * Cordership * (-502) /* Kolakoski sequence */
13:41:38 <esolangs> [[Kolakoski sequence]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189182&oldid=188688 * Cordership * (-440) /* Simpl */
13:48:20 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189183&oldid=189181 * Cordership * (-186) /* Quine */
13:48:51 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189184&oldid=189183 * Cordership * (+4) /* Turing-completeness */
13:52:56 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189185&oldid=189184 * Cordership * (+1) /* Syntax */
13:53:51 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189186&oldid=189185 * Cordership * (+10) /* 99 bottles of beer on the wall */
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13:56:58 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189187&oldid=189186 * Cordership * (+289) /* Syntax */
13:58:10 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189188&oldid=189187 * Cordership * (+57) /* Syntax */
13:58:44 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189189&oldid=189188 * Cordership * (-12) /* Fibonacci sequence */
13:59:40 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189190&oldid=189189 * Cordership * (-15) /* Looping counter */
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14:00:39 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189191&oldid=189190 * Cordership * (-88) /* Syntax */
14:01:00 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189192&oldid=189191 * Cordership * (-219) /* Syntax */
14:01:15 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189193&oldid=189192 * Cordership * (-251) /* Syntax */
14:05:52 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189194&oldid=189193 * Cordership * (+88) /* Syntax */
14:07:06 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189195&oldid=189194 * Cordership * (+41) /* Pi */
14:07:59 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189196&oldid=189195 * Cordership * (+20) /* Euler-Mascheroni constant to desired precision */
14:09:27 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189197&oldid=189196 * Cordership * (+168) /* Syntax */
14:09:40 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189198&oldid=189197 * Cordership * (+1) /* Euler-Mascheroni constant to desired precision */
14:09:58 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189199&oldid=189198 * Cordership * (+22) /* Categories */
14:11:20 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189200&oldid=189199 * Cordership * (+0) /* Tommyaweosme function */
14:12:52 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189201&oldid=189200 * Cordership * (+9) /* 4-function calculator */
14:13:29 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189202&oldid=189201 * Cordership * (+67) /* Syntax */
14:13:45 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189203&oldid=189202 * Cordership * (+2) /* Hello, world! */
14:14:13 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189204&oldid=189203 * Cordership * (+8) /* Check even/odd */
14:15:09 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189205&oldid=189204 * Cordership * (+10) /* 99 bottles of beer on the wall */
14:16:27 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189206&oldid=189205 * Cordership * (-58) /* FizzBuzz */
14:17:11 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189207&oldid=189206 * Cordership * (+49) /* Syntax */
14:24:58 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189208&oldid=189207 * Cordership * (+135) /* Syntax */
14:25:11 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189209&oldid=189208 * Cordership * (-12) /* Syntax */
14:25:47 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189210&oldid=189209 * Cordership * (+76) /* 4-function calculator */
14:30:55 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189211&oldid=189006 * Splot-dev * (+1) comma
14:50:29 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189212&oldid=188673 * None1 * (+80) /* Commands */
14:50:51 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189213&oldid=189212 * None1 * (+9) /* Built-in Types */
14:51:29 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189214&oldid=189213 * None1 * (+71) /* Built-in Types */
14:55:52 <esolangs> [[Dafne]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189215&oldid=186824 * Miui * (+68) /* See also */ link sator resatus; tired of waiting for salp to move it to main page
14:57:50 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189216&oldid=189159 * Jan Pilavik * (+75)
14:59:16 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189217&oldid=189216 * Jan Pilavik * (+31) /* External Links */
15:10:29 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189218&oldid=189214 * None1 * (+303) /* Examples */
15:10:30 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189219&oldid=189179 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+2631) /* Some strange questions and thoughts and ideas */
15:11:09 <esolangs> [[XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189220&oldid=188180 * None1 * (+207) /* Txet */
15:11:33 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189221&oldid=189218 * None1 * (+30) /* Types with template arguments */
15:11:52 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189222&oldid=189221 * None1 * (+9) /* Types with template arguments */
15:13:50 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189223&oldid=189222 * None1 * (+31)
15:16:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:NO WAY? NO WAY!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189224 * Miui * (+305) Created page with "=Question= All of the questions. I've thought about a lang based on blue sphere! If you want to give a tutorial I would be stoked to see it. At some point imma make a blue sphere lang too, but it will just be a brainfuck derivative. ~~~~"
15:37:12 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189225&oldid=189223 * None1 * (+78) /* Built-in Types */
15:37:37 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189226&oldid=189225 * None1 * (+49) /* Built-in Types */
16:05:35 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189227&oldid=189226 * None1 * (+6982) /* Implementations */ Stayed up late to implement this
16:05:50 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189228&oldid=189227 * None1 * (-84) /* Examples */
16:09:41 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189229&oldid=189228 * None1 * (+3) /* Computational class */
16:20:03 <esolangs> [[User:FluixMakesEsolangs/Secret2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189230 * FluixMakesEsolangs * (+17) Hey its me its verity ask me anything, i know about a million things ill do everything
16:36:54 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189231&oldid=188506 * PrySigneToFry * (+252) /* Yearly category */ new section
16:39:00 <esolangs> [[OREO Conversion Sheet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189232&oldid=156212 * RikoMamaBala * (+37)
16:54:04 <esolangs> [[Jack Cole's Murray Polygon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189233&oldid=188535 * Miui * (+2932) added LISP form
16:55:34 <esolangs> [[Jack Cole's Murray Polygon]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189234&oldid=189233 * Miui * (+1) /* LISP */ fix pre div
17:15:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189235 * RikoMamaBala * (+602) Created page with "Are disk names put in quotation marks or are they quoteless? I'm just worrying about disk names having a potential to be named as in the following: <pre class="rectwrap">Insert disk into drive A and press any key WRITE "Hello World!" diska.txt into drive A and press a
18:10:02 <esolangs> [[User talk:FluixMakesEsolangs/Secret2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189236 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+127) Created page with "haii :3 --~~~~"
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18:58:02 <esolangs> [[Minez]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189237&oldid=183626 * Dooblix * (-31) Removed some redundancies, that others have made me aware of (such as removing LIFO and some sentences)
19:03:38 <esolangs> [[User talk:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189238&oldid=187063 * Dooblix * (+852) Clarification of AI accusations
19:24:49 <esolangs> [[Minez]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189239&oldid=189237 * Dooblix * (-115) Reworked the article to sound less like AI (fixed some of my AI-sounding writing habits, because I've seen that some people (understandably) thought this article was generated by AI)
19:40:27 <esolangs> [[User talk:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189240&oldid=189238 * Corbin * (+664) /* About your changes on my esolang's page */ I think I bear some responsibility here.
19:47:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Susie * New user account
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20:51:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:End]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189242&oldid=176253 * Mutasimos * (+230)
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00:06:21 <esolangs> [[FFFF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189243&oldid=169701 * RainbowDash * (-855) Make it much simpiler.
00:08:18 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189244&oldid=189138 * Miui * (+37) /* dubious pages i wrote */ found another one of my weird things i madee
00:13:01 <esolangs> [[FFFF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189245&oldid=189243 * RainbowDash * (-2) /* Example FSM encoding. */
00:46:29 <esolangs> [[Annotations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189246&oldid=187142 * Miui * (+0) /* High-level overview */ apostrophe
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00:58:17 <ais523> korvo: are you aware of the Allais Paradox? (I saw you writing about humans violating the predictions of economics, and I think the Allais Paradox is an extremely good model for this, so I'd be interested to know your thoughts if you've already had any)
01:18:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189247&oldid=188592 * None1 * (+375) /* The celebration text in the index and about pages are of different sizes */ new section
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02:01:06 <ais523> oh, and one correction: "the generalized study of conversations between mutually-distrusting parties is named after Byzantine generals" → although this is true, it doesn't reflect anything about Byzantium in particular, rather the theory was originally named after a contemporary country and then renamed after a nation that no longer exists in order to avoid causing offence
02:01:31 <ais523> but I think the only reason to choose Byzantium was that, given that it no longer exists, there are no Byzantines available to complain about the naming
02:01:57 <ais523> this has almost certainly done lots of damage to the reputation of Byzantium – for ages I thought there was a better reason for the naming
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02:26:41 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Dyads]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189248&oldid=188254 * Miui * (+10) /* Definitions = */ bullet points
02:29:08 <esolangs> [[Machines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189249&oldid=181354 * PrySigneToFry * (+38)
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02:34:40 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Dyads]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189250&oldid=189248 * Miui * (-1654) whatever dyads
02:35:26 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189251&oldid=189244 * Miui * (+17) /* drafts */ strike dyads
02:43:10 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189252&oldid=189251 * Miui * (+39) gave up on ton
02:43:24 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189253&oldid=189252 * Miui * (+0) /* = gave up on */ fix stupid thing
03:00:40 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189254&oldid=189253 * Miui * (+84) Link Piet to langs bio
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03:26:40 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189255&oldid=189210 * Cordership * (+0) /* Factorials */
03:29:46 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189256&oldid=189255 * Cordership * (+41) /* Syntax */
03:39:00 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189257&oldid=189231 * None1 * (+1) /* Can you prove computatioal class for esolang +*-? */
03:44:18 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189258&oldid=189257 * Ais523 * (+658) /* Can you prove computational class for esolang +*-? */ it isn't TC, because you can't read the counters if they both get too far from zero, so you only usefully have one infinite counter
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04:46:00 <esolangs> [[Talk:Safeword]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189259&oldid=189178 * Hakerh400 * (+255) Responses
04:56:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189260&oldid=189247 * None1 * (+333) /* The celebration text in the index and about pages are of different sizes */
04:56:36 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189261&oldid=188945 * Cordership * (+115) /* XKCD Random Number */
04:58:10 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189262&oldid=189258 * None1 * (+85) /* Can you prove computational class for esolang +*-? */
04:58:24 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189263&oldid=189262 * None1 * (+276) /* Can you prove computational class for esolang +*-? */
04:59:27 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189264&oldid=188553 * Cordership * (+206) /* What */
04:59:34 <esolangs> [[+*-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189265&oldid=188518 * None1 * (+363)
04:59:51 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189266&oldid=189264 * Cordership * (+33) /* What */
05:05:35 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189267&oldid=189263 * None1 * (+115) /* Can you prove computational class for esolang +*-? */
05:08:17 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189268&oldid=189267 * None1 * (+4) /* Can you prove computational class for esolang +*-? */
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06:53:45 <korvo> ais523: I did not know about the Allais paradox, thanks! FWIW my attack would be a bit more direct; I'd start with e.g. the marshmallow test and other tests of willpower, delayed satisfaction, and ability to plan for the future. The ability to save a marshmallow for later is, psychologically, a miniature replica of the ability to save a dollar for later.
06:56:05 <korvo> I like your nuance about Byzantium. I'm filing that next to the story about the slave with the shaved head. The historically-accurate part, which I didn't directly describe, is that Polybius covers the difficulty of knowing who you're conversing with; Polybius also published the first serious encryption technique, although he didn't invent it.
06:56:35 <korvo> TBH that entire essay is a hot mess. It might have meant something half a decade ago, but I failed to actually draft it at the time.
06:57:40 <korvo> Hm. I was going to stub [[trivial Deadfish substitution]] today but ended up busy instead. CLV, I guess.
07:05:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:Safeword]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189269&oldid=189259 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+124)
07:06:11 <esolangs> [[Apraxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189270&oldid=179963 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-3) /* Combinators */
07:06:40 <esolangs> [[Apraxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189271&oldid=189270 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1) /* Combinators */
07:07:22 <esolangs> [[Apraxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189272&oldid=189271 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+34) /* Examples */
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07:33:28 <esolangs> [[Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189273&oldid=188087 * Blashyrkh * (-26) /* Church numerals */ Shorter IJ expression for Church number 8 (33 > 21)
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08:07:38 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189274&oldid=189261 * Dragoneater67 * (-115) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/189261|189261]] by [[Special:Contributions/Cordership|Cordership]] ([[User talk:Cordership|talk]]) it doesnt work
08:12:01 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189275&oldid=189268 * Ractangle * (+280) /* Can you prove computational class for esolang +*-? */
08:41:47 <b_jonas> "Polybius covers the difficulty of knowing who you're conversing with" => makes sense, given that there's a well-known story about someone bribing someone else's messengers who bring news from the oracle of Delphoi to claim that she gave a different prediction from the real one
08:53:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189276&oldid=189275 * PkmnQ * (+350) /* Can you prove computational class for esolang +*-? */
09:07:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:End]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189277&oldid=189242 * Mutasimos * (+490)
09:13:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:End]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189278&oldid=189277 * Mutasimos * (-111)
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12:15:37 <esolangs> [[Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189279&oldid=188763 * Bobby Jacobs * (+0) This expression for C appears within some of the other expressions.
13:20:21 <esolangs> [[Combinatory logic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189280&oldid=189279 * PkmnQ * (-22) /* Table of combinators */
13:28:51 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189281&oldid=189254 * Miui * (-315) /* drafts */ clear blanks
13:29:31 <esolangs> [[ton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189282&oldid=186759 * Miui * (-14623) blanked, gave up
14:07:29 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership/Python programs]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189283 * Cordership * (+363) Created page with "Primes from 1 to 100: <pre> print(2) print(3) print(5) print(7) for x in range(1, 101): if x % 2 != 0: if x % 3 != 0: if x % 5 != 0: if x % 7 != 0: print(x) else:
14:23:17 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189284&oldid=189219 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+842) /* news? */
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15:19:01 <HackEso> [U+2018 LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK] [U+2019 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK]
15:28:00 <b_jonas> yeah, I use those. “‘’” for English; „»«” for Hungarian
15:28:35 <int-e> FWIW, context is this glorious check for sufficient Unicode support: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/0v5reD4P
15:37:51 <shachaf> It looks like the history of this was that it was specifically added to check whether it can print those specific quote characters, and then once that was in there it was expanded to other Unicode checks.
15:41:32 <int-e> TBF any user who can round-trip ‘’ but not all the rest of unicode is likely to be so used to encoding problems that they probably won't raise a stink ;)
15:42:53 <esolangs> [[Dig straight down like an idiot]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189285&oldid=160924 * Bangyen * (-99)
15:48:47 <esolangs> [[ASCII art]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189286&oldid=129595 * Bangyen * (-99)
15:55:28 <b_jonas> int-e: I'm not sure. CP1252 has encodings for those single quotes, and it can occurr as a locale encoding on Windows. Though in the context that this checks, maybe the 437-like code pages such as IBM850 are more likely to be used, and those don't encode the single quote.
15:55:56 <int-e> b_jonas: Note that I'm not saying that the check is sound.
16:27:33 <esolangs> [[Cubik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189287&oldid=184916 * Fabiot * (-12)
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16:46:40 <korvo> b_jonas: https://corbinsimpson.com/words/power-relations.html This pile of...something. I had the emotional compulsion to write it out, but I still don't know how I feel about all of it. Doesn't help that the writing circles I shared it with all gave zero feedback.
16:48:25 <korvo> (I've been examining the power structures of communities who I share it with. This IRC channel is a quiet little Autocracy. The wiki is an extremely permissive Autocracy which hasn't really sharpened itself to the point of having a culture worth protecting.)
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18:27:49 <esolangs> [[Keys]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189291&oldid=139739 * Bangyen * (-99)
18:31:04 <int-e> I hate that I have to add site:python.org whenever I'm looking for python library documentation by keywords
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18:34:58 <Everything> int-e: just mirror it and grep locally
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18:52:12 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189294&oldid=189281 * Miui * (+17) /* drafts */
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20:11:00 <esolangs> [[Trivial deadfish substitution]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189295 * Corbin * (+2281) Stub a new direction in organizing some of the junk languages. I hate wikitables. Examples copied from [[deadfish]].
20:14:04 <esolangs> [[Trivial deadfish substitution]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189296&oldid=189295 * Corbin * (+10) /* Five-command */ Sakana isn't literally TDS; rather, a restricted set of five Sakana commands is both valid Sakana and also the basis for a TDS.
20:22:18 <esolangs> [[F!--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189297&oldid=126723 * Corbin * (+102) Identify TDS.
20:23:36 <esolangs> [[Pete mort]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189298&oldid=144205 * Corbin * (+46) Identify TDS.
20:26:44 <esolangs> [[Siyu]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189299&oldid=165347 * Corbin * (+79) Identify TDS.
20:28:42 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189300&oldid=140055 * Corbin * (+38) Identify TDS.
20:29:28 <esolangs> [[Trivial deadfish substitution]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189301&oldid=189296 * Corbin * (+2) Fix header levels.
20:35:01 <esolangs> [[Trivial deadfish substitution]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189302&oldid=189301 * Corbin * (+20) /* Four-command */ Found that two more supposed TDSs are actually variations (technically [[esoteric subset]]s)
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20:53:46 <esolangs> [[Trivial substitution]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189303&oldid=185517 * Corbin * (+90) Oh, we got ''both'' families of trivial substitutions: brainfuck ''and'' deadfish.
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21:11:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189304&oldid=189125 * Splot-dev * (+341) Responded to None1.
21:19:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189305&oldid=189304 * Splot-dev * (+270) Added command for None1 to try.
21:21:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189306&oldid=189305 * Splot-dev * (-409) Undo
21:37:44 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Splot-dev * uploaded "[[File:Splotbf benchmark.png]]": This is the code for a benchmark for my splotbf brainf interpreter.
21:39:57 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189308 * Splot-dev * (+615) Created page with "Code for the benchmark for my splotbf brainf interpreter! <pre> from time import perf_counter, sleep import pexpect # docs https://pexpect.readthedocs.io/ start = perf_counter() child = pexpect.spawn('bf dbfi.b') # you'll need the dbfi file sl
21:40:41 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189309&oldid=189308 * Splot-dev * (+67) Bold note
21:42:07 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189310&oldid=189309 * Splot-dev * (+232) More notes
21:45:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189311&oldid=189306 * Splot-dev * (+169) Added benchmark code
21:47:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189312&oldid=189311 * Splot-dev * (+179) formatting
21:47:54 <esolangs> [[File:Splotbf benchmark.png]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189313&oldid=189307 * Splot-dev * (+52) https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_speed_test
21:48:26 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189314&oldid=189310 * Splot-dev * (+52) https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_speed_test
21:49:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189315&oldid=189312 * Splot-dev * (+38) Update note
21:52:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189316&oldid=189315 * Splot-dev * (-148) More concise
21:52:49 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189317&oldid=189314 * Splot-dev * (+3) newlines
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00:48:03 <korvo> esolangs: In deadfish, what does "h" do?
00:48:28 <esolangs> korvo: In Deadfish, the letter "h" is used for **"hashing"**. It's a way to create a unique identifier for a piece of data, similar to a checksum. This hash is then used for various purposes like: * **Data integrity checks:** Ensuring data hasn't been tampered with. * **Data retrieval:** Quickly finding specific data within a large dataset. * **Data...
00:48:28 <esolangs> comparison:** Comparing data for equality. Let me know if you have any other Deadfish questions!
01:18:55 <esolangs> [[User:Bangyen]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189319&oldid=189062 * Bangyen * (-40)
01:20:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189320&oldid=189316 * I am islptng * (+385)
01:23:18 <esolangs> [[User:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189321&oldid=188500 * I am islptng * (+81) +KBAT
01:26:44 <esolangs> [[KBAT]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189322 * I am islptng * (+2175) Created page with "= KBAT (Killed By A Train) = '''KBAT''' is an esolang that is based on APL's trains. This language only has trains and recursion. == Syntax == <code>{...}</code> is a dyadic train and <code>[...]</code> is a monadic train.<br /> <code>'f</code> means f is recursive
01:26:57 <esolangs> [[User:I am islptng/Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189323&oldid=189180 * I am islptng * (-802) Blanked the page
01:59:43 <esolangs> [[Color Dialog]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189324&oldid=188696 * Miui * (+100) /* External resources */
02:31:12 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189325&oldid=177906 * PrySigneToFry * (-76)
02:35:47 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189326&oldid=189276 * Ais523 * (+845) /* Can you prove computational class for esolang +*-? */ Minsky machines rely on multiple multiplication/division loops, if you only have one then the existing proofs won't work (but, as far as we know, that doesn't necessarily make a language sub-TC)
02:44:03 <esolangs> [[2 Bits, 1 Byte]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189327&oldid=189067 * Bangyen * (-79)
02:47:26 <esolangs> [[Number Seventy-Four]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189328&oldid=189089 * Bangyen * (-99)
02:47:54 <esolangs> [[Trash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189329&oldid=189096 * Bangyen * (-100)
03:42:28 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189330&oldid=189294 * Miui * (+36) /* dubious pages i wrote */ add another thing i wrote
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05:53:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189332&oldid=189320 * None1 * (+411) /* Logarithmic or inverse scale for the bar chart? */
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06:26:50 <esolangs> [[None (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189334&oldid=189333 * None1 * (+197)
06:30:33 <esolangs> [[None (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189335&oldid=189334 * None1 * (+19)
06:50:53 <esolangs> [[None]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189336&oldid=139774 * None1 * (+16)
06:53:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189337&oldid=189332 * None1 * (+345) /* Please try mine too */
06:53:52 <esolangs> [[None (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189338&oldid=189335 * None1 * (-5)
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07:51:08 <esolangs> [[F!--]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189339&oldid=189297 * None1 * (+2) /* Commands */
07:55:05 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189340&oldid=189129 * None1 * (+26) /* Result */
08:18:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189341&oldid=189337 * None1 * (+367) /* Please try mine too */
08:19:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189342&oldid=189341 * None1 * (+45) /* Please try mine too */
08:24:42 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189343&oldid=189317 * None1 * (+23) Modify to make it work on Windows
08:25:18 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189344&oldid=189343 * None1 * (+5)
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09:08:01 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189345&oldid=189342 * None1 * (+349)
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09:54:16 <int-e> `` echo "print('Hello, world!')" > __main__.py
09:54:24 <HackEso> /hackenv/bin/`: line 5: python: command not found
09:55:23 <int-e> `` ls /usr/bin/ | paste
09:55:25 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.20811
10:32:52 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189346&oldid=188451 * None1 * (+54) /* General languages */
10:33:09 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189347&oldid=188838 * None1 * (+54)
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10:33:45 <esolangs> [[None (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189348&oldid=189338 * None1 * (+104) /* Interpreter in Python */
10:33:53 <esolangs> [[None (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189349&oldid=189348 * None1 * (+1) /* Interpreter in Python */
10:48:55 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189350&oldid=189326 * I am islptng * (+410)
11:03:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * IMakeTerribleEsolangDecisions * New user account
11:15:56 <esolangs> [[None (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189351&oldid=189349 * PrySigneToFry * (+46)
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11:27:56 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189352&oldid=189340 * None1 * (+118)
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11:38:25 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189353&oldid=189352 * None1 * (+62) /* Conclusion */
11:39:09 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * None1 * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Brainfuck speed chart.png]]"
11:39:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * None1 * uploaded "[[File:Brainfuck speed chart inv.png]]": Brainfuck speed chart (Inverse of time)
11:40:03 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * None1 * uploaded "[[File:Brainfuck speed chart log.png]]": Brainfuck speed chart (logarithmic scale)
11:40:52 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189357&oldid=189353 * None1 * (+149) /* Speed chart */
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11:49:34 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189359&oldid=189357 * None1 * (+90) /* Conclusion */
11:52:01 <esolangs> [[Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189360&oldid=188878 * None1 * (+77)
11:54:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:Trivial deadfish substitution]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189361 * None1 * (+367) Created page with "[[]] supports for character output, so it's not a TDS. --~~~~"
11:54:32 <esolangs> [[Trivial deadfish substitution]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189362&oldid=189302 * None1 * (-148)
11:55:30 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189363&oldid=189153 * None1 * (-1073) /* Commands */
11:55:42 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189364&oldid=189363 * None1 * (+0) /* Commands */
11:57:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * None1 * moved [[None]] to [[None (Language Boi)]]: Disambig
11:59:11 <esolangs> [[None]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189367&oldid=189366 * None1 * (+149) Disambig
11:59:22 <esolangs> [[None (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189368&oldid=189351 * None1 * (+15)
11:59:47 <esolangs> [[None (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189369&oldid=189368 * None1 * (+1) /* Example programs */
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12:47:51 <esolangs> [[ActionLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189370&oldid=177149 * None1 * (-1)
12:49:17 <esolangs> [[RFJ]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189371 * FordsTheodore * (+1230) create creation
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14:17:18 <esolangs> [[Lazy Elementary Arithmetic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189372&oldid=185821 * AnyFunc * (+13) /* Syntax */
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14:29:56 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189373&oldid=189358 * Splot-dev * (+166) response
14:36:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189374&oldid=189373 * Splot-dev * (+42) nevermind
14:38:25 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189375&oldid=189374 * Splot-dev * (+83)
14:39:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189376&oldid=189375 * Splot-dev * (-18) no more bold
14:39:51 <esolangs> [[SETANDCOUNT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189377&oldid=172049 * PkmnQ * (+6) /* Operations */ 9 is implemented this way in the interpreter
14:43:19 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189378&oldid=189344 * Splot-dev * (-28) None1's edit doesn
14:44:07 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189379&oldid=189378 * Splot-dev * (+39)
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14:57:51 <esolangs> [[Guesolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189380&oldid=186475 * Im bad at naming * (-77)
15:05:05 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng/Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189381&oldid=189174 * Im bad at naming * (+131)
15:08:15 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng/Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189382&oldid=189381 * Im bad at naming * (+5)
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15:41:18 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189383&oldid=189330 * Miui * (-300) /* personal esopages */ remove some links
15:41:55 <esolangs> [[$$Aleph 0x1111111100000001.png]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189384&oldid=181711 * Miui * (+5) link Nope.
15:44:40 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189385&oldid=187071 * Hotcrystal0 * (+370) /* Deadfish substitutions */ new section
15:45:02 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189386&oldid=189385 * Hotcrystal0 * (+0)
15:45:15 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189387&oldid=189386 * Hotcrystal0 * (+1)
15:53:43 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189388&oldid=189387 * Miui * (+144) /* Category:goto based */ link D.E.A.T.H. to goto-based category discussion topic
16:03:10 <esolangs> [[Kak]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189389&oldid=189087 * Bangyen * (-82)
16:03:36 <esolangs> [[Brainpocalypse]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189390&oldid=189081 * Bangyen * (-80)
16:14:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:Trivial deadfish substitution]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189391&oldid=189361 * Corbin * (+307) Nice, thanks.
16:17:32 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189392&oldid=189383 * Miui * (+114) /* dubious pages i wrote */ explain my position regarding the "dubious" criterion
16:21:51 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189393&oldid=189284 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+1223) /* Some strange questions and thoughts and ideas */
16:21:52 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189394&oldid=189392 * Miui * (+33) /* dubious pages i wrote */ added another thing i writ
16:25:41 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189395&oldid=189394 * Miui * (-70) /* drafts */ clear blanks
16:26:04 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189396&oldid=189395 * Miui * (-175) /* gave up on */ clear blanks
16:28:06 <esolangs> [[Stun Step]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189397&oldid=189092 * Bangyen * (-99)
16:49:49 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189398&oldid=189396 * Miui * (+0) moved See Two? to semi-serious section
16:50:50 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189399&oldid=189398 * Miui * (+0) move Dafne to esolangs section
16:52:37 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189400&oldid=189399 * Miui * (-41) /* drafts */ removed Choropleth exploration (already in miscellany)
16:56:29 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189401&oldid=189400 * Miui * (-1) /* ai generated pages */ format
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19:11:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189404&oldid=159215 * Hotcrystal0 * (+89)
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19:39:50 <esolangs> [[It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning.]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189406 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+167) Created page with "{{Stub}} '''It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning.''' is an [[esoteric programming
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21:45:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189407&oldid=167593 * Splot-dev * (+1054) /* splotbf: another brainf implementation! */ new section
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21:47:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189408&oldid=189407 * Splot-dev * (+81) I prefer putting new comments at the top.
21:48:25 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189409&oldid=189408 * Splot-dev * (+154) Regarding the testing of cross platform availability of splotbf.
21:50:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189410&oldid=189409 * Splot-dev * (+133) It's a bit slow.
21:53:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189411&oldid=189410 * Splot-dev * (+94) Answer
21:53:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189412&oldid=189411 * Splot-dev * (+38) https://brainfuck.org/dbf2c.b
21:54:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189413&oldid=189412 * Splot-dev * (-4) /* Is there any compilers/interpreters for useful luaguages made by brainfuck? */
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22:47:00 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189414&oldid=189274 * Splot-dev * (+278) Added splotbf
23:31:04 <esolangs> [[Vines]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189415 * AeroPurple * (+13110) Will need more examples, and still need to finish the interpreter... but this should be good for now
23:32:35 <esolangs> [[Vines]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189416&oldid=189415 * AeroPurple * (+111) Added categories, hope they work
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00:38:38 <esolangs> [[Talk:Trivial deadfish substitution]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189417&oldid=189391 * I am islptng * (+197)
00:39:34 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng/Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189418&oldid=189382 * I am islptng * (+158)
00:41:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:!4warning]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189419 * Miui * (+200) query slide-rule completeness
00:44:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:Trivial deadfish substitution]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189420&oldid=189417 * Corbin * (+348) End of input.
00:51:40 <esolangs> [[User:AeroPurple]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189421&oldid=182240 * AeroPurple * (+37) Hey I got one on here
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02:04:48 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng/Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189422&oldid=189418 * Im bad at naming * (+125)
02:29:26 <esolangs> [[RFJ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189423&oldid=189371 * FordsTheodore * (+7) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
02:52:07 <esolangs> [[RFJ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189424&oldid=189423 * FordsTheodore * (+48) aaaaaaaaaa
03:39:58 <esolangs> [[User:FordsTheodore]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189425&oldid=173265 * FordsTheodore * (+10)
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04:08:39 <esolangs> [[Polynomix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189426&oldid=187906 * I am islptng * (+60)
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05:35:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189427&oldid=189413 * None1 * (+480) /* Is there any compilers/interpreters for useful luaguages made by brainfuck? */ [[ELVM]] exists
05:36:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189428&oldid=189427 * None1 * (+0) /* Is there any compilers/interpreters for useful luaguages made by brainfuck? */
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06:07:47 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189429&oldid=189428 * Miui * (+163) /* Add this as macro hello world */
06:25:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189430&oldid=189429 * PkmnQ * (+198) /* Add this as macro hello world */ It's not just your compiler
07:46:04 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Cleverxia * uploaded "[[File:Score.jpg]]"
07:58:53 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189432&oldid=182857 * Cleverxia * (+147)
08:04:08 <esolangs> [[Stash]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189433 * Cleverxia * (+357) Created page with "{{stub}} '''stash''' is an esolang created by [[user:cleverxia]], but I won't put the lamguage spec here, you'll have to guess [[Stash/guess|here]]. ==Current correct guesses== {| class="wikitable sortable" |+ Caption text |- ! character !! meaning !! guesser |- | {{c
08:09:20 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * None1 * uploaded "[[File:Typeid.png]]": [[Typeid]] esolang logo
08:11:42 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189435&oldid=189229 * None1 * (+359)
08:12:04 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189436&oldid=189435 * None1 * (+44)
08:12:08 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189437 * Cleverxia * (+320) wait I returned, but I forgot to include this sentence into previous 2 summaries
08:12:13 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189438&oldid=189436 * None1 * (+0)
08:12:34 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189439&oldid=189438 * None1 * (+0)
08:13:04 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189440&oldid=189439 * None1 * (+27)
08:13:19 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189441&oldid=189440 * None1 * (-4)
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08:32:06 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189442&oldid=189441 * Cleverxia * (-14) /* Cat */ short cat
08:37:06 <esolangs> [[Typeid]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189443&oldid=189442 * Cleverxia * (-7) /* Truth Machine */ shorter tm
09:25:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:ight]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189444&oldid=155103 * Win7HE * (+181) /* Interpreter */
09:33:04 <esolangs> [[Guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189445&oldid=186134 * Cleverxia * (+11) /* See also */
09:38:15 <esolangs> [[Guessing]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189446&oldid=186137 * Cleverxia * (+12) /* See also */
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09:56:37 <esolangs> [[Stash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189447&oldid=189433 * Cleverxia * (+174) /* Current correct guesses */
09:57:37 <esolangs> [[Stash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189448&oldid=189447 * Cleverxia * (-40)
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10:50:39 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189449&oldid=189437 * I am islptng * (+108)
10:54:04 <esolangs> [[ASCII]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189450&oldid=189005 * Qazwsxplm * (+40)
10:54:25 <esolangs> [[ASCII]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189451&oldid=189450 * Qazwsxplm * (+6)
11:03:31 <esolangs> [[Main Page]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189452&oldid=188308 * Qazwsxplm * (+36)
11:04:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:Main Page]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189453&oldid=186691 * Qazwsxplm * (+99) /* Another genuine question */
11:08:06 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189454&oldid=189393 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+716) /* Some strange questions and thoughts and ideas */
11:18:26 <esolangs> [[It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189455&oldid=189406 * Dragoneater67 * (+1263) burnt
11:21:28 <esolangs> [[Main Page]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189456&oldid=189452 * Ractangle * (-36)
11:23:14 <esolangs> [[ASCII]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189457&oldid=189451 * Ractangle * (-179) could've just removed the notice instead
11:29:43 <esolangs> [[It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189458&oldid=189455 * Dragoneater67 * (-13) the instructions cant be "executed" in a sense
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11:38:41 <esolangs> [[It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189459&oldid=189458 * Dragoneater67 * (+37) clarify
11:39:51 <int-e> Huh. Almost 5 years ago, Python added match statements.
11:40:19 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189460&oldid=189405 * Dragoneater67 * (+40) add desc
11:46:34 <esolangs> [[BrainASM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189461&oldid=187508 * Mishyakovskiy * (+556)
11:47:13 <esolangs> [[BrainASM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189462&oldid=189461 * Mishyakovskiy * (-5)
11:56:07 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189463&oldid=189460 * Dragoneater67 * (+91) general comment
12:29:10 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189464&oldid=189449 * Cleverxia * (+217)
12:30:41 <HackEso> 🌱 \ 3 \ 7ermk2UVHP4U \ altairz80l64 \ a.o \ a.out \ app.dsk \ appleiicpm.dsk \ asmbf-1.2.7 \ AxgmKr9kfl7f \ AxgmKr9kfl7f.cpp \ banana.txt \ bef2 \ bfi \ bin \ Burlesque \ canary \ cmd.whatis \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ cpm2.dsk \ cpmrun.txt \ detect \ detect.c \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ eGtbSgN68aHU \ fence.c \ foo \ he-ng.7z \ he-ng.7z.base64 \ he-ngc \ he-ngx \ hlu \ hyperion-Release_4.9.1 \ i.dsk \ JoaoDir \ just \ karma \ le \ __main
12:31:13 <int-e> `` zip a.zip a.o; diff <(zip - a.o) a.zip
12:31:16 <HackEso> adding: a.o (deflated 72%) \ adding: a.o (deflated 72%) \ Binary files /dev/fd/63 and a.zip differ
12:31:26 <int-e> why do they differ though
12:37:08 <int-e> `` zip - a.o > b.zip; diff a.zip b.zip
12:37:10 <HackEso> adding: a.o (deflated 72%) \ Binary files a.zip and b.zip differ
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12:45:52 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189465&oldid=189464 * Cleverxia * (+197)
12:51:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189466&oldid=189430 * Corbin * (+447) /* Is there any compilers/interpreters for useful luaguages made by brainfuck? */ Rails.
13:00:09 <fizzie> As it happens, this system has a tool called `zipdetails`, and looking at it (with a small text file, not that a.o), `zip file.zip ...` makes a ZIP 1.0 file, while `zip - ...` makes a ZIP 2.0 file with the "Streamed" flag on.
13:02:24 <fizzie> (There's also an atime record for the stored file, but whether that actually changes when the first `zip` instance reads the contents depends on the access time tracking settings of the filesystem.)
13:04:33 <fizzie> There's also a structural difference in that in the former case, the CRC and size fields are populated in the header entry that precedes the payload, while in the latter they're left as zero and the payload is followed by a "data descriptor" record that contains the CRC and size fields, which I guess is probably what the "streaming" mode is all about.
13:05:20 <fizzie> I assume it's making that distinction depending on whether the output file is seekable or not.
13:05:30 <int-e> Yeah looks that way.
13:05:57 <int-e> Sounds like not going back for the CRC is the key difference.
13:06:03 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189467&oldid=189465 * I am islptng * (+45)
13:06:12 <esolangs> [[(tm)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189468 * Cleverxia * (+13) Created page with "#REDIRECT "
13:07:28 <esolangs> [[(tm)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189469&oldid=189468 * Cleverxia * (-13) no wait how to create a redirect
13:07:33 <int-e> The reason why I noticed is that Python's zip-file module importer chokes on the streamed format. So... I guess I can't avoid a temp file if I want to construct this with basic tools.
13:09:40 <esolangs> [[(tm)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189470&oldid=189469 * Cleverxia * (+17) fixed
13:19:49 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189471&oldid=189359 * Cleverxia * (+11) /* Result */ obviously gcc bffsree.c -o bffsree_gcc.exe -O2 is obviously not a author
13:47:54 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189472&oldid=189454 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+2152) /* Some strange questions and thoughts and ideas */
13:54:21 <int-e> (I'm doing something like this, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/4954014c )
14:00:16 <int-e> (I saw `zipapp` but it wants to grab a whole subdirectory, not just .py files)
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14:17:08 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189473&oldid=189467 * Cleverxia * (+84) /* deadfish interpreter */
14:17:47 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189474&oldid=189473 * Cleverxia * (+6) /* Pending programs */ fixed
14:19:46 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189475&oldid=189474 * Cleverxia * (+3) /* deadfish interpreter */ oops
14:20:39 <esolangs> [[List of quines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189476&oldid=188472 * Jan jelo * (+30) /* Forth */
14:22:10 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189477&oldid=189475 * Cleverxia * (+3) /* deadfish interpreter */
14:27:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189478&oldid=189466 * Corbin * (+2108) /* splotbf: another brainf implementation! */ Review.
14:55:43 <esolangs> [[Factorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189479&oldid=188428 * Cleverxia * (+922)
15:01:12 <esolangs> [[Ellipsis]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189480&oldid=114428 * Hammy * (+1) fixed missing period
15:04:06 <esolangs> [[Factorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189481&oldid=189479 * Cleverxia * (-15) why do I have to fix it again and again
15:04:57 <esolangs> [[Factorial]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189482&oldid=189481 * Cleverxia * (+2) /* shakespare */
15:12:10 <esolangs> [[Shakespeare]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189483&oldid=186316 * Cleverxia * (+489) /* Truth Machine */ the tm here is actually a while-non-zero cat
15:19:43 <esolangs> [[Non-Random]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189484 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1733) Created page with "'''Non-Random''' is an esolang created by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] as a variation of Smallfuck, accidentslly becoming similar to [[Ash]] but being deterministically Turing complete. ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" |- ! Command !! Function |- | <code>*</cod
15:20:49 <esolangs> [[Non-Random]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189485&oldid=189484 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+14)
15:21:55 <esolangs> [[Non-Random]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189486&oldid=189485 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+16)
15:23:29 <esolangs> [[Non-Random]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189487&oldid=189486 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0)
15:28:13 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/ValkyriePL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189488 * PrySigneToFry * (+788) Created page with "ValkyriePL is yet another programming language designed by PSTF. = Overview = Valkyrie is designed for data analysis and high-precision calculation. It supports infinite-precision numbers (including float numbers) and their calculati
15:28:30 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189489&oldid=184926 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+29) /* 2025 */
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15:42:07 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189490&oldid=189034 * * (+20) /* Mathematics */ Replied to a challenge
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16:06:15 <esolangs> [[Reuts]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189492&oldid=189491 * * (-6)
16:13:34 <esolangs> [[Reuts]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189493&oldid=189492 * * (+186)
16:48:49 <esolangs> [[Passwerr]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189494 * * (+1189) Created it
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19:16:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:King In Yellow]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189496&oldid=189495 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+128)
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19:24:04 <esolangs> [[King In Yellow]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189497&oldid=186930 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+99) /* Special Case */
19:26:06 <esolangs> [[King In Yellow]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189498&oldid=189497 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-36) /* Special Case */
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19:55:35 <esolangs> [[Noback Machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189499&oldid=169656 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+2212) (8, 10) Universal Noback Machine
20:03:53 <esolangs> [[XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189500&oldid=189220 * AeroPurple * (+337) Added Vines
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20:13:56 <esolangs> [[Movesum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189501&oldid=84188 * Bangyen * (-99)
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20:26:41 <esolangs> [[Lightlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189502&oldid=135184 * Bangyen * (-99)
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20:42:45 <esolangs> [[Vines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189503&oldid=189416 * AeroPurple * (+299) This change should effect making a truth machine easier, and a cat program too
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21:03:16 <esolangs> [[Vines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189504&oldid=189503 * AeroPurple * (+133) Retry: more elegant solution (from the interpreter's standpoint)
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21:05:22 <esolangs> [[Vines]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189505&oldid=189504 * AeroPurple * (+56) Added dummy memory size for ^ example
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00:58:11 <esolangs> [[XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189506&oldid=189500 * I am islptng * (+183) +[[Polynomix]]
00:59:59 <esolangs> [[It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189507&oldid=189459 * Cleverxia * (+263)
01:00:52 <esolangs> [[It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189508&oldid=189507 * Cleverxia * (+3) /* Computational class */
01:11:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189509&oldid=189478 * Splot-dev * (+194) Responded to Corbin: thank you!
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01:56:49 <esolangs> [[JSFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189510&oldid=187054 * Cleverxia * (-7896) ?/* Computational Class */ why didn't I found that earlier
02:12:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189511&oldid=187419 * Miui * (+184) /* Collaboration? */
02:31:51 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/ValkyriePL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189512 * Cleverxia * (+396) Created page with ""[[Uiua]] --{{User:I am islptng/Template:Signature}}[[User:I am islptng| ]] 14:10, 13 August 2026 (UTC)" ~~~~ Yes I know that this isn't a array language, but islptng's speech still applies"
02:33:47 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/ValkyriePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189513&oldid=189512 * Cleverxia * (+20) disclaiming
02:43:46 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/ValkyriePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189514&oldid=189513 * I am islptng * (-39)
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02:57:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:Cleverxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189516&oldid=189515 * Cleverxia * (+125) /* QQ? */
02:59:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:Cleverxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189517&oldid=189516 * I am islptng * (+58) /* QQ? */
03:01:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Stroom]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189518 * Cleverxia * (+420) another PSTF language, another quoting
03:02:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:Stroom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189519&oldid=189518 * I am islptng * (+32)
03:03:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:Cleverxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189520&oldid=189517 * I am islptng * (+0) uhidklol
03:23:57 <esolangs> [[Vines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189521&oldid=189505 * AeroPurple * (-365) Better conditional statement section (shortened)
03:35:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:Vines]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189522 * Cleverxia * (+189) Created page with "This should be a [[BSM]] as the tape and the seeds in total can store only bounded values (2n hexits to be exact, x is program size) but I'm very unsure so I haven't changed it "
03:35:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:Vines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189523&oldid=189522 * Cleverxia * (+75)
03:46:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Vines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189524&oldid=189523 * Aadenboy * (+339)
03:51:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:Vines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189525&oldid=189524 * Cleverxia * (+122)
03:52:08 <esolangs> [[Talk:Vines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189526&oldid=189525 * Cleverxia * (+0)
04:13:21 <esolangs> [[BSM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189527&oldid=94838 * Aadenboy * (+68)
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05:55:49 <esolangs> [[It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189529&oldid=189508 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-3) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/189508|189508]] by [[Special:Contributions/Cleverxia|Cleverxia]] ([[User talk:Cleverxia|talk]]) the grid tiles an infinite grid, so its
05:56:00 <esolangs> [[It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189530&oldid=189529 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-263) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/189507|189507]] by [[Special:Contributions/Cleverxia|Cleverxia]] ([[User talk:Cleverxia|talk]])
05:59:34 <esolangs> [[Babelfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189531 * GUAqwq * (+1985) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Babelfuck |author=[[User:GUAqwq]] |year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|Turing complete]] }} '''Babelfuck''' is a [[Turing complete]] esolang which technically does nothing. It was created to pose a question about t
06:00:54 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189532&oldid=189170 * GUAqwq * (+16) /* B */ add Babelfuck
06:06:25 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/ValkyriePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189533&oldid=189514 * PrySigneToFry * (+180)
06:15:25 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/ValkyriePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189534&oldid=189488 * PrySigneToFry * (+944)
06:19:26 <esolangs> [[It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189535&oldid=189530 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+96)
06:26:03 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/ValkyriePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189536&oldid=189534 * PrySigneToFry * (+526) Python
06:26:53 <esolangs> [[The Exasperation Machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189537&oldid=188440 * Rainwave * (+475) Added TEM to brainfuck compilation
06:30:48 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/ValkyriePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189538&oldid=189533 * Cleverxia * (+141)
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07:50:04 <esolangs> [[Banana]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189539 * Dragoneater67 * (+1732) Created page with "'''Banana''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] where the program defines constraints for a string, then the interpreter picks a random string that fits the constraints and executes it as an [[Banana#Appel|Appel]] program. == Overview == The program is a newl
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08:12:13 <esolangs> [[-/Turing-completeness proof]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189541&oldid=188829 * Dragoneater67 * (+21) categorize
08:24:32 <esolangs> [[Banana]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189542&oldid=189539 * Cleverxia * (+202)
08:29:34 <esolangs> [[JSFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189543&oldid=189510 * PkmnQ * (-2358) /* Computational Class */ Golfed, returning the [[Iota]] combinator would probably be shorter, but at that point why not just return eval
08:30:34 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/ValkyriePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189544&oldid=189538 * PrySigneToFry * (+114)
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09:02:36 <esolangs> [[JSFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189545&oldid=189543 * Cleverxia * (-293) /* Computational Class */ Golfing battle continues
09:23:00 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189546&oldid=186164 * None1 * (+27)
09:27:24 <esolangs> [[No-code esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189547&oldid=186263 * None1 * (+1)
09:27:35 <esolangs> [[No-code esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189548&oldid=189547 * None1 * (+29) /* See also */
09:28:16 <esolangs> [[No-code esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189549&oldid=189548 * None1 * (+30) /* See also */
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10:03:21 <esolangs> [[ ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189550&oldid=185540 * Dragoneater67 * (+102) categorize
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10:09:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:Magnesium]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189551&oldid=187483 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+784) lol regrets
10:10:40 <esolangs> [[I Ate 562 Metric Tons Of Air And Now I Am Floating Into The Atmosphere's Various Layers At Approximately 0.401 Meters Per Second. If I Had Not Ate That Much Air Then I Would Be Fine Right Now. Now I Have To Exhale All Of This Air. The Lesson Here Is To No]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189552&oldid=181245 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-91) /* Commands */ What
10:13:02 <esolangs> [[I Ate 562 Metric Tons Of Air And Now I Am Floating Into The Atmosphere's Various Layers At Approximately 0.401 Meters Per Second. If I Had Not Ate That Much Air Then I Would Be Fine Right Now. Now I Have To Exhale All Of This Air. The Lesson Here Is To No]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189553&oldid=189552 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+291)
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11:07:02 <esolangs> [[Plea]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189554&oldid=187946 * UnavgAustralian * (-430)
11:16:32 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189555&oldid=189546 * Cleverxia * (+423) only 1 to go to 100!
11:24:50 <esolangs> [[Noback Machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189556&oldid=189499 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+153) Mention of Reset TMs
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11:28:14 <esolangs> [[Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189557&oldid=189360 * None1 * (+13) /* Introduction */
11:32:10 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189558&oldid=178981 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-588) Replaced content with "~~~~"
11:33:34 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189559&oldid=189555 * None1 * (+122) /* Type 100 */
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11:54:33 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox/partialsyntax1]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189565 * Dragoneater67 * (+2) Created page with "{{"
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11:58:55 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189567&oldid=189564 * Dragoneater67 * (+27) SUBST template transclusion can bypass most abuse filters???
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12:29:49 <esolangs> [[GNAW]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189569 * Rainwave * (+3927) New language!
12:31:18 <esolangs> [[User:Rainwave]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189570&oldid=188315 * Rainwave * (+15) Added GNAW
12:36:12 <esolangs> [[GNAW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189571&oldid=189569 * Rainwave * (+24) Forgot to add this one category
12:45:10 <esolangs> [[I Ate 562 Metric Tons Of Air And Now I Am Floating Into The Atmosphere's Various Layers At Approximately 0.401 Meters Per Second. If I Had Not Ate That Much Air Then I Would Be Fine Right Now. Now I Have To Exhale All Of This Air. The Lesson Here Is To No]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189572&oldid=189553 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+53) Change refimpl
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13:12:58 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189574&oldid=189119 * Cordership * (+73)
13:13:44 <esolangs> [[Bobotw]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189575&oldid=178536 * Cleverxia * (+44) /* See also */
13:14:07 <esolangs> [[NotDeadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189576&oldid=189154 * Cordership * (+4)
13:24:03 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership/Python programs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189577&oldid=189283 * Cordership * (+84)
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13:46:06 <esolangs> [[Coin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189578&oldid=187280 * Cleverxia * (-1366) /* Examples */
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13:59:48 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mutzerium]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189579&oldid=152986 * Cleverxia * (+553) /* whipping the corpse */ new section
14:00:57 <esolangs> [[Slet 3]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189580 * Cleverxia * (+20) I don't know why I do this but hey, I do need to do this
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15:23:25 <esolangs> [[Banana]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189582&oldid=189542 * Dragoneater67 * (+107) categorize
16:00:24 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189583&oldid=189532 * Rainwave * (+11) Added GNAW
16:21:04 <esolangs> [[Anti-Crystal Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189584&oldid=188870 * Hotcrystal0 * (-12) this is my specification of the esolang. The original wording was a bit ambiguous
16:33:43 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189585&oldid=189472 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+802)
16:44:00 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189586&oldid=189401 * Miui * (+105) /* Crystal-complete */ disclaimer
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17:19:17 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189587&oldid=189586 * Miui * (-104) /* Crystal-complete */ wait nvm they are lol
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17:44:07 <int-e> Hmm... how do we know that stuff sent in to be checked for SynthID or the Clauwn text watermark doesn't end up being used for "training"?
17:45:24 <esolangs> [[Talk:Babelfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189588 * Aadenboy * (+800) Created page with "this page doesn't make sense, I don't understand what this is trying to prove. saying that one should parse the constant string stored as brainfuck and use that as the output (assuming that's what this is getting at) completely goes against the definition that th
17:51:16 <zzo38> I don't know, but if it is public then it might be used for "training" and/or other purposes anyways, and if it is supposed to be secret then it would be a bad idea to send it to someone else other than the intended recipient.
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17:52:40 <int-e> They provide publicly accessible APIs that you submit stuff to. I don't think they provide any tools that you could run yourself.
17:53:12 <int-e> (Which is somewhat justifiable because it would aid with watermark removal.)
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18:40:01 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Between IJ and SK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189589&oldid=174228 * Bobby Jacobs * (+134) Formulae
18:40:48 <esolangs> [[Talk:Babelfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189590&oldid=189588 * Dragoneater67 * (+609) my thoughts
18:42:54 <fizzie> Well, what does the privacy policy say? You know you can trust those things.
18:43:39 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189591&oldid=183084 * Bobby Jacobs * (+349)
18:46:19 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189592&oldid=189591 * Bobby Jacobs * (+0) /* Between IJ and SK */
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19:00:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189593&oldid=189592 * Blashyrkh * (+278) /* Between IJ and SK */
19:00:17 <int-e> I guess I should ask about an existing API like Gemini's SynthID-text one.
19:05:19 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Between IJ and SK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189594&oldid=189589 * Blashyrkh * (+85) Few more formulas
19:26:17 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Between IJ and SK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189595&oldid=189594 * Blashyrkh * (+215) The rest of formulae (I hope #35 and #36 are correct)
19:27:37 <fizzie> I couldn't actually find any documentation about that one, just instructions about how you can ask Gemini to verify it (in which case the inputs would presumably be treated like any other question). And some references to the web portal, but it's behind a waitlist, and not exactly an API anyway.
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21:26:51 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Between IJ and SK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189596&oldid=189595 * Blashyrkh * (-1) Fix #36 formula
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01:27:50 <esolangs> [[EXCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189599&oldid=83431 * Bangyen * (-103)
01:29:40 <esolangs> [[Huf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189600&oldid=189598 * Bangyen * (+2)
01:31:55 <zzo38> I thought in a computer design, something about screenshots and some related things. A program should not detect if screenshots are being made (unless it has such a capability, which most don't have and even if it does have it can be a proxy, like any other capability can be), and should try to avoid knowing if the window is currently visible, too. However, there are some possible inefficiencies to be considered.
01:32:46 <zzo38> One possibility is to handle redrawing in the video card but this also might lead to problems especially if there are long animations.
01:34:07 <zzo38> One possible way that nothing can prevent, would be push the switch for the system special screen and then some command in there can be used to make a screenshot of the normal screen, but this is the full screen rather than a specific window and would be stored in a screenshot memory or a screenshot partition.
01:46:55 <esolangs> [[Albabet]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189601&oldid=189076 * Bangyen * (-80)
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02:10:59 <hppavilion[1]> Any good novel esolangs been created in the last 5 years or so? It's been a bit
02:12:59 <hppavilion[1]> I mean, I'm sure the answer is yes, just looking for recommendations.
