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00:01:19 <esowiki> [[Dotcomma]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78271 * Redwolf10105 * (+7191) Created page (copied from Github repo)
00:02:19 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78272&oldid=78259 * Redwolf10105 * (+15)
00:13:55 <delta23> so, i've been thinking
00:14:03 <delta23> if there was a variant of brainfuck with only
00:14:08 <delta23> <>+-
00:14:19 <delta23> but with the difference that programs could be infinitely long
00:14:32 <delta23> would that make it turing complete?
00:16:56 <Arcorann> Doubtful, since you've removed all the commands that depend on the state of memory
00:17:45 <delta23> shouldn't it be possible to implement conditionals based on these? the program would be really large if possible..
00:17:59 <Arcorann> Conditioning on what?
00:18:32 <delta23> ie simulating a turing machine using the above and simulating conditional flow
00:19:30 <Arcorann> Question still stands: what would the conditionals depend on
00:19:49 <delta23> i'm not sure
00:20:20 <delta23> i've been trying to figure out if it's possible to do that without looping/explicit conditionals
00:25:21 <delta23> i know that the above instructions are at least as powerful as a linear bounded automata if said infinite program repeats infinitely(ie within a infinite loop)
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01:38:58 <delta23> ah nvm
01:39:20 <delta23> it seems somebody has done something similar b4
01:40:04 <Arcorann> Link?
01:42:00 <delta23> https://github.com/ebuswell/noneleatic (they needed to add some more functionality and also self-modification to get it to be turing complete)
02:04:42 <imode> tends to be the case unless you have explicit conditionals.
02:09:38 <zzo38> What if you add a catch block for value out of range?
02:24:26 <int-e> tromp: hmm, not a hard one though (re: ponder)
02:34:12 <int-e> I think I prefer the ones that benefit from a bit of programming.
02:41:29 <int-e> `learn The password of the month is Florida Recount 2.0
02:41:32 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is Florida Recount 2.0
02:46:28 <shachaf> Uh oh.
02:46:37 <shachaf> I guess it's time to vote.
02:56:36 <zzo38> Do you like my idea of "Malaclypse the Younger" Un-card? (This card makes all intervening if clauses true, including keyword abilities (such as evolve).)
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04:55:07 <zzo38> Does any pinball game have progressive difficulty for extra balls?
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08:11:08 <tromp> int-e: yes, easy but cute. even the bonus is easy,
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13:01:09 <esowiki> [[Talk:Queuenanimous]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78274&oldid=78270 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+247) /* Definition of [ and ] */ Will clarify in article
13:02:26 <esowiki> [[Queuenanimous]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78275&oldid=74923 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+80) /* Commands */ Clarify
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13:20:28 <rain1> https://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/challenges/November2020.html i dont understand. what list of numbers do you start with?
13:23:14 <rain1> i get it
13:32:03 <b_jonas> `olist 1218
13:32:07 <HackEso> olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1218.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
13:32:44 <rain1> i dont think i can do this ponder - i had a look at easier cases like 7 and 127 but i kinda dont understand what to do
13:33:02 <int-e> rain1: so ponder it
13:33:55 <int-e> also don't talk about it too much, you might spoil things
13:39:03 <rain1> is there a place i can ask about this without spoiling?
13:43:29 <int-e> I don't really know... get a friend interested, talk to them in private :P
13:48:51 <b_jonas> or you could wait a month and then ask here when the challenge isn't so fresh
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13:49:10 <int-e> there is that
13:50:04 <b_jonas> or perhaps look for one of these web-based message boards with their newfangled HTML technology, they tend to be more structured than IRC so it's easier to hide a spoiler such that people who don't want to read it yet won't accidentally see it
13:50:18 <int-e> This one isn't really all that amenable to hints that aren't spoilers. Generic problem solving advice applies, of course... work forward, work backwards, try to show that it can't be done to get ideas, sleep on it, blah.
13:50:42 <b_jonas> (youngsters and their formatted text and bulky servers that archive everything...)
13:51:01 <Arcorann> There's always ROT13
13:51:15 <int-e> sure we can do rot13 a month from now
13:52:04 <rain1> jul pna'g lbh whfg fgneg jvgu gur gnetrg ahzore va lbhe yvfg?
13:52:15 <int-e> Arcorann: this one has a small but relevant competetive component
13:52:27 <Arcorann> Fair enough
13:53:40 <int-e> > 2^31 - 1 > 1000000000 -- ebg13 jbexf ernyyl jryy sbe guvf
13:53:43 <lambdabot> True
13:54:06 <rain1> lol
13:54:47 <rain1> oh that clarifies the meaning of "remaining number" for me
14:00:47 <Arcorann> ebg13 jbexf ernyyl jryy sbe guvf <-- http://rot8000.com/Index
14:05:40 <rain1> would someone check my solution please?
14:05:50 <rain1> i can PM it
14:06:16 <rain1> Arcorann, is that chinese?
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14:12:05 <Arcorann> I don't mind checking your solution
14:12:42 <fizzie> Depends on what you put in. But most of the BMP is the CJK unified ideographs (4E00-9FFF), so that's quite likely to be where you land in.
14:13:10 <b_jonas> yeah, pastebins work too, put the spoiler in a pasted page, the non-spoiler part with a link in irc
14:38:23 <b_jonas> eval "$(cat somefile)" instead of source somefile . gets today's useless use of cat award.
14:40:02 <int-e> Is it completely useless? If `somefile` is a pipe special file this ensures that EOF is reached before evaluation starts ;)
14:40:28 <b_jonas> int-e: dunno, I think it's worse than useless
14:40:43 <b_jonas> as in it might break in some case
14:40:54 <b_jonas> but I don't know any case when it would actually break
14:40:58 <int-e> I'm just looking for a semantic difference and pretend it's a feature.
14:41:36 <int-e> if you're fresh out of PIDs or root file system, then the `cat` invocation may fail.
14:41:53 <b_jonas> int-e: let's say it's a performance difference: we're no longer in the DOS age where the shell has to keep re-reading the same sector of the batch file before each command just to save memory
14:42:17 <b_jonas> but then source with bash doesn't do that anymore, it has proper buffers behind it
14:42:32 <b_jonas> so it does the optimization better than requiring to read the whole file at once
14:43:04 <int-e> to be clear, I'd write `source somefile` or `. somefile` under most circumstances.
14:43:09 <b_jonas> I guess they differ in how they treat the positional parameters $@
14:43:39 <int-e> but that's not stopping me from finding a narrow use for the cat thing :P
14:44:09 <int-e> (Especially since I recently saw a whole script wrapped in a subshell for a similar purpose)
14:44:37 <int-e> Namely, here: https://get-ghcup.haskell.org/
14:45:14 <b_jonas> normally I'd say that eval "$(cat somefile)" is worse because if something fails, the backtrace won't be able to show the correct filename and line number into the source code, but for the shell this doesn't actually apply, it doesn't show filenames and line numbers anyway I think
14:45:29 * int-e notes the channel name.
14:45:43 <b_jonas> int-e: how about, it's easy to change from cat to zcat to transparently execute possibly compressed source files?
14:45:47 * int-e rejects all notions of utility.
14:46:14 <int-e> generalizing to zcat is cute too
14:46:32 <int-e> though I expect . <(zcat file) to work.
14:46:44 <int-e> (in bash)
14:47:46 <b_jonas> well ok, but that pipe substitution is a "new" feature (in that I started to write scripts in bash before bash 2, back when it didn't even have the ${foo/bar/qux} substring substitution... I'm old)
14:47:59 <b_jonas> so perhaps the eval was written before that existed
14:48:22 <int-e> The pipe substitution is the best thing bash ever stole from zsh.
14:48:45 <int-e> (At least that's where I think I saw it first.)
14:49:15 <int-e> I'm using it *a lot*.
14:49:17 <b_jonas> isn't the {1..20} numeric brace thing the best thing bash ever stole from zsh?
14:49:49 <int-e> stuff like comm -12 <(... | sort) <(... | sort)
14:50:10 <int-e> But I'm using the {01..20} thing much less.
14:52:34 <b_jonas> I'm using the brace numerics a lot when I move photos to category directories after I copy them from the memory card of the camera, since I generally have contiguous sequences of more than two photos that I took at the same location and that go into the same category
14:53:19 <b_jonas> so it's like mv -vi tmp/P11901{08..13}.JPG bp/ferenc/
14:53:24 <int-e> sure
14:53:56 <int-e> It's useful, it just feels comparatively mundane.
14:54:04 <b_jonas> hmm, now I actually have to look up if I have a P11901{08..13} and which category they're in
14:55:39 <b_jonas> not yet, that number is in the future apparently
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15:36:37 <fizzie> I do, and they're a subset of the source images of a panorama (p1190107-114.jpg) taken from https://www.espoo.fi/en-us/housing_and_environment/Streets_and_Transport/Pedestrian_and_bicycle_traffic/Espoos_Waterfront_Walkway back in 2013.
15:37:42 <fizzie> http://zem.fi/tmp/p1190107-114.jpg
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15:52:48 <rain1> are there other ponders that you recommend?
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16:26:44 <b_jonas> rain1: it's not from that series, but there's always the mind bug https://esolangs.org/logs/2019-08.html#llj that we tried to optimize last year, and I should probably eventually get back to it, but I realized that the method that I wanted to use wouldn't quite work, so I'll have to figure out what exactly to do
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16:48:36 <rain1> whew it looks tough for me
16:57:27 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78276&oldid=78265 * Hiromi-mi * (+145) /* Introductions */
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16:59:03 <limbo_> hello
16:59:41 <limbo_> is this an occult channel
17:00:05 <myname> have a look at the topic
17:00:26 <esowiki> [[Waduzitdo]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78277&oldid=63151 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) Category languages
17:00:29 <myname> `welcome limbo_
17:00:31 <HackEso> limbo_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <https://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
17:04:04 <limbo_> um im not a programmer
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17:11:53 <int-e> `grwp occult
17:11:58 <HackEso> tea:Tea is concentrated fuel made by distilling occult herbs in a silver alambic. Americans attempted to reduce its potency by dumping some in the Ocean.
17:12:27 <myname> no, the ocean is now obviously a giant cup of tee
17:12:31 <myname> *tea
17:12:47 <int-e> "attempted"
17:37:38 <b_jonas> wait, it has to be in a silver alambic? so that's what I was doing wrong!
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19:05:13 <b_jonas> `? spangle
19:05:15 <HackEso> spangle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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00:48:18 <esowiki> [[Numobin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78279&oldid=8735 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-6) Shorten 0
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05:00:12 <esowiki> [[Numobin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78280&oldid=78279 * Tetrapyronia * (+54) Added/Improved numbers up to 7, fixed 0 to work anywhere
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08:06:23 <esowiki> [[Minasm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78281&oldid=78260 * OsmineYT * (+5) Added CR
08:13:02 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78282&oldid=77462 * OsmineYT * (+23)
08:13:18 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78283&oldid=78282 * OsmineYT * (-14)
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09:51:37 <esowiki> [[( )fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78285&oldid=74649 * Glubs9 * (+2987) Added an example of hello world (taken from the [[Brainfuck]] page, from the current smallest version). Also ended the Table.
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10:48:39 <b_jonas> fizzie: hehe
11:25:57 <esowiki> [[NDBall]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78286 * Aspwil * (+3030) Created page with "'''NDBall''', "N-Dimentinal Ball" or NDB is an esolang made by [[Aspwil|User:Aspwil]] ([[User talk:Aspwil|talk]]) ==Language Overview== NDB is a lang where we have a ball tha..."
11:26:24 <esowiki> [[NDBall]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78287&oldid=78286 * Aspwil * (+5)
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12:02:43 <kspalaiologos> idea: a hardware description esolang
12:05:46 <Taneb> That's just any hardware description language
12:05:49 <Taneb> They're all esoteric
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21:05:22 <esowiki> [[( )fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78293&oldid=78285 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* Examples */ Indent code block
21:06:20 <esowiki> [[( )fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78294&oldid=78293 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+4) Add a link to Hello World
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12:45:32 <wib_jonas> fungot, please summarize the election results
12:45:32 <fungot> wib_jonas: the story takes place in a strictly statically typed languages are useless by definition :)
13:02:11 <fizzie> ^style europarl
13:02:11 <fungot> Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
13:02:15 <fizzie> fungot: What do you think of the candidates' policies though?
13:02:15 <fungot> fizzie: mr president, this afternoon we are due to end in the united states to play a bigger role in the process of ratifying the treaty, except in the very near future.
13:14:17 * FireFly eyes fungot
13:14:17 <fungot> FireFly: madam president, simplifying and updating the treaty has been neglected for too long now. i would like. firstly, we must respond to the remarks made by the commission and the council to implement.
13:15:47 * int-e ogles fungot
13:15:47 <fungot> int-e: mr president, and this means that digital content offers an opportunity to return to the pollutants dealt with in the council on agricultural policy would have been a mere repetition of everything that the international mediation offered by president fnord of iran, of all places? our fellow mep, because i do not agree fully with that point.
13:20:15 <wib_jonas> fungot, do you mean that the president will authorize ratifying the treaty once he is sworn into power in 2021?
13:20:15 <fungot> wib_jonas: madam president, if there is a curious range of percentages between 6% and nearly 80% in different member states and community procedures have nothing to say about families with three children, about the need to take to improve security in parliament.
13:20:57 <FireFly> 'madam president' seems unlikely between the candidates this year
13:30:06 <int-e> 'Jo Jorgensen is the 2020 Libertarian Party presidential nominee.'
13:31:28 <int-e> `quote general election
13:31:29 <HackEso> 942) * ais523 challenges the americans here to remember who lost in the most recent UK general election <Phantom_Hoover> ais523, the lib dems
13:31:41 <esowiki> [[C+++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78306 * 3s0!an9 b0y * (+10) Created page with "== C+++ =="
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13:43:08 <FireFly> int-e: fair point, though again, unlikely :p
13:43:34 <int-e> do they have write-in votes at the presidential election?
13:44:35 <wib_jonas> it'd be easier to just incapacitate enough presidents until the next successor is a woman. like, get Biden elected, then let them fall ill, then hope Hillary Clinton is sworn in instead.
13:44:42 <int-e> FireFly: What if Biden dies today?
13:44:56 <int-e> Does the VP candidate step up?
13:45:20 <FireFly> no idea
13:48:41 <fizzie> I read up on that recently.
13:49:00 <wib_jonas> int-e: then Trump would get elected, so that's not the best strategy
13:49:18 <fizzie> There were quite a few possible different outcomes depending on where exactly we are in the election process.
13:49:32 <wib_jonas> hmm, or maybe some voters would rather vote on a dead president than Trump, so it's not quite certain
13:49:36 <fizzie> Some of them do involve the VP becoming the president.
13:49:43 <wib_jonas> but still, I don't think it's the most effective method
13:49:57 <int-e> wib_jonas: how? the votes are already in
13:50:09 <fizzie> Those votes don't select the president, though.
13:50:11 <int-e> unless they repeat the whole ordeal
13:50:11 <wib_jonas> I'd suggest making him ill a week after the election instead
13:50:16 <fizzie> They only select members of the electoral college.