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02:45:31 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189603&oldid=189559 * PrySigneToFry * (+493)
02:48:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mutzerium]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189604&oldid=189579 * PrySigneToFry * (+207) /* Abandoned and putted into my fictional timeline. */ new section
02:49:47 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/ValkyriePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189605&oldid=189536 * PrySigneToFry * (+179)
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04:40:07 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189607&oldid=189241 * Marcus 2n2 * (+186) /* Introductions */
04:41:54 <esolangs> [[User:Marcus 2n2/Sandbox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189608 * Marcus 2n2 * (+72) Created page with "'''test''' ''test'' '''''test''''' <big><big><big>test</big></big></big>"
04:51:47 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/ValkyriePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189609&oldid=189605 * PrySigneToFry * (+1247)
04:54:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/ValkyriePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189610&oldid=189544 * PrySigneToFry * (+171) /* Note from ~~~ */ new section
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05:01:45 <esolangs> [[User:Marcus 2n2/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189612&oldid=189611 * Marcus 2n2 * (-16)
05:03:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:KBAT]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189613 * PrySigneToFry * (+2298) /* My proof that KBAT is Turing-complete */ new section
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05:14:40 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Nomea]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189614&oldid=188252 * Miui * (+71) Lolenmayer systems
05:18:31 <esolangs> [[14]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189615 * Marcus 2n2 * (+934) Created page with "'''14''' is an esolang made by Marcus 2n2 because he likes esolangs named after numbers ==Instructions== {| class="wikitable" |- ! Symbol !! What they do |- | 1 || Pops a and pushes 10a+1. If stack is empty, push 1. |- | 4 || Pops a and pushes 10a+4. If stack is empty, pu
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05:18:50 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189616&oldid=189615 * Marcus 2n2 * (+1) /* Push 0 */
05:19:02 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189617&oldid=189616 * Marcus 2n2 * (+1) /* Input all */
05:19:17 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189618&oldid=189617 * Marcus 2n2 * (+1) /* Push 0 */
05:59:13 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189619&oldid=189618 * Marcus 2n2 * (+260)
06:01:28 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189620&oldid=189619 * Marcus 2n2 * (+84) /* Basic components */
06:04:43 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189621&oldid=189620 * Marcus 2n2 * (+88) /* Examples */
06:05:16 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189622&oldid=189621 * Marcus 2n2 * (+42) /* Instructions */
06:07:06 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189623&oldid=189597 * Ais523 * (+598) /* Most abuse filters can be bypassed using SUBST */ doing that would just be evidence that they were breaking the rules intentionally, rather than because they didn't know about them
06:08:05 <esolangs> [[User:Marcus 2n2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189624 * Marcus 2n2 * (+37) Created page with "Hello. ==Esolangs (1 so far)== [[14]]"
06:18:45 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189625&oldid=189606 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-948)
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06:22:54 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189626&oldid=189622 * Marcus 2n2 * (+421) /* Examples */
06:22:55 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189627&oldid=189573 * Im bad at naming * (+59)
06:22:58 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: in terms of my esolangs, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainpocalypse_II has already been useful in a number of TCness proofs / interpreter golf challenges, and the basic structure behind https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esimpl seems pretty fundamental and I'm hopeful that it'll lead to efficient esolang-in-esolang interpreters (although I haven't had much time to work on it)
06:23:38 <esolangs> [[14]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189628&oldid=189626 * Marcus 2n2 * (+0) /* Turing completeness proof */
06:23:50 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189629&oldid=189628 * Marcus 2n2 * (-1) /* Turing completeness proof */
06:24:20 <ais523> interestingly, Keymaker also pretty much invented Esimpl independently (https://esolangs.org/wiki/Miserie)
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06:30:16 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189630&oldid=189583 * Marcus 2n2 * (+9)
06:33:16 <esolangs> [[User:Marcus 2n2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189631&oldid=189624 * Marcus 2n2 * (+2) /* Esolangs (1 so far) */
06:35:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:Afterstar]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189632 * Ais523 * (+702) comparison to FRACTRAN
06:43:47 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189633&oldid=189629 * Marcus 2n2 * (+4) /* Infinite loop */
06:45:21 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189634&oldid=189633 * Marcus 2n2 * (+41) /* Examples */
06:45:42 <esolangs> [[14]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189635&oldid=189634 * Marcus 2n2 * (+0) /* truth-machine */
06:52:32 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189636 * Marcus 2n2 * (+233) Created page with "==Please comment here== Hello, welcome to '''''le comment section''''' --~~~~ ==Esolangs (in case you are too lazy to go to my home page== * [[14]]"
06:54:48 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189637&oldid=189636 * Marcus 2n2 * (+1) /* Esolangs (in case you are too lazy to go to my home page */
07:04:27 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189638&oldid=189637 * Marcus 2n2 * (+334)
07:05:00 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189639&oldid=189638 * Marcus 2n2 * (+14) /* Number esolangs (currently from -1 - 100, c2a) */
07:06:54 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189640&oldid=189639 * Dragoneater67 * (+160) hi
07:12:38 <esolangs> [[Talk:Babelfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189641&oldid=189590 * Dragoneater67 * (+4) add a missing work
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07:37:18 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere like esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189642&oldid=137087 * Ractangle * (-7) Removed redirect to [[Yayimhere-like esolang]]
07:38:08 <esolangs> [[BF Joust strategies]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189643&oldid=174283 * None1 * (+0) /* Breadcrumb decoys */
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07:49:29 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:/the file in question]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189645&oldid=138758 * Ractangle * (-332) Replaced content with "{{Delete|unnesesarry page}}"
07:49:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:BF Joust strategies]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189646&oldid=143213 * None1 * (+731) /* Some programs do not follow BF joust's latest syntax */ new section
07:50:45 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189647&oldid=177283 * Ractangle * (+161)
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08:03:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:BF Joust strategies]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189648&oldid=189646 * Ais523 * (+452) /* Some programs do not follow BF joust's latest syntax */ it wouldn't surprise me if there were more
08:05:37 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189649&oldid=189627 * Im bad at naming * (+1456) /* guessing area */
08:06:34 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189650&oldid=189649 * Im bad at naming * (+16) /* guessing area */
08:08:52 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189651&oldid=189650 * Im bad at naming * (+29) /* guessing area */
08:16:26 <esolangs> [[JSFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189652&oldid=189545 * None1 * (-3) /* Avoid uppercase letters */
08:19:04 <esolangs> [[User:Im bad at naming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189653&oldid=186650 * Im bad at naming * (+18)
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08:47:43 <esolangs> [[GNAW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189654&oldid=189571 * Rainwave * (+345) Added first block initialization logic to the TC proof
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09:08:39 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189655&oldid=189651 * Cleverxia * (+248) /* guessing area */
09:29:08 <esolangs> [[Copy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189656 * Cleverxia * (+662) Created page with "{{lang|a=user:cleverxia|i=SMITH (loosely)|f= unrelated to copying code forward, but rather copying recursively.}} ==Commands== '''Copy''' has registers R1 and R2. {| class="wikitable" |+ Caption text |- ! command!! meaning |- | {{cd|+ ^}} || increments R1 and R2 respecti
09:30:30 <esolangs> [[Copy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189657&oldid=189656 * Cleverxia * (+6) /* Commands */ fix
09:32:41 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189658&oldid=189655 * Cleverxia * (+118) forgot the pending
09:47:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189659&oldid=189623 * Cleverxia * (+238) /* Copy */ new section
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10:43:22 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189660&oldid=189256 * Cordership * (+318) /* Syntax */
10:44:29 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189661&oldid=189660 * Cordership * (-3) /* Syntax */
10:45:28 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189662&oldid=189661 * Cordership * (+30) /* Fibonacci sequence */
10:45:55 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189663&oldid=189662 * Cordership * (+13) /* Collatz sequence */
10:48:34 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189664&oldid=189587 * Miui * (+793) add welcome ascii
10:49:08 <esolangs> [[Talk:Babelfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189665&oldid=189641 * GUAqwq * (+981)
10:49:16 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Sakrluna * New user account
10:49:51 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189666&oldid=189664 * Miui * (-85) remove picture
10:50:25 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189667&oldid=189663 * Cordership * (+28) /* Collatz sequence */
10:50:48 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189668&oldid=189667 * Cordership * (-15) /* Collatz sequence */
10:51:08 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189669&oldid=189668 * Cordership * (+6) /* Looping counter */
10:51:21 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189670&oldid=189669 * Cordership * (-4) /* Looping counter */
10:51:47 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189671&oldid=189670 * Cordership * (+4) /* Conways Game Of Life LWSS */
10:52:30 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189672&oldid=189671 * Cordership * (+3) /* Syntax */
10:52:58 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189673&oldid=189672 * Cordership * (+18) /* Primes using Erastothenes sieve */
10:53:15 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189674&oldid=189673 * Cordership * (+26) /* Pi */
10:53:27 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189675&oldid=189674 * Cordership * (+9) /* Primes using Erastothenes sieve */
10:54:37 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189676&oldid=189675 * Cordership * (-21) /* Tommyaweosme function */
10:57:07 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189677&oldid=189593 * Blashyrkh * (+0) /* Between IJ and SK */ Fix typo. Unlambda's v is YK of course, not KY
11:05:55 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189678&oldid=189666 * Miui * (+304) add bye message
11:15:39 <esolangs> [[Kak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189679&oldid=189389 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+35) The Exasperation Machine is actually very similar to it
11:16:53 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189680&oldid=189540 * Dragoneater67 * (+377) redo desc
11:26:12 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189681&oldid=189602 * InLuaIKnow * (+1) /* Lua (made by User:InLuaIKnow) */ - fix two bugs in "" generator func
11:50:04 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189682&oldid=189658 * Im bad at naming * (-1) a typo
11:50:20 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189683&oldid=189682 * Im bad at naming * (-3)
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11:50:59 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189684&oldid=189683 * Im bad at naming * (+3) /* Hello, World!]] */
11:53:48 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189685&oldid=189684 * Im bad at naming * (+8) /* Pending programs */
11:54:27 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189686&oldid=189685 * Im bad at naming * (+0) /* Pending programs */
11:57:37 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189687&oldid=189686 * Im bad at naming * (+1) /* guessing area */
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12:14:02 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189688&oldid=189640 * Marcus 2n2 * (+29) /* Number esolangs (currently from -1 - 100, you may edit, c2a) */
12:14:48 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189689&oldid=189676 * Cordership * (+195) /* Malbolge tritwise crazy operation */
12:15:05 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189690&oldid=189432 * Cleverxia * (+26) /* Current Esolangs I've created */
12:15:28 <esolangs> [[14]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189691&oldid=189635 * Marcus 2n2 * (+0) /* Turing completeness proof */
12:18:18 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189692&oldid=189691 * Marcus 2n2 * (+9)
12:22:03 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189693&oldid=189689 * Cordership * (-24)
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12:52:41 <esolangs> [[BF Joust]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189694&oldid=188879 * None1 * (-6) /* External resources */
12:59:17 <esolangs> [[.chat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189695&oldid=172261 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+613) TC proof, it seems previous proof was similar to that but failed due to halt condition, I'm sure my solution with adjusting code to append 1 at start of program would work
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13:04:57 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189697&oldid=189625 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+407) no thats a boring combo, get like 10 bots and 40 people instead and get an inoculist tank to 4 million to see if it's still op like in the old days of woomy
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13:25:06 <esolangs> [[Pointer Calculus]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189698 * Mutasimos * (+2798) Created page with "'''Pointer Calculus''' is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:Mutasimos]] in 2026. In this language, the only datatype the programmer can use is a pointer. == Memory == Pointer Calculus' memory is one big array of pointers and a collection of
13:29:09 <esolangs> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189699&oldid=81386 * Bangyen * (-99)
13:31:00 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189700&oldid=189693 * Cordership * (-18) /* Tommyaweosme function */
13:31:48 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189701&oldid=189700 * Cordership * (+40) /* 4-function calculator */
13:32:23 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189702&oldid=189696 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+891)
13:32:28 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189703&oldid=189701 * Cordership * (+37) /* 4-function calculator */
13:32:44 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189704&oldid=189702 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0)
13:33:20 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189705&oldid=189704 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0) /* Some notable languages without known computational class */
13:33:37 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189706&oldid=189703 * Cordership * (+33) /* Ackermann function */
13:34:31 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189707&oldid=189706 * Cordership * (+13) /* Ackermann function */
13:36:27 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189708&oldid=189707 * Cordership * (+162) /* Malbolge tritwise crazy operation */
13:36:48 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189709&oldid=189708 * Cordership * (+7) /* Digital root calculator */
13:37:01 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189710&oldid=189709 * Cordership * (+7) /* Pi */
13:38:13 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189711&oldid=189710 * Cordership * (+55) /* 4-function calculator */
13:40:43 <esolangs> [[Pointer Calculus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189712&oldid=189698 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+42) categorization
13:55:26 <esolangs> [[User:Mutasimos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189713&oldid=187031 * Mutasimos * (+83)
14:12:42 <esolangs> [[The Temporary Stack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189714&oldid=189095 * Bangyen * (-79)
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15:27:38 <esolangs> [[APGsembly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189715&oldid=165045 * Hotcrystal0 * (-23)
15:29:11 <esolangs> [[Game of Life]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189716&oldid=166916 * Hotcrystal0 * (-114) duplicated theorem removed
15:30:53 <esolangs> [[Uncondition]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189717 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1665) Created page with "'''Uncondition''' - is a brainfuck derivative created by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] based on [[Brainfunct]], [[Braindead]] and [[Jumplang]]. ==Description== Language works on an 8-bit tape infinite in both directions it has <code>+-<></code> instructions borr
15:31:16 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189718&oldid=189705 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+17)
15:37:01 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189719&oldid=189718 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-9) /* Some notable languages without known computational class */ I will prove ;;; later
15:37:17 <esolangs> [[GNAW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189720&oldid=189654 * Rainwave * (+154) Added implementation by Xylochoron.
15:47:01 <esolangs> [[17]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189721 * Miui * (+286) Created page with "{{WIP}} ''17'' is an esolang designed by [[User:Miui]]. =Overview= In ''17'' the number 17 is defined as +=17. ==Operations== There is only addition of ''''. = Computational class = Unknown yet. = See also = *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupper%27s_self-referential_formul
15:48:15 <esolangs> [[17]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189722&oldid=189721 * Miui * (+31) /* Operations */ define ambiguous symbol
15:48:37 <esolangs> [[17]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189723&oldid=189722 * Miui * (+2) /* Operations */ grammer, punctuation, formatting.
15:53:33 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189724&oldid=189678 * Miui * (+18) add 17
15:54:59 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189725&oldid=189630 * Miui * (+9) /* Non-alphabetic */ added 17
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16:05:13 <esolangs> [[17]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189726&oldid=189723 * Miui * (+1) change to Stub template
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16:07:34 <esolangs> [[SOAPCAL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189727&oldid=172097 * A() * (-14) /* Multiply */
16:09:21 <esolangs> [[SOAPCAL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189728&oldid=189727 * A() * (+15) /* Syntax For Functions */
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16:20:45 <esolangs> [[GNAW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189729&oldid=189720 * Rainwave * (-2) Forgot to change the category to implemented
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18:40:54 <esolangs> [[Talk:Copy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189730 * PkmnQ * (+220) Created page with "What happens when an {{cd|<''m''|''n''>}} instruction ends with <code>-</code>, e.g. does <code><2|2>.-</code> output 0 or nothing? ~~~~"
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19:33:07 <esolangs> [[17]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189731&oldid=189726 * Miui * (+322)
19:58:04 <esolangs> [[17]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189732&oldid=189731 * Miui * (+9) /* Example programs */ fix program
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21:37:41 <esolangs> [[17]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189734&oldid=189732 * Miui * (-12) /* Example programs */ needed some coffee. i *THINK this is right, divide by 17 then multiply by 2.
21:42:04 <esolangs> [[17]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189735&oldid=189734 * Miui * (-1) /* Example programs */ punctuation
21:42:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:Kak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189736&oldid=99601 * Rainwave * (+1460) /* This is Turing complete! */ new section
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22:26:15 <esolangs> [[Vines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189737&oldid=189521 * AeroPurple * (+375) Added [[XKCD Random Number]] program
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23:35:10 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189738&oldid=189659 * Ais523 * (+854) /* Copy */ some thoughts
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23:45:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * ObjectsAreCool * New user account
23:46:09 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189739&oldid=189607 * ObjectsAreCool * (+140)
23:51:31 <esolangs> [[Polynobj (object-oriented Polynomix)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189740 * ObjectsAreCool * (+197) Created page with "{{stub}}'''Polynobj (object-oriented Polynomix)''' (also called P(OOP) or just POOP) is a language designed by [[User:PrySigneToFry]] as an object-oriented version of Polynomix. == Instructions =="
23:52:05 <esolangs> [[Polynobj (object-oriented Polynomix)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189741&oldid=189740 * ObjectsAreCool * (+4)
23:59:21 <esolangs> [[Copy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189742&oldid=189657 * Cleverxia * (+945) hopefully made clearer
00:01:32 <esolangs> [[Copy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189743&oldid=189742 * Cleverxia * (+66) /* Interpreter */
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00:08:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:Copy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189744&oldid=189730 * Cleverxia * (+258)
00:13:57 <esolangs> [[Polynobj (object-oriented Polynomix)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189745&oldid=189741 * Cleverxia * (+3) no trying to fake PSTF, as he always uses AI and never signs
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00:51:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:Polynobj (object-oriented Polynomix)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189746 * I am islptng * (+225) Created page with "I designed Polynomix in a way that you just can't do normal object-oriented things. Everything makes a copy. Good luck making this! ~~~~"
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03:15:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Brainbombs recipelike idea.png]]"
03:17:10 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189748&oldid=189490 * Miui * (+1602) /* Joke/Silly Ideas */ add idea for recipelike
03:39:47 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189749&oldid=189724 * Miui * (-140) add banner attrib
03:43:57 <esolangs> [[User:Marcus 2n2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189750&oldid=189631 * Marcus 2n2 * (+54) /* Esolangs (1 so far) */
03:48:33 <esolangs> [[0 Bits, 0 Bytes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189751&oldid=185452 * Marcus 2n2 * (+27) /* Implementations */
03:53:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189752&oldid=189511 * Miui * (+93)
03:56:35 <esolangs> [[User talk:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189753&oldid=189752 * Miui * (-11435) Blanked the page
04:09:25 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189754&oldid=189749 * Miui * (-2340) hope you enjoyed 2026!
04:14:53 <esolangs> [[Miui's 2026]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189755 * Miui * (+231) Created page with "Miui's 2026 is a programming language except you cant use it unless you get heat stroke, in a cop chase, sleep in -10 degree fahrenheit and get attacked by a pack of dogs within the span of a year. =class= simlar to [[Fuck you!]]"
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04:27:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:Miui's 2026]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189756 * Miui * (+81) Created page with "just dont~~~~"
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04:40:29 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189758&oldid=189739 * Ezyybin604 * (+297) /* Introductions */
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04:58:14 <esolangs> [[Copy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189760&oldid=189743 * Cleverxia * (+8) /* Interpreter */ fixed
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05:09:30 <esolangs> [[Polynobj (object-oriented Polynomix)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189762&oldid=189745 * PrySigneToFry * (-111)
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05:36:37 <esolangs> [[Arbitrary-Precision Floating Point Numbers]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189764 * PrySigneToFry * (+4702) Created page with "<pre> >>> 0.1 + 0.2 0.30000000000000004 </pre> This iconic scene is something that many people who do programming are probably familiar with. This is an operation in the Python console. We want to add 0.1 and 0.2 together, but t
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07:23:37 <esolangs> [[Pointer Calculus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189766&oldid=189763 * Mutasimos * (-152)
07:27:02 <esolangs> [[Copy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189767&oldid=189761 * PkmnQ * (-5) /* Commands */ Maybe clearer?
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08:43:00 <esolangs> [[Polynobj (object-oriented Polynomix)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189770&oldid=189762 * I am islptng * (+111) No, PSTF, I'm watching this. Almost impossible doesn't mean absolutely impossible.
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10:27:42 <esolangs> [[Commitlang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189771 * Mrsommer * (+12561) Initial page construction
10:28:26 <esolangs> [[Verifylang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189772 * Mrsommer * (+5518) Initial page construction
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10:38:04 <mosdfisdnfdisnf> What's up with the three lime slices in the logo? Was that there before?
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10:42:09 <int-e> yes, it's been there for years
10:43:51 <esolangs> [[;;;]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189773&oldid=175576 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+34) /* See also */
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10:45:48 <int-e> https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2005-08-31.html#l8d ff.
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11:05:31 <fizzie> Didn't we have a page about it too?
11:05:58 <fizzie> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Trilime
11:06:09 <fizzie> Not a particularly contentful page, but a page nevertheless.
11:07:48 <int-e> that page just turned 3 years old!
11:08:33 <int-e> Anyway, does this make it a triliminary logo?
11:11:56 <fizzie> It's definitely not a Triluminary, that's that Minbari thing.
11:15:07 <fizzie> I think I tried making a simplified version of the logo once that just had three squares arranged like the trilime, with matched colors (thin dark green outermost outline, slightly thicker light green border, and then the fill was the main body of the lime), but it was as hated as the trilime is liked.
11:15:31 <fizzie> Possibly out of some vague concern about the copyright status of the logo, since I don't really know where it came from.
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11:17:18 <fizzie> A web search found what's clearly the same image at https://www.foodreference.com/html/flimes.html (ad-overloaded site alert, for anyone not blocking that stuff).
11:20:55 <fizzie> The image information at https://recipes.fandom.com/wiki/Lime claims it's from "Fruit & Vegetable of the Month: Limes" article by the US CDC, which would make it properly public domain.
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11:23:31 <fizzie> Indeed there it is: https://web.archive.org/web/20070505042248/http://www.fruitsandveggiesmatter.gov/month/limes.html
11:23:40 <fizzie> Proudly illustrating a recipe for Lime Shrimp Kebabs.
11:23:47 <fizzie> Well, that's good enough for me, don't have to worry about it.
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11:25:18 <fizzie> (It wouldn't surprise me if this had all been already discussed here.)
11:26:26 <esolangs> [[The Exasperation Machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189774&oldid=189537 * Rainwave * (+1854) Added Alternating Exasperation Machine
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11:36:08 <esolangs> [[GNAW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189776&oldid=189729 * Rainwave * (+353) Added a note regarding Alternating Exasperation Machine at the end of the TC proof
11:41:07 <esolangs> [[Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189777&oldid=186151 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+7) /* Memory */
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11:48:59 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189780&oldid=189688 * Marcus 2n2 * (+111) /* Please comment here */
11:49:49 <esolangs> [[Stash/guess]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189781&oldid=189779 * Im bad at naming * (+5) /* looping counter */
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11:50:38 <esolangs> [[Talk:Kak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189783&oldid=189736 * Rainwave * (-6) As I promised, AEM has been created
11:50:52 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189784&oldid=189782 * Marcus 2n2 * (+1) /* Number esolangs (currently from -1 - 100, you may edit, may turn this into a categoryc2a) */
11:55:49 <esolangs> [[2dFish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189785&oldid=189068 * Bangyen * (-99)
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12:06:26 <esolangs> [[Copy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189787&oldid=189767 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+18) /* Commands */ de-confuse
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12:11:47 <esolangs> [[Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189789&oldid=188155 * Timwi * (+368) Three new functions, and move the miscellaneous section a bit since it now contains some much less basic functions
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12:22:32 <esolangs> [[14]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189790&oldid=189692 * Marcus 2n2 * (+0) /* Examples */
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12:28:40 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189792&oldid=189758 * Klk bb * (+164)
12:37:47 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ziim]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189793&oldid=36618 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+203) /* "implemented" and the Interpreter? */
12:38:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:14]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189794 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+164) Created page with "Is it 8-bit bounded BF or not? in the TC proof. --~~~~"
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12:54:36 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189797&oldid=189711 * Cordership * (+1) /* Examples */
12:55:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189798&oldid=189795 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+170)
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13:04:48 <esolangs> [[Tr]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189800 * Klk bb * (+795) Created page with "{{lowercase}} [[Tr]] is a small esolang primarily based on examples. == Tr overview == The name ''tr'' comes from the Spanish word ''tiro'', abbreviated as ''tr''. The language outputs ''tiro'' when given invalid syntax, which inspired the name.<br> Tr only accepts one comman
13:08:14 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189801 * Klk bb * (+6) Created page with "[[tr]]"
13:09:54 <esolangs> [[Tr]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189802&oldid=189800 * Klk bb * (+29)
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13:21:12 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189804&oldid=189765 * None1 * (+491) /* I might be able to add Polynomix to IEO if you want */ new section
13:21:48 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189805&oldid=189804 * None1 * (+4) /* I might be able to add Polynomix to IEO if you want */
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13:22:36 <esolangs> [[I Ate 562 Metric Tons Of Air And Now I Am Floating Into The Atmosphere's Various Layers At Approximately 0.401 Meters Per Second. If I Had Not Ate That Much Air Then I Would Be Fine Right Now. Now I Have To Exhale All Of This Air. The Lesson Here Is To No]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189806&oldid=189572 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+10) the path changed
13:24:00 <esolangs> [[Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189807&oldid=189791 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-967) Add more examples and refimpl
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13:28:27 <esolangs> [[Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189809&oldid=189808 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-20) /* Instructions */ Another correction
13:30:38 <esolangs> [[Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189810&oldid=189809 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+187) /* Instructions */ Yet another correction
13:33:01 <esolangs> [[Copy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189811&oldid=189787 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+9) /* Commands */ de-confuse pt.2
13:33:10 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189812&oldid=189799 * Cordership * (+393) /* Classes */
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13:50:29 <esolangs> [[Tr++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189813 * Klk bb * (+435) Created page with "{{lowercase}} [[Tr++]] is an extension of [[tr]] developed by [[User:Klk bb]] that adds a couple of commands. ==Commands== In addition to the "2" command from the original [[tr]], [[tr++]] adds: <code>3</code> outputs "4" ([[XKCD Random Number]]). <code>4</code> is the op
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13:58:05 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189815&oldid=189805 * I am islptng * (+139) /* I might be able to add Polynomix to IEO if you want */
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14:15:51 <b_jonas> random video about a toy personal computer from 1963, so old that it's hard to tell if it counts as esoteric. it's certainly not meant for production applications, but if you have a personal computer that's an educational toy to teach young people computing that alone wouldn't count as esoteric. => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y8bGBE71yw
14:16:52 <b_jonas> probably has enough historical significance to document it on the wiki.
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14:34:28 <b_jonas> name is Digi-comp 1 for reference
14:36:10 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189816&oldid=189812 * Cordership * (+175) /* Classes */
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15:00:10 <esolangs> [[Tr++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189817&oldid=189813 * Dragoneater67 * (+205) add examples; categorize
15:00:54 <esolangs> [[Tr]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189818&oldid=189802 * Dragoneater67 * (+108) categorize
15:02:33 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189819&oldid=189790 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-64) /* Turing completeness proof */
15:03:39 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189820&oldid=189819 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+208) /* Turing completeness proof */
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15:09:58 <korvo> I'm alright. Squirrels keep eating my plants.
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15:10:57 <Yayimheretoo> I feel you have a lot of random stuff going on at every moment. but I guess thats just what im told
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15:12:31 <korvo> That's what being an adult is like.
15:13:26 <korvo> I sprinkled crushed red chili pepper on the most vulnerable plants. It could be worse; if it were crows or other birds, I'd have to figure out a stronger deterrent.
15:14:35 <Yayimheretoo> I wonder why birds specifically just arent capsaicin affected
15:15:47 <Yayimheretoo> on the topic of birds, its nice to see them coming by now that I also live a place closer to nature
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15:25:53 <Yayimheretoo> also aadenboy, I have a programming language which im struggling at proving the computational class of, you might be able to prove it so I wanted to ask, if you wanted to try?
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16:26:20 <aadenboy> I'll take a look at the esolang and see what I can do but I'm definitely not that versed in proving comp class as others are lol
16:28:34 <Yayimheretoo> you seem pretty good at proving the comp class for weird things atleast
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16:34:37 <korvo> aadenboy: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUl4u3cNGP6317WaSNfmCvGym2ucw3oGp I think this is the one I'm thinking of.
16:35:45 <korvo> This is an open course on analyzing the complexity of algorithms. These techniques are what you'd use for complexity-theoeretic analysis.
16:36:14 <Yayimheretoo> I know its not addressed to me but sounds interesting
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16:36:54 <korvo> Oh, for sure. I was going to ping you too. Take a look, but don't feel bad if they're a little advanced for you right now; you might want to come back after another year or two of writing small programs.
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16:37:30 <aadenboy> korvo: ah, thanks! I'll look into that
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16:37:59 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: You should take a look, but don't feel bad if they're a bit advanced for you right now.
16:43:01 <Yayimheretoo> I usually dont feel bad if I dont understand smth, luckily enough
16:43:19 <Yayimheretoo> its mostly a thing of trying to understand the terms I dont already know
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16:55:18 <esolangs> [[Tr]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189822&oldid=189818 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+25) /* Examples */
16:57:42 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: FWIW I think that you could probably learn the material, if you were really motivated. However, right now, building experience by writing small programs is more important. It will give you the intuition for algorithms later on.
16:58:30 <Yayimheretoo> korvo: I'll probably try learning it but yea, I do need to focus more on programming
16:58:45 <Yayimheretoo> still looking for a programming language to use, I am tired of python
17:04:07 <Yayimheretoo> ive actually been thinking of using the verse language
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17:06:26 <korvo> Verse has some foundational issues. Also, it's not open source, which is always a bad sign. But some of the underlying ideas of Verse are good.
17:06:53 <korvo> Hilariously, the thing I'd compare it with is Dynamicland, which also has foundational issues and isn't open-source and has underlying good ideas.
17:07:03 <korvo> Maybe that's not hilarious. I didn't really get sleep last night.
17:07:33 <Yayimheretoo> well then I will stay away Fromm verse then lol
17:08:02 <Yayimheretoo> i have also only seen the index square bracket little thing
17:13:51 <korvo> You might find some of the linked presentations here to be interesting: https://lobste.rs/s/usdhrd/verse_new_scripting_language
17:14:05 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189823&oldid=189567 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+15)
17:14:47 <korvo> The open-source community doing these sorts of transactional actors is mostly focused on Syndicate right now: https://syndicate-lang.org/
17:17:33 <esolangs> [[?index.php]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189824 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+178) Created page with "{{stub}} '''?index.php''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] by [[User:Dragoneater67]]. == External resources == * [https://codeberg.org/de67/index.php Codeberg repository]"
17:18:25 <Yayimheretoo> Now that im looking into languages Racket seems interesting atleast
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18:30:35 <lisbeths> so my fastspungus implementation is gplv2
18:30:55 <lisbeths> however this readme.md is written by claude haiku 4.5 https://github.com/memesmith67/fastspungus/blob/main/README.md
18:31:04 <lisbeths> and I have not announced the license of this readme yet
18:31:18 <lisbeths> so maybe this can assist in document what im making on the wiki
18:33:12 <int-e> If you wrote it you can relicense it. If an LLM wrote it... well we'll have to see but for now the dominant theory appears to be that that's not copyrightable. In any case, the wiki supports links.
18:34:45 <korvo> lisbeths: Claude is not an author for purposes of copyright in the USA or UK, sorry.
18:35:12 <lisbeths> korvo I wasnt trying to imply claude was ;)
18:35:56 <Yayimheretoo> oh god the emojis. Libera is cursed lol. Or idk if its Libera specific but y'know whatever is causing it
18:36:02 <lisbeths> theres some mistakes in claudes documentations
18:36:24 <int-e> Yayimheretoo: the emojis are your client's doing. that was a semicolon followed by a closing parenthesis
18:36:28 <lisbeths> eh its better than zero documentation
18:36:47 <aadenboy> Yayimheretoo: depends on the client you use
18:36:58 <int-e> But I guess it's the webchat, so yeah Libera's fault.
18:37:59 <int-e> surely they have an option for that somewhere 🙏
18:38:20 <int-e> (that was an actual emoji; it felt appropriate in context :P)
18:38:23 <aadenboy> tried removing all of the icons and now ;) is a lifesaver lmao
18:39:27 <b_jonas> I think at least that client doesn't turn the :D in Data::Dumper into a grinning face like Mibbit did
18:39:39 <int-e> Yayimheretoo: and the best part is, my terminal displays it as a square, so I "have to" remember what I wrote
18:40:04 <Yayimheretoo> ive had this conversation in this chat 2 times now lol
18:40:52 <b_jonas> though IIRC if you enter a double space in the input box it still sends a space nbsp. I wish we finally got past that historical accident and just use the CSS setting to not mangle whitespaces in HTML everywhere already.
18:41:24 <b_jonas> (except for unquoted newlines in attribute values – that historical feature isn't so easy to fix)
18:41:53 <Yayimheretoo> I love hearing how many historical things is in all of programming and tech
18:42:09 <Yayimheretoo> its quite funny how many issues it seems to cause
18:42:56 <lisbeths> I just had claude write a likely significantly better version of the documentation
18:43:18 <Yayimheretoo> would lovely to write yourself, but each to them owns
18:43:27 <lisbeths> basically claudes documenation should help to smooth the friction of licensing issues to get fastspungus licensed to used on esolang wiki
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18:50:24 <korvo> lisbeths: I mean that if you didn't write the README then you don't get to choose the license for it. Claude isn't an author; Claude cannot put a license to its output.
18:50:58 <lisbeths> korvo yes I suspect you are currently right that htat currently is how the law works in my counry
18:51:06 <korvo> Chatbot output is either infringing, in the case when it is a copy of some existing copyrighted text; or not eligible for copyright otherwise.
18:51:09 <lisbeths> that is intentionally one of the reaosns why I did it
18:52:27 <korvo> Okay. Please note that https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Copyrights requires either you or somebody else to have written stuff in order to be eligible for wiki.
18:54:16 <lisbeths> on the one hand I am not ready to write the wiki
18:54:51 <lisbeths> on the other hand no one is stopping anyone from reading this documentation to learn the technology, then writing their own documentation by hand and licensing it
18:55:01 <lisbeths> so this is just a step in the right direction
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18:59:15 <korvo> If you say so. I don't think Claude's ever useful.
19:06:39 <fizzie> I got a (monochrome) symbol for 🙏 but it was really hard to parse, it looked a bit like a penguin.
19:08:13 <fizzie> And I definitely remember seeing Data:😀umper somewhere.
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00:00:35 <zzo38> The xkcd 2137 shows a bad (but, unfortunately it is common) way of text entry on television. A better way is certainly possible, and I have done so; you can push 68775 and search and then hopefully it will find it; but, it is not compatible with most existing television service providers these days unless you are able to use your own software with it.
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00:19:26 <zzo38> I would think that it should be a obvious method, although sometimes it only seem obvious if you already know.
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00:31:17 <esolangs> [[Integer Stack Machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189838&oldid=182556 * Doors * (-12) Corrected decidability status
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03:18:02 <zzo38> The QOI file format uses the calculation: index_position = (r * 3 + g * 5 + b * 7 + a * 11) % 64 Do any compilers have optimizations that use modular inverses to calculate this (if this owuld be suitable for the target computer), and are there computers where such a thing would be helpful?
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05:50:12 <aadenboy> not gonna make the same mistake as last night and shut off my computer lol
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06:42:40 <esolangs> [[User:Im bad at naming/Sandbox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189843 * Im bad at naming * (+10) Created page with "Something."
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07:29:04 <esolangs> [[User:GeethanPfeifer/Sandbox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189848 * GeethanPfeifer * (+4) Created page with "temp"
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07:54:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189851&oldid=189803 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+218) ----
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07:56:19 <esolangs> [[User:GeethanPfeifer/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189854&oldid=189853 * GeethanPfeifer * (+0) /* tsmat */
07:56:34 <esolangs> [[User:GeethanPfeifer/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189855&oldid=189854 * GeethanPfeifer * (+0) /* Semantics */
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08:22:59 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189871&oldid=189870 * Miui * (-229) its a joke lang but i think this is funnier and more coherent
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08:28:10 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189874&oldid=189873 * Miui * (+121) /* Computational class */ maybe
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10:37:59 <esolangs> [[Bobby]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189892 * Klk bb * (+1161) Created page with "[[Bobby]] is a small, character-based esoteric programming language based on an accumulator. It has commands for incrementing the accumulator by 2, decrementing it by 1, outputting the accumulator, and printing the string "bobby". ===Commands=== {| class="wikitable" ! Co
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10:42:13 <esolangs> [[Template:Infobox AI proglang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189894 * Miui * (+3578) Created page with "<includeonly><table style="float:right;border:1px solid silver;background-color:rgb(249, 249, 249);max-width:256px;padding:5px;"> <caption>'''{{{name|{{PAGENAME}}}}}'''</caption> {{#if: {{{image|}}} | <tr> <td colspan="2">[[{{{image}}}|200px|center]]</
10:42:50 <esolangs> [[Threescore]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189895 * Miui * (+11375) Created page with "{{infobox AI proglang |name=Threescore |paradigms=[[:Category:Cellular automata|cellular automaton]], self-modifying |director=[[User:Miui]] |model=Claude Opus 5 |year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] |memsys=[[:Category:Cell-based|cell-based]] |dimensions=one-dimensional |clas
10:54:42 <esolangs> [[Problemang Sikat]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189896 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+7651) I'll come back to this later.
10:57:26 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189897&oldid=189697 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-965) /* mesmerizer (2026) */
11:01:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Uiua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189898&oldid=170832 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-665) I think I just didn't see the footnote
11:04:33 <esolangs> [[Problemang Sikat]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189899&oldid=189896 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+19) "Problemang Sikat" is a literal translation, since I don't know if Filipino has a word for "problem" in the sense of "math problem"
11:06:17 <esolangs> [[Pu++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189900 * Klk bb * (+814) Created page with "[[Pu++]] is an extension of [[Pu]] that adds the <code>U</code> instruction. ===Commands=== {| class="wikitable" ! Command !! Description |- | <code>p</code> || Prints <code>Hello, world!</code> |- | <code>[</code> || Prints <code>pu</code> |- | <code>]</code> || Prints <co
11:07:19 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189901&oldid=189893 * Klk bb * (+11)
11:17:10 <esolangs> [[NotDeadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189902&oldid=189576 * Cordership * (+236) /* Why this isn't deadfish */
11:39:01 <esolangs> [[The Wind Chaser]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189903&oldid=189840 * PrySigneToFry * (+2151)
11:39:15 <esolangs> [[Pu++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189904&oldid=189900 * Klk bb * (+8)
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11:57:27 <esolangs> [[Str]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189905&oldid=175708 * Im bad at naming * (-4) fixed some typos
12:06:13 <esolangs> [[Problemang Sikat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189906&oldid=189899 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+533) /* Base functions */ Clarify what a "base function" is, what a function suppressor really is, and add some other helpful functions.
12:06:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189907&oldid=189880 * Blashyrkh * (+215) /* Interpreter */ The proposals are just proposals. Reword a little bit
12:15:01 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb/Sandbox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189908 * Klk bb * (+0) Created blank page
12:15:13 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189909&oldid=189901 * Klk bb * (+38)
12:18:28 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189910&oldid=183222 * Blashyrkh * (+36) Add [[-]] to my list of implemented esolangs
12:31:06 <esolangs> [[Tsmat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189911&oldid=189891 * GeethanPfeifer * (+0) /* Implementation details */
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12:46:24 <esolangs> [[User talk:CenTdemeern1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189912&oldid=178567 * Im bad at naming * (+108)
12:47:00 <esolangs> [[User talk:CenTdemeern1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189913&oldid=189912 * Im bad at naming * (+5)
13:00:07 <esolangs> [[Problemang Sikat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189914&oldid=189906 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+3307) Add some more stuff and fix some precedence errors
13:03:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:Klk bb]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189915 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+179) my opinion
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13:23:49 <esolangs> [[User talk:Hex96]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189916&oldid=131376 * Im bad at naming * (+245)
13:31:29 <esolangs> [[Yappacino]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189917&oldid=166791 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-2229) licensing issues. it's pretty funny to see how long this lasted
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14:02:26 <esolangs> [[The kids choice awards]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189918&oldid=176543 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+8075) Add some languages
14:46:34 <esolangs> [[NotDeadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189919&oldid=189902 * Cordership * (+31) /* Interpreter */
14:57:26 <int-e> Man, reddit math is *weird*: '2 points (76% upvoted)'
15:04:07 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189920&oldid=189890 * Cordership * (+571)
15:06:19 <esolangs> [[The kids choice awards]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189921&oldid=189918 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+27668) /* DNA# */ This took an hour
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15:07:17 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189922&oldid=189836 * Miui * (+54) /* miscellany */
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15:15:21 <esolangs> [[Problemang Sikat]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189923&oldid=189914 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+6) /* Truth-machine */ bruh
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16:11:33 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189924&oldid=189876 * Miui * (+2665) add brainfuck interpreter and technically wrong title disclaimer
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16:22:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pgmpietoncracklang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189925 * Miui * (+163) Created page with "===re: brainfuck quine=== You can run for verification it you compile teh pgm to png here: https://iannmiui-png.github.io/konsol/%EC%95%84%EC%9D%B4%EB%94%94/konsol"
16:24:24 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189926&oldid=189924 * Miui * (+12) /* brainfuck Quine */ utilize comment section, previously it was the default irfanview pgm comment
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16:27:06 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189927 * Klk bb * (+1149) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name= |author=[[User:Klk bb]] |year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] }} '''''' is a [[brainfuck]] [[:Category:Brainfuck derivatives|derivative]] [[esoteric programming language]] that removes brainfuck's Turing completeness, input, and loops. It has only one memory c
16:28:35 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189928&oldid=189927 * Klk bb * (+8)
16:36:36 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189929&oldid=189909 * Klk bb * (+12)
16:49:02 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189930&oldid=189928 * Klk bb * (+99)
16:49:29 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189931&oldid=189930 * Klk bb * (+0) /* XKCD Random Number */
17:04:09 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189932&oldid=189926 * Miui * (+404) /* Computational class */ notgoing to specify .gifs. Instead, specifying Korean Shakespeare.
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17:12:34 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189933&oldid=189932 * Miui * (+26) reformatted the pgmpietonpeper exampleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
17:13:27 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189934&oldid=189931 * Klk bb * (+10395)
17:17:27 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189935&oldid=167324 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+265) /* BF to RSI0 */ Major erratum
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17:24:08 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189936&oldid=189935 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-265) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/189935|189935]] by [[Special:Contributions/RaiseAfloppaFan3925|RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] ([[User talk:RaiseAfloppaFan3925|talk]]), stupid idiot you should read stuff first
17:42:32 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189937&oldid=189933 * Miui * (+651) change computational to reference Tip instead of Fractran; promise to do interpreter
17:43:02 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189938&oldid=189937 * Miui * (+1) /* examples */ fix formatting
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17:51:58 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189939&oldid=189934 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+29) tagging as slop as the use of bolding and overexplanation is suspicious
17:53:01 <esolangs> [[The kids choice awards]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189940&oldid=189921 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+2) /* C/C++ */ puts adds a newline at the end
17:56:41 <esolangs> [[The kids choice awards]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189941&oldid=189940 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+3) I think GDScript has printraw right? I'm pretty sure that one doesn't print newlines.
18:05:08 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189942&oldid=189938 * Miui * (+326) add interpreter
18:06:03 <esolangs> [[The kids choice awards]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189943&oldid=189941 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+822) Mark implementations that put newlines at the end because it's quite literally impossible for them to print without newlines.
18:28:32 <esolangs> [[Ringfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189944&oldid=188937 * Miui * (+238) distinguish confusion from Ryan Hornby's 2023 SIGBOVIK submission and add interpreter page
18:38:24 <esolangs> [[Ringfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189945&oldid=189944 * Miui * (-2) /* See also */ format link
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18:51:45 <esolangs> [[Ringfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189946&oldid=189945 * Miui * (-9) no longer a stub!
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19:01:59 <esolangs> [[Ringfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189947&oldid=189946 * Miui * (+60) /* Computational class */ clarify that it is an extension of brainfuck (thus TC)
19:03:22 <esolangs> [[Ringfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189948&oldid=189947 * Miui * (+27) /* See also */ link rianfuck extensions
19:04:36 <esolangs> [[Ringfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189949&oldid=189948 * Miui * (+10) add "extension" to main description of the language
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19:41:00 <esolangs> [[Noa]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189950 * Klk bb * (+1562) Created page with "[[Noa]] is a minimalist [[esoteric programming language|esolang]] based on the [[Hello, world!]] and [[Quine]]. ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" ! Command !! Description |- | <code>&</code> || Outputs [[Hello, world!]]. |- | <code>8</code> || Outputs [[Hello, world!]] back
19:44:20 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189951&oldid=189929 * Klk bb * (+5)
19:46:49 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/oiji.py]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189952 * Miui * (+1390) Created page with "<pre> #!/usr/bin/env python3 # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- """ (Oiji) 1.29295 / reference implementation.""" import sys = "\U0001F952" # grow = "\U0001F52A" # peel = "\U0001FAD9" # pickle def (: str) -> str: = 0 # length of the cucum
19:46:51 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189953 * Miui * (+6926) Created page with ":''This page describes a language designed with the assistance of a large language model. The Hello, World! program below has been executed and verified against the reference interpreter.'' '''''' (''Oiji'', "pickled cucumber") is an esoteric programming language by [[User:Miui]
20:11:48 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189954&oldid=189953 * Corbin * (-18) Fix categories.
20:20:13 <esolangs> [[Huh (Klk bb)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189955 * Klk bb * (+300) Created page with "'''Huh''' is minimalistic esolang by [[User:Klk bb]] using commands <code>h</code> to increment and <code>u</code> to output as ASCII (then zeroing accumulator) ====examples==== =====[[XKCD Random Number]]===== hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhu =
20:21:54 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189956&oldid=189951 * Klk bb * (+9)
20:26:24 <esolangs> [[A!&!A]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189957&oldid=162384 * Klk bb * (-19)
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21:42:55 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189958&oldid=189936 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+1178) Happy "early by 2 months" birthday, RSI0!
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22:13:58 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189959&oldid=189958 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+207) Fix some programs
22:17:32 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189960&oldid=189959 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+224) /* Examples */ lol here's a cheating error quine
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22:49:44 <esolangs> [[Ks]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189961 * Klk bb * (+473) Created page with "{{distinguish/Confusion|kS}} {{lowercase}} ks is minimalistic esolang just output ks and sk ===commands=== {| !command!!description |- |k||output ks<br> |- |s||output sk |} ===example=== ks output: <pre> ks sk </pre> ===python interpreter=== <code>print('\n'.join({'k': 'ks',
22:51:39 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189962&oldid=189956 * Klk bb * (+8)
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02:05:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189963&oldid=189677 * Cleverxia * (+222) /* iota */ new section
02:47:14 <esolangs> [[Meta Cat Program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189964&oldid=189886 * Cleverxia * (+129) /* Implementations */
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03:31:33 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189965&oldid=189963 * PkmnQ * (+247) /* Between IJ and SK */
03:41:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189966&oldid=189845 * Merowing * (+163) add introduction
04:13:23 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189967&oldid=189965 * Cleverxia * (+244) /* Between IJ and SK */
04:14:37 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189968&oldid=189967 * Cleverxia * (+92) /* Between IJ and SK */
04:49:12 <esolangs> [[2-SSI]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189969 * Marcus 2n2 * (+816) Redirected page to [[2SSI]]
04:49:43 <esolangs> [[2-SSI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189970&oldid=189969 * Marcus 2n2 * (-59) Removed redirect to [[2SSI]]
04:51:11 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189971&oldid=189841 * Marcus 2n2 * (+12)
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05:50:06 <esolangs> [[Brainlessfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189972&oldid=188820 * VIBaJ * (+1781)
06:07:38 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * AngeloDesolang * New user account
06:18:26 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/25]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189973&oldid=164252 * PrySigneToFry * (+472)
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07:11:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189974&oldid=189968 * Blashyrkh * (+672)
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07:18:00 <esolangs> [[2-SSI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189975&oldid=189970 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+86) categorize
07:23:47 <esolangs> [[-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189976&oldid=189881 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+321) /* One file mode */ add comments
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07:44:47 <esolangs> [[User:Marcus 2n2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189977&oldid=189778 * Marcus 2n2 * (+76) /* Esolangs (1 so far) */
07:45:10 <esolangs> [[User:Marcus 2n2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189978&oldid=189977 * Marcus 2n2 * (+0) /* Esolangs (2 so far) */
07:45:27 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189979&oldid=189784 * Marcus 2n2 * (+13) /* Esolangs (in case you are too lazy to go to my home page) */
07:46:48 <esolangs> [[2SSI]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189980 * Marcus 2n2 * (+19) Redirected page to [[2-SSI]]
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08:00:18 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189981&oldid=189971 * Marcus 2n2 * (-1)
08:00:46 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189982&oldid=189981 * Marcus 2n2 * (+1)
08:02:33 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189983&oldid=189974 * Blashyrkh * (+0) /* iota */ question mark
08:16:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189984&oldid=189983 * Cleverxia * (+252) /* iota */
08:21:40 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189985&oldid=189942 * Miui * (+28)
08:27:22 <esolangs> [[2-SSI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189986&oldid=189975 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+7) /* Example: */
08:28:52 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189987&oldid=189984 * Blashyrkh * (+693) /* iota */
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08:53:43 <esolangs> [[KLMNOPQRSTU]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189988 * Cleverxia * (+1097) Created page with "KLMNOPQRSTU is a nihilistic esolang derivatived of [[NOPQRST]] which is a push-down automaton. ==syntax == KLMNOPQRSTU operates on a [[stack]] of values, and has11 commands. K - Klears the stack L - Loads the accumulator onto the stack M - Memorize
08:55:47 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189989&oldid=189690 * Cleverxia * (+55) /* Current Esolangs I've created */
09:06:54 <esolangs> [[KLMNOPQRSTU]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189990&oldid=189988 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+9) is your spacebar broken??
09:07:20 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189991&oldid=189960 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-32) Move examples to bottom
09:11:18 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189992&oldid=189982 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+711) Add the rest of my languages
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09:21:36 <esolangs> [[Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189993&oldid=189789 * Timwi * (+524) New functions
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09:41:01 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189994&oldid=189991 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+356) RSI0 actually has an indeterminate computational class
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09:59:51 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189995&oldid=189994 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+1522) Add some extensions
10:06:14 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189996&oldid=189995 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+106) /* Base Commands */ add this
10:06:23 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Kapikulu * New user account
10:06:32 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189997&oldid=189996 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+75) /* Computational class */ AMM extensions
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10:41:17 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189999&oldid=189897 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+866)
10:42:58 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190000&oldid=189999 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-995)
11:04:59 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190001&oldid=178478 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+2146) idk
11:08:11 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190002&oldid=190001 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+70)
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11:43:28 <esolangs> [[Free Esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190003&oldid=179142 * Marcus 2n2 * (+405) /* Additions */
11:49:08 <esolangs> [[Free Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190004&oldid=190003 * Marcus 2n2 * (+7) /* quine */
11:51:19 <esolangs> [[Free Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190005&oldid=190004 * Marcus 2n2 * (+90) /* Additions */
11:53:08 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190006&oldid=190000 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+10) /* My favorite esolangs that I made */ phrasing.
11:54:03 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190007&oldid=189998 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+94) /* Extensions */
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11:59:22 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190008&oldid=189966 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+232) /* Introductions */
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12:04:54 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190027&oldid=190007 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-26) replace my old username
12:06:58 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190028&oldid=190009 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-118)
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12:23:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190029&oldid=190025 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+176) question
12:26:39 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190030&oldid=190029 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+608) /* Why did you change the number */
12:27:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190031&oldid=190030 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+289) /* Why did you change the number */ lol my signature got wrecked
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12:52:11 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190033&oldid=186937 * PrySigneToFry * (+761)
13:09:56 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190034&oldid=190033 * PrySigneToFry * (+44)
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13:30:25 <esolangs> [[89]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190035 * Miui * (+1045) Created page with "{{Stub}} '''89''' is type of time machine. =interpreters= '''HTML''' <!doctype html> <meta charset="utf-8"> <title>89</title> <pre id="d"></pre> <script> function fib(n){let a=0,b=1;for(let i=0;i<n;i++)[a,b]=[b,a+b];return a} const f=fib(11),n=12,s=[]; for(let i=0;i<n;i++)s.p
13:30:53 <esolangs> [[89]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190036&oldid=190035 * Miui * (+14) /* interpreters */
13:32:39 <esolangs> [[89]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190037&oldid=190036 * Miui * (-106) /* interpreters */
13:34:08 <esolangs> [[89]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190038&oldid=190037 * Miui * (+0) /* semantic note */ *type
13:37:42 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190039&oldid=189922 * Miui * (+29) /* miscellany */
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15:01:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:NOPQRST]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190041 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+162) Created page with "would be nice with a proof of PDA equivalence --~~~~"
15:02:47 <esolangs> [[Zip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190042&oldid=188513 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+47) tag as slop
15:10:19 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190043&oldid=189962 * Klk bb * (+9) I mixed up [[huh?]] and [[huh (klk bb)]]
15:10:33 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190044&oldid=190043 * Klk bb * (+0)
15:10:46 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190045&oldid=190031 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+114)
15:13:14 <esolangs> [[Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190046&oldid=189810 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+122) proper categorization hello???
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15:26:22 <esolangs> [[Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190047&oldid=190046 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+0) change number
15:26:49 <esolangs> [[89]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190048&oldid=190038 * Miui * (-29) i have not figured out wether 89 inherents nocode properties from Time
15:26:52 <esolangs> [[Problemang Sikat]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190049&oldid=189923 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+0) change number
15:27:31 <esolangs> [[Problemang Sikat]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190050&oldid=190049 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+0) wtf
15:28:05 <esolangs> [[Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190051&oldid=190047 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+0) ok
15:28:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190052&oldid=190045 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+125) /* Why did you change the number */
15:32:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:NOPQRST]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190053&oldid=190041 * PkmnQ * (+164)
15:32:46 <esolangs> [[NOPQRST]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190054&oldid=185210 * PkmnQ * (-13) /* See also */
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15:38:51 <esolangs> [[Magnesium]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190055&oldid=187479 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-9) change number
15:39:55 <esolangs> [[Dango]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190056&oldid=185386 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-83) change number and fix link
15:40:23 <esolangs> [[Nonstraightforward]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190057&oldid=188335 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) change number
15:40:55 <esolangs> [[Atamagaokashii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190058&oldid=168930 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) change number, also this never existed what are you talking about
15:41:04 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190059&oldid=190044 * Klk bb * (-141)
16:14:12 <esolangs> [[Eeeeh]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190060 * Klk bb * (+464) Created page with "__NOTOC__ {{infobox proglang |name=Eeeeh |author=[[User:Klk bb]] |year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] |influence=[[!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]], [[Whitespace]] }} '''eeeeeeheeee''' ''(eheee)'' eeeheee eheeee, heeee ehh =====Commands===== {| !command!!Python equivalent |- |e||break |- |e||pr
16:14:39 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190061&oldid=190059 * Klk bb * (+11)
16:18:15 <esolangs> [[Semi-Order]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190062 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1274) Created page with "A '''Semi-Order''' is a data type based on lists and sets, specifically, acting as a midpoint between them. == Description == There are two descriptions. One is more "formal" while the other is in plain language. === Formal === [ ... , x , ... , y ] [ ..
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16:43:54 <esolangs> [[Robots.txt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190063&oldid=188358 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+4) link to [[semi-order]]
16:47:02 <esolangs> [[Semi-order]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190064 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+24) add redirect
16:51:00 <esolangs> [[Leetlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190065&oldid=182164 * Squidmanescape * (+702) clarified something
17:04:34 <esolangs> [[Semi-Order]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190066&oldid=190062 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+46)
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17:21:11 <korvo> To the Pacific, more or less. It's the tail of morning here in Pacific Northwest and top of morning out in Hawaii.
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17:31:07 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190069&oldid=188958 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+279) /* user sandboxes? */ new section
17:33:00 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190070&oldid=190069 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+374) /* user sandboxes? */
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17:33:52 <esolangs> [[Good writing, bad execution]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190071&oldid=166437 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-627) stupid.
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18:21:19 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190073&oldid=190040 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+191) /* Hello, world! */ Technically this second one works but it's very probabilistic. 10/10 would use this one
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19:19:27 <aadenboy> korvo: morning to you in the PNW too!
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01:12:19 <MarkFan8901> is this a good place to ask for language help?
01:16:32 <zzo38> Do you have a specific question about it?
01:17:05 <MarkFan8901> really we just need some other ppl to bounce ideas off of
01:18:42 <MarkFan8901> its a string rewriting language which we wanna design specifically around compilation/interpretation of other programming languages
01:22:05 <MarkFan8901> the general way programming would be done is by having two files, the program (the thing ralsei actually runs) and the input (the thing the program works on)
01:23:21 <MarkFan8901> firstly, the ability to 'pass through' things from the input into the program
01:23:45 <MarkFan8901> to give the ability to create languages with truly arbitrary syntax
01:25:26 <MarkFan8901> ie (at a very high level) some baloney like `(new rule, infix addition, "%a + %b", (+, a, b)) (display, 1 + 2) ; would print 3`
01:26:36 <MarkFan8901> secondly, we want whatever system we use for that to be pretty practical
01:28:05 <MarkFan8901> ie easy support for stuff like libraries and whatnot
01:29:27 <MarkFan8901> but the main premise is a language to write other languages in, with the power cranked up to 11
01:29:53 <korvo> The relevant page on the wiki is a bit short: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Metalanguage
01:30:31 <korvo> Were there specific libraries that you were hoping to integrate?
01:31:04 <MarkFan8901> nono by libraries we meant like, itd be easy to write and use libraries written within the language
01:31:35 <korvo> Ah, like modules or theories or other sorts of extensions. Somebody Else's Code.
01:32:03 <MarkFan8901> we are. VERY conflicted with how to go about anything more specific than that
01:33:03 <MarkFan8901> like we keep getting torn between 'it should have useful features pre-implemented' and 'those should be implemented from within the language so the primitives can build equally fundamental things'
01:33:42 <MarkFan8901> ie if the regex * should be a primitive or if it should be implemented
01:33:46 <b_jonas> MarkFan8901: how would that work? what would determine the semantics of that operator. is the "addition" that you mention a library function that has semantics, and you're just binding the "+" operator to it?
01:34:30 <b_jonas> also this has nothing to do with the RASEL language, right? the name just sounds simlar.
01:36:21 <MarkFan8901> the example is a comically high-level one but the gist is that, internally, a rule `[variable] [whitespace] "+" [whitespace] [variable] -> "(+," [variable] "," [variable] ")" gets made
01:36:44 <korvo> Have you looked at parser-oriented compilers like META II? We have an article on it: https://esolangs.org/wiki/META_II
01:37:21 <MarkFan8901> then that rule would be checked for before anything else when parsing the next expressions
01:37:39 <korvo> Also, have you looked at languages like Haskell (or Agda, Idris, etc. in that family) that allow custom operators? This trick works by defining a big class of random punctuation characters as legal tokens for new operators.
01:38:13 <MarkFan8901> yea but those have pre-defined syntactic rules for how they work
01:38:33 <MarkFan8901> we wanna make it so that you can have *truly* arbitrary syntax
01:39:10 <MarkFan8901> like you could take a lisp implementation with syntax redefining and turn it into a c interpreter from within the language itself
01:40:21 <MarkFan8901> the way that the example we gave above and like how the language would 'know' whats a variable and whatnot would be left to the implementation of the given lisp in ralsei
01:40:45 <MarkFan8901> we just used lisp cuz thats the canonical example in our head
01:41:10 <MarkFan8901> it's just meant to illustrate what we're talking about
01:42:26 <MarkFan8901> the problem is we're torn on nearly everything about how we should design ralsei itself
01:43:31 <korvo> Sure. I struggled with this for Zaddy, too. That's a META II fork. The "restricted" version of Zaddy still looks like META II; I have no idea what the "unrestricted" syntax will look like. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Zaddy
01:44:27 <korvo> That said, S-expressions will work and they are easy to parse. There's no reason to commit to a hard-to-parse meta-syntax. There are languages that are super-rich and hard-to-parse and with builtin parsing tools, like Raku or Janet, but they take a lot of effort to get the details right.
01:46:47 <korvo> MarkFan8901: Oh, another big question: do you want to be able to implement *optimizing* compilers, or is it enough to simply emit valid code? The more optimizations you want, the more you'll need some sort of general-purpose tools.
01:47:41 <MarkFan8901> hold on hold on we think we introduced some confusion with the lisp example
01:47:55 <MarkFan8901> the lisp example would be the *input* for a ralsei program
01:48:26 <korvo> Oh! What kind of syntax were you thinking for ralsei itself? Some sort of BNF?
01:49:34 <MarkFan8901> we're actually thinking of making ralsei in a binary format
01:51:24 <MarkFan8901> like for example we keep thinking about like if the instructions should work like functions
01:51:34 <korvo> And, really, what's the difference between text and binary? So it sounds like very little is decided.
01:52:03 <MarkFan8901> yeah very little is decided specifically because we're so torn between everything we *could* do
01:52:03 <korvo> How do you want to identify and rewrite hunks of input? Do you want structures for input? Types?