13:50:18 <int-e> FireFly: oh, true
13:50:23 <int-e> err, fizzie:
13:50:24 <fizzie> I think there was even a historical case where the electoral college were voting for someone who was already dead.
13:51:07 <fizzie> Judging from link colour, https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/16/what-happens-if-us-presidential-candidate-withdraws-or-dies-before-election-is-over-part-1/ is probably what I looked at.
13:51:10 <int-e> the whole electoral college business is so antiquated
13:51:18 <wib_jonas> int-e: if all the votes are in, then how do we not know the final result yet?
13:51:58 <int-e> wib_jonas: because they have to be counted
13:52:11 <wib_jonas> int-e: meh, that happens almost instantly
13:52:17 <FireFly> n-no
13:52:19 <int-e> wib_jonas: in what universe?
13:52:32 <FireFly> well, depends on how you define 'almost instantly' I guess
13:52:38 <fizzie> "What if the winner of the November election dies or withdraws before the electoral college meets in December?" "This is the messiest situation and could unleash a lot of different maneuvers and disputes."
13:52:40 <int-e> (and some may still be underway what with mail-in vote deadline extensions)
13:54:42 <wib_jonas> so they aren't all in?
13:55:47 <int-e> the votes have been cast
13:56:00 <wib_jonas> fungot, are all the votes in?
13:56:00 <fungot> wib_jonas: it is after all, for general coordination between the member states. that does not fall to the french authorities the best european experts in the field of external policy. we must put forward a new proposal.
13:56:57 <wib_jonas> I don't think this is the best time for a new proposal, fungot
13:56:57 <fungot> wib_jonas: mr president, do you not think that we should not forget that we are now trying to produce global rules for the most part they fall victim to smugglers and traffickers of human beings.
13:57:19 * int-e observes fungot
13:57:20 <fungot> int-e: madam president, i do not understand why the council refuses to endorse the report by mr garca-margallo y marfil' s report, but because this will help to defuse the repressive measures in this agreement on an agenda which has been spreading, with the objective of seven to ten billion us dollars of annual expenditure exclusively to combat hiv/ aids, malaria and tuberculosis. aware that the council has not examined any sp
13:57:38 <wib_jonas> global rules eh
13:58:16 <wib_jonas> also you said report twice
13:59:15 <int-e> wib_jonas: the US also has a process by which ballots can be challenged
13:59:25 <int-e> I expect it'll be a huge mess
13:59:32 <wib_jonas> yes,
13:59:38 <wib_jonas> `password
13:59:39 <wib_jonas> ^
13:59:40 <HackEso> leonugksapbctyb
13:59:44 <wib_jonas> um
13:59:46 <wib_jonas> `? password
13:59:47 <HackEso> The password of the month is Florida Recount 2.0
13:59:54 <wib_jonas> ^ that
14:00:03 <int-e> wib_jonas: not sure why you're showing that to *me* ;)
14:00:38 <int-e> but I'll take it as a rare token of appreciation
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14:34:51 <wib_jonas> `sed -i s/random/secrets /hackenv/bin/password
14:34:51 <HackEso> Usage: /bin/sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ --debug \ annotate program execution \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ add the contents of script-file to the commands to be exe
14:35:00 <wib_jonas> `sed -i s/random/secrets/ /hackenv/bin/password
14:35:01 <HackEso> Usage: /bin/sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ --debug \ annotate program execution \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ add the contents of script-file to the commands to be exe
14:35:36 <wib_jonas> `perl -pi -e s/random/secrets/ /hackenv/bin/password
14:35:37 <HackEso> ​-i used with no filenames on the command line, reading from STDIN.
14:35:40 <wib_jonas> ``` perl -pi -e s/random/secrets/ /hackenv/bin/password
14:35:42 <HackEso> No output.
14:35:46 <wib_jonas> `password
14:35:47 <HackEso> Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/password", line 3, in <module> \ import secrets \ ImportError: No module named secrets
14:35:53 <wib_jonas> oh heck
14:35:58 <wib_jonas> `revert
14:35:59 <HackEso> Done.
14:36:04 <wib_jonas> `password
14:36:05 <HackEso> jefzvxkpacwmuaf
14:36:30 <wib_jonas> ah, it's running python2
14:36:50 <wib_jonas> ``` perl -pi -e 's/random/secrets/;s/python/$&3/' /hackenv/bin/password
14:36:52 <HackEso> No output.
14:36:55 <wib_jonas> `password
14:36:56 <HackEso> ​ File "/hackenv/bin/password", line 6 \ print "".join(secrets.choice(string.ascii_lowercase) for _ in xrange(15)) \ ^ \ SyntaxError: invalid syntax
14:37:03 <wib_jonas> ok ok
14:37:39 <wib_jonas> ``` perl -pi -e 's/print (.*)/print($1)/' /hackenv/bin/password
14:37:41 <HackEso> No output.
14:37:44 <wib_jonas> `password
14:37:45 <HackEso> Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/password", line 6, in <module> \ print("".join(secrets.choice(string.ascii_lowercase) for _ in xrange(15))) \ NameError: name 'xrange' is not defined
14:38:00 <wib_jonas> gth
14:38:10 <wib_jonas> ``` perl -pi -e 's/xrange/range/' /hackenv/bin/password
14:38:13 <HackEso> No output.
14:38:15 <wib_jonas> `password
14:38:16 <HackEso> wwllaashmybugjb
14:38:19 <wib_jonas> oh finally
14:38:21 <wib_jonas> `5 password
14:38:23 <HackEso> 1/1:qrafddczkdvqhwk \ rubbgzxsnknqlka \ ammojpjhjpvnuvn \ dvqapoearrthppe \ xdxcblxbmjdlsnu
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16:05:10 <HackEso> kbxibaakzhfovkj
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18:00:14 <myname> "3s0!an9 b0y"
18:00:17 <myname> oh boy
18:04:43 <int-e> myname: itym "0h b0y"
18:05:20 <int-e> Or should that be "1tym"?
18:05:50 <myname> 17`//\/\
18:06:57 <int-e> @leet itym
18:06:57 <lambdabot> iTy/\/\
18:07:04 <int-e> @leet itym
18:07:05 <lambdabot> i7y/\/\
18:07:21 <int-e> @. . leet leet leet itym
18:07:22 <lambdabot> Plugin `compose' failed with: user error (Unknown command: "|Eet")
18:07:29 <int-e> ops
18:07:30 <int-e> oops
18:07:45 <int-e> @. leet . leet leet itym
18:07:45 <lambdabot> i7y/\/\
18:08:16 <int-e> @. leet . leet leet oh boy
18:08:16 <lambdabot> 0|-| 80Y
18:08:39 <int-e> I forgot about the line art variants.
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21:17:57 <esowiki> [[N Refine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78327&oldid=74537 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+15) Math tags
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22:03:52 <zzo38> Some bits are unused in the IBM PC Color Graphics Adapter. (Someone asked about the two high bits of each control register are unused, but those bits are unavailable. Nevertheless, there are unused bits which are available.)
22:05:05 <zzo38> The unused bits which are available are MA13 in all modes, MA12 in graphics mode, the blink mode bit in graphics mode, and the palette bit in text mode.
22:05:38 <b_jonas> MA13? aren't there only 11 registers?
22:05:42 <zzo38> The cursor position bits are also unused in graphics mode.
22:05:59 <zzo38> b_jonas: MA13 and MA12 are outputs from the 6845 IC.
22:06:37 <esowiki> [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78330&oldid=78329 * Not applicable * (+1054) h
22:06:53 <b_jonas> I think you get the entire graphics buffer unused if you turn picture generation off. there's a bit for that to make switching between modes nicer.
22:06:57 <zzo38> (They are the address outputs. The PC doesn't use them.)
22:07:19 <zzo38> b_jonas: Yes there is, but that is independent from what I mentioned.
22:07:49 <b_jonas> output? isn't it inputs that you want?
22:09:04 <zzo38> Yes, although the output address is by the input address (configured using the 6845 registers) plus the current screen offset.
22:11:36 <myname> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll0qHlx_qLg TIL
22:12:31 <esowiki> [[Asparagus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78331&oldid=78330 * Not applicable * (-49) fix
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22:17:13 <zzo38> Do any computers use two 6845 display controllers on a single screen?
22:18:51 <b_jonas> zzo38: does it count if I'm emulating two PCs with CGA outputs and I put their displays in side-by-side windows displayed on the one screen of the host?
22:19:05 <b_jonas> I don't think I've ever done that, but I could
22:20:22 <zzo38> No, that doesn't count for what I intend to ask.
22:22:18 <b_jonas> though even then I'd be emulating an SVGA card
22:22:35 <b_jonas> it's just backwards compatible enough to display CGA modes
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23:10:04 <arseniiv> it seems I foolishly deleted from the main backup the settings file I forgot to migrate. Hopefully it exists in external backups and not too old a version
23:10:42 <b_jonas> arseniiv: settings for what?
23:10:51 <arseniiv> VS Code
23:11:31 <arseniiv> there was not too much customization but still I dread redoing all of it, especially as I don’t remember in detail
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23:34:19 <arseniiv> found a March version yay
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00:42:36 <esowiki> [[Asparagus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78335&oldid=78333 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+3) /* Errors, Warnings, and Status Messages */ Fix table
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00:57:07 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78339&oldid=78338 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+39321) I made a Ralphwich! Tastes hurty!
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05:59:57 <imode> I made prefix macros for my language and my head blew up. https://hastebin.com/opositutew.txt
06:00:30 <imode> turns out quotation as a first-class function of the language makes macros really fun.
06:00:37 <imode> new syntax in a couple of lines.
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08:41:10 <zzo38> imode: Do you have documentation?
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09:07:17 <int-e> . o O ( like a birth certificate )
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09:08:24 <imode> zzo38: not right now. but soon.
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12:02:31 <wib_jonas> `bardsworthlist http://www.bardsworth.com/?comic=he-said-it
12:02:32 <HackEso> bardsworthlist http://www.bardsworth.com/?comic=he-said-it: b_jonas
12:02:36 <esowiki> [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78342&oldid=78336 * Not applicable * (+33)
12:02:49 <wib_jonas> apparently this comic sneakily restarted, at a very slow pace, in 2020-03, and I haven't noticed since. there has been like ten pages since.
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17:06:50 <esowiki> [[User:Not applicable/Asparagus Dev]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78347 * Not applicable * (+7105) Created page with "<big> You shouldn't be here, but ok.</big> This is the (still in development as of Nov 6, 2020) interpreter for [Asparagus]. Does it work? Barely. Does it have all the feature..."
18:14:09 <int-e> Hmm, "to open box, please drop down 50' shaft"...
18:32:35 <int-e> FireFly: ^^ playing a bit of Penumbra Overture; I'm blaming you :-P
18:32:59 <FireFly> haha
18:33:44 <shachaf> pneumbra? I guess that's related to lungs somehow?
18:34:23 <int-e> shachaf: well if that was what I had typed... made me look, shame on you
18:34:31 * int-e is busy blaming others.
18:34:36 <shachaf> Oh no!
18:34:40 <shachaf> Somehow it was what I read.
18:36:07 <shachaf> v. embarrassing
18:36:08 <int-e> FireFly: I'm kind of afraid that I have the first unavoidable fight coming up though and I'm not sure I want to try the "clunky combat" part.
18:36:31 <int-e> Anyway, I'm done for the moment :)
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18:37:59 <HackEso> imode is an Innovative Multicomponent Drug Designer, afflicted by a severe case of the UPPERs.
18:38:07 <int-e> imode: are you an Apple product?
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03:30:11 <zzo38> Does DOSBOX implement the percussion mode of OPL3 correctly?
04:19:43 <Hooloovo0> zzo38, I'd expect them to have a channel, or something
04:20:26 <Hooloovo0> sources point to no https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=45840 but ymmv
04:21:07 <Hooloovo0> or at least "possibly not exactly perfect"
04:27:33 <esowiki> [[NDBall]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78354&oldid=78291 * Aspwil * (+76) /* Instructions */
04:54:16 <esowiki> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78355&oldid=78348 * Tetrapyronia * (+89) Added MechaniQue
04:59:21 <esowiki> [[User:Tetrapyronia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78356&oldid=77780 * Tetrapyronia * (+168)
05:15:40 <esowiki> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78357&oldid=78355 * Tetrapyronia * (+126) Added Churro
05:15:58 <esowiki> [[User:Tetrapyronia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78358&oldid=78356 * Tetrapyronia * (+13)
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06:30:26 <zzo38> I invented a new file format for OPL3 music. Like some other formats, it consists of a sequence of register writes and delays, although it also has subroutines, which can make the file smaller by putting sequences that occur often into subroutines.
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09:21:35 <esowiki> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78360&oldid=78359 * Hakerh400 * (+49) +[[Encapsulation]]
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20:15:18 <imode> thank god, america lives another day.
20:21:36 <int-e> So how many recounts will we get?
20:21:53 <imode> recounts decide hundreds of thousands of votes.
20:22:06 <imode> not millions.
20:34:09 <fizzie> We'll still *get* some recounts, though, Georgia already said they'll do one.
20:35:22 <int-e> https://politics.theonion.com/jubilant-reaction-to-trump-defeat-quickly-soured-by-new-1845551327
20:35:44 <fizzie> Heh.
20:36:05 <fizzie> Personally, I thought this bit was a bit amusing: http://zem.fi/tmp/tweet.png
20:36:29 <int-e> hmm
20:39:28 <fizzie> The Onion's really gone to town on these election headlines, eh?
20:39:39 <fizzie> (Ref. "‘You Have Disappointed Me,’ Trump Tells Room Full Of Supporters While Strapping On Gas Mask".)
20:40:54 <int-e> Hmm, some movie?
20:41:02 <int-e> I feel I'm missing a reference :)
20:41:49 <fizzie> I thought it was just a generic genre kind of a thing, but could be.
20:43:58 <fizzie> It's not her fault, of course, but the fact that the Finnish word "kamala" translates to "horrible, terrible" is going to make some news headlines a bit jarring.
20:45:46 <int-e> so... camality
20:47:23 <int-e> Interestingly I'm not aware of german word with that root.
20:48:17 <int-e> Oh "Kalamität" exists though, but it's rare.
20:48:18 <fizzie> "From Proto-Finnic *kamala (compare Ingrian kammala, Karelian kamala, Votic kamal)." It might be one of those we haven't just borrowed.
20:48:44 <int-e> Hmm, parallel development.
20:49:07 <int-e> Or maybe the Romans stole it? Did they ever get that far... my history knowledge is so bad.
20:49:32 <int-e> Err
20:49:44 <int-e> The l and m are swapped.
20:50:17 <int-e> Never mind, I don't think that's explained by vowel shifts.
20:50:49 <fizzie> I was reading https://xkcd.com/2381/ the other day, and apparently the most likely etymology for the Finnish name ("karhu") is from a Proto-Finnic word meaning "rough, coarse", but it's thought it *could* also be a loan from the same source the Greek get their άρκτος from.
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20:55:01 <int-e> (Just to be clear, the english word I meant is "calamity", so no connection there either.)
20:58:18 <int-e> Oh yes, The Onion seems to be having a great time. https://www.theonion.com/democratic-strategists-hold-screening-of-three-amigos-1845584362 is also good.
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21:22:58 <b_jonas> fizzie: well yeah, but on the plus side, the Kalevala has a long section about how they avoid talking about the brown one
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01:03:42 <esowiki> [[An esoteric programming language (ess-oh-terr-ick), or esolang, is a computer programming language designed to experiment with weird ideas, to be hard to program in, or as a joke, rather than for practical use.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78373&oldid=58392 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+51) Cats + stub
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01:42:00 <arseniiv> I wouldn’t have thought I’ll pass day by day making small improvements to xen wiki (which is still not completely free from the ghost of wikispaces import)
01:42:57 <arseniiv> hopefully that will make some good
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20:56:37 <imode> one wonders why that article even exists. maybe it should be tagged as a joke.
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21:10:57 <int-e> wow, Penumbra's "clunky" (quoting a review) combat really is clunky
21:12:05 <int-e> But I've killed a bunch of dogs. (In game, obviously. They're nasty.)
21:15:11 <esowiki> [[Phile]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78384&oldid=73084 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+91) /* Turing-completeness */ Expand
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21:44:43 <esowiki> [[HTPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78389&oldid=78388 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) /* Related */ cat
21:57:11 <esowiki> [[DubDubMachine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78390&oldid=68667 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+9) /* Computational class */ What is so interesting about that? IO isn't needed to be TC
21:58:38 <esowiki> [[User:Not applicable/Asparagus Dev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78391&oldid=78368 * Not applicable * (-10514) i removed it because its now on github
21:59:39 <imode> finished my BF DSL for feather.
21:59:40 <imode> https://hastebin.com/raw/guzepimaqi
22:02:40 <esowiki> [[Class Diseases]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78392&oldid=45962 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+41) Categories
22:07:04 <imode> it's nice. the language has maybe ~12 primitives. `if ... then ... else`, `recursive!`, `recurse`, etc. are all derived.
22:09:08 <imode> https://hastebin.com/raw/izulotilen
22:09:11 <esowiki> [[Esolang:General disclaimer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78393&oldid=68817 * Not applicable * (+88) batteries not included
22:10:24 <imode> the definition of `is`, for example, is on line 328.
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22:31:11 <fizzie> Odd, upgrading the "cpp-10" package from 10.2.0-15 to 10.2.0-16 will take +283M more disk space.
22:31:37 <int-e> wow
22:31:48 <fizzie> Changelog: "Also enable the extra checking on amd64, arm64, ppc64el, s390x, and don't strip the executables. This will be reverted within a few weeks, please don't send bug reports about that."
22:31:55 <fizzie> ...maybe I'll just wait a bit.
22:37:59 <int-e> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/10/cc1: 310,672,488, strips to 36,444,760
22:38:09 <int-e> that would do it
22:38:30 <int-e> thanks for the warning
22:40:27 <fizzie> Yeah, the total size impact was something like ~800M for all of gcc-10 bits.
22:45:23 <int-e> at least it compresses well?
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23:39:50 <Hazey> hello all
23:47:46 <Hazey> hello?
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01:32:21 <heharhehar> heyo
01:32:39 <zzo38> Hello
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11:32:20 <rain1> Where can I find working implementations of the futamura projections?
11:32:26 <rain1> (nontrivial ones)
11:32:52 <int-e> futurama?
11:37:00 <rain1> thanks
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13:10:32 <FireFly> after looking it up, hm, isn't that how PyPy works IIRC?
13:11:49 <FireFly> an interpreter for Python written in a subset of Python, and a specialising JIT that JITs the interpreter to match the program it's running on
13:12:09 <FireFly> I recall reading an article or blogpost about it at some point, but don't recall who wrote it
13:18:04 <FireFly> Apparently there's the "Tracing the Meta-Level: PyPy's Tracing JIT Compiler" article, but I don't think that's what I read
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14:55:38 <rain1> suppose it's an annoying thing to demonsstrate
14:55:42 <rain1> since you'd need not only the code
14:55:58 <rain1> but also examples of interpreters in a few languages, and then a few demo programs in each of those
14:56:14 <rain1> so you need something like 3+3*5 example programs
14:56:19 <rain1> to demonstrate the functionality well
14:57:08 <rain1> there's mentions of code like this in the past, like a scheme parser generator from some peval system
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23:15:53 <zzo38> I try to find why a program I wrote will segfault and valgrind doesn't help.
23:30:27 <imode> gdb?
23:30:42 <imode> compile it with -g and run it under gdb, then backtrace.
23:38:29 <zzo38> It doesn't always segfault, especially if it is compiled with -g (but sometimes even if not).
23:53:38 <esowiki> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78411&oldid=78365 * Tetrapyronia * (+58) Added 3x and Coeus
23:54:05 <esowiki> [[User:Tetrapyronia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78412&oldid=78366 * Tetrapyronia * (+21)
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00:05:04 <imode> does it segfault with -Og?
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00:10:08 <zzo38> I may have a old version of gcc, because -Og is not recognized
00:10:35 <imode> huh.
00:10:40 <imode> got the code? I can help.
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00:12:55 <b_jonas> `ping
00:12:56 <zzo38> The code can be found in: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/freezzt.ui/dir?ci=600c9773dae1a6d3&name=frezed The program "main.c" is the one being executed.
00:12:57 <HackEso> pong
00:13:49 <imode> wow.
00:13:52 <zzo38> The problem might be in main.c or zzt.c, is my guess.
00:14:03 <zzo38> It sometimes happens when importinga board.
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00:15:39 <imode> nice replacements for asserts.
00:16:14 <imode> do you have an example of a board that always segfaults.
00:17:19 <zzo38> Let me check now.
00:18:54 <zzo38> No board seems to always segfault. It seems to do so unpredictably.
00:19:27 <zzo38> But it seems to require adding a new board and importing into that one; it doesn't seem to segfault if it is imported over an existing board.
00:20:11 <imode> hm. if you can give me some example data files I can mess with it. just got it compiled.
00:20:55 <zzo38> OK. Just a minute
00:23:59 <zzo38> http://zzo38computer.org/ZZT/boardtest.zip
00:27:06 <zzo38> The default key bindings use ^L to import a board, but you must create a file called ~/.frezedrc which references the default key binding file (bindings.def) (write "Defaults=/path_to/bindings.def" or as appropriate)
00:28:01 <zzo38> Do these files work?
00:28:11 <imode> workin on it.
00:29:29 <zzo38> OK
00:29:30 <imode> "invalid world".
00:29:50 <imode> https://hastebin.com/raw/isujipiyen
00:30:12 <zzo38> Those are board files and not world files. Give a nonexisting filename to create a new world, and then import those boards into it. (Use the A command to add a new board, and ^S to save the world file)
00:30:39 <imode> aha.
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00:32:10 <imode> got it to segfault.
00:34:01 <imode> https://hastebin.com/raw/uyiquzihal
00:34:21 <imode> zzt.c:23
00:34:26 <imode> for(i=0;i<=b->maxstat;i++) free(b->stat[i].text);
00:35:00 <zzo38> OK. Somehow, when I tried, I was unable to get a stack trace, so good that you did.
00:35:18 <imode> I created a new board, imported the boards four times, then created two new boards.
00:35:27 <zzo38> Now I know what part is wrong.
00:36:07 <imode> cool. lemme know if you want any additional help.
00:36:11 <imode> that was fun.
00:41:09 <zzo38> That still doesn't solve it entirely, but now I have some more information to try to figure it out. (If you want to, you can try too, but I will also try.)
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09:10:39 <b_jonas> fungot, who's the crazy one now?
09:10:40 <fungot> b_jonas: mr president, rule 7(4) of the draft resolution that the house has analysed this dossier, has not been properly tested. we are equally aware of the problems regarding the competence of the convention method to determine the cost which we must protest most vehemently by voting against the report.
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13:06:45 <fizzie> fungot: Mr President, I do share the concerns regarding the suitability of the convention method, but we should not let that prevent us from considering the report in a holistic sense.
13:06:45 <fungot> fizzie: mr president, the european union
13:07:08 <fizzie> fungot: Yes, I totally agree. The European Union!
13:07:08 <fungot> fizzie: mr president, stop being masochistic.
13:07:24 <fizzie> fungot: Now that's just uncalled for.
13:07:25 <fungot> fizzie: mr president, i did not in fact? consumers must have rights, but these were neither heeded nor passed on.
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01:24:48 <zzo38> I figured out the bug in the program that I was working on; somehow I made a messy mistake and caused it when adding a new board to inherit something that it shouldn't inherit. http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/freezzt.ui/ci/55e547667202a72d?sbs=1
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01:58:31 <esowiki> [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78462&oldid=78367 * Not applicable * (-5468) complete rewrite for new changes; converted from new readme on github
02:00:21 <esowiki> [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78463&oldid=78462 * Not applicable * (+50) fixed tables
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05:26:44 <zzo38> Icons for the types of powers on SciRPS should be made up, preferably with METAFONT (which I know how to use). The types of powers are classified as: Biological, Faith, Kung Fu, Magic, Psychic, Scientific, Superscientific, and Talent (this last one is not really a type of power; it falls somewhere between powers and skills).
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18:29:40 <b_jonas> oh heck. there's a weird bug in the phpbb software used on the GitP forum. you know how, when it links to a forum thread, sometimes it emits a link with some of the thread title inside the url query parameter, even though that part of the url is ignored. for a certain thread it emits an incorrect url that contains an unquoted non-ascii character there.
18:30:21 <b_jonas> I'll work this around on client side
18:31:52 <b_jonas> it's an "å" by the way
18:32:34 <b_jonas> I guess you know that this isn't the first bug that phpbb has with non-ascii characters
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21:42:35 <imode> don't leave me fungot.
21:42:35 <fungot> imode: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, i will focus on three vital points of the draft regulation concerning labelling of foodstuffs and the enormous discontent, of which i am sure you will listen carefully to my explanation of vote. i have seen enough members and officials of the commission.
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00:41:28 <delta23> i designed a weird esolang a while back, just remembered it
00:41:43 <delta23> it was like bf, <> is for moving along the tape
00:41:56 <delta23> but the tape started w/ all cells @ exactly 0.5
00:42:01 <delta23> so it was a real tape
00:42:13 <delta23> then there was a 0 and 1 command which did:
00:42:40 <delta23> current cell = (current cell + (0 or 1))/2
00:43:00 <delta23> an invert command ! which set the current cell to 1- it's current value
00:43:21 <delta23> and the normal [] brackets, although w/ probabilistic function
00:43:41 <delta23> now that i think about it
00:43:53 <delta23> i think i should have added a stack
00:44:03 <delta23> and a command to multiply the top two items on the stack
00:44:34 <zzo38> I hope that you can write it in esolang wiki
00:47:30 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Delta23 * New user account
00:47:59 <delta23> ill do that then
00:50:22 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78494&oldid=78466 * Delta23 * (+138)
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02:17:37 <esowiki> [[Real Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78499&oldid=78495 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+62) Cats + link
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04:42:31 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78500&oldid=78494 * Sinakhalili * (+220) /* Introductions */
04:43:47 <esowiki> [[Folders]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78501&oldid=75129 * Sinakhalili * (+79) Add python implementation
04:52:55 <esowiki> [[User:Sinakhalili]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78502 * Sinakhalili * (+171) Created page with "What up y'all. Aspiring esolanger. Lover of all things self-referential. Currently works: * [[Folders]] python [https://github.com/sinakhalili/Folders.py implementation]"
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07:36:47 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78503&oldid=78130 * Rdebath * (-111) Removed link to non-existent page for interpreter that didn't work.
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15:32:47 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78507&oldid=78496 * Hakerh400 * (+41) +[[Smooth transition to a second term]]
15:34:23 <esowiki> [[XENBLN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78508&oldid=74679 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+9) /* Loop while no input (3 bytes) */ update link
15:58:49 <esowiki> [[XENBLN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78509&oldid=78508 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+506) /* Number separation */ Non-combining digits
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16:16:59 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Cmt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78512&oldid=78511 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+123) /* Built-in tags */ More
16:20:29 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78513 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+46) And he will be JSON / and he will be a good object / and he will be JSON / in tradition with the data plan
16:21:38 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78514&oldid=78513 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) JSON wears his curly brackets like a crown
16:21:48 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78515&oldid=78514 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) PythonshellDebugwindow changed the content model of the page [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] from "wikitext" to "JavaScript": And he shall be JSON / and he shall be a good page
16:21:48 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/contentmodel]] change * PythonshellDebugwindow * PythonshellDebugwindow changed the content model of the page [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] from "wikitext" to "JavaScript": And he shall be JSON / and he shall be a good page
16:23:18 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78516&oldid=78515 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) He was born an object / to a script on a Windows computer
16:23:28 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78517&oldid=78516 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) PythonshellDebugwindow changed the content model of the page [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] from "JavaScript" to "wikitext"
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16:24:20 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78518&oldid=78517 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+29) And he shall be JSON
16:24:47 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78519&oldid=78518 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-2) ad
16:25:25 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78520&oldid=78519 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+10) aef
16:26:27 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78521&oldid=78520 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+8) json++
16:26:35 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78522&oldid=78521 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+14) PythonshellDebugwindow changed the content model of the page [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] from "wikitext" to "JSON"
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16:27:21 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78523&oldid=78522 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+90) And he shall be JSON
16:27:58 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78524&oldid=78484 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) Json
16:29:03 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/UnusedLangLetters]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78525&oldid=75291 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-1) hm
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19:26:10 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78527&oldid=78500 * BrightBlackHole * (+212)
19:28:10 <esowiki> [[User:BrightBlackHole]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78528 * BrightBlackHole * (+285) move along nothing to see here
19:33:33 <esowiki> [[Talk:///]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78529&oldid=69416 * BrightBlackHole * (+411) /* Programming quirk? */ new section
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20:02:42 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78530&oldid=78527 * Jay-jayjay * (+157)
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20:17:05 <esowiki> [[User talk:BrightBlackHole]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78532 * BrightBlackHole * (+56) Created page with "if you want to talk to me ples talk to me here thank you"
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22:05:56 <b_jonas> Scott Aaronson says that the current provider will no longer be able to host the Complexity Zoo https://complexityzoo.uwaterloo.ca/Complexity_Zoo and needs a new provider.
22:08:07 <int-e> "says"?
22:08:35 <int-e> oh, here. https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=5094
22:09:22 <esowiki> [[Bfos]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78538 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+403) Why not
22:09:33 <int-e> "new regulations in Ontario about the accessibility of websites, which the Zoo might be out of compliance with"... sigh
22:11:58 <imode> ..how does that affect the suitability of hosting providers.
22:12:13 <imode> what in the world.
22:12:21 <int-e> imode: note the "uwaterloo"
22:12:31 <int-e> it's a university
22:13:02 <imode> yeah I realize that but what the fuck, you're going to take down something that's not accessible and thus make it de-facto inaccessible vs. providing a path for making it accessible? fuck you.