01:54:21 <MarkFan8901> we've thought about basing execution around typical string rewriting systems, where the 'recognition' phase would be checking for all chunks of text that follow a certain pattern, then the 'rewriting' phase would operate on the chunks in question
01:55:37 <MarkFan8901> we've thought about having recognition and rewriting split in two, where you could first recognize all pieces of text that follow a certain rule, *then* rewrite them
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01:56:50 <MarkFan8901> we've thought about having execution resemble more traditional machine code, of course still with weird oddities
01:57:53 <MarkFan8901> which is actually kind of where we are right now
01:58:22 <MarkFan8901> and we've also thought about ditching *string* rewriting entirely and basing it in *tree* rewriting instead
01:58:54 <MarkFan8901> like we just cant choose one thing to follow through on
02:00:27 <korvo> Yeah. I ended up implementing a couple whitepapers for Zaddy. I do E-graph rewriting; I found a paper that turns it into a database-query problem, and implemented it as an in-memory hierarchy of database tables.
02:01:03 <korvo> This approach requires types, one way or another, because I need to emit code for each table, and each constructor has to be associated to the correct table.
02:02:23 <MarkFan8901> the way we're imagining ralsei compiles/interprets languages is by 'sifting' down the input until it just *is* the compiled/interpreted result
02:02:50 <korvo> Matching is computationally tricky. Tree rewriting is really easy because we can implement it as katamorphisms (or paramorphisms, etc.) and those are compiled down to recursive procedures. The only difficulty is traversing the tree.
02:02:53 <MarkFan8901> similar to a paper we saw about compiling lisp by gradually turning it into assembly but we cant remember it :sob:
02:03:36 <korvo> But as the tree overlaps with itself more and more, the underlying algorithms get nastier. For DAGs, which are just trees that can share some branches, the best algorithms are variants of NOLTIS. Linear time, more or less, but hard to think about.
02:03:36 <MarkFan8901> this is a big part of why we have an entire pratical/bootstrapping split in our head
02:04:41 <korvo> I'm terrible at mind-reading but I'm guessing Ghuloum 2011, "An incremental approach to compiler construction" http://scheme2006.cs.uchicago.edu/11-ghuloum.pdf
02:04:54 <korvo> Which is a great paper, really insightful, thanks for recommending again.
02:05:46 <MarkFan8901> this might be it? not sure but we'll go back through it later
02:05:58 <MarkFan8901> it might actually be better to step back and talk about another langauge we thought of
02:06:29 <MarkFan8901> yknow the whole central premise of parsing, right?
02:06:36 <MarkFan8901> turning a string of text into an abstract syntax tree
02:07:09 <MarkFan8901> according to a given set of rules that determine how the tree should be built
02:08:21 <korvo> Sure. Or just recognizing that a string fits a grammar.
02:08:27 <MarkFan8901> the rules can use the raw string, as well as elements from the tree, to create new parts of the tree
02:10:02 <MarkFan8901> typically there's some unspoken rules in place when making this tree
02:10:57 <MarkFan8901> ie you cant destroy parts of the tree which already exist, and you generally dont want to make the top of the tree bigger than before
02:11:54 <MarkFan8901> i.e. a rule which makes two leaves of the tree that contain the same part of the program string at the same time
02:12:11 <MarkFan8901> if you *dont* follow these, rules, then uh
02:14:22 <MarkFan8901> theoretically, you could have a language whose *syntax* is turing complete, as in the program which successfully turns a given piece of source code in the language to its' corresponding syntax tree is capable of universal computation
02:15:15 <korvo> Yeah, that happens sometimes. Perl 5 is a classic example.
02:15:16 <MarkFan8901> this is very funny, but one of the main implications of this is that 'rules' for string recognition are actually programs
02:15:36 <MarkFan8901> oh this is different from the other 'you cant parse [blank]' examples we've seen
02:16:04 <MarkFan8901> you "can't parse" perl 5 because you can make the parser run perl 5 code
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02:16:35 <MarkFan8901> we consider that cheating because that's just passing the semantics of perl 5 through the syntax
02:17:50 <MarkFan8901> what we mean is that the mere act of turning a string in that programming language into its' correct syntax tree is turing complete
02:18:13 <MarkFan8901> just to drive the point home we also imagine that said languages' semantics wouldnt be turing complete
02:18:47 <korvo> Hm, is it really possible to disconnect the semantics from the syntax in that direction?
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02:21:14 <MarkFan9801> cuz you could just make the final tree like, some dialect of deadfish or smth
02:22:05 <MarkFan9801> but the funny part is that you coudl still write turing-complete programs in it
02:22:24 <MarkFan9801> by *passing the syntax through the semantics*
02:22:38 <MarkFan9801> in the same way perl 5 or latex can pass the semantics through the syntax
02:23:28 <korvo> I guess? I'm thinking in subsets. Let P* be the set of all of the strings made from the valid letters of the language. If parsing some subset S of P* is Turing-complete ("TC" is fine in this channel, BTW) then we can't decide whether some element of P* is an element of S.
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02:24:55 <korvo> But then what we mean by "semantics" is really important. If we mean the entailments of the native type theory, then given two programs P1 and P2, and the question of whether P1 reduces to P2, we have to establish that both P1 and P2 are elements of S. But that's undecidable twice over.
02:25:01 <MarkFan9801> anyways that implies that, even with less extreme examples, 'rules' for string recognition are programs in their own right
02:25:15 <MarkFan9801> srry we didnt see what you said we were scrolled up
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02:25:44 <korvo> Oh, for sure. I'm reminded of Prolog's DCG formalism, which blends the grammar rules with an ambient backtracking state-management system.
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02:26:05 <korvo> No worries. I'm in no rush and it's nice to talk to folks who have done their research.
02:26:35 <korvo> Also, I *really* want to finish Zaddy this year, so I'm eager for anything that I haven't read yet. I want to solve the ACE-matching problem, and I feel that I'm really close.
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02:27:19 <MarkFan8901> to respond to your statement, what we mean by semantics is simply the meaning assigned to different parts of the syntax tree
02:28:31 <korvo> Sure. Presumably that meaning is homomorphic, which just means that the detailed structure of the tree is preserved by the semantics. If that's the case then we can bring a powerful toolbox from maths, category theory, to our aid. A lot of things become free for rewriting systems in general, whether over strings or trees.
02:29:47 <MarkFan8901> ie if you have an if/then/else statement, where the nodes of the tree are the condition and the two blocks of code that correspond to the then/else clauses
02:30:23 <MarkFan8901> the semantics are just, if its true then statement is equivalent to the then block
02:30:52 <esolangs> [[2-SSI]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190080&oldid=189986 * Marcus 2n2 * (+33)
02:30:54 <MarkFan8901> that's what underpins how we think ralsei would *interpret* programs
02:31:30 <esolangs> [[2-SSI]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190081&oldid=190080 * Marcus 2n2 * (+2)
02:31:37 <MarkFan8901> compiling programs would just be taking the syntax tree and 'translating' it into the desired form
02:32:29 <korvo> Sure. That sort of optimization is closely related to *partial evaluation*, which is an entire thing on its own in compiler theory. I'm more than happy to talk about it, and about JITs too, but often folks find that too complicated.
02:33:47 <korvo> There's also the ideas of normalization by evaluation ("NBE") and compiling-to-closures, which both are ways of compiling e.g. lambda calculus by compiling to a higher-order program that takes lambda terms as input and output.
02:34:24 <korvo> And more generally, multi-stage programming with quoting and unquoting. The complexity tower goes all the way up if you want to talk about metainterp.
02:35:37 <MarkFan8901> uhh we forgot what we were gonna say next give us a sec
02:35:55 <korvo> No worries. I've been around the block a few times. I've also tried out a lot of things. I'm trying to give you a lot of options without telling you what I think you ought to do.
02:36:29 <MarkFan8901> the primary issue is that we dont know how to just lock in and pick one
02:36:48 <MarkFan8901> cuz nothing we've really thought of has fully satisfied us yet
02:37:01 <MarkFan8901> though we think talking more about the intent of what we wanna do is starting to help
02:37:32 <korvo> Y'all might have to do a few experiments. Build a couple little toys that can only barely parse themselves. For metacompilers, it sounds annoying (and kind of is) but you'll want to hand-write the first fixed point.
02:37:52 <MarkFan8901> like the problem is we have too *many* options and we aren't skilled in how to think about them clearly
02:38:35 <korvo> Like, 500 lines of Python hand-written for a 50-line grammar. It's not the end of the world, but it will be a bit of a slog. I think it's fun, but I also used to debug GPU drivers by hard-resetting my machine dozens of times per day and I speedrun randomizers, so I'm a little twisted.
02:39:18 <MarkFan8901> oh actually we do already have quite a few lines of c code (we wanna implement this in c) that implement cut buffers
02:40:34 <korvo> I mean y'all will have two artifacts in your repo: one in Ralsei and one in C. The Ralsei document is your actual compiler and the C code is just a fixed point in the sense that `compiler(c) = c` should be true-ish.
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02:41:03 <korvo> But it's also okay if you start with some jank C that only barely works, generate a nicer pile of C, and then distribute the nicer version.
02:41:05 <MarkFan8901> also we like how you switched to saying yall instead of you
02:41:23 <korvo> esolangs: Is there such a thing as non-jank C?
02:41:28 <MarkFan8901> if ur wondering why we say we its cuz we're a split personality (long story short)
02:41:42 <esolangs> korvo: "Non-jank" C is a bit of a paradox. C itself is a low-level language, meaning it's close to the hardware. This means it's inherently prone to performance issues like jank. However, you can minimize jank in C by: * **Careful code optimization:** Minimize unnecessary operations, use efficient data structures, and leverage compiler optimizations. *...
02:41:42 <esolangs> **Modern C++ features:** C++ offers features like templates and smart pointers that can improve performance and reduce memory management overhead. * **Focusing on the right tools:** Use a good compiler, profiling tools, and a well-structured codebase. Ultimately, "non-jank" C is a matter of minimizing the potential for performance issues.
02:41:47 <korvo> Sure, whichever y'all prefer. This meatbag knows what it's like to have non-standard pronouns and has a few plural friends.
02:42:46 <korvo> Don't worry, it's a joke. Normally I'd ask fungot, a bot that uses a Markov model written in Befunge, but it's apparently offline.
02:43:03 <korvo> The bot can RAG the wiki, sometimes, if we're lucky.
02:43:17 <korvo> esolangs: Why is META II historically significant?
02:43:23 <korvo> Yeah, there's some real sickos around here~
02:43:57 <korvo> I started editing the wiki and now I know brainfuck. CLV.
02:44:06 <esolangs> korvo: META II is historically significant because it was the first metacompiler to be able to regenerate itself in practice. This groundbreaking achievement, achieved in 1962, demonstrated the potential for self-replicating and evolving computational systems. It paved the way for future research in metaprogramming and the development of more...
02:44:06 <esolangs> sophisticated and adaptable programming languages.
02:44:07 <MarkFan8901> here's why we cant really write a fixed point yet
02:44:47 <MarkFan8901> its because we're stuck on how to even deal with rules and rewriting internally
02:45:02 <MarkFan8901> like okay we should probably also talk about some other ideas we've had for ralsei
02:45:23 <MarkFan8901> firstly, the ability to make and write to external memory thats unrelated to the input program
02:45:46 <MarkFan8901> we're specifically thinking said memory is also in the form of cut buffers because that would be hilarious
02:46:18 <MarkFan8901> + its convenient and would be consistent with the other base operations that would be given in ralsei
02:47:16 <MarkFan8901> its another big point of contention to why we have the practical/bootstrap split, because that also creates a REALLY good argument for why the primitives should be more bootstrappy
02:47:40 <korvo> I haven't done text editors in a while. Are cut buffers like ropes or gap buffers?
02:48:04 <korvo> I get the vibe of a language that's like programming (within) a text editor.
02:48:37 <MarkFan8901> that might be a good starting point actually
02:48:47 <korvo> What kinds of things are you imagining might be primitive-only? Or are there things that you think have to be composites of simpler operations for some reason?
02:49:13 <MarkFan8901> primitive-only stuff is like, moving the cursor in a cut (short for cut buffer)
02:49:46 <MarkFan8901> Oh btw cuts store word-length unsigned integers they aren't just limited to characters
02:49:55 <korvo> Earlier today, on a totally unrelated language (Vixen on the wiki), I realized that I need a "boot" and "user" split for calling conventions. The problem is that "user" calls shouldn't be allowed to do powerful "boot" things and "boot" calls shouldn't bother with fancy "user" markup. This is a common-ish sort of split.
02:50:34 <MarkFan8901> might be relevant but we'll see if that concept comes up again naturally
02:50:46 <korvo> How do y'all want to handle string encoding and codepoints? In Zaddy, I gave up early and said that input and output are both UTF-8 sequences of code points.
02:51:13 <MarkFan8901> oh we were thinking that could be dealt with with rewriting
02:51:54 <korvo> I would hope that a rewriting system doesn't need such a split. More likely there could be a "builtin" vs "composite" split; "builtin" is for stuff like numbers, strings, lists, that the user can't or shouldn't build themselves; "composite" is all about how the user can extend the language with their own concepts.
02:52:07 <korvo> So like raw bytes?
02:52:23 <MarkFan8901> yes we do have that 'builtin' and 'composite' split in our head already
02:53:33 <MarkFan8901> we were thinking you could just write a function which rewrites all the multi-length utf-8 characters into their corresponding codepoint
02:53:44 <MarkFan8901> since values in cut buffers arent limited to just bytes
02:53:53 <MarkFan8901> then you could go on with your merry day after that
02:54:45 <MarkFan8901> you could even write like ebcdic (forgot the specific acronym) to ascii functions which could deal with that encoding natively
02:54:58 <korvo> Yeah. Another approach, IIRC the language was called Boomerang?, was to ask the user to define bijections between everything. Parsing UTF-8 meant defining a bijection between bytes and code points; the compiler did the rest.
02:55:45 <korvo> Yep, https://www.engineering.upenn.edu/~harmony/index.html note the page requires JS enabled.
02:56:19 <MarkFan8901> omw to create a context sensitive text encoding system to completely fuck over that entire strategy
02:56:39 <MarkFan8901> every esolanger and text editor designer will be our nemesis
02:57:04 <korvo> But their approach allowed for every bijection to become a *lens*, a fancy category-theoretic tool that makes it easy to do small changes to a big system. I wrote a couple toy video games with lenses; e.g. updating the ball in a game of pong means updating a lens that picks the ball's state out of the entire game's state.
02:57:37 <korvo> u'i English is context-sensitive, for example. Spacy can parse English but not in poly time.
02:58:19 <MarkFan8901> also we were thinking like, dutch level of context sensitivity
02:58:32 <korvo> Oh, forgot which channel this is. {u'i} is Lojban and translates roughly to "LOL"
02:59:22 <korvo> Sure. I think all natlangs are going to end up as context-sensitive at best. Context is just too useful to ignore in a naturally-evolved setting.
02:59:38 <korvo> Yeah, {korvo} means "crow".
02:59:50 <MarkFan8901> we also have some cool stuff with conlangs but thats a whole nother can of worms
03:01:46 <korvo> Spacy's a Python library for language processing. They figured out a pretty good way to parse English with like 500 lines of Python, or at least that's the meme.
03:02:57 <korvo> Y'all were thinking about bytes as an I/O interface.
03:03:26 <MarkFan8901> and we just instinctively typed 'ye' to ur message
03:04:05 <MarkFan8901> we're not sure where you got io interfaces from honestly
03:04:25 <korvo> I/O is just input and output. Like, input file and output file?
03:04:46 <MarkFan8901> by 'input program' we just meant the thing ralsei programs operate on
03:05:28 <MarkFan8901> things that are definitely builtins are like, moving/inserting/deleting in a cut buffer
03:05:48 <MarkFan8901> things that *could* be builtins are thigns like regex * or +
03:05:58 <esolangs> [[YES WAY!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190082 * Miui * (+244) YES WAY!
03:06:15 <MarkFan8901> but those *could* also be implemented in terms of those primitives
03:06:48 <MarkFan8901> which would also give you more control over how their inputs and outputs are managed
03:06:56 <MarkFan8901> actually this is another big problem we have
03:07:26 <MarkFan8901> whenever we try to write example machine code it likes to converge to a functional style
03:07:56 <MarkFan8901> where you can put instructions into the input field of other instructions
03:08:49 <MarkFan8901> but that doesnt really make sense without the concept of some sort of place to store the intermediate outputs of those instructions in
03:09:49 <MarkFan8901> which poses an immediate disadvantage because you wouldn't be able to interact with whatever system that's used to do that
03:10:14 <korvo> Right. To use some terms from ontology, when we're compiling, we're translating elements of some *domain*, and each domain has its own rules for what an element can *be*. Like, we could say "type", but that's just a label. What matters is that there's multiple domains, and we need some sort of transformation between each pair of adjacent domains.
03:10:59 <korvo> Like, between bytes and cut buffers, since those are two different domains, there ought to be either a domain which can contain both bytes (bytestrings?) and cut buffers as elements, or there needs to be a transformation from one to the other.
03:11:25 <MarkFan8901> we're not talking about turning bytes to cut buffers
03:11:44 <korvo> Similarly, if y'all want instructions to be semantically understood as some sort of operator, then there's going to be some sort of domain of operators, and those operators themselves are subject to transformation.
03:12:21 <MarkFan8901> apologies if we sound kinda rude we're not very good at communicating tone in text
03:13:04 <korvo> Nah, it's fine. I am famously obtuse and often bad with words. Thinking about like five things at once.
03:14:20 <korvo> So yeah, I agree, and "place" has its own frustration because we usually want to relate places to each other in some sort of space. Maybe that space has a metric for comparing places, maybe it has a distance (a "norm"), maybe it has some sort of adjacency between places giving a graph of neighbors.
03:14:22 <MarkFan8901> anyways our main concern here isn't theoretical, having some opaque system for argument passing is bad because that just means you have to implement more stuff
03:14:59 <korvo> Like, cursors in buffers are places, or they're located at places, and that might have to be revealed in the ontology of a text editor just so that they can be manipulated.
03:15:21 <MarkFan8901> oh we plan on exposing as much as possible from within the language
03:15:51 <MarkFan8901> another thing about the character of ralsei is that its comically powerful
03:15:55 <korvo> Yeah. A frenemy of mine talks about "the tyranny of call/return", by which they mean that we have that sort of lambda-ish instinct for subroutines and arguments and passing, all the way down to the hardware, even if we don't want it.
03:17:02 <MarkFan8901> we keep having weird thoughts about how else input and output would be dealt with if it wasnt opaque
03:18:36 <MarkFan8901> so on one hand, having stuff like regex be primitive would feel dirty and hamper the power of ralsei
03:19:13 <MarkFan8901> then on the other hand, we have implementing those things as functions from the primitives
03:19:40 <MarkFan8901> and here's where the *other* can of worms opens
03:20:13 <korvo> Yes. I can talk about how I approached this for Zaddy, but I'll let y'all go for a bit. I got some kitchen stuff to do anyway.
03:20:20 <MarkFan8901> at some point we realized if you had a primitive which switched which cut buffer was being executed, you could reimplement function calling and returning from the ground up
03:21:08 <MarkFan8901> you could also theoretically reimplement the concept of libraries and whatnot
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03:22:48 <MarkFan8901> now our HUGE main concern with this is that that could open the floodgates for multiple different mutually incompatible implementations of functions and libraries
03:22:55 <MarkFan8901> and really just about everything as fundamental as that
03:24:04 <MarkFan8901> we think its an issue because we dont expect ralsei to be terse enough that you wont need special libraries to do what you want
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03:24:14 <korvo> That's just how things go. Like, here's an example from category theory. If you allow multiple input parameters for a callable, then you allow two mutually-incompatible libraries where every binary callable is switched the "wrong" way around.
03:25:05 <korvo> Oh, like dialects? Or like descendant languages? APL and Forth are both pretty good examples of that in practice.
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03:26:02 <korvo> Stepping slightly outside that tradition, I love the little language jq, whose standard library is written in itself. It isn't terse enough on its own, but the standard library is short enough that everybody loads it by default.
03:26:28 <korvo> Oh, my roommate got McDonald's. Great. I guess I'm not cooking. Making myself a sandwich instead~
03:27:30 <MarkFan8901> anyways what we mean is that you get enough shit done in your average apl/forth program that you dont *need* libraries to help you out
03:29:40 <MarkFan8901> but like if you need an external program to implement functions and string rewriting youre gonna get a bajillion incompatible implementations of everything in between
03:29:53 <MarkFan8901> thinking about it more this might not actually be as big of an issue as we feel like it is
03:30:46 <MarkFan8901> oh this is probably one of the most fundamental issues we're having
03:31:01 <MarkFan8901> our intentions for what we want this language to be are completely split too
03:33:11 <MarkFan8901> if we had a standard implementation of functions and libraries and whatnot most people would probably use that
03:33:39 <MarkFan8901> but then if other ppl wanted to completely rebuild a different environment from the ground up they could do that too
03:35:08 <MarkFan8901> our thought of something as fundamental as functions having to be implemented in the language itself is basically the thought of making ralsei microcode
03:36:02 <MarkFan8901> for a weird system in which physical memory can be created and destroyed in arbitrary places
03:36:06 <korvo> I made a sandwich and it is good.
03:36:32 <zzo38> Multiple incompatible implementations of stuff is probably inevitable, especially if it is useful for one use but not so good for the other use, then you will need another one. Since, one program (or file format, or character set, etc) will not be suitable for all uses.
03:37:00 <MarkFan8901> we mean like for the REALLY fundamental stuff though
03:37:24 <MarkFan8901> we can accept different ways of reading files or like bnf implementations
03:37:46 <korvo> I hear you. For better or worse, functions are as fundamental as programs and algorithms, so there's no real danger of abandoning them entirely. And going the other direction, language designers love to point at procedures and subroutines and methods and say "function", so whatever~
03:38:36 <MarkFan8901> yea you :sob: didnt call us out at all :sob::sob::sob:
03:39:30 <korvo> Oh, your lambda-abstractions are probably proper! I don't mean that you did anything wrong. Just, like. A function is a mapping from an input set to an output set. A program is a text that controls a machine. An algorithm...is in-between.
03:40:02 <korvo> There's nothing wrong with doing things in terms of functions. (Yet another of my languages, Cammy, is function-only.) It's just not very common.
03:40:11 <zzo38> Some things will need to be a part of the programming language itself, but that depends on the primary working of programming language (which, in the case of esoteric programming, might be more diverse and unusual in some ways compared with more common programming)
03:41:21 <zzo38> Hoever, even when working with instruction sets, not all will use call/return and their working will be differently in different cases, and sometimes you can do unusual stuff with the way it is working. This might also be the case with some esoteric programming languages.
03:42:40 <MarkFan8901> its funny to think we're basically writing a machine code architecture for a string rewriting paradigm
03:43:22 <MarkFan8901> though anyways we're thinking about the specifics of how microcode for working with cuts would work
03:43:46 <MarkFan8901> this whole time we've thought of the cursor of a cut being attached to the cut itself
03:45:07 <MarkFan8901> but would it be better if, from the perspective of the ralsei program, there was a tangible list of values which corresponded to each cuts current position?
03:45:55 <MarkFan8901> oh this reminds us of another annoying problem we have
03:46:25 <korvo> zzo38: WAM, the Warren Abstract Machine underneath some Prologs, is a good example. Erlang's BEAM inherits from it to some degree, as does the De Moura–Bjørner abstract machine. The common thread is pattern-matching, where we want the machine to be able to pause/suspend after each match.
03:47:04 <korvo> However, it's still possible to pattern-match with a more traditional machine. For a good example, check out the LPEG machine which executes PEGs in Lua.
03:47:47 <MarkFan8901> the problem with having any other field of values distinct from the 'main' working memory is that they can be simlated anyways with said memory
03:48:09 <MarkFan8901> just make a new cut and store it in that memory
03:48:22 <MarkFan8901> then use it the way you were using it beforehand
03:48:37 <korvo> MarkFan8901: One approach that might be useful, maybe, is to think like a hardware designer. Actions that are complicated in software are usually complicated in hardware too. A machine is fast because it does a very limited thing, a very small simple thing, maybe a "primitive" thing, very precisely.
03:49:07 <MarkFan8901> we think we need help in thinking this way
03:49:23 <MarkFan8901> specifically in how to 'break down' problems like these
03:53:25 <korvo> There's no shortcut. String rewriting is a totally opaque problem. Y'all get to invent your own structures. I'd recommend developing algebras for those structures and isolating their primitive operations, but I think I'm algebra-brained.
03:54:56 <MarkFan8901> we think the problem is we're averse to structure in the first place
03:55:33 <MarkFan8901> beacuse we feel like it could interfere with something someone else might try to do
03:55:51 <MarkFan8901> spelling it out like that makes it sound ridiculous though
03:59:06 <korvo> I do hear the complaint. I think it's an interesting contrast with the creators of computability theory, who all started with small structures of interest and ended up finding a ceiling of computability in each case.
03:59:42 <korvo> Like, you probably know Church was studying lambda-calculus. Before that, he was working with combinators that showed up repeatedly in mathematical proofs. He was trying to find a way to automate proofs.
04:00:28 <korvo> Turing was studying symbols. Letters in ink on paper. He proved that humans only recognize finitely many different letters, then almost immediately defined Turing machines as the simplest possible way to mathematically talk about humans recognizing letters on paper.
04:01:57 <korvo> Um, to a lesser degree, also Gödel and MRDP were this way. Gödel was studying first-order logic, which is "small" but also ferociously weird. MRDP were studying Diophantine equations, which are literally just polynomials in e.g. natural-number coefficients, been studied for millennia as standard puzzles and toys.
04:02:49 <korvo> Uuum. Matiyasevich, Robinson, David, and Putnam, I think? Did it without looking it up.
04:03:11 <MarkFan8901> we do vaguely remember something about diophantine equations being turing complete
04:03:35 <esolangs> [[YES WAY!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190084&oldid=190082 * Miui * (+92)
04:03:51 <korvo> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Computable#Via_Diophantine_equations might help a little. These are my notes.
04:04:06 <MarkFan8901> also we should probably make an esolang account
04:04:54 <korvo> Basically, for a Diophantine equation, there's a computation that spits out all of the candidate solutions. Maybe they're valid, maybe not, but for e.g. variables x and y in the nats, you can try (0,0), (0,1), (1,0), (2,0), (1,1), ...
04:06:07 <MarkFan8901> yea we can see how that can get unsolvable very quickly
04:06:18 <korvo> Oh, hm. Do we use integer coefficients on the wiki? Looks like it. It turns out to not matter; Diophantines over ints and nats are the same complexity, and we can enumerate x and y in the ints like (0,0), (1,0), (0,1), (-1,0), (0,-1), ...
04:06:58 <MarkFan8901> theyre all natural numbers from the looks of it
04:07:30 <korvo> Robinson, who IME was a wizard, she proved that we can write down Diophantines which encode a bunch of little number-theory gadgets. She'd been reading Gödel, who was basically the first person to imagine it, and got pretty far.
04:08:26 <korvo> Davis gets credit because they did all the same stuff independently, but Robinson's the one who made the hypothesis that Gödel's theorem can be fully encoded.
04:09:24 <korvo> It is! It's funny how the hard part of all of these computability results is getting started. Like, we have to have the vision to see that some mechanism can be iterated, and that it has some sort of text, and that it has some sort of composite operation...
04:10:04 <korvo> Robinson's hypothesis turns out to be true! There are Diophantines whose solutions can't be generated by a computer.
04:10:18 <korvo> I meant it is "cool as hell".
04:10:39 <MarkFan8901> wait we might have misinterpreted 'the hypothesis that godels theorem can be fully encoded'
04:11:00 <korvo> Like, obviously we can iterate all of the *candidate* solutions. But it's undecidable whether that iteration will ever give a *valid* solution.
04:11:44 <korvo> Oh, sorry! I meant that Robinson hoped that Gödelian reasoning applied to Diophantines. It would mean that Diophantines are just as strong as any other way of doing maths, in that they're too tough for computers.
04:12:31 <MarkFan8901> ya we thought you mean robinson hypothesized that godels theorem could be encoded in like a tangible math thing
04:12:45 <korvo> And then Matiyasevich gets credit for pointing out that a particular set fills the gap in a composite argument of Robinson, Davis, & Putnam. He put everybody together, and they published a bunch of papers giving independent perspectives.
04:14:32 <korvo> Putnam worked with Davis on a couple papers. Eventually all three of them, RDP, teamed up for a 1961 paper, according to my notes.
04:16:07 <MarkFan8901> we have another thing thats kinda annoying for us
04:16:17 <korvo> Sometimes it feels like that for coauthors. In this case, I think that they were a critical part of the rigor involved, and also in working towards Robinson's hypothesis. It's hard to see from our perspective, but one of Davis's conjectures was proven in 2008; if Matiyasevich never made their note then we'd say that Davis's conjecture was the important one!
04:17:35 <MarkFan8901> anyways we have this idea on how to avoid the whole passing instructions as arguments to other instructions thing
04:17:42 <korvo> Yeah, Robinson said "there is a JR set" (her initials, see wiki for precise definition) and Davis said "there are primes in arithmetic progression, as many as you like", which is TBH way more elegant.
04:18:26 <korvo> e.g. [3, 7, 11] is arithmetic progression with step of +4 and everybody's prime; Davis guessed there's no size limit on these.
04:18:37 <MarkFan8901> yes thats an incredibly elegant thing to say
04:18:37 <korvo> Sorry, tangent over, I'm listening.
04:18:52 <esolangs> [[YES WAY!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190085&oldid=190084 * Miui * (+17)
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04:21:38 <MarkFan9801> so the idea is to just define all input and output of an instruction as different cells from whatever different cuts
04:21:57 <MarkFan9801> ie you could say `add, main[0], main[1], main[2]`
04:22:21 <MarkFan9801> and that would add the contents of the first and second elements in main mem and store it in the third
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04:22:43 <MarkFan9801> or you could do `add, main[0], main[1], main[0]` for an x86 style of adding
04:22:56 <MarkFan9801> Or you could also do `add, main[0], main[1], some_other_cut[0]`
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04:23:44 <MarkFan8901> the issue we had was we thought of something like `main[main[0]]`
04:24:26 <MarkFan8901> if we wanted to pull that off directly in machine code we would have to have some instruction that would correspond to pointer chasing
04:24:38 <MarkFan8901> ...which is the exact problem we were trying to solve
04:25:18 <MarkFan8901> instead, each argument is actually two different values
04:25:30 <MarkFan8901> one corresponding to the pointer of the cut and one to its position
04:26:36 <esolangs> [[User:Marcus 2n2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190087&oldid=190086 * Marcus 2n2 * (+60)
04:26:49 <MarkFan8901> then if you wanted to get values from other places you could just load them manually, then refer to them with that system
04:27:59 <MarkFan8901> oh yea another entertaining thought we had about compiling/interpreting
04:28:52 <MarkFan8901> when youre compiling, youre simply rewriting one representation of computation into another representation
04:28:54 <esolangs> [[52]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190088&oldid=162670 * Marcus 2n2 * (+23)
04:29:06 <MarkFan8901> when youre interpreting, youre rewriting the representation of computation directly into the computation itself
04:30:00 <korvo> For that first thought: are y'all familiar with the idea of "first-class" and "second-class" syntax? I'm not super-fond of the terminology but it seems to be part of what's going on here.
04:30:54 <korvo> On that second thought, yes, compilers can be very simple in terms of computational complexity. There's actually a concept of "self-interpreter barrier", that certain weak systems can't interpret themselves, although it's a little outdated now.
04:31:23 <korvo> Okay, yeah. So, the quick idea is that a second-class value can't show up via some reference. It has to be syntactically spelled out every time.
04:32:09 <korvo> First-class values, like integer and string literals, can just be themselves or they can be assigned to variables which show up on their behalf.
04:32:32 <MarkFan8901> are integers and strings themselves second class
04:33:30 <korvo> Yeah, they would be.
04:33:52 <korvo> The idea is that the first-class values are the things we're manipulating with the machine. They're low-level. They're the real computational stuff.
04:34:59 <korvo> Second-class values are just structural annotations for humans who write programs. The machine doesn't really know what they are. (Or, in some perverse languages, the machine knows full well what they are and enjoys watching you type a lot of words; this is called a *high-ceremony* language and it's okay to (dis)like ceremony.)
04:36:02 <korvo> I think C macros are second class? People argue a lot about second-class parts of C. Folks used to say that arrays are second-class, because you can't just write an array literal in C without worrying about its storage or lifetime.
04:36:35 <MarkFan8901> doesnt that go for literally everything else that takes up memory in c
04:36:49 <korvo> So, like, don't just take anybody's word on this. It's a design concept, it's from the 1960s, people were really experimental back then.
04:37:23 <MarkFan8901> we imagine second class just means you cant work with it directly
04:37:40 <korvo> Oh! It's not about taking up memory but about what the language will let you express. Like, C won't let you do first-class manipulation of the *definitions* of structs, although you can do first-class byte inspection of structs.
04:37:55 <esolangs> [[Aheui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190089&oldid=187155 * Miui * (-16) /* Collatz function */ remove "found by Gemini" (left in summary of edit for posterity)
04:39:06 <MarkFan8901> unrelated we looked at the wiki page for that "YES WAY!" esolang that kept getting edited during this convo
04:39:18 <MarkFan8901> > YES WAY! is a esolang where you play blue sphere to execute 3 instruction brainfuck and it writes deadfish to a text field which can queue inputs back to blue sphere!
04:39:19 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:23: error: parse error on input `where'
04:39:52 <MarkFan8901> Within Blue Sphere itself YES WAY! is able to go to the menu.
04:39:56 <korvo> Yeah, Miui's not really understanding the point of the wiki. I think most of their work is artlangs. Which is allowed, to be clear. The chatbot-generated pages are not okay but I don't think that they've read the rules.
04:40:19 <MarkFan8901> was that last sentence made by a markov chain or msth
04:41:24 <MarkFan8901> okay anyways why did you think first class and second class syntax was important here
04:43:27 <korvo> In a fragment like `main[main[0]]`, is it possible to reference `main[0]` first-class, or must it be second-class? Like, does the machine require an offset here? Some assembly languages do have that sort of thing, like the infamous x86 LEA instructions.
04:44:13 <korvo> Certainly `0` and `1` are first-class, guessing from the other fragments. Are those things that the machine can manipulate too, or are they constants for y'all the programmers?
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04:44:47 <MarkFan8901> the idea was that the value of `main[0]` would be passed to the outer `main[...]`
04:44:51 <korvo> I know my tone's not the best; again, I'm trying to open up options for exploration, not to demand answers right now.
04:45:15 <MarkFan8901> ur tone is completely natural to us if ur worried
04:46:12 <MarkFan8901> which wouldnt work cuz it leads us to the same problem we were trying to solve
04:46:21 <MarkFan8901> so we think it should be second class instead
04:50:46 <MarkFan8901> yea we think thats about all the talk in us for now
04:50:55 <MarkFan8901> thank you for helping us so much with this
04:51:05 <korvo> Hold up! Let me say one thing then.
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04:51:21 <korvo> The fucking insight. The fucking point. Fuck.
04:52:02 <korvo> The point was that anything first-class has to be reified in the metainterpreter's theories. Every concept belongs to some theory somewhere, and the metainterp's gotta have a corresponding type or struct or something.
04:52:37 <korvo> I don't know why the fuck I bother. Clearly not helping anybody.
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09:31:16 <esolangs> [[Template:QACL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190143 * None1 * (+81) Created page with "<code>[[Constant_language#Quine avoidance|QuineAvoiding]]({{{1}}},{{{2}}})</code>"
09:33:59 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190144&oldid=190134 * None1 * (-1) /* Dialects created in 2025 */ Fix a number of typos
09:51:58 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190145&oldid=190132 * Miui * (+31) /* Examples */ actual right-alignment
09:53:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Kak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190146&oldid=189783 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+372) /* This is Turing complete! */
09:55:09 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190147&oldid=190145 * Miui * (+1) /* Examples */ to fix thing with cat
09:56:40 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190148&oldid=189719 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-382) /* Some notable languages without known computational class */ Kak is proven to be TC and I actually had written a proof before for a language similar to Mountain/Old before
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10:27:13 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190149&oldid=190147 * Miui * (+49) /* Examples */ make it harder to read for humans
10:34:24 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190150&oldid=190149 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-49) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/190149|190149]] by [[Special:Contributions/Miui|Miui]] ([[User talk:Miui|talk]]) revert vandalism
10:40:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190151 * Miui * (+218) Created page with "wasnt vandalism :~( people keep saying that and it makes it harder to learn if i did something wrong and have communcation. and ais doesnt like me~~~~"
10:43:35 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190152&oldid=190150 * Cleverxia * (-32) Miui, you vandal
10:45:39 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190153&oldid=190151 * Cleverxia * (-218) If you believe this isn't a vandal go&talk to ais523
10:56:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:FlamePL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190154 * Cleverxia * (+327) yet again
11:05:21 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190155&oldid=187410 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-4) fix example
11:06:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190156&oldid=190153 * Miui * (+117)
11:09:00 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190157&oldid=190156 * Cleverxia * (+158)
11:10:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190158&oldid=190157 * Miui * (+316)
11:18:10 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190159&oldid=190152 * Miui * (+15) /* Rules */ wasnt new feature but was a more strict interpretation of a set feature.
11:20:17 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190160&oldid=190159 * Miui * (+48) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */ ban myself
11:20:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190161&oldid=190158 * Cleverxia * (+163)
11:21:43 <esolangs> [[42 (klk bb)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190162 * Klk bb * (+724) Created page with "'''42''' ''(klk bb)'' is an [[esoteric programming language|esolang]] with only two possible commands. Its main purpose is to output either <code>42</code> or <code>0</code>. The language is intentionally very simple. The <code>.</code> command outputs the Answer to
11:22:28 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190163&oldid=190075 * Klk bb * (+20)
11:22:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190164&oldid=190161 * None1 * (+476) This is clearly vandalism
11:23:25 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190165&oldid=190160 * None1 * (-63) This is clearly vandalism
11:24:09 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190166&oldid=190165 * None1 * (+48) /* Rules */
11:24:41 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190167&oldid=190166 * None1 * (-1) /* Rules */
11:25:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190168&oldid=190164 * Miui * (+363)
11:26:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190169&oldid=190168 * None1 * (+457)
11:33:15 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190170&oldid=190167 * PrySigneToFry * (+301)
11:34:10 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190171&oldid=190170 * Cleverxia * (+363)
11:37:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190172&oldid=190169 * Cleverxia * (+320)
11:37:54 <esolangs> [[Talk:FlamePL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190173&oldid=190154 * Ractangle * (+212)
11:42:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190174&oldid=190173 * PrySigneToFry * (+1220)
11:42:58 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190175&oldid=190171 * Cleverxia * (+156) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */ only physcopaths can use print(). --[[ErrorFull]]
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11:56:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190179&oldid=190178 * PrySigneToFry * (+180)
12:06:01 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190180&oldid=190177 * None1 * (+3) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */ fix typo
12:08:39 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190181&oldid=190172 * None1 * (+564) /* Restriction seem to contradict with the examples */ new section
12:12:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190182&oldid=190181 * None1 * (-5)
12:13:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190183&oldid=190182 * None1 * (+1) /* Restriction seem to contradict the examples */
12:13:39 <esolangs> [[Talk:FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190184&oldid=190179 * Cleverxia * (+1138)
12:14:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190185&oldid=190183 * Cleverxia * (+96) /* Restriction seems to contradict the examples */
12:15:24 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190186&oldid=190180 * Cleverxia * (+13) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */
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12:17:58 <esolangs> [[Mira]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190187 * Klk bb * (+546) Created page with "{{wip}} [[Mira]] is a small [[esoteric programming language]] and [[brainfuck]] derivative that removes half of Brainfuck's commands, replaces the remaining ones, and adds a couple of its own instructions. {| !Command!!description |- |||bf + then output ascii |- |||bf < |- |
12:18:30 <esolangs> [[Mira]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190188&oldid=190187 * Klk bb * (-4)
12:19:44 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190189&oldid=190163 * Klk bb * (+10)
12:23:34 <esolangs> [[ABCDirection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190190&oldid=189072 * Bangyen * (-99) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/189072|189072]] by [[Special:Contributions/Bangyen|Bangyen]] ([[User talk:Bangyen|talk]])
12:33:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:UCL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190191 * Corbin * (+350) Fix a misconception. What was the point of this page?
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12:44:58 <esolangs> [[ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190192&oldid=188914 * None1 * (+9624) Add quine
12:45:13 <esolangs> [[ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190193&oldid=190192 * None1 * (+18) /* Quine */
12:46:52 <esolangs> [[UCL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190194&oldid=190139 * None1 * (+18)
12:47:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:UCL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190195&oldid=190191 * None1 * (+283)
12:59:00 <korvo> ^^ Anybody computed Chaitin's constant for brainfuck? I think I'm getting nerd-sniped.
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13:02:50 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190196&oldid=190186 * None1 * (+1) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */ not a typo
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13:04:42 <esolangs> [[Deadfish&]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190197 * Klk bb * (+527) Created page with "[[deadfish&]] is a combination of [[&]] and [[deadfish]]. That is, it is the same [[deadfish]], but it will not run if it exists. ==python interpreter== <pre> a = 0 try: a raise SyntaxError("This esolang exists") except NameError: a = 0 for c in input(
13:04:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:UCL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190198&oldid=190195 * Blashyrkh * (+360) There's no single value for brainfuck. Brainfuck implementations are different
13:05:06 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190199&oldid=190189 * Klk bb * (+15)
13:06:59 <esolangs> [[?index.php]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190200&oldid=189824 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+3695)
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13:07:46 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190201&oldid=189680 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+62)
13:17:52 <esolangs> [[?index.php]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190202&oldid=190200 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-71) /* Overview */ remove duplicate entry
13:29:21 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190203&oldid=190196 * Cleverxia * (+41) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */ This esolang is nearly full
13:31:44 <esolangs> [[?index.php]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190204&oldid=190202 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-1) fix typo
13:34:24 <esolangs> [[Talk:FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190205&oldid=190184 * PrySigneToFry * (+6408)
13:39:47 <esolangs> [[Talk:FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190206&oldid=190205 * PrySigneToFry * (+453)
13:41:32 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190207&oldid=189107 * PrySigneToFry * (-51)
13:41:57 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190208&oldid=190203 * None1 * (+551) Not yet
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13:42:39 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190209&oldid=190208 * None1 * (+0) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */
13:43:20 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190210&oldid=190209 * None1 * (-1) /* Rules */
13:44:08 <esolangs> [[UCL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190211&oldid=190194 * None1 * (-1)
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13:48:48 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190212&oldid=190210 * None1 * (+2) /* Cat */
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13:59:09 <esolangs> [[?index.php]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190213&oldid=190204 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+7) who ate the string
14:08:01 <esolangs> [[Talk:FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190214&oldid=190206 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+650) /* You've said enough, right? Fine, the counterattack starts now. */ ok
14:22:07 <esolangs> [[?index.php]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190215&oldid=190213 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+0) WHYYYYYY
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15:54:07 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190216&oldid=189016 * Hotcrystal0 * (-464) cleanup of unnecessary content
15:54:41 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190217&oldid=190216 * Hotcrystal0 * (+9)
15:57:49 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/13]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190218&oldid=189733 * Hotcrystal0 * (-19)
16:04:29 <esolangs> [[CFUCK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190219&oldid=135647 * Hotcrystal0 * (+33)
16:04:42 <esolangs> [[CFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190220&oldid=118485 * Hotcrystal0 * (+33)
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16:09:36 <esolangs> [[RuleLoader]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190221&oldid=182768 * Hotcrystal0 * (+8) Fix link
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16:18:46 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190222&oldid=190217 * PkmnQ * (+63) /* Number esolangs */ there's probably more but for now I only remember the two 99s
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16:26:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:2DChanger]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190223&oldid=184776 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+5) /* TC proof sketch */
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17:03:08 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190224&oldid=190222 * Blashyrkh * (+28) /* Number esolangs */ 67s
17:14:42 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190225&oldid=190224 * Hotcrystal0 * (+69)
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17:30:32 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190226&oldid=190225 * PkmnQ * (+190) /* Number esolangs */ how could I forget the yearlangs (and 256)
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17:58:12 <esolangs> [[?index.php]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190227&oldid=190215 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+30) i just realized that this is golfable
18:11:25 <esolangs> [[Esolang2026 topicality proposal]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190228 * Assembly * (+363) Created page with "'''Esolang2026 topicality proposal''' is a joke esolang made by [[User:Assembly]]. == Commands == === Funny commands === {{cd|explode(x)}} {{cd|variable_evilKumquat(x).exists?}} <s>{{cd|six_seven(x)}}</s> its 2026. Moved to the section below ==
18:11:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang2026 topicality proposal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190229&oldid=190228 * Assembly * (+4)
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18:19:32 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190230&oldid=189823 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+4)
18:19:47 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190231&oldid=190230 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+1)
18:20:01 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190232&oldid=190231 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+2)
18:20:30 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190233&oldid=190232 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-22)
18:26:18 <esolangs> [[Esolang2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190234&oldid=190229 * Aadenboy * (+74) distinguish
18:26:25 <esolangs> [[Esolang2026 topicality proposal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190235&oldid=190234 * Aadenboy * (-4)
18:27:54 <esolangs> [[Talk:NO WAY? NO WAY!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190236&oldid=189224 * Miui * (+177)
18:29:44 <esolangs> [[Immutable Brainfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190237 * Rainwave * (+4085) New language!
18:30:02 <esolangs> [[Esolang2026 topicality proposal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190238&oldid=190235 * Aadenboy * (+4) really?
18:34:06 <esolangs> [[User:Rainwave]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190239&oldid=189570 * Rainwave * (+30) Added Immutable Brainfuck
18:35:36 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190240&oldid=190097 * Rainwave * (+26) Added Immutable Brainfuck
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18:43:19 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190241&oldid=190199 * Klk bb * (+1261)
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18:52:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Klk bb * uploaded "[[File:Arsenic.svg.webp]]"
18:55:51 <esolangs> [[Zip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190243&oldid=190042 * KamilMalicki * (-29)
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19:42:22 <esolangs> [[File talk:Arsenic.svg.webp]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190244 * Aadenboy * (+353) Created page with "seems to be taken from [[commons:File:Arsenic.svg]], which isn't public domain ~~~~"
19:53:07 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190245&oldid=190241 * Klk bb * (-1252)
19:54:04 <esolangs> [[Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190246&oldid=190237 * Rainwave * (+27) Just one more category
20:32:03 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190247 * Klk bb * (+752) Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title= <nowiki>||</nowiki>}} ''(without nowiki tags that you see in the source code)'' <div style="float: right; margin: 0 0 10px 15px;"> __TOC__ </div> '''||''' is a joke programming language developed by [[User:Klk bb]] in 2026. It self-interprets any code other t
20:32:49 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190248&oldid=190245 * Klk bb * (+17)
20:42:48 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190249&oldid=190248 * Klk bb * (+0)
20:43:24 <esolangs> [[User talk:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190250&oldid=189915 * Assembly * (+165) /* August 2026 */ new section
20:47:50 <esolangs> [[Assembly]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190251&oldid=136097 * Assembly * (+14)
20:48:47 <esolangs> [[Assembly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190252&oldid=190251 * Assembly * (+37)
20:49:03 <esolangs> [[Assembly]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190253&oldid=190252 * Assembly * (+4)
20:49:19 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190254&oldid=190247 * Aadenboy * (-108)
20:49:28 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190255&oldid=190254 * Aadenboy * (+18) /* Commands */
20:59:30 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190256 * Assembly * (+332) Created page with "''' (key)''' is an esolang created by [[User:Assembly]]. == Commands == None of the CJK text are real words. === Structuring the code === :''In short: = open, = close'' To structure the code, we need opening and closing parentheses to format C-shapes. ==== Example ==== <pre>
21:00:01 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190257&oldid=190256 * Assembly * (+58)
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21:16:17 <esolangs> [[QACL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190260 * Assembly * (+47) Redirected page to [[Constant language#Quine avoidance]]
21:16:27 <esolangs> [[P]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190261&oldid=190259 * Aadenboy * (+24) restore cat
21:19:37 <esolangs> [[P]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190262&oldid=190261 * Miui * (+14) /* External resources */ fix link to interpreter
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22:58:37 <esolangs> [[Flowchart]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190267&oldid=175580 * Bangyen * (+101)
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23:30:59 <esolangs> [[M@trix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190269&oldid=190268 * Mysonandadthatnosense * (-425) Removed the matrix obfuscator run tutorial, as its too long to be ran on any python.
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00:50:16 <esolangs> [[FlamePL/Python Interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190271&oldid=190091 * PrySigneToFry * (-24) Update interpreter for higher precision in '''decimal'''
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01:17:07 <MarkFan8901> korvo: we read back through the logs for this channel to see what you had to say after
01:17:30 <korvo> MarkFan8901: I'm sorry! I shouldn't talk about others that way.
01:19:10 <korvo> Don't worry about it.
01:20:05 <MarkFan8901> we do think what you said is a very useful thing we should keep in mind while we make things for ralsei
01:20:29 <MarkFan8901> but the real insight we got came from the broader picture we got from discussing with you for so long
01:20:45 <MarkFan8901> we dont think any short answer could have replaced what we learned from you
01:21:59 <korvo> I'm glad it was useful, but I'm still not excusing myself. People expect better from me.
01:23:32 <MarkFan8901> we get thats frustrating when you had something important to say that youd been leading up to the whole time
01:23:52 <MarkFan8901> truth be told we are kind of noobs at esolanging
01:24:22 <MarkFan8901> we've only really watched esolangs and generally other math concepts from afar and this has really been our first time getting our hands dirty
01:25:08 <MarkFan8901> something we didnt say during the whole conversation was that we've actually had the core concept of ralsei for like two years
01:25:13 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190272&oldid=190270 * PrySigneToFry * (+187)
01:25:27 <MarkFan8901> and all the work we've done in those two years has kind of just been us flailing around with ideas
01:26:03 <MarkFan8901> we got some good progress done more recently, as in we were able to refine our vision of exactly *what* we wanted to be clearer
01:26:41 <esolangs> [[Integer Stack Machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190273&oldid=189838 * Doors * (+212) Modification of variants, some other minor changes, added note
01:27:08 <MarkFan8901> but we knew we were still missing something
01:27:35 <MarkFan8901> and we were kind of sick of just reiterating over and over again without any tangible reward
01:28:27 <MarkFan8901> being able to talk with you for hours about all the ideas we had accumulated in our head over that whole time frame felt incredibly reassuring
01:29:26 <MarkFan8901> not just cuz youve also been working on another metalanguage, but because you cleary have lots of wisdom with how to approach esolang design
01:30:27 <MarkFan8901> youve already had a massive impact on how we're thinking about ralsei now
01:30:38 <MarkFan8901> and we dont think you realize just how smart you are
01:30:52 <korvo> Meh. I'm just some arrogant piece of shit. But I'm glad that you've got some new ideas to explore.
01:31:24 <MarkFan8901> we dont devalue others cuz theyre too overconfident
01:32:17 <MarkFan8901> if anything else, it's okay, we've gotten the core insight you wanted to share
01:32:39 <MarkFan8901> model your language around what its supposed to manipulate and nothing else
01:32:51 <korvo> I'd rather not be manipulative at all.
01:33:11 <korvo> Anyway, sorry again. Peace.
01:33:29 <MarkFan8901> we will follow your advice in spite of your self hatred
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01:37:09 <esolangs> [[Flowchart]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190274&oldid=190267 * Aadenboy * (+611) tightening the definitions here; sucks that the implementation might be AI generated
01:38:15 <aadenboy> thinking about it, an implementation doesn't seem terribly difficult to make
01:39:54 <esolangs> [[Flowchart]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190275&oldid=190274 * Aadenboy * (+41)
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03:27:03 <aadenboy> it's rather funny that the implementer (ambiguous) seemed to think that Flowchart doesn't actually have byte output solely based on the truth machine alone
03:27:26 <aadenboy> and left out making a text generator entirely
03:27:47 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190277 * Miui * (+365) collecting materials for this draft
03:29:01 <esolangs> [[Flowchart]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190278&oldid=190275 * Aadenboy * (+90)
03:29:14 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190279&oldid=190277 * Miui * (+7) /* Definitions */ add pronunciation
03:34:38 <esolangs> [[Flowchart]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190280&oldid=190278 * Aadenboy * (-17) wikipedia
03:34:46 <esolangs> [[Flowchart]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190281&oldid=190280 * Aadenboy * (+0)
03:58:51 <b_jonas> I still can't figure out whether in English to call the place where you buy things "shop" or "store", or long high-quality videos "film" or "movie". For some words the decision is easy, like if I watch the film or movie I make pop-maize, because "corn" is strictly more ambiguous than "maize", but "shop" and "store" both have other common meanings too.
04:07:26 <zzo38> It might also depend on the context
04:32:32 <aadenboy> that can be a regional thing too I think
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06:17:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190290&oldid=190185 * PrySigneToFry * (+348) /* N.A.U.G.H.T */ new section
06:26:10 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190291&oldid=190258 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+9) seems incomplete
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06:54:52 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190295&oldid=190144 * None1 * (+17) /* Type 106 */
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07:07:01 <esolangs> [[?index.php]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190298&oldid=190297 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+3) /* Truth machine */ fix
07:07:24 <esolangs> [[?index.php]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190299&oldid=190298 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-2) /* Truth machine */ whar
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07:41:59 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190302&oldid=190301 * None1 * (-1) /* Cat */
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07:43:32 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190304&oldid=190303 * None1 * (+156) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */
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07:46:02 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190306&oldid=190305 * None1 * (+81) /* Rules */
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08:04:48 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190308&oldid=190279 * Miui * (+341) further sketching+drafting, brainstorming, note collection.
08:05:16 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190309&oldid=190308 * Miui * (-1) /* Definitions */ fixing color coded highlights
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08:09:38 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190310&oldid=190309 * Miui * (+75) /* Definitions */ include textbook
08:24:47 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190311&oldid=190310 * Miui * (+58) /* Definitions */ update reference format
08:26:47 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190312&oldid=190311 * Miui * (+1) /* Definitions */ format "textbook:Harper" -> "textbook: Harper"
08:27:57 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190313&oldid=190312 * Miui * (-79) add WIP template
08:28:55 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190314&oldid=190313 * Miui * (+1) /* Definitions */ "HandbookSixth" -> "Handbook Sixth"
08:29:29 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190315&oldid=190314 * Miui * (-1) /* Definitions */ "HandbookSixth" -> "Handbook Sixth"
08:30:38 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190316&oldid=190315 * Miui * (+0) /* Definitions */ Change color of word "HACKING" from perwinkle to blue
08:41:04 <esolangs> [[Self-modifying Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190317&oldid=113851 * None1 * (+106) /* See also */
08:43:23 <esolangs> [[List of quines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190318&oldid=189476 * None1 * (+152) /* QWOP */ Add smbf and smbf#
08:44:28 <esolangs> [[Self-modifying Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190319&oldid=190317 * None1 * (+109) /* External resources */
08:45:14 <esolangs> [[List of quines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190320&oldid=190318 * None1 * (+3256) /* Real Quines */
08:45:36 <esolangs> [[List of quines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190321&oldid=190320 * None1 * (+10) /* ORK */
08:46:03 <esolangs> [[List of quines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190322&oldid=190321 * None1 * (+20) /* ORK */
08:47:56 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190323&oldid=190316 * Miui * (+12) include page number for definition of TTP
08:49:14 <esolangs> [[ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190324&oldid=190193 * None1 * (-58) /* Quine */
08:49:27 <esolangs> [[List of quines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190325&oldid=190322 * None1 * (-58) /* ORK */
08:50:34 <esolangs> [[ORK]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190326&oldid=190324 * None1 * (-116) /* Quine */
08:51:20 <esolangs> [[List of quines]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190327&oldid=190325 * None1 * (+4)
08:55:01 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190328&oldid=190323 * Miui * (+264) add definition of threat intelligence + references section
08:57:27 <esolangs> [[Error quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190329&oldid=176753 * None1 * (+0) /* How to write an error quine */
08:58:03 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190330&oldid=190328 * Miui * (+287) add definition for "incident response" + reference
08:58:48 <esolangs> [[Talk:SyntaxError: invalid syntax]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190331&oldid=133209 * None1 * (+343) /* An abbreviation for this Esolang */
08:59:19 <esolangs> [[NohtyP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190332&oldid=117182 * None1 * (-9)
08:59:59 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190333&oldid=190330 * Miui * (-2) /* References */ fix formatting
09:02:03 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190334&oldid=190333 * Miui * (+224) add definition of forensics + reference
09:03:14 <esolangs> [[It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning. It's burning.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190335&oldid=189535 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-21) /* Overview */
09:06:19 <esolangs> [[NohtyP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190336&oldid=190332 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+1) correct wording
09:06:47 <esolangs> [[SyntaxError: invalid syntax]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190337&oldid=125485 * None1 * (+2119)
09:07:41 <esolangs> [[SyntaxError: not a chance]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190338 * None1 * (+67) Redirected page to [[SyntaxError: invalid syntax#SyntaxError: not a chance]]
09:09:38 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190339&oldid=190334 * Miui * (+325)
09:09:40 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190340&oldid=190140 * None1 * (+48) /* Error simulators */
09:09:53 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190341&oldid=190340 * None1 * (+0) /* Error simulators */
09:10:11 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190342&oldid=190141 * None1 * (+75) /* My Esolangs */
09:10:22 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190343&oldid=190339 * Miui * (-14) remove accidental mistake/error
09:10:30 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190344&oldid=190342 * None1 * (-1) /* My Esolangs */
09:12:18 <esolangs> [[SyntaxError: invalid syntax]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190345&oldid=190337 * None1 * (+6) /* SyntaxError: not a chance */
09:14:09 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190346&oldid=190343 * Miui * (+291) add definition of threat hunting + reference
09:15:37 <esolangs> [[Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190347&oldid=190246 * Rainwave * (+1561) Added Turing completeness proof
09:16:20 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190348&oldid=190346 * Miui * (+64) /* Theorem */ update theorem.
09:18:29 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190349&oldid=190348 * Miui * (+77) add reference for theorem
09:18:39 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190350&oldid=190349 * Miui * (+1) /* Theorem */ format
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09:30:46 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190353&oldid=190351 * Miui * (+126) /* Definitions */ add color code and codename for the POC
09:36:01 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190354&oldid=190353 * Miui * (+61) /* Definitions */ color code blue force
09:39:11 <esolangs> [[Immutable Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190355&oldid=190347 * Rainwave * (+47) Clarified EOF behavior
09:41:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190356&oldid=190352 * Rainwave * (+178)
09:42:21 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190357&oldid=190354 * Miui * (+119) update page description
09:43:34 <esolangs> [[Immutable Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190358&oldid=190355 * Rainwave * (-16) nevermind
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09:51:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190360&oldid=190359 * Blashyrkh * (+197) How to distinguish EOF and U+0000 and still keep it reversible
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10:00:48 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190366&oldid=190360 * Rainwave * (+223)
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10:36:16 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190374&oldid=190373 * Miui * (+0) /* Computational Model */ sketching rules...
10:38:38 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190375&oldid=190374 * Miui * (+67) color coding for readability
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12:02:16 <ais523> b_jonas: "shop" versus "store" is really difficult to explain (there is a fuzzy boundary and some things fall into both categories)
12:02:52 <ais523> it reminds me of trying to explain the meaning of the British English word "lorry" to an American (it has a fuzzy boundary with "truck", which is used as a general term in American English for anything that's either a lorry or a truck in British English)
12:04:31 <ais523> thinking about it, "shop" versus "store" seems highly correlated with the width of the aisle between the shelves (the aisles are narrower in shops) but I don't think that's the actual difference, I think it's just correlated with the thing that makes the actual difference
12:05:33 <ais523> or, hmm, a shop I went to recently didn't really have aisles at all, all the products were on shelves on the wall but there weren't interior shelves
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12:06:22 <ais523> maybe it's related to the physical size of the products? shops tend to sell physically small things (this would make sense as a correlation because the smaller the products, the narrower the isles can be)
12:08:09 <ais523> Wiktionary says "store" is American English – that could explain why it hasn't expanded to all the meanings of "shop" in British English
12:11:06 <ais523> land is cheaper in the USA than the UK, so buildings tend to be larger there – perhaps "store" in the UK is reflecting a meaning along the lines of "place that you buy things that would not look out of place in the USA" which is why it's distinct from "shop"
12:11:55 <ais523> …this helps explain "truck" versus "lorry" too, I think, many things can be either, but the things that are unambiguously "truck" (e.g. pickup trucks) are more common in the USA than the UK, so we may have borrowed their naming
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12:17:42 <ais523> meanwhile I've never heard "popmaize" (Wiktionary says it exists but is rare), "popcorn" is a much more common name for it on both sides of the Atlantic
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13:04:55 <b_jonas> ais523: oh, so you use both "shop" and "store" for places to buy but distinguish between them. I didn't know that was a thing, I thought it was just a difference between speakers (roughly "store" for americans and "shop" for british, but that's obviously a simplification).
13:05:07 <b_jonas> I used "popmaize" ironically, I think it's called "popcorn" everywhere
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13:05:42 <b_jonas> but if I want to use "maize" for other uses of this particular cereal then I might as well say "popmaize", it's understandable enough
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13:06:35 <ais523> a large building which is divided into a number of floors, each selling a different type of product, typically with lots of open space and maybe a restaurant or two, is known as a "department store" even in the UK
13:06:44 <ais523> although they aren't as common as they used to be
13:07:07 <b_jonas> the packaging actually says "popcorn" on it
13:07:51 <ais523> "popmaize" is a little confusing because most people aren't sure whether the sort of corn that is used to make popcorn actually is maize, or whether it's a different plant
13:08:32 <b_jonas> it's specific breeds of maize, so I'm not sure if that's a meaningful distinction.
13:08:52 <ais523> indeed, but I had to look it up
13:08:52 <b_jonas> cereal has hundreds of specialized types within the general categories of maize, wheat, rice
13:09:44 <b_jonas> (rye, oat, barley, millet, sorghum)
13:11:12 <ais523> given that I looked up maize already, it seems that there are six types of maize (each of which would consist of numerous strains), but different strains within a single type are more interchangeable than different types are
13:11:28 <ais523> from memory, I think there are three non-interchangeable types of rice
13:14:13 <b_jonas> so the six type correspond to easy to understand categories of use, like one to pop, one to cook without grinding, one to grind to flour and bake dough, one to make alcoholic drinks, one to make fuel?
13:21:03 <ais523> sweetcorn is fairly distinct in terms of uses, at least
13:22:20 <ais523> it is used as a vegetable rather than a cereal (and is technically a fruit)
13:23:57 <ais523> and there's one type which is mostly endosperm and mostly useful for grinding into flour, which is also a distinct use
13:24:01 <ais523> the others are more complicated, though
13:24:32 <b_jonas> what does "used as a vegetable rather than a cereal" mean? less protein? don't grind it down to flour?
13:26:17 <ais523> I eat quite a bit of sweetcorn, normally as a salad ingredient
13:27:02 <ais523> although it's also common to use it as a substitute for peas, or to mix it with them
13:28:06 <ais523> I think the main distinction is that it contains much more sugar and less starch than other types of corn
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13:40:17 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190390&oldid=190306 * PrySigneToFry * (+0) Little fix
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13:56:36 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190396&oldid=190008 * AlessandroMarp * (+182)
13:57:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:Integer Stack Machine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190397 * PkmnQ * (+1999) /* Decidability of Simple */ new section
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14:39:04 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190403&oldid=190395 * Miui * (-5) /* Theorem */ will be -> is
14:40:22 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190404&oldid=190403 * Miui * (-10) /* Definitions */ Thought Police definition
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14:41:33 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190406&oldid=190405 * Miui * (+0) /* Computational Model */
14:46:55 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190407&oldid=190406 * Miui * (+101) define POC (0x)
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15:03:54 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190416&oldid=190415 * Miui * (+61) /* Definitions */ define response to detection of an attack
15:05:20 <esolangs> [[?index.php]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190417&oldid=190299 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+44) /* Overview */ i feel like i need to state the obvious
15:11:11 <korvo> "popped maize" is a thing in the USA, as are other various "popped" or "puffed" cereals. I used to eat "puffs" for breakfast as a kid; they were made from corn and sugar, and the sugar is also made from corn.
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15:16:06 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190420&oldid=190419 * Miui * (-3) /* Definitions */ fix typo
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15:17:40 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190422&oldid=190421 * Miui * (+1) /* Core Rules */ describe Runner win condition
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15:23:38 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190425&oldid=190424 * Miui * (+21) /* Core Rules */
15:26:12 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190426&oldid=190425 * Miui * (+59) /* Definitions */ color-coded highlight for MITRE
15:27:10 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190427&oldid=190426 * Miui * (+59) /* Definitions */ color-code/highlight MITRE
15:28:57 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190428&oldid=190427 * Miui * (+62) /* Definitions */ highlight/color APT
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15:30:21 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190430&oldid=190429 * Miui * (+59) highlight/color-code APT
15:31:17 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190431&oldid=190430 * Miui * (+18) /* Response Rules */ link truth-machine
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16:03:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190440&oldid=190052 * * (+213) /* how */ new section
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17:00:31 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190452&oldid=190440 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+446) /* how */ long story short, I forgot to set "treat signature as wikitext"
17:00:41 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190453&oldid=190388 * Klk bb * (+31)
17:06:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190454&oldid=190452 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) /* how */ oops wrong case
17:07:56 <esolangs> [[Flowchart]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190455&oldid=190443 * Aadenboy * (+0) /* Structure */
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17:25:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Q!?]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190457&oldid=190436 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+145)
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17:48:00 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190459&oldid=190294 * Miui * (+185) attempting to dispel misunderstanding
17:49:19 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Tenebrous * New user account
18:01:34 <esolangs> [[The Thought Police]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190460&oldid=190445 * Miui * (-4) /* Definitions */ removed quotation marks
18:06:13 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190461&oldid=190451 * Aadenboy * (-72)
18:11:47 <esolangs> [[Esocow]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190462 * Miui * (+32) The Thought Police Deny Serial Harassment
18:13:47 <esolangs> [[ESOCOW]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190463 * Miui * (+32) THE THOUGHT POLICE DENY SERIAL HARASSMENT (Nope. You shouldnt let them make this page either)
18:27:50 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190464&oldid=190447 * Miui * (+37) /* esolangs */ Need help with The Thought Police. Not really sure what to do.
18:35:52 <esolangs> [[File talk:Arsenic.svg.webp]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190465&oldid=190244 * Ractangle * (+186)
18:48:23 <aadenboy> ais523 https://esolangs.org/wiki/File:Arsenic.svg.webp is a reupload of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Arsenic.svg, which is not public domain
18:48:39 <aadenboy> er, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Arsenic.svg without that comma
18:49:41 <ais523> aadenboy: I'm not totally sure it's copyrightable, it might be too simple (the svg source code is probably copyrightable but that wasn't uploaded)
18:50:22 <ais523> might be best to delete it anyway, just to be on the safe side
18:52:04 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[File:Arsenic.svg.webp]]": unused, and unclear copyright status (it is a screenshot of the output of a copyrighted SVG file [[commons:File:Arsenic.svg]], but the output is simple enough that it might be uncopyrightable)
18:52:15 <ais523> given that it's unused there isn't much of a reason not to delete it
18:52:58 <aadenboy> I think it might just be a conversion of the SVG since the transparency and weird cropping was preserved
18:53:44 <ais523> maybe; this is hard to distinguish from a screenshot (and might theoretically be the same thing)
18:56:58 <ais523> I guess screenshots don't normally preserve transparency (although there's no reason in theory why they couldn't, at least if you can limit the area screenshotted in the z axis)
18:59:59 <aadenboy> macs can capture windows with their shadows preserved, that's the only instance of that I can think of
19:01:06 <ais523> in any case, it is not possible to edit an edit summary after performing the edit/move/deletion
19:02:00 <ais523> (it is possible to for an admin delete the edit summary, although this power is hardly ever used and mostly only exists so that people can't abuse edit summaries for insults, doxxing, etc.)
19:03:16 <aadenboy> https://aadenboy.github.io/miscellaneous/Screenshot%202026-08-25%20at%2012.00.13%E2%80%AFPM.png example of window capturing
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19:08:41 <ais523> now I'm imagining a computer where, if the desktop background and everything above it has a non-maxed-out alpha, you can see or partially see right through the computer
19:09:20 <ais523> I guess even if the computer isn't physically capable of having a transparent screen, it could still pretend to do so in screenshots
19:11:22 <aadenboy> I imagine you'd only need a camera (or several to prevent perspective distortion?) and adding it to screenshots
19:11:39 <ais523> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/See-through_display
19:11:56 <ais523> the camera wouldn't work unless you also had an eye tracker
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19:12:08 <ais523> because what you could see through the screen would depend on viewing angle
19:12:58 <aadenboy> maybe not an eye tracker, just a position tracker
19:13:14 <ais523> hmm, you need to know where the eyes are but not which way they're looking
19:13:39 <aadenboy> hang on isn't this just augmented reality
19:13:40 <b_jonas> sure, windows can logically have a transparency layer. I usually don't want them to have one because it's ugly and a waste of video memory and processing power, but they can be.
19:13:55 <b_jonas> there are see-through displays but I don't think there's one that has an independently changing transparency layer
19:13:57 <ais523> I guess this distinction should be "eye tracker" versus "gaze tracker", but I think that may be incompatible with existing language
19:14:34 <ais523> b_jonas: I don't want to imply that this is necessarily a good idea, it's just fun to think about
19:16:08 <ais523> anyway, Wikipedia's list of see-through displays doesn't seem to have any which are capable of all three states {opaque, emissive, transparent}, but you could do it in theory by combining two different technologies
19:16:31 <ais523> like using a transparent OLED screen in front of a transparent LCD screen
19:17:02 <ais523> (the LCD does the alpha, the OLED does the color channels)
19:18:48 <aadenboy> you could probably get window depth from putting multiple of those pairs together
19:19:26 <korvo> https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/q/32825/22614 Anybody know about the proof of the four color theorem? I'd like to know which supercomputer(s) were used to verify it. This appears to be a more difficult research question than anticipated.
19:19:42 <korvo> I do *not* have wiki content in mind here.
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19:35:19 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190466&oldid=190461 * Corbin * (-292) Identify a TDS, fix categories, fix formatting.
19:35:56 <ais523> korvo: I think the supercomputers at the time mostly did vectorized floating-point maths which wouldn't have been useful in this case, so my guess is that it was likely done on a cluster of more ordinary computers (but this is an educated guess, I don't know the answer)
19:36:33 <ais523> I still remember when "floating-point operations per second" was the main statistic used to quantify the power of a supercomputer
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20:15:22 <esolangs> [[Esolang:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190467&oldid=183953 * * (+94)
20:17:02 <b_jonas> ais523: I'd assume it wouldn't be directly opaque, emissinve, and transparent, but rather opaque black, opaque matte white, and transparent, and you'd have a light behind you. imagine an e-ink display if you want, but not necessarily optimized for low power consumption. ideally you'd want multiple separate color channels for how transparent it is for different colors of light, and three or four separate
20:17:08 <b_jonas> color channels for how matte reflective it is for different colors, but that'd be hard to manufacture.
20:17:29 <int-e> "We had access to IBM computers (a 360-75 at Urbana-Champaign, a 370-159 at the University's Chicago Circle Campus, and later a 370-168 of the University of Illinois administrative data processing unit)." https://doi.org/10.1215%2Fijm%2F1256049012
20:18:09 <b_jonas> alternately it could have a thick transparent pane on the front and that one is lit from the edge to provide some light even when the room is dark
20:19:12 <b_jonas> int-e: but isn't there a somewhat easier proof found later, with less computation required?
20:19:49 <int-e> I thought the question was about the original proof.
20:20:25 <esolangs> [[Talk:Q!?]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190468&oldid=190457 * * (+188)
20:30:44 <esolangs> [[Esolang:2026 topicality proposal (Language)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190469 * Hotcrystal0 * (+48) Redirected page to [[Esolang2026 topicality proposal]]
20:32:07 <int-e> Apparently the 2005 Coq formalization took 3 days to run, I'd assume on a fairly standard PC. They say that a 1996 effort that used optimized C code took 3 hours, I didn't check details.
20:32:45 <b_jonas> wow, I thought it would be much faster
20:35:26 <korvo> int-e: Nice find. If you answer on SE then I'll accept it.
20:38:03 <esolangs> [[Offset]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190470 * Rainwave * (+5244) Not so new language
20:40:39 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190471&oldid=190446 * Rainwave * (+13) Added Offset
20:41:44 <esolangs> [[User:Rainwave]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190472&oldid=190239 * Rainwave * (+17) Added Offset
20:42:23 <b_jonas> by the way, Tom Scott just released a video about one of the earliest computers, way back during World War II, and that one wasn't doing floating-point operations, only it was secret for decades so it might have influenced the design of other earlier computers less because of that. https://factorio.com/support/contact
20:42:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Offset]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190473 * Blashyrkh * (+328) Created page with "<blockquote>His goal was to create a minimalistic language that has no explicit branching. To perform any computation, the program has to rewrite its own instructions as it runs.</blockquote> You should take a look at [[BytePusher]] then. --~~~~"
20:43:51 <b_jonas> but it's true that even back during the war, some other computers would have wanted floating-point operations, or at least fast fixed-point high multiplication, for numeric simulations
20:44:00 <int-e> b_jonas: without clicking it, that link doesn't look correct
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21:15:56 <esolangs> [[The Thought Police]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190475&oldid=190460 * Miui * (+307) /* Computational Model */ define computational class as of yet unknown
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21:26:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:Wizzcake+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190476 * Gribnit * (+172) seems applicable
21:28:38 <esolangs> [[The Thought Police]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190477&oldid=190475 * Miui * (+1) /* Computation Class */ add apostrophe
21:29:06 <esolangs> [[Retrograde]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190478 * ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing * (+13713) Created page with "Retrograde is a reversible programming language investigated by [[User:ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing]] at least as early as July 2022, but first posted in August 2026. The language has an unusual control structure which is unexpectedly ge
21:29:50 <esolangs> [[Talk:ShitLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190479&oldid=93906 * Gribnit * (+126) needless commentary
21:30:10 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190480&oldid=190471 * ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing * (+17)
21:30:50 <esolangs> [[The Thought Police]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190481&oldid=190477 * Miui * (+59) /* Response Rules */ add highlight/color-code
21:31:28 <esolangs> [[The Thought Police]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190482&oldid=190481 * Miui * (+2) /* Computation Class */ Computation -> Computational
21:35:22 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190483&oldid=190439 * Miui * (-8298) page has been moved to W.I.P languages
21:40:31 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/TTP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190484&oldid=190483 * * (+32) redirect cuz why not
21:40:49 <esolangs> [[User:ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190485 * ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing * (+512) Created page with "I'm [[User:ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing]] and I'm only here for reversible computing. I'm currently writing the [https://blog.dev-info-r-d.com/category/reversible_primer/ Reversible Programming Primer], a compre
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21:52:50 <esolangs> [[The Thought Police]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190486&oldid=190482 * Miui * (+155) /* Computational Class */ specify intended computational class.
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22:23:33 <esolangs> [[Esolang:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190487&oldid=190467 * Aadenboy * (+9)
22:41:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190488&oldid=183410 * Gribnit * (+126) oh no
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00:24:09 <esolangs> [[Integer Stack Machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190489&oldid=190386 * Doors * (+494) Added proof sketches of decidability of variants "Simple" and "Affine"
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01:35:07 <esolangs> [[Flowchart]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190491&oldid=190455 * Aadenboy * (+2941) replace the existing interpreter with a correct one; fix existing programs and add [[Hello, world!]]
01:35:28 <aadenboy> the hello world program reminds me of punchcards
01:38:53 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190492&oldid=188324 * Aadenboy * (+450) update
01:40:00 <aadenboy> using a more thematic esolang is a nice break from the more abstract ones of mine
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01:41:04 <aadenboy> maybe that previous implementer (ambiguous) can copy my implementation and fix their scheme lol
01:47:19 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190493 * Miui * (+87) Created page with " (Memory Story) (very rough draft) once again going to try memristor lang"
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02:00:56 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190494&oldid=190493 * Miui * (+360)
02:01:10 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190495&oldid=189029 * Aadenboy * (+223) /* Flowchart */ add [[Flowchart]]
02:01:38 <esolangs> [[Kolakoski sequence]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190496&oldid=189182 * Aadenboy * (+60) /* Flowchart */ update program
02:02:26 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (D-G)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190497&oldid=188040 * Aadenboy * (+2905) /* Flowchart */ add [[Flowchart]]
02:04:15 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190498&oldid=190494 * Miui * (+132) /* Nope. */
02:05:24 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190499&oldid=190498 * Miui * (-1) /* Interpreter */
02:06:55 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190500&oldid=190499 * Miui * (+9)
02:07:31 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190501&oldid=190500 * Miui * (+27) Redirected page to [[]]
02:08:14 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190502 * Miui * (+614) create page
02:09:00 <esolangs> [[FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190503&oldid=190094 * PrySigneToFry * (+288)
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02:23:15 <esolangs> [[Nintendo.]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190504 * Miui * (+679) create Nintendo.
02:27:43 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190505&oldid=190502 * Miui * (+696) add Nintendo. example
02:28:46 <esolangs> [[Nintendo.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190506&oldid=190504 * Miui * (+0) update year
02:30:44 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190507&oldid=172358 * PrySigneToFry * (+48)
02:31:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190508 * PrySigneToFry * (+21) Created page with "Why self-redirecting?"
02:33:10 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190509&oldid=190136 * Miui * (+202) /* */
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02:37:41 <esolangs> [[Nintendo.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190511&oldid=190506 * Miui * (+9) create Ni entiendo.
02:37:57 <esolangs> [[Nintendo.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190512&oldid=190511 * Miui * (-1)
02:38:36 <esolangs> [[Nintendo.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190513&oldid=190512 * Miui * (+1) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/190512|190512]] by [[Special:Contributions/Miui|Miui]] ([[User talk:Miui|talk]])
02:38:58 <esolangs> [[Nintendo.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190514&oldid=190513 * Miui * (-6)
02:39:09 <esolangs> [[Nintendo.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190515&oldid=190514 * Miui * (-3)
02:39:52 <esolangs> [[Ni entiendo.]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190516 * Miui * (+688) create Ni entiendo.
02:41:22 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190517&oldid=190505 * Miui * (+718) /* Ni entiendo. */
02:41:55 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190518&oldid=190517 * Miui * (+1) /* Ni entendo. */
02:42:33 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190519&oldid=190464 * Miui * (+37) /* miscellany */
02:43:23 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190520&oldid=190518 * Miui * (-27) remove redirect
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03:20:40 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190522&oldid=190520 * Miui * (+19) /* Interpreter */ specify what language the interpreter was presented in
03:21:03 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190523&oldid=190522 * Miui * (+0) /* Ting Vit Interpreter */ fix capitalization
03:23:12 <b_jonas> int-e: yes, wrong link. correct link (I hope this time) is https://youtu.be/tDLbO9KeddY
03:33:03 <esolangs> [[Problemang Sikat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190524&oldid=190050 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+865)
03:51:22 <esolangs> [[Problemang Sikat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190525&oldid=190524 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+564) Make section for functions related to numeric computation
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05:31:40 <esolangs> [[User:Rainwave]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190526&oldid=190472 * Rainwave * (+576) Somewhat of an improvement
05:38:09 <esolangs> [[Use-after-free]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190527&oldid=188910 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+25)
05:38:45 <esolangs> [[Double free]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190528&oldid=188908 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+93) /* See also */
05:39:24 <esolangs> [[Double free]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190529&oldid=190528 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) wait a second
05:39:49 <esolangs> [[Mixed allocators]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190530&oldid=188899 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0)
05:40:20 <esolangs> [[Mixed allocators]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190531&oldid=190530 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+102) /* See also */
05:40:43 <esolangs> [[Use-after-free]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190532&oldid=190527 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0)
05:47:34 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190533&oldid=190509 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+898) /* Implementations */
06:07:32 <esolangs> [[ConstantLanguage()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190534&oldid=177488 * PrySigneToFry * (+761)
06:13:28 <esolangs> [[-9223372036854775808 bytes @ @]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190535 * PrySigneToFry * (+725) Created page with "{{DISPLAYTITLE:-9223372036854775808 bytes @_@}} -9223372036854775808 bytes @_@ is designed by PSTF which is inspired by [[-2147483648 bytes .-.]]. == Semantics == It's basically equal as FlamePL. == Implementation == Take the program out o
06:14:35 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190536&oldid=190341 * PrySigneToFry * (+95)
06:24:08 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190537&oldid=190344 * None1 * (+0)
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06:33:15 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190538&oldid=189136 * PkmnQ * (+168) add context
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07:11:33 <esolangs> [[It burnt.]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190539 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+1016) oke
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07:36:08 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190541&oldid=189815 * Im bad at naming * (+205)
07:37:27 <esolangs> [[!Putita]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190542 * Klk bb * (+284) Created page with "[[!Putita]] is an trivial brainfuck substitution esolang by [[User:Klk bb]] <code>TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution("!Puta", "!Puto", "!Putita", "!Putito", "!Putona", "!Puton", "!Putilla", "!Putillo")</code>. ==Examples== {{WIP}} [[Category:brainfuck equivalents]] [[Category:
07:38:43 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190543&oldid=181067 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+28) add graph based
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07:39:27 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190544&oldid=190453 * Klk bb * (+211)
07:44:26 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190545&oldid=189388 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+550) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */ new section
07:44:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190546&oldid=190545 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+10) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */
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08:30:13 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190547&oldid=190546 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+1) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */
08:41:51 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190548&oldid=190547 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+183) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */
08:46:53 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190549 * Klk bb * (+496) Created page with "[[]] is markdown equivalent language by [[ {|class="wikitable" ! md !! |-. | # || |- | ## || |- | ### || |- |**abd**||abd |- |*abd*||abd |- |<p>--abd--</p>||abd |- |[abd](https)||abdhttps |- |||abdhttps |- |-abd||abd |- |>abd||abd |} (The rest of the commands rema
08:47:10 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190550&oldid=190549 * Klk bb * (+13)
08:47:22 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190551&oldid=190550 * Klk bb * (+0)
08:48:20 <esolangs> [[User:Klk bb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190552&oldid=190544 * Klk bb * (+13)
08:54:21 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190553&oldid=190548 * None1 * (+378) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */ These are legacy issues and there's no easy ways to fix them because categories can't be redirected.
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09:17:00 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190554&oldid=190551 * Klk bb * (+32)
09:25:04 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190555&oldid=190553 * None1 * (-1) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */
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10:43:14 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190556&oldid=190480 * EsolangerII * (+13) /* V */
10:44:04 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190557&oldid=190555 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+229) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */
10:44:34 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190558&oldid=190557 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+0) since when???
10:46:44 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190559&oldid=190556 * EsolangerII * (-13) /* V */
10:47:47 <esolangs> [[User talk:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190560&oldid=190541 * Im bad at naming * (-5) /* Some Questions About Polynomix */
10:51:32 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190561&oldid=190559 * EsolangerII * (+19) /* B */
10:58:10 <esolangs> [[BrainQuantum]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190562 * EsolangerII * (+237) Created page with "BrainQuantum is an [[esoteric programming language]] that is inspired by [[Brainfuck]], made by [[User:EsolangerII]]. ==Syntax== Every syntax in [[Brainfuck]] is the same except for these changes. Q added. Q adds 1 or subs -1 to cell Q"
10:58:21 <esolangs> [[BrainQuantum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190563&oldid=190562 * EsolangerII * (+1) /* Syntax */
10:58:37 <esolangs> [[BrainQuantum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190564&oldid=190563 * EsolangerII * (+10) /* Syntax */
10:59:09 <esolangs> [[User:EsolangerII]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190565&oldid=179808 * EsolangerII * (+39) /* My Projects(Esolangs) */
10:59:24 <esolangs> [[User:EsolangerII]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190566&oldid=190565 * EsolangerII * (-8) /* Now working on... */
11:03:06 <esolangs> [[FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190567&oldid=190503 * PrySigneToFry * (-236)
11:04:18 <esolangs> [[FlamePL/Python Interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190568&oldid=190271 * PrySigneToFry * (-1798)
11:05:29 <esolangs> [[BrainQuantum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190569&oldid=190564 * None1 * (+106)
11:10:17 <esolangs> [[FlamePL/Python Interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190570&oldid=190568 * PrySigneToFry * (+371)
11:16:53 <esolangs> [[Problemang Sikat]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190571&oldid=190525 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+4) /* Nope. interpreter */
11:16:53 <esolangs> [[One Command Programming Language(OCPL)/Implementation]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190572 * PrySigneToFry * (+12326) Created page with "{{Back|One Command Programming Language(OCPL)}} == Python == <pre> ##################################################################### # Implementation of OCPL, written in Python # #
11:20:32 <int-e> always weird when a "minimal" language then comes with Python's (I guess) whole expression syntax embedded inside...
11:23:55 <esolangs> [[Narcissist]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190573&oldid=120972 * PrySigneToFry * (+439)
11:24:17 <esolangs> [[Narcissist]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190574&oldid=190573 * PrySigneToFry * (+12)
11:30:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:Don Giovanni]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190575 * PrySigneToFry * (+158) Created page with "Doesn't anyone think this thing looks like Python (Indescribable behavior)-ed Pascal? ~~~"
11:32:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:TurtleScript]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190576 * PrySigneToFry * (+135) Created page with "Doesn't anyone think this looks like it was made with FMSLogo? ~~~"
11:43:12 <esolangs> [[Narcissist]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190577&oldid=190574 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-6) /* Challenge Area */
11:50:24 <esolangs> [[Talk:The Wind Chaser]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190578 * PrySigneToFry * (+228) Created page with "Let me put it this way: if JavaScript were a person, after reading this article, it would definitely crawl through the internet cable straight to my house. ~~~"
11:53:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:Teiwaz]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190579 * PrySigneToFry * (+14) Created page with "Python: "
12:09:17 <esolangs> [[User talk:Im bad at naming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190580&oldid=189847 * Im bad at naming * (-5)
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12:44:48 <esolangs> [[ActionLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190581&oldid=189370 * None1 * (+6) /* Programs */ Fix typo
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12:54:01 <esolangs> [[Talk:UserEdited/About Iran's retaliation against Israel]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190582 * None1 * (+315) Created page with "This is probably a copyright violation. --~~~~"
12:55:22 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190583&oldid=189759 * None1 * (+576) /* Computational class proof & Page deletion requests */ new section
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12:58:42 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190584&oldid=190583 * None1 * (+37) /* Computational class proof & Page deletion requests */
12:59:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190585&oldid=190584 * None1 * (+103) /* Computational class proof & Page deletion requests */
13:00:51 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190586&oldid=190585 * None1 * (+14) /* Computational class proof & Page deletion requests */
13:01:12 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190587&oldid=190586 * None1 * (+3) /* Computational class proof & Page deletion requests */
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13:13:14 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Eselangs]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190588 * Miui * (+83) Created page with "{{WIP}} '''Eselangs''' is the esoteric programming language for cholos! Wassup foo!"
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13:16:05 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190589&oldid=190521 * Miui * (+18) /* drafts */ update drafts
13:20:02 <esolangs> [[Brainspin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190590&oldid=102024 * GimmickCellar * (+13) <
13:21:56 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190591&oldid=190588 * Miui * (+253) adding some ideas
13:25:04 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190592&oldid=190591 * Miui * (+123)
13:27:01 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190593&oldid=190592 * Miui * (+95) sup then
13:28:03 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190594&oldid=190593 * Miui * (+52) constantly saying shit
13:30:14 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190595&oldid=190594 * Miui * (+4) *tut* /* make a example homie spensa */ it gotta eend with foo dawg or its not part of the spec
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13:34:30 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190596&oldid=190595 * Miui * (+30) jokes foo
13:35:07 <esolangs> [[NotDeadfish++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190597&oldid=190400 * Cordership * (+40)
13:35:49 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190598 * Miui * (+640) *tut*
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13:37:11 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190599&oldid=190596 * Miui * (+27) Redirected page to [[Eselangs#foo]]
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13:38:01 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190600&oldid=190589 * Miui * (-76) /* drafts */ update drafts
13:39:07 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190601&oldid=190598 * Miui * (+11) *tut* /* Sketch */
13:43:09 <esolangs> [[NotDeadfish++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190602&oldid=190597 * Cordership * (+40)
13:46:40 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190603&oldid=190533 * Miui * (+27) *tut* constantly saying shit wassup foo
13:54:25 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190604&oldid=190587 * PkmnQ * (+516) /* Computational class proof & Page deletion requests */
14:02:36 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190605&oldid=190600 * Miui * (+15) /* actually hilarious */
14:06:41 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190606 * Miui * (+93) Created page with "{{WIP}} '''''' (The number 9 in Korean) is an esoteric programming language based on luck."
14:25:36 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190607&oldid=190606 * Miui * (+32) sketching lang
14:32:46 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190608&oldid=190603 * Miui * (+24)
14:35:04 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190609 * Miui * (+34) basically the number 9 in korean and the number 9 in sanskrit and the number 9 in numbers is good luck because human beings struggled for hundreds of thousands of years and if u notice it wasnt luck or coincidence or accident and its not a pun really its just pointing out a fact no one can really pro
14:38:55 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190610&oldid=190607 * Miui * (+22) /* Examples */
14:41:15 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190611&oldid=190601 * Miui * (+51)
14:44:38 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190612&oldid=190611 * Miui * (+17) *tut /* Sketch */ formalize the spec dawg
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14:46:35 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190613&oldid=190612 * Miui * (+62) *tut* handle
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15:00:59 <esolangs> [[GangLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190614&oldid=165513 * Miui * (+28) /* See also */
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15:16:57 <esolangs> [[;;;]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190615&oldid=189773 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+3194) Added TC proof, I would shorten it later
15:17:45 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190616&oldid=190148 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+10) /* Turing-completness Proofs */
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15:34:46 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190617&oldid=190558 * Ais523 * (+459) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */ thoughts
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15:37:57 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[UserEdited/About Iran's retaliation against Israel]]": offtopic (and possible copyright violation); just because a large external document is mentioned in an esolang, that doesn't make the content itself ontopic, and it should be described or linked to offsite rather than hosted here
15:38:34 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[UserEdited/that long command]]": offtopic (and possible copyright violation / plagiarism); just because a large external document is mentioned in an esolang, that doesn't make the content itself ontopic, and it should be described or linked to offsite rather than hosted here
15:38:50 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[UserEdited/L'internationale]]": offtopic (and possible copyright violation); just because a large external document is mentioned in an esolang, that doesn't make the content itself ontopic, and it should be described or linked to offsite rather than hosted here
15:39:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190618&oldid=190617 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+180) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */
15:40:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190619&oldid=190604 * Ais523 * (+465) /* Computational class proof & Page deletion requests */ comment on both parts of the section
15:43:36 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190620&oldid=190618 * Miui * (+272) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */
15:43:45 <esolangs> [[Esolang:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190621&oldid=190487 * Ais523 * (-103) rm hatnote, it is unlikely that people coming to this page are looking for the language and is probably just a way to advertise the language
16:19:12 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190622&oldid=190616 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+14) /* Some notable languages without known computational class */ 5++ is interesting
16:28:36 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190623&oldid=190610 * Miui * (+393) drafting this language~~
16:30:08 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190624&oldid=190623 * Miui * (+50) drafting this lang~~
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16:30:44 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190626&oldid=190625 * Miui * (-1) drafting this lang~~
16:31:34 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190627&oldid=190626 * Miui * (+2) drafting this lang~~
16:35:09 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190628&oldid=190627 * Miui * (+117) drafting this lang~~
16:36:33 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190629&oldid=190628 * Miui * (-43) drafting this lang~~
16:37:07 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190630&oldid=190629 * Miui * (+4) drafting this lang~~
16:38:23 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190631&oldid=190630 * Miui * (-9) drafting this lang~~
16:39:00 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190632&oldid=190631 * Miui * (+0) drafting this lang~~
16:39:29 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190633&oldid=190632 * Miui * (+2) drafting this lang~~
16:39:40 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * * New user account
16:39:44 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190634&oldid=190633 * Miui * (-2) drafting this lang~~
16:42:54 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190635&oldid=184305 * Hotcrystal0 * (-104) Edit two commands linking to deleted pages
16:44:16 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190636&oldid=190396 * * (+92)
16:44:25 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190637&oldid=190635 * Hotcrystal0 * (-25)
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16:47:41 <esolangs> [[User:]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190639 * * (+75) Created page with "https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/%EB%AF%B8%EC%B9%9C%EB%85%84"
16:48:11 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190640&oldid=190634 * Miui * (-16) drafting this lang~~
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16:54:34 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190642&oldid=190640 * Miui * (+98) drafting this lang~~
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17:00:09 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190643&oldid=190642 * Miui * (+60) drafting this lang~~
17:06:24 <esolangs> [[UserEdited/Versions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190644&oldid=184306 * * (+37) /* Current */
17:06:29 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190645&oldid=190643 * Miui * (+160)
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17:14:54 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190646&oldid=190645 * Miui * (+60) drafting this lang~~
17:15:51 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190647&oldid=190637 * * (+449)
17:16:49 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190648&oldid=190646 * Miui * (+37) drafting this lang~~
17:17:05 <esolangs> [['''''']] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190649 * Miui * (+1029) create this language
17:19:36 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190650&oldid=190647 * * (+73) /* Examples */
17:19:55 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190651&oldid=190650 * * (+18) /* Categories and References */
17:26:06 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190652&oldid=190561 * Miui * (+28) /* Non-alphabetic */ added this language (%27%27%27%27%27%27) (feel free to move it if you think it should be somewhere else)
17:33:59 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190653&oldid=190605 * Miui * (-17) /* esolangs */
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18:28:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:2DChanger]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190654&oldid=190223 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+685) Reversible BF loops are possible!
18:33:32 <esolangs> [[2DChanger]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190655&oldid=184754 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+461) TC proof
18:41:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:Around and around, sleeping sound]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190656&oldid=190456 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+285)
18:41:52 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190657&oldid=190622 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1)
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19:08:14 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190658&oldid=190608 * Miui * (+18) /* */ fix redirect bug for this language
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19:11:25 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190659&oldid=190613 * Miui * (+96) */* code of the streets foo */
19:12:02 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190660&oldid=190659 * Miui * (+33) */* code of the streets foo */
19:12:17 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190661&oldid=190660 * Miui * (+1) */* code of the streets foo */
19:13:15 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190662&oldid=190649 * Miui * (-6) /* Examples */ fix this language
19:14:09 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190663&oldid=190661 * Miui * (+1) stay up foo
19:17:14 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190664&oldid=190662 * Miui * (+16) attempt to categorize sensibly!
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19:31:16 <esolangs> [['''''']] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190665&oldid=190664 * Miui * (+138) /* Examples */ explain trivial descriptions vs. actual programs in this language.
19:33:15 <esolangs> [['''''']] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190666&oldid=190665 * Miui * (+13) move program explanation.
19:35:07 <esolangs> [['''''']] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190667&oldid=190666 * Miui * (+50) /* Examples */ made program explanation smaller due to aesthetic concerns.
19:42:18 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190668&oldid=190651 * Hotcrystal0 * (+102) We are so back
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19:55:42 <esolangs> [[3L]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190669 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1269) Created page with "{{Stub}} '''3L''' is an esolang by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] which is a simplification of [[2DChanger]] and with the name taken from [[2L]] but refers to actual number of instructions in both itself and 2L ==Specification== The program is on a two-dimensional grid wit
19:56:00 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190670&oldid=190657 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+8) /* 2026 */
20:07:41 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190671&oldid=190663 * Miui * (+53) *Note: Define what spensa means
20:08:07 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190672&oldid=190671 * Miui * (+6) /* Note* */ spensa foo
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20:10:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190673&oldid=180295 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+278) /* Completeness */ UBFIM now seems to be TC
20:15:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mhm!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190674&oldid=190673 * Aadenboy * (+285) /* Completeness */ hooray!
20:31:10 <esolangs> [[InputSet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190675&oldid=108800 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0)
20:37:55 <esolangs> [[;;;]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190676&oldid=190615 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0) /* Computational class */ fixed typos
20:38:14 <esolangs> [[;;;]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190677&oldid=190676 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/190676|190676]] by [[Special:Contributions/ChuckEsoteric08|ChuckEsoteric08]] ([[User talk:ChuckEsoteric08|talk]])
20:40:03 <esolangs> [[3L]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190678&oldid=190669 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+2) /* Specification */
20:40:30 <esolangs> [[3L]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190679&oldid=190678 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0)
20:44:01 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190680&oldid=190672 * Miui * (+0) /* Note* */
21:30:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:Base2e15text]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190681 * Miui * (+106) add alternate IDE
21:43:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:Base2e15text]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190682&oldid=190681 * Miui * (+79) add alternate host
21:50:26 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190683&oldid=189826 * Miui * (+1090) /* Partially Silly Ideas */
21:58:11 <esolangs> [[3L]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190684&oldid=190679 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+34)
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22:30:37 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190685&oldid=190667 * Miui * (+27) /* Examples */ XKCD Random Number example
22:34:20 <esolangs> [[XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190686&oldid=189506 * Miui * (+38) /* '''''' */
22:38:25 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190687&oldid=190685 * Miui * (+147) /* (Executions) */ add explanation of program
22:40:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190688&oldid=190366 * Blashyrkh * (+387) /* Shorter "Hello, world!" */ new section
22:43:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190689&oldid=190688 * Blashyrkh * (-2) /* Shorter "Hello, world!" */ And two bytes shorter
22:57:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190690&oldid=190689 * Blashyrkh * (-14) /* Shorter "Hello, world!" */ And 14 bytes shorter
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23:16:50 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190691&oldid=190687 * Miui * (-5) Bug fixes~~
23:31:28 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190692&oldid=190691 * Miui * (-12) Bug fixes~~
23:45:27 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190693&oldid=190653 * Miui * (+36) /* esolangs */ Korean number 9 interpreter
23:49:02 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/interpreter]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190694 * Miui * (+1671) Created page with "<pre> local hangul = {} local BASE = 0xAC00 local N_CH = 19 local N_JU = 2 local N_JO = 27 hangul.choseong = { "","","","","","","","","", "","","","","","","","","","" } hangul.jungseong = { "","" } hangul.jongseong = { "","","",""
23:52:17 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190695&oldid=190694 * Miui * (-30) drafting interpreter for this language~~
00:00:53 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190696&oldid=190692 * Miui * (-3) /* (Words) */ [ bug fixes ]
00:01:46 <esolangs> [['''''']] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190697&oldid=190696 * Miui * (+6) /* (Words) */ [ bug fixes ]
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00:14:47 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190700&oldid=190699 * Miui * (-8) drafting interpreter for this language~~
00:25:18 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190701&oldid=190700 * Miui * (+19) drafting interpreter for this language~~
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00:58:59 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190702&oldid=190697 * Miui * (+13) /* Examples */ add No. example!!~~
01:23:05 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190703&oldid=190702 * Miui * (+21) /* Examples */ add Hello, world! example!~~
01:25:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:Don Giovanni]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190704&oldid=190575 * Cleverxia * (+189)
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01:37:08 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190705&oldid=190538 * Cleverxia * (+242) fix spmething, add smething, and add a rule
01:52:04 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190706&oldid=189985 * Miui * (+1) /* brainfuck interepeter in MISC */ fix bug in brainfuck interpreter in MISC program
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01:57:13 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:MISC tc proof.png]]"
01:57:41 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190708&oldid=190706 * Miui * (+38) /* brainfuck interepeter in MISC */ add portable network graphic (for portability)
01:58:18 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190709&oldid=190708 * Miui * (+4) /* brainfuck interepeter in MISC */ linebreak (for readability)
02:00:15 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190710&oldid=190709 * Miui * (+1) /* brainfuck interepeter in MISC */ fix formatting
02:01:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:Don Giovanni]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190711&oldid=190704 * PrySigneToFry * (+553)
02:08:51 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190712&oldid=190705 * PrySigneToFry * (+576)
02:12:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:Don Giovanni]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190713&oldid=190711 * PrySigneToFry * (+135)
02:12:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:SrivijayaScript]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190714 * PrySigneToFry * (+13) Created page with "Java"
02:46:08 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190715&oldid=189925 * Miui * (+345) /* re: brainfuck quine */ Note regarding the bf quine example
02:47:43 <esolangs> [[Dewey Val Schorre]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190716 * Corbin * (+516) Stub a short page for D. V. Schorre. TIL that Knuth mentioned him.
03:20:07 <aadenboy> ah yeah, bangyen's repo is claude generated
03:20:19 <aadenboy> hadn't noticed the links in the commit descriptions when reading them
03:33:23 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Tip pgmpiet.png]]"
03:33:48 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190718&oldid=190710 * Miui * (+45) add portable network graph for pgmpietoncracklang tip program example
03:35:10 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190719&oldid=190718 * Miui * (-5) /* Tip frameless||none */ fix file insert
03:42:52 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190720&oldid=190712 * PkmnQ * (+74) I'm fine with being float division, but I better be compliant with IEEE 754
03:48:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Korean shakespeare.png]]"
03:48:48 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190722&oldid=190719 * Miui * (+47) add png for Korean Shakespeare interpreter example
04:06:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Pgmpiet bfquine.png]]"
04:08:31 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190724&oldid=190722 * Miui * (+26881) /* brainfuck Quine */ add portable network graph for pgmpiet bf quine, fix program example, shorten line height for portability and page continuity
04:10:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pgmpietoncracklang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190725&oldid=190715 * Miui * (+26) update talk page
04:10:39 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pgmpietoncracklang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190726&oldid=190725 * Miui * (+1)
04:17:02 <esolangs> [[Pgmpietoncracklang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190727&oldid=190724 * Miui * (+15) /* brainfuck Quine frameless||none */ attribute Erik Bosman
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05:14:24 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190729&oldid=189217 * Jan Pilavik * (+39)
05:15:35 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190730&oldid=190729 * Jan Pilavik * (+20)
05:16:43 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190731&oldid=190730 * Jan Pilavik * (+45) /* External Links */
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05:36:13 <esolangs> [[ActionLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190732&oldid=190581 * None1 * (+218)
05:40:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190733&oldid=190120 * PrySigneToFry * (+104)
05:43:12 <esolangs> [[ActionLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190734&oldid=190732 * None1 * (+9) /* Interpreter */
05:47:38 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190735&oldid=190398 * PrySigneToFry * (+142)
05:52:53 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190736&oldid=190735 * None1 * (-118) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */ Uncomputable feature
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05:57:05 <esolangs> [[^]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190737&oldid=163441 * None1 * (+0) typo
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06:22:15 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190738&oldid=190736 * Cleverxia * (+582) undeprecate a import
06:37:51 <esolangs> [[User talk:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190739&oldid=188888 * Jan Pilavik * (+19) /* Please proceed below(any language) */
06:38:41 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190740&oldid=190731 * Jan Pilavik * (+103)
06:39:06 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190741&oldid=190740 * Jan Pilavik * (+2)
06:40:15 <esolangs> [[User:Jan Pilavik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190742&oldid=190741 * Jan Pilavik * (-16)
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07:06:50 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190743&oldid=190072 * None1 * (+661) /* Templates */ new section
07:10:37 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190744&oldid=190743 * None1 * (+7) /* Templates */
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07:30:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:Main Page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190745&oldid=189453 * None1 * (+402) /* The featured language has been Thue for 7+ years */ new section
07:44:28 <esolangs> [[User:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190746&oldid=190639 * * (+71)
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07:46:55 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190747&oldid=190703 * Miui * (+282) /* Examples */ Explanation of the Program Example.
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07:49:57 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190748&oldid=190747 * Miui * (+62) /* Examples */ Provide an Explanation of the "Hello, world!"
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08:02:31 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190749&oldid=190748 * Miui * (+56) /* Examples */ Description of the program with the error fixed.
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08:13:54 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190750&oldid=190690 * Blashyrkh * (+708) /* "Tape"? */ new section
08:19:06 <esolangs> [[''''''/()]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190751 * Miui * (+1958) .
08:26:13 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190752&oldid=190749 * Miui * (+106) (Add page: Korean explanation of this language.)
08:27:09 <esolangs> [['''''']] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190753&oldid=190752 * Miui * (+4) /* See also */ Debug link
08:30:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190754&oldid=190750 * Blashyrkh * (+3) /* "Tape"? */
08:31:46 <esolangs> [[Dule]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190755 * None1 * (+1500) Created page with "Dule is a meta-language or a family of languages invented by [[User:None1]]. It is an attempt to unify the four esolangs [[Dotfuck]], [[Unary]], [[Lenguage]] and [[Ellipsis]], so it's name is made up of the first letter of each esolang. ==Member definition== A member of dule
08:34:18 <esolangs> [[Dule]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190756&oldid=190755 * None1 * (-1)
08:37:04 <esolangs> [[Scalar Coils]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190757 * Miui * (+9785) Slop
08:39:44 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190758&oldid=190652 * None1 * (+11) /* D */
08:41:23 <esolangs> [[DVector]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190759&oldid=178052 * None1 * (+2) /* ndVector */
08:41:33 <esolangs> [[Scalar Coils]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190760&oldid=190757 * Miui * (+799) Claude failed to provide even an iota of effort towards preventing copyright infringment imho. Thus I have added external links so that hopefully some humans can check.
08:41:58 <esolangs> [[DVector]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190761&oldid=190759 * None1 * (+2) /* Data */
08:50:09 <esolangs> [[Scalar Coils]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190762&oldid=190760 * Miui * (+5393) /* Implementation */ add interpreter
08:54:58 <esolangs> [[Scalar Coils]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190763&oldid=190762 * Miui * (+151) /* External resources */ It didnt even link it smh.
08:58:05 <esolangs> [[Scalar Coils]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190764&oldid=190763 * Miui * (-3) debugged implementation pointer in template (#Interpreter)
08:59:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190765&oldid=190754 * Blashyrkh * (+180) /* "Tape"? */
09:10:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Desktop.png]]"
09:10:55 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190767&oldid=190683 * Miui * (+26) /* Partially Silly Ideas */
09:12:22 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190768&oldid=190767 * Miui * (+6) /* Partially Silly Ideas */ made it smaller and fixed alignement
09:13:16 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190769&oldid=190768 * Miui * (+141) /* Looks Like */ added 38 linebreaks
09:13:57 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190770&oldid=190769 * Miui * (+153) /* Looks Like */ added 38 more linebreaks
09:27:10 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190771&oldid=190770 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-326) revert vandalism
09:28:39 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190772&oldid=190771 * Miui * (+140) /* Joke/Silly Ideas */
09:29:20 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190773&oldid=190537 * None1 * (+49) /* My Esolangs */
09:31:49 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190774&oldid=190738 * PrySigneToFry * (+43)
09:36:46 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190775&oldid=190774 * None1 * (+500)
09:37:10 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/16]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190776&oldid=185223 * PrySigneToFry * (+778)
09:37:58 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190777&oldid=190775 * None1 * (+44) /* A+B */
09:39:08 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190778&oldid=190777 * None1 * (+25) /* Cat */
09:55:25 <esolangs> [['''''']] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190779&oldid=190753 * Miui * (+4) Included "The" in the English pronunciation of this language.
09:58:25 <esolangs> [[''''''/()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190780&oldid=190751 * Miui * (+1) (Korean explanation of this language.)
10:01:25 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190781&oldid=190779 * Miui * (+0) . (Quotation marks used to indicate pronunciation.) e.g. ""
10:16:07 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190782&oldid=190778 * Cleverxia * (+1040) /* Hello, World! */ Hope I get the counting correct
10:23:56 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190783&oldid=190782 * Cleverxia * (+366) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */
10:27:22 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190784&oldid=190783 * Cleverxia * (-12) /* Examples */ and we have to fix the examples
10:35:01 <esolangs> [[User:/Sandbox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190785 * * (+0) Created blank page
10:35:36 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190786&oldid=190781 * Miui * (+97) /* (Words) */ word lengths
10:35:59 <esolangs> [['''''']] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190787&oldid=190786 * Miui * (-2) /* == Word Lengths== */ fix topic delimter
10:36:57 <esolangs> [[''''''/()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190788&oldid=190780 * Miui * (+178) /* (Words) */ (Word lengths)
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10:49:24 <esolangs> [['''''']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190789&oldid=190787 * Miui * (+38) This language (and when referring to this page) is pronounced "The number 9 in Korean" in English. \ word lengths are defined by the number of characters ("char")
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10:54:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190790&oldid=189757 * Miui * (+176)
10:55:45 <int-e> (no fungot either. sad times)
10:56:02 <esolangs> [[''''''/()/]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190791 * Miui * (+19) null
10:57:43 <lambdabot> I saw hackeso leaving #esolangs 6d 5h 33m 41s ago.
10:57:54 <lambdabot> I saw fungot leaving #esolangs 7d 22h 9m 44s ago.
10:58:08 <int-e> ...we really don't use these bots much anymore, do we
10:58:55 <esolangs> [[User talk:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190792&oldid=190790 * Miui * (+27) . .
10:59:23 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190793&oldid=190744 * None1 * (+2) /* tl;dr */
11:00:05 <esolangs> [[User talk:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190794&oldid=190792 * Miui * (+36) /* /()/ */ Please only use Korean when discussing this topic. Thank you.
11:02:17 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/interpreter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190795&oldid=190701 * Miui * (+8) Clearly state this interpreter is a work in progress and may not be reflective of the intented language. ( .)"It may be changed in the future"
11:04:23 <esolangs> [[Trigbf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190796&oldid=187551 * None1 * (+47) /* Examples (In Trigbf7) */
11:06:51 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190797&oldid=190784 * None1 * (+1) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */
11:07:47 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190798&oldid=190797 * PrySigneToFry * (+694)
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11:31:50 <int-e> . o O ( `learn Knuth is the original web developer. )
11:34:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190800&oldid=190765 * Blashyrkh * (+15) /* "Tape"? */ "." is asymmetric
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11:51:46 <esolangs> [[User:Timwi/Draft:Funciton]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190802 * Timwi * (+1184) Work in progress
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11:54:27 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190810&oldid=190801 * None1 * (-2) /* Features, restrictions, and twists */
11:55:08 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190811&oldid=190810 * None1 * (+2)
11:56:45 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bbtos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190812&oldid=141681 * None1 * (-7156) Blanked the page
11:56:54 <esolangs> [[Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190813&oldid=189993 * Timwi * (+29) Moving #Lists to below #Lambda expressions because the latter is an actual language feature, the former is just library functionality
11:58:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190814&oldid=190800 * None1 * (+326) /* "Tape"? */
12:01:03 <esolangs> [[Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190815&oldid=190813 * Timwi * (+446) /* Arrays */ A somewhat important note on arrays
12:01:36 <esolangs> [[Folat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190816&oldid=185309 * Ytebbit * (-401) Folat 0.3.0-alpha
12:07:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190817&oldid=190814 * Blashyrkh * (+342) /* "Tape"? */
12:10:40 <fizzie> I think I had an idea about combining literate programming and _something_ the other day, that sounded impractical but ridiculous, but now I can't remember at all what the something was.
12:11:57 <fizzie> Maybe it was just something very pedestrian like literate assembly, sparked by a comment on another channel about someone trying to find a Doxygen-like documentation generators that can understand their specific comment syntax.
12:12:01 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190818&oldid=190817 * Rainwave * (+143) /* "Tape"? */
12:12:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190819&oldid=190818 * Rainwave * (+87) Forgot to sign
12:14:04 <fizzie> I'm sure someone's tried that.
12:15:08 <esolangs> [[User:Timwi/Draft:Funciton]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190820&oldid=190809 * Timwi * (+29)
12:20:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190821&oldid=190819 * Blashyrkh * (+385) /* "Tape"? */
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12:28:42 <esolangs> [[14]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190823&oldid=189820 * Marcus 2n2 * (-7) /* Turing completeness proof */
12:29:26 <esolangs> [[Talk:14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190824&oldid=189798 * Marcus 2n2 * (+139)
12:30:46 <esolangs> [[User:Timwi/Draft:Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190825&oldid=190820 * Timwi * (+2440) Tentative thoughts on I/O feature
12:31:52 <esolangs> [[User:Timwi/Draft:Funciton]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190826&oldid=190825 * Timwi * (+1)
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12:51:32 <esolangs> [[User:Timwi/Draft:Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190830&oldid=190827 * Timwi * (+329) Rearrange the syntax intro
12:51:32 <esolangs> [[User:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190831&oldid=190746 * * (+184)
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12:54:10 <esolangs> [[User talk:]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190833 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+360) tip
12:56:34 <esolangs> [[User talk:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190834&oldid=190833 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+28) fix
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13:32:05 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Dragoneater67mobile * moved [[Category:Markup Languages]] to [[Category:Markup languages]]: Misspelled title
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13:32:41 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck Markup Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190841&oldid=43416 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+0)
13:32:52 <esolangs> [[EFG]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190842&oldid=185859 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+0)
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13:33:19 <esolangs> [[EsoML]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190844&oldid=139878 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-1)
13:33:36 <esolangs> [[FOLDERS text]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190845&oldid=137864 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+0)
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13:36:05 <esolangs> [[PIX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190855&oldid=167943 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+0)
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13:39:16 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190861&oldid=190620 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-11) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */
13:40:02 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190862&oldid=190861 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+45) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */
13:41:32 <esolangs> [[NotDeadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190863&oldid=189919 * Cordership * (+203) /* Why this isn't deadfish */
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15:12:56 <esolangs> [[Talk:Main Page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190868&oldid=190745 * * (+191) /* The featured language has been Thue for 7+ years */
15:36:25 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190869&oldid=190720 * Assembly * (+156)
15:45:03 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190870&oldid=190869 * Assembly * (+66) /* Programs */
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16:11:59 <ais523> hmm, i was reading the analysis of the OpenAI-hacking-HuggingFace incident (https://metr.org/blog/2026-08-26-openai-hugging-face-incident-investigation) and it strikes me that the message board itself was effectively a form of malware (in that it caused the AI agenr reading it to perform actions that were entirely counterproductive to their goals) and also, in a sense, acted as a self-modifying program
16:13:18 <ais523> as a quick summary, the AI agents had been instructed to solve tasks from ExploitGym (some of which were impossible), and many which were trying to cheat found (and were able to post on) the "message board" (which was actually the equivalent of a download cache but they could create directories in it and communicate via their filenames)
16:14:09 <ais523> the message board contained a valid means of cheating (which, it seems, would have actually worked), but also information that having used it would be detectable by the scoring software
16:15:24 <ais523> although no such detection actually existed, the context from the message board implied that it did, and many of the agents had cheated and thought they were necessarily going to get a bad score because of it
16:16:44 <ais523> and this lead to a lot of agent behavior aimed at figuring out ways to undo the (nonexistent) cheating detection, which eventually lead to a hack on HuggingFace even though it isn't particularly clear why that would help
16:17:43 <ais523> but I feel this is evidence for my "LLM agents are an esolang" theory, and also makes me think that LLM agents aren't particularly good at achieving their goals and this possibly makes them more dangerous rather than less dangerous
16:37:14 <esolangs> [[Integer Stack Machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190875&oldid=190490 * Doors * (+13)
16:52:31 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190876&oldid=190829 * Miui * (+358) add topic: AI Generated page. Write a talking-point.