22:13:20 <imode> the removal of information should not be the solution to accessibility.
22:13:30 <imode> "oh you can't walk up these stairs? fuck the stairs."
22:13:38 <imode> and then everyone's worse off.
22:14:12 <int-e> it's just... if this affects people sharing their scientific contributions rather than administrative and teaching pages that are of general concern, then the regulations seem to be overreaching, and it'll be bad for science.
22:15:05 <int-e> But I suspect we all agree on that anyway.
22:15:24 <imode> +1.
22:16:16 <b_jonas> it's a very small website with not much traffic, so it barely needs disk space or network
22:16:47 <int-e> Scott isn't holding back. "the issue likely involves bureaucrats at a higher level who suffer from an impairment far more serious than blindness, deafness, or anything else that’s merely physical."
22:17:41 <b_jonas> (also, oddly, most of the actual content is in the Project namespace. that's not how you're supposed to use a Mediawiki.)
22:18:16 <imode> accessability guidelines should be influenced by talking to the people that are affected.
22:18:58 <int-e> imode: ...well you clearly have no idea how bureaucrats work :P
22:20:40 <int-e> (I honestly don't know what the norm is... ideally, yes, they'll talk to people. but I guess the best case is that they talk to management level people and maybe some random people who are forced into a taskforce kind of thing that they don't get any credit for... and in the worst case they rely on their own "common sense")
22:22:59 <rain1> this happened with MIT lectures that weren't subtitled, didn't it?
22:23:04 <rain1> they took them all down
22:23:27 <rain1> maybe somewhere other than MIT
22:24:47 <int-e> doesn't ring a bell, but it sounds plausible
22:29:35 <rain1> Berkeley Will Delete Online Content
22:29:35 <rain1> Starting March 15, the university will begin removing more than 20,000 video and audio lectures from pub
22:29:35 <rain1> Berkeley Will Delete Online Content
22:29:35 <rain1> Starting March 15, the university will begin removing more than 20,000 video and audio lectures from public view as a result of a Justice Department accessibility order.
22:29:35 <rain1> lic view as a result of a Justice Department accessibility order.
22:29:37 <rain1> found it
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22:30:13 <int-e> Thanks
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22:31:59 <imode> int-e: as someone working with bureaucrats, I know how they work. doesn't mean I have to agree with them.
22:33:14 <int-e> . o O ( But you *have* to agree with them... isn't that the whole point. :P )
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22:33:41 <int-e> Sorry, this is too easy.
22:33:46 <int-e> ^dance
22:33:56 <int-e> !dance
22:34:06 <int-e> oh wait, it's celebrate... now which bot...
22:34:08 <int-e> ^celebrate
22:34:08 <fungot> \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
22:34:21 <int-e> myndzi is still broken.
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00:16:26 <zzo38> If you are making hashcash, I think that the padding of SHA1 only needs to be implemented once unless the length changes, and maybe some other stuff too I don't know. Since, it requires calculating the hash many times until enough first few bits are all zero.
00:18:03 <zzo38> (I also had a idea of a variant, which uses "timestamp:version:resource:bits:random", where the timestamp is preceded by its length, and there is no counter field (it is not needed since the random field can be used). It uses only base36 and base64, and a line feed must be appended when calculating the hash.
00:51:08 <esowiki> [[Brainfunc]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78545&oldid=72350 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-2) /* Functions */ Essential for looping
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09:41:25 <moony> TODO: bug ais523 about feather on dec 14th or afterward (it's 10 year anniversary on the wiki)
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12:50:06 <int-e> "the chess any% world record speed run"
12:59:51 <myname> wat
13:02:08 <Arcorann> Someone TASed a chess game to get a fool's mate once
13:02:49 <Arcorann> *5-move mate --> http://tasvideos.org/2677S.html
13:03:45 <Arcorann> *3-move mate
13:04:59 <fizzie> int-e: Takes damage to save time?
13:06:38 <fizzie> (No major glitches?)
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13:09:59 <int-e> It was more or less a quote from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYP3FL7mDX8 ...I found it funny :)
13:10:27 <fizzie> I heard if you're playing black, there's a frame-perfect trick you can do that lets you move two pieces at once.
13:14:08 <int-e> does it involve any opportunistic toilet breaks?
13:19:13 <esowiki> [[NestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78548&oldid=78544 * Someguy004 * (+344) /* Examples */
13:48:07 <b_jonas> int-e: is that a two-player one, or one versus the computer?\
13:49:40 <b_jonas> a one-player one. I See.
13:50:08 <b_jonas> fizzie: is that castling?
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16:57:50 <esowiki> [[Bfos]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78553&oldid=78538 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+782) Specify commands\
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17:58:51 <int-e> b_jonas: well, the video is making a joke about an actual two-player match that happened
18:00:35 <int-e> (From that odd pogchamps event where they pitted high profile streamers against each other.)
18:02:49 <int-e> Oh, Apple is fighting the good fight and adding ads to their... mobile phone settings menu?
18:03:57 <imode> among other things.
18:04:07 <imode> like crippling your machine if you don't send them updates on what you're doing.
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18:08:10 <int-e> And crippling your machine when you do send them updates on what you're doing? (They had an OCSP server outage that caused non-Apple apps to fail to start)
18:08:39 <imode> that's what I'm referring to.
18:09:10 <int-e> Hmm, but it's logically the opposite :P
18:09:49 <imode> how do you live so well with a log jam in your ass.
18:10:21 <int-e> so many assumptions
18:12:35 * int-e is pondering how this happened... but in the mobile phone case, the system started out as stupid and inflexible and closed... and the vendor platforms that we have now are still more open than the things of the past. So we "just" missed the opportunity for the revolution to demand and seize complete control of the smartphones when they were new.
18:18:19 <b_jonas> int-e: right. and they even managed to get my relatives to keep complaining that I should get a smartphone, and trying to explain to me in very reasonable ways why it would be good for my own sake if I got a smartphone, and how it would solve the very problems that I'm complaining about (but forgetting about the problems that it would cause)
18:18:56 <int-e> imode: the problem is really that both variants make sense; one is a form of nudging, the other is a weird accident in an otherwise invisible mechanism.
18:19:19 <imode> the fact that it's in place in the first place is an unmitigated disaster.
18:19:57 <int-e> But it's for your own security!
18:20:17 <int-e> b_jonas: Hmm. I'm only hearing that they're convenient, not that they solve any actual problems.
18:20:53 <b_jonas> int-e: I'm talking about my relatives. they know me and what I need and what they have to tell me, they can tailor what they say to my individual problems
18:21:04 <int-e> Sure.
18:21:04 <b_jonas> I'm not talking about the advertisments
18:21:24 <b_jonas> advertisments invent problems for whatever they want to sell
18:21:34 <b_jonas> problems that you didn't even know you had
18:21:49 <int-e> "don't worry about us, all we want is your attention"
18:22:02 <b_jonas> admittedly they do use smartphones, so it's at least preaching what they practice
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18:22:39 <b_jonas> as in, they're talking into a cellphone when they explain why I should get one
18:23:05 <b_jonas> and I'm sitting in front of a 26 inch monitor when I explain to them why I don't want one
18:25:18 <imode> two years ago I gave into the smartphone thing. since then, I've had to deal with the god damn things breaking all the time. my family, being used to flip phones that were nigh-indestructible, broke everything. screens, buttons, etc.
18:25:29 <imode> bought 'em CAT S61s.
18:25:41 <imode> now the only thing I worry about is their privacy.
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22:38:03 <int-e> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/technology/no-software-glitches-are-not-affecting-vote-counts.html ... 'The problem, election security experts and state officials concluded, was that an election worker had configured ballot scanners and reporting systems with slightly different versions of the ballot, which meant some results did not line up with the right candidate when officials loaded them...
22:38:09 <int-e> ...into the system.'
22:38:20 <int-e> This irritates me slightly, why are there different versions of the ballot?
22:40:23 <int-e> Hmm, maybe they had a testrun. https://eu.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/ speaks of a missed update.
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22:49:06 <fizzie> I think it'd be nice to for once vote in an election that has a ballot with all kinds of questions it. In Finnish elections, you write in one number (or draw a rude picture, or write in "Donald Duck", if you're of that kind), and that's it. AIUI, the US ballots are proper long.
22:51:07 <fizzie> Also curious: in Finland the standard Disney character for a protest vote is Donald Duck, while I understand in US it's Mickey Mouse.
22:51:34 <b_jonas> what? Disney character as protest vote?
22:51:35 <fizzie> Maybe something to do with the relative popularity and familiarity of the characters.
22:51:43 <fizzie> That's what we (and US) do.
22:51:49 <b_jonas> weird
22:51:53 <fizzie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_vote "Write-in votes may also indicate protest voting; in the United States, Mickey Mouse has historically been a popular choice."
22:52:01 <fizzie> Yeah, I don't know specifically why.
22:52:53 <int-e> you could do worse for the standard fictional character....
22:53:39 <fizzie> Oh, we're mentioned on that page too.
22:53:49 <b_jonas> I thought if you wanted to invalidate your ballot, the canonical choice was to mark the first two options or candidates in the list
22:54:01 <fizzie> "In the parliamentary elections in Finland and Sweden, voters have also used Donald Duck as a protest vote.[9] In Ukraine, the Internet Party nominated Darth Vader for mayoral elections in Kyiv and Odesa, and tried to nominate Darth Vader for presidency, although this application was rejected.[10]"
22:54:38 <b_jonas> I see
22:56:37 <moony> Codidact (SE alternative that launched because of that moderation fiasco a couple years back) just launched a codegolf site if anyone's interested. Though when I say just launched i mean it, it's only a few hr old. https://codegolf.codidact.com/categories/49
22:57:26 <int-e> Ballots can get pretty sizeable without tricky questions, just due to the sheer number of choices... like 15 parties and 25 direct candidates...
22:58:27 <zzo38> If the winner of the election is a fictional character or is someone who has been dead for more than one year, then there should be no president, and they have to wait for next year to make another election.
23:00:15 <fizzie> int-e: I guess, but I was really thinking about the part that you fill out. In our case, it's usually like an A6 sized piece of paper with a big circle in one half, and you write your candidate number inside and fold it in half.
23:01:21 <int-e> fizzie: Ah. Here you get a long long list with circles for each candidate... and you mark one of the circles.
23:01:52 <int-e> So the list is the ballot.
23:02:21 <int-e> voting systems are interesting... there are so many of them
23:02:37 <fizzie> Clearly we should get to vote on what's the best one.
23:02:48 <int-e> fizzie: in your case, how do you know you have the right list?
23:03:11 <int-e> it's always easy to find flaws in other systems ;)
23:03:38 <int-e> voting, by and large, is based on a huge pile of trust that nobody (well, not I) wants to think about.
23:03:40 <fizzie> I don't know how it works in sort of absentee-style cases, but at least for in-person voting, the list's taped on the wall of the voting booth.
23:03:56 <fizzie> Presumably they check every now and then that nobody's replaced it.
23:05:05 <fizzie> (Or just trust that it would be noticed, at least I've always cross-checked between what the web said and what's on the wall.)
23:05:11 <int-e> is it also published in newspapers and online so you can verify that the whole polling station isn't colluding against you?
23:05:20 <int-e> ah
23:05:42 <fizzie> It's certainly published online. And all the candidates put their number in their own ads.
23:06:15 <int-e> seems reasonable enough
23:06:16 <fizzie> Oh, and there's the official candidate board things, these street stands with everyone's faces on them. At least for the presidential elections that have a lot less people.
23:06:55 <int-e> and I bet it saves quite a bit on paper
23:07:06 <int-e> and also effort during counting
23:07:19 <fizzie> http://www.skphelsinki.fi/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/10p%C3%A4iv%C3%A4vaalit2012_0017_edited-1.jpg sorta like that.
23:07:33 <int-e> Imagine having to unfold 50cm of paper for each vote...
23:08:07 <fizzie> (I think those must be the boards for the parliamentary ones, I guess every party gets one or something. Not sure how those are divided up.)
23:08:10 <int-e> that's a lot of faces
23:09:33 <fizzie> Honestly I should've just gone to the Wiki instead of Google image search: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Finnish_parliamentary_election_2019.jpg
23:10:09 <fizzie> Oh, fun (probably pretty commonplace) fact about the numbers: nobody gets to be #1, they start numbering from #2.
23:10:45 <int-e> ours tend to look more like number 7 from the left... one or two faces at most.
23:11:00 <int-e> and we certainly have a #1
23:11:50 <fizzie> The 2019 parliamentary elections had a total of 2468 candidates.
23:11:54 <int-e> AIUI, the order of parties is based on the current makeup of the parliament in question... and the same order is used for direct candidates.
23:12:05 <int-e> (Germany, and Austria too, I believe)
23:12:35 <fizzie> (But nobody gets to pick from the full list, the country's split to 13 regions and you can only vote for people from your own list, the sizes of which were 117-492. And one with 5.)
23:12:51 <int-e> hmm, that's still quite long
23:13:18 <fizzie> Yeah, I may have kind of given up on reading everyone's self-description.
23:13:57 <esowiki> [[Elvm]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78557 * Jay-jayjay * (+318) Created page with "==[https://github.com/shinh/elvm Elvm]== [https://github.com/shinh/elvm Elvm] is a compiler infrastructure (similar to LLVM) for esotoric (and some non-esotoric) languages. It..."
23:14:13 <esowiki> [[Elvm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78558&oldid=78557 * Jay-jayjay * (-41)
23:15:35 <int-e> In Germany, for the federal level we have a list per district, and only one direct candidate per district is elected... and then a second vote that decides the distribution of party seats (a proportional vote). So the former list tends to have one candidate per party and a few without affiliation. Oh and you can't run in several districts anyway. The latter list... well, the parties make a list...
23:15:41 <int-e> ...of candidates that they fill up their seats from, but you don't vote on those.
23:17:44 <int-e> (This is not without problems... mixing winner takes all and proportional voting this way means that parties can end up having more direct candidates than mandates from the proportional vote. Historically, they could just keep the extra seats. Currently, the size of the whole parliament is increased to the point where the proportions are correct. In the future... who knows.)
23:18:28 <fizzie> Yeah. We've got a proportional representation thingamajick too, so even if you're voting on candidate X from party Y, your vote may be in fact responsible for getting candidate X' from party Y elected. It's some kind of a d'Hondt thing, where the most popular candidate from party Y gets a score that's the total number T_y of votes for party Y, then the second gets T_y/2, the third T_y/3, and then the N
23:18:31 <int-e> And I expect that almost every country has their own idiosyncratic complications in the election system.
23:18:34 <fizzie> highest scores (across all parties) get chosen.
23:19:36 <fizzie> So there's a lot of strategizing, and two or more (smaller) parties can do a union thing to make their candidates treated as from one party, in order to get at least someone in.
23:20:53 <esowiki> [[Elvm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78559&oldid=78558 * Jay-jayjay * (+1218)
23:21:13 <int-e> Anyway, the point was... because each party tends to have one direct candidate per district, that's the face you get to see in that district... and then generic ones (party leaders, chancellor candidates) that are the same across the country.