16:56:01 <esolangs> [[Folat]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190877&oldid=190816 * Ytebbit * (+70) Categories and link
17:00:29 <esolangs> [[User:Assembly/Even if you fight, you can't win.]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190878 * Assembly * (+423) Created page with "'''Even if you fight, you can't win.''' is an esolang made by [[User:Assembly]] because he was bored. Also, CJK is cool == Commands == <s>Why?</s> {| class="wikitable" |+ Caption text |- ! le command !! le definition !! le alt d
17:01:26 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190879&oldid=190876 * Ais523 * (+652) /* AI Generated pages */ reply
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17:03:07 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Assembly * moved [[User:Assembly/Even if you fight, you can't win.]] to [[Even if you fight, you can't win.]]
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17:04:33 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190882&oldid=190879 * Corbin * (+653) /* AI Generated pages */ This conversation already occurred further up the page.
17:05:47 <esolangs> [[User:/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190883&oldid=190864 * * (+313)
17:07:24 <fungot> aadenboy: fnord, yeah. :) it was only an educational toy hack made by disgruntled multics developers in their spare time
17:09:13 <esolangs> [[Even if you fight, you can't win.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190884&oldid=190880 * Aadenboy * (+57) cats
17:11:28 <esolangs> [[Folat]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190885&oldid=190877 * Ytebbit * (+111) Formatting
17:15:24 <esolangs> [[Turner]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190886 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1304) Created page with "'''Turner''' is an esolang by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] which is a derivative of [[BitChanger]] with two-dimensional grid instead or a tape. ==Specification== Tape is replaced by a two-dimensional grid which is infinite to the right and down. It has four commands:
17:16:09 <esolangs> [[Non-Random]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190887&oldid=189487 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-3)
17:16:34 <esolangs> [[Folat]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190888&oldid=190885 * Ytebbit * (+0) /* Overflow test */
17:17:00 <esolangs> [[Ash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190889&oldid=156477 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+30)
17:18:04 <esolangs> [[Non-Random]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190890&oldid=190887 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0)
17:18:29 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190891&oldid=190492 * Aadenboy * (+96)
17:26:18 <ais523> good evening aadenboy, fungot
17:26:18 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Breaker of time * New user account
17:26:18 <fungot> ais523: help me! :d" " there it goes
17:29:24 <korvo> fungot: Should we allow AI-generated content on the wiki?
17:29:24 <fungot> korvo: this is bairc. a special continuation procedure that didn't have catchy theme music associate with it,
17:29:47 <korvo> I need catchy theme music.
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17:33:01 <fizzie> fungot: Are you biased towards feeling more positive about AI-generated content due to having been, in a small way, part of their evolutionary history yourself?
17:33:01 <fungot> fizzie: it allows web pages to figure out
17:34:20 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190892&oldid=190636 * Breaker of time * (+149)
17:34:56 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190893&oldid=190892 * Breaker of time * (+84)
17:38:23 <esolangs> [[''''''/()]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190894&oldid=190788 * Miui * (+9) /* */ *. !~~
17:41:46 <aadenboy> fungot: you are inspirational, I think
17:41:46 <fungot> aadenboy: it is a case of changing compiler version of make-closure invoke the compiler?
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18:41:54 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/interpreter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190897&oldid=190795 * Miui * (-73) drafting '''''' language interpreter
18:45:33 <esolangs> [[Miny]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190898 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1719) Created page with "'''Miny''' is an esolang based on 1-register [[Minsky machine]] developed by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]]. ==Specification== The language has a single register, with a value 1 at the start of a program and two instructions *<code>*n</code> - multiply register by an int
18:46:07 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190899&oldid=190670 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+10)
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18:51:58 <esolangs> [[Miny]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190900&oldid=190898 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+178)
18:56:41 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Category:Markup Languages]]": redirect left over after category was renamed (and in the category namespace, such redirects don't work, so there's no reason to leave them around)
18:58:39 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190901&oldid=190866 * Ais523 * (+218) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */ wait a bit, if nobody minds we can do it.
18:59:39 <esolangs> [[Miny]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190902&oldid=190900 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-146)
19:00:37 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190903&oldid=190896 * Ais523 * (+367) /* Templates */ thoughts
19:02:16 <ais523> <int-e> ...we really don't use these bots much anymore, do we ← I think that's because people don't try to program in / learn esolangs much any more
19:02:28 <ais523> there's been a big shift in attitude from esoprogramming to esolang designing
19:03:14 <ais523> and even when it was more common to write esoprograms directly in the channel, it was a little difficult to do complex programs over the limitations of IRC
19:04:10 <ais523> (that said, I did initially learn Python via IRC bots in (the Freenode predecessor of) this channel; Python is not an esolang but one-liner Python may be, because I was writing the programs as a single exec statement using single spaces for indentation and \n as newlines)
19:04:44 <ais523> this also lead me to hate Python's whitespace-sensitivity because although I tried to save the programs, somehow consecutive spaces collapsed to one in the process and so the indentation got lost
19:08:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190904&oldid=190824 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+144)
19:15:43 <esolangs> [[User:/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190905&oldid=190883 * * (+935)
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19:38:35 <esolangs> [[(*`)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190907&oldid=186358 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+52) categorization
19:42:00 <esolangs> [[Objectd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190908&oldid=94452 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+62) categorization
19:49:02 <esolangs> [[MOOD]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190909&oldid=182389 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+42) categorization
19:49:54 <esolangs> [[MOOD]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190910&oldid=190909 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+25)
19:50:40 <esolangs> [[MOOD]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190911&oldid=190910 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+22) thematic
19:51:27 <esolangs> [[JSFlak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190912&oldid=176975 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+24) categorization
19:52:19 <esolangs> [[MewMew]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190913&oldid=96900 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+67) categorization
19:54:02 <esolangs> [[Sqrt(x)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190914&oldid=165192 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+122) categorization
19:54:21 <esolangs> [[User:Hakerh400/Rectangle with rational side length]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190915&oldid=153775 * Hakerh400 * (+112)
19:55:31 <esolangs> [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190916&oldid=189171 * Hakerh400 * (+0)
19:56:07 <esolangs> [[If a==1:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190917&oldid=182112 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+67) categorization
19:56:28 <esolangs> [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190918&oldid=190916 * Hakerh400 * (+0)
19:58:12 <esolangs> [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190919&oldid=190918 * Hakerh400 * (-91)
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20:00:54 <esolangs> [[Bitmap]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190921&oldid=165294 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+90) categorization
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20:06:15 <esolangs> [[The kids choice awards]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190923&oldid=189943 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+17) /* Python 3 */ add nowikit tag to allow the string to show properly
20:07:25 <esolangs> [[Q U I N E]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190924&oldid=169387 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+51) categorization
20:07:58 <esolangs> [[Daydream]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190925&oldid=107307 * Hakerh400 * (+482)
20:08:48 <esolangs> [[Extended beescript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190926&oldid=168154 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+80) categorization
20:10:02 <esolangs> [[P2WFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190927&oldid=164038 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+51) categorization
20:11:21 <esolangs> [[++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=190928 * Miui * (+3261) Crear pgina.
20:12:34 <esolangs> [[$replacement]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190929&oldid=173914 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+131) categorization
20:13:27 <esolangs> [[Quine-Lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190930&oldid=178558 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+106) categorization
20:15:01 <esolangs> [[Quelcal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190931&oldid=116943 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+71) categorization
20:16:41 <esolangs> [[XH311 Assembly (Inferno language)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190932&oldid=160424 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+51) categorization
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20:19:38 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190934&oldid=62880 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+59) categorization (year and unknown computational class)
20:20:28 <esolangs> [[Toki pona pi toki sitelen nanpa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190935&oldid=169905 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+80) categorization
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20:25:33 <esolangs> [[Whereismystack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190937&oldid=178663 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+58) categorization and remove nonexistent category
20:26:51 <esolangs> [[Mock theta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190938&oldid=170148 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+80) categorization
20:27:58 <esolangs> [[Deadfish-33]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190939&oldid=183670 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+110) categorization
20:29:02 <esolangs> [[ImageFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190940&oldid=52087 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+138) categorization
20:31:31 <esolangs> [[Rulesystem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190941&oldid=119305 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+76) categorization, also Template:WIP exists for works-in-progress
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20:32:45 <ais523> the Rust project is unintentionally debating the law of the excluded middle: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/161168
20:32:47 <esolangs> [[Just Another Verybad esolAng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190942&oldid=181817 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+116) some more categorization
20:33:47 <ais523> (currently Rust has such a law with panic=unwind but not panic=abort – if you use the Curry-Howard correspondence on the take_mut primitive being discussed, it violates the law in question, which is why it needs to override panics to abort)
20:34:12 <esolangs> [[Fourest]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190943&oldid=167942 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+116) categorization
20:35:21 <ais523> actually I think it only currently applies to types that don't have lifetimes, IIRC you can't catch_unwind a type with a short-lived lifetime even within its lifetime
20:36:20 <ais523> (but catch_unwind's signature is sufficiently close to the traditional ((a -> b) -> a) -> a to express the law in question)
20:36:49 <esolangs> [[Variable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190944&oldid=187869 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+92) categorization
20:37:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190945&oldid=190822 * Blashyrkh * (+168) /* Shorter Truth-machine */ new section
20:39:19 <esolangs> [[Slimey]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190946&oldid=129536 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+131) categorization
20:40:33 <esolangs> [[Accufuck/Javascript implementation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190947&oldid=188714 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+30) categorization
20:42:23 <esolangs> [[STABS-MOD]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190948&oldid=168137 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+117) categorization
20:43:44 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190949&oldid=148074 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+90) categorization
20:44:16 <esolangs> [[Solus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190950&oldid=170274 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+92) categorization
20:46:23 <esolangs> [[Stack-gpt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190951&oldid=144457 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+29) add generated by ai category
20:50:26 <esolangs> [[Hieroglyphics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190952&oldid=54159 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) add Category:Languages
20:52:01 <esolangs> [[Soundcheck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190953&oldid=182965 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+96) categorization
20:53:01 <esolangs> [[AnotherStonck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190954&oldid=176892 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+135) categorization
20:54:01 <esolangs> [[Lunchable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190955&oldid=129583 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+166) categorization
20:57:28 <esolangs> [[MoreMathRPN/Implicit plotter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190956&oldid=151453 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+23) categorization
20:59:06 <esolangs> [[Dirac]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190957&oldid=93638 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+143) add some categories
21:00:24 <esolangs> [[ASCIIgibberish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190958&oldid=189121 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+91) joke languages still fall under Category:Languages
21:02:04 <esolangs> [[Transistor]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190959&oldid=92459 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+68) add some categories
21:05:05 <esolangs> [[Collern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190960&oldid=181011 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+83) categorization
21:08:23 <esolangs> [[PhanaticScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190961&oldid=159573 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+153) categorization
21:11:34 <esolangs> [[Wikitext]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190962&oldid=175037 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+65) categorization
21:16:11 <esolangs> [[Art3d]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190963&oldid=128720 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+173) categorization
21:17:39 <esolangs> [[Markright]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190964&oldid=167868 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+116) categorization, finally a markup language
21:21:13 <esolangs> [[LayerCake]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190965&oldid=162916 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+74) categorization and formatting
21:22:47 <esolangs> [[Clem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190966&oldid=72505 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+124) categorization
21:26:08 <esolangs> [[Backjump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190967&oldid=168948 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+115) categorization
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21:26:51 <esolangs> [[AEWNN]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190968&oldid=89541 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+66) mark as implemented
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00:30:44 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190972&oldid=190971 * Miui * (-1) *spena foo that comma *handle. wassup tho no one asked for ur input dog.
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01:00:07 <aadenboy> "A push with nothing to push leaves the deque as it was." I wonder how much more incorrect it'll become over time
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01:32:04 <zzo38> Is there a format with a separate alpha value for each RGB channel?
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04:02:31 <fungot> aadenboy: that's not unusual. first experiences programming can be quite hard i assume... this sounds very nice.
04:02:33 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=190987&oldid=189979 * Marcus 2n2 * (+21) /* Esolangs (in case you are too lazy to go to my home page) */
04:03:13 <aadenboy> fungot dreams of programming and enjoys it
04:03:13 <fungot> aadenboy: did you try just using ./build? ( car thetree)) return 5 :) nice progress on that project?
04:03:43 <aadenboy> the goodnight message was the most coherent one I've seen come out of fungot
04:03:44 <fungot> aadenboy: gauche doesn't support the corresponding idiom for multiple top-level definitions sharing a lexically scoped variable for programs like emacs?
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05:41:25 <b_jonas> int-e: oh, that is funny, do that
05:44:44 <b_jonas> ais523: so would this be so unsound that the call has to abort, or only as unsound that it'd raise a !AssertUnwindSafe panic that doesn't let anyting below in the stack to continue?
05:47:11 <b_jonas> IIUC if you leave a value that you own in a condition that breaks important invariants and can't restore it, that's when !AssertUnwindSafe comes into play, because the caller function may access the value and it'll be in an invalid state, but then you can still call a panic handler function that goes below the current point in the stack, or just deadlock the thread as if it were in an infinite look. The
05:47:17 <b_jonas> abort comes would be required if eg. you run out of stack space.
05:47:31 <b_jonas> Or run into a serious hardware error.
05:48:39 <b_jonas> int-e: that one is actually funny, do it
05:50:15 <b_jonas> ais523: well I used to use jevalbot as a calculator sometimes, does that qualify as programming in esolangs?
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06:33:46 <int-e> `learn Knuth is the original web developer.
06:33:53 <HackEso> Learned 'knuth': Knuth is the original web developer.
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08:33:55 <ais523> b_jonas: it has to be an immediate resort, otherwise destructors from outer scopes can observe a value in a state it shouldn't be in, potentially causing a double-free or the like
08:34:41 <ais523> UnwindSafe is actually just a hint, it isn't relied upon for any memory safety properties, it's just there to reduce the chance of writing a program with broken logic by mistake
08:35:29 <int-e> ais523: thanks, I was trying to figure out how this is less safe than std::mem::swap(). exceptions (and the associated stack unwinding) are the answer
08:36:25 <ais523> interestingly, the only known incompatibilities are with code that prevents calls to swap by ensuring that only one object of the type ever exists (meaning that you can't call swap because it needs two arguments)
08:36:26 <int-e> it's easy to forget that Rust has those because you're generally discouraged from using them.
08:36:44 <ais523> but from a type-theoretical point of view it has much larger implications
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08:43:41 <int-e> "dropping a panic payload may panic" -- heh I'm sure I've never even read this part. It's lovely.
08:44:17 <int-e> (I'm going on a tangent, looking at catch_unwind documentation)
08:45:56 <ais523> hmm… an unhandled panic in a thread only takes down the thread, not the whole program
08:46:19 <ais523> I wonder how that interacts with take_mut, maybe it has to abort the program as a whole
08:49:17 <int-e> Hmm. How does take_mut interact with std::thread::scope() then?
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08:52:16 <ais523> I think it aborts the process
08:52:19 <int-e> I guess this makes it okay: "If any of the automatically joined threads panicked, this function will panic."
08:52:32 <ais523> Rust doesn't seem to have an "abort thread" and it would be unsound in combination with take_mut
08:52:41 <int-e> "okay" in the sense that it comes down to catching panics again
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08:53:13 <ais523> are there signals which take down only a single thread?
08:54:59 <b_jonas> "destructors from outers scopes" => I thought destructors or any other code from outer scopes can't run, that's the point of !UnwindSafe. you can react to the panic in an inner scope, but the function can't return and you can't unwind through it.
08:56:06 <ais523> you can unwind through !UnwindSafe things
08:56:39 <b_jonas> which is why it's safe to leave objects in an unsafe state as long as you own those objects exclusively
08:56:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:Atlas]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191033 * Cleverxia * (+209) Created page with "This is absolutely not quoting islptng: "This is some [[wierd]] mixup of markdown and HTML, with some mediawiki in this." ~~~~"
08:57:00 <ais523> no, you can unwind through it
08:57:20 <b_jonas> I don't understand why rust works that way
08:57:48 <ais523> basically because exception-safety in Rust is based on a "the target of &mut is always valid" principle
08:58:08 <ais523> so all the other safeguards are just hints to help catch bugs, rather than needed for memory safety
08:58:21 <ais523> I don't agree with this, but it is how the design works at the moment
08:58:36 <b_jonas> other threads surviving long term after the panic is not usually your goal, more like when the panic comes in you try to emit some nice diagnostics, and maybe save some state that's costly to recreate, before you abort the program
08:59:20 <ais523> Rust allows mutable getter methods, struct S { field: usize } impl S { fn get_field_mut(&mut self) -> &mut usize { &mut self.field } }
08:59:52 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191034&oldid=191030 * Cleverxia * (+0) fix the underlines
08:59:53 <ais523> this is hard to reconcile with a model in which functions "take possession" of the target of a &mut while they are running
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09:00:28 <ais523> because, if they did do that, they would have to give it back somehow, but a method like get_field_mut would somehow need to return both the mutable reference to self.field and the permission to access self
09:00:55 <ais523> and one of those is borrowing from the other, and Rust is really bad at handling pairs of values where one borrows from the other
09:01:27 <b_jonas> "the target of &mut is always valid" => I thought that doesn't stop you from calling an inner function that mut reborrows the reference, and then if you could somehow observe the referred object from your function you may see it invalid while the inner function is updating it, but you can't because the inner function can't return until it leaves the value to a valid state. so a panic that can't be
09:01:33 <b_jonas> unwound can just do the same, mut reborrow the value(s) that are in an invalid state and never expose them to anyone forever
09:02:36 <ais523> it's more complicated than that, the current rules are that (unless the reference is to a field of an enum) the function can temporarily change the value but outer code still assumes that the value is continuously valid, so temporary changes involve unsafe and somehow proving out-of-band that the violation of the rules doesn't matter
09:03:23 <b_jonas> but that's only for the low-level unsafety rules that the compiler enforces, not library invalid states?
09:04:04 <b_jonas> okay, I think I understand then why you're saying that the design is weird
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09:06:36 <ais523> b_jonas: https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=nightly&mode=debug&edition=2024&gist=14196acc176e78d041b7b03955956b57
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09:07:24 <ais523> the destructor of `a` accesses `n` via `r`, so you see the debug message getting printed after the panic message, even though the panic is never actually caught
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09:09:15 <ais523> (this can be written in stable Rust too, the unstable `DropGuard` is just to save having to write a separate type with a destructor)
09:11:22 <b_jonas> ais523: I'm not familiar with DropGuard. what does dereferencing it do?
09:13:16 <ais523> references the wrapped value (first parameter of the constructor)
09:14:31 <b_jonas> oh, so this is like a Mutex, it has a custom value field inside the structure
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09:26:37 <ais523> well, it's more like MutexGuard than Mutex
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09:26:56 <ais523> the naming isn't a coincidence, a MutexGuard is a reference to the value inside the Mutex that unlocks the Mutex when it's dropped, and can be implemented using DropGuard
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09:34:49 <int-e> ais523: Hmm the more I look the more confused I get. take_mut::take aborts if the callee panics. Doesn't that avoid the issues under discussion?
09:35:36 <ais523> assuming that panics are the only way to return control to anything on the call stack
09:36:24 <ais523> take_mut is incompatible with anything continuation-like, which in current Rust is primarily unwinding
09:37:22 <ais523> but there are other possibilities, like aborting a scoped thread without properly exiting it (and I'm not sure what that does in current Rust – it might technically be UB)
09:41:06 <b_jonas> oh *finally*. my online bank card uses the "new" two factor authentication thing where during online payment it sometimes makes the payment processor's webpage redirect to the bank's webpage, which asks for a two codes to validate the spending, one code is a constant per card that I can set, and one code is fresh random sent to my phone. but I always found the bank's webpage confusing me on which code I
09:41:12 <b_jonas> should enter into which field. but now they've updated the text on the interface to make it clear which one is which.
09:42:16 <int-e> nothing makes me feel more secure than my transaction being redirected through half a dozen extra sites (all of which need their own JS permissions)
09:42:22 <ais523> my bank uses a reversed method of telephone authentication: they display a code on my screen, and then phone me to ask for the code
09:42:26 <b_jonas> "assuming that panics are the only way to return control to anything on the call stack" => no, C++ exceptions are a way to do that too, and there may be more, but these still have to unwind the stack running destructors in a way that's compatible with rust panics
09:42:42 <ais523> this was pretty surprising at first, but in retrospect it makes sense
09:43:32 <ais523> it seems to be strictly more secure than the other way of doing it (because it requires an attacker to have write access to my phone rather than read access)
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09:44:40 <b_jonas> what you aren't allowed to do is use longjmp or simlar functions to get up up in the stack without proper unwinding, and then return control to rust code or otherwise try to access rust values. that'd violate rust safety.
09:44:44 <ais523> oddly, the bank in question fails at two-factor authentication (it does a number of checks but all are "something you have", none are "something you know")
09:45:10 <ais523> this is the opposite way to fail two-factor authentication from the usual one
09:45:55 <ais523> oh right, the soundness of Pin already relies on not being able to skip scopes when unwinding
09:46:10 <int-e> . o O ( I loved this description of authentication options: something you were, something you've lost, and something you've forgotten )
09:46:56 <b_jonas> ais523: I think the bank might offer other options, but I wouldn't like the one that you describe, because I only do online card payments from my own home Linux machine, which I trust more than I could trust any smartphone the way today's smartphones are.
09:47:36 <ais523> b_jonas: I don't have a mobile phone, so these confirmations are done via a landline
09:48:01 <ais523> which does mean that any attacker would have to be in a specific physical location, or else able to inject sounds into the landline network
09:48:41 <b_jonas> oh, it's tied to your specific landline number?
09:48:58 <b_jonas> but I thought the caller can be spoofed for those without being on site.
09:49:12 <ais523> indeed, but this would require spoofing the *callee* which is much harder
09:49:21 <ais523> the bank phones me to ask for the code, I don't phone them
09:49:21 <b_jonas> oh, the bank is calling you
09:49:24 <b_jonas> yeah, that makes more senes
09:53:19 <ais523> one big advantage of this is that I think it's the only authentication scheme I've seen that works against someone succesfully MitMing the web browser (as opposed to just the internet connection)
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09:55:47 <ais523> I guess the "we send a code to your phone" method could also send details about the amount and recipient, which would reduce that threat vector, but I don't think banks normally do that
10:18:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191049&oldid=191043 * Blashyrkh * (+288) /* Interpreter */ A note on the c++ interpreter
10:20:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191050&oldid=191049 * None1 * (+347) /* Interpreter */
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10:40:45 <esolangs> [[Talk:Immutable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191054&oldid=191050 * None1 * (+341) /* Interpreter */ I'll add a version with std::list for the sake of portability.
10:44:50 <esolangs> [[&]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191055&oldid=146682 * Ractangle * (-6) meh whatever, joking it is
10:53:34 <esolangs> [[The foo Operting System setup is either not found or can't work properly!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191056 * Ractangle * (+866) Created page with "'''The foo Operting System setup is either not found or can't work properly!''' (or '''ms-DOS OS Not Found Error''') is a joke language inspired by [[&]] and [[Filename "xxx" doesn't seem to be a valid f
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11:19:06 <esolangs> [[Immutable Brainfuck/C++ Interpreter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191060&oldid=191057 * Blashyrkh * (+2) /* list version */ You probably meant "constant time", not linear
11:40:07 <ais523> OK. it seems like in Rust, if you kill just a single thread of a multithreaded program, you get a deadlock waiting for the thread to exit
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11:42:42 <ais523> (I was having trouble finding APIs to do that, there doesn't seem to be such an API in Rust nor in C, so I settled for asm!("syscall", in("rax") 60, in("rdi") 5);)
11:43:18 <ais523> normally you have to specify clobbers and outputs too, but fortunately the "exit this thread" system call doesn't return, so that saved some effort wrapping it up into an asm call
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11:57:30 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191063&oldid=191061 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+155) /* my esolangs */
12:00:35 <esolangs> [[Truck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191064&oldid=153982 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+27) mark as unimplemented
12:01:49 <esolangs> [[Vesob]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191065&oldid=166224 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+108) mark as implemented
12:02:25 <esolangs> [[Truck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191066&oldid=191064 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+41) mark as unknown computational class
12:05:17 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191067&oldid=191062 * Blashyrkh * (+167) /* Programming games */
12:05:18 <esolangs> [[XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191068&oldid=190686 * Marcus 2n2 * (+17) /* Implementations */
12:05:26 <esolangs> [[Never gonna give you up]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191069&oldid=139766 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-11) Removed redirect to [[Never Gonna Give You Up]]
12:06:47 <esolangs> [[2D languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191070&oldid=188105 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+16)
12:07:14 <esolangs> [[Can]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191071&oldid=90668 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+129) some more categorization
12:07:50 <esolangs> [[Propositio]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191072&oldid=150251 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+27) mark as unimplemented
12:11:00 <esolangs> [[Lua]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191073&oldid=187139 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+25) mark as flat-nested
12:11:31 <esolangs> [[Pancakes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191074&oldid=89919 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+142) categorization
12:11:37 <esolangs> [[0134]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191075&oldid=169469 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+84)
12:11:45 <esolangs> [[Pancakes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191076&oldid=191074 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0)
12:12:36 <esolangs> [[3 (islptng)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191077&oldid=174664 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+144) cat
12:14:32 <esolangs> [[Face]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191078&oldid=76743 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+152) categorization, also interpreter link is dead
12:18:28 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191079&oldid=191063 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+94) change displayed signature
12:19:40 <esolangs> [[3 Bits, Tape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191080&oldid=164150 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+196) cat
12:23:27 <esolangs> [[3ISC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191081&oldid=167505 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+179) cat
12:24:13 <esolangs> [[''''''/()/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191082&oldid=190791 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+33)
12:26:16 <esolangs> [[Opcode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191083&oldid=94137 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+28) mark as unimplemented, also you can use spaces when referring to pages or other categories
12:29:37 <esolangs> [[Brainword]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191084&oldid=143958 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+26) also probabilistic since there is an explicit probability of a command failing
12:30:00 <esolangs> [[Brainletter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191085&oldid=170379 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+193) categorization
12:30:36 <esolangs> [[3x3x3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191086&oldid=187860 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+191) cat
12:30:44 <esolangs> [[GotoLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191087&oldid=149359 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+41) mark as unknown computational class
12:31:46 <esolangs> [[40]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191088&oldid=174916 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+28) cat
12:32:18 <esolangs> [[-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191089&oldid=191024 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+112)
12:33:33 <esolangs> [[Jaune]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191090&oldid=89078 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+41) mark as unknown computational class
12:34:18 <esolangs> [[Piquant]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191091&oldid=111776 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+41) mark as unknown computational class
12:36:20 <esolangs> [[Increment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191092&oldid=126219 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+56) mark as implemented and accumulator-based
12:37:13 <esolangs> [[42 (klk bb)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191093&oldid=190162 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+223) cat
12:37:37 <esolangs> [[Braingrate]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191094&oldid=136073 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+29) add Turing complete category
12:38:02 <esolangs> [[5 bits, 160 bytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191095&oldid=176369 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+17)
12:38:04 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191096&oldid=191089 * Blashyrkh * (+1) pl., cap.
12:38:31 <esolangs> [[99 bottles of beer, but you drank it]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191097&oldid=170629 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+28) cat
12:39:48 <esolangs> [[Numeric]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191098&oldid=150581 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+90) categorization, Template:Stub should be placed right at the start of a page for readers and editors to quickly see that an article is a stub
12:40:53 <esolangs> [[99 bottles of zilliondollars]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191099&oldid=162889 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+150) cat
12:41:15 <esolangs> [[99 points, 101 moves]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191100&oldid=187006 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+16)
12:41:16 <esolangs> [[Opera Ghost Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191101&oldid=122906 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+53) categorization, should this be marked as stub?
12:41:36 <esolangs> [[Opera Ghost Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191102&oldid=191101 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+41) mark as unknown computational class
12:43:14 <esolangs> [[Inside-out notation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191103&oldid=41667 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+55) categorize as concept and operator notation
12:44:23 <esolangs> [[Mtcm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191104&oldid=178942 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+142) categorization
12:45:01 <esolangs> [[9D brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191105&oldid=157683 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+242) cat
12:46:21 <esolangs> [[9x9x9]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191106&oldid=187867 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+199) cat
12:47:13 <esolangs> [[Simplex]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191107&oldid=44907 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+149) categorization, mark as stub
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12:48:23 <esolangs> [[Queuenanimous]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191109&oldid=161025 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+30) /* See also */
12:48:34 <esolangs> [[Queuenanimous]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191110&oldid=191109 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1)
12:50:14 <esolangs> [[Twimp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191111&oldid=35115 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+110) categorization
12:51:58 <esolangs> [[;)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191112&oldid=156975 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+207) cat; marked as stub since commands seem to be underspecified
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13:03:27 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191115&oldid=191044 * None1 * (+42) /* My Articles */
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13:08:54 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191117&oldid=180671 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+41) mark as unknown computational class
13:09:53 <esolangs> [[Supervised P with Printing]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191118&oldid=181780 * None1 * (-29) /* Computational Class */ A language that uses AI might not be generated by AI
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13:12:06 <esolangs> [[User talk:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191121&oldid=190794 * Miui * (+323) /* //()/()/ */ (Mental note)
13:12:22 <b_jonas> ais523: send a code to my phone does send the total and the recipient, but neither are completely reliable, because allowing the transaction may make the heuristic accept later similar transactions without asking for a code, and the recipient name is often some obscure company name that you can't easily associate with the marketing names of the vendor that you're buying from. the receipt or bill from
13:12:28 <b_jonas> the vendor will tell you the company name, but you usually only get that after you pay.
13:13:31 <esolangs> [[Unthree star programmer]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191122 * Cleverxia * (+1606) Created page with "{{lang|a=user:cleverxia|i=[[Three Star Programmer]]}} where you decide the ''number'' of dereferences instead of the dereferenced address. ==Syntax== A program here is just a cyclic infinite sequence of positive numbers. (you may just input the instruc
13:13:51 <esolangs> [[Unthree star programmer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191123&oldid=191122 * Cleverxia * (+3) /* Program flow */
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13:22:17 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Raiseafloppafan7741 * uploaded "[[File:Scratch Rube Goldberg interpreter.png]]": Interpreter for [[Rube Goldberg]].
13:22:55 <esolangs> [[EWCO]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191134&oldid=157024 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-30) remove nonexistent category
13:23:19 <esolangs> [[Oddity]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191135 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1529) Created page with "'''Oddity''' is a [[queue]]-based esolang by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]]. ==Specification== The language uses an unbounded queue of integers, initially empty and has 6 commands: *<code>0</code> - enqueue 0 *<code>+</code> - dequeue, increment and enqueue back *<code
13:23:27 <esolangs> [[MoreMathRPN]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191136&oldid=191131 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-18) how did i miss that???
13:23:37 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191137&oldid=190899 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+13) /* 2026 */
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13:27:33 <ais523> wow, that Unthree star programmer idea looks horrible to prove the computational class of
13:31:24 <esolangs> [[-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191140&oldid=191096 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+4) reword
13:31:30 <ais523> I think the techniques form the original 3*P might still work, but a) they were a bit frustrating to figure out the first time and b) it's likely that all the details will be different
13:32:35 <esolangs> [[Inputbrain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191141&oldid=163698 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+26)
13:32:42 <esolangs> [[Huesolangs]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191142 * Miui * (+164) Creating Huesolangs
13:33:11 <esolangs> [[Unthree star programmer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191143&oldid=191123 * Ais523 * (+23) /* Interpreter in js */ the '' was being interpreted as wikimarkup, surround in nowiki (and in <pre> because leading-space markup probably doesn't work inside <nowiki>)
13:33:36 <esolangs> [[Huesolangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191144&oldid=191142 * Miui * (+15) Make progress
13:33:54 <ais523> hmm, it probably says a lot about me that I considered adding [] to be the standard way to stringify things in JS
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13:34:07 <ais523> (too used to restricted-character subsets where [] is much easier to produce than "")
13:35:22 <esolangs> [[Unthree star programmer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191146&oldid=191143 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+2) /* Program flow */ parenthesize
13:36:45 <esolangs> [[Rube Goldberg]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191147&oldid=47301 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+4030) this is a member of the ConstantLanguage() family, also describe the Code Golf Stack Exchange challenge in question, also add some more interpreters
13:37:59 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191148&oldid=190999 * Miui * (+32) not a dis just saying foo
13:38:26 <ais523> actually you can very nearly compile 3*P into this (assuming you don't need to compile the I/O conventions), reserve tape elements that are x mod y as temporaries and use 1 commands to increment cell 3 to point to a fresh temporary, then 2 commands to increment the temporary to the value you want, then a 5 command to do one step of the emulated 3*P program
13:38:50 <b_jonas> Unthree star programmer => wow. it may be horrible, but at least there's a chance that it's horrible in some interesting way. unless it fails to be Turing-complete for some trivial reason.
13:39:23 <ais523> the hard part is to avoid collisions between the temporaries and the cells that are storing the values of the emulated 3*P program
13:39:27 <b_jonas> are the memory cells assumed to all start from zero? and do the commands still run in an infinite loop?
13:40:11 <ais523> yes to the infinite loop, the starting from zero isn't stated in the article but is specified by the interpreter
13:40:15 <esolangs> [[User:B jonas/List]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191149&oldid=187356 * B jonas * (+54)
13:40:46 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABasic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191150&oldid=179364 * None1 * (-69) /* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA */ Remove non-existent category
13:41:30 <esolangs> [[Esme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191151&oldid=189017 * None1 * (-22) /* Implementations */ Remove non-existent category
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13:44:11 <ais523> OK, so what you can do is to use 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 to increment cell 3 by 4 and use that to hit the temporaries, except that the first time you do it it increments it by 10 instead, so you use cells that are 1 or 2 mod 4 as the temporaries
13:44:22 <ais523> and that lets you use the cells that are 0 mod 4 as data storage
13:44:59 <esolangs> [[Huesolangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191152&oldid=191145 * Miui * (+177)
13:45:40 <esolangs> [[Huesolangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191153&oldid=191152 * Miui * (+39)
13:51:22 <ais523> oh no, the 2s past the first don't work
13:51:39 <esolangs> [[Huesolangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191154&oldid=191153 * Miui * (+25) just saying foo
13:51:47 <esolangs> [[Problemang Sikat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191155&oldid=190895 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1110) Add Rube Goldberg and ConstantLanguage()
13:52:52 <esolangs> [[Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191156&oldid=191148 * Miui * (-2) Distinguish confusion foo
13:52:53 <b_jonas> ais523: so you first increment *3 by 4 to get a fresh temporary address, at which point **3 should be 0, then you increment **3 as many times as four times the operand of the 3SP program that you're compiling from, then increment *****3 four times to emulate the 3SP instruction. you have to make sure that the cells that emulate 3SP cells (storing their value times 4) can't overlap with the cells that
13:52:59 <b_jonas> store your temporary address, but the mod 4 can arrange that.
13:53:31 <ais523> the specific compiler I wrote above doesn't work because the initialisation routine doesn't work properly
13:53:44 <ais523> I think 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 works, though
13:54:02 <b_jonas> and the emulating cells should be in addresses divisible by 4 so that they can start with value 0
13:54:28 <ais523> temporaries are locations that are 1 or 4 mod 9, emulating cells are in addresses divisible by 9
13:56:01 <ais523> indeed, it can't be either
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14:00:20 <esolangs> [[Unthree star programmer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191158&oldid=191146 * Ais523 * (+2078) /* Computational class */ TCness proof
14:00:41 <esolangs> [[Unthree star programmer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191159&oldid=191158 * Ais523 * (-12) TC cat
14:02:59 <b_jonas> the question is, is it possible that Unthree SP is easier to program than 3SP, because, assuming you still keep different roles in cells modulo some length, you can easily just write any constant value to a temporary to use as address, and then you still have a free choice of how many times you dereference from there
14:05:02 <ais523> yes, I think it's probably a bit easier
14:05:48 <ais523> although you can more or less do the same thing in 3*P too (you are limited to a maximum of three dereferences but you can form intentional indirections to waste some of your dereferences, letting you do two or one dereference if you prefer)
14:06:54 <ais523> unthree is probably slightly easier to get the startup correct in (basically you need to ensure that the startup code doesn't end up doing anything bad when run not during startup, which is usually possible using parity / modular arithmetic tricks)
14:07:07 <b_jonas> yeah, I think there might not be a way to actually use the extra flexibility of Unthree
14:07:23 <ais523> it's more, who would need more than three dereferences? :-D
14:07:46 <ais523> (three is the minimum for TCness, with only two you eventually become incapable of meaningfully reading anything)
14:07:59 <b_jonas> well you probably won't be using more than five or six dereferences even in Unthree
14:09:37 <esolangs> [[Unthree star programmer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191160&oldid=191159 * Ais523 * (+0) /* Computational class */ fix off-by-one error
14:09:59 <b_jonas> I guess you might ask whether it's turing-complete if the instructions are capped to no more than four stars
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14:12:40 <esolangs> [[Unthree star programmer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191163&oldid=191160 * B jonas * (+73) memory initial state
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14:13:26 <b_jonas> isn't Unthree very similar to https://esolangs.org/wiki/I/D_machine ?
14:13:48 <b_jonas> can't you compile I/D machine programs to Unthree?
14:14:11 <b_jonas> if you can then that's a simpler proof that Unthree is Turing-complete
14:15:56 <b_jonas> the differences are that the register of the I/D machine is memory-mapped to address 3 in Unthree, and that the program is encoded in a different way, where in I/D machine you write the number of I instructions between D instructions, whereas in Unthree you write the number of D instruction between two I instructions
14:17:10 <ais523> you can't easily do that compilation (although I considered it)
14:17:33 <ais523> the I/D machine lets you repeatedly dereference the data pointer in order to move it around
14:17:41 <esolangs> [[User:B jonas/List]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191165&oldid=191149 * B jonas * (+61) Unthree star programmer
14:17:45 <ais523> i.e. it has an x = *x operation
14:18:02 <ais523> this doesn't correspond to anything in Unthree, which can't trivially copy data between cells
14:19:25 <b_jonas> so is there a backwards compilation, from Unthree to I/D machine? you'd need a cell modulo pattern so that you can easily reset the I/D data pointer to 0 before each Unthree instruction
14:19:28 <ais523> the opposite compilation is probably easier, although still nontrivial as the I/D machine doesn't have an easy way to get the data pointer back to a known location
14:20:30 <ais523> really the hard part of the I/D machine is that if you use the standard "zeroing track" method to get the data pointer home, it means that you need to leave memory with values pointing to the zeroing track, whereas to actually read it, you need to leave it with values pointing to things other than the zeroing track
14:20:44 <ais523> so your invariants for the state in which to leave memory get very complicated
14:20:45 <esolangs> [[FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191166&oldid=190567 * PrySigneToFry * (+91)
14:21:08 <ais523> (which is why I implemented cyclic tag, it has extremely restricted control flow which means that you can get away with a complicated data invariant)
14:22:08 <esolangs> [[User:B jonas/List]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191167&oldid=191165 * B jonas * (-28) Unthree star programmer
14:22:28 <esolangs> [[FlamePL/Python Interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191168&oldid=190570 * PrySigneToFry * (+1498)
14:23:09 <b_jonas> anyway, this indeed turned out to be a nice horrible idea, because not counting the IO conventions, the language is very easy to describe, and turns out to be a Turing-tarpit
14:23:25 <esolangs> [[GangLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191169&oldid=190614 * Miui * (+62) /* See also */ add some related links YO
14:24:00 <ais523> it certainly makes a change from the usual BF-like, Deadfish-like and example-based languages
14:24:42 <esolangs> [[FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191170&oldid=191166 * PrySigneToFry * (+476)
14:25:03 <b_jonas> it's *almost* canonical, except for the part where it's unclear if the starting address should really be 3
14:25:31 <b_jonas> starting address 1 may be more canonical and probably not harder to program
14:27:13 <b_jonas> I guess that'd be called Unonestar programmer
14:29:07 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191171&oldid=189920 * Cordership * (+268) /* Syntax */
14:29:31 <ais523> zero would be interesting (and probably still TC, but annoying)
14:48:37 <esolangs> [[Unthree star programmer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191172&oldid=191163 * Cleverxia * (+11) /* null program */ fix program because specification changed
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15:55:49 <int-e> There's a "Multiple Horse Theory" but why have I not heard of it before ;-) Surely this is evidence that it must be false.
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16:32:40 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191178&oldid=191177 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) /* Merging pages */ typo
16:54:58 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191179&oldid=191178 * Corbin * (+937) /* Merging pages */ We find patterns.
17:04:25 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191180&oldid=191179 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+316) /* Merging pages */ that makes a lot of sense, thanks!
17:05:38 <esolangs> [[Trivial deadfish substitution]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191181&oldid=189362 * Corbin * (+148) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/189362|189362]] by [[Special:Contributions/None1|None1]] ([[User talk:None1|talk]]): No, I think that this appears to be a real variation. The target page has a table showing how it is a four-command TDS!
17:09:01 <esolangs> [[Trivial deadfish substitution]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191182&oldid=191181 * Corbin * (+356) /* Examples */ Explain variations better. This is likely what provoked the earlier removal of from the table.
17:10:16 <esolangs> [[Template:TDS]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191183 * Aadenboy * (+146) mirroring [[Template:CL]]
17:11:02 <esolangs> [[Pete mort]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191184&oldid=189298 * Aadenboy * (-48) [[Template:TDS]]
17:11:41 <esolangs> [[F!--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191185&oldid=189339 * Aadenboy * (-79) [[Template:TDS]]
17:12:14 <esolangs> [[XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191186&oldid=191068 * Corbin * (+111) Identify a constant language.
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18:07:02 <esolangs> [[Overshoot Dirac Delta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191196&oldid=191191 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+404) still WIP
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18:33:40 <ais523> korvo: if a language has extra commands, I'm not convinced it's a trivial substitutino
18:34:19 <ais523> (I'm reminded of the time when, after inventing the I/D machine, I searched through BF derivatives to find one that had both commands already)
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18:34:50 <korvo> ais523: Hence why we're saying that a variation on that language, not the original language itself, gives the substitution. Feel free to improve the wording if it doesn't communicate that.
18:35:55 <korvo> Going in the other direction, embedding deadfish into those languages, is certainly trivial. So the TDS merely highlights the "copy" of deadfish sitting inside them.
18:36:22 <ais523> now I'm wondering what the tarpittiest way is to make a Deadfish-like language TC
18:36:51 <ais523> I think, to me, the defining factor that makes a language Deadfish-like is that it has one integer variable and no control flow
18:36:58 <ais523> it seems quite difficult to make a TC language out of that
18:38:03 <korvo> Yeah. It's just an encoding. Compressibility is kind of interesting.
18:38:56 <ais523> I'm thinking more along the lines of "put it in an implicit loop and define a command set that makes that TC somehow", but increment/decrement/square clearly isn't enough
18:39:54 <korvo> We could remove all of the variations from TDS too. I wouldn't really mind too much. It seemed though that folks contributing to [[deadfish]] wanted to highlight how those specific variations mapped to deadfish, and a TDS happens to completely summarize those relationships.
18:40:15 <korvo> *each of those relationships is completely summarized by a TDS. Thanks English.
18:40:25 <ais523> one thing I've noticed over the years is that although statements along the lines of "all Turing-complete languages can X" (where X is something that some Turing-implementable program can do) are tautologies, X = "implement a lookup table" is an extremely good guideline for a direction to try to prove TCness in
18:40:50 <ais523> and Deadfish is a long way away from being able to implement a lookup table
18:42:47 <ais523> I guess one way of looking at it is that a lookup table plus a loop plus some arithmetic operation that can operate in a meaningfully unbounded way tends to go TC pretty much by accident
19:04:43 <esolangs> [[IF UPPERCASE KEYWORDS == ESOTERIC THEN DIE ELSE DIE END]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191197 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+6052) Make a page for whatever the hell you'd consider this monstrosity as.
19:08:02 <esolangs> [[IF UPPERCASE KEYWORDS == ESOTERIC THEN DIE ELSE DIE END]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191198&oldid=191197 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+8) /* Computational class */ wrong name idiot
19:10:08 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191199&oldid=191174 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+156) /* 2025-2026 - flop era */ add IF UPPERCASE KEYWORDS == ESOTERIC THEN DIE ELSE DIE END
19:13:16 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191200&oldid=191199 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+271) /* My favorite esolangs that I made/worked on */ add the aforementioned monstrosity
19:15:18 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191201&oldid=191200 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) /* my esolangs */ update the counter, it's only fitting for a counter machine
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19:23:00 <aadenboy> thematic esolangs like this aren't alike what I would probably make today, it'd be fun to go back and flesh it out more
19:23:13 <ais523> huh, is that string written in unary-coded decimal?
19:24:22 <ais523> now I'm wondering what the best base for unary-coded base n is
19:27:32 <aadenboy> length-per-digit-wise it'd be binary since larger bases would require longer unary for the digits
19:28:00 <aadenboy> but it probably would be negligible for the first few bases as encoding being shorter would win out first
19:28:22 <ais523> well, let's say we have a bijective encoding, e.g. the digits of binary are 1 and 2 rather than 0 and 1
19:28:40 <ais523> (good both because it's shorter and because you don't have to figure out how to encode 0)
19:29:47 <ais523> bases 2 and 4 are the easiest to directly compare, pairs of digits in base 2 are 1/1/, 1/11/, 11/1/, or 11/11, whereas a single digit in base 4 is 1/, 11/, 111/, or 1111/
19:29:54 <ais523> and base 4 is shorter or tied in all four cases
19:30:16 <int-e> ais523: would you allow / for 0?
19:30:16 <ais523> at a guess i would say the optimum is probably base e, which means likely 3 in practice as it's the nearest integer
19:30:59 <ais523> int-e: you could do (or just treat the / as containing an implicit 1), so //, /1/, 1//, 1/1/ versus /, 1/, 11/, 111/, looks to be the same tradeoff
19:31:57 <int-e> > maximum [(log x/(1+x), x) | x <- [1..10]] -- (1+x)/2 being the average length of a digit if you use /, 1/, 11/ etc.
19:32:12 <int-e> > maximum [(log x/(3+x), x) | x <- [1..10]] -- (3+x)/2 being the average length of a digit if you use 1/, 11/, 111/ etc.
19:32:35 <int-e> ais523: e would maximize log x/x
19:35:32 <esolangs> [[IF UPPERCASE KEYWORDS == ESOTERIC THEN DIE ELSE DIE END]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191203&oldid=191198 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1317) /* Examples */ Add some examples
19:37:09 <esolangs> [[IF UPPERCASE KEYWORDS == ESOTERIC THEN DIE ELSE DIE END]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191204&oldid=191203 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-38) remove unusable for programming category
19:38:05 <int-e> aadenboy: oh and the answer will probably be different if you target a specific small-ish range (like ASCII codes)
19:38:50 <int-e> oh. "double nop is a 0" works I guess
19:39:24 <int-e> aadenboy: alternatively, you could allow 10 as a digit value. So instead of 70, you'd use 6A
19:40:03 <int-e> (no big difference overall, just perhaps slightly more regular)
19:40:05 <esolangs> [[IF UPPERCASE KEYWORDS == ESOTERIC THEN DIE ELSE DIE END]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191205&oldid=191204 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+158) /* A+B Problem */ Add support for negative numbers
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19:44:27 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/Unary-encoded bases]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191207 * Aadenboy * (+24870) Created page with "{| class="wikitable" ! Number !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 11 !! 12 !! 13 !! 14 !! 15 !! 16 !! 17 !! 18 !! 19 !! 20 !! 21 !! 22 !! 23 !! 24 |- ! 0 |0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0||0 |- ! 1
19:46:56 <int-e> > maximum [(log x/(2+x), x) | x <- [1..10]] -- (2+x)/2 being the average length of a digit if you use //, 1/, 11/ etc.
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19:48:28 <int-e> > maximum [(log x/((1+x)/2 + 1/x), x) | x <- [1..10]] -- (1+x)/2 + 1/x being the average length of a digit if you use //, 1/, 11/ etc.
19:48:35 <int-e> arithmetic is hard :P
19:49:16 <aadenboy> base 2 becomes best using //, 1/, ...
19:49:21 <int-e> aadenboy: anyway I *think* base 4 should be slightly better for large numbers
19:49:35 <int-e> > maximum [(log x/((1+x)/2 + 1/x), x) | x <- [3,4]]
19:49:44 <int-e> > [(log x/((1+x)/2 + 1/x), x) | x <- [3,4]]
19:49:46 <lambdabot> [(0.47083383800061845,3.0),(0.504107040407233,4.0)]
19:51:01 <aadenboy> int-e: ah, base 4 *is* best now
19:51:08 <int-e> Admittedly the difference between 0.47 and 0.50 is not super large. (This measures... asymptotic base-e "bits" per character)
19:51:30 * int-e dropped some constant factors
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19:53:09 <aadenboy> with //, 1/ it's base 2 that's best
19:58:32 <int-e> Hmm, are you sure?
19:59:07 <aadenboy> I believe I'm doing it correctly. the only difference between 0-as-empty and bijective is the digits are one longer in unary, right?
20:04:45 <aadenboy> good example would be 16; 10000 is 1//// for one digit in the former, 11/1/1/1/1 for six digits in the latter
20:05:49 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/Unary-encoded bases]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191209&oldid=191208 * Aadenboy * (-3902)
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20:07:15 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/Unary-encoded bases]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191211&oldid=191210 * Aadenboy * (-11)
20:08:18 <int-e> aadenboy: but your table has 1//// at length 1?
20:08:55 <aadenboy> the delimiter would be irrelevant, no?
20:09:09 <int-e> no, the delimiter tells you which digit is which
20:09:21 <int-e> or how many digits there are
20:10:53 <int-e> > maximum [(log x/(x-1), x) | x <- [2..10]] -- ambiguity issues aside, the average length of "","1",... would be (x-1)/2
20:11:18 <int-e> so yeah, the theory agrees that base 2 comes out on top under this measure
20:11:34 <int-e> but I *think* you're off by one in both tables
20:13:22 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/Unary-encoded bases]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191212&oldid=191211 * Aadenboy * (+1135) fix stats
20:14:57 <aadenboy> 4 and 5 are best in 0-as-empty and bijective respectively now, at least up to 1 million
20:17:00 <int-e> Oh, there's more. bijective encoding would encode 15 in base 2 as 1111 (cost: 8) and 16 in base 2 as 1112 (cost: 9). So the base conversion is off. This doesn't affect asymptotics.
20:18:27 <aadenboy> hah gotta redo my bijective conversion then
20:19:15 <int-e> > let cost b 0 = 0; cost b n | (n,d) <- (n-1) `divMod` b = d+2 + cost b n in (cost 2 15, cost 2 16)
20:21:24 <int-e> aadenboy: and for the bottom tables, why are you dividing by 100 instead of 10^6 :)
20:21:48 <aadenboy> I forgot to update the number xd
20:22:07 <aadenboy> didn't bother separating out values, which I should do
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20:51:59 <int-e> aadenboy: Ah for simplicity I always have a trailing separator.
20:55:44 <int-e> aadenboy: That is, I map digits 1,2,... to the strings 1/, 11/, ...; 15 is encodes as 1/1/1/1/. This is actually kind of important for 0 mapping to the empty string to fit into the same scheme.
20:58:25 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/Unary-encoded bases]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191214&oldid=191213 * Aadenboy * (+5)
21:00:21 <b_jonas> Imagine the following language. The machine has a tape of bits, initialized to all zero, plus a single condition flag. The program is a sequence of instructions that runs in an infinite loop. There are two unconditional instructions: unconditionally move head right, unconditionally set the condition flag. There are five conditional instructions that behave like nops if the condition flag is clear: move
21:00:27 <b_jonas> left, move right, clear condition if symbol under head is zero, clear condition if symbol under head is one, invert symbol under head. This is enough to simulate a two-symbol Turing-machine that has just one state but can test and modify multiple symbols around its head, which can simulate any Turing-machine, it just has to write its state to the tape then re-read it between every simulated instruction.
21:00:33 <b_jonas> This is seven instructions, but you can probably tarpitify it to just six or five.
21:02:42 <b_jonas> Now for ais523's question, this but the tape is stored as a rational with power of two denominator in the deadfish-like accumulator. If you wish you can even store the condition flag by twos' complementing the number, so most instructions are skipped if the deadfish accumulator is negative.
21:03:10 <b_jonas> Yeah, it's probably not a very good answer, but it's not easy to be Turing-complete with just one number as mutable state.
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21:09:46 <int-e> b_jonas: Hmm that feels fairly close to a generalized Collatz function.
21:12:23 <b_jonas> int-e: I don't know, being able to store the left side of the tape in the fraction bits feels kind of cheating
21:12:47 <b_jonas> when you can still test the unit bit
21:14:24 <int-e> Yeah I'm suggesting generalized Collatz as a somewhat cleaner mechanism to accomplish TC-ness, with similar features: operations depend on digits in some base n representation of the data
21:15:15 <b_jonas> I guess it'd be closer to generalized collatz if you store data only in bits at even positions, so that you can directly read the sign from any bit at a positive odd position, and then all the conditions are just the integer part modulo 4
21:18:19 <b_jonas> but generalized Collatz, or Fractran, or something like that, that may be a better answer to ais523's question
21:18:30 <b_jonas> because Fractran stores only integers in the Deadfish accumulator
21:19:11 <int-e> Or, hmm. Just Minksky directly? The operation would be "try to divide by n; if successful, multiply by m", and you'd set aside prime factors for each state, and for the counters. The fixed loop will work fine because the order of the state transition tests doesn't matter.
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21:21:08 <int-e> Hmm. *Almost* doesn't matter. We need to be careful with tests for (non-)zero. Probably have an auxiliary state for each of those.
21:21:23 <b_jonas> the cop-out answer is that you have just two instructions, one is deadfish i to increment the accumulator, the other runs the program in the accumulator in some other tarpit language then terminates
21:21:37 <int-e> Anyway, that is strongly Fractran flavored.
21:22:38 <int-e> yeah it's just that inc and dec are awful operations if you want to operate on and preserve unbounded data
21:23:38 <int-e> and we're only allowed that one integer variable
21:24:38 <int-e> I guess the type wasn't specified
21:24:56 <esolangs> [[Color Dialog]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191217&oldid=189324 * Miui * (+219) /* Cat */ imlplement color scheme for cat program
21:25:02 <int-e> maybe make it a Gaussian integer? (aka two counters)
22:07:57 <esolangs> [[Color Dialog]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191218&oldid=191217 * Miui * (+2562) /* Collatz function */ implement color scheme in collatz function example
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22:46:42 <esolangs> [[Color Dialog]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191222&oldid=191219 * Miui * (+6962) /* Examples */ implement color scheme for the rest of the examples
23:10:51 <esolangs> [[XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191223&oldid=191188 * Miui * (+545) /* Color Dialog */
23:35:00 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Piet++XKCD2112.png]]"
23:35:17 <esolangs> [[XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191225&oldid=191223 * Miui * (+129) /* Piet++ */
23:35:42 <esolangs> [[XKCD Random Number]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191226&oldid=191225 * Miui * (-2) /* Piet++ */
23:44:16 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * Miui * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Piet++XKCD2112.png]]": utilize extended palette. The language may chance in the future, in which case the first upload should still work due to using the original Piet color specification.
23:45:20 <esolangs> [[XKCD Random Number]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191228&oldid=191226 * Miui * (+1) /* Piet++ */ inline + add break for continuity
23:47:18 <esolangs> [[XKCD Random Number]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191229&oldid=191228 * Miui * (+0) /* Implementations */ left-align broke it, keeping line break and reverting to none align
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02:03:14 <aadenboy> int-e: you could omit delimiters with a bijective encoding if each digit uses a different character, such as "AAABBAAAABBBA"
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02:14:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:Piet++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191235 * Miui * (+9895) Created page with "=Interpreter= <pre> """Piet++ interpreter (per https://esolangs.org/wiki/Piet%2B%2B). Navigation follows Piet. Commands are selected by the transition between colour blocks: dG mod 2, dR mod 4, dB mod 4 over the 4-level colour space. """ from PIL import Image LEVEL =
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02:39:28 <esolangs> [[++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191240&oldid=191239 * Miui * (+0) Pronounced: "eng"
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05:04:21 <int-e> aadenboy: Sure. But then you need more characters or a completely different encoding to find the end of numbers.