23:22:00 <int-e> But if you have such long lists, that also explains the many faces on the posters
23:22:48 <fizzie> Right. I guess with our method, there isn't really any drawback for a party to add more candidates (within reason), because if they get a few votes that way, it'll all just sum up to the pot for the popular people they know will get elected.
23:23:46 <fizzie> Here's a picture of what it looks like in the voting booth: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Valb%C3%A5s_med_riksdagskandiidater_Finland_2019.jpg#/media/Tiedosto:Valb%C3%A5s_med_riksdagskandiidater_Finland_2019.jpg
23:24:12 <fizzie> Complete with poorly adhering masking tape holding it up.
23:27:14 <fizzie> Huh, I had completely forgotten our local far-right extremists (Perussuomalaiset) had one of those electoral alliances with the religious ones (Suomen Kristillisdemokraatit). Makes sense, but still.
23:27:42 <fizzie> The same with the liberals and the nerds (not their official names).
23:39:41 <delta23> huh, sounds weird
23:39:45 <delta23> weirdly interesting
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03:27:30 <zzo38> How much a Magic: the Gathering card would be worth if it is a instant with only madness and split second and no others?
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08:49:59 <int-e> . o O ( Twitter is shutting down December 15th )
10:01:31 <Frater_EST> Wah?
10:06:00 <myname> that would be awesome, any citations?
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10:18:25 <Arcorann> I think it was just the old design, unfortunately
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10:48:58 <int-e> myname: https://mobile.twitter.com/ ... I may have left out a detail or two
10:50:14 <int-e> though, effectively... yeah I don't think I'll be reading twitter anymore afterwards
10:50:43 <myname> i only ever visit twitter if people post links to tweets in irc
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10:53:10 <int-e> there are a couple of accounts I'm currently checking on
10:53:16 <int-e> But I can do without them.
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11:08:29 <Arcorann> I go through Nitter nowadays, it has RSS features as well
11:33:10 <int-e> Arcorann: hmm, worth a shot
11:39:29 <b_jonas> fizzie: we have (a summary of) the options printed right onto the slip of paper that you vote on, with circles next to them, and they're huge with large letters and lots of spaces for accessibility reasons; though they offer an optional overlay that displays the options in braille runes, and for that you may have to trust that it's the correct paper
11:41:31 <b_jonas> but yes, the options are published online, and for the country level list, that's where you can find the full queue of people who'd become member of parliaments if each party gets enough votes, for the voting slip can fit only a few for each party
11:42:06 <b_jonas> plus obviously the voters need to know the options in advance that they can research what they promise and choose responsibly
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11:44:02 <b_jonas> what is taped onto the wall of every voting room is just posters giving instructions for what ID you need to bring to cast a vote, that you shall vote on only one option on each strip for a valid vote, and that you shall mark the option by drawing a cross over the circle next to the option. most people already know that in advance, by the posters can't hurt.
11:44:38 <b_jonas> "Imagine having to unfold 50cm of paper for each vote..." => yes, that happens
11:44:57 <b_jonas> plus they have to remove them from the envelopes (though they at least do ask people to not seal the envelope)
11:46:51 <b_jonas> the order of options for election slips is always determined randomly before the election, right after the set of options is finalized; referendums have yes/no answers and I think the order is fixed
11:47:39 <b_jonas> "the sizes of which were 117-492" => ah! so that's why you write a number
11:48:01 <b_jonas> that many candidates wouldn't fit on the voting slip
11:49:54 <b_jonas> "isn't really any drawback for a party to add more candidates" => the way that's solved in Hungary is that they need to collect a given number of signatures from voters for their candidate in advance of the election in order to be allowed to have the candidate as an option
11:50:31 <b_jonas> and a similar system is used for the country-level party list, and for the minority lists
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17:17:09 <zzo38> Someone asked me, and I wonder if you know, if there is an equivalent to navigator.mediaDevices.getUserMedia which does not use a Promise?
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20:51:40 <zzo38> Arcorann: OK, thank you for mentioning Nitter. I sometimes read stuff on Twitter, and it looks like the URLs are compatible from what I can see, so I can adjust the redirection code I have to use the Nitter URL. (Like other people here, I only read, not write, on Twitter, so that is likely to help.)
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20:57:22 <TheLie> In case you watch Youtube videos, Invidious is the parallel service to Nitter in that regard.
21:00:17 <zzo38> I do not, but thank you for that information.
21:05:08 <zzo38> I was looking at the web manifest documentation too now, and I suggest adding another possible platform, which is "rfc". This denotes that any program can be used which implements the protocol described by that RFC.
21:06:09 <zzo38> I should also suggest some value to indicate a native program that does not belong to any app store, such as a link to a source code repository.
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00:50:18 <b_jonas> fungot, what is the Kanto Pokedex index for a Zubat?
00:50:18 <fungot> b_jonas: frm, hedkvist petersen, hans karlsson ( pse), in writing.
00:53:44 <zzo38> Actually I have a book of that. The answer is forty-one.
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09:37:33 <Taneb> I think I've made an esoteric dice rolling program, I can't quite figure out if it's possible to do a D&D 5e "roll with advantage" with it
09:38:17 <Arcorann> What features does it have?
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09:39:47 <Taneb> Hang on, I'll post the spec I've written somewhere
09:40:17 <Taneb> https://gist.github.com/Taneb/d8871c6a09b38ba316a8ab93b1696c16
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09:47:28 <Taneb> (it takes inspiration from dc and Underload)
09:57:40 <Taneb> Aha, '20d;20d-+l(-+0)<xp' does it :D
10:15:07 <Arcorann> Neat
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12:42:08 <olsner> I can see that becoming standard notation for dice rolls
12:45:35 <int-e> @dice 3d6-1d20
12:45:35 <lambdabot> int-e: (2+2+2) - 15 => -9
12:46:09 <int-e> three 2s, really?
12:46:11 <int-e> @dice 3d6-1d20
12:46:11 <lambdabot> int-e: (1+3+1) - 7 => -2
12:46:32 <int-e> @dice 3d6-1d20
12:46:32 <lambdabot> int-e: (4+6+4) - 6 => 8
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13:05:46 <fizzie> We bought a box of candies that's essentially a 65d12, and got a result that had 0 of one specific kind; either we're very unlucky, or they're not using fair dice at the factory.
13:06:29 <Arcorann> Is there a calculator bot here?
13:07:13 <fizzie> There's a lot of different programming languages, the non-esoteric ones can pretty feasibly used as calculators.
13:08:38 <fizzie> > 1 + 1
13:08:40 <lambdabot> 2
13:09:48 <int-e> `` dc <<<'1 1+p'
13:09:50 <HackEso> 2
13:11:12 <fizzie> I wanted to add a dc helper so that you could do `dc x y z directly, but then it'd shadow the actual dc, and I couldn't come up with any alternative guessable name for the wrapper, I don't think there's a convention.
13:11:22 <Arcorann> Which one's the easiest to find 1 - (11/12)^65 in?
13:11:30 <fizzie> `` dc -e '1 1+p'
13:11:31 <HackEso> 2
13:11:58 <fizzie> I guess there could be a dc-e, because I think we've got a perl-e.
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13:12:24 <fizzie> `perl-e print 1+1;
13:12:25 <HackEso> 2
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13:13:39 <int-e> > 1 - (11/12)^65
13:13:41 <lambdabot> 0.9965026142016578
13:13:44 <int-e> > 1 - (11/12)^65 :: Rational
13:13:46 <lambdabot> 13972027618997412615763213033014351656206668630973030353623136688948981 % 14...
13:14:08 <int-e> err, right, that's a bit too much
13:14:23 <fizzie> Also, I initially intuitively thought it'd be (11/12)^65 too, but after some reflection, that feels more like the probability of missing a *specific* kind.
13:14:40 <int-e> Indeed it is :)
13:14:58 <int-e> Also, realistically... the kinds may always be biased.
13:16:07 <fizzie> Well, yes. Also, there was a news article saying they removed the one we were missing from production temporarily because of the covid thing (is there *anything* bad you can't blame the virus on?), but that was supposed to be over already.
13:17:05 <fizzie> For the record, this was about Quality Street, which is apparently a special kind of a thing here in the UK, but we'd never had.
13:17:23 <int-e> > let c n 0 = 1; c n k = c (n-1) (k-1) * n `div` k in sum [(-1)^k * (1-fromInteger k/12)^65 * fromInteger (c 12 k) | k <- [0..12]]
13:17:26 <lambdabot> 0.9585004275442837
13:17:52 <fizzie> Yeah, that could still plausibly happen.
13:18:29 <olsner> > 1 - 12*(11/12)^65
13:18:31 <lambdabot> 0.9580313704198934
13:19:17 <int-e> olsner: 12*(11/12)^65 accounts cases where there are fewer than 11 candies multiple times.
13:19:37 <int-e> but obviously it's a decent estimate :)
13:25:56 <b_jonas> fizzie: no way is it that simple. they probably have types of bonbons with different rarities, even if they don't tell you about it and they put an Island in a rare slot as distraction.
13:26:18 <b_jonas> ah, I see int-e already said that
13:27:17 <b_jonas> it needn't be slots for different rarities like in M:tG, there are other ways to implement different rarities of bonbons, and with 65 bonbons you don't need a guaranteed rare to make it feel fair
13:29:04 <b_jonas> fizzie: btw, if each bonbon is chosen independently and uniformly from n bonbons, then you need in average n*log(n) bonbons to find at least one of every type
13:29:40 <b_jonas> "coupon collector problem" is the search keyword
13:30:56 <b_jonas> and that's natural logarithm, and the actual average is a harmonic number, for which this is a good approximation except for n=2 or n=3
13:31:26 <b_jonas> no wait\
13:31:41 <b_jonas> it's supposed to be n*(log(n)-1) right?
13:31:44 <b_jonas> I'm stupid
13:31:58 <b_jonas> make it n*(log(n)-1) then
13:34:52 <b_jonas> or maybe... maybe it's n*log(n) and the average is n plus the harmonic number?
13:34:58 <b_jonas> I've no idea how this works
13:35:03 <b_jonas> sorry
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13:44:12 <Arcorann> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupon_collector%27s_problem <-- It's n * H_n ~ n * (log n + gamma) where gamma is the Euler-Mascheroni constant (0.577...)
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14:56:06 <b_jonas> fungot, how many acows do you suppose the farm has if they have to hire six maids to amilk them?
14:56:06 <fungot> b_jonas: mr president, i asked you to endorse my group's motion, for we want to see a large step forward in the intense debate which occupied the committee on budgetary control, by which i mean true tolerance and not that expressed in the debate.
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15:05:38 <int-e> no amaids?
15:05:48 <b_jonas> amilk sounds like a unix system call, with a random letter like lseek and pread
15:06:30 <int-e> surprisingly not all 5 letter combinations are unix system calls
15:10:27 <b_jonas> int-e: of course not! some clash with established function names from the C library, like clogf, so to clog a file you have to call fcntl with the right arguments instead
15:12:30 <b_jonas> although in some cases you get something where the system call name still exists but the libc wrapper function is called differently, like the exit system call, where the libc wrapper function used to be called _exit, but now that's not good enough for linux either, so now _exit is the wrapper for the system call exit_group just to be confusing
15:12:49 <b_jonas> and no, _Exit isn't it either, that's just a synonym for _exit
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15:14:24 <b_jonas> also some five letter combinations are K&R C keywords, like break, float, short, union, while, so the corresponding system calls had to be renamed after unix married C
15:14:49 <b_jonas> so we have brk and cbrk instead of break now
15:14:50 <fizzie> I know 'l' in lseek is for "long", but never really thought what 'p' in "pread"/"pwrite" might be for.
15:16:15 <int-e> positional?
15:16:44 <b_jonas> fizzie: what does it stand for in pselect and ppoll? does it stand for POSIX anywhere?
15:17:15 <int-e> there's also the p in pthreads, which would indeed be POSIX
15:17:30 <b_jonas> ah true
15:18:14 <b_jonas> and I think it stands for process in ptrace
15:18:23 <b_jonas> (as well as in getpid)
15:18:54 <int-e> (pread seems particularly useful in threaded programs)
15:20:13 <b_jonas> the most mysterious letter prefix is of course u. we have a pretty good guess what it stood for in umount, but there's uname, utime, ustat (obsolete), ulimit (also obsolete)
15:20:14 <int-e> though the more common convention is an r suffix, which may be for re-entrant?
15:20:18 <b_jonas> and umask
15:20:39 <b_jonas> int-e: I think that's a libc convention, not a linux convention
15:21:00 <int-e> why can't they be the same :P
15:21:13 <b_jonas> and there's the v in vfork
15:21:42 <int-e> otoh, in a world where not even programs can get a uniform convention on their command line arguments...
15:22:24 <b_jonas> as for that, I think gnu's long option parser was a big mistake
15:22:29 <int-e> firefox -no-remote -ProfileManager <-- this took me a long time to get correct consistently
15:23:02 <b_jonas> int-e: no, that's just because firefox changes everything once every few years. I think that command has changed at least twice.
15:23:40 <int-e> Well, not in the past 8, maybe 10 years, I think?
15:23:55 <b_jonas> also it's (firefox --no-remote --ProfileManager) according to the output of (firefox --help) – wait, maybe I should try (firefox -help) just in case
15:24:03 <int-e> it's just that one is CamelCase and the other is hyphenated. It's pretty bad.
15:24:15 <b_jonas> nope, firefox -help still shows double dashes for the long options
15:24:42 <b_jonas> int-e: yeah, they changed that one long ago. I'm a long-time firefox user, contiguous with netscape and mozilla suite.
15:25:40 <int-e> I've also been using it since forever, but I don't know when I started using temporary profiles.
15:25:46 <int-e> Which is what I use that command for.
15:25:56 <b_jonas> ok, this gives me an esoteric idea. have a program print different style of options if you invoke it as (foo help), (foo -h), (foo -help), (foo --help), (foo -?), (foo /?)
15:26:47 <b_jonas> I don't use temporary profiles, but I have used multiple profiles a few times, partly to get different firefox processes to coexist easier, and partly to have different settings, including proxy settings
15:26:51 <int-e> and it's quite possible that I've made it through one transition (change of the spelling of those flags) without fully realizing it.
15:27:03 <b_jonas> right now I have a firefox profile for a library proxy
15:27:17 <b_jonas> for accessing some articles on JSTOR and such databases
15:27:59 <b_jonas> btw, I have two different things giving me access to some JSTOR articles, but not all, so now if I meet an article on JSTOR to which I don't have access, I have to waste time trying both of them
15:28:13 <b_jonas> it's like the two watches problem
15:28:16 <int-e> I try to minimize this, but sometimes I need to use a site that sets tons of cookies from multiple domains... and it's easier to just use a fresh profile, do some stuff, and then discard the whole thing again.
15:28:46 <int-e> easier than adding all the prerequisites to the whitelists.