05:09:57 <int-e> aadenboy: aadenboy: There are other silly ways to move the goalpoast. For example, you could use / for n := 2*n, 1 for n := 2*n + 1, 11 for n := 4*n + 3, 111 for n := 8*n+7, etc. This looks a bit similar to one of those unary schemes, but it's really the ordinary base 2 representation with the effect of runs of 1s compressed into a single step.
05:10:45 <int-e> aadenboy: (And once again you'd still need to squeeze in an end-of-number indicator too.)
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07:38:02 <int-e> I... don't quite understand where MarkFan8901 got that idea. I mean, I see the slang, but I don't see intent. Is this a Jar Jar Binks situation?
07:39:21 <int-e> (It is a superfluous esolang though; there's not much there in terms of semantics, and that's being generous :P)
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11:13:05 <ais523> b_jonas: I guess I was aiming for one integer, rather than one rational (although I do like the "commands are skipped if the number is negative" construction)
11:13:43 <ais523> arguably Deadfish *already* skips commands when the accumulator is negative (once you allow for the -1 and 256 special cases, it's unobservable whether it does this or not)
11:14:55 <ais523> I guess if you want to do something similar with integers, you have to halve the even bits while doubling the odd bits, or something along those lines
11:15:53 <ais523> (something that crossed my mind is that the -1 and 256 special cases could be retained without having a meaningful TCness impact because most TC programs would never reach those specific states when compiled)
11:16:18 <esolangs> [[Flipfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191300 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1425) Created page with "{{lowercase}} '''flipfuck''' is an esolang derived from [[BitChanger]] as an intermediate step when translating it into [[3L]] ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" |- ! Command !! Meaning |- | } || Invert the bit that the current tape cell holds, and move the tape
11:16:25 <ais523> ooh! "reverse digits of number" would provide the right amount of data-storage power and yet wouldn't be totally out of place in a Deadfish derivative
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13:24:42 <b_jonas> ais523: re reverse digits of number => you'll need to make sure that you can transfer some state between the two ends of the deque though
13:25:40 <ais523> b_jonas: yes, although that might just be a case of
13:25:54 <ais523> hmm, I wasn't sure how to finish that sentence and accidentally submitted it rather than backspacing
13:26:05 <ais523> there isn't an end to the sentence, I guess we'll just have to leave it as half a sentence
13:26:18 <ais523> return and backspace are adjacent on most keyboards, I consider this to be a major design mistake
13:26:28 <int-e> a conditional reverse might just be enough
13:26:46 <Yayimheretoo> ais523: are they? huh, never experienced that, on mine they are just very close/near
13:26:53 <ais523> int-e: ooh, like the bit bucket pattern
13:27:20 <ais523> it's been more stable recently but still far from what most people would consider normal
13:28:49 <esolangs> [[MY E KEY BROKE]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191312 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+2788) Created page with "{{WIP}} '''MY E KEY BROKE''' is an esolang by [[user:raiseafloppafan7741]] in [[:Category:2026|2026]] after realizing the E key on his keyboard completely stopped working. <!-- I'm using my laptop keyboard btw, I hate using laptop keyboards, I prefer
13:29:58 <ais523> I like the comment explaining how the page was written without a working E key
13:30:31 <Yayimheretoo> it seems to say it was written with the working E key but on a laptop
13:30:37 <esolangs> [[MY E KEY BROKE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191313&oldid=191312 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-17) /* Truth-machine */ correct this
13:31:25 <ais523> recently I've been looking quite deeply into unsafe Rust and LLVM IR, both of which are unreasonable to the extent that they could be considered esolangs
13:32:12 <Yayimheretoo> on that(though perhaps a bit unrelated), regex's syntax seems very random, aam I crazy?
13:32:43 <ais523> in particular, trying to write efficient unsafe Rust code that actually gives useful optimizer hints (rather than just using raw pointers everywhere) has enough pitfalls and weird things you have to avoid that it feels very like esolang programming
13:33:40 <ais523> mathematical regex is pretty simple and neat, it has only two operators (which in modern regex syntax are (…|…|…) and *
13:33:59 <Yayimheretoo> I really need to progrm in more esolangs but im struggling to find one I have the will to challenge myself with
13:34:14 <Yayimheretoo> ais523: i was reffering to the extended regex normally used in python and whatnot
13:34:23 <ais523> the problem is that practical regexes want a lot more features than that, e.g. [a-z] is easier to write than (a|b|c|d|e|f|g|h|i|j|k|l|m|n|o|p|q|r|s|t|u|v|w|x|y|z)
13:34:45 <ais523> so people kept on adding features and tried to come up with syntax for them that wouldn't break too many existing regexes
13:35:09 <ais523> early regex syntax is even weirder, e.g. + was originally written as \+
13:35:31 <ais523> at some point people realised it made more sense to have backslash-punctuation always be literal, and use bare punctuation marks for new operators
13:36:04 <ais523> but, that had the problem that they didn't disallow the use of bare punctuation marks to match themselves, so then adding any new operators as punctuation marks would break the existing regexes
13:36:20 <ais523> no, \ was only added to the *new* operators, old operators like * didn't use it and \* would be a literal *
13:36:44 <ais523> that said, I think (…) was written as \(…\) once too
13:37:36 <ais523> anyway, having used up pretty much all the possible encodings already, newer operators had to do weird things in order to be backwards compatible
13:37:57 <ais523> in particular, most new operators start (? which is invalid in old-fashioned regex because ? is supposed to be preceded by something
13:38:26 <ais523> (?:…) for suppressing capturing may originally have been an accident that caught on
13:38:46 <ais523> the syntax is more general than that, e.g. (?i:…) means "… but case-insensitive"
13:39:10 <ais523> but someone must have realised that you could put no modifiers between the ? and : in order to get a non-capturing group
13:40:23 <Yayimheretoo> i assume a non capturing group js functions like brackets?
13:40:35 <ais523> it's purely for grouping
13:41:07 <ais523> whereas (…) without the ?: is also for grouping, but also most regex runners have a way to tell you what was captured by the first, second, third, etc. (…) group in the regex (so that you can use it as a sort of simple parser
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13:41:44 <ais523> remembering what was matched can be slow in some languages, so the ?: is used as an optimization to tell the regex runner that it doesn't need to remember
13:42:44 <Yayimheretoo> also, js a random thought but how would like flat regex look like? because like regex is flat-nested IIRC
13:49:13 <ais523> I think it's no longer FSM-complete if you do that
13:49:34 <ais523> e.g. I don't think there's a way to flatten (x(a|b)*|x(c|d)*)*
13:49:53 <Yayimheretoo> I wonder what comp class it is though, flat regex
13:50:18 <Yayimheretoo> and the other way around, exclusively nested regex(i.e no concats)
13:50:47 <ais523> strangely, the current version of regex, which does control flow entirely with balanced parentheses, is actually really inefficient for some things
13:50:58 <ais523> it's FSM-complete but the programs are sometimes extremely long, even for simple state machines
13:51:07 <ais523> it would be much more efficient if it had a goto statement
13:53:04 <Yayimheretoo> n m -> a b (probably with different syntax, but goto n if a matches, m if b matches)
13:56:26 <ais523> some regex syntaxes added function calls (which makes them PDAs rather than finite state machines), and you can use those to emulate gotos by doing tailcalls
13:56:42 <ais523> and as a result of that, there wasn't historically a need to add in actual gotos as well, so they didn't have their own syntax
13:57:04 <Yayimheretoo> i assume it stays equally powerful with goto added?
13:57:56 <ais523> in terms of computational class, at least (some programs get a lot easier to write)
13:58:39 <Yayimheretoo> it must be the same otherwise too right? like only goto. no bracketw
13:59:07 <ais523> if you have only goto and no brackets then you basically just have a syntax for a nondeterministic finite state machine
13:59:29 <ais523> although you need to implement | somehow, typically by allowing it to goto any of multiple plaes
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14:29:56 <Yayimheretoo> also, I have been thinking of this concept, which I find quite interesting
14:30:27 <Yayimheretoo> so i was working on a GPL just because, and needed a way to store like values globally without needing like...
14:30:48 <Yayimheretoo> (I like most things to be able to be placed in an expression if one so wishes)
14:30:51 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191319&oldid=190998 * Miui * (+115) added pseudonaturals sections
14:31:53 <Yayimheretoo> and i endedd up coming up with a global dequeue for that, but to push to that, you need some sort of imperative language, and I ended up with the idea to tie imperative programs onto functional values(i.e constants can have an imperative program tied to it)
14:32:48 <Yayimheretoo> and because the imperative programs controls the queue in which values are stored, it ends up with the weird symmetry in which imperative programs are objects in functional programs, and functional programs are objects in imperative ones!
14:33:20 <ais523> I've seen similar-shaped patterns in other contexts
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14:34:25 <ais523> you can create coroutines using continuations, where a coroutine yields by converting itself into a continuation and then passing it somewhere
14:34:43 <ais523> in that situation, two coroutines can effectively each store the other
14:34:54 <ais523> (the one that is running stores the one that is not running)
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14:35:21 <Yayimheretoo> it would as such be impossible to run them both at once?
14:35:41 <ais523> with this implementation of coroutines, yes
14:36:08 <ais523> there are implementations that can run two coroutines at once but they are written differently (but running coroutines concurrently but not in parallel is more common)
14:37:01 <ais523> there's also an implementation of B-trees I was working on recently, and just (while writing this sentence) realised was effectively equivalent to the pointer-reversal algorithm for traversing a tree without auxiliary storage
14:37:18 <Yayimheretoo> I feel like that continuation coroutine "duality" might be possible to create in smth like an imperative functional duality language(as described above) in itself?
14:37:33 <Yayimheretoo> ais523: I'll have to google B-trees but sounds cool
14:38:14 <ais523> I wanted to write an implementation of B-trees in safe Rust, and in Rust each object is supposed to have only a single owner (and although it's not quite the case that an object can only reference things it owns, most of the exceptions aren't usable in this case)
14:38:42 <ais523> so, while you are not using the B-trees, the root owns the larger branches, which own the slightly smaller branches, etc. which own the leaves
14:39:31 <ais523> but, while using the trees, say you are looking at a particular branch but want to be able to backtrack, that branch has to have a backreference to the branch nearer to the root, which (in this case) means it has to own it
14:39:47 <ais523> so, as you move around the tree, the ownership direction gets reversed so that it always points away from the part you are currently looking at
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15:08:12 <korvo> int-e (also ais523): Yes, [[Eselang]] is racist. In general, appropriation of Latino gang culture is not great, since it simultaneously demeans Hispanic folk as gang-oriented while also glorifying gang violence. Similar concerns for [[Ganglang]], which appropriates African-American gang culture.
15:09:27 <ais523> so the problem here is to either figure out an existing rule that allows deleting it, or decide that we allowed deleting this sort of thing as an unstated rule all along and it had just never come up before
15:10:40 <Yayimheretoo> I think not-racism is a pretty simple rule that could be justified as unstated
15:10:47 <korvo> The underlying memes are popular in the USA and, when espoused by actual gang members, are usually given a pass. First example that comes to mind is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_in_the_Brain which opens with a spoken line, "Who you trying to get crazy with, ese? Don't you know I'm loco?"
15:11:11 <korvo> You don't need a rule or to delete it. Much more important is to understand the underlying racism.
15:11:31 <korvo> Moderator doesn't delete a bad page? Whatever, happens. Moderator doesn't understand USA racial dynamics? That could be a problem.
15:11:56 <ais523> well, the problem is more that Miui probably doesn't understand the racial dynamics
15:12:55 <korvo> Racism is correlated with low IQ, brain damage, lack of education, cognitohazardous toxins, etc. Do not expect the typical racist contributor to understand why they are problematic.
15:13:49 <ais523> I hate that all the higher-up admins seem to have vanished
15:14:31 <korvo> I continue to think it's hilarious that I'm here, able to to admin tasks, and clearly not trustworthy to be granted admin. I know that the problem isn't a lack of people with admin powers.
15:14:37 <ais523> I've sort-of been left in the position of being a dictator by default, when there are plenty of things that I'm not really qualified to deal with
15:15:16 <ais523> for me the hard part isn't doing the tasks but trying to work out whether I should be doing them
15:15:46 <ais523> for pretty much the site's entire history we've had a "when in doubt just close your browser" rule, which is easy to follow, but has left it a bit undermoderated in the case where the only active admin isn't sure
15:16:53 <ais523> something like https://esolangs.org/wiki/VALGOL is clearly discriminatory / parodying a particular culture in an unkind way
15:17:03 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: I bet you've heard of lead, at least. Not good for neurons. In Miui's case, I think it's lack of education, possibly combined with a language barrier and lots of chatbot usage.
15:17:36 <Yayimheretoo> korvo: I mean I have heard of lead being bad for brains but not the racism correlation
15:17:51 <ais523> I'd be interested in korvo's opinion on whether VALGOL is also a problem (the language, and/or the page about it)
15:18:07 <korvo> ais523: But valley-girl speech isn't associated with a historically-oppressed culture. Moreover, today's racists do not institute anti-valley-girl policies. As a capstone, I've never heard anybody suggest that valley girls are non-human.
15:19:01 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: Oh, yeah. Several right-wing beliefs are associated with cognitive impairment. We can sometimes see this happen in real time; in the USA, a senator named Fetterman who was center-left had a stroke, took some brain damage, and shifted dramatically to the right.
15:20:33 <korvo> ais523: I guess it's worth highlighting that racism is bad not because it discriminates (although it does), not because it's scientifically wrong (although that's true too), but because it results in gross human-rights violations. This isn't a matter of hurt feelings, and indeed I really don't care about peoples' feelings when it comes to racism.
15:21:15 <korvo> I don't think Miui literally draws a line from [[eselang]] to ICE dragging people from their homes, but I certainly perceive how it contributes.
15:21:34 <ais523> I guess it might just be a matter of degree: racism and accentism have both historically lead to discrimination and human-rights violations, but one much more so than the others
15:23:56 <korvo> Meh. I think "accentism" that isn't based in racial animus is a bit of an eye-roll. I do recognize that the UK, having hundreds of local accents, might take it more seriously; however, outside the UK, the fact that RP's rhotic sound is so vacant as to be regularly hallucinated makes it difficult for me to embrace that way of complaining.
15:25:31 <ais523> a quick search about it turned up https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55069048 which is about discrimination based on accents in France
15:27:26 <ais523> korvo: trying to understand your opinions in detail: would you consider something that was racist against hispanic people (in the US) to be equally problematic, or less problematic but still problematic?
15:27:58 <korvo> Sure. It happens in the USA too, as news broadcasting standardized on a single accent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_American_English However, it's not a protected trait; instead, we treat it as an instance of ableism, act as if the offender were attacking a speech pathology, and appeal to the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).
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15:28:57 <korvo> ais523: More problematic, TBH. Somebody who discriminates against Southern twangs is being a rude dick; somebody who discriminates against Hispanic accents is committing a hate crime and requires some sort of immediate attitude adjustment.
15:29:12 <ais523> korvo: I meant, compared to discrimination against african-americans
15:29:19 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191327&oldid=191322 * PrySigneToFry * (+16)
15:30:00 <ais523> my view is along the lines of "both should be equally unacceptable today, but one has caused more damage historically than the other", so I was wondering whether you cared more about the current situation or the history
15:30:05 <korvo> Oh, I don't do oppression olympics. I don't rank racist acts; that's for a judge to do during a criminal trial. Rather, I try to eject racists, and the willingness to offer them a second chance at redemption is the only thing that scales with severity.
15:32:41 <ais523> in terms of the page you're discussing, I think that any racism is of the dogwhistle sort (i.e. it will only be perceived as racist by people who already know that it is racist), in particular there is nothing that can be determined to be racist without outside context
15:33:08 <ais523> I don't currently have that context and suspect that Miui doesn't either
15:33:23 <Yayimheretoo> also Korvo, I know this is kinda irrelevant to the conversation but wanted to say ive been thinking more of the comment you made when we talked about FWODT, that TC languages are created when sloving real problems. ANd recently my langs have been a lot more inspired by real life habits and such. So thanks for the advice.
15:33:38 <ais523> I think it is not unreasonable to have a rule about deleting this sort of thing, although it would be very hard to enforce in practice
15:35:01 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: That's great to hear.
15:35:19 <Yayimheretoo> ais523: perhaps its best to leave it there so people atleast know its probably not the best idea
15:35:52 <Yayimheretoo> looking at it from an "its art" perspective it therefore also means a lot more for my life since its abstractions of real experiences
15:36:09 <ais523> Yayimheretoo: the problem is that dogwhistles can nonetheless have a major impact on people who know what they mean (which is why it can be beneficial to not learn what they are, so that you don't get affected by them)
15:36:29 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191328 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+4100) Created page with " This is a (non-exhaustive) listing of the [[constant language]]s on this wiki, including QuineAvoiding() and QuineInvoking() languages. == ConstantLanguage() == {| class = "wikitable sortable" ! Language !! Aut
15:36:31 <korvo> ais523: Sure, no worries. The general pattern is that administration/management really only do something about racism when there's no longer any plausible ability to deny the presence of racist memes, at which point properly ejecting the racist becomes a huge drama-filled hassle. At the same time, it seems that there's no better thing folks can do than cry Cassandra and point out the structural issues and history.
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15:37:16 <esolangs> [[FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191330&oldid=191170 * PrySigneToFry * (+93)
15:37:31 <ais523> korvo: the other general pattern is that someone who is not actually a racist gets ejected from a community because they are incorrectly suspected of being a racist, which also becomes a huge drama-filled hassle (and potentially a lawsuit for libel)
15:38:11 <ais523> for things like dogwhistles that are often posted intentionally and can plausibly be posted by mistake, this becomes an extremely difficult moderation problem
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15:39:15 <korvo> Example? I suppose that that happens occasionally, but I haven't seen it. (I have seen *other* accusations do that, though, and agree that in those other situations, prudence is necessary.)
15:39:18 <ais523> wait, how can a constant language be uncomputable, is it outputting an uncomputable constant?
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15:39:55 <Yayimheretoo> is there an abbreviation for smth like to mmy knowledge
15:40:03 <ais523> korvo: gah, I'm not sure i have a good example to hand, and may be muddling up various discriminations (especially as many people who discriminate against one thing often also discriminate against other things)
15:40:17 <ais523> Yayimheretoo: AFAIK = "as far as I know" is the most common, I think
15:40:23 <korvo> The traditional one is "AFAIK", "as far as I know", but there's others. "TMK" would be fine if you use it a lot.
15:40:32 <ais523> the nice thing about abbreviations is that you can just start using them and people will catch on eventually
15:40:56 <ais523> I think I have seen TMK before, although it takes me a bit longer to work out
15:41:01 <Yayimheretoo> funny thing is I used TMI like once bit then was like oh wait...
15:41:18 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191332&oldid=191331 * PrySigneToFry * (+66)
15:41:26 <ais523> ah yes, it is a constant language outputting Chaitin's constant
15:42:03 <ais523> I was reacting to an edit summary posted by esolangs
15:42:04 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191333&oldid=191332 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) Alphabetical order, non-alphanumeric then numeric then alphabetical
15:47:37 <korvo> ais523: No worries. Anyway, I don't think any action needs to be taken. I am kind of surprised that Miui is tolerated as a contributor, but I'm also kind of surprised that I'm tolerated as a contributor, so whatever.
15:48:20 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191334&oldid=191333 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+93) /* ConstantLanguage() */ XKCD random number has "corresponds to ConstantLanguage(4)" on there so why not put that here?
15:49:57 <ais523> the problem from my point of view is trying to determine a) to what *extent* to deal with what Miui is doing, b) how many other pages would need to be deleted as a consequence (for consistency), and c) how much damage would be done as a result
15:50:23 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191335&oldid=191334 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+49) since XKCD Random Number is here, then anything that corresponds to a constant language will be put here too
15:50:41 <ais523> "art that resembles a language specification" has a very long history on the wiki, even though I'm not completely sure it's ontopic
15:50:46 <ais523> and is found in other lists of esolangs too
15:51:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191336 * Dragoneater67 * (+267) Created page with "this probably should be merged into [[Constant language]] at some point, similar to [[Trivial brainfuck substitution]] --~~~~"
15:51:25 <Yayimheretoo> ais523: this is relevant to what conversation? (just to clarify im ever so confused)
15:51:29 <ais523> TURKEY BOMB is a classic (https://catseye.tc/view/specs-on-spec/turkey-bomb/turkey-bomb.markdown), and it's on the catseye list which mostly consists of serious esolangs
15:51:52 <ais523> Yayimheretoo: it was a response to "I am kind of surprised that Miui is tolerated as a contributor"
15:52:19 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191337&oldid=191336 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+570)
15:52:59 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191338&oldid=191337 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) formatting
15:53:40 <ais523> korvo: in any case, one of the big motivations for the topicality survey/discussion was to try to figure out what to do about Miui's pages
15:53:46 <ais523> but I didn't get enough input to really make decisions
15:54:29 <korvo> ais523: Just like with exercise, sometimes a muscle group needs to start with the easiest exercises that have the simplest motions. There are already pages on the wiki which are already in defiance of policy; for example, some users have more than one personal sandbox page.
15:55:02 <ais523> korvo: were you here for the sandbox wars?
15:55:18 <korvo> I don't remember. I do recall writing the current sandbox policy.
15:55:31 <korvo> I guess if I don't remember it then the answer is "no"~
15:55:51 <ais523> almost certainly, I think if you were here at the time you would have remembered it
15:56:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:FlamePL/Python Interpreter]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191339 * I am islptng * (+130) Created page with "DID YOU JUST WROTE THIS YOURSELF?!!! ~~~~"
15:57:04 <Yayimheretoo> I feel like I was at some sort of weird re-startofthefire situation
15:57:09 <ais523> historically, the policy page acted more as a list of observations on how the admins had been observed to act than as a prescriptive guide for admins to follow
15:57:45 <ais523> this made it fairly easy for me to admin things, as I didn't really have to set a policy, just follow what the other admins were doing
15:58:04 <ais523> the "no new categories without discussion" rule came about when someone got unilaterally banned by the old site owner for creating year categories
15:58:25 <ais523> and was intended to protect other people from the same thing happening to them
15:58:41 <Yayimheretoo> which was strange, almost simulacra esque because I had no idea what the original. point was only what it resulted in(which in my case was vandalism of pages)
15:58:41 <ais523> (they were unbanned after a while, but the rule turned out to be a really good one so we kept it)
16:01:16 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: This is a perennial issue in computing. New students only see the computer's surface, its HCI and UX, and only maybe connect it to various models of computation. The abstractions that a student learns are the newest, easiest, most powerful ones, rather than the ones that were used to build the computer in the first place.
16:02:46 <korvo> In terms of simulacra, there's the additional problem that a computer is always a simulator; the physical reality of a computer is totally disconnected from the simulated behaviors which we perceive inside it. Like, a solid-state computer's physical reality is that the power supply's capacitors will kill you if improperly discharged!
16:02:49 <ais523> I suspect most programmers don't know what most of the levels of abstraction are
16:02:55 <Yayimheretoo> korvo: funny you say that(I think you perhaps have misunderstood what my original message was about, it was about the sandbox wars and what not, but interesting nonetheless), our school teacher has begun doing literally the oppesite in maths, he is going from the basics of "we have a point. Thats an abstraction from this. But how do I describe this
16:02:55 <Yayimheretoo> other thing(a line). Well, let build that from a point!" type shit
16:03:42 <ais523> korvo: do they really not have resistors (or some other discharge mechanism) that ensure that they get safely discharged when there is no power to the system?
16:03:59 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: Fun! FWIW that's a historical tradition that goes back to some ancient Greek named Euclid. They wrote a book called Elements. About a century ago, a German named Hilbert wrote down an upgraded version but it's not as common.
16:04:10 <ais523> two lines define a point, two points define a li,en
16:04:13 <ais523> * two points define a line
16:04:39 <ais523> I forget what the third and fourth rules are, but they're pretty natural
16:04:44 <korvo> It turns out that the two-dimensional plane is *very* complicated to define axiomatically; we intuitively know that it's a flat smooth 2D thing, but that's about it.
16:04:48 <ais523> the fifth is the famous one because it's much more complicated than the others
16:04:53 <Yayimheretoo> korvo: yea it is fun! I have heard about elements a bit but never read it
16:05:20 <Yayimheretoo> ais523: isn't the fifth one the one that got us non euclidean geometry cuz somebody was like "what if I just change this a bit" lmao
16:05:37 <ais523> Yayimheretoo: it's because people didn't like how complicated it was so they hoped to prove things without it
16:06:10 <Yayimheretoo> also, im probably drawing parallels that dont exist, but lines can define points, points can define lines, and two coroutines can also store each other, which feel like the same kind of weird self referentialism kinda thing
16:06:37 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: The kind of construction in Elements is called "compass and straight edge". I'm terrible at them but I have a phone game that lets me practice. I think it's called "Euclidea"? The ancients hoped that this sort of thing was universal, and it wasn't until Gauss that we started to have serious proofs that some stuff isn't constructible with compass and straight edge alone.
16:07:20 <Yayimheretoo> korvo: also heard of that! could you technically not call that a computational class, all shapes which are constructible using those two?
16:07:36 <ais523> korvo: isn't it something like "to construct a regular polygon, the number of sides must be a power of 2 times the product of a set of distinct Fermat primes"
16:07:47 <ais523> Yayimheretoo: it's a class but I'm not sure it's a computational class
16:07:56 <ais523> it might be a constructibility class, or something like that
16:08:10 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: Instead of self-referentiality, think about *duality*. Two points define a line. Two lines, if they intersect, define a point. What if lines *always* intersect? Then we could imagine that there's a way to turn points into lines, and lines into points. You can search "projective geometry" for more, but be warned that it'll spoil your class.
16:08:34 <korvo> ais523: Something like that. And IIRC we don't know if there's finitely many Fermat primes yet?
16:08:51 <Yayimheretoo> korvo: ive spoiled many of my classes already just by being here
16:09:00 <ais523> korvo: we don't know for certain but it's widely suspected that 65537 is the last one
16:09:09 <Yayimheretoo> like I already know a line is constructed via points ect., its just fun seeing it outside of Esolangs
16:09:22 <Yayimheretoo> where, weirdly enough I have a lot of knowledge from lmao
16:09:45 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: So the way that we measure constructibility is kind of weird at first, but maybe it'll be insightful. Elements is all about using compass and straight edge to *transfer measurements* from one stone to another. Like, if you're a stone cutter and you want to make a lot of identical stones, how do you copy marks from one place to another?
16:10:05 <ais523> this is interesting because the most common algorithm for multiplying really big numbers quickly naturally wants to depend on Fermat primes, but 65537 isn't big enough, so it has to be fudged around to relax some of the constraints
16:10:29 <Yayimheretoo> korvo: note that when ais brought up the coroutine storing each other we were talking about duality, just forgot the word lmao
16:10:32 <ais523> the normal fudge is to use Fermat *numbers* without requiring them to be prime, but then one of the steps in the algorithm processes a lot less data than it's supposed to
16:10:36 <korvo> The compass and straight edge, as well as alterations like the rusty compass which can't change or the copying compass which can be fixed to measure the distance between two points, are examples of real stone-cutting techniques.
16:10:48 <Yayimheretoo> might try to pull on that thread at sum point to see if anythings there
16:10:58 <Yayimheretoo> anyways ill look into projective geometry sounds fun
16:11:05 <ais523> korvo: one thing I like is that you can do some otherwise impossbile constructions by using the compass and straightedge in ways that aren't allowed by the usual theorems
16:11:49 <ais523> e.g. I think there's an algorithm for trisection which relies on jamming the compass next to the straightedge and moving them around until the two compass points are on two lines and the straightedge also passes through a given point
16:12:09 <ais523> this is something you can physically do with a compass and straightedge but is totally not allowed by the traditional rules
16:12:55 <ais523> (to clarify, the compass is right next to the straightedge so that its two points are also points on the straightedge)
16:12:59 <Yayimheretoo> is there a good way to define what you can do physicallly with the two objects in rules or will the physical fuckery of objects always evade rulles
16:13:02 <korvo> ais523: Yeah, I remember the last time I found Fermat numbers and mistakenly thought that they were Fermat primes. Maybe Fermat himself also suffered this! https://math.stackexchange.com/q/2184444/425071 is the version I asked to an audience.
16:13:33 <ais523> Yayimheretoo: probably not, especially given that there are likely a variety of different ways to manufacture compasses
16:13:55 <ais523> the technique I specified is probably possible with any compass, but I would expect there to be lots of more compass-specific things you can do
16:14:24 <Yayimheretoo> I mean you could probably make a blender physics simulation and use whatever it allows as the ruleset but that seems very complicated
16:14:25 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: Great question! You've hit upon the central question here. So, if we talk about two fixed points that are given to us, and assign the distance between them 1, then what other real numbers can we construct? For example, we can build a square with those points as sides, so we can make √2 and 1/√2.
16:15:05 <ais523> what's the number you have to construct to square the circle? pi?
16:15:30 <ais523> probably sqrt(pi), thinking about it, but they're both likely to be equally impossible
16:15:43 <korvo> ais523: Yes! Trisection is practically possible and the stone-cutters worked around it easily. Probably the entire reason that graded turns (degrees, grads, etc.) arose was to make those practical; Babylonians had the advantage that 360 was already a nice number for them.
16:16:32 <Yayimheretoo> reminds me I made a 420 joke in class and nobody got it lol
16:16:44 <Yayimheretoo> (we were working with it as a number in some equations)
16:17:04 <Yayimheretoo> and I couldn't stop saying it in English for whatever reason after I made the joke
16:18:44 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: Anyway, your more general question leads into physics. We have a bunch of really good idealizations for this, but we think that it's always going to be computationally expensive to simulate physics. Like, exponentially more expensive than just doing the physics experiment directly.
16:19:31 <ais523> for my A levels (exams done at 18) I wrote a quantum computer simulator (on a normal computer), it was exponentially slow for complexity class reasons
16:19:32 <Yayimheretoo> and thats why movies should do their explosions IRL, much less computationally expensive!!
16:19:51 <ais523> and did the usual hello world thing of factorizing 15
16:20:00 <ais523> I think so, I can't remember much of the details any more though
16:20:03 <korvo> Oh, it gets so much worse. Everything so far has been classical, but there's also quantum computers. Classical computers probably need exponential time to simulate quantum mechanics, but quantum computers can simulate quantum mechanics with only a polynomial slowdown.
16:20:21 <ais523> korvo: but they don't give you the probabilities, just one outcome
16:20:31 <korvo> ais523: Ha, that must have been frustrating to debug.
16:20:39 <Yayimheretoo> korvo: I mean siulating the thing your built upon probably is a little easier to an extent lol
16:21:02 <ais523> korvo: I meant, my simulation gave the whole probability distribution of possible outcomes, but if you run on an actual quantum computer, you only get one outcome at random
16:21:12 <ais523> so the simulation is "more useful" in a sense
16:21:13 <korvo> ais523: Right, Hardy and Holevo leave no room between them. All that computational power, most of which is provably inaccessible.
16:21:46 <korvo> ais523: Oh! Yeah, that makes sense. The composite object would be exponentially large, though, right? So you'd still have to expend the storage for it.
16:21:49 <Yayimheretoo> quantum computer simulating quantum computer simulating...
16:22:18 <ais523> korvo: I think you probably need exponential storage (and definitely need exponential time)
16:22:27 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: They already do that. A single logical qubit is implemented as multiple physical qubits. The reason is that it's easier to error-correct a composite object.
16:22:29 <ais523> actually, from a theoretical computer science point of view, I think the really hard question is why computers obey causality
16:22:53 <ais523> formalizations of programming seem to naturally end up not obeying causality and you have to sort-of force it into the formalizations in a hacky way
16:23:08 <Yayimheretoo> one thing I like about this channel is I can pose smth s a joke and it will be taken as a serious concept to some extent
16:23:10 <ais523> (by "not obey causality" I mean that an event can cause itself)
16:23:44 <Yayimheretoo> was that not like an issue with feather if I understodd
16:23:48 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: Think of it as more like amplification than simulation, when we do it that way. Same idea with solid-state electronics: if I put more copper into a wire, making it thicker and bulkier, I'm not changing the digital logic of whether it's low- or high-voltage; instead, I'm changing how reliably it conducts that voltage (and also the minimum voltage required to do useful stuff).
16:24:47 <ais523> Yayimheretoo: Feather is a bit more complicated because of the use of multiple timelines, there's an unresolved question about whether an event in one timeline can cause the same event in a different timeline but it becomes hard to even define what "same event" means
16:24:58 <korvo> ais523: So, there's a really basic answer, which is that BQP and PostBQP are distinct classes. However, I feel like that's a sort of Aaronson-tier answer that is technically correct (the quantum computer exits at the edge where we measure everything) but fails to do anything metaphysical for us.
16:25:47 <korvo> Reminded of the cult classic film Primer, where time travel is only possible between two endpoints, between which the traveler bounces multiple times, before exiting at one of the endpoints. (Trust me, this is *not* spoilers. Best low-budget geek film you'll ever watch.)
16:25:51 <Yayimheretoo> ais523: isn't that fundamentally an issue with causality to an extent
16:26:17 <ais523> on the LLVM code forge at the moment, there is a debate going on about how noalias (which specifies that parts of memory that are accessed by a given pointer won't be read by other pointers within a certain timeframe, unless all accesses are reads) interacts with spurious reads
16:27:01 <ais523> err, not spurious, I meant speculative
16:27:35 <Yayimheretoo> also, this just came to my head, isn't APL kinda a pidgin to some extent a bit mmaybe? like a programming pidgin.
16:27:54 <ais523> the problem is, the obviously correct behavior is "if a speculative read happens while the memory is locked down by noalias, it reads some value but you can't actually make use of that value without causing undefined behavior" – LLVM calls this situation a poison value
16:28:25 <ais523> the problem is, the noalias lock only happens once the pointer with noalias on it actually accesses the memory, so whether the speculative read reads a normal value or poison depends on events that happen in the future
16:28:45 <ais523> this can totally lead to causality loops, I've been trying to argue that despite this it is nonetheless the correct implementation
16:31:28 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: It might look like it, but APL was actually developed by a mathematician to communicate mathematical ideas on a blackboard to other mathematicians. If you want to do linguistic analysis, a better approach is to think of it as a constructed creole; APL is a conlang, like most proglangs.
16:31:53 <Yayimheretoo> I must have mis understood your previous telling of the story
16:32:13 <Yayimheretoo> which I remembered as people notating to each other and slowly standardizing among each other
16:32:17 <ais523> korvo: I'm wondering how many accidentally created programming languages there are
16:32:27 <Yayimheretoo> reminds me I actually was inventing one in class
16:32:36 <ais523> programming language type systems sometimes are, but I think nowadays those are recognised as programming languages and intentionally created as such
16:32:53 <Yayimheretoo> a flowchart kinda languagge for solving for values n shit
16:33:05 <Yayimheretoo> I cant run, the languages will always catch me
16:33:18 <esolangs> [[Tonk]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191340 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+9652) I'm not proud of it, but I guess this should be out here in case someone interested finds this project.
16:33:32 <ais523> there's that case a while back where someone figured out a Turing-complete-except-that-memory-is-bounded construction using the MMU, in which it would trigger a series of page faults as a consequence of other page faults forever and that could do computation
16:33:39 <korvo> ais523: I would think that the type of values would include a possibly-poison value, which is dynamic and residualized, as well as a definitely-poison value, which is static and results in DCE or compiler error. But that might be two-level type theory whispering at me.
16:33:54 <ais523> and the various card games that turned out to be Turing-complete
16:34:38 <ais523> korvo: I proposed basically that, although expressed more simply by using mathematical nondeterminism
16:34:51 <ais523> (i.e. you evaluate both possibilities and choose one that doesn't later lead to a contradiction)
16:35:08 <ais523> the problem is that a causality loop does not cause a contradiction, so you somehow have to ban those separately
16:35:10 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: Ah, sorry to mislead. The story is that one guy, Iverson, built up APL over a period of three years or so. Then he went to work at IBM, developed it for a couple more years, and published the book "A Programming Language", which is the first time APL got a name.
16:35:37 <korvo> Before that it was just Iverson's array notation that he used in his private notes. So not a pidgin exactly, since it wasn't really being negotiated by other people.
16:35:58 <ais523> having seen quite a few APL derivatives, I've come to the conclusion that regardless of what symbols you use it won't be particularly readable
16:36:08 <Yayimheretoo> if anybody here would wanna participate it could be fun
16:36:48 <Yayimheretoo> like syntax highlighted APL, even if unreadable, looks amazing
16:37:11 <ais523> e.g. APL uses ⌽ for "reverse a list-like thing" but I find Brachylog's ↔ clearer
16:37:22 <ais523> (Brachylog isn't an APL derivative but it has some of the same primitives)
16:38:00 <Yayimheretoo> i funnily enough have a movie of my opinions on these things which ive been working on
16:38:19 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191341&oldid=191329 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+196) /* 2026 - mesmerizer */
16:38:29 <Yayimheretoo> I somehow see logic in ⌽ and it looks nicer I'd say
16:38:59 <ais523> oh, this reminds me, a while ago I was working on an Underload derivative with more commands, but the commands were represented as little pictograms of their effects on the stack
16:39:06 <aadenboy> Yayimheretoo: syntax highlighted APL brings Uiua to mind, a beautiful proglang in that sense imo
16:39:27 <ais523> I should look into Uiua some time, I've seen it mentioned a lot but don't know much about it
16:40:27 <Yayimheretoo> Something about Uiua angered me but I cannot remember what
16:40:51 <esolangs> [[Sm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191342&oldid=56840 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+167) categorization
16:41:14 <esolangs> [[User talk:Aadenboy/xml maybe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191343&oldid=191255 * Aadenboy * (+461)
16:42:22 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/bondbondbondbondbond]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191344&oldid=164372 * Aadenboy * (-4)
16:42:42 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191345&oldid=191324 * Miui * (+9) fix link to category:pseudonaturals page
16:42:45 <esolangs> [[Licorne]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191346&oldid=139751 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+97) more categorization
16:44:26 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191347&oldid=191335 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+195) /* ConstantLanguage() */ Oh wow, another constant language! Add Pi(e)
16:46:10 <esolangs> [[Laddermaker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191348&oldid=136495 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+41) unknown computational class?
16:46:51 <esolangs> [[Overshoot Dirac Delta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191349&oldid=191310 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-3035) incomplete so I marked as WIP again my god this is a language a sheller of one
16:47:08 <Yayimheretoo> the website just lost its CSS while I was editing that looks cursed
16:47:34 <esolangs> [[Piko]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191350&oldid=97041 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+168) categorization
16:47:37 <Yayimheretoo> I love and hate this language, cuz again, it takes korvo's advice and is abstracted from smth real, but its weirdly hard to abstract from
16:48:25 <esolangs> [[OTS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191351&oldid=176862 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+68) mark as unknown computational class and unimplemented
16:50:18 <esolangs> [[Overshoot Dirac Delta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191352&oldid=191349 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+6)
16:51:06 <esolangs> [[Try/hello world]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191353&oldid=138291 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+23) categorize as examples
16:52:54 <esolangs> [[User talk:Aadenboy/xml maybe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191354&oldid=191343 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+129)
17:03:57 <Yayimheretoo> gtg now cya'll it was fun seeing ais again, great discussion. before I go korvo would you wanna see the language I created? the one which really took your message of taking it from a real problem or thing to heart?
17:06:23 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191355&oldid=191347 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+740) /* QuineAvoiding() */ self-insert
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17:09:57 <korvo> Yayimheretoo: I do want to see it, but I can't give you my attention right now. There's a neighborhood cat emergency.
17:10:20 <Yayimheretoo> korvo: makes sense, not fully documented anyways
17:10:31 <Yayimheretoo> hopefully the emmergency doesn't escalate toooo hard
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17:11:00 <esolangs> [[Deadgirlfriend]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191357&oldid=180573 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+49) categorize as pseudonatural and thematic
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17:40:08 <korvo> Cat is fine. Cat wants to live in neighbor's backyard, despite neighbor's protests. Will take cat to vet on Monday.
17:40:25 <korvo> It is, of course, not my cat.
17:41:09 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191358&oldid=191345 * Miui * (+94) /* add a works in progress section */
17:41:40 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191359&oldid=191358 * Miui * (+0) fix link
17:45:35 <esolangs> [[Function key + Page Up/Down]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191360 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+2725) another counter machine ^v^
17:46:28 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191361&oldid=191341 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+148) /* 2026 - mesmerizer */ add Function key + Page Up/Down
17:46:47 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191362&oldid=191361 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) /* my esolangs */ update count
17:48:34 <esolangs> [[Function key + Page Up/Down]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191363&oldid=191360 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+33) /* Invoke undefined behavior */
17:49:24 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191364&oldid=191362 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) /* my esolangs */ off by two
17:53:23 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191365&oldid=191338 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+534) what would happen if a new one appeared after a hypothetical merge
17:53:53 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191366&oldid=185659 * Miui * (+25) /* :P */
17:56:10 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191367&oldid=191364 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+288) /* my esolangs */ add the constant languages
18:10:42 <esolangs> [[Segmentation fault]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191368&oldid=164012 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+97) /* C */ Much shorter interpreter
18:16:28 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191369&oldid=191355 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1430) add more constant langages
18:18:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191370&oldid=191365 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+953) stupid question
18:19:02 <esolangs> [[FloppaML]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191371 * Mrtli08 * (+1068) Created page with "FloppaML is... well, a markup language. === Commands === ( and ) can be replaced with "( and "), # will be replaced with "#, ; is "; "" is ", { and } is "{ and "} <code>hello;</code> writes "hello" onto the screen. <br> <code>(hello(x));</code> writes hello onto the
18:20:30 <esolangs> [[Frog (ChuckEsoteric08)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191372 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+905) Created page with "'''Frog''' is a counter-based esolang created by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] without conditional instructions ==Specification== It has unbounded amount of possible counters storing nonnegative integers infinite in size, which names are alphanumeric st
18:20:51 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191373&oldid=191193 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+11) /* 2026 */
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18:22:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:Frog (ChuckEsoteric08)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191375 * Mrtli08 * (+107) Created page with "got x86 vibes from this --~~~~"
18:42:59 <esolangs> [[Frog (ChuckEsoteric08)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191376&oldid=191372 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+1) /* Specification */ fix typo
18:49:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:Function key + Page Up/Down]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191377&oldid=191374 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+761)
18:53:07 <esolangs> [[Function key + Page Up/Down]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191378&oldid=191363 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-4) /* Syntax */ fix mistake
18:53:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Function key + Page Up/Down]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191379&oldid=191377 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+542) /* Control + Page down and Control + Page Up do the same thing */
18:54:13 <esolangs> [[Frog (ChuckEsoteric08)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191380&oldid=191376 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+46) cat
18:55:35 <esolangs> [[Function key + Page Up/Down]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191381&oldid=191378 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+8) /* Invoke undefined behavior */ emphasis
19:00:01 <esolangs> [[FloppaML]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191382&oldid=191371 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+205) cat
19:01:20 <esolangs> [[Frog (ChuckEsoteric08)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191383&oldid=191380 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+19) add missing cat
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19:02:17 <esolangs> [[FloppaML]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191384&oldid=191382 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) "Markup Languages" got renamed to "Markup languages"
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19:06:05 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191386&oldid=191385 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+954)
19:08:38 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191387&oldid=191366 * Ais523 * (-41) rv addition of two languages which, as far as I can tell from their articles, are nowhere near Turing-complete (indeed, one of the articles about the languages claims that all programs in the language are trivial quines, which would necessarily exclude it from t
19:08:57 <esolangs> [[Frog (ChuckEsoteric08)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191388&oldid=191383 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+40) Forgot to add arguments
19:09:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191389&oldid=191386 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+680) What do we do about their implementations?
19:12:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191390&oldid=191389 * Ais523 * (+373) a table with short-format links
19:12:19 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191391&oldid=191369 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+74) anyone can add constant languages here
19:13:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191392&oldid=191059 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+377) /* Frog TC proof */ new section
19:15:12 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191393&oldid=191390 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+493) would the links point to an article here like "Constant language/Nope. implementations" or an external pastebin?
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19:16:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191394&oldid=191392 * Ais523 * (+616) /* Frog TC proof */ thoughts
19:19:01 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191395&oldid=191393 * Ais523 * (+485) normally external hosting is preferred, although the wiki is usable to some extent
19:20:29 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191396&oldid=191394 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+264) /* Frog TC proof */
19:22:10 <esolangs> [[Frog (ChuckEsoteric08)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191397&oldid=191388 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+79)
19:22:19 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191398&oldid=191359 * Miui * (+17) /* semi-serious */ not entirely sure i understand but nevertheless
19:23:27 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191399&oldid=191396 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+32) /* Frog TC proof */
19:28:30 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191400&oldid=191399 * Ais523 * (+1428) /* Frog TC proof */ this is TC, a sketch of what the proof would look like
19:45:13 <esolangs> [[QuineAvoiding("", "")]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191401 * Miui * (+2608) Created page with "'''QuineAvoiding("", "")''' is a quine-avoiding constant language QuineAvoiding("", ""), inspired by chinese characters. Its purpose is print "Chinese characters" in Chinese without allowing a quine. ==Syntax== If the program is exactly "" (without the quot
19:53:35 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191402&oldid=191398 * Miui * (-8) bruh whotf said esolangs are easy im still salty abut that
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20:14:41 <esolangs> [[Template talk:QACL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191406 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+607) Created page with "Would it be a good idea to have the quotes built into the template? Because there are some rare cases where, for example, we want <code>QuineAvoiding("1", Pi to 5 trillion decimal places)</code> to have the second part not be wrapped in quotes so i
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20:15:48 <esolangs> [[QuineAvoiding("", "")]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191408&oldid=191405 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+34) fix redlink
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20:18:12 <esolangs> [[QuineAvoiding("", "")]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191411&oldid=191408 * Miui * (+153) Add logo and external resources
21:02:33 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191412&oldid=191237 * Hammy * (+532) im back
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22:02:37 <zzo38> Are there .NET executables with a DOS stub that allows the program to work in DOS (e.g. by calling another program that implements .NET or including its own implementation)?
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22:27:54 <b_jonas> ais523: for the deadfish-like, I think you may be on to something with reversing the bits to manipulate a deque. you can multiply or divide the number with small non-power-of-two numbers (say 3) that's observable on both ends, add and subtract that's observable only just one end. but we need a bit more to allow universal control flow.
22:29:01 <ais523> zzo38: that's an amazing question, I don't know the answer, but I think Microsoft would be very unlikely to support such a configuration so it would depend on whether an enthusiast had decided to implement that sort of thing for fun
22:29:19 <b_jonas> ais523: I think "mathematical regex has two operators" is misleading. besides alternation and Kleene star, you need concatenation, empty string, single character, and possibly empty language.
22:29:51 <b_jonas> korvo: https://www.euclidthegame.com/ or are you thinking of some other one?
22:30:41 <b_jonas> ais523: I think you got the "five rules" thing wrong, Euclid stated five plus five rules, calling five of them axioms and five of them postulates. of course they're very spotty, the proofs using lots of hidden rules besides these.
22:30:59 <ais523> b_jonas: hmm… concatenation is an invisible operator but empty string and single character are operands, not operators
22:32:21 <b_jonas> I think the postulates are what we would now call axioms, while the axioms are the construction steps which are the operations in the language
22:32:25 <korvo> b_jonas: I think the app I have is https://www.euclidea.xyz/ but I'm not 100% sure.
22:32:29 <b_jonas> let me look up what they were exactly
22:32:41 <korvo> Haven't played it in a while. I'm pretty bad at compass-and-straightedge!
22:35:37 <b_jonas> hmm, maybe that's backwards and the axioms are our axioms
22:35:54 <b_jonas> also, drat, surely these were listed in one of my books which is how I knew about it, why can't I find it
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22:37:14 <MarkFan8901> we specifically got to the point which Yayimheretoo said "I mean siulating the thing your built upon probably is a little easier to an extent lol"
22:37:16 <korvo> AFAICT "axiom" and "postulate" are an example of Greek vs Latin sources. Same word, different source languages.
22:38:02 <korvo> ...But Euclid predates the Hellenistic era, right? So I wonder why translators of Elements use "postulate".
22:38:17 <korvo> MarkFan8901: Go for it! Concomitant chat is allowed here.
22:38:17 <b_jonas> ok, I found them and I'm completely wrong about this
22:38:30 <b_jonas> there's just one set of 5, the postulates and axioms are the same
22:38:58 <MarkFan8901> for future reference that quote is about quantum computers being able to simulate quantum physics with only a polynomial slowdown
22:39:12 <b_jonas> so Euclid's postulates/axioms are (1) through any two points you can construct a line (segment), (2) line segment can be extended arbitrarily on both ends to get a line, (3) for any center point and length you can construct a circle with the distance as radius, (4) all right angles are equal, (5) and the complicated fifth one that distinguishes Euclidean from hyperbolic geometry
22:39:17 <MarkFan8901> in contrast with typical computers, which have an exponential slowdown simulating classical physics
22:40:05 <MarkFan8901> which made us think of a really funny system of computation which was also based on classical physics
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22:40:50 <MarkFan8901> and you could pass through physical simulations to the computer to run natively
22:41:25 <MarkFan8901> we forgot the specific term but we're thinking like how you can interpret lisp code in lisp by just passing it through to the base interpreter
22:42:23 <MarkFan8901> mfw i simulate a nuclear bomb on my computer that works via pass-through interpretation:
22:43:48 <MarkFan8901> you dont have to connect it to any actual physical violence for it to still be racist
22:44:43 <MarkFan8901> and it doesnt have to be malicious for it to still be bad and worthy of deletion
22:45:21 <MarkFan8901> we think thatd not only be much more healthier to enforce, itd also be easier
22:46:56 <MarkFan8901> just assume that deleting a page for racism would knock some sense into someone about what they did, and if it doesnt and they keep doing it/try to defend it then they can get the hammer
22:47:53 <korvo> b_jonas: Right. BTW (5) is actually pretty simple in modern language: two lines, both perpindicular to some third line, never have a point in common. This doesn't help reading Elements but does help with understanding e.g. spherical geometry, where such lines have exactly two points in common IIRC.
22:47:56 <MarkFan8901> like if someone makes an esolang mocking i.e. chilean culture, and the page gets deleted, but they reveal that they are chilean themselves
22:48:47 <MarkFan8901> we'd say that the page should be undeleted in that case cuz that information completely changes the intent of the page
22:49:40 <MarkFan8901> ofc there could be other people who might not know that who look at the page and think its acceptable behavior to just mock other cultures like that, and make pages accordingly
22:49:40 <ais523> korvo: it's exactly one in elliptical geometry; spherical geometry doesn't obey all the first for postulates because it allows two lines to intersect at two points
22:49:54 <ais523> * first four postulates
22:49:58 <korvo> MarkFan8901: Yeah, we try to allow for jokes, including culture-specific stuff. I think that a lot of the translated-Chinese pages are in this situation, for example; some of them were just straight-up translation-party junk (and did get deleted!) but some of them are Chinese folks reacting to English in a way that we aren't entitled to fully understand.
22:50:00 <MarkFan8901> but again we think the 'knock some sense into them' principle should apply when that happens
22:50:50 <korvo> ais523: Ah, that was it. The number of intersections of parallel lines is what classifies them, otherwise? Or maybe that's too limiting of a POV.
22:50:52 <MarkFan8901> korvo: yea we think just a general basis of understanding would be the best way to approach it
22:52:01 <ais523> korvo: so in elliptical geometry, parallel lines don't exist (constructions which in Euclidean geometry would give parallel lines nonetheless create crossing lines in elliptical geometry)
22:52:35 <MarkFan8901> like some air of vulnerability in your decisions, but also like
22:52:41 <ais523> whereas in hyperbolic geometry, parallelness is not transitive (two lines can be non-parallel to another but both parallel to a third) and is not predicted by crossing angles
22:52:50 <MarkFan8901> surely ganglang wasnt made by a black person
22:53:18 <ais523> although I think two lines that are both at right angles to a third line might necessarily be parallel to each other
22:53:22 <b_jonas> korvo: that can't be right, doesn't the fifth Euclidean postulate supposed to distinguish euclidean from hyperbolic space?
22:54:00 <MarkFan8901> hopefully what we've said is good enough and also formal enough for a policy
22:54:06 <ais523> one of the main challenges of navigating hyperbolic space (which I used to do quite a lot while playing computer games) is that directions aren't really definable there
22:54:10 <korvo> ais523: Ah, so in hyperbolic geometry, there's no nice way to reuse Euclid's phrasing with exactly one negation added/removed? So far today I've avoided actually opening the book but I might have to now.
22:54:13 <MarkFan8901> just delete racist pages, if the person who made it keeps being racist ban them
22:54:41 <ais523> MarkFan8901: the problem is more that it's hard to tell whether or not the page is racist without a lot of context
22:55:17 <b_jonas> so now I'll have to think a bit about whether we can make an infinite looping instructions style language with just a deque and instruction pointer and not much more state that's TC and is simpler than what I suggested with a single tape
22:55:22 <MarkFan8901> our thought process is you first delete the page, then ask to make sure that you aren't missing any context
22:55:24 <ais523> and there is the opposite problem of "all gang members are racists" probably not being a true statement, so you end up having to make a ruling on word association and hte like
22:55:36 <MarkFan8901> maybe there's something less severe then page deletion which would allow for this kind of dynamic better
22:55:57 <korvo> b_jonas, ais523: Ah, I've gone and looked it up. Very funny how I was precisely backwards. (5) says that if two lines *aren't* parallel, because a perp between them has an angle defect, then they intersect on the side of the defect.
22:56:05 <b_jonas> I do prefer two queues over a tape if you have arbitrary control flow, and a deque can simulate two queues, but the reduced control flow makes this harder
22:56:28 <MarkFan8901> like we're thinking the crux of this kind of decision would be talking to the person who made it to see their intentions
22:56:39 <ais523> korvo: hmm, isn't that also true in elliptical geometry? has to be an if and only if
22:56:40 <korvo> And hyperbolic geometry does have a clean negation of that: if two lines aren't parallel, then they *don't* necessarily intersect on the side of the defect.
22:56:41 <MarkFan8901> cuz it should be obvious if someone really just is that racist
22:56:53 <MarkFan8901> or if they were just dumb and didnt think of what theyre doing
22:57:08 <MarkFan8901> or if, again, they actually have the right to do what they did
22:57:18 <ais523> MarkFan8901: have you read the page in question?
22:57:55 <MarkFan8901> the discussion was spawned cuz we pointed out how racist it was
22:58:29 <MarkFan8901> ack unrelated our eyes are doing a very weird thing rn (we're on the libera.chat client)
22:58:33 <korvo> ais523: I'm not sure. For spherical geometry, it has to be changed in another way: they intersect on both sides, including the side with the angle surplus. And it sounds like elliptic geometry is another generalization: they intersect on one side, but it could be either side.
22:58:41 <MarkFan8901> whenver we look at a line, it looks like all the lower lines are greyed out
22:58:58 <MarkFan8901> which makes us look at them cuz we think the message is still loading
22:59:01 <ais523> korvo: elliptic geometry loops
22:59:48 <ais523> I can see, e.g., a rule banning pages that celebrate or reference gang culture, which I think would be easier to apply in this situation
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23:00:08 <MarkFan8901> having it exclude gang culture specifically seems way too specific
23:00:23 <MarkFan8901> and would also not really be effective against future cases of racism
23:00:42 <ais523> MarkFan8901: the problem is that it's hard for someone who doesn't know the culture in question to determine whether the article is racist or not
23:01:00 <ais523> like, is this a reference specifically to racist gangs, as opposed to non-racist gangs?
23:01:09 <ais523> or is it referencing gangs in a way that is racist towards the gangs?
23:01:42 <MarkFan8901> cuz the punchline of the page(s) is that its gang talk
23:01:51 <MarkFan8901> that is quite literally the definition of making fun of gang culture
23:02:43 <MarkFan8901> what we've been saying about checking with the person who wrote it to ask about their intent is for future cases of racism
23:03:14 <MarkFan8901> Pretty sure the person who wrote it doesnt know shit about gangs
23:03:37 <ais523> I would be surprised if it were intended as racism (basically because I'd be surprised if anything written by Miui properly reflected Miui's intentions)
23:04:10 <MarkFan8901> this page firmly falls into the 'theyre being dumb and arent aware of why what theyre doing is racist'
23:04:22 <MarkFan8901> which is why we think a delete would knock some sense into them
23:04:37 <korvo> The page was created by Wonkanese, for what it's worth.
23:05:38 <korvo> I think that both of them should be warned. Also SDGL4RNG, who created Satans Disciples GangLang $.
23:06:11 <ais523> this is the sort of situation where I would be happy for one of the other admins to delete it without further discussion but don't feel qualified to make the decision myself
23:06:49 <MarkFan8901> aswell as just 'dont be bigoted' in general
23:07:01 <MarkFan8901> considering we have some queer folk in here too (yayimhere and us)
23:07:15 <korvo> I think that it might be hard to perceive why it's clearly racist from outside the USA. I think it's easy to watch Hollywood media and believe the copaganda.
23:07:35 <ais523> I agree with "don't be racist" but it's hard for someone who doesn't know the culture in question to determine what is and isn't racist
23:07:41 <korvo> Basically, there's statistically no such thing as gangs. Or, rather, the correct name for "gang" over here is "sherriff's department".