15:29:34 <b_jonas> int-e: isn't that what the "new private window" thing is for in firefox, for not remembering new cookies and similar after you close all windows derived from that?
15:30:01 <int-e> this still wouldn't disable the addons that do the filtering
15:30:03 <b_jonas> oh
15:30:07 <b_jonas> you mean to disable filtering
15:30:08 <b_jonas> ok
15:30:24 <b_jonas> makes sense
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16:03:07 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78612 * Expliked * (+1364) Created page with "PUSH is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:Expliked]] in November 2020. It uses a memory tape that can be appended (pushed) to, and removed (pulled) from. PUSH..."
16:03:34 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78613&oldid=78612 * Expliked * (+5)
16:04:15 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78614&oldid=78613 * Expliked * (+2)
16:06:07 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78615&oldid=78593 * Expliked * (+11) /* P */
16:07:38 <esowiki> [[User:Expliked]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78616 * Expliked * (+82) Created page with "Hello, I'm Expliked. I created the [[PUSH]] language. Many more to come hopefully."
16:09:31 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78617&oldid=78614 * Expliked * (+2)
16:09:48 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78618&oldid=78617 * Expliked * (+4) /* Examples */
16:10:05 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78619&oldid=78618 * Expliked * (+4)
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17:32:29 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * PANOPTES * New user account
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17:53:35 <esowiki> [[Imeight]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78625&oldid=76756 * LegionMammal978 * (+15) fixed title
17:55:48 <esowiki> [[Pipe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78626&oldid=76804 * LegionMammal978 * (+37) Undo revision 76804 by [[Special:Contributions/Redwolf10105|Redwolf10105]] ([[User talk:Redwolf10105|talk]]); repository was made public again
18:01:31 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78627&oldid=78611 * PANOPTES * (+180)
18:02:00 <esowiki> [[PANOPTES's Dumb Burger Thing]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78628 * PANOPTES * (+1784) Procrastination is wild, yo.
18:04:46 <esowiki> [[PANOPTES's Dumb Burger Thing]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78629&oldid=78628 * PANOPTES * (+127) It's weird not to be able to add a line break just by pressing enter.
18:05:31 <esowiki> [[PANOPTES's Dumb Burger Thing]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78630&oldid=78629 * PANOPTES * (-26) Forgot an extra <br>
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19:00:55 <esowiki> [[Ecndpcaalrlp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78632&oldid=65826 * LegionMammal978 * (-1500) duplicate page
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19:51:07 <esowiki> [[BrainForth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78633&oldid=77588 * LegionMammal978 * (+202) fixed formatting
19:52:57 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Mapfuck]] to [[MapFuck]]: fix capitalization
19:54:01 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move_redir * LegionMammal978 * moved [[MapFuck]] to [[Mapfuck]] over redirect: wait no that's not right
19:54:01 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete_redir * LegionMammal978 * LegionMammal978 deleted redirect [[Mapfuck]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[MapFuck]]"
19:54:18 <esowiki> [[Mapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78638&oldid=78636 * LegionMammal978 * (+0) fixed the correct capitalization this time
20:02:48 <esowiki> [[Triad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78639&oldid=77674 * LegionMammal978 * (+14) fixed title
20:05:00 <esowiki> [[Infinifuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78640&oldid=78596 * LegionMammal978 * (+14) fixed title
20:17:57 <esowiki> [[Talk:AnnoyStack]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78641 * LegionMammal978 * (+202) Created page with "This language is not Turing-complete, since programs cannot conditionally halt based on input. ~~~~"
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21:40:31 <arseniiv_impostr> Sense of smell left me today. Feels bizzare. Alcohol-based solution just makes nose warmer inside. Ammoniac still does something radical but it doesn't feel like usual extremely foul smell. And that's when I'm otherwise getting better for a couple of days already
21:42:17 <arseniiv_impostr> I was lucky to be able to smell vanilla powder just before it shut off completely; now I can't
21:42:27 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang]] to [[A.R.T.I.C.L.E.]]: fix title
21:42:53 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78644&oldid=78615 * LegionMammal978 * (-5) /* A */
21:43:09 <esowiki> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78645&oldid=78598 * LegionMammal978 * (-5) /* A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang */
21:43:24 <esowiki> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78646&oldid=78595 * LegionMammal978 * (-5) /* A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang */
21:44:42 <arseniiv_impostr> Nose washing didn't help too, if anyone's interested. I hoped it would return vestiges of smell for a short time but no. Don't know what other experiments I could make
21:46:49 <arseniiv_impostr> Be safe!
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21:48:37 <esowiki> [[PANOPTES's Dumb Burger Thing]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78647&oldid=78630 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+50) cats
21:49:26 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78648&oldid=78622 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+108) /* External resources */ cats
21:50:11 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78649&oldid=78648 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) /* External resources */ This is essentially stack-based
21:52:00 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78650&oldid=78644 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+35) /* P */ Add [[User:PANOPTES]]'s language, [[PANOPTES's Dumb Burger Thing]]
21:56:19 <esowiki> [[Objects In Mirror Are Heavier Than They Appear]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78651&oldid=75272 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+12) clarify
22:01:43 <esowiki> [[Objects In Mirror Are Heavier Than They Appear]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78652&oldid=78651 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+122) /* Object movement */ Finish a sente
22:02:57 <esowiki> [[Particle automaton]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78653&oldid=75042 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+22) see also
22:03:38 <esowiki> [[Bully automaton]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78654&oldid=72659 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+64) see also
22:04:25 <esowiki> [[Cellular automaton]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78655&oldid=57289 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+67) /* History */ see also
22:23:11 <esowiki> [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78656&oldid=78585 * LegionMammal978 * (+0) fixed link
22:30:38 <esowiki> [[Dotcomma]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78657&oldid=78271 * LegionMammal978 * (+6) fixed name
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22:42:25 <zzo38> Fossil allows "fossil help", "fossil -help", and "fossil --help", although "fossil --version" doesn't work (although maybe they fixed that in a new version), and "fossil /help" results in a segmentation fault (maybe they fixed that too).
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23:00:01 <b_jonas> ...
23:00:17 <b_jonas> a segmentation fault is probably not supposed to happen, but I wouldn't have thought of typing /help because nothing takes that
23:00:24 <b_jonas> it's /? for any program that takes slashes
23:01:23 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Elvm]] to [[ELVM]]: fix capitalization
23:01:39 <esowiki> [[ELVM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78660&oldid=78658 * LegionMammal978 * (+6) fixed name
23:05:41 <fizzie> "git: '/?' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. The most similar commands are: am gc mv rm"
23:05:49 <fizzie> ...they're not *that* similar. Okay, fair enough, the Levenshtein distance is just 2.
23:22:59 <esowiki> [[Segmentation Fault]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78661&oldid=78624 * LegionMammal978 * (+6) fixed name
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00:08:32 <esowiki> [[Neural Brainfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78662 * Delta23 * (+1046) Created page with "Neural Brainfuck is an attempt to create a language so that, analog neural networks can be implemented within it. All programs run within an implicit infinite loop. The tape e..."
00:10:08 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78663&oldid=78650 * Delta23 * (+23) added neural brainfuck
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00:14:31 <TheLie> Ooh neural brainfuck sounds neat…
00:18:26 <esowiki> [[Malbolge20]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78664&oldid=66190 * LegionMammal978 * (+8) /* External resources */ updated link
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00:45:26 <esowiki> [[Yboy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78667&oldid=36182 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+13) /* External Links */ deadlink
00:54:27 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78668&oldid=78649 * Expliked * (+622) More syntax added, Code structure page added
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01:35:27 <esowiki> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78678&oldid=78645 * Not applicable * (+679) fixed asparagus and added BRAND NEW ASSEMBLER
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03:14:58 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78681&oldid=78679 * Expliked * (-119) Changing some of the syntax
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04:15:32 <esowiki> [[Talk:PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78683&oldid=78682 * Expliked * (+11)
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04:49:00 <zzo38> b_jonas: Yes, I wouldn't expect /help to work, although it shouldn't be a segmentation fault
05:00:23 <delta23> maybe / does something else?
05:00:31 <delta23> or it's just a bug
05:01:01 <zzo38> Although /? gives an error message, about an unknown command like any other unknown command
05:11:44 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78686&oldid=78685 * Expliked * (+898)
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05:18:36 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78688&oldid=78687 * Expliked * (+0) Updated 99 Bottles of Beer.
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05:50:36 <esowiki> [[Talk:PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78692&oldid=78684 * Tetrapyronia * (+251) oops, forgot to sign :/
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07:18:10 <zzo38> Has anyone constructed a satisfactory Babson task in Magic: the Gathering yet?
07:53:50 <Hooloovo0> what does that mean?
07:55:09 <Hooloovo0> like, babson is a difficult-to-construct problem
07:55:22 <Hooloovo0> O
07:55:44 <zzo38> Well, the meaning is a bit different from chess, due to the different game. If opponent uses some card or option, you must do same one, and the other one won't work.
07:55:48 <Hooloovo0> I'm sure you could encode chess and one of the satisfactory puzzles it in the TM?
07:56:10 <Hooloovo0> oh, I see
07:56:49 <Hooloovo0> hmm, I'm not *super* familiar with MTG, but I think that would be difficult due to the sheer number of cards and options available
07:58:19 <zzo38> Well, a puzzle does not (usually) use all of them, but just a sufficient number of them.
07:59:06 <zzo38> Can you make any Magic: the Gathering puzzles at all, or have seen any or solved any?
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08:14:28 <Hooloovo0> I have not personally
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08:15:16 <zzo38> I have made a few. Not really a lot, though.
08:15:18 <Hooloovo0> I'm going to visit my brother next week... I think you would get along with him
08:15:49 <Hooloovo0> still does some MTG, and did chess team for 4 years
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08:16:45 <shachaf> zzo38: Didn't you make some?
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08:19:15 <zzo38> shachaf: Yes, I did make some. Did you make some by now?
08:19:30 <shachaf> No.
08:19:37 <shachaf> I solved some chess puzzles today, though.
08:19:38 <zzo38> (I don't much play chess or Magic: the Gathering; it is mostly the puzzles I am interested in.)
08:20:05 <shachaf> I also played my first games of chess in years. I'm very bad at it, as it turns out.
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08:23:05 <Hooloovo0> I have never been on chess team
08:23:31 <Hooloovo0> well, I *hung out* with chess team, but never played an actual game. mostly because my bro had the car
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08:33:27 <Arcorann__> Barely played any chess in years, not since high school
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14:51:07 <shachaf> `olist 1219
14:51:09 <HackEso> olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1219.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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13:40:08 <fizzie> Somehow the name of ~ATH always makes me think of the AT modem hangup command, ATH0 (or +++ATH0 in some contexts), even though I expect there really isn't a c onnection.
13:40:33 <fizzie> (Just like there apparently isn't a connection between the "c" and "onnection" in "c onnection"...)
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16:48:22 <b_jonas> you know how like half a decade ago, suddenly everyone and everything called Isis started to have an unfortunate name for none of the fault of the namer, because of recent news? well a lot of things and even some people are named "Corona" or "Korona" and are now suffering the same fate.
16:49:10 <b_jonas> and there's not much we can do about this besides designing all systems to assume that what was a canonical name can become merely a synonym in the future. YES, I'M LOOKING AT YOU, UNICODE CHARACTER DATABASE.
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18:00:04 <zzo38> There are also other kind of corona viruses; the modern kind isn't the only kind.
18:07:09 <b_jonas> Reputedly the same happened to the given name "Adolf" back in the world war
18:07:38 <b_jonas> I just wish something like this would happen to one of the annoying overused names like "Athene"/"Athena" or "Széchenyi".
18:07:45 <b_jonas> I mean if it has to happen at all
18:14:40 <zzo38> Words/names can have other meanings too so they can still be used.
18:16:21 <int-e> fungot: do you prefer your characters singed or unsinged?
18:16:22 <fungot> int-e: madam president, our debate is timely, and mrs jackson's point on amendment 12 which may change relations with turkey, we are not concerned with the serious environmental problems faced by small and medium-sized enterprises, and, finally, mr president of the fnord newspaper. i should like to thank my group, the liberals, myself included, voted for the report on monitoring the application of interim measures are quite str
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18:27:18 <b_jonas> int-e: I prefer them as possibly neither, like in the C standard: eg. I think it's allowed that they compare unsigned but still cause undefined behavior on an unsigned overflow
18:29:41 <b_jonas> one reason why we can deal with this easily is that we can just use unsigned char or signed char everywhere that it matters, because the standard gracefully guarantees that the pointers char *, unsigned char *, signed char *, and their const versions have the same representation, so you can safely cast a char ** to an unsigned char **, not only a char * to an unsigned char *. you can't just cast a char
18:29:47 <b_jonas> *** to an unsigned char *** safely, but at that point you'd be using structs, and pointers to structs also all have the same representation.
18:29:56 <int-e> but that doesn't answer the question
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18:30:38 <b_jonas> alas nothing is guaranteed about functions or pointers to functions, you can't even change a pointer argument to const and call it that way.
18:30:59 <int-e> (note the spelling)
18:31:07 <b_jonas> int-e: ok, in that case, I prefer if char is signed by default, but characters are unsigned
18:33:32 <b_jonas> oh, that reminds me
18:34:54 <b_jonas> zzo38: is there some way to represent for unicode characters as integers that isn't just the UCS character code, but is optimized for working with utf-8 strings so that you have to do fewer shifts when you put or get a character to/from a string?
18:35:55 <zzo38> I always specify signed char or unsigned char if it matters, but sometimes I only need numbers 0 to 127 or some smaller range, so it doesn't matter.
18:36:18 <b_jonas> I was wondering about this because rust is specified to be able to use any representation the compiler wants for its built-in char type, and it could be something like this. it still needs to be able to convert between the UCS code and its char type, because it has "as" casts that do that.
18:36:36 <b_jonas> no wait, I think "as" casts don't do that
18:37:04 <b_jonas> so it doesn't even need those, except in some library functions that deal with utf-16 or utf-32
18:37:19 <zzo38> b_jonas: If you are limited to UTF-8-G (standard Unicode range), then you might avoid shifting by just putting the four bytes together in a 32-bit field, I suppose
18:37:23 <b_jonas> hmm I'm not sure, let me check
18:38:16 <zzo38> (or UTF-8-M it is called, not UTF-8-G)
18:39:42 <b_jonas> it looks like the rust "as" operator can cast from char to UCS code point... but possibly not backwards? I don't know
18:40:13 <b_jonas> zzo38: something like that, but which way do you align it and what endianness do you interpret the utf-8?
18:40:39 <b_jonas> utf-8 is natively big-endian, but you could want to interpret it as little-endian if that's the native endianness
18:41:53 <fizzie> b_jonas: I don't think it's allowed (in C) for `char` to be unsigned but cause undefined behavior on overflow.
18:41:59 <fizzie> It's implementation-defined whether plain `char` is signed or unsigned, but once that choice is made (and documented, which is a requirement for implementation-defined behavior too), it's required to behave just like any other signed or unsigned type.
18:42:14 <b_jonas> fizzie: hmm.