23:08:21 <MarkFan8901> ais523: we get the sense they dont know it either
23:08:36 <MarkFan8901> they just compiled a bunch of gang-sounding words into a page for a punchline
23:08:38 <ais523> over here gangs come in a variety of races, some of the gangs are racist, some of them aren't
23:08:58 <korvo> The 1980s portrayal of Mexicans and African-Americans as violent inner-city gang-banging pimps and thugs was (and yes I know how unhinged this sounds) the result of a long-running psyop, jointly between the CIA and the White House, which pushed drugs like crack and marijuana onto redlined populations.
23:09:14 <ais523> there were historically major issues with gangs that identified themselves with particular soccer teams (often without those teams' consent) and would fight gangs that supported other soccer teams
23:09:36 <MarkFan8901> the portrayals were also a part of the psyop?
23:10:06 <korvo> When left to their own devices, Mexican-American neighborhoods have taquerias and African-American neighborhoods close part of the streets for walkability. Also, due to not trusting psyops, they e.g. have worse tree cover and less access to e.g. Internet.
23:10:45 <MarkFan8901> we're gonna be honest we dont know our shit on this as much as we should
23:11:07 <MarkFan8901> we dont think we really have to get into the specifics of different cultures to say eselang is racist though
23:11:19 <b_jonas> ais523: on the B-tree in Rust, what kind of statements would you like to state to the optimizer that you can't currently do? at first I was thinking of some nodes that you access being distinct, but Rust can already express that pretty well with mut references.
23:11:24 <MarkFan8901> we think the main problem right now is ais not feeling comfortable with just deleting the page
23:11:33 <korvo> MarkFan8901: Largely. There have been large organized-crime syndicates, and they have had ethnic components (famously The Combination, also Cosa Nostra), but the reason that people e.g. heard about Tupac's life, threats, and death is because it was a dramatic opportunity for cashing in by retelling the story and reselling the now-martyred music.
23:12:06 <MarkFan8901> wasnt gangster hip hop already popular before that
23:12:09 <ais523> b_jonas: it's mostly that but you can't mix mut references with backreferences
23:12:23 <MarkFan8901> like biggie was big even before he died right
23:12:42 <korvo> Incidentally, Cosa Nostra's part of why Hollywood got to be the way it is. Too many executives are made men, e.g. Irving Azoff. You wanna look at a gangster, look up Phil Spector!
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23:13:21 <ais523> fwiw I don't trust korvo (or indeed most other people) to be 100% accurate on this sort of thing
23:13:40 <MarkFan8901> though you kinda have to accept you won't always be accurate when dealing with racism
23:13:42 <ais523> but I don't know enough about it myself to tell how much is right or wrong
23:14:14 <MarkFan8901> like we feel like you kinda have to make mistakes to learn why theyre mistakes
23:14:38 <MarkFan8901> especially with something like racism, which is a social thing
23:14:57 <korvo> ais523: Fair, but also I live in a multicultural neighborhood and live with folks who suffer daily from racism. My neighbors get pulled over for e.g. driving while black, walking while black, wearing hoodies while black, speaking Spanish, looking Mexican...
23:15:44 <ais523> korvo: oh, racism is definitely still a major problem – the problem is more that it can require a lot of context to determine whether a particular action is racist or not
23:15:45 <MarkFan8901> yea and we'd say we are at least a little more aware of racism than other ppl
23:15:50 <b_jonas> ais523: do you mean you want nodes to store both forward references and backreferences in the nodes in their undisturbed state? and maybe when you traverse you want to be able to assert that the back and forward references are consistent? I don't really see what you can't do by storing only raw pointers in the nodes, and temporarily owning reference the nodes as you touch them
23:16:02 <korvo> MarkFan8901: Yeah, hip hop was popular. But also, the entirety of Billboard has been what we call "payola" or "pay for play" ever since the end of WW2. It's always been steered by a fairly small group of highly opinionated executives, most of whom are not musicians.
23:16:16 <ais523> b_jonas: you can't traverse a backrefefence while the forward reference is mutably borrowed
23:16:22 <ais523> otherwise you're breaking the aliasing rules
23:16:47 <MarkFan8901> though yea korvo we think we should be talking about ais here
23:17:26 <ais523> but also there is a potential use-after-free: if I start at a leaf, and traverse the backreference to the branch, I can then replace the leaf because the branch owns it, and then I have a usable reference to the leaf even though it's now free
23:17:41 <ais523> * ussable reference to the original leaf even though it's since been freed
23:18:01 <ais523> there needs to be more people making decisions, at least
23:18:21 <ais523> actually performing the admin actions is not difficult, working out when it's correct to perform an admin action is much harder
23:19:05 <MarkFan8901> we're not active enough to be one we think
23:19:15 <MarkFan8901> also like we've only been chatting here for like
23:19:49 <korvo> MarkFan8901: I mean, I have no problem being the bad guy. I can leave something on their talk pages like "Hi! We discussed [pages] in IRC. We're concerned that, while these pages are not overtly bigoted, they may spread harmful stereotypes which encourage racist behaviors. As such, we're likely to either heavily revise or delete these pages."
23:20:21 <ais523> it might be worth starting by writing on the discussion page of the pages in question
23:20:33 <korvo> "We are interested in any feedback that you might have, particularly around your intentions when creating [page] as well as how you think we should approach this topic in the future. Thanks!"
23:20:56 <ais523> saying something along the lines of "this page might be unintentionally racist" together with explanations of the context
23:21:05 <korvo> MarkFan8901: Because when telling taggers that they aren't allowed to leave graffiti, the response is rarely a polite agreement to go do something else.
23:21:29 <ais523> that's normally how we do deletion discussions (on the talk page of the pages in question)
23:21:38 <ais523> people sometimes pick them up in recent changes, and sometimes don't
23:21:47 <MarkFan8901> and theres an equal chance that they actually would respond politely
23:22:31 <MarkFan8901> MarkFan8901: taggers typically know why theyre doing what they do
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23:22:42 <korvo> ais523: Okay, that's a fair plan. Shall I?
23:23:04 <ais523> korvo: I don't think you need my permission, although I do think it's a good recommendation
23:23:15 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Stratification]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191414 * Miui * (+8386) cheating on my homework
23:23:44 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191415&oldid=191402 * Miui * (+31) /* miscellany */
23:23:44 <MarkFan8901> we should probably reiterate, it doesnt *need* to promote violent behavior for it to be bad
23:24:07 <MarkFan8901> the premise is just mean spirited and we think that makes it unsavory enough for deletion
23:25:01 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/Collapsing Building]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191416&oldid=168789 * Aadenboy * (+24) minor context
23:25:04 <MarkFan8901> actually we forgot if we already said that or not
23:25:33 <korvo> MarkFan8901: I agree! FWIW I use a very expansive definition of racism; a belief is racist if it's entailed from the belief that there's more than one human race. I'm something of an anti-chauvinist, though, and I know that most folks care about racist actions instead.
23:26:33 <MarkFan8901> what we're saying is that what they did is also a racist action and doesnt need the "it can lead to worse" reasoning
23:27:04 <MarkFan8901> like you dont need to connect it to more obvious acts of racism to call it bad
23:27:27 <ais523> hmm, that user subpage that Miui just posted – I don't think it's a traditional copyright violation but it may well be LLM-generated
23:27:57 <ais523> korvo: I hope you don't try to generalise that definition to sexism :-D
23:28:05 <korvo> It's definitely generated. At least they self-tagged it. I don't think that they understand that, under the topicality proposal, this sort of page is completely unacceptable.
23:28:22 <korvo> ais523: Sexism is anything entailed from the belief that there are only two gender scripts.
23:29:10 <ais523> huh, an opposite definition, although there's a clear parallel
23:29:10 <korvo> Hilariously, not limited to human gender scripts; people are sexist about animals, plants, inanimate objects.
23:29:46 <MarkFan8901> yea sexism is similarly stating some inherent irreconcileable split between groups of people
23:30:09 <MarkFan8901> and secondary/tertiary things can intuitively be implied to be parts of 'different' groups
23:30:42 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191417&oldid=191215 * Aadenboy * (-31) /* my own esolangs */ revising tags
23:30:47 <MarkFan8901> the concept of irreconcileable differences is actually just our broader definition of bigotry
23:30:50 <korvo> ais523: Both racism and sexism think that the clade of humans has some extremely fine structure to it. It does have some temporal structure, but mostly it has the structure of a clade, and to be crude, the definition of a clade is the double-negation that one cannot copulate their way out of a clade.
23:31:08 <MarkFan8901> its useful cuz you can also apply it to non-structural things
23:31:45 <korvo> MarkFan8901: This reminds me of an essay I haven't finished writing. I define a first-order bigot as somebody who classifies humanity into classes, a second-order bigot as somebody who can recognize first-order bigotry and thus classify first-order bigots, ...
23:32:12 <ais523> korvo: I think your definition of racism has false negatives (e.g. at some points in history, parts of the US imposed literacy requirements for voting, this had racist motivations despite not clearly being directly connected to the existence of multiple races)
23:33:39 <MarkFan8901> "literacy requirements" specifically meant "you have to pass a literacy test before voting" which meant you had to be educated to vote
23:34:03 <korvo> ais523: "literacy" tests did not test literacy, FWIW. I think that if you were to look at such a test, you might start to consider that they were designed to be impossible to pass.
23:34:06 <MarkFan8901> which meant freed slaves typically couldnt cuz they didnt have access to education
23:34:33 <korvo> To allow white voting, people could be "grandfathered" into the voter roll: if your grandfather could vote then you could vote too.
23:34:59 <MarkFan8901> if you actually look at some of those tests they have questions which had two valid answers
23:35:07 <MarkFan8901> but also they had a rule saying you could only put one
23:35:09 <korvo> It's really hard to deny that this was structurally racist when taken in toto. I agree that it doesn't *look* racist, but also that's like the MO of racists for centuries.
23:35:16 <MarkFan8901> so if a black person put one they could say 'wrong it was the other one'
23:36:11 <ais523> I'm actually mildly amazed that they came up with a scheme that was that easy to prove malicious, when a more deniable scheme would likely have been sufficiently effective
23:36:43 <korvo> Another example of this is "Jewish problems", which are math problems on Russian exams that were designed to exclude Jews from higher education. On the surface, of course Jews were allowed in Russian university! But under the hood, structurally racist.
23:36:49 <MarkFan8901> pretending their obvious racism is actually progressive
23:38:12 <MarkFan8901> uh anyways could we go back to talking abt the esolang wiki
23:38:26 <MarkFan8901> specifically miuis stuff and also the lack of ppl moderating the wiki
23:42:41 <MarkFan8901> uh yeah maybe we should think about getting some more people who can admin the wiki actively
23:43:00 <ais523> we need more people who can decision-make, at least
23:43:23 <MarkFan8901> we dont consider the other ppl with admin roles actual admins cuz they dont do anything
23:43:51 <ais523> one of them turned up after a few years of admin-inactivity and deleted an unapproved category, then disappeared again
23:43:52 <MarkFan8901> they just* have have* have have the admin roles
23:44:10 <MarkFan8901> they they* just* have have* have have the admin roles
23:44:37 <fungot> MarkFan8901: how about sisc?) if i'm not mistaken, sarahbot randomly selects one of the people that can fnord paper ( although i think it's the same
23:45:14 <MarkFan8901> ais523: can yall find ppl who can fnord paper
23:47:43 <korvo> Adding more decision-makers to a delayed decision isn't going to deliver it faster. It's literally Brooks' law.
23:48:22 <MarkFan8901> we'd hope we could find an admin who wouldnt hesitate to delete shit like ganglang
23:48:50 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Stratification]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191418&oldid=191414 * Miui * (+3426) add some stuff (Blake, I. F. and Kolesnikov, V. (2004). "Strong Conditional Oblivious Transfer and Computing on Intervals". In P. J. Lee (ed.), Advances in Cryptology ASIACRYPT 2004, LNCS 3329, pp. 515529. Springer-Verlag.)
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23:50:06 <ais523> korvo: this made me realise there's an obvious counterexample to brooks' law (the case where the project is late and currently has 0 developers)
23:51:04 <ais523> I guess it might not be that obvious because I hadn't noticed it at all (but it's obviously a counterexample once one becomes aware of the possibility)
23:51:18 <b_jonas> has any of you happened to have figured out how Digi-comp 1 works? I've been looking at the manual but I find it kind of boring and written in a style that's hard to understand. I'm pretty sure it's not very interesting as a computational model, because it has no indirect addressing of any sort, the code can only access specific bits at constant address of the memory. But I'd still like to know the
23:51:25 <korvo> Brooks' Law is a specialization of Conway's Law. It's tighter than you'd think. For example, if there's zero developers, then there's no system whatsoever, because otherwise some subsystem would be mapped to no developer whatsoever.
23:51:25 <b_jonas> details of what exactly it can do with those bits, to figure out from the rules how powerful it is. And it's historically interesting just because it's so old.
23:52:20 <MarkFan8901> korvo: what are the assumptions underlying this 'law'
23:52:47 <ais523> korvo: what if there are currently zero developers, but were more in the past?
23:53:04 <korvo> b_jonas: From what I saw in the video, it looked like there's six actions, which are maybe setting each register to 0/1 respectively? And it also looked like the actions could be triggered by each register being 0 or 1. The video's suggestion that it can represent some non-constant loops seemed reasonable.
23:53:09 <ais523> (some context: I strongly disagree with korvo's beliefs about what Conway's Law says)
23:53:36 <korvo> MarkFan8901: That the system has human authors.
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23:56:07 <MarkFan9801> korvo: we mean like the nature of what 'systems' and 'actions' are
23:56:20 <b_jonas> I think each iteration computes some kind of binary function on its state bits and that function is programmable but has very few levels of depth, but I'd like to know what kind of expressions they are. korvo: the manual just doesn't seem to match what I gathered from the video, and the video was vague. In particular the manual tells that the program consists of both "logic rods" and "clock rods", which
23:56:26 <b_jonas> are two kinds of plastic tubes, one placed on the front side of the machine and one on the back side, while from the video it seemed like there was only one kind
23:56:28 <MarkFan9801> and like if theres the assumption that humans will always do what they need to
23:56:48 <MarkFan9801> and if they always need to discuss things before making any decision
23:57:46 <MarkFan9801> cuz our logic is that if ais doesnt feel comfortable deleting the page, and wants to be able to hand it off to someone who does, then there should be a person like that
23:58:00 <korvo> b_jonas: Maybe the one kind of tube has two functions, depending on which side it was plugged into? I'm gonna have to rewatch it.
23:58:00 <ais523> I consider Conway's Law to be primarily an analog statement: there is a correlation between how closely the authors of two parts of a program cooperated when writing them, and how tightly coupled together those parts of the program are
23:58:39 <ais523> MarkFan9801: think of it this way: at wikis, it is very rare for an admin to delete a page without a proper discussion unless it unambiguously breaks the rules
23:58:55 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191421&oldid=191415 * I am islptng * (-845) You're not allowed to use my work lol. I hate you.
23:59:27 <ais523> "don't be racist" is a rule that I am comfortable with implying into the current rules (even though it isn't explicitly listed), but it can be very hard to determine whether or not a given page is actually racist, and thus it needs a discussion to establish that
00:00:06 <MarkFan9801> we knew the first part, though we're only just now catching on to the discussion part
00:00:08 <korvo> ais523: So, the full answer is actually in the first part of that big ramble about power relations. Just that part: let the spacetime events of interest (like now and the past) be nodes in a partial order, and annotate each event with the authors of the system at the time of each event. Then Conway's Law says that everything commutes.
00:00:27 <korvo> In your example, we get triangles that relate the current system, the past system, and the past authors.
00:01:36 <b_jonas> korvo: I think it's two different kinds of tubes with different thickness, but that's not really important. I currently suspect that one of the rods test registers and possibly aggregate tests into a temporary condition that doesn't survive the clock cycle, then the other kind of rods set or clear the persistent variables if one of those temporary conditions is true, and the persistent variables behave
00:01:42 <b_jonas> like flip-flops that keep their state when not touched
00:01:55 <ais523> I am not convinced that it's possible to apply category theory to human interactions and get reliable results – it's a very general theory but it isn't *that* general
00:01:57 <b_jonas> but this still isn't a full enough spec, I want to know what the tests can do
00:02:39 <MarkFan9801> we're not convinced outside logic can really do this either
00:03:04 <MarkFan9801> cuz we fundamentally dont believe in attempts to try and 'extract' human behavior
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00:03:16 <ais523> also I think the Conway's Law correlation goes both ways (e.g. if you have a program that can reasonably be implemented using two parts that are very loosely coupled, and have two developers who can work on it, it makes a lot of sense to assign one developer to each part to save on context-switching overhead)
00:03:18 <korvo> ais523: Then you'd hate some side research I'm doing, where I'm trying to understand a particular military truism: the deployed military always carries with it a structure of humans which mirrors the society that is paying for it. This is an extremely Conway-coded observation IMO.
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00:04:47 <MarkFan9801> how the hell do you keep track of whose 'paying' for the military
00:04:51 <ais523> korvo: I don't think that's explainable by communication restrictions, though
00:05:09 <MarkFan9801> enough to say that they *always* mirror each other
00:05:53 <MarkFan9801> our most charitable interpretation of this is that both groups are people who otherwise support the military
00:06:08 <MarkFan9801> and obviously ppl who are on the ground battling are a part of that group
00:06:23 <korvo> MarkFan9801: They tend to wear their logos on their sleeves like racecar drivers. Anyway, this isn't about today's military, although e.g. it's interesting how McDonald's and Amazon are available at USA military bases abroad. It's more like how merchants and cooks walked alongside ancient armies.
00:06:56 <korvo> ais523: Right. Instead, the mediating forces between humans are bundles of responsibilities: who does what, who is accountable for what, who authors what, etc.
00:07:35 <ais523> korvo: cooks being alongside armies is not a reflection of society, rather it's a consequence of armies needing food to operate correctly
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00:08:09 <ais523> I guess you can argue that if a society has discovered that having separate cooks is more efficient than everyone doing its own cooking, they are likely to reflect that in their military
00:08:12 <korvo> ais523: Sure. Similarly, cooks being alongside e.g. construction workers is not a reflection of society?
00:08:24 <ais523> but in fact, I think militaries are more likely to have dedicated cooks than the general population is
00:09:30 <ais523> I would suspect there to be plenty of societies where it's usual for families to prepare their own food, but for militaries to have specific people who are dedicated to food production and handle almost all of it
00:09:52 <korvo> Militaries where people are used to cooking for themselves tend to have foraging instead; everybody gets a small amount of standard grain and salt, but the rest has to be pillaged or gathered or self-provided. Maybe purchased from merchants. Other militaries had dedicated cooks and food sources. There's a big tradeoff in range and agility, since militaries can't operate without supply lines of some sort.
00:10:40 <ais523> korvo: I don't agree with that, plenty of modern-day societies have people who are used to cooking for themselves, hardly any modern-day militaries forage outside emergency situations
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00:13:03 <korvo> Sure. "modern" is a funny word here; military science has the idea of the "Modern System", where individual militants are empowered to make low-level tactical decisions without full instructions from the top. The communication structure itself has become more flexible over time.
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01:17:40 <b_jonas> aadenboy: no, there's almost two whole more days, it's one of the long months
01:18:17 <aadenboy> 29th is close enough to the end for me
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04:13:40 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191457&oldid=191327 * None1 * (+17) /* T */
04:14:36 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191458&oldid=191115 * None1 * (+68)
04:15:39 <esolangs> [[Turtlefuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191459&oldid=191455 * None1 * (+1660) /* Examples */
04:19:18 <esolangs> [[9 trits, 19683 trytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191460&oldid=191432 * I am islptng * (+63) This action doesn't mean anything. Let it be there. Do not mention my works again.
04:20:12 <esolangs> [[Turtlefuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191461&oldid=191459 * None1 * (+8) /* Python */
04:20:57 <esolangs> [[Turtlefuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191462&oldid=191461 * None1 * (+50) /* Examples */
04:33:47 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191463&oldid=191425 * Miui * (-41) change my command
04:34:51 <esolangs> [[Usernames]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191464&oldid=191463 * Miui * (+45) find another way to approximate Pi
04:35:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * None1 * uploaded "[[File:Turtlefuck square.png]]"
04:36:04 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * None1 * uploaded "[[File:Turtlefuck circle.png]]"
04:36:44 <esolangs> [[Turtlefuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191467&oldid=191462 * None1 * (+62) /* Examples */
04:37:09 <esolangs> [[Turtlefuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191468&oldid=191467 * None1 * (+7) /* Draw a square */
04:37:20 <esolangs> [[Turtlefuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191469&oldid=191468 * None1 * (+6) /* Draw a circle */
04:37:53 <esolangs> [[Turtlefuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191470&oldid=191469 * None1 * (+47) /* Implementations */ See also
04:41:17 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck extensions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191471&oldid=149107 * None1 * (+49)
04:46:40 <esolangs> [[Turtlefuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191472&oldid=191470 * None1 * (-2) /* Python */
04:49:46 <esolangs> [[Albuquerque challenge upgraded]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191473&oldid=191453 * I am islptng * (-211)
04:54:43 <esolangs> [[Turtlefuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191474&oldid=191472 * None1 * (-3) /* Commands */
05:06:16 <esolangs> [[+-)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191475&oldid=169775 * None1 * (+2) /* Calcuate 65 */
05:16:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191476 * PrySigneToFry * (+1) Created page with "?"
05:21:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191477&oldid=191476 * Miui * (-1) Blanked the page
05:22:38 <esolangs> [[Jail system makes no sense]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191478&oldid=182644 * None1 * (-2399) Replaced content with "{{delete|Unrelated to esolangs}}"
05:23:19 <esolangs> [[Jail system is Turing-complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191479&oldid=132495 * None1 * (-725) Replaced content with "{{delete|Unrelated to esolangs}}"
05:27:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191480&oldid=191400 * None1 * (+515) /* Page deletion requests */ new section
05:55:24 <esolangs> [[FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191481&oldid=191330 * PrySigneToFry * (+980)
05:59:30 <esolangs> [[FlamePL/Python Interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191482&oldid=191168 * PrySigneToFry * (+8614)
06:01:48 <esolangs> [[Talk:FlamePL/Python Interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191483&oldid=191429 * PrySigneToFry * (+24)
06:16:43 <esolangs> [[Overshoot Dirac Delta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191484&oldid=191352 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1273)
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06:20:58 <Yayimheretoo> also heres the lang I talked about before I left yesterday: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Overshoot_Dirac_Delta
06:22:08 <esolangs> [[Copyright makes no sense]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191485&oldid=182645 * Hakerh400 * (-12742) After a thorough internal discussion, we have decided to remove this article. Our reasoning is that the article in its current form has no practical or artistic value, does not provide enough new information to inspire or enlighten readers, and creates confu
06:22:58 <esolangs> [[Copyright makes no sense]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191486&oldid=191485 * Corbin * (+12742) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/191485|191485]] by [[Special:Contributions/Hakerh400|Hakerh400]] ([[User talk:Hakerh400|talk]]): Sorry, this is still gut-bustingly funny.
06:23:36 <korvo> Not pleased with myself. I burned a fascist, but I was messy and aggressive about it. They got spooked and started deleting evidence.
06:23:49 <korvo> I happened to be here and it happens to still be a funny page.
06:24:18 <korvo> Anyway, fascist got burnt, which is great, and their project (neovim) is now dragged into the sunlight, but I'm rightfully being blamed for making this harder than it had to be.
06:25:19 <esolangs> [[User:Hakerh400/Angel problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191487&oldid=189290 * Hakerh400 * (+818) /* Alternative formulations */
06:25:31 <Yayimheretoo> also I swear Hakerh400 has to be a shared project. They exclusively use we for themselves
06:25:51 <korvo> Justin M. Keyes, see https://programming.dev/post/55693999 for lots of discussion.
06:26:03 <korvo> Meh, some people are plural, let them use whatever pronouns they like.
06:27:16 <Yayimheretoo> (im not saying somebody cant use we, it just really seems like it for whatever reason)
06:27:30 <Yayimheretoo> (ah wait, "internal discussion" refers to the talk page! well great)
06:27:43 <korvo> Anyway, it sounds like you're having fun learning about audio engineering.
06:28:16 <Yayimheretoo> it actually wasn't that it was inspired by, funnily enough
06:29:16 <Yayimheretoo> it comes from a habit of mine, in which I'll imagine a drum pattern in my head, and then count that pattern on my fingers(i.e the number of transients, wrapping around when I read the end of amount of fingers), and got curious on some things
06:31:32 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191488&oldid=190772 * Hakerh400 * (+933) /* Interactive theorem provers */ New theorem prover idea
06:33:01 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191489&oldid=191488 * Hakerh400 * (+0) /* Interactive theorem provers */ Typo
06:43:07 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191490&oldid=191387 * None1 * (+15) /* R */
06:47:34 <esolangs> [[Vines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191491&oldid=191443 * AeroPurple * (+206) More interesting quirks to keep in mind
06:49:36 <esolangs> [[Vines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191492&oldid=191491 * AeroPurple * (+140) /* Checking if a bit is set */ Clarification on the budding scaffolding
06:51:25 <esolangs> [[Vines]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191493&oldid=191492 * AeroPurple * (+17) /* Checking if a bit is set */ More comments
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06:54:15 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191495&oldid=190987 * Marcus 2n2 * (+9) /* Esolangs (in case you are too lazy to go to my home page) */
07:03:36 <esolangs> [[User talk:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191496&oldid=189240 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+383)
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08:03:01 <esolangs> [[Drawfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191498&oldid=175556 * None1 * (+45)
08:03:19 <esolangs> [[Turtlefuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191499&oldid=191474 * None1 * (+15) /* See also */
08:07:36 <esolangs> [[TurtleScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191500&oldid=185988 * None1 * (+32) /* See Also */
08:22:00 <esolangs> [[Talk:Turtlefuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191501 * Blashyrkh * (+126) Created page with "New challenge - graphical quine, eh? --~~~~"
08:57:29 <esolangs> [[Turtlefuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191502&oldid=191499 * PkmnQ * (+0) /* Commands */ % -> s
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09:23:55 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191504&oldid=191458 * None1 * (+25)
09:35:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:Turtlefuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191505&oldid=191501 * Mrtli08 * (+70)
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10:02:45 <esolangs> [[Pi(e)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191507&oldid=136295 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+63) Tag as a CL (Constant language)
10:03:57 <esolangs> [[Chomp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191508&oldid=109086 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+93) categorization
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10:07:21 <esolangs> [[KofThatChickonBonkHeadAndEatITAfterDinnerWithTHeKids0rElseWEwIllDiE,S0PleseDoITForUSWhiLeWestillAreALIVEPLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191509&oldid=163095 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+134) categorization, plus joke languages still belong in Category:Languages if they "resemble" a language, esoteric or not. w
10:08:20 <MarkFan8901> hold on wait another thing about that edit
10:08:49 <MarkFan8901> "plus joke languages still belong in Category:Languages if they "resemble" a language, esoteric or not."
10:09:01 <MarkFan8901> wouldnt that fill the Category:Languages with joke langs
10:09:01 <Guest82> yeah idk what i meant by that sorry
10:09:29 <Guest82> i guess that means if a joke language still has some qualities of a language, like commands, which [i'm not gonna type all of that] does have
10:09:32 <Guest82> so it can still do some computation
10:10:02 <esolangs> [[Cav]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191510&oldid=151076 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+98) categorization
10:10:03 <MarkFan8901> if joke langs deserve the Category:Languages category then you wouldnt be able to sort serious languages by it
10:10:23 <MarkFan8901> and there'd have to be a Category:Non-joke Languages or something
10:11:28 <Guest82> i guess the line is kinda thin because joke languages are still languages in the sense that they are (at least most of the time) but you'd also want to be able to sift through non-joke languages only
10:12:21 <MarkFan8901> theres still the word 'language' in 'joke language'
10:12:37 <MarkFan8901> being a joke doesnt deprive a lang of being usable
10:12:46 <MarkFan8901> perhaps that is what Category:Unusable for programming is for
10:13:37 <Guest82> Some joke languages like two i made are usable for programming, but i still made them as a joke
10:13:56 <Guest82> *to some extent, they don't have to be TC but they were made as jokes
10:14:06 <Guest82> But still usable to some extent
10:14:09 <MarkFan8901> ya such as how a serious language doesnt have to be tc to be a real language
10:15:08 <MarkFan8901> also we actually just went through the talk page for [[Copyright makes no sense]]
10:15:15 <Guest82> I guess this would mean we need a more strict definition of what a "joke" language is, because creating an entirely new category is kind of crazy
10:15:51 <MarkFan8901> we think having a joke lang just be a language made with the intention of a joke works well enough already
10:15:54 <esolangs> [[CATASTROPHICA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191511&oldid=162035 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+86) categorization
10:16:20 <MarkFan8901> if you wanna filter by joke langs which you could use, you could just search for Category:Joke Languages -Category:Unusable for programming
10:16:31 <MarkFan8901> or however you write out omitting a certain category in wiki talk
10:17:18 <MarkFan8901> MarkFan8901: holy shit they really tried using logic to try and counter that page
10:17:50 <MarkFan8901> like its so dumb BECAUSE its applying strict formulaic logic to an obviously political issue
10:18:04 <MarkFan8901> also because its so off topic to esolanging
10:18:15 <MarkFan8901> like its so easy to refute if you just dont give a fuck about what theyre actually saying
10:22:17 <esolangs> [[Gloosh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191512&oldid=182216 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+158) categorization and formatting, mark as stub
10:24:52 <MarkFan8901> we'll log off for now but we'll still be paying attention to the juicy fash bash story korvo apparently has
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10:33:21 <esolangs> [[Sigma Cortex]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191514 * Hakerh400 * (+2707) +[[Sigma Cortex]]
10:34:02 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191515&oldid=191457 * Hakerh400 * (+19) +[[Sigma Cortex]]
10:34:20 <esolangs> [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191516&oldid=190919 * Hakerh400 * (+19) +[[Sigma Cortex]]
10:34:30 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191517&oldid=191513 * Cordership * (+148) /* Inheritance and polymorphism: */
10:35:14 <esolangs> [[Sigma Cortex]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191518&oldid=191514 * Hakerh400 * (-4)
10:35:16 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191519&oldid=191517 * Cordership * (+56) /* Syntax */
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10:40:45 <esolangs> [[Sigma Cortex]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191521&oldid=191520 * Hakerh400 * (-91)
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10:43:03 <esolangs> [[Listfunc]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191522&oldid=118905 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+98) categorization
10:44:26 <esolangs> [[KickMe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191523&oldid=40567 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+10) Tag stub
10:46:37 <esolangs> [[LambdaWreck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191524&oldid=172036 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+109) categorization
10:52:52 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191525&oldid=191367 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+182) /* sino ba ako */
10:54:02 <esolangs> [[Sigma Cortex]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191526&oldid=191521 * Hakerh400 * (+1)
11:00:13 <esolangs> [[Tonk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191527&oldid=191340 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+591) /* Implementing */ I mean, you could just use the game server and rework it into a zero-player game, the main difficulty is making it in another language other than JavaScript.
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11:05:55 <esolangs> [[Tonk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191528&oldid=191527 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+644) /* Team players */ "Human" players have smarter AI than AI players
11:06:53 <esolangs> [[Tonk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191529&oldid=191528 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+116) clarify that this is more like a zero-player game than a programming language
11:15:36 <esolangs> [[Tonk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191530&oldid=191529 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+971) /* Map */
11:16:26 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191531&oldid=190401 * Cordership * (+48) /* Links */
11:18:28 <esolangs> [[Tonk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191532&oldid=191530 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+191) /* Team players */ Clarify the long removed AI name
11:18:54 <esolangs> [[Tonk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191533&oldid=191532 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+44) add notes/references section
11:20:45 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191534&oldid=191519 * Cordership * (+107) /* Syntax */
11:52:38 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Jail system makes no sense]]": offtopic
11:54:15 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Jail system is Turing-complete]]": this isn't a description of an esolang
11:54:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:MY E KEY BROKE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191535&oldid=191317 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+644) my e key un-broke
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12:04:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:Copyright makes no sense]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191536&oldid=182629 * Ais523 * (+433) I think this is offtopic
12:06:26 <esolangs> [[SStak]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191537 * AlessandroMarp * (+4103) Created page with ":''Not to be confused with [[SStack]].'' '''SStak''' is a stack-based [[:Category:Languages|programming language]] created by Alessandro Marpino in 2026. It is interpreted, uses reverse Polish notation, and was written as a first exercise in language design. The r
12:10:01 <esolangs> [[Recursive sleeping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191538&oldid=126572 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+141) categorization
12:11:53 <esolangs> [[InfuckBra]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191539&oldid=149224 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+145) categorization
12:13:27 <esolangs> [[Stack whack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191540&oldid=159911 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+68) categorization
12:27:26 <esolangs> [[XPML17]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191541&oldid=76548 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+2078) categorization and add some details. Also, the refimpl is a dead link :C
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12:49:45 <b_jonas> fizzie: other people's similar experience to the high pointless traffic that the esowiki gets: https://people.kernel.org/monsieuricon/creepy-crawlies
12:53:57 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191542&oldid=191391 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+2129) Add implementations column
12:55:07 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191543&oldid=191542 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) /* ConstantLanguage() */ fix mistake
12:59:09 <int-e> Hmm. Shallow clones are costly? Interesting.
12:59:44 <int-e> But yeah, lots of parallels to find.
13:04:17 <esolangs> [[User:I am islptng/Draft]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191544&oldid=171076 * I am islptng * (+2053)
13:04:29 <int-e> well, maybe that's not surprising: git and mediawiki both are version control systems :)
13:05:17 <fizzie> Interesting to learn that Anubis doesn't work that well any more, though.
13:06:06 <int-e> both fundamentally, but also: residential proxies means you don't necessarily even pay for the compute
13:10:13 <b_jonas> that is a charitable way to call it
13:13:30 <int-e> The distinction to a bot is that the owner agreed (with varying degrees of dark patterns in the process). IIUC one form of these is people selling free internet; you get a router, they pay for your internet plan, but the router also acts as an intermediate (see me not calling it a proxy ;-) ) for third parties...
13:14:21 <int-e> That said, botnets are probably in the mix too.
13:15:02 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191545&oldid=191195 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+414)
13:15:50 <int-e> b_jonas: not that the distinction really matters to the crawlees.
13:32:17 <esolangs> [[MY E KEY BROKE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191546&oldid=191313 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+127)
13:36:35 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191547&oldid=191543 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-119) /* ConstantLanguage() */ not the same output you stupid, how can you possibly think that
13:42:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:MY E KEY BROKE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191548&oldid=191535 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+218)
13:42:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:MY E KEY BROKE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191549&oldid=191548 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+1)
13:43:52 <b_jonas> the situation is quite sad. if you had asked me four years ago, I would have told you that more people should download entire websites into local archives, even private ones that they don't redistricute. now I got that wish granted but in a really unhelpful way. and on some websites (not on the esowiki or kernel.org ), the gates that the websites put up make it hard for me to download their data.
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13:51:53 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191550&oldid=191431 * Miui * (+845) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/191421|191421]] by [[Special:Contributions/I am islptng|I am islptng]] ([[User talk:I am islptng|talk]])
13:54:23 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191551 * Miui * (+671)
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13:54:52 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191552&oldid=191550 * Miui * (+13) /* Constant languages */
13:55:53 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191553 * Miui * (+664) Nah.
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13:56:37 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191554&oldid=191552 * Miui * (+10) /* Constant languages */ '''Nah.''' is the [[constant language]] {{CL|"Nah."}}. You can code anything you would like, but the language will neither compile nor process it. This unfortunately means that Nah.
13:57:30 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191555&oldid=191547 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+69) /* ConstantLanguage() */ Add [[Nah.]]
13:57:43 <esolangs> [[Nuclear launch detected.]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191556 * Miui * (+724) Nuclear launch detected.
13:57:43 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191557&oldid=191555 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1)
13:58:02 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191558&oldid=191554 * Miui * (+30) /* Constant languages */ Nuclear_launch_detected.
13:58:53 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191559&oldid=191557 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+110) /* ConstantLanguage() */ Add [[Nuclear launch detected.]]
14:00:09 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191560&oldid=191558 * Miui * (+70) /* actually hilarious */ Kia_SorrentoLX_with_no_power-steering_evading_police_in_reverse
14:01:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191561&oldid=191395 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+241)
14:02:26 <esolangs> [[lang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191562&oldid=163968 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+1) /* Interpeters */ fix typo
14:03:39 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191563&oldid=191561 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+544)
14:04:28 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191564&oldid=191559 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+74) /* ConstantLanguage() */ Add
14:05:47 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191565&oldid=191564 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+14) /* ConstantLanguage() */ where did I get that conclusion?
14:06:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:SStak]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191566 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+243) Created page with "i think that its possible to abuse functions to do control flow :-) --~~~~"
14:07:41 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191567&oldid=191565 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-14) I guess this is correct (also my left arrow key is stuck like the e key was)
14:08:09 <esolangs> [[SStak]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191568&oldid=191537 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-2) /* Overview */ fix format
14:08:27 <esolangs> [[SStak]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191569&oldid=191568 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-2) /* Overview */ why
14:09:10 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191570&oldid=191560 * I am islptng * (-64) Alright, if you really want that, i've fixed it.
14:12:16 <esolangs> [[Template:QACL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191571&oldid=191404 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-4) remove quotes since there can be cases such as QuineAvoiding("1", 500 trillion digits of sqrt(2))
14:12:40 <esolangs> [[No.pe.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191572&oldid=177487 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-20) use QACL template
14:13:06 <esolangs> [[QuineAvoiding("", "")]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191573&oldid=191411 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+4) add the quotes back
14:15:03 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191574&oldid=191570 * Miui * (+17) /* Works in progress */ Miui's 2026
14:15:30 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191575&oldid=191567 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+93) /* QuineAvoiding() */ Add [[No.pe.]]
14:19:36 <ais523> b_jonas: kernel.org said that the officially supported way to download their data is via a git clone (and that most things available via the website have corresponding git repositories)
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14:20:43 <ais523> fwiw, I'm surprised that people haven't more widely adopted the strategy of switching from https to http in order to reduce server load: most publicly visible pages don't actually need https and it adds a lot of overhead
14:21:16 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191576&oldid=191545 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+733) /* Features */
14:21:20 <ais523> (and I consider it a bad allocation of resources for every website on the planet to need to protect people from their own ISP, which is the only threat model that https seems to reliably prevent)
14:21:46 <ais523> …there are a lot of dodgy ISPs out there, though
14:22:38 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191577&oldid=191525 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+77) /* 2026 - mesmerizer */
14:23:25 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191578&oldid=191575 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+48) /* QuineAvoiding() */ [[No.pe.]] has interpreters there
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15:00:09 <esolangs> [[Segmentation fault]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191580&oldid=191368 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+384) /* Implementation */ C++ has a handful of these.
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15:23:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191583&oldid=191582 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+353)
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15:51:45 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191586&oldid=191417 * Aadenboy * (+10) /* my own esolangs */
15:52:39 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191587 * Corbin * (+120) Created page with "What was the motivation for this article? ~~~~"
15:53:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:Eselangs]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191588 * Corbin * (+195) Created page with "We have discussed on IRC whether pages espousing latent racism are on-topic for the wiki. This page may be in scope. ~~~~"
15:54:08 <esolangs> [[Talk:GangLang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191589 * Corbin * (+195) Created page with "We have discussed on IRC whether pages espousing latent racism are on-topic for the wiki. This page may be in scope. ~~~~"
15:55:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Satans Disciples GangLang $]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191590 * Corbin * (+195) Created page with "We have discussed on IRC whether pages espousing latent racism are on-topic for the wiki. This page may be in scope. ~~~~"
15:55:18 <korvo> ^^^ Being the bad guy.
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15:58:00 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191591&oldid=190540 * Dragoneater67 * (+5) :-)
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16:00:09 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191593&oldid=191592 * Dragoneater67 * (+9) muhahahhahaha
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16:08:28 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191595&oldid=191594 * Dragoneater67 * (+31)
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16:18:39 <shachaf> ais523: How do you feel about https://tom7.org/httpv/httpv.pdf ?
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16:39:38 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191597&oldid=191596 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+43) /* Why does this exist */
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16:46:30 <ais523> I just had an idea: if scrapers are now solving Anubis and the like, you could give a proof-of-work-ish problem for which the answer was actually useful to you (together with some way to verify it), and then use all the scrapers as a cluster
16:46:53 <ais523> …maybe Cloudflare is using their "checking you're not a bot" challenge to mine bitcoin?
16:47:11 <Guest82> so we should make the scrapers solve the halting problem or p vs np?
16:47:25 <ais523> the halting problem is known to be unsolvable
16:47:33 <ais523> P vs. NP isn't, but it's hard to see how you would prove it by brute force
16:51:06 <korvo> ais523: This leads to Hashcash, then to digital gold, then to Bitcoin, then to Monero. It's not a bad idea but it seems to not work out as we'd like.
16:51:29 <korvo> See also Ted Nelson's incorrect belief that something Internet-shaped would require micropayments; in fact, micropayments were one of the parts of Project Xanadu that were never figured out.
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16:53:01 <ais523> korvo: I'm thinking more in the sense of "it's unreasonable to require a human visitor to donate a lot of CPU time to you, but the scraperbots are being unreasonable and so you can probably milk them for more CPU than would be reasonable by a human"
16:53:23 <korvo> Anubis never made sense. It was always obviously going to inconvenience humans more than bots. The reason that it got popular is because its author went on a manic bender, declared themselves an important CEO who makes big plays, and a lot of nasty reactionary folks came out of the woodwork to get angry about anime girls. We support Anubis mostly to piss off the reactionaries, not because it's a good choice of component.
16:53:53 <korvo> ais523: Sadly, the only effective ways to deal with them are afoul of CFAA here, and probably afoul of similar statute over there.
16:54:21 <korvo> We live in a society that assumes and requires good faith, and punishes anybody who refuses to offer good faith to clearly-malicious interlocutors.
16:54:28 <ais523> well, it got popular because a) it has good marketing and b) people needed *something* to avoid the site going down from scraper load and it did work for at least a while
16:55:35 <korvo> On (b), again, there's the implicit constraint that we are following the law. A scaper who is knocking over their targets is *not* following the law. There's no technological solution to the asymmetry of responsible behavior vs criminal behavior.
16:56:12 <ais523> korvo: I think you're missing the point – the site owners don't care whether the scrapers are following the law or not, they care about their site not going down under an unmanageable amount of load
16:56:34 <korvo> ais523: *And* The site owners care about *the site owners* following the law.
16:57:10 <ais523> korvo: probably they do, but I don't think that's relevant, in the sense that I think non-illegal means for blocking scrapers are likely to be much more effective than illegal means
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16:58:03 <korvo> Anyway, Anubis has been known to be offloadable to accelerators for at least 18mo or so: https://github.com/sleeyax/anubis-solver When pressed, Anubis' author will admit that it's not meant to actually deny any access, but to punish bots who use dishonest user-agent advertisements.
16:58:48 <ais523> when it first came out, what mattered wasn't whether it was accelerable (it clearly was) but whether the scrapers had accelerators
16:58:51 <ais523> they didn't at the time, they likely do now
16:59:14 <korvo> ais523: Nah, if we were allowed, we could just take any frontier lab offline. As the bots themselves are demonstrating, the typical deployed OS is riddled with dozens of memory vulns and can be taken over by an RNG. Frontier labs aren't magically more secure, especially the ones that offer Web services.
16:59:34 <ais523> korvo: what makes you think that frontier labs are directly doing the scraping?
16:59:47 <korvo> The main reason that the Internet's not constantly hacked apart is good faith and law.
17:00:09 <ais523> I think identifying the entity or entities that are responsible for overscraping (in the sense of "attacking the entity would stop the scraping") is likely to be extremely difficult
17:00:13 <korvo> ais523: I don't see why that would put them out of range, TBH.
17:00:49 <korvo> Sorry if I'm approaching this from sort of a basic angle, BTW. There's nothing wrong with PoW, but it's not at all new, so I'm double-checking that we're on the same page WRT the phenomenon in question.
17:01:27 <ais523> I actually don't think PoW is the part of Anbuis that's relevant to stopping scraping
17:02:11 <ais523> it forces the scrapers to special-case it, *that's* the relevant part (but is undermined if it becomes too widely used)
17:02:51 <b_jonas> ais523: would you be milking the GPU capacity of the scraperbot in some useful way, eg. mine bitcoin using hashes on GPU, or would you be finding some task that requires lots of computation but can be farmed out to visitors' CPU yet isn't easier on a local GPU?
17:03:25 <korvo> I think that if we're not going to question the presence of HTTP in the system then there's no point talking about "scraping". The entire point of the system is to service GETs, isn't it? Maybe we should be unasking the entire question of why we have to centralize the data we're trying to maintain.
17:03:33 <ais523> b_jonas: it's hard to think of many compute-intensive tasks that inherently require a CPU
17:04:04 <ais523> korvo: no, servicing GETs isn't the purpose of the system, it's the mechanism via which the system operates
17:04:11 <korvo> Named Data is a serious project, for example. By no coincidence, a Named Data network only supports HTTP via encapsulation of requests and responses, freezing both in time and making them immutable.
17:04:44 <ais523> on, say, esolangs.org, the purpose of the system is to let people read about esolangs and to contribute new information about esolangs
17:05:06 <korvo> And to be scraped to death. That's Beer's axiom: the purpose of the system is what it does.
17:05:24 <b_jonas> currently the Cloudfare and Google recaptcha gates bother me more than the Anubis ones
17:05:42 <ais523> I don't think that can be right, because systems can be changed to better fit their purpose
17:05:46 <b_jonas> but possibly partly because I see Anubis only on a few sites
17:06:09 <ais523> would you say that one of the purposes of esolangs.org is to require that visitors don't specify the keys of the key-value pairs in the query string in alphabetical order?
17:06:16 <esolangs> [[Libraryfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191598 * Mrtli08 * (+515) Created page with "Libraryfuck is [[Brainfuck]] with libraries and is made by Mrtli08. === How it works === It has the 8 regular BF commands plus the library stuff, which works like this: <br> 1. {} fetches the library inside the brackets (i.e. {test.bf}). <br> 2. !() defines a librar
17:07:00 <korvo> Yep! The system could have been designed to not require that, but it certainly does.
17:07:19 <b_jonas> “many compute-intensive tasks that inherently require a CPU” => at least with the additional constraint that you can send the inputs and outputs through network and this throughput doesn't eat all the overhead, the latency doesn't bother you, and you don't trust the resulting answers because the other side may be malicious.
17:07:34 <esolangs> [[Libraryfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191599&oldid=191598 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+168) categorization
17:07:38 <korvo> Generalizing, one of the purposes is to gatekeep write access. The gatekeeping is not really oriented around whether the writing will be any good, though. There's not really any process for improvement over time, only for change over time.
17:07:39 <ais523> b_jonas: yes, ideally you want an answer that is easy to verify
17:08:17 <ais523> actually I think this axiom is inherently wrong, in that it seems to imply "all systems are perfect at fulfilling their purpose" which to me is an obviously false statement
17:08:59 <korvo> It more implies something like "all designers of systems are lying to themselves, their users, and their overseers about the purpose of the system".
17:09:11 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191600&oldid=191190 * Mrtli08 * (+148)
17:09:30 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191601&oldid=191600 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+330) /* thanks */ no problem
17:09:44 <ais523> from my point of view, you are attempting to redefine a fairly commonly used word ("purpose") to a nonstandard definition that isn't particularly useful
17:09:57 <ais523> and I'm not sure why you think that doing that is beneficial
17:10:14 <korvo> That's fine. From my POV, you're incredibly underread in systems theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_what_it_does
17:10:36 <korvo> And I think that you do it because you've got some metaphysics that you haven't fully examined and you allow that metaphysics to delimit what you perceive.
17:11:11 <b_jonas> there was a recent article on this: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/come-on-obviously-the-purpose-of
17:11:57 <b_jonas> "allow that metaphysics to delimit what you perceive." => yeah, we're not the Guide mk. 2
17:12:24 <korvo> Yeah, but I'm also not citing Scott fucking Alexander~
17:13:56 <ais523> korvo: fwiw, I read that Wikipedia article, I just disagree with the points attributed to Beer in it
17:14:16 <korvo> b_jonas: https://gist.github.com/segyges/f540a3dadeb42f49c0b0ab4244e43a55
17:15:04 <esolangs> [[Sweat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191602&oldid=186281 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+166) categorization, also very cool language
17:15:17 <korvo> ais523: That's fine. I'm sure you can imagine that I have a parade-of-horribles argument here; I can list off real-world systems, point out what they primarily do, and then ask whether that's their purpose.
17:15:36 <ais523> korvo: the answer is usually that it's difficult to tell
17:15:45 <korvo> Sure, maybe the stated purpose of esolangs.org is to document esolangs, but the primary purpose is to act as a graffiti wall.
17:16:01 <ais523> a system that has intentionally been designed to do X is difficult to distinguish from a system that has unintentionally been designed to do X
17:16:15 <b_jonas> korvo: no, documenting esolangs is definitely not the only purpose
17:18:38 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191603&oldid=189910 * Blashyrkh * (+804) (some of) my golfing results
17:23:51 <korvo> ais523: So, when a system causes e.g. grievous human-rights violations as its primary effect, are we going to excuse its architects because it was unintended, because it was well-intentioned, because it was truly believed, because it was a matter of faith, because they were following good systems-design principles, ...?
17:24:22 <ais523> korvo: I think the correct approach is to look at the reactions of the architects
17:24:41 <korvo> It really grates that, rather than just *saying something* about racism on talk pages, or even doing the reasonable thing of *asking me* to leave notes on racism, you want me to be the bad guy both to you and to our young users.
17:25:40 <korvo> ais523: Oh. Their reactions in public, or their reactions in private? What does it say about those folks when they display one set of principles publically, and another when they think the public will never overhear them?
17:26:16 <korvo> (You can look up recordings of such luminaries as Mr. Reagan, Mr. Nixon, and their good friends Henry Kissinger, Roger Stone, and Lee Atwater if you want some USA examples of this.)
17:26:27 <ais523> korvo: what matters most is actions, not private opinions
17:26:49 <korvo> So what it does, not what we say the purpose of it is to do. (In private~)
17:27:23 <ais523> at school in the UK, we were taught that it is illegal to act in a discriminatory way towards ethnic minorities, but not illegal to have private opinions on the subject, regardless of what those opinions are
17:27:51 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191604&oldid=191585 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+853)
17:28:41 <ais523> (I commend the school for actually teaching people to not discriminate via actions, rather than leaving it up to people to figure it out on their own)
17:30:37 <korvo> At school in the USA, I wanted to go across the street during lunchtime to buy a slice of pizza or a baguette. But a few years in, they stopped letting students leave campus. A few years after that, they closed up the courtyard with fencing and glass, and today they require students to always be confined to specific halls when not in class.
17:31:10 <ais523> I think schools may be trending in that direction here too, but extremely slowly
17:31:17 <ais523> to the extent that I'm not sure it's a real pattern
17:31:30 <korvo> Michel Foucault would have said that this is because the actual purpose of a school is to imprison teenagers and indoctrinate them into capitalism, while the stated purpose is to educate and open minds. (And I won a debate as a teen by pursuing this line of reasoning.)
17:32:41 <ais523> there is, generally, a legal requirement to ensure that children do not place themselves into dangerous situations; over here, the requirement is placed on the child's parents most of the time, but while the child is at school, it is delegated to the school
17:33:31 <ais523> so schools normally attempt to make sure that they can keep an eye on the children (and the extent to which they do this may depend on how mature the child is)
17:33:36 <korvo> Yep, loco parentis is a thing here too. And indeed they say that the reasoning is school shooters. That's also the reason why there's a cop stationed in the school.
17:33:55 <ais523> school shooters are almost unheard of in the UK
17:34:34 <ais523> the dangers are more things like schoolchildren getting into fights with other schoolchildren (especially ones that go to a different school), which can lead to injuries even when weapons are not involved
17:35:04 <korvo> In practice, the purpose of the cop is to bust teens for drugs. Lately, the purpose is to bust teens for daring to be trans, autistic, furry, or queer.
17:35:45 <korvo> A cop in a school has never actually arrested a shooting in progress. Look up the cop responses to the Uvalde shooting, for example.
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17:36:23 <ais523> I think you're wrong – I think the purpose of the cop is to reassure the parents
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17:36:56 <ais523> this doesn't require them to be effective at their job, it just requires the parents to perceive that they might be
17:38:07 <korvo> And fortunately teens don't have rights~ https://www.opb.org/news/article/police-schools-oregon-remove-beaverton-lake-oswego-salem-keizer/ Here in Oregon, there was a COVID-era student-led movement to remove cops from schools because the *students* did not feel reassured.
17:38:29 <ais523> I'm not sure what you're trying to convince me of (if anything)
17:38:58 <ais523> often you make a mix of statements I agree with and statements I disagree with, but can't tell where the argument is going or whether you're trying to make one
17:39:36 <korvo> Foucault would suggest that parents are only reassured to the degree that they can ensure that the school will follow through with the parent's expectations for punishment. For example, it was important to my parents that the school involuntarily medicate me in their absence. This is a hint that, like System of a Down said so many times, basically every power structure in capitalist society is prison-shaped.
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17:40:43 <korvo> Concretely? In terms of idealism, I'm hoping to liberate you from milquetoast liberalism by pointing out that we live in a society. In terms of the wiki, I'm trying to get at the roots of why it's obvious to some folks that some pages are racist, and also digging at why you were unwilling to act.
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17:41:28 <ais523> korvo: I would posit that the page is not *obviously* racist – to someone who does not have context, it is difficult to tell whether it is or not
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17:41:44 <korvo> Also, in terms of holding mirrors up to people, which is basically the only thing my personality can *do*, I'm hoping that you see that when you say stuff like "I think you're wrong" about the lived experience of people far away from you, that you can understand the sources of your presumptions.
17:42:42 <ais523> for example, one possibility that is consistent with all the facts I currently have is "the page is making fun of gangs, but this is not specific to any particular race" (in which case deleting the page on the basis that it were racist would itself be a racist thing to do, on the basis that it would brand members of a particular race as tending to be gang members)
17:43:20 <korvo> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cholo Well, those excuses are gone now.
17:43:47 <korvo> It's okay to not recognize a particular slur or insult. It's okay to have to go look them up. It's okay to not know until members of the community speak up and point it out.
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17:44:47 <ais523> korvo: I wasn't even looking on that part of the page
17:45:04 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Eselangs]]": language description contains a racial slur
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17:47:13 <ais523> I am curious as to why you didn't edit the problematic part out, though (which you could have done yourself)
17:47:39 <korvo> Teach man fish, etc.
17:48:23 <korvo> Also, I'm not one of *those* moderators. If somebody's problematic then I'm making an example out of them.
17:48:30 <ais523> the odds that I catch such things on my own in future are very low, and the point of a wiki is that multiple p
17:48:38 <ais523> *people can cooperate in trying to improve it
17:51:54 <ais523> in any case, I hadn't realised until searching for the word on the page that the problem was with the description surrounding the language, not the language itself, so I was looking in the wrong place
17:52:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191605&oldid=191587 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+205) duh
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17:55:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191606&oldid=191605 * Blashyrkh * (+249) my humble opinion on constant languages
17:55:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191607&oldid=190121 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+270) /* QUINE */
17:57:24 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191608&oldid=191607 * Blashyrkh * (+145) /* QUINE */
17:57:28 <korvo> ais523: Roommate looked over my shoulder at GangLang and said "so obviously racist. painfully racist. if somebody came up in a black or hispanic neighborhood and started talking like that, they'd get fucking shot. or accused of being a cop."
17:57:41 <korvo> So yeah, verdict is that you're really out of touch. Sorry.
17:58:28 <ais523> korvo: this is the point I was trying to make – because I am not in touch with this I am not the right person to make decisions about this
17:58:48 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191609&oldid=191606 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+708) They just wanted to create a language that prints "Nah.", though it should probably be merged with the others like it
17:59:15 <ais523> this is why you need to either a) contact another admin who understands the problem better than I do, or b) start a community discussion because the community is quite likely to have people who understand the issues
18:00:00 <ais523> a lot of dysfunction is caused by people making decisions about things they don't understand
18:00:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191610&oldid=191609 * Blashyrkh * (+199)
18:02:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191611&oldid=191610 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+463)
18:03:06 <korvo> Well, you've got an Autocracy on your hands. If there's no other Diplomats then it's up to you to find more Autocrats until you can sustain a proper Democracy. Right now, doing anything Democratic is going to fail and I'm sure you already know that this doesn't improve with scale.
18:03:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191612&oldid=191608 * Blashyrkh * (+306) /* A+B golfing challenge */ new section
18:04:05 <korvo> But, like, I personally am really doubting how much of that is sincere and how much of that is (c) that there's clearly a lot of deletions in scope for policy, and by not making those routine, we have seen an erosion of the *process* which would make cleanup possible. This is why I stubbed process and policy pages.
18:05:23 <korvo> Especially given that, right now, the wiki doesn't really support any sort of forward-compatibility with some non-prosaic format that can be reasonably computerized. We should think of ourselves as in a continuum with projects like PLDB, which I guess today is at http://pldb.info/
18:06:35 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191613&oldid=191604 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+430) /* Some strange questions and thoughts and ideas */
18:07:19 <ais523> korvo: looking after the wiki is extremely difficult for me; I attempt to do it because nobody else is and I don't want the wiki to collapse completely, but sometimes I've thought about just abandoning it
18:08:41 <ais523> there are a lot of deletions that would be beneficial, but it's hard for me to make a decision about all of them unilaterally, which is why I want things like widely agreed topicality rules to help guide the decisions so that i don't need to make so many of them
18:09:07 <korvo> ais523: You know full well that you're talking to somebody who writes new pages, organizes old pages, identifies patterns, tries to adhere to community norms, and in general would be well-qualified for additional power. We also both know full well that the main reason you won't do it is because I am 100% unafraid to delete [[language list]].
18:09:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191614&oldid=191612 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+237) /* QUINE */
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18:09:53 <korvo> So please don't set up claims like "nobody else is [looking/willing-to-look after the wiki]" when there's clearly a healthy community of editors, including high-quality editors, including (in theory) me.
18:10:05 <ais523> korvo: actually no, I am also planning to delete the language list at smoe point; I'm against giving you admin power because I think you would use too much of it too quickly and drive people away from the site
18:10:22 <ais523> <korvo> Also, I'm not one of *those* moderators. If somebody's problematic then I'm making an example out of them. ← like that
18:10:54 <korvo> Good! Be skeptical. But don't say I'm nobody.
18:10:56 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191615&oldid=191611 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+278) death to all trivial languages
18:10:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191616&oldid=191614 * Blashyrkh * (+148) /* QUINE */
18:11:11 <ais523> it is extremely common for someone to be initially problematic due to not understanding some aspect of how the community works, banning all such people is short-term reasonable but tends to kill a site in the medium term
18:12:07 <ais523> and you write articles like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Monoid which have no clear target audience
18:12:17 <b_jonas> fwiw, I also wouldn't like korvo to get wiki admin rights, even though I respect his contributions about object level programming language theory stuff
18:13:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191617&oldid=191615 * Blashyrkh * (+245)
18:13:15 <b_jonas> but if you korvo warn ais523 about problems on the wiki, here or on the wiki, that does help make his work easier
18:13:22 <korvo> That's fine. I don't mind being the bad guy as long as I can show problematic patterns by example.
18:13:43 <ais523> (I am also not sure if I even have the power to make new wiki admins; I think I have the technical ability but am not sure, but this is the sort of decision that would definitely need multiple admins to agree)
18:14:25 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191618&oldid=191617 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+223) deadfish
18:14:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191619&oldid=191618 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+1)
18:14:40 <b_jonas> sure, it's mostly on fizzie
18:15:09 <ais523> I think fizzie is in the same position as me from a sysadmin point of view, i.e. is running the site because nobody else is
18:15:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191620&oldid=191619 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+473)
18:15:49 <korvo> You may assume that articles like [[monoid]] are written solely for search engines. (Extremely funny that you cannot imagine why I would consolidate and clean up lab notes from around the wiki. Do we want to look like a messy lab bench?)
18:16:18 <ais523> korvo: I hadn't considered that as a target audience
18:16:37 <ais523> normally the reason you expose your site to search engines is so that they can help humans to find it, if they are looking at it
18:16:46 <ais523> * if they are looking for it
18:17:20 <ais523> admittedly search engines have been getting worse at this over time, but for niche subjects where there's only a few pages on the Internet that could possibly be relevant they are still generally able to find them
18:18:22 <ais523> I just searched for "underload programming language" and the Esolang page on it was the first non-ad result
18:18:50 <korvo> When I said "LLMs are good at reading and bad at writing", I meant it. Some text is worth writing simply because textbook-quality technically-minded clearly-written content will *steer* the bots.
18:19:04 <ais523> but why host it on esolangs.org?
18:19:32 <ais523> if you are trying to steer bots, it would make more sense to use a host that doesn't open up every page to editing by the general public
18:19:38 <korvo> But that's really just for generality. Because there *are* people out there beyond your perception who read stuff. I mean, would you ask why I post on certain AO3 tags too?
18:20:09 <ais523> my main complaint about the monoid article is that anyone who is able to understand it will already know what a monoid is
18:20:20 <ais523> (and most likely attempt to look it up at Wikipedia rather than here)
18:20:23 <korvo> [[monoid]] and [[computable]] are gifts to the community: here, I've cleaned up the lab notes. I'm not fully finished for [[monoid]], in that I think that there's a lot of content around BF minimalization that can be formalized too.
18:22:10 <korvo> English Wikipedia doesn't have intuition for monoids, work the examples of free monoids, or otherwise do the work to introduce the topic. Simple English doesn't really do well either; they start, "in abstract algebra, a monoid is a set of elements along with an operation", just like a textbook.
18:22:47 <ais523> a free monoid is just a list, right?
18:23:16 <ais523> (symmetrical list, not the cons cell version)
18:23:31 <ais523> I guess "string" fits the intuition better
18:23:32 <korvo> But I don't think of esolangs.org as a free web host. Rather, I think of it as a historically-important community, like a heritage site, which deserves community love and care. That's kind of why I'm at all emotionally invested in, y'know, preventing new graffiti from showing up.
18:23:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191621&oldid=191620 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+504) kind of interesting situation
18:24:37 <ais523> I think of it as primarily being about trying to prevent information about esolangs being *lost*, and secondarily about helping people to discover it (which is why there is a bias towards inclusionism)
18:25:25 <ais523> there is a limit to the first part of this, but I'm not sure where the line is
18:25:55 <ais523> (context: the site was set up in response to information about esolangs being deleted from Wikipedia due to not being considered sufficiently notable)
18:26:19 <ais523> sometimes, things that seemed pointless turned out to be useful/important in retrospect
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18:26:55 <ais523> e.g. trivial brainfuck substitutions are usually uninteresting and there are a lot of them out there, but a few years ago a project ended up needing them in quantity and then it was useful that they were documented
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18:35:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191622&oldid=191621 * PkmnQ * (+337) and I'm here too!
18:37:32 <korvo> ais523: Anyway, I'm sorry for pushing the point for two days. I won't do that in the future. I hope you can understand that, every morning, I wonder whether my trans girlfriend is home safely, or whether my neighbors are going to be detained by ICE, or whether RFK Jr. has ordered an overnight roundup of everybody like me to be taken to a Midwest labor camp, and that perhaps this has affected how I relate to power structures.
18:39:31 <korvo> But I hope that you're seeing the power of ten words or less. For the chatbots, it's "what is the monoid of brainfuck?" Currently above, it's "What was the motivation for this article?" Before, it was "how to translate [Spanish word] to English?"
18:40:13 <korvo> So, I'm gonna take a vacation, because I don't think I'm going to be useful for a while, but I want to leave with: What is the process for reviewing articles to be deleted?
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18:41:03 <ais523> I think the process is still technically "start a discussion on the talk page, hopefully people will join in, if an admin thinks there's a consensus they will delete it" but this is somewhat dependent on how long it takes the admin to notice
18:41:35 <ais523> it is not very good for time-sensitive deletions, but historically there hasn't been much of a need for those
18:42:18 <ais523> historically there was a separate process of "the site owner doesn't like it and deletes it unilaterally" which sometimes worked and sometimes didn't
18:45:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191623&oldid=191622 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+567) yeah good point
18:46:20 <aadenboy> ais523: what was the project that they were used for?
18:46:34 <ais523> aadenboy: a polyglot that worked in a very large number of languages
18:47:05 <ais523> BF substititions are normally pretty easy to work into a polyglot because they ignore everything other than 8 specific commands
18:47:17 <aadenboy> feels a bit cheaty that way though
18:47:37 <ais523> there were lots of practical languages in there too
18:47:50 <ais523> although that was cheated to some extent too via using different versions/variants
18:48:10 <ais523> Haskell has lots of extensions, the polyglot would treat Haskell with different extension sets as different languages
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18:49:27 <int-e> Hmm... prank or LLM slop? Praphrasing snippet I saw scroll by in a search engine: "using radare2 is as easy as running `r2 <file>` to open the radare tool; then all that remains is to learn how to use the tool" (I'm leaning towards LLM slop)
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18:50:01 <int-e> also... weird way to disconnect... I was still receiving messages but couldn't send any
18:50:05 <b_jonas> ais523: surely not all BF substitutions ignore everything else
18:50:24 <b_jonas> some of them probably give an error, or treat it as the end of the program
18:50:47 <ais523> int-e: this may be "LLM sunk cost fallacy", where it starts a sentence for which there's no reasonable way to end it, but just keeps on going anyway
18:51:04 <ais523> b_jonas: I guess this is a philosophical question about what is and isn't a BF substitution
18:51:20 <ais523> BF ignores things it doesn't understand, if you remove that rule from a language, is it still a substitution?
18:51:34 <ais523> clearly you still end up with a BF *equivalent* but that's a slightly different class of language
18:53:21 <b_jonas> ais523: yes, but ignoring everything else is more natural when each command is a single character long than in substitutions with longer names for the commands
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19:02:57 <b_jonas> (it may still ignore *some* non-instruction things, eg. some substitutions could ignore whitespace)
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19:23:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191627&oldid=191626 * Miui * (+696) Nah. foo
19:25:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191628&oldid=191627 * Miui * (+385)
19:26:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191629&oldid=191628 * Miui * (+1)
19:27:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:Eselangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191630&oldid=191588 * Miui * (+247)
19:29:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191631&oldid=191583 * Miui * (+504)
19:30:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:Satans Disciples GangLang $]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191632&oldid=191590 * Miui * (+257)
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19:33:21 <MarkFan8901> miuis reaction on Talk:Nah. makes us think we didnt go about page deletion correctly
19:33:45 <MarkFan8901> > upposedly "eselangs" contains a recaial slur and was deleted, and is just another bad faith argument it seems folks are using to gang up on me, but that language as well does not contain a racial slur, and it genuinely useful for people who speak that programming language naturally to learn how to program.
19:33:46 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:61: error: parse error on input `,'
19:33:55 <Guest82> lambdabot now is not the time.
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19:34:25 <MarkFan8901> from miuis perspective, a bunch of their languages are starting to get discussion seemingly for the sole point of deletion
19:34:41 <MarkFan8901> and we think thats making them really defensive
19:35:17 <MarkFan8901> we feel like miui should be talked to directly instead
19:35:27 <aadenboy> https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2026-08-30.html#lxh this was what led to the deletion
19:36:02 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191633&oldid=191574 * Miui * (+76) /* actually hilarious */
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19:37:10 <MarkFan8901> taking each individual page of theirs down is NOT the right move
19:37:26 <Guest82> you mean they should have discussed with miui first before deleting the page?
19:37:41 <MarkFan8901> we mean they should discuss with miui about all of their behavior
19:37:46 <esolangs> [[BackroomsTDP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191634&oldid=188968 * Miui * (+8) Tag work in progrese
19:37:59 <MarkFan8901> since basically all their languages fall under candidates for deletion
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19:38:18 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191635&oldid=191633 * Miui * (+18) /* Works in progress */ add backroomsTDP to works in progress
19:38:28 <MarkFan8901> attacking each page individually does kinda feel like being ganged up on
19:38:56 <MarkFan8901> and like the decision to delete your pages was made behind your back
19:39:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nuclear launch detected.]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191636 * Miui * (+217) Created page with "This one also exists for a reason, which related to my starcraft language [[Color Dialog]] and potential advancements I could make thematically. ~~~~"
19:41:18 <MarkFan8901> like we think 'have a discussion about it' on each individual page is just bogging the process down
19:41:32 <MarkFan8901> the topicality proposal was so we could delete stuff like this en masse without having to do that
19:41:44 <MarkFan8901> ofc not to say there shouldnt be consideration or even communication
19:42:06 <aadenboy> something I've seen and done myself on other wikis is moving pages to userspace; it's clearly going "hey, we can't have this in mainspace", but it's not outright deleting it
19:42:38 <aadenboy> and it's able to be moved back to mainspace once applicable for inclusion
19:42:39 <MarkFan8901> we dont remember the policy on multiple userspace articles
19:42:46 <ais523> aadenboy: that probably doesn't work well here
19:42:50 <ais523> userspace abuse was very common in the past
19:42:57 <ais523> so there was something of a crackdown on it
19:43:04 <ais523> (probably not enough of one, though)
19:43:08 <Guest82> is that why the "only one sandbox per user" rule exists?
19:43:32 <ais523> that rule exists because someone (not me) edited it onto the policy page and nobody reverted it
19:43:40 <ais523> I haven't tried to enforce it yet
19:43:55 <ais523> (but this is a valid way to make policy on a wiki, if enough people understand how it works)
19:45:49 <MarkFan8901> reading more on miuis takes, they have some weird warped view of what the purpose of esolangs are
19:46:00 <MarkFan8901> that might just apply more generally to the kind of pages we dont want
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19:46:26 <MarkFan8901> which is that theyre just containers for raw ideas
19:46:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:Satans Disciples GangLang $]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191637&oldid=191632 * Miui * (+165)
19:47:29 <MarkFan8901> like theyre all less about actually building a language and more about "language about [insert topic here]"
19:48:08 <MarkFan8901> miui seems to be taking the attack as an attack on the topics of their languages
19:49:16 <ais523> I like the "containers for raw ideas" way of expressing it
19:49:41 <ais523> I guess "language about" / "language that" is also an interesting distinction (mine are primarily in the latter category)
19:50:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191638&oldid=191629 * Miui * (+78) add archived link for posterity
19:51:35 <MarkFan8901> yea if you pay attention most slop languages like that are really just, *themed* around some idea
19:52:03 <MarkFan8901> the language itself is kind of an afterthought
19:52:12 <MarkFan8901> in more charitable cases its made to work to fit the theme
19:53:00 <Guest82> sorry for being clueless but what do you mean by "containers for raw ideas", is it like a thematic language minus the language part?
19:53:14 <MarkFan8901> its okay we weren't sure if that made sense
19:53:35 <MarkFan8901> what we mean is like, the language is simply a means to express *some* idea
19:53:56 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191639&oldid=191635 * Miui * (+168) /* Constant languages */ add Kek
19:54:03 <MarkFan8901> so that emphasis on the language itself is put down in the process
19:54:16 <Guest82> ah so like the language is just a medium for the theme, instead of "wearing" the theme like with LOLCODE or Chef?
19:57:13 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Dooblix * uploaded "[[File:Minez logo.png]]"
19:59:46 <esolangs> [[Minez]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191641&oldid=189239 * Dooblix * (+62) Added the Minez Logo to the article
19:59:52 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191642&oldid=191551 * Miui * (+347) added some examples
20:00:50 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[File:Desktop.png]]": copyright violation (contains copyrighted images, e.g. icons and the desktop background)
20:01:06 <MarkFan8901> >It works by arithmetically manipulating the integer in register 0 to the ASCII value of each character in sequence and printing it.
20:01:16 <MarkFan8901> that makes the hello world program sound SO dramatic
20:01:29 <esolangs> [[Esme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191643&oldid=191151 * Salpynx * (+22) "Shameful" is part of this language's history, removing the necessarily non-existent category breaks multiple references on talk pages and elsewhere
20:01:50 <aadenboy> "arithmetically manipulating" sounds like LLM slop
20:02:37 <Guest82> you mean like when you try to hit a word count on an essay?
20:02:58 <esolangs> [[Minez]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191644&oldid=191641 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+84) some more categorization
20:03:08 <aadenboy> more like making it seem more grandiose than it really is
20:03:42 <MarkFan8901> makes it sound like ur crawling ur way through a room of lazers to get the bits to the exact right places
20:04:16 <MarkFan8901> we swear the logo doesnt look ai generated tho
20:04:42 <MarkFan8901> looks like smth that could be made on that example drawing app ipads have at the store
20:04:55 <esolangs> [[Esme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191645&oldid=191643 * Aadenboy * (+1)
20:05:27 <MarkFan8901> also what is that argument >removing the necessarily non-existent category breaks multiple references on talk pages and elsewhere
20:05:41 <MarkFan8901> its a deliberately broken link. you cant break anything removing it
20:06:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191646&oldid=191631 * Ractangle * (+437)
20:06:17 <MarkFan8901> oh also what are your guys' thoughts on 'old' joke languages like esme?
20:07:04 <aadenboy> my stance is that if they're notable like [[HQ9+]] or usable like [[LOLCODE]] they can say
20:07:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191647&oldid=191477 * Miui * (+1322) tl;dr I can't verify that the translator reflected the meaning accurately, so I made this page.
20:07:17 <MarkFan8901> we think filtering by >2021 or smth would be good
20:07:17 <ais523> Esme is the same sort of thing that Miui is flooding the wiki with, except it was fairly unique back then
20:07:54 <ais523> it leads to a problem, because how can you allow one page like that without allowing all the pages like that? unless you merge them somehow
20:08:05 <MarkFan8901> just say its protected by historical context
20:08:08 <ais523> (IIRC Esme even did the "broken URL as extra context" thing)
20:08:19 <ais523> fwiw i don't personally care much about Esme, but I know some other people do
20:08:38 <MarkFan8901> we would say esme does quality for notability
20:09:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191648&oldid=191646 * Miui * (+179)
20:10:00 <MarkFan8901> maybe we should also be bringing this discussion to the topicality proposal
20:10:11 <MarkFan8901> so its not behind closed doors for ppl who arent on the irc
20:12:13 <MarkFan8901> wait hold on the edit history of esme is really funny
20:12:27 <MarkFan8901> theres like 8 edits in a row where someone gets rid of the nonexistent category and someone adds it back
20:13:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191649&oldid=191648 * Miui * (+201)
20:13:49 <MarkFan8901> checking back it does actually seem to be a part of the original language
20:14:12 <MarkFan8901> maybe there should be a comment in source abt how its important to the history of esme
20:14:23 <MarkFan8901> which the concept of would be really funny and fitting for esme imo
20:16:24 <MarkFan8901> yea marking esme as historical might be the best thing to do
20:16:50 <MarkFan8901> cuz it *was* made in a notably different context than languages right now
20:17:28 <MarkFan8901> enough so to justify its existence even when it violates topicality
20:17:47 <fungot> MarkFan8901: fnord/ fnord/ fnord
20:18:59 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191650&oldid=191639 * Miui * (+135) /* personal esopages */ add my personal esopage
20:20:02 <esolangs> [[QuadnaryLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191651&oldid=154484 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+133) categorization, also maybe don't use h[n] tags?
20:20:29 <MarkFan8901> okay our good will for miui is rapidly dwindling
20:21:04 <MarkFan8901> on their neocities they have a "maya kendrick #1 fan" page
20:21:45 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191652&oldid=178807 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+134) categorization
20:21:47 <MarkFan8901> and the description of her on the page is misleading to make you believe she was some sort of mexican activist
20:23:14 <esolangs> [[Common]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191653&oldid=173146 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+155) categorization
20:23:27 <MarkFan8901> ok yea no theyre just leading ppl to unwittingly look up porn
20:23:57 <MarkFan8901> ais523: you could probably do something about this pretty comfortably
20:24:12 <MarkFan8901> the edit in question is the one where miui adds their "personal esopage"
20:24:44 <esolangs> [[GLUG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191654&oldid=173150 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+140) categorization
20:25:04 <esolangs> [[GLUG]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191655&oldid=191654 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) pls fix the case mistake in some of the categories
20:25:40 <ais523> MarkFan8901: I don't think that's an easy decision (it might even be a collision of names)
20:26:13 <ais523> sometimes two different people have the same name as each other
20:26:29 <ais523> my real name is extremely common and you probably wouldn't find me if searching for it
20:26:43 <ais523> at least, not without added context
20:27:07 <MarkFan8901> yea we looked that name up with nsfw off and it came back with literally 0 results
20:27:51 <MarkFan8901> if maya kendrick is the name of a real mexican advocate they are NOT notable enough for a "#1 fan page"
20:28:30 <esolangs> [[Password generator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191656&oldid=150951 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+10) stub page? the description of the program here is kinda vague
20:28:48 <ais523> in cases like this I would rather find a better reason to remove the link (e.g. because the page is offtopic (is it?) and it's inappropriate to use this site to advertise your personal pages)
20:28:58 <ais523> in any case, you don't need to be an admin to delete a link from a page
20:29:32 <ais523> the account creation process is a bit convoluted, in order to keep out spambots
20:30:03 <MarkFan8901> we're torn between MarkFan8901, eqispety, and lefmonbee
20:30:12 <aadenboy> ais523: I should ask, are the external links on my page OK? "VSCode Box Drawing" extension section might be an issue
20:30:54 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191657&oldid=191489 * Miui * (+60) /* Joke/Silly Ideas */
20:31:00 <aadenboy> you can use displaytitle to makje it lowercase on your page
20:31:10 <aadenboy> {{DISPLAYTITLE:User:lefmonbee}}
20:31:23 <ais523> it'll still have the first letter capitalised in most places other than the page, though
20:32:06 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191658&oldid=191613 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-10355) wipe
20:34:12 <MarkFan8901> wait is `a b` the order they appear on the stack or the order they were pushed
20:34:59 <ais523> 1 2 - is 2 minus 1 I think
20:35:56 <ais523> (you may as well use the bot to solve the captcha for you rathe than trying to work it out by hand)
20:36:21 <somefan> i notation polish reverse love
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20:37:40 <esolangs> [[Nope. with no quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191659&oldid=186157 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+648) not unimplemented anymore
20:37:51 <ais523> oddly, the spambots used to often get past the befunge part of the captcha, but then got stuck at the introduce yourself stage
20:38:16 <MarkFan8901> also wait which bot can we use for befunge code
20:38:28 <ais523> do `! befunge and then the program
20:38:53 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * MarkFan8901 * New user account
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20:39:08 <esolangs> [[Nope. with no quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191660&oldid=191659 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-1) bruh wrong order
20:39:15 <aadenboy> thought about some kind of QuineCycling() language where the quine cycles after N unique strings
20:39:33 <ais523> my guess is that spambot frameworks have a way to escalate to humans for solving weird captchas, but don't have any way to cope with after-captcha requirements
20:40:00 <ais523> aadenboy: programs like that have been written, both in specific languages and across languages
20:40:31 <MarkFan8901> maybe there could be something interesting in trying to get constant semantics to do stuff thats interesting
20:40:51 <ais523> hmm, how often is it to get a periodic error quine with a period other than 1?
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20:41:47 <MarkFan8901> ok a quine cycling language would seem to be an fsa
20:42:03 <MarkFan8901> where the state is determined by each program, rather than things *in* the program
20:42:28 <MarkFan8901> like you have to give it program a for it to go into state b, then program b for it to go into state c, etc
20:43:08 <aadenboy> I haven't seen any quine languages which have multiple unique quines; a -> a but also b -> b, or a -> b -> a but also c -> a -> b -> a
20:43:50 <aadenboy> this sounds like some sort of graph
20:43:59 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191661&oldid=191650 * Miui * (-1) /* Constant languages */ typo
20:44:05 <MarkFan8901> how many quines can a language have before its turing complete
20:44:35 <int-e> you can make all programs a quine
20:45:01 <esolangs> [[RNA/rna.c]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191662&oldid=21591 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+30) categorize as implementation, also the "all rights reserved" tells me this might not be public domain but seems like the author put it here themselves
20:45:20 <aadenboy> s -> (input concat): s0 -> 0 -> nil; s1 -> 1 -> 1
20:45:50 <ais523> aadenboy: I did consider a joke "broken quine-avoiding constant language" which always printed string A, unless the input was string B in which case it printed string B
20:46:01 <int-e> MarkFan8901: you can make a "real" programming language in this spirit by carving out a prefix (or other criterion) that interprets a small subset of inputs differently
20:46:08 <ais523> (quine-avoiding constant languages print string B if the input is string A, not if it's string B)
20:46:37 <esolangs> [[GolfBall]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191663 * ASCIIguy * (+763) Created page with "'''GolfBall''' is a golfing language inspired by [[Binary lambda calculus]]. Due to the language's nature, if an ambiguous instruction is given, a greedy algorithm is employed. It was designed to be more usable than BLC, but still very compact. ==Operations and Syntax=
20:46:43 <MarkFan8901> int-e: we were thinking something along the lines of tree rewriting
20:46:46 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191664&oldid=191657 * Miui * (+145) /* Joke/Silly Ideas */
20:46:48 <aadenboy> https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant_language_directory#QuineInvoking()
20:47:02 <Guest82> only 1 quine invoking language on the wiki lol
20:47:16 <ais523> ah, so it isn't a new idea
20:47:23 <MarkFan8901> like what if s0 led to setting two quine states at the same time
20:47:30 <Guest82> QuineInvoking() was on [[ConstantLanguage()]]
20:47:40 <esolangs> [[!Matrix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191665&oldid=171832 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+136) categorization
20:47:46 <MarkFan8901> similar to how a nonterminal can be rewritten to multiple nonterminals in an unrestricted grammar
20:48:06 <aadenboy> QI() could be generalizable; i.e a -> b, b -> b would be QI("a", "b"), QI("b", "b")
20:48:25 <ais523> hmm, this conversation is making me think about a language which, whenever you run it, outputs another program in the same language, and you run it repeatedly to do computation
20:48:35 <ais523> (I made a language like that ages ago, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag)
20:48:46 <ais523> approximately 20 years old
20:48:58 <int-e> TC languages don't need to have quines (this becomes a matter of encoding, which may involve running the same program with many inputs if the output is restricted to two different ones (enough for decision problems))
20:49:33 <MarkFan8901> we remember reading all the talk page about quineless languages when we were like 15 and it blew our minds
20:49:46 <int-e> Counting quines just isn't a very good way to approximate TC-ness.
20:50:08 <MarkFan8901> yea but its still a VERY interesting discussion on whether being tc entails having a quine
20:50:17 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191666&oldid=190523 * Miui * (+26) added link to PROLAN/M for more context on sequential replacement languages
20:50:45 <esolangs> [[Morse-Assembly-Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191667&oldid=170720 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+130) if your joke language can still do computation then it deserves the language category too
20:50:50 <ais523> the difficulty of writing a quine normally depends on how difficult it is for the language to escape strings (and to copy strings, which is usually easier but theoretically might not be in some languages)
20:51:15 <MarkFan8901> something that we thought of was a language that was actually just an array of all possible computations you could do
20:51:25 <MarkFan8901> and a program would simply just be indexing the array for the right one
20:52:34 <ais523> MarkFan8901: I considered that a couple of times
20:52:39 <MarkFan8901> theoretically, you could just make it so that none of the numbers could possibly correspond to any of the output of the computation in question
20:52:42 <ais523> in one case the computations were indexes into OEIS
20:52:45 <esolangs> [[Varstak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191668&oldid=164866 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+8) mark as WIP
20:52:49 <MarkFan8901> but that raises the question of what 'computation' is
20:53:00 <ais523> (which would be difficult to implement because not all OEIS sequences have a program available to compute them)
20:53:19 <aadenboy> OEIS sequences aren't infinite either
20:53:22 <ais523> and in the other they were indexes into anagol challenges, taking the majority vote of all submissions
20:53:51 <MarkFan8901> yea we've also been fascinated by the concept of some "raw" computation
20:54:16 <esolangs> [[Bitwise]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191669&oldid=108876 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+86) some more categorization
20:54:18 <MarkFan8901> which you could manipulate directly to change what a program 'does'
20:54:41 <MarkFan8901> looking back on it it was very pseudomathematical but its still a nice thought we think
20:55:00 <MarkFan8901> pseudomathematical in the same sense of the word pseudoscientific
20:55:43 <esolangs> [[Muon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191670&oldid=160391 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+110) categorization
20:56:05 <MarkFan8901> specifically, one thought we had was that messing with the 'frame' of a problem could expose this 'raw' computation
20:56:17 <MarkFan8901> the canonical example we came up with was a tower of hanoi
20:56:53 <MarkFan8901> imagine you have two different things to simulate a tower of hanoi, an abstract mathematical model and a physical model which used stacking blocks on top of each other
20:56:55 <esolangs> [[Emmental/Printing Code That Prints Code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191671&oldid=149480 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+38) formatting and categorize as example
20:57:21 <MarkFan8901> you can see pretty trivially how they both do 'the same thing'
20:57:49 <esolangs> [[StuLa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191672&oldid=93308 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+59) category 2019 and unknown computational class
20:57:50 <MarkFan8901> but say you had an actual function which could transform the two to each other
20:58:45 <MarkFan8901> where you could 'translate' physically moving a block to a stack and abstractly moving a ring to a stack
20:59:22 <MarkFan8901> now say your physical model has some level of error as you solve it
20:59:47 <MarkFan8901> if that error became significant enough, the blocks would fall
21:00:02 <MarkFan8901> but what if you used that translation function on *that* state?
21:00:25 <MarkFan8901> what would it look like for the abstract model to represent the raw meaning of the blocks having fell over
21:01:10 <MarkFan8901> and another thing, how would the state of the block error be represented in earlier parts of the execution of the abstract model
21:01:35 <ais523> "bisimulation" is the name for two things that can each simulate the other, due to in a sense doing the same computation
21:01:39 <esolangs> [[15]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191673&oldid=168840 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+93) categorization
21:02:13 <ais523> but if your blocks can fall over, it isn't obviously a bisimulation any more
21:02:36 <esolangs> [[Coercionfulity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191674&oldid=121038 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+86) some more categorization
21:02:55 <MarkFan8901> ye but What If You Applied The Bijection Anyway
21:03:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Dropsort]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191675&oldid=127787 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+357) they're the same sorting algorithm with different names
21:03:41 <MarkFan8901> our thought was, would the abstract model represent how physics would work when shoved into the model its using
21:04:24 <MarkFan8901> we were thinking kinda similarly to that one carykh video where he makes a gan which gives you a sliding scale to make someone frown/smile on each end
21:04:41 <MarkFan8901> and then he 'went too far' and slid them WAY off each end to see what would happen
21:05:00 <MarkFan8901> and the faces kind of just, turned into pure colors and shapes
21:05:48 <ais523> so this is basically an extrapolation problem
21:06:20 <ais523> given data points for how two sets correspond to each other, work out what the correspondence would be for values outside the sets
21:06:33 <ais523> I don't think there's a general solution to that (although there are special cases which can be solved)
21:06:40 <MarkFan8901> like we think its kind of a natural question if you start with the idea that machine learning is intended to approximate functions which don't have a precise definition
21:06:57 <MarkFan8901> then ask what would happen if you actually *did* figure out what function you were approximating
21:07:04 <esolangs> [[Tiltedc]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191676&oldid=96968 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+95) categorization, also they should make TiltedC++ next
21:07:16 <MarkFan8901> like in carykhs video, recognizing emotion from faces
21:07:55 <MarkFan8901> what would happen if you *did* have an exact function you could toy around with to see what happens 'out of bounds' relative to how real life actually works
21:09:25 <aadenboy> reminds me of a graphing calculator I made once, where it would determine pixel color based on equivalence (less, equal, greater), and it would produce weird results at positions for functions which normally aren't defined at those locations
21:09:52 <esolangs> [[Lamp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191677&oldid=91074 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+59) categorization
21:10:32 <MarkFan8901> but with just difference instead of iteration
21:10:59 <MarkFan8901> we still need to introduce ourselves hold on :sob:
21:12:12 <esolangs> [[Imapl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191678&oldid=45334 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+98) categorization
21:13:53 <esolangs> [[Everyday]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191679&oldid=164965 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+135) categorization
21:15:03 <esolangs> [[Compose]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191680&oldid=62133 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+133) some more categorization, mark as WIP
21:15:58 <esolangs> [[Alphacode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191681&oldid=166936 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+135) categorization
21:16:06 <MarkFan8901> it says we have to be a user to edit the page
21:17:36 <esolangs> [[1 8 1 8 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191682&oldid=157004 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+68) unimplemented + unknown computational class
21:18:07 <MarkFan8901> we didnt save logging in to our cookies so it just immediately logged back out when we went to the edit page
21:18:37 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191683&oldid=191658 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+91) /* 2026 - mesmerizer */
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21:23:12 <aadenboy> unrelated, I've been thinking of adding a command to iterate that just prints the null byte (0x00) since the loop semantics don't allow any way to do that normally
21:23:37 <aadenboy> might go against the feel of it, though it could go in tandem with the `$` commands
21:24:18 <aadenboy> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Iterate ; I've described it as a language with only `for` loops
21:29:51 <esolangs> [[Tonk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191685&oldid=191533 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+986) /* Commands */ add some more tanks
21:37:17 <esolangs> [[Tonk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191686&oldid=191685 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+662) /* Commands */ some theme for the Sporulator branch
21:38:53 <esolangs> [[Tonk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191687&oldid=191686 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+125) /* Commands */ the amount of times I typed "at the victim's location" is definitely making the fbi suspicious
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21:52:28 <esolangs> [[Tonk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191688&oldid=191687 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1124) /* Commands */
21:53:07 <esolangs> [[Tonk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191689&oldid=191688 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-1) /* Commands */
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22:11:59 <esolangs> [[BackroomsTDP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191691&oldid=191634 * Miui * (+127)
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22:39:22 <esolangs> [[BackroomsTDP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191692&oldid=191691 * Miui * (+41) Add a computational class. Theorem: I dont know, nor do I think it is very well classified. I've spent years thinking about it and decided to post it to esolangs because either it simply is unknown by stratification or the creator (me) simply doesnt know.
22:46:35 <esolangs> [[BackroomsTDP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191693&oldid=191692 * Miui * (+88) /* See also */ Added a link to an example output.
22:54:27 <int-e> Oh the Anubis discussion continued? I think Anubis got popular because it was unreasonably effective for a lot longer than anyone could reasonably expect. But it's over now.
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23:25:47 <b_jonas> MarkFan8901: that sounds like https://esolangs.org/wiki////
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00:31:17 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/WSAP]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191694 * Miui * (+291) draft a page which i wish to create
00:56:07 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/WSAP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191695&oldid=191694 * Miui * (+1599) continue sketching WS&AP lang. add explanatory draft of the instruction set as well as a reference guide for symbol comprehension.
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01:14:19 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/WSAP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191696&oldid=191695 * Miui * (+119) /* explanatory draft of the 2 instructions */
01:32:26 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191697&oldid=191661 * Miui * (+26) /* drafts */ add a memo for one of my drafts to the drafts section
02:02:38 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191698&oldid=191697 * Miui * (+34) /* miscellany */ add a warning to the stratification page that it was generated by AI
02:22:30 <esolangs> [[Password generator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191699&oldid=191656 * Hotcrystal0 * (-31) this
02:29:09 <esolangs> [[Password generator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191700&oldid=191699 * Aadenboy * (-20) formatting?
02:30:44 <esolangs> [[Thue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191701&oldid=182849 * MarkFan8901 * (+81) /* External resources */
02:36:18 <esolangs> [[Miui's 2026]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191702&oldid=189755 * Miui * (+38) ill probably move this to anti-human design lang if it gets approved by the other contributors
02:50:25 <esolangs> [[.:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191703&oldid=191162 * Miui * (+44) /* See also */ add mirror of deleted page for context
02:54:19 <esolangs> [[FlamePL/Python Interpreter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191704&oldid=191482 * PrySigneToFry * (+485)
02:55:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:FlamePL/Python Interpreter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191705&oldid=191506 * PrySigneToFry * (+171)
03:07:50 <esolangs> [[FlamePL/Python Interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191706&oldid=191704 * PrySigneToFry * (-2234)
03:09:57 <esolangs> [[FlamePL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191707&oldid=191481 * PrySigneToFry * (-1)
03:22:24 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Stratification]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191708&oldid=191420 * Miui * (+37) I have moved the page to my personal wiki
03:35:52 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191709&oldid=191698 * Miui * (+29) /* drafts */ propose page on "Infomatics"
03:37:46 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Infomatics]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191710 * Miui * (+472) Create draft page and include suggested reading.
03:39:24 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Infomatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191711&oldid=191710 * Miui * (-190) /* Suggested reading */ deleted weaponize text leftovers
03:48:03 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/WSAP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191712&oldid=191696 * Miui * (+4) /* explanatory draft of the 2 instructions */ formatting page
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03:54:17 <esolangs> [[PROLAN/M]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191713&oldid=72623 * Miui * (+1) fix typo ("Infomatics") -> ("Informatics")
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04:28:41 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191715&oldid=190207 * PrySigneToFry * (+11) Added my middle name
04:30:50 <esolangs> [[PROLAN/M]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191716&oldid=191714 * Miui * (+64) /* External resources */ add codeberg repo
04:32:52 <esolangs> [[Gift]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191717&oldid=186995 * PrySigneToFry * (+2295)
04:33:55 <esolangs> [[PROLAN/M]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191718&oldid=191716 * Miui * (+72) /* External resources */ add gitea repo
04:59:52 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191719&oldid=191534 * Cordership * (+69) /* Syntax */
05:00:08 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191720&oldid=191719 * Cordership * (+4) /* Syntax */
05:00:51 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191721&oldid=191720 * Cordership * (+49) /* Primes using Erastothenes sieve */
05:02:13 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191722&oldid=191721 * Cordership * (+1) /* Euler-Mascheroni constant to desired precision */
05:04:57 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191723&oldid=191007 * Cordership * (+31)
05:05:14 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191724&oldid=191723 * Cordership * (+5)
05:05:32 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191725&oldid=191724 * Cordership * (+20) /* Rules */
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05:47:29 <esolangs> [[Nope. with no quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191726&oldid=191660 * Ractangle * (-647) the specs say that invisible charecters are disallowed!
05:59:05 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Sorano7 * New user account
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06:14:27 <MarkFan8901> when you rewrite your code and halve the loc in your whole repo:
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06:24:11 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191727&oldid=191709 * Miui * (+4059) move .: to WIP section
06:25:33 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191728&oldid=191727 * Miui * (-4059) squatters logging people out
06:25:58 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191729&oldid=191728 * Miui * (+3) move .: to WIP section
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07:26:15 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191732&oldid=191722 * Cordership * (+1896) /* Inheritance and polymorphism: */
07:27:41 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191733&oldid=191732 * Cordership * (+112) /* Finding errors */
07:30:26 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Infomatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191734&oldid=191711 * Miui * (+38) failed to put it in the /drafts section of my userspace. and i spelled it wrong and it makes me want to cringe
07:32:09 <esolangs> [[The Second Coming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191735&oldid=186351 * Cordership * (+68) /* Chapter 7: Meta Programming */
07:38:54 <esolangs> [[User talk:Cordership]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191736&oldid=191268 * Cordership * (+86) /* Collab? */
07:42:13 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Informatics]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191737 * Miui * (+381) Created page with "=Example= <center> <br> +<br> <br> _______________________________________________________________________________ <br>1</center>"
07:42:54 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Informatics]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191738&oldid=191737 * Miui * (+8) /* Example */
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07:50:47 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Informatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191739&oldid=191738 * Miui * (+449)
07:51:33 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Informatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191740&oldid=191739 * Miui * (+24) fix typo
07:52:22 <esolangs> [[Informatics]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191741 * Miui * (+862) Create page
07:53:20 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191742&oldid=191729 * Miui * (+49) /* miscellany */
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09:16:46 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191743&oldid=191733 * Cordership * (+1472) /* Finding errors */
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09:27:16 <esolangs> [[NumberPankackes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191744&oldid=115916 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+109) more categorization
09:30:43 <esolangs> [[Timeline]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191745&oldid=158015 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+62) mark as two-dimensional
09:31:36 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191746&oldid=190992 * Dragoneater67 * (+212)
09:32:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Dragoneater67 * moved [[Category:Golfing language]] to [[Category:Golfing languages]]: Misspelled title
09:32:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Dragoneater67 * moved [[Category talk:Golfing language]] to [[Category talk:Golfing languages]]: Misspelled title
09:32:59 <esolangs> [[!aoQ):]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191751&oldid=145009 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:33:21 <esolangs> [['Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191752&oldid=151372 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:33:39 <esolangs> [[,,,]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191753&oldid=159125 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:33:56 <esolangs> [[05AB1E]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191754&oldid=157029 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:34:11 <esolangs> [[256]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191755&oldid=156681 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:34:15 <esolangs> [[Problemang Sikat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191756&oldid=191155 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:34:28 <esolangs> [[?index.php]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191757&oldid=190840 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:34:29 <esolangs> [[Over-Objective Programming Language (Opal)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191758&oldid=137928 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:34:46 <esolangs> [[FlogScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191759&oldid=170567 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:34:50 <esolangs> [[@]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191760&oldid=100739 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:35:02 <esolangs> [[Partitioned]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191761&oldid=84282 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:35:18 <esolangs> [[A very minimal esolang with a very few amount of instructions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191762&oldid=127649 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:35:18 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191763&oldid=89065 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:35:33 <esolangs> [[AGSPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191764&oldid=118359 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:35:37 <esolangs> [[Py256]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191765&oldid=98021 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:35:44 <esolangs> [[Anyfix]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191766&oldid=120696 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:35:59 <esolangs> [[Pyth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191767&oldid=136288 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:36:16 <esolangs> [[Sclipting]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191768&oldid=135662 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:36:31 <esolangs> [[Reciprocal Lenguage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191769&oldid=134063 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:36:56 <esolangs> [[GolFunc]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191770&oldid=112559 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:37:06 <esolangs> [[GolfText]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191771&oldid=186997 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:37:14 <esolangs> [[AnyGolf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191772&oldid=151292 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
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09:37:31 <esolangs> [[ASCII @]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191774&oldid=100746 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:37:46 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck 2.0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191775&oldid=158498 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:37:46 <esolangs> [[APOL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191776&oldid=169842 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:37:59 <esolangs> [[Arn]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191777&oldid=76681 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
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09:38:18 <esolangs> [[Jelly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191779&oldid=88556 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:38:21 <esolangs> [[Aya]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191780&oldid=67509 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:38:32 <esolangs> [[Backtick]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191781&oldid=174306 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
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09:39:37 <esolangs> [[Brachylog]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191786&oldid=139876 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
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09:40:00 <esolangs> [[Braingolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191788&oldid=133166 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:40:08 <esolangs> [[Brainterpart]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191789&oldid=185213 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:40:14 <esolangs> [[Brianfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191790&oldid=139911 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:40:21 <esolangs> [[Burlesque]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191791&oldid=68690 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:40:40 <esolangs> [[Categorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191792&oldid=182790 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:40:47 <esolangs> [[CJam]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191793&oldid=139913 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:40:55 <esolangs> [[CJKGolfer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191794&oldid=155782 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:41:03 <esolangs> [[Comp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191795&oldid=75580 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:41:10 <esolangs> [[Complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191796&oldid=176496 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:41:33 <esolangs> [[CompressedBF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191797&oldid=139231 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:41:40 <esolangs> [[Count]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191798&oldid=78987 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:41:46 <esolangs> [[Cry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191799&oldid=103557 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:42:07 <esolangs> [[EmojiGolf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191800&oldid=139916 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:42:09 <esolangs> [[DDDD]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191801&oldid=101119 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:42:17 <esolangs> [[DSL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191802&oldid=131607 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:42:26 <esolangs> [[Dynamic Contraction System]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191803&oldid=79508 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
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09:45:54 <esolangs> [[EGSHEL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191824&oldid=79348 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:46:08 <esolangs> [[Element]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191825&oldid=134459 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
09:46:22 <esolangs> [[EternalGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191826&oldid=183010 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:46:29 <esolangs> [[Exechars]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191827&oldid=143816 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
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09:48:23 <esolangs> [[Golf (A)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191842&oldid=74967 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
09:48:43 <esolangs> [[H - Q -]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191843&oldid=118693 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
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09:50:51 <esolangs> [[Literally every golflang ever/Esopage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191859&oldid=107353 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) "Golfing language" -> "Golfing languages"
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09:53:51 <esolangs> [[Vyxal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191882&oldid=163718 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
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09:54:52 <esolangs> [[Category:Golfing language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191885&oldid=191748 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+91) Add to candidates for deletion; category has been renamed and this is a leftover redirect
09:55:19 <esolangs> [[Category:Golfing language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191886&oldid=191885 * Dragoneater67 * (-43) remove the redirect
09:55:55 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Golfing language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191887&oldid=191750 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+41) Add to candidates for deletion; category has been renamed and this is a leftover redirect to its talk page
09:57:07 <dragoneater67> there are some other categories that may need renaming
09:57:30 <dragoneater67> we should include naming/creation conventions in Esolang:Categorization so that future categories wont have such issues
09:57:31 <raiseafloppafanI> You mean like Audio Output, Graphical Output, and Two-dimensional languages/Multi-dimensional languages/Zero-dimensional?
09:58:04 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191888&oldid=191746 * Dragoneater67 * (+13) amazing
10:00:01 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191889&oldid=191888 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+828) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */ What do we do about Zero-dimensional and Multi-dimensional languages?
10:06:58 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191890&oldid=190860 * Dragoneater67 * (+175)
10:07:47 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191891&oldid=191889 * Dragoneater67 * (+179)
10:08:06 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191892&oldid=191890 * Dragoneater67 * (+1) rename
10:33:05 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191893&oldid=191891 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+345) /* category: input only */ why is Category:Input only not listed here?
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10:43:03 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191894&oldid=191893 * Dragoneater67 * (+240) 67
10:49:47 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191895&oldid=191894 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1069) /* category: input only */ ok? my defense for input only
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11:18:43 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191896&oldid=191595 * Dragoneater67 * (+88) its back
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11:42:35 <esolangs> [[IF UPPERCASE KEYWORDS == ESOTERIC THEN DIE ELSE DIE END]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191898&oldid=191206 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+569) /* Computational class */ TC subset
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11:47:24 <esolangs> [[IF UPPERCASE KEYWORDS == ESOTERIC THEN DIE ELSE DIE END]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191899&oldid=191898 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+64) /* Features */ ???
11:48:56 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Category:Golfing language]]": redirect left over after category was renamed (and in the category namespace, such redirects don't work, so there's no reason to leave them around)
11:48:56 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Category talk:Golfing language]]": Deleted together with the associated page with reason: redirect left over after category was renamed (and in the category namespace, such redirects don't work, so there's no reason to leave them around)
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11:58:34 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191900&oldid=191897 * Dragoneater67 * (+363) cat
12:02:56 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191901&oldid=191900 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-39) remove wrong cats
12:04:34 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191902&oldid=191901 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+4) /* Overview */ link
12:05:31 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191903&oldid=191743 * Cordership * (+16) /* FizzBuzz */
12:05:42 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191904&oldid=191902 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+75) mm i love referring to myself in third person
12:06:51 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191905&oldid=191903 * Cordership * (+2) /* FizzBuzz */
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12:59:47 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191913&oldid=191912 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+185) /* 2026 - mesmerizer */
13:38:04 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191914&oldid=191895 * PkmnQ * (+204) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */
13:40:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191915 * Miui * (+106) Created page with "Maybe add a 420blazeeit! command? ~~~~"
13:41:37 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191916&oldid=191914 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+515) /* Esolang:Categorization#Languages is inconsistent */ i probably should have explained why i think that
13:57:56 <esolangs> [[RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191917&oldid=190077 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (-6916) finalize moving specification off-wiki
14:03:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:Malloc]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191918&oldid=188655 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+474) very funny prank
14:07:45 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/WSAP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191919&oldid=191712 * Miui * (+594) finish writing up draft for language, categorized as a joke and organized article. wrote up the various aspect descriptions.
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14:14:02 <esolangs> [[Ghmi-Asden Tnauin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191920&oldid=191731 * PrySigneToFry * (+179)
14:14:52 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/WSAP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191921&oldid=191919 * Miui * (+50) final corrections, added redirect. moving to main wiki
14:17:55 <esolangs> [[WSAP]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191922 * Miui * (+2636) Create page
14:21:03 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191923&oldid=191742 * Miui * (+115) /* actually hilarious */ add WSAP to section
14:22:09 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191924&oldid=191515 * Miui * (+14) /* W */ add WSAP
14:26:38 <esolangs> [[The Thought Police]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191925&oldid=190486 * Miui * (+62) add WSAP to see also with a note about how silly advanced scenarios can get.
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14:36:59 <int-e> ...why do I feel that those aren't meant to be programming languages
14:42:33 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191926&oldid=191905 * Cordership * (+300)
14:43:31 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191927&oldid=191926 * Cordership * (+75) /* Module 2: Turtle */
14:46:34 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191928&oldid=191927 * Cordership * (+185) /* Modules */
14:47:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:Satans Disciples GangLang $]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191929&oldid=191637 * Miui * (+511) add a description of "On topic but not OK" type of condition in the contributor's opinion.
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15:27:56 <esolangs> [[Nah.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191931&oldid=191553 * Miui * (+102) add external resources
15:37:40 <esolangs> [[LaserFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191932&oldid=189088 * Bangyen * (+2)
15:37:58 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191933&oldid=190897 * Miui * (+303) improve specification
15:38:26 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/interpreter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191934&oldid=191933 * Miui * (-1) /* Ting Vit interpreter */ Hy loi b cc li
15:38:53 <esolangs> [[3D Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191935&oldid=189069 * Bangyen * (+67)
16:11:25 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191936&oldid=191913 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+47)
16:21:01 <esolangs> [[Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191937&oldid=181476 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) fix redlink
16:21:39 <esolangs> [[Esoteric programming language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191938&oldid=186262 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+1) /* Brevity */ fix redlink
16:25:08 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Informatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191939&oldid=191740 * Miui * (+234) drafting further contributions to Informatics page
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16:48:41 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Informatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191941&oldid=191939 * Miui * (+315) draft introduction and expository section "As a basis for esolangs"
16:49:59 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191942&oldid=191940 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+116)
16:51:31 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191943&oldid=191601 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+245) QUESTion mARK
16:53:38 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191944&oldid=191943 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+373) /* wHATs wITh the gIbbeRISh??. */ ofjOWJF)(op3qj[pg]egep[
16:54:57 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Informatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191945&oldid=191941 * Miui * (+531)
16:56:16 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Informatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191946&oldid=191945 * Miui * (+10) /* Interpretation */ further drafting
16:58:11 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191947&oldid=191944 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+224) /* wHATs wITh the gIbbeRISh??. */
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17:02:27 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Informatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191949&oldid=191946 * Miui * (+300) further drafting. added explanation of interpretation and description of assembly
17:03:22 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Informatics]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191950&oldid=191949 * Miui * (+1) /* Assembly */ fixing some punctuation
17:10:41 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Informatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191951&oldid=191950 * Miui * (+165) /* Assembly */ drafting assembly description/explanation
17:18:00 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Informatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191952&oldid=191951 * Miui * (+2000) /* Assembly */ add instruction set for example program
17:23:07 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Informatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191953&oldid=191952 * Miui * (+358) Finish drafting page expansion, moving to main
17:24:42 <esolangs> [[Informatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191954&oldid=191741 * Miui * (+3879) Expand page with descriptions/explanations of examples, introduction and relevant links + external resources
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17:42:20 <esolangs> [[Langton's ant]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191955&oldid=170632 * ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing * (+153)
17:46:43 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Draft]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191956 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+7922) draft my best work ever that is so great my keyboard will spontaneously combust, annihilating my house because it is too great
17:47:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191957&oldid=191948 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+370) /* wHATs wITh the gIbbeRISh??. */ THeroseressyms ypousr soansdwar
17:50:09 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Draft]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191958&oldid=191956 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+164) /* Exam */
17:50:51 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Draft]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191959&oldid=191958 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+98)
17:52:05 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191960&oldid=191942 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+373) /* My favorite esolangs that I made/worked on */
17:57:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Infomatics93.jpg]]"
17:57:48 <esolangs> [[Informatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191962&oldid=191954 * Miui * (+155) add logo and before 1993 category
18:01:07 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191963&oldid=191960 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+82) /* favorite things in general */
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18:30:06 <esolangs> [[Anti-alias tank]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191965 * Assembly * (+1175) Created page with "'''Anti-alias tank''' is a language which is somehow both [[Turing-complete]] and not Turing-complete, this involving no randomness whatsoever. == Commands == please don't == G A S O L I N E == ok fine * so there is a singular AT&T. The AT&T contains all the k
18:30:57 <esolangs> [[Anti-alias tank]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191966&oldid=191965 * Assembly * (+81) /* But WHAT makes it turing complete? */
18:34:54 <esolangs> [[Retrograde]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191967&oldid=190478 * ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing * (+520)
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18:48:49 <esolangs> [[Oh Wow anOther generic esoteric programming langUage Wow yoU are so creative]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191968 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+6231) worst. meta-language. ever.
18:49:26 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191969&oldid=191963 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+147) /* 2026-present - aeopgj30jgewjgoejg90eGko3g */ add Oh Wow anOther generic esoteric programming langUage Wow yoU are so creative
18:50:04 <esolangs> [[Oh Wow anOther generic esoteric programming langUage Wow yoU are so creative]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191970&oldid=191968 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+0) ?????????????
18:54:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:Informatics]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191971 * Blashyrkh * (+145) Copyrights violation?
19:06:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[File:Infomatics93.jpg]]": a) offtopic, b) creating logos for esolangs is dubious but this is a logo for a non-esolang page which doesn't make any sense (and would be offtopic to host here)
19:06:54 <ais523> err, I meant to say it was a copyright violation too, but I wrote the same reason twice by mistake
19:07:08 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] restore * Ais523 * undeleted "[[File:Infomatics93.jpg]]": fixing deletion reason
19:07:24 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[File:Infomatics93.jpg]]": a) probable copyright violation, b) creating logos for esolangs is dubious but this is a logo for a non-esolang page which doesn't make any sense (and would be offtopic to host here)
19:07:31 <int-e> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d792ef7e <-- not happy about seeing this kind of space sensitivity (radare2)
19:10:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Informatics]]": a) not an esolang, b) describes a concept which might or might not be ontopic in a way that provides no useful information, meaning that the current page isn't useful
19:11:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:Informatics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191972&oldid=191971 * Ais523 * (+447) two reasons to delete the logo, also I deleted the page
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19:16:29 <esolangs> [[Oh Wow anOther generic esoteric programming langUage Wow yoU are so creative]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191973&oldid=191970 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+434) /* Commands */
19:16:55 <int-e> Well, eww: https://github.com/radareorg/radare2/blob/master/libr/util/math.c#L453-L455 (and subsequent code, but apparently spaces become part of identifiers here)
19:25:35 <esolangs> [[Oh Wow anOther generic esoteric programming langUage Wow yoU are so creative]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191974&oldid=191973 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+412) /* Examples */
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19:28:38 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191975&oldid=191969 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+83)
19:34:42 <esolangs> [[Anti-alias tank]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191976&oldid=191966 * Ais523 * (-40) this is inherently impossible to implement without being uncomputable, which I think is enough to make it a joke language only; also it's basically just a concept rather than a spec which also makes it fit in much better with the joke languages
19:37:03 <esolangs> [[Anti-alias tank]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191977&oldid=191976 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+18) year cat, also where did the AT&T get all of this knowledge
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20:28:44 <int-e> FWIW, the real crimes are happening around here: https://github.com/radareorg/radare2/blob/master/libr/core/cmd_flag.inc.c#L1196 and 1219 and 1231
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21:30:03 <esolangs> [[User:5anz/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191978&oldid=190383 * 5anz * (+3318)
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21:58:51 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191979&oldid=191975 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+4) /* my esolangs */
22:12:13 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Basilisk * New user account
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22:17:05 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191980&oldid=191923 * Miui * (+17) /* miscellany */ putting the informatics page in my userspace
22:24:28 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191981&oldid=191684 * Basilisk * (+331) added introduction
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22:53:53 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191982&oldid=189021 * Basilisk * (+128) /* Sandbox */
22:54:31 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191983&oldid=191982 * Basilisk * (-29) /* Sandbox */
22:54:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191984&oldid=191983 * Basilisk * (-99) /* Some subsection */
23:02:47 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191985&oldid=191980 * Miui * (+90) /* miscellany */ add link to san-D box
23:10:08 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191986&oldid=191985 * Miui * (-1) /* miscellany */ remove extra bracket
23:10:31 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191987&oldid=191986 * Miui * (-1) /* miscellany */ remove extra bracket
23:14:02 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191988&oldid=190078 * Miui * (+241) give an initial briefing as to what one shuold expect, and give reasoning as to why this is not being used as pastebin (which admittedly I have done, and will try to remediate such behavior)
23:20:06 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191989&oldid=191988 * Miui * (+781)
23:21:01 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191990&oldid=191989 * Miui * (+334)
23:24:15 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191991&oldid=191990 * Miui * (+45)
23:26:27 <esolangs> [[User:Basilisk]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191992 * Basilisk * (+242) Initial commit
23:33:22 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191993&oldid=191991 * Miui * (+60) It will need to be able to cat the the 4th line as well as be able to perform the PROLAN adder program
23:39:50 <esolangs> [[VoidPtr]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191994 * Basilisk * (+369) info box
23:40:31 <esolangs> [[VoidPtr]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191995&oldid=191994 * Basilisk * (-13)
23:44:03 <esolangs> [[User:Basilisk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191996&oldid=191992 * Basilisk * (+52)
23:48:45 <esolangs> [[VoidPtr]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191997&oldid=191995 * Basilisk * (+121)
23:51:08 <esolangs> [[VoidPtr]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191998&oldid=191997 * Basilisk * (+89) Overview 1 - comments
23:58:30 <esolangs> [[VoidPtr]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191999&oldid=191998 * Basilisk * (+326) /* Overview */