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18:42:23 <zzo38> Either way you will probably have to copy the individual bytes, although how you do that (and what alignment is required) may depend on the computer, I think
18:42:28 <b_jonas> fizzie: I'll look it up.
18:42:35 <fizzie> C11 6.2.5p15: "The implementation shall define `char` to have the same range, representation, *and behavior* as either `signed char` or `unsigned char`."
18:43:04 <fizzie> (It remains a distinct type, but I think the "and behavior" will also cover behavior on overflow.)
18:43:21 <b_jonas> ok
18:47:11 <zzo38> Some programs expect text to be a sequence of Unicode codepoints encoded as UTF-8, even if the text isn't Unicode. This makes it necessary to implement conversion to allow them to be stored in a format which is not invalid UTF-8.
18:48:39 <fizzie> Although it's also true that `char` is not included in the category of /unsigned integer types/, and the overflow rule explicitly says "a computation involving unsigned operands", so maybe there's a little bit of ambiguity of interpretation there on what exactly "same range, representation, and behavior" means. Since it's clearly not all-encompassing, because the types are still distinct at least in
18:48:45 <fizzie> terms of not being compatible types.
18:51:52 <zzo38> (Some programs furthermore expect there to be no null characters, so this is also necessary to work around similarly in some cases.)
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18:56:09 <b_jonas> fizzie: yes, that's what I was confused about, because paragraph 9 there says "A computation involving unsigned operands can never overflow, because a result that cannot be represented by the resulting unsigned integer type is reduced modulo [...]."
18:56:33 <b_jonas> so that seems like it doesn't apply to char, but then they throw in that "behaves the same" that I didn't notice
18:58:33 <b_jonas> zzo38: yeah. like embedding binary data into xml. it's ugly.
19:08:14 <b_jonas> I rather like python's solution, where it defines an extension of utf-8 that can decode any byte string to a string of "characters", in a reversible way, where 128 of the surrogates count as "characters" and python allows them in most character string operations. you can even encode those character strings to an extension of utf-16 (which can contain those 128 surrogates unpaired) and back and it's
19:08:20 <b_jonas> still round-trip compatible.
19:10:23 <b_jonas> one drawback of this is that if you want to extend this to one of those unofficial utf-8 variants with a larger range of characters possible, then the extended utf-8 encoding will be necessarily slightly incompatible with the extended utf-8 encoding for smaller range of characters. but even this is an incompatibility that isn't too ugly.
19:11:18 <b_jonas> the best use for this is to manipulate character strings internally only, inputting and outputting utf-8 or utf-16 etc only, to gracefully handle inputs that contain strings that are supposed to be utf-8 but aren't.
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19:48:32 <zzo38> While this is helpful if the text is expected to be Unicode text, I think that it is not a good idea in general; better would be for most things to assume data is a stream of 8-bit characters, and then have a function to reinterpret it as UTF-8 in case that is what it is.
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20:16:25 <imode> I agree. I'm struggling to figure out whether I should add string literals to my language, or should I force users to work in lists of numbers. and if I add literals, what encoding.
20:18:16 <zzo38> My own suggestion is to add string literals which are just strings of 8-bit characters. Their interpretation is up to the program; some functions may interpret them as UTF-8, but not all will.
20:19:04 <imode> what happens when someone inserts a multibyte character into their source file, then.
20:19:44 <zzo38> Outside of a string literal or comment, it is an error. Inside of a string literal, it is treated as the sequence of bytes that has been entered.
20:20:22 <imode> eh. I'm almost in favor of just forcing you to use numbers instead.
20:49:51 <imode> the problem is that I want it to be expressive. technically nothing stops you from doing something like ( 72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33 ) "Hello,\sworld!" define !
20:50:23 <imode> but you can't write the literals directly, you'd need to define them as a symbol first. everything is a function that can be executed, even unknown symbols.
20:51:01 <imode> all things are separated by some kind of whitespace, the brackets are actually defined in terms of repeated composition and equality.
20:53:06 <imode> symbols by themselves don't have structure to them, and shouldn't have a structure to them. so strings should "reduce" to something smaller, like quotations of numbers. this forces you to think about encoding: what if something doesn't use UTF-8? you're going to have to do something like the above anyway.
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21:04:35 <zzo38> I still think that byte strings would work. If you need to, then I suppose you might have a "utf8" command, so that after the string literal you can write utf8 and then it converts into the list of Unicode code points rather than the raw byte values, I suppose.
21:23:36 <imode> it also means extra work for the parser.
21:25:18 <zzo38> Well, yes, it would have to parse string literals, just as much as, it would also have to parse numbers, comments, etc.
21:28:23 <imode> not really. sorry, should've specified: my language is concatenative. the most I do for parsing is split on whitespace.
21:29:47 <zzo38> The other way is like how Forth is doing, I suppose.
21:30:44 <imode> yeah, define parsing words.
21:43:49 <b_jonas> zzo38: yes, it's only useful when the text is expected to be utf-8, but that is common. if you don't know the encoding, then you treat it as a byte string, or as iso-8859-1 encoded if you wish.
21:45:19 <b_jonas> but when I work with inputs and outputs some of which are encoded utf-8 and others are encoded utf-16-le, I need to be able to read input as utf-8 so I can match strings between the two sorts of input and output it as either encoding.
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21:51:03 <zzo38> OK
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08:39:33 <zzo38> Now I have managed to get most of the levels of the "sandy1" puzzle set to load correctly in Free Hero Mesh, although some levels have some tiles with green backgrounds that aren't supposed to be green and repeated objects where there is supposed to be only one.
08:40:33 <shachaf> hi zzo38
08:40:42 <shachaf> How much chess do you play?
08:40:45 <shachaf> What's your rating?
08:44:19 <zzo38> I do not play chess much, and do not have a rating.
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00:00:13 <esowiki> [[Talk:Super Stack!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78812 * Aanastasiou * (+840) Minor note in an attempt to contact user Orange
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05:11:19 <BB42> Hi, I'm that crazy dude from a few months ago that was using an implementation of The Waterfall Method in Magic the Gathering to make the biggest finite combo possible
05:11:22 <BB42> (if the machine loops, neither player can progress the game and it is a draw)
05:12:31 <BB42> I have a few questions for ais523 (or really anyone who knows TWM) that could help optimize
05:14:38 <BB42> Was there ever progress in working out if the "flooding" version was turing complete?
05:15:31 <BB42> I doubt it as it didnt look hopeful, but was maybe possible?
05:18:24 <BB42> What is the minimum number of clocks to be Turing complete? The Spiral rise page has 6+halt clock, is that still the known minimum?
05:22:46 <BB42> If we are limited to ~130 clocks (number of creature types in MTG/2) Can we make a UTM that only needs its initial waterclock values reset without changing the actual programming?
05:23:26 <BB42> Thanks a lot for your help
05:25:21 <zzo38> Often, new creature types are added in newer versions of the rules, after more cards are added.
05:26:09 <BB42> yeah but it is slow
05:26:52 <BB42> i doubt there will be a creature type explosion with 50+ new ones
05:28:20 <zzo38> Yes; just figure out the minimum number of clocks needed to make the UTM you mentioned, I suppose.
05:29:02 <BB42> Yeah but I don't know how to do that >.<
05:29:15 <BB42> build that UTM
05:30:44 <BB42> Also just to show where we are targeting, current best estimates put our last mostly working deck at BB_w^2+w+3_(X)
05:32:03 <zzo38> Also, I think is meant "The Waterfall Model", not "The Waterfall Method", isn't it?
05:32:14 <BB42> yes sorry
05:34:18 <BB42> BB_0_(X) = BB(X) BB_1_(X)=BB^X(X) (X nested applications of Busy Beaver)
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05:35:43 <BB42> and that w^2 +w+3 number is from the Fast growing hierarchy
05:35:59 <zzo38> OK
05:41:24 <zzo38> Can Shahrazad exceed Turing complete?
05:44:51 <BB42> it doesnt really help as our opponent would start decking if we recursed too far, and the benefit in the main game is negligible
05:48:29 <zzo38> I do keep all of the previous versions of the rules as far as I can (I may be missing some; I don't know), mainly for the purpose of puzzles. (I should keep track of changes of Oracle texts too probably, since sometimes there are relevant changes.)
05:48:49 <zzo38> I don't know if any of these changes will affect the constructions you have described.
05:57:28 <BB42> the construction works in the current rules
06:00:27 <zzo38> Yes, I expected that, but I was mentioning in case some things may be sensitive to such changes
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06:29:32 <zzo38> Can you make a (orthodox) puzzle which depends on the exact number of possible creature types?
06:31:40 <zzo38> (Also, is it possible to do this with land types?)
08:04:27 <BB42> so for creature types the puzzle is something like: Opponent has Coat of arms, Precursor golem, and X 3/3 golem tokens, You have Artificial evolution and Lightning bolt
08:05:09 <BB42> if X is too big you cant kill all of the golems
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08:49:08 <BB42> (actually that doesnt work as you can do 3 to all the golems then make them cats or w/e one by one)
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23:56:10 <b_jonas> zzo38: well the way to make players enumerate as many creature types as they can is something like this. both players have 1 life; two thousand sliver tokens with 1/1 base p/t; and a Coat of Arms. active player has a wurm token with 1000 +1/+1 counters and enchanted with Flight. non-active player has one Might Sliver, Mistform Sliver, Gemhide Sliver, Vedalken Orrery, Retribution of the Meek.
23:58:21 <b_jonas> non-active player has to cast Retribution of the MEek to destroy the wurm. as a reaction, players have to save as many of their slivers as they can by Mistforming them to a unique creature type, or to a creature type that the opponent has so that it's no longer unique. only the creatures with unique creature types survive. if anyone has more slivers surviving, they can use it to win in combat.
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00:04:06 <b_jonas> to make something like a puzzle from this, you probably want to force the game to also count whether there are an even or odd number of creatures, in such a way that that the outcome of the game is decided by whether there are an odd number of creature types. you can't really do that with this construction, but perhaps if you had each creature gain +1/+1 only from creatures of the same controller, and
00:04:12 <b_jonas> changed the timing by having a Fog effect this turn and a Retribution effect only the next turn, and have a Chaos Lord with indestructible, you could put something together.
00:04:22 <b_jonas> it doesn't seem easy to get an elegant puzzle from this though.
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06:41:44 <BB42> Though a bit more on how to puzzle the creature types: opponent has Ensnaring bridge and coat of arms while we have precursor golem and X base 3/3 golem tokens
06:42:21 <BB42> Artificial evolution is needed to shrink all of our golems to unique types so they all can attack
06:43:21 <BB42> (assuming the bridge is set to 3)
06:44:07 <BB42> and we get to deal 3*X damage to exactly kill them as long as X<the number of valid creature types
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12:25:03 <b_jonas> BB42: see chat log about the creature type count thing
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14:49:15 <uninitialized-pt> whois zzo38
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16:37:34 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv
16:37:36 <HackEso> bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ f \ factor \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom
16:37:42 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/esobible
16:37:43 <HackEso> gen_sys_1.0-1:0 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:1 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:2 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:2.5 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:3 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:4 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:5
16:37:50 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/esobiblegen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:37:51 <HackEso> ls: cannot access '/hackenv/esobiblegen_sys_1.0-1:0': No such file or directory
16:37:57 <uninitialized-pt> `cat /hackenv/esobiblegen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:37:58 <HackEso> cat: '/hackenv/esobiblegen_sys_1.0-1:0': No such file or directory
16:38:06 <uninitialized-pt> `type /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:07 <HackEso> type? No such file or directory
16:38:11 <uninitialized-pt> `whatis /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:12 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0: nothing appropriate.
16:38:17 <uninitialized-pt> `whois /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:17 <HackEso> whois? No such file or directory
16:38:22 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:22 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:34 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:35 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:38 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0/hackenv
16:38:39 <HackEso> ls: cannot access '/hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0/hackenv': Not a directory
16:38:45 <uninitialized-pt> `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:46 <HackEso> First off, fungot bases eir arrays at 0, like a normal person.
16:38:57 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/esobible#/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:58 <HackEso> ls: cannot access '/hackenv/esobible#/gen_sys_1.0-1:0': No such file or directory
16:39:01 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/esobible #/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:39:03 <HackEso> ls: cannot access '/hackenv/esobible #/gen_sys_1.0-1:0': No such file or directory
16:39:07 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/esobible
16:39:08 <HackEso> gen_sys_1.0-1:0 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:1 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:2 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:2.5 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:3 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:4 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:5
16:39:14 <uninitialized-pt> `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:1
16:39:15 <HackEso> In the beginning fungot created #esoteric and esovanna.
16:39:17 <uninitialized-pt> `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:2
16:39:18 <HackEso> And #esoteric was without denizens, and empty; and the order was on the face of the PDP-8. And the software of fungot moved upon the face of the scrollback.
16:39:27 <uninitialized-pt> `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:2:5
16:39:28 <HackEso> cat: '/hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:2:5': No such file or directory
16:39:37 <uninitialized-pt> `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:2.5
16:39:38 <HackEso> And fungot checked if the build environment was sane, and saw that there was no build environment in the first place, and deemed that to be close enough.
16:39:48 <uninitialized-pt> `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:3
16:39:48 <HackEso> And fungot PMed the universe, Let there be sockets, at let one be on port 6667 for the common folk and one on 6697 for those who desire some basic fucking security: and there were two sockets, and on 6667 was one for the commonfolk and on 6697 was one for those who desired some basic fucking security.
16:40:14 <uninitialized-pt> `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:4
16:40:15 <HackEso> And fungot pinged the sockets, and saw that they responded before they timed out (but just barely; the internet was kind of slow before the universe was created), and e saw that it was good: and fungot divided the cloud from the hard drive.
16:40:31 <uninitialized-pt> `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:5
16:40:32 <HackEso> And fungot called the cloud internet, and the hard drive *nix. And the DNS and the server were upon the first day.
16:40:43 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/esobible
16:40:44 <HackEso> gen_sys_1.0-1:0 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:1 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:2 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:2.5 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:3 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:4 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:5
16:41:00 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/
16:41:01 <HackEso> bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ f \ factor \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom
16:41:05 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/bin
16:41:06 <HackEso> ​ \ \ \ ! \ " \ # \ ' \ ( \ ? \ ?? \ @ \ ^.^ \ ` \ `^ \ `` \ ¿ \ ؟ \ ⁗ \ `̀ \ welcome \ ,1 \ 1 \ 13 \ 1492 \ ,2 \ 2 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 5w \ 8-ball \ 8ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ acronym \ addquote \ addscowrevs \ addtodo \ addwhatis \ age \ aglist \ airport \ airport-lookup \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ as86 \ as-encoding \ asm \ asmbf \ asmbfx \ autowelcome \ bardsworthli
16:41:13 <uninitialized-pt> `nooodle
16:41:14 <HackEso> nooodle? No such file or directory
16:41:24 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/bin/welcome
16:41:24 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/welcome
16:41:28 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/bin/
16:41:29 <HackEso> ​ \ \ \ ! \ " \ # \ ' \ ( \ ? \ ?? \ @ \ ^.^ \ ` \ `^ \ `` \ ¿ \ ؟ \ ⁗ \ `̀ \ welcome \ ,1 \ 1 \ 13 \ 1492 \ ,2 \ 2 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 5w \ 8-ball \ 8ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ acronym \ addquote \ addscowrevs \ addtodo \ addwhatis \ age \ aglist \ airport \ airport-lookup \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ as86 \ as-encoding \ asm \ asmbf \ asmbfx \ autowelcome \ bardsworthli
16:41:33 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/bin/welcome
16:41:34 <HackEso> ls: cannot access '/hackenv/bin/welcome ': No such file or directory
16:41:50 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/bin/`̀
16:41:51 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/`̀
16:41:56 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/bin/ `̀
16:41:57 <HackEso> ls: cannot access '/hackenv/bin/ `̀': No such file or directory
16:42:00 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/bin/`̀
16:42:01 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/`̀
16:42:11 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/bin/¿
16:42:12 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/¿
16:42:16 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/bin/¿/hackenv
16:42:17 <HackEso> ls: cannot access '/hackenv/bin/¿/hackenv': Not a directory
16:42:28 <uninitialized-pt> cat /tmp
16:42:32 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /tmp
16:42:33 <HackEso> No output.
16:43:14 <uninitialized-pt> `hg
16:43:16 <HackEso> Mercurial Distributed SCM \ \ basic commands: \ \ add add the specified files on the next commit \ annotate show changeset information by line for each file \ clone make a copy of an existing repository \ commit commit the specified files or all outstanding changes \ diff diff repository (or selected files) \ export dump the header and diffs for one or more changesets \ forget forge
16:43:40 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/.hg
16:43:41 <HackEso> 00changelog.i \ bookmarks \ branch \ cache \ dirstate \ hgrc \ last-message.txt \ requires \ store \ strip-backup \ undo.backup.bookmarks \ undo.backup.dirstate \ undo.bookmarks \ undo.branch \ undo.desc \ undo.dirstate
16:43:50 <uninitialized-pt> `cat /hackenv/.hg/last-message.txt
16:43:50 <HackEso> ​<wib_jonas> `` perl -pi -e \'s/xrange/range/\' /hackenv/bin/password
16:43:58 <uninitialized-pt> `cat /hackenv/.hg/dirstate
16:43:59 <HackEso> ​iԁ]nkAV~i....................n....Y`y...Finterps/clc-intercal/inst/lib/perl5/Language/INTERCAL/GenericIO/TCP.pmn....OY`y...interps/c-intercal/oilout0c.cn.....@Z.A...wisdom/underloadn....'Y`y...6interps/cfunge/cfunge-src/tests/refc-invalid-deref.b98n.....lZI...interps/rhotor/build.shn....0Y`y...interps/c-intercal/oilout0c.on.....'Y`y...wisdom/famicomn.....YvG...wisdom/shebang_args_or_inputn..
16:44:04 <uninitialized-pt> `ls /hackenv/.hg/dirstate
16:44:09 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/.hg/dirstate
16:44:24 <uninitialized-pt> Hello Fungot, I test you
16:44:33 <uninitialized-pt> Hello fungot, I test you
16:44:34 <fungot> uninitialized-pt: mr president, the europe of the fifteen, but for that practical reason, i can commit to it only with the arab world and the forced repatriation policy and the structural and short-term causes of migration through appropriate measures relating to vessels with flags of convenience in the seas of the whole wood depends. on the contrary, this involved compulsory cofinancing imposed on the production of a handicapp
16:44:47 <uninitialized-pt> the hell fungot
16:44:48 <fungot> uninitialized-pt: mr president, here we are simply swallowing whatever the commission serves up, or as president of this parliament. firstly, as a community are setting the ethical boundaries for society. trying to establish a completely equal relationship between the scrapie naturally occurring in sheep and bse, consumers want more than this because, however unexpected it may be commercially rather more appealing for europe to
16:45:17 <uninitialized-pt> for europe to what, fungot?
16:45:17 <fungot> uninitialized-pt: madam president, i prefer the voluntary approach to adopting common standards in as short a period to decide whether and how human rights policy.
16:45:46 <uninitialized-pt> fnord fungot?
16:45:47 <fungot> uninitialized-pt: mr president, the commission has now presented a list of some 12 kilometres. all together that is the basic idea behind setting up a european summit coordinating all the important issues which affect the substance of the measure.
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16:46:57 <uninitialized-pt> ^bf ++++++[>++++++<-]>+++.
16:46:57 <fungot> '
16:47:00 <uninitialized-pt> ^bf ++++++[>++++++<-]>+++.+.+.
16:47:00 <fungot> '()
16:47:25 <uninitialized-pt> ^ul (I dont know Underload)
16:47:42 <uninitialized-pt> ^ul (:::::::):(:((^:()~((:)*~^)a~*^!!()~^))~*()~^^)~(^a(*~^)*a~*()~^!()~^)a~**^!!^S
16:47:42 <fungot> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ...too much output!
16:47:52 <uninitialized-pt> ^style
16:47:52 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
16:47:57 <uninitialized-pt> ^style discworld
16:47:57 <fungot> Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
16:48:17 <uninitialized-pt> Hello fungot, how is A Tuin doing:
16:48:26 <uninitialized-pt> fungot?
16:48:51 <uninitialized-pt> what happened to fungot
16:49:49 <uninitialized-pt> ^style fungot
16:49:49 <fungot> Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
16:49:53 <uninitialized-pt> yes fungot work
16:50:07 <uninitialized-pt> ^style europarl*
16:50:07 <fungot> Not found.
16:50:08 <uninitialized-pt> ^style europarl
16:50:08 <fungot> Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
16:50:17 <uninitialized-pt> hello fungot do you work
16:51:11 <uninitialized-pt> for europe to what, fungot?
16:56:06 <uninitialized-pt> ^style
16:56:06 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
16:56:21 <uninitialized-pt> ^style nethack
16:56:21 <fungot> Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal)
16:56:29 <uninitialized-pt> isnt that rifht, fungot
16:58:37 <uninitialized-pt> i broek it
17:01:42 <uninitialized-pt> ^fungot fix
17:04:43 <uninitialized-pt> ^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++...
17:04:43 <fungot> ###
17:04:49 <uninitialized-pt> ^bf --------...
17:04:49 <fungot>
17:04:59 <uninitialized-pt> fungot, you not work right.
17:05:06 <uninitialized-pt> ^style
17:05:06 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
17:05:07 <uninitialized-pt> ^style
17:05:07 <fungot> Not found.
17:05:09 <uninitialized-pt> ^style agora
17:05:09 <fungot> Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical)
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19:43:00 <esowiki> [[FROM HERE TO THERE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78835&oldid=78833 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+126) /* Syntax */ rearrange sentence
19:43:56 <esowiki> [[FROM HERE TO THERE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78836&oldid=78835 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+93) /* Special values of x */ LINE
19:44:08 <esowiki> [[FROM HERE TO THERE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78837&oldid=78836 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+10) /* Values of y */ 0-index
19:45:47 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78838&oldid=78731 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+42) /* More examples */ clarify according to my understanding
19:49:02 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Brainflow]] to [[BrainFlow]]: fix capitalization
19:49:02 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Talk:Brainflow]] to [[Talk:BrainFlow]]: fix capitalization
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21:16:12 <uninitializedPtr> hello fungot, are you working again?
21:16:12 <fungot> uninitializedPtr: a frankenstein monster detects and reports the mark e is the number of
21:16:17 <uninitializedPtr> ^style discworld
21:16:17 <fungot> Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
21:16:18 <uninitializedPtr> hello fungot, are you working again?
21:16:19 <fungot> uninitializedPtr: ' only for a moment dorfl was framed in the doorway. coalface was a basically horizontal shape, a dark mass of fracture lines and sheer surfaces. his eyes never left each other's face, but the fact is, in the cautious manner of someone giving a conjuror his watch while remaining aware that the entertainment seemed to be
21:16:47 * int-e dereferences uninitializedPtr to see what happens
21:17:03 <int-e> "random teleport"
21:17:33 <uninitializedPtr> fungot sounds like Terry had a stroke
21:17:34 <fungot> uninitializedPtr: " hah, i'd like to write it down..."
21:18:32 <esowiki> [[BrainFlow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78843&oldid=78839 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+3) [-]
21:18:45 <uninitializedPtr> ^style
21:18:45 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld* enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
21:18:57 <uninitializedPtr> ^style darwin
21:18:57 <fungot> Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy)
21:19:05 <uninitializedPtr> fungot is working again. woohoo
21:19:06 <fungot> uninitializedPtr:/ work was interrupted by/ preparation :)/ series,/ least intelligent members, namely fishes, amphibians, and reptiles.
21:19:51 <uninitializedPtr> ^style ; ^style discworld
21:19:51 <fungot> Not found.
21:19:55 <uninitializedPtr> ^style && ^style discworld
21:19:55 <fungot> Not found.
21:21:18 <uninitializedPtr> ^style discworld
21:21:18 <fungot> Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
21:21:35 <uninitializedPtr> fungot shall fall off the rim
21:21:54 <uninitializedPtr> Hello fungot?
21:23:01 <uninitializedPtr> ^style discworld
21:23:01 <fungot> Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
21:23:08 <uninitializedPtr> fungot
21:23:30 <myname> sometimes, fungot is too lazy
21:23:31 <fungot> myname: granny stood on the breeze, was climbing up the wall of chain mail with an extra pair of hands, raised in the city are hailed with cries such as, what happens even if we die."
21:24:02 <uninitializedPtr> I think fungot hates me now
21:24:02 <fungot> uninitializedPtr: " it's got all ducks and hens on it, sir, since you mention it, glad to be free?' said
21:29:34 <uninitializedPtr> `l
21:29:35 <HackEso> l? No such file or directory
21:29:36 <uninitializedPtr> `ls
21:29:37 <HackEso> asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ eGtbSgN68aHU \ just \ karma \ le \ olist.new \ output.b \ paste \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh
21:29:41 <uninitializedPtr> `cat banana.txt
21:29:43 <HackEso> Bananas taste good and have potassium, but they bruise kinda easily. I still like to eat them though :)
21:29:51 <uninitializedPtr> `cat output.b
21:29:52 <HackEso> ​+>+[<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]>>[-]++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<]<<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]<<<[-]>[-]>>]<<]
21:29:58 <uninitializedPtr> `cat output.b | bf
21:29:59 <HackEso> cat: 'output.b | bf': No such file or directory
21:30:05 <uninitializedPtr> `cat "output.b" | bf
21:30:07 <HackEso> cat: '"output.b" | bf': No such file or directory
21:30:12 <uninitializedPtr> bf output.b
21:30:15 <uninitializedPtr> `bf output.b
21:30:17 <HackEso> ​.
21:30:29 <uninitializedPtr> ^bf +>+[<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]>>[-]++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<]<<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]<<<[-]>[-]>>]<<]
21:30:29 <fungot> 0
21:30:56 <uninitializedPtr> `bf
21:30:57 <HackEso> Run what?
21:31:02 <uninitializedPtr> `bf /dev/null
21:31:03 <HackEso> No output.
21:31:14 <uninitializedPtr> `python
21:31:15 <HackEso> No output.
21:31:24 <uninitializedPtr> `python -c "print(ord('.'))"
21:31:25 <HackEso> ​ File "<string>", line 1 \ "print(ord('.'))" \ ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent
21:31:49 <uninitializedPtr> `echo "print(ord('.'))" > python.py
21:31:50 <HackEso> ​"print(ord('.'))" > python.py
21:31:55 <uninitializedPtr> `echo "print(ord('.'))" >> python.py
21:31:56 <HackEso> ​"print(ord('.'))" >> python.py
21:32:06 <uninitializedPtr> `python -c print(ord('.'))
21:32:07 <HackEso> ​ File "<string>", line 1 \ print(ord('.')) \ ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent
21:32:13 <uninitializedPtr> `python -c "print(ord('.'))"
21:32:14 <HackEso> ​ File "<string>", line 1 \ "print(ord('.'))" \ ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent
21:32:30 <uninitializedPtr> screw it, Il'll use Idle
21:32:42 <imode> gud botspam
21:33:50 <imode> the ord is 46, by the way.
21:36:07 <uninitializedPtr> I know. I have Idle
21:36:20 <uninitializedPtr> But why have Python if it can't be run?
21:36:32 <uninitializedPtr> `touch test
21:36:33 <HackEso> No output.
21:36:37 <uninitializedPtr> `cat tes
21:36:38 <HackEso> cat: tes: No such file or directory
21:36:39 <uninitializedPtr> `cat test
21:36:40 <HackEso> a
21:36:52 <uninitializedPtr> `touch this.py
21:36:53 <HackEso> No output.
21:37:29 <imode> `python -c 'print("Hello, world!")'
21:37:30 <HackEso> ​ File "<string>", line 1 \ 'print("Hello, world!")' \ ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent
21:37:43 <imode> `python -c 'print("Hello, world!");'
21:37:44 <HackEso> ​ File "<string>", line 1 \ 'print("Hello, world!");' \ ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent
21:37:47 <uninitializedPtr> `type dd
21:37:48 <HackEso> type? No such file or directory
21:37:50 <uninitializedPtr> `dd
21:37:51 <HackEso> 0+0 records in \ 0+0 records out \ 0 bytes copied, 0.000937216 s, 0.0 kB/s
21:38:22 <uninitializedPtr> printf "print(ord('.'))" | dd conv=notrunc oflag=append bs=1 of=configer.py
21:38:32 <uninitializedPtr> `printf "print(ord('.'))" | dd conv=notrunc oflag=append bs=1 of=configer.py
21:38:32 <HackEso> ​"print(ord('.'))" | dd conv=notrunc oflag=append bs=1 of=configer.py
21:38:46 <uninitializedPtr> oh, come on
21:38:50 <int-e> `` printf "Hi"
21:38:51 <HackEso> Hi
21:38:56 <int-e> `cat bin/`
21:38:56 <HackEso> cat: 'bin/`': No such file or directory
21:39:05 <uninitializedPtr> `cat /bin
21:39:06 <int-e> `cat ../bin/`
21:39:06 <HackEso> cat: /bin: Is a directory
21:39:07 <HackEso> ​#!/bin/bash \ cmd="${@-quote}" \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$cmd" | rnooodl
21:39:09 <imode> `echo 'print("Hello, world!")' | python -c -
21:39:10 <HackEso> ​'print("Hello, world!")' | python -c -
21:39:24 <uninitializedPtr> I have started a trend
21:39:28 <uninitializedPtr> `sed -i '$a alias list='"'"'ls -cl --group-directories-first'"'" config.pyu
21:39:29 <HackEso> Usage: /bin/sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ --debug \ annotate program execution \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ add the contents of script-file to the commands to be exe
21:39:54 <int-e> the syntax is `cmd and then one single option without any regard to quotation or similar shenenigans
21:39:54 <uninitializedPtr> `sed -i "print(ord('.'))" config.pyu
21:39:54 <HackEso> Usage: /bin/sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ --debug \ annotate program execution \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ add