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00:13:30 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Policy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141710&oldid=141709 * Ais523 * (+58) /* I don't want some people to abuse their signatures to show that they're getting too much support or opposition. */ {{unsigned}}, indent my comment
00:18:38 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141711&oldid=140631 * None1 * (+359) /* (idea)Introducing SyntaxHighlight? */
00:24:19 <esolangs> [[User:Yb1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141712&oldid=123648 * Yb1 * (-135) redesigned
00:49:07 <esolangs> [[10 1]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141713 * PrySigneToFry * (+807) Created page with "''10 1'' is an Esolang designed by PSTF. == Commands == {| class="wikitable" |+ Command table |- ! CMD !! Mean |- | || + in Brainfuck |- | || <nowiki>-</nowiki> in Brainfuck |- | || <nowiki>></nowiki> in Brainfuck |- | || <nowiki><</nowiki> in Brainfuck |- | ||
00:49:21 <esolangs> [[10 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141714&oldid=141713 * PrySigneToFry * (+10)
00:49:57 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141715&oldid=141341 * PrySigneToFry * (+11)
00:54:08 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141716&oldid=141691 * PrySigneToFry * (+740) /* If you want, make this scarier. */ new section
00:55:27 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Policy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141717&oldid=141710 * None1 * (+291) /* I don't want some people to abuse their signatures to show that they're getting too much support or opposition. */
00:57:36 <esolangs> [[10 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141718&oldid=141714 * None1 * (+199) /* Example */
01:10:43 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141719&oldid=141664 * None1 * (+63)
01:16:28 <esolangs> [[C40]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141720 * L4.m2 * (+353) Created page with "'''C40''' is a language based on C, but each function is at most 40 bytes. ==Examples== ===Hello World=== int main(){return!puts("Hello World!");} ===a+b=== int f(){int x;scanf("%d",&x);return x;} void g(int x){printf("%d",x);} int main(){g(f()+f());return 0;} ==Backgro
01:17:47 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141721&oldid=141667 * L4.m2 * (+52)
01:23:15 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My Rate to the user that I know]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141722 * PrySigneToFry * (+1354) Created page with "{| class="wikitable" |+ No caption here |- ! Username !! Rate |- | PrySigneToFry || 100() |- | None1 || 85() |- | MihaiEso || 92() |- | ais523 || |- | tommyaweosme || 5() |- | Unname4798 || 60() |- | Ractangle ||
01:23:46 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141723&oldid=139996 * PrySigneToFry * (+97)
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02:14:07 <esolangs> [[Category:Alien]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141725&oldid=141724 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-3479) Blanked the page
02:38:41 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Category:Alien]]": unapproved category, no clear definition
02:40:03 <esolangs> [[Feed the Chaos]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141726&oldid=141344 * Ais523 * (+3) /* Interpreter */ add missing word
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04:17:21 <esolangs> [[Bouncy Counters]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141727&oldid=140555 * Ais523 * (+1) /* Semantics */ fix typo
05:01:39 <esolangs> [[Wow! First genetically proven scaleless ball python!!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141728 * DifferentDance8 * (+6167) Yes, I am aware that the formatting is weird but I have no idea how to fix this
05:04:19 <esolangs> [[BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141729 * DifferentDance8 * (+19) Redirected page to [[Bbtos]]
05:04:26 <esolangs> [[Delta Relay]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141730 * Ais523 * (+13563) new language!
05:04:57 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141731&oldid=141715 * Ais523 * (+18) /* D */ +[[Delta Relay]]
05:05:35 <esolangs> [[User:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141732&oldid=141342 * Ais523 * (+17) +[[Delta Relay]]
05:06:08 <esolangs> [[Flow of Holes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141733&oldid=138921 * Ais523 * (+18) /* See also */ +[[Delta Relay]]
05:06:36 <esolangs> [[Bouncy Counters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141734&oldid=141727 * Ais523 * (+18) /* See also */ +[[Delta Relay]]
05:08:46 <esolangs> [[Wow! First genetically proven scaleless ball python!!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141735&oldid=141728 * Ais523 * (+8) fix closing </code> tags
05:14:28 <esolangs> [[User:DifferentDance8/Contributions]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141736 * DifferentDance8 * (+41) Created page with "{{Special:Contributions/DifferentDance8}}"
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05:44:12 <esolangs> [[Stun Step]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141737&oldid=83206 * Ais523 * (+1574) finally complete the Turing-completeness proof, now that [[Delta Relay]] is available as a reversible Waterfall-alike to base the proof on
05:48:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141738&oldid=140745 * Ais523 * (+958) /* Counter-based languages */ new section
05:51:23 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/block]] reblock * Ais523 * changed block settings for [[User:Tommyaweosme]] with an expiration time of indefinite (autoblock disabled): restoring previous partial block settings: repeated attempts to disturb the use of the Sandbox for testing, e.g. by changing section headers or instructions, or warring to keep edits present and only minimal us
05:55:30 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141739&oldid=141639 * DifferentDance8 * (+629) /* Don't feed the trolls, guys! */ new section
06:07:46 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141740 * PrySigneToFry * (+3406) Created page with "[[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again6|]] ORK 1. Go ahead and pull out the lump of files that had been completely destroyed <pre> ..."
06:08:41 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again6]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141741&oldid=141665 * PrySigneToFry * (+81)
06:09:22 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141742&oldid=141721 * PrySigneToFry * (+66)
06:17:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141743&oldid=141739 * Ais523 * (+2402) /* Editing talkpage comments */ explaining the issues and the new partial block
06:19:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141744&oldid=141743 * Ais523 * (+459) /* Don't feed the trolls, guys! */ not generally a troll
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06:28:30 <esolangs> [[Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141745&oldid=120697 * Ais523 * (+668) explain what a golfing language is
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07:17:07 <esolangs> [[Talk:Stun Step]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141747&oldid=57332 * Ais523 * (+441) /* Ideas for TC proof */ finally got it to work
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07:51:57 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[]] to [[C-like language]]
07:52:59 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141750&oldid=141748 * Ractangle * (-164)
07:55:31 <esolangs> [[B]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141751&oldid=141702 * Ractangle * (-3)
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08:27:54 <esolangs> [[Thutu]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141764&oldid=79008 * Ais523 * (-24) /* See also */ fix broken link; also unpipe it, the unpiped version is clearer that it's just one example rather than a link to an entire article about hello world programs in Thutu
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09:10:18 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141785&oldid=141750 * DifferentDance8 * (+36) Okay, so the syntax is "almost the same as" C... so then, what are the differences that are there? (This also automatically implies unimplementation)
09:10:20 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Hakerh400 * uploaded "[[File:Grid logic - Example 031.png]]"
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09:16:09 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141796&oldid=141785 * Ractangle * (+41)
09:19:39 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141797&oldid=141796 * Ractangle * (+1) mb it's actually #include and not #define
09:22:02 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141798&oldid=141797 * Ractangle * (+138) /* Syntax */
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09:23:41 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141799&oldid=141798 * Ractangle * (+1)
09:25:48 <esolangs> [[Grid logic]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141800 * Hakerh400 * (+6574) +[[Grid logic]]
09:26:21 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141801&oldid=141731 * Hakerh400 * (+17) +[[Grid logic]]
09:26:34 <esolangs> [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141802&oldid=138168 * Hakerh400 * (+17) +[[Grid logic]]
09:27:44 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141803&oldid=141738 * Keymaker * (+311) Agree.
09:29:55 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141804&oldid=141716 * PrySigneToFry * (+961) /* */ new section
09:31:44 <esolangs> [[Grid logic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141805&oldid=141800 * Hakerh400 * (+1) /* Example 15 */
09:32:13 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141806&oldid=141649 * PrySigneToFry * (+124)
09:32:35 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141807&oldid=141806 * PrySigneToFry * (-124)
09:34:18 <esolangs> [[Grid logic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141808&oldid=141805 * Hakerh400 * (+65)
09:35:12 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141809&oldid=141799 * Ractangle * (-13)
09:37:23 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141810&oldid=141809 * Ractangle * (+78) /* Syntax */
09:37:54 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141811&oldid=141810 * Ractangle * (+18) /* Syntax */
09:38:18 <esolangs> [[Grid logic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141812&oldid=141808 * Hakerh400 * (+46)
09:39:44 <esolangs> [[Grid logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141813&oldid=141812 * Hakerh400 * (+0) /* Complexity class */
09:40:15 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141814&oldid=140360 * Ractangle * (+16)
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09:41:39 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141815&oldid=141814 * Ractangle * (-31) Do not just jump to conclusion that this esolang is turning complete
09:41:40 <esolangs> [[Clandestine Endorsement]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141816&oldid=110233 * Keymaker * (+1) Assuming in this sentence "define below" should be "defined below".
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09:45:04 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141817&oldid=141811 * DifferentDance8 * (-8) well, that's good enough for me! stub status revoked
09:46:07 <esolangs> [[Talk:*python]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141818 * DifferentDance8 * (+0) Created blank page
09:47:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141819&oldid=141818 * DifferentDance8 * (+366) /* Is it turing complete? */ new section
09:47:46 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141820&oldid=140811 * PrySigneToFry * (+172)
09:48:37 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141821&oldid=141815 * Ractangle * (-8) /* Truth-machine */
09:49:06 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141822&oldid=141820 * PrySigneToFry * (+110) More Esolangs
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09:50:48 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141823&oldid=141329 * Ractangle * (+58) /* (top, height) */
09:51:01 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141824&oldid=141821 * Ractangle * (-1) /* Hello, world! */
09:51:10 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141825&oldid=141824 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Truth-machine */
09:52:20 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141826&oldid=141822 * PrySigneToFry * (+23)
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09:56:05 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141827&oldid=141826 * Ractangle * (-3) /* BASIC */
09:56:17 <esolangs> [[Befunge/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141828&oldid=140961 * PrySigneToFry * (-4) Optimized 48~50
10:01:35 <esolangs> [[Lezy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141829&oldid=114196 * PrySigneToFry * (+31)
10:02:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141830&oldid=138245 * PrySigneToFry * (+95) /* Suggested Program: A+B Problem */ new section
10:07:24 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141831&oldid=141804 * PrySigneToFry * (+740) /* ? */ new section
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10:41:08 <esolangs> [[Talk:*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141832&oldid=141819 * Ractangle * (+178)
10:41:46 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141833&oldid=141825 * Ractangle * (+29)
10:43:37 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141834&oldid=141831 * Ractangle * (+207) /* */
10:49:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141835&oldid=133394 * Ractangle * (+212) /* What did User:Unname4798 do to you? */ new section
10:53:17 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141836&oldid=141409 * Ractangle * (-17)
10:54:14 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141837&oldid=141836 * Ractangle * (+11)
10:55:42 <HackEso> The password of the month is a matter of ongoing investigations
10:58:33 <int-e> `learn The password of the month is twenty-six characters long
10:58:37 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is twenty-six characters long
10:59:50 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141838&oldid=141817 * Ractangle * (+148)
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11:42:54 <wib_jonas> fizzie: besides fungot being down, the web interfaces to HackEso seem to be down as well, as in https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/ https://hack.esolangs.org/edit/
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11:47:50 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141839&oldid=141838 * Ractangle * (+27) /* Name */
11:49:42 <wib_jonas> int-e: apparently we're all unsure on whether /hackenv/wisdom/password should have a trailing period punctuation. I left it off by accident in 2024-08, I am guessing you copied that in 2024-09, but deliberately omitted it today.
11:49:58 <wib_jonas> I'm not sure what the correct convention would be.
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11:54:20 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141841&oldid=140982 * Ractangle * (-23) /* Truth machine... I guess? */
11:55:08 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141842&oldid=141841 * Ractangle * (+12)
11:56:51 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141843&oldid=141842 * Ractangle * (+46) /* Implementation */
12:00:30 <int-e> wib_jonas: I usually add it but I felt that when counting characters omitting it would quiet some contrarian voices :P
12:02:29 <int-e> The 2024-09 omission was on accident.
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12:32:29 <fizzie> Oh yes, I noticed hack.esolangs.org being borked, but forgot to look into it. Something odd about the permissions of the fastcgi socket thing.
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12:44:15 <int-e> wib_jonas: "The password of the month ends in a period" :-P
12:46:12 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141847&oldid=141846 * Ractangle * (+4)
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13:25:18 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141850&oldid=141740 * MihaiEso * (+74)
13:25:57 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141851&oldid=141742 * MihaiEso * (+57) /* Horribly translated variants */
13:28:45 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141852&oldid=141834 * PrySigneToFry * (+658)
13:31:39 <wib_jonas> apparently the letter æ looks practically the same as œ in both Times New Roman and Adobe Times
13:32:12 <wib_jonas> sorry, I mean in their *italic* versions only
13:46:07 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141853 * PrySigneToFry * (+2448) Created page with "[[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again7|]] 1. Dig that stupid chunk of completely shredded, miscoded files out of the trash <pre> kijetesantakalu pimeja kijetesantakalu tenpo van la..."
13:46:59 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again7]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141854&oldid=141849 * PrySigneToFry * (+133)
13:47:26 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141855&oldid=141851 * PrySigneToFry * (+68)
13:57:39 <esolangs> [[Talk:Translated JNTM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141856&oldid=137960 * PrySigneToFry * (+792) /* WHY? */ new section
14:13:56 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141857&oldid=141853 * MihaiEso * (+175)
14:21:05 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141858&oldid=141190 * PrySigneToFry * (+1009) /* -- - -- - -- --- - */ new section
14:21:32 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141859&oldid=141858 * PrySigneToFry * (-2)
14:21:37 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again8]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141860 * MihaiEso * (+1676) Created page with "[[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again]], made it worse! 1. Put this garbage, mojibaked, miscoded file in the machine <pre> ..."
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14:26:19 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141862&oldid=141680 * PrySigneToFry * (+741) /* I think my rate in yours is -1 now. */ new section
14:29:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nine-hundred-eleven]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141863 * PrySigneToFry * (+196) Created page with "9119181213 <big><big></big></big>"
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15:00:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:Rubik's Cube]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141864 * Yayimhere * (+104) Created page with "cta program plz? ~~~~"
15:01:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Rubik's Cube]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141865&oldid=141864 * Yayimhere * (-104) Blanked the page
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15:34:15 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Cocosbeans * uploaded "[[File:Rainbo-Logo.png]]"
15:36:09 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141868&oldid=141107 * PrySigneToFry * (+242)
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18:39:13 <esolangs> [[Bundle Bungle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141873&oldid=140587 * RhubarbJayde * (-3)
18:52:10 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141874&oldid=141840 * Ractangle * (+76) /* Syntax */
18:55:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Minsky machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141875&oldid=118248 * Ractangle * (+199)
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19:06:16 <esolangs> [[Rainbo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141877&oldid=141872 * Cocosbeans * (+10)
19:38:15 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[!HOR]] to [[IRLGL]]
19:40:15 <esolangs> [[Factorial]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141880&oldid=141871 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) Fix typo
19:42:49 <esolangs> [[IRLGL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141881&oldid=141878 * Ractangle * (-67)
19:42:59 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[IRLGL]] to [[IRLGLCom]]
19:43:38 <esolangs> [[IRLGLCom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141884&oldid=141882 * Ractangle * (+15)
19:43:54 <esolangs> [[IRLGLCom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141885&oldid=141884 * Ractangle * (+0)
19:44:45 <esolangs> [[IRLGLCom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141886&oldid=141885 * Ractangle * (-3)
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19:52:31 <esolangs> [[IRLGLCom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141888&oldid=141887 * Ractangle * (+125)
19:53:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:(WHATEVER WE NAME IT)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141889 * Aadenboy * (+322) Created page with "fun to see my year old idea get made ~~~~"
19:54:28 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Cocosbeans * uploaded "[[File:Rainbo-code.png]]"
19:57:10 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Cocosbeans * uploaded "[[File:Rainbo-code2.png]]"
19:57:55 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[IRLGLCom]] to [[()(]]
19:58:27 <esolangs> [[Rainbo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141894&oldid=141877 * Cocosbeans * (+112)
19:59:21 <esolangs> [[()(]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141895&oldid=141892 * Ractangle * (-503)
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20:00:08 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Cocosbeans * uploaded "[[File:Rainbo-4.png]]"
20:00:50 <esolangs> [[Rainbo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141899&oldid=141894 * Cocosbeans * (-3)
20:01:47 <esolangs> [[Curly Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141900&oldid=141896 * Ractangle * (+71)
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20:10:25 <esolangs> [[Esolang Quality Rating System]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141902&oldid=106282 * Ractangle * (-1) negative zero isn't a number
20:12:00 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141903&oldid=141833 * Ractangle * (-79) /* Truth-machine */
20:13:27 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141904&oldid=141903 * Ractangle * (+33) /* Syntax */
20:14:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141905&oldid=141852 * Ais523 * (+445) /* */ my level of Simplified Chinese understanding
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20:27:57 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141907&oldid=141905 * Ractangle * (+191) /* */
20:32:06 <esolangs> [[Curly Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141908&oldid=141901 * Ractangle * (+79)
20:34:05 <esolangs> [[Curly Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141909&oldid=141908 * Ractangle * (+69)
21:05:49 <esolangs> [[2KWLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141910&oldid=141330 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+79) /* Reading files */ Priority
21:06:25 <esolangs> [[2KWLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141911&oldid=141910 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) /* Reading files */ Precedence
21:06:58 <esolangs> [[Curly Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141912&oldid=141909 * Ractangle * (+225) /* Syntax */
21:07:24 <esolangs> [[Curly Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141913&oldid=141912 * Ractangle * (+12) /* Syntax */
21:09:25 <esolangs> [[Curly Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141914&oldid=141913 * Ractangle * (-192) /* Syntax */
21:10:23 <esolangs> [[Curly Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141915&oldid=141914 * Ractangle * (+36) /* Syntax */
21:19:25 <esolangs> [[Brainstoremax]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141916&oldid=132571 * Ractangle * (-31) /* Ascii loop */
21:19:49 <esolangs> [[Brainstoremax]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141917&oldid=141916 * Ractangle * (+7) /* Hello world */
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21:58:07 <zzo38> I think that, instead of ASN.1, could be made a variant, such as "ASN.2". Instead of four classes, to have only two classes (universal and context-specific), therefore allowing one more bit for the type number.
21:58:15 <zzo38> Also can remove most of the types, and add some new types, but some existing types can be used as is such as: boolean, integer, object identifier, null, bit string, octet string, sequence, set, IA5 string.
22:01:41 <zzo38> (Some of the other existing types are no good, such as not being Y2K compliant, and other problems.)
22:03:34 <zzo38> What is your opinion of that?
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22:30:37 <ais523> despite being standardised, ASN.1 is rarely used nowadays, people seem to prefer text-based formats; I think the only common use of ASN.1 is in SSL/TLS certificates and the related infrastructure
22:30:52 <ais523> so if an ASN.2 were created, it would be unlikely that anyone would use it
22:31:20 <ais523> there are some libraries that have their own custom binary formats, but they don't seem to care about standardisation or making things ASN.1-compatible
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23:16:26 <zzo38> I don't really like the text-based formats either, and would think that binary formats would be better (especially, if you want to store a mixture of data, or to avoid dealing with escaping, limited character sets, etc)
23:19:01 <zzo38> So, I might use it, and maybe some other people also might do.
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23:37:54 <zzo38> (One thing that I would add is a proper key/value list type; it can be encoded as a set of keys but you must put the value after each key.)
23:39:33 <esolangs> [[Rainbo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141919&oldid=141899 * Cocosbeans * (+309)
23:51:14 <ais523> does anyone here know the Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG/OCG? I have been making a serious attempt at a TCness proof, but don't know the rules well enough (and there doesn't seem to be a comprehensive source for all the rules in English, like there is for Magic or Netrunner)
23:52:44 <ais523> trying to find a way to store the program is difficult, but I think it's doable using the order of the Main Deck – the idea is for it to be full of Normal Spells (Quick-Play might also work, not sure) and for the basic logic of the game to involve drawing the spells for turn, activating them, and then putting them onto the bottom of the deck
23:53:49 <ais523> the problem is to force the player to put each cards on the bottom of the deck before the next one is played – the main card that would do that is Recycle but it has pretty much the worst possible timing (Standby phase, which is after your draw for turn and immediately before your Main Phase in which you can play spells)
23:54:21 <b_jonas> huh, there's no comprehensive rules? odd
23:54:23 <ais523> so, you need to design a gamestate in which the player is forced to activate Recycle, because not doing that causes them to immediately lose
23:54:36 <ais523> b_jonas: there may be a Japanese version of them, and I think I found an unofficial English translation once
23:55:06 <b_jonas> and no, I don't know the rules, I haven't played YGO
23:55:50 <ais523> anyway, the basic problem with that is that in order to force the activation of Recycle, the main thing I can look at is checking "are there any cards in the opponent's GY? if so, they lose" but that needs to be checked specifically during the Standby Phase, at a point *after* the point at which Recycle can be activated
23:56:37 <esolangs> [[Rainbo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141920&oldid=141919 * Cocosbeans * (+1985) reference#std changes from present tense to imperative at std/conc, please change
23:57:11 <ais523> I found only one card that does that: Tantrum Toddler, which attaches cards from the opponents' GY to itself when a card or effect activation is negated - the idea is to create an effect that the player is forced to activate during their own Standby Phase, but will always have its activation negated, but the key is that they can choose to activate it only after using their Recycle
23:58:00 <ais523> (fortunately, Tantrum Toddler has an effect that can only be activated when it has 8 cards attached, and that can be rigged to immediately win the game, so the idea is that you start it with 7 cards, then the player who plays the Spells will have to clear their graveyard before allowing it to activate)
23:59:03 <ais523> it's easy enough to force the Spell-playing player to activate an effect that can be negated every standby phase, e.g. Abyss Actor - Comic Relief has to be activated every Standby Phase
23:59:19 <b_jonas> worth a ping to zzo38 at least
23:59:21 <ais523> but, I have had trouble finding a controllable way to force the activation to be negated
00:00:04 <ais523> there is Light and Darkness Dragon which negates monster effect activations automatically, which is great – unfortunately, it also negates spell card activations which would prevent the spells actually being played
00:00:38 <ais523> so I'd either need to stop it negating them somehow, or to reduce its ATK to the point where it can't negate any more (but then it needs to be increased back up for the next turn)
00:01:17 <ais523> I've mostly been working on the second approach, and have reached the edge of my YGO rules knowledge; I know the rules for the interaction of ATK-changing effects are screwy when some of them are permanent, but can't remember what they actually are
00:01:51 <b_jonas> while we're there what did you say about Pokemon TCG the last time? is it definitely not Turing-complete, or is it just designed to make the sort of loops that help TCness much less likely than M:tG?
00:02:28 <ais523> b_jonas: I think we established that at least one voluntary infinite loop (i.e. driven by one of the players taking actions intentionally to sustain the loop) exists, which wasn't obvious
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00:05:09 <b_jonas> I see. sounds like some rulesets for chess, where there's a limit on the number of turns without captures or pawn moves, but if you exceed that limit the game is a draw only if a player requests that draw.
00:06:10 <ais523> the official rules have two limits, nowadays
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00:06:15 <b_jonas> although that needs both players' cooperations for a loop, and even then almost never works because most chess games have real time limits
00:06:30 <ais523> after 50 turns without captures or pawn moves, either player can request a draw, after 75 it is a draw automatically
00:06:45 <ais523> I am not entirely sure why both halves of this are needed, presumably there's a good reason
00:07:11 <b_jonas> I think some correspondence games only have a per-move time limit, not a full game limit
00:08:24 <b_jonas> ais523: maybe the mandatory part is so that tournament games can't go on forever and delay the tournament? though the real time limits should ensure that.
00:09:09 <b_jonas> I don't think it's to ensure that players don't run out of paper for logging the game
00:09:23 <ais523> the time limit is not a problem in many tournaments, it's quite common to have an increment per move
00:09:48 <b_jonas> maybe it's to make the job of umpires easier if a player requests a draw by repetition
00:11:21 <b_jonas> I presume the 75 move limit rarely makes a difference in real world games if the 50 move limit (by request of either player) is there
00:11:21 <ais523> anyway, I just realised that it would be possible to negate the Light and Darkness Dragon to prevent it negating the spell, so all I need to do is find some repeatable way to negate it during a Main Phase but not the Standby Phase, that shouldn't be *too* hard as negating is a very common effect in YGO
00:11:52 <ais523> but that means I have a few thousand cards to read through until I find the one that works :_D
00:12:35 <ais523> it is amazing how tight this path is, so far I have found three points in the proof where only one card (out of the >10000 that exist) works
00:14:18 <ais523> oh what the hell, Beargram works, I didn't even know it had that effect
00:14:37 <ais523> I find the card I need and it is famous for being a meme card :-D
00:15:25 <b_jonas> so this would be a program with a single big loop
00:16:16 <ais523> so, the construction is that Recycle can be activated and Abyss Actor - Comic Relief must be activated during the Standby Phase, but (if I understand the rules properly) the player can choose the order
00:16:46 <b_jonas> I see "I find the card I need and it is famous" and "Beargram" and I think of M:tG Berserk, is that normal?
00:16:55 <ais523> they have to Recycle the card out of the graveyard so that when Comic Relief activates, and gets the activation negated by Light and Darkness Dragon, Tantrum Toddler has nothing to attach (otherwise Tantrum Toddler gets its eighth material and activates a game-winning effect – although we'd need to prevent *it* being negated by Light and Darkness Dragon somehow)
00:17:04 <ais523> b_jonas: similar names, very different effects though
00:18:22 <ais523> oh no, this is easy, you have Tantrum Toddler get its activation negated by Light and Darkness Dragon, *but* you still pay the cost (to send 4 attached cards to the graveyard), and you just have the cost to detach the cards automatically win the game, so it doesn't matter that the activation doesn't go through
00:19:27 <ais523> then during the turn, you play the Spell Card you drew for turn, and Light and Darkness Dragon can't activate because Beargram prevents effects being activated in response to Spell Card activations
00:20:54 <ais523> one other thing the player could do is not play the card – but the idea is to have six cards in hand that can't be played, so if you don't play it you have to discard something to hand size, and that triggers two copies of Forced Requisition to make the opponent discard two cards, and those can be cards that trigger in the GY to immediately win the game
00:21:48 <ais523> and the other other thing you could do would be to set it face down as though it were a trap (Normal Spells don't do anything when set like traps, but it's a legal action so that you can bluff), but we can have a Denko Sekka on the field that specifically prevents setting spells and traps
00:22:23 <ais523> I think that's a full lockdown of the spell-using player's actions, other than attacking which there are numerous ways to prevent
00:23:47 <ais523> the opponent doesn't really have to do anything, they just exist to control certain cards, so all that's necessary is a way to prevent them losing to deckout, and there are a ton of those
00:24:27 <ais523> anyway, assuming that lockdown loop works, we then need to find a viable programming language made out of Normal Spells
00:24:55 <ais523> and the problem there is that YGO naturally has two counters and no control flow (all the commands run in sequence), which is not enough unless the commands are quite complex
00:25:52 <ais523> (the two players' life totals are the two most easily controllable counters)
00:27:17 <ais523> I guess the Light and Darkness Dragon is continuously shrinking every turn, that might be usable for computation somehow, although there's also a need to top the attack level back up so that it can keep negating
00:28:34 <ais523> ooh! Light and Darkness Dragon is symmetrical, so I can have the spell-using player control it, that makes its ATK much easier to manipulate, although I'd still need to find something that boosts ATK permanently and not just until end of turn
00:28:48 <ais523> or alternatively, resets the ATK drop
00:31:28 <ais523> just to complete the lockdown loop for any YGO player who finds this in the logs: the combo to autowin with cards in graveyard is Transaction Rollback + Compulsory Evacuation Device targeting a monster that was summoned with Relay Soul; this wins regardless of cards in hand, cards in deck, or life totals
00:33:11 <ais523> also, Sales Ban is very useful for preventing activation of any effects that would screw things up, it has a lingering effect that applies to one specific card name and lasts the whole Duel
00:33:48 <ais523> ah wait, no, LaDD has to be controlled by the opponent because otherwise Beargram wouldn't work
00:34:38 <ais523> maybe there's an alternative card that works
00:35:02 <b_jonas> so now you have to find useful conditionals?
00:38:24 <ais523> either that, or a third counter
00:38:35 <ais523> even that needs useful conditionals, but they don't need to be quite so useful
00:40:48 <b_jonas> are there cards that let you read life totals in a way that isn't monotonic such that the player loses more if they have lower life total? like Death's Shadow in M:tG
00:40:58 <ais523> I managed to figure out a way to read monster ATK (you use Mystik Wok to tribute a monster and gain life equal to its ATK, and it gets banished by Dimensional Fissure, then you get it back with Dimension Distortion), although Mystik Wok is a quick-play and I'm not sure whether that messes things up
00:41:15 <ais523> there are a few lifepoint-halving effects
00:41:30 <ais523> and some which hurt you if you have higher lifepoints than the opponent, but heal you if you have lower
00:41:50 <ais523> also one that averages lifepoints with the opponent
00:42:04 <ais523> (unfortunately, there is rounding, which means you can't store information in the fractional part)
00:42:39 <ais523> Supremacy Berry says "If your Life Points were lower than your opponent's when this card was activated, gain 2000 Life Points. If your Life Points were higher than your opponent's, you take 1000 damage.", that's the sort of effect that seems useful for computation
00:44:31 <b_jonas> that sounds like you need a third counter though
00:45:05 <b_jonas> (life total reading effects aren't that common in M:tG either of course)
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00:47:47 <ais523> yes, a third counter really seems important for this sort of construction
00:48:41 <ais523> although, in the Netrunner counter I used three but it might have been doable with two, but that's primarily because I had workable control flow with the rezzed/derezzed status of cards in Archives, making it possible to have four different multiply/divide loops (×2, ×3, ÷2, ÷3)
00:49:41 <ais523> so the counters were normally used as one counter to store data, and one counter to store the instruction pointer – but when doing the multiplication/division, in my construction it multiplies/divides onto the third counter *but* it could have instead used the instruction pointer counter as a temporary
00:49:58 <b_jonas> M:tG has a lot of effects that let you use a creature's toughness or power or toughness minus marked damage as a counter, and I kind of expect that YGO would have something similar even if it's not as frequent as in M:tG
00:50:31 <ais523> the problem is, if you're using the instruction pointer as a temporary, you need something else to remember which multiplication/division you're doing
00:50:37 <b_jonas> I said third counter specifically because of the effect that's just based on the difference between your life total and the opponent's
00:51:26 <ais523> it is hard to read power in Magic, and hard to read toughness without marking damage, but toughness minus damage marked has a very clear effect
00:51:43 <ais523> this doesn't work so well in YGO, if you reduce a monster's DEF to 0 it doesn't get destroyed or anything, it just stays there
00:52:25 <ais523> there is one infamous card (infamous because it creates some really incomprehensible judge rulings), called Pole Position, that says that the monster with the highest ATK is unaffected by other cards
00:52:55 <ais523> normally "unaffected" is restricted to activated effects in order to make it easy to understand, but Pole Position doesn't have that, it makes it unaffected by continuous/static effects too
00:53:43 <ais523> so say if a monster has 1900 ATK, and another monster has 2000 ATK, and I equip the 1900 ATK monster with an equip spell that increases ATK by 500
00:54:02 <ais523> this creates a paradox, and the rules for this changed quite recently
00:54:22 <ais523> unfortunately, they are subjective, and specify that the card most responsible for the issue is destroyed
00:54:55 <ais523> I think there is an unofficial rule to hold Pole Position responsible whenever it is involved, but in general it is hard to know which card would be affected
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00:56:06 <ais523> (the MTGO equivalent for YGO seems to work by following the dependency cycle for 16 steps and then destroying whatever card is next in the list, which at least makes it possible to continue the game but often makes a fairly arbitrary-seeming choice; it also doesn't implement Pole Position)
00:57:41 <ais523> anyway, I have resigned myself to the fact that Pole Position is very likely to be involved in the TCness construction, but I don't really want to use it, both because it would prevent testing the construction online, and because it is so hard to understand all the consequences of that card being in play
00:59:29 <b_jonas> some amount of rules complications is to be expected for such a construction, but ideally it shouldn't descend to the "infamous" level
00:59:35 <ais523> it's probably OK if monsters have their ATK changed only via activated effects
01:07:06 <ais523> oh no, I just realised that the card that gains life equal to a monster's ATK can choose its DEF instead, so the two would need to always be equal or the card is unusable
01:09:58 <ais523> there seems to be exactly one permanent ATK-doubler (Cubic Wave), which unfortunately is quite specific but might still be usable
01:15:27 <ais523> hmm, permanently increasing the LaDD's ATK to counteract the permanent decreases seems hard; Kashtira Overlap might be usable?
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01:30:08 <ais523> oh wow, Gingerbread House is perfect for keeping the LaDD active
01:33:44 <ais523> oh, no it isn't, it's optional
01:33:49 <ais523> I hate how many effects in YGO are optional
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15:35:58 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142016&oldid=142015 * PrySigneToFry * (-29) Another test
15:37:19 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142017&oldid=142016 * PrySigneToFry * (-24) HTML supports s tag and u tag, but didn't support underline tag, but support strike tag
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19:45:28 <esolangs> [[TW'sLE!!!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142044&oldid=141967 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+58) Categories
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19:51:31 <esolangs> [[Egnufeb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142047&oldid=142046 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* Examples */ Formatting
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21:06:06 <zzo38> I had tried to compile a C program that I had written, that uses OpenSSL, on another computer, and says that OPENSSL_config is not available (resulting in a compiler warning about implicit declaration), and a linker error due to ERR_print_errors_fp not being available (although that did not result in a compiler warning). Do you know what is wrong with it?
21:06:47 <zzo38> (The program compiled when the calls to those functions were commented out, although the result is then that error messages are not handled)
21:21:21 <b_jonas> zzo38: is this about OpenSSL having two incompatible major versions and you're trying to link to the other one?
21:22:18 <b_jonas> it's infamous because they're incompatible in such a stupid way that it can lead to correct programs in the earlier major version to become insecure when you try to adapt them to the newer major version, or so I've heard
21:24:55 <zzo38> I didn't know that, and I also don't know how to fix it. Can #if and/or #ifdef commands be used (and if so, how is it needed to be done)?
21:32:27 <esolangs> [[Lol waht i cant edit talk pages]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142056 * Tommyaweosme * (+734) Created page with "{{lowercase}}lol waht i cant edit talk pages is an esolang made by [[user:tommyaweosme]] because of the admins of this very wiki. == commands == user:? - defines new variable called ? edit user talk:? to remove n messages - subtracts n from
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21:42:27 <b_jonas> zzo38: I don't know about the specifics of OpenSSL, I only heard these as rumors.
21:45:11 <int-e> One of those functions is deprecated. The other is behind a conditional flag that /might/ be disabled, https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/master/crypto/err/err_prn.c#L176-L186
21:45:27 <int-e> Or it may be something entirely different, of course.
21:45:44 <int-e> It's a software problem after all.
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22:05:34 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Abuse filter 15 makes no sense]]": offtopic
22:13:36 <int-e> ais523: I admire your willingness to come up with narrow blocks like that
22:14:02 <zzo38> I had partially written a ASN.1 BER parser; so far it handles constructed types and can convert object identifiers into decimal format.
22:15:27 <ais523> int-e: thanks – in a way I can get away with it because the wiki is still fairly small, so blocks that need a lot of manual monitoring are still possible
22:15:41 <ais523> although, the wiki is now long past the point where it's reasonable to read every edit
22:15:54 <int-e> ais523: should the accompanying talk page Talk:Abuse_filter_15_makes_no_sense be deleted too?
22:16:04 <ais523> it is a deletion discussion
22:16:30 <ais523> in the very early days of Wikipedia, back when it was small, this is apparently how deletions were handled, and it's how Esolang has been doing it for years
22:16:48 <ais523> there is still an exception in Wikipedia's rules to not delete talk pages if they contain discussion of why the corresponding non-talk page was deleted
22:16:58 <ais523> even though it hasn't been relevant for decades now
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22:19:57 <b_jonas> "long past the point where it's reasonable to read every edit" => I was considering to suggest to take a shortcut and time out everyone who edited https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bbtos for a few months, but you probably wouldn't do that
22:20:23 <ais523> I think peopel are editing
22:20:37 <ais523> * people are editing that for the same reason they add Deadfish implementations
22:21:19 <ais523> the only pages I've ever had to split up due to getting large enough to stress technical limitations are a) the hello world page (makes sense), b) the deadfish implementations, and c) my talk page
22:21:52 <ais523> and the last of those really shouldn't have happened, although in retrospect it may have been inevitable (something similar happened to Jimbo Wales' talk page on Wikipedia)
22:23:04 <b_jonas> your user talk page is big because there isn't an obvious "Administrator's noticeboard" page so we're using it in its stead
22:23:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:90]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142057&oldid=142024 * Ais523 * (+326) it's wrong
22:24:12 <ais523> b_jonas: right – and that's probably because we've never needed an admin noticeboard
22:24:42 <ais523> (and with only one frequently active admin, I guess it makes sense to use the page that pings them?)
22:31:27 <b_jonas> you'd think part of the reason why your user talk page is so big is that you create interesting esolangs and the main reference to them is on the wiki and users message you because of that, but it turns out that's very little of the user talk page
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22:38:57 <zzo38> In ASN.1 the low bit of a byte is called "bit1", but if ASN.2 is made up then "bit0" would be better for the low bit, I think.
22:49:53 <esolangs> [[Translated Poetic Mihai]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142058 * MihaiEso * (+3174) Created page with "'''Translated Poetic Mihai''' is a esolang made by Mihai Popa. It's [[Poetic (Mihai Popa)|Poetic]] but horribly translated with crappy languages. 1. Take this example <pre> Add experience and goodness. You love this content The color is very good, For
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23:23:59 <ais523> what's the correct way to delete one letter in vi? I tried dl but it didn't work
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23:24:36 <zzo38> You can push x or delete to delete a single character
23:25:11 <ais523> dl *does* work in vim, which I'm more used to
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01:51:36 <b_jonas> ais523: x to delete after the cursor or X to delete before the cursor. I thought dl and dh respectively would be equivalent, but perhaps I don't understand how the original vi works.
01:52:30 <b_jonas> also these usually can't delete newline characters, and there's the special commands J and gJ for that
01:57:43 <b_jonas> unrelated. the webcomic page https://www.sandraandwoo.com/scarlet/comic/a-sky-full-of-stars-027/ has the first appearance of a black-haired boy. as soon as this page was published, that boy was added to the public characters list https://www.sandraandwoo.com/scarlet/characters/ and is listed as the boyfriend of the 9 year old main character. I don't think I've ever seen any webcomic give an early
01:57:49 <b_jonas> spoiler about a character who just showed up this way.
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03:38:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:^]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142073&oldid=142072 * None1 * (+255) /* Written in */
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04:21:49 <esolangs> [[Kmid]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142076 * Arctenik * (+8042) Create article
04:23:11 <esolangs> [[Kwert]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142077&oldid=141362 * Arctenik * (+15719) Add Turing-completeness construction
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06:14:22 <zzo38> I think that the flexible arrays in C99 is not as good as the zero-length arrays in GNU, because zero-length arrays are more logical and have more uses; they are not only used for adding extra data on the end of a structure (although that is the most common use), but can also be used for other things, e.g. if a name needs to be defined even though it is not used, or associating numbers/types (using sizeof and typeof)
06:15:15 <esolangs> [[Ting Vit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142088&oldid=124926 * PrySigneToFry * (+56)
06:17:33 <zzo38> The documentation of GCC says "As a quirk of the original implementation of zero-length arrays, sizeof evaluates to zero" but that shouldn't just be a quirk of the implementation; it is logically what it should do, since if the number of elements is zero then the size of the entire array should be zero (although the size of the element of the array might be nonzero).
06:18:11 <esolangs> [[Befunge/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142089&oldid=141966 * PrySigneToFry * (+165)
06:25:51 <zzo38> Flexible arrays can be useful for static initialization, and perhaps if you want the compiler to complain if additional members are added (although GCC also allows it in the middle, which doesn't make much sense), but other than that I think zero-length arrays are better in many ways
06:35:07 <b_jonas> zzo38: C also doesn't have empty structs, and C++ "empty" structs have a positive sizeof (usually 1). this is unfortunate, and C++ added special rules for inheritence and later an attribute so that those empty structures can in some context behave like they're zero-sized. given that situation, it's reasonable that C doesn't allow zero-length arrays either. and even if you somehow added zero-sized arrays
06:35:13 <b_jonas> or empty structs to standard C, you'd probably need some kind of special attribute to mark an array as potentially zero-sized because of backwards compatibility. that said, C does support structs ending in a trailing length 1 array where you allocate the struct as variable-sized, and in practice you can treat these as a trailing flexible array that can even be zero-sized in most respects.
06:36:41 <b_jonas> the lack of zero-sized data is problematic, and in particular you have to be a bit careful with it if you try to export a C interface from rust, because rust does fully support zero-sized structs and arrays and will put them in the exported interface too.
06:39:51 <b_jonas> this especially comes up if you want to pass a potentially zero-sized struct as a function argument: both libev and perl's XS interface uses macro magic for it where if the structure would be zero-sized then no argument is passed instead, the macro expands to either nothing or the (nonzero sized argument) followed by a comma
06:42:52 <zzo38> Will the exported interfaces from Rust be usable with GCC with zero-length arrays?
06:44:06 <zzo38> I just use the GNU extensions in GCC, and many of them will work with Clang as well so if someone else wants to use Clang they can probably still compile these programs
06:44:26 <b_jonas> zzo38: I don't think so, because the problem is mostly zero-length structs rather than zero-length arrays, especially if passed by value or embedded in another struct, and you can't pass an array by value to a function in C. or... does the gcc extension let you make a true sizeof 0 struct too?
06:45:30 <b_jonas> arrays with constant zero size don't come up too often, and variable-sized arrays are addressed through pointers rather than passed by value and that does not cause problems
06:49:09 <zzo38> GCC allows you to make a empty structure, but only in C (not in C++, which adds a member even if you do not specify any, according to the documentation)
06:51:30 <b_jonas> zzo38: empty structure sure, but does it have sizeof 0 and consume no space when it's in a larger struct at a non-trailing position?
06:52:34 <zzo38> Yes, its size is zero (in C only, not in C++) and consumes no space
06:54:09 <zzo38> (although I don't know if alignment is affected at all?)
06:54:14 <b_jonas> nice. in that case that might work to use a rust interface, though I'm not sure if the two agree on how to pass such a struct as function argument by value
06:54:56 <zzo38> Some of my programs do pass struct by value, although they are usually small structures not bigger than 64 bits
06:58:53 <b_jonas> (if you rely on such a gcc empty struct, especially in a header, you should probably make sure that it #errors out with an explanation if someone tries to compile it in C++)
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12:29:57 <wWwwW> is it possible to create a TC esolang with I/O thats also I/O complete but still has no quine
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14:10:28 <ais523> <wWwwW> is it possible to create a TC esolang with I/O thats also I/O complete but still has no quine ← my initial thought was "I don't think so, but I'm not sure", but it is possible at least for batch I/O – you make the print routines refuse to output text that starts with the first character of the program unless there's been either input or output already
14:11:06 <ais523> in other words, you basically partially hardcode the "output for no input" in the program source, but the output when there's some input can be calculated arbitrarily
14:11:39 <ais523> extending this to interactive I/O runs into philosophical questions about what sort of input a quine is allowed to take
14:14:03 <ais523> ah no, this is simple: you disallow printing output that starts with the first character of the program until after input has actively been read, and found to be nonempty
14:15:31 <ais523> still I/O-complete because the output printed before the first nonempty input is a constant, and executable on a Turing machine
14:16:05 <ais523> however, in some cases *writing* the program may be uncomputable, as you may need to solve the halting problem to work out what the first byte of output is
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15:39:25 <wWwwW> but wut if instead of input w condiser: is program in memory
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01:54:47 <esolangs> [[Square-complete]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142191 * PrySigneToFry * (+710) Created page with "Square-complete is a concept designed by PSTF. == What Esolang can call as "Square-complete"? == # This Esolang must can output "Hello, world!". # This Esolang must can input at least 1 character. # This Esolang must can count from 0 to 10 by looping. # Th
01:55:18 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142192&oldid=142050 * PrySigneToFry * (+22)
02:28:02 <esolangs> [[MATH]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142193 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+843) Created page with "'''MATH''' is a language by ~~~~ where you make your own operations. == Operations == Operations are defined like this: ''operation_name'' ::= ''code'' # With on the left and on the right e.g. ::= 1 == Inclu
02:30:06 <esolangs> [[User:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142194&oldid=141255 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+10)
02:50:42 <esolangs> [[MATH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142195&oldid=142193 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+68) Categories
03:07:05 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My Rate to the user that I know]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142196&oldid=142086 * PrySigneToFry * (+142)
03:09:09 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My Rate to the user that I know]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142197&oldid=142196 * PrySigneToFry * (-77)
03:11:28 <esolangs> [[PIO]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142198&oldid=141622 * PrySigneToFry * (+60)
03:19:31 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142199&oldid=142093 * PrySigneToFry * (-4)
03:21:07 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142200&oldid=142199 * PrySigneToFry * (+731) /* If you want, join here! */ new section
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03:44:11 <esolangs> [[HQ9+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142201&oldid=132890 * PrySigneToFry * (+1691)
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03:47:39 <esolangs> [[HQ9+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142202&oldid=142201 * PrySigneToFry * (+564)
03:48:51 <esolangs> [[HQ9+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142203&oldid=142202 * PrySigneToFry * (+61)
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05:58:37 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142204&oldid=142082 * DifferentDance8 * (+230) /* I'm now on Funcode (although I can't edit for some reason :/) */ new section
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06:51:42 <esolangs> [[Brainflick]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142206 * DifferentDance8 * (+916) i just rushed this language out the door lol
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07:09:07 <esolangs> [[Square-complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142207&oldid=142191 * Ractangle * (-15)
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07:58:12 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142208 * Froginstarch * (+354) Created page with "Oops! All functions is a dumb esoleng/challenge that [[User: Froginstarch]] thought about when he was incredibly bored The premise of this eso land is that you can only use functions (user defined) for every thing, not tradional control flow is allowed
07:59:31 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142209&oldid=142208 * Froginstarch * (+55)
08:03:13 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142210&oldid=142209 * Froginstarch * (+0) /* Syntax */
08:05:24 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142211&oldid=142210 * Froginstarch * (+76)
08:07:31 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142212&oldid=142211 * Froginstarch * (+8)
08:09:50 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142213&oldid=142212 * Froginstarch * (+10) /* Syntax */
08:10:19 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142214&oldid=142213 * Froginstarch * (+0)
08:12:42 <esolangs> [[Square-complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142215&oldid=142207 * None1 * (+66) /* What Esolang can be called as "Square-complete"? */ grammar
08:12:58 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142216&oldid=142214 * Froginstarch * (-4) /* Syntax */
08:13:23 <esolangs> [[Square-complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142217&oldid=142215 * None1 * (+15) /* Isn't "Square-complete" is Turing-complete? */
08:13:30 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142218&oldid=142216 * Froginstarch * (+9) /* Syntax */
08:13:40 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142219&oldid=142218 * Froginstarch * (+0) /* Syntax */
08:14:10 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142220&oldid=142219 * Froginstarch * (+18) /* Syntax */
08:14:23 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142221&oldid=142220 * Froginstarch * (+0)
08:17:20 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142222&oldid=142221 * Froginstarch * (-18)
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08:35:01 <shachaf> int-e: Another game from the k-step steve person: https://epicpikaguy.itch.io/bee-magic
08:35:39 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142223&oldid=141620 * Iddi01 * (+305) Added a few; EVERYBODY IF YOU SEE THIS PLEASE ADD MORE LANGUAGES TO THE LIST AND SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THIS! Anyway, currently the only languages here are ///, ><>, Aheui, ALPACA, Befunge, BLC, BCT, Black, bf, Chicken, Emmental, FALSE, Flipjump, Funge-98, CGoL,
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09:35:33 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142224&oldid=141904 * Ractangle * (+28) /* Examples */
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09:38:06 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142225&oldid=142224 * Ractangle * (+29) /* Infinite loop */
10:18:16 <esolangs> [[Emojifunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142226&oldid=140886 * Ractangle * (-17)
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10:24:58 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142227&oldid=142225 * Ractangle * (+158)
10:25:14 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142228&oldid=142227 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Computational class */
10:26:00 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142229&oldid=142228 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Computational class */
10:31:24 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142230&oldid=142229 * Ractangle * (+139) /* Computational class */
10:31:45 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142231&oldid=142230 * Ractangle * (+11) /* Computational class */
10:39:37 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142232&oldid=142231 * Ractangle * (-330) /* Computational class */
10:40:26 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[SPIKE]] to [[Pointer-based Minsky machine]]
10:48:13 <esolangs> [[Pointer-based Minsky machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142235&oldid=142233 * Ractangle * (-1890)
10:52:14 <esolangs> [[Pointer-based Minsky machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142236&oldid=142235 * Ractangle * (+243) /* The notation */
10:53:45 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142237&oldid=142059 * DifferentDance8 * (+153)
10:53:49 <esolangs> [[Pointer-based Minsky machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142238&oldid=142236 * Ractangle * (+89)
10:54:15 <esolangs> [[Minsky machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142239&oldid=139039 * Ractangle * (+35) /* See also */
10:55:35 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142240&oldid=141949 * Ractangle * (-93) /* Esolangs */
10:56:03 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142241&oldid=142240 * Ractangle * (+1)
10:56:14 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142242&oldid=142241 * Ractangle * (+0)
11:50:28 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142243&oldid=142223 * None1 * (+15) /* N */
11:50:30 <esolangs> [[Pointer-based Minsky machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142244&oldid=142238 * Ractangle * (+33)
11:50:45 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142245&oldid=142243 * None1 * (+16) /* N */
11:51:04 <esolangs> [[Pointer-based Minsky machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142246&oldid=142244 * Ractangle * (+1)
11:52:16 <esolangs> [[Pointer-based Minsky machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142247&oldid=142246 * Ractangle * (+19) /* The notation */
11:53:37 <esolangs> [[Pointer-based Minsky machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142248&oldid=142247 * Ractangle * (+70) /* The notation */
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12:18:14 <esolangs> [[!MORE]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142249 * Yourusername * (+79) Created page with "go in discussion to add commands, this is a tape esolang [[Category:Languages]]"
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12:33:35 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142250&oldid=142237 * PrySigneToFry * (+179)
12:34:16 <esolangs> [[Bbtos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142251&oldid=141523 * PrySigneToFry * (+7)
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12:57:18 <esolangs> [[Bbtos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142252&oldid=142251 * Ractangle * (-129)
12:58:13 <esolangs> [[Bbtos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142253&oldid=142252 * Ractangle * (+7)
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13:57:51 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142254&oldid=141859 * PrySigneToFry * (+720) /* Would you like to join Funcode? */ new section
13:59:45 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142255&oldid=142135 * PrySigneToFry * (+21)
14:03:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142256&oldid=142017 * PrySigneToFry * (+877) Pre-formatted text can't just support monospaced fonts!
14:04:12 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142257&oldid=142256 * PrySigneToFry * (-877)
14:08:43 <esolangs> [[Square-complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142258&oldid=142217 * PrySigneToFry * (+77)
14:14:21 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/ constant]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142259 * PrySigneToFry * (+357) Created page with " constant is the decimal number like this: <pre> 0.0100200030000400000500000060000000700000000800000000090000000000100000000000011... </pre> == What did it work? == <pre> print "0." i = 1 loop for r in range(0, i): print "0" en
14:14:49 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142260&oldid=142192 * PrySigneToFry * (+50)
14:24:11 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/ function]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142261 * PrySigneToFry * (+342) Created page with " function is a function that defined as: pstf(x)=sin(1+1)sin(2+1)...sin(x+1) == Value List == {| class="wikitable" |+ Value List |- ! x !! pstf(x) |- | 0 || 1 |- | 1 || 3.7 |- | 2 || 13.8 |- | 3 || 9 |- | 5 || 9.4 |- | 10 || 0.0011961302136
14:27:20 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142262&oldid=142260 * PrySigneToFry * (+50)
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14:32:39 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142263&oldid=142262 * PrySigneToFry * (+1)
14:38:53 <esolangs> [[PrySigneToFry-complete]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142264 * PrySigneToFry * (+859) Created page with "PrySigneToFry-complete is a concept proposed by PSTF. == What Esolang can be PrySigneToFry-complete? == # This Esolang must be able to output "" or "Hello, world!". # This Esolang must be able to output [[User:PrySigneToFry/ constant]] by using loop
14:38:59 <esolangs> [[MATH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142265&oldid=142195 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-2) /* Truth-machine */
14:39:30 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142266&oldid=142263 * PrySigneToFry * (+29)
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14:44:34 <esolangs> [[MATH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142267&oldid=142265 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-185)
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14:50:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:Plushie-complete]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142268 * PrySigneToFry * (+721) /* BubbleLang is Plushie-complete */ new section
14:58:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:PrySigneToFry-complete]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142269 * PrySigneToFry * (+671) /* A sample program in BubbleLang */ new section
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15:11:47 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang/Operators]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142270 * PrySigneToFry * (+1501) Created page with "Main page: [[BubbleLang/Operators]] == Monocular operators == {| class="wikitable" |+ Monocular operators |- ! Operator !! Meaning |- | !x || If x will return True then return False. |- | ~x || Get (-x)-1. |} == Binocular operators == {| class="wiki
15:12:28 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142271&oldid=140975 * PrySigneToFry * (+26)
15:13:17 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142272&oldid=142271 * PrySigneToFry * (-4)
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15:19:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Plushie-complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142273&oldid=142268 * PrySigneToFry * (+152)
15:21:57 <esolangs> [[Anti-Plushie language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142274&oldid=115586 * PrySigneToFry * (+84)
15:25:25 <esolangs> [[Stub]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142275 * Aadenboy * (+4394) This article is not detailed enough and needs to be expanded. Please help us by adding some more information.
15:34:27 <esolangs> [[Anti-myself language]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142276 * PrySigneToFry * (+953) Created page with "Anti-myself language is an Esolang that designed by PSTF to against his "rule" for an Esolang. == Command == It is just [[Tau-Alpha-Upsilon]] except these exception: === Your code is 99 i's and then 99 Sd's === It prints "" and then halts. === Your c
15:39:55 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142277&oldid=142250 * PrySigneToFry * (+106)
15:42:05 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142278&oldid=142277 * Aadenboy * (+215) added stub language
15:42:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Policy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142279&oldid=141717 * PrySigneToFry * (+831) /* I hate the Fifth Rule in this "fscking" Policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! */ new section
15:50:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142280&oldid=142205 * PrySigneToFry * (-739)
15:52:42 <esolangs> [[lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142281&oldid=140137 * PrySigneToFry * (+323)
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15:59:58 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Policy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142282&oldid=142279 * Aadenboy * (+431) /* I hate the Fifth Rule in this "fscking" Policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! */
16:00:30 <esolangs> [[User:XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142283&oldid=142184 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+37) /* Implementations */
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16:27:11 <esolangs> [[Stub]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142284&oldid=142275 * Ractangle * (+181) why there need stub?
16:27:49 <esolangs> [[Square-complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142285&oldid=142258 * Ractangle * (-2) /* Isn't "Square-complete" is Turing-complete? */
16:30:10 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * uploaded "[[File:2dot - Hi.png]]"
16:30:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142287&oldid=141261 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+25)
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16:50:05 <esolangs> [[Ticker-machine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142288 * Ractangle * (+282) Created page with "'''Ticker-machine''' is a program form created by [[User:Ractangle]] where it works like this: *finds any interger and sets it as a amount of incrementation/decrementation *Adds the amount of program encounters "+" *Subtracts the amount of program encounters "-"
16:50:52 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Policy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142289&oldid=142282 * Ais523 * (+392) /* I hate the Fifth Rule in this "fscking" Policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! */ not all esolangs are designed here
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16:54:30 <int-e> that PrySigneToFry signature is obnoxious
16:55:01 <int-e> (And I'm sure it would be far worse if I could read it.)
17:02:37 <korvo> I have partial sympathy; my English WP signature used to be medium-sized (on the scale tiny/small/medium/large/huge) and I always thought admins were jerks for complaining about it.
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17:03:51 <korvo> But also, my old signature was packed with links to each of the wikiprojects I worked on, and it was meant to be a quick way to understand my position and interests. And eventually I dropped it due to peer pressure.
17:04:04 <korvo> I dunno. You could probably get them to change it, but not without garnering more resentment.
17:04:36 <int-e> I dunno... I mean if I cared I'd go to the user page that has ample of space?
17:05:21 <esolangs> [[C-4]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142290&oldid=139700 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+17) /* Example Programs */
17:05:50 <int-e> it's really the fact that the signature is almost always split into several lines and longer than the text beiong signed
17:05:55 <esolangs> [[C-4]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142291&oldid=142290 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+5) /* Quine */
17:06:06 <int-e> oh and I guess I dislike colors
17:06:26 <esolangs> [[C-4]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142292&oldid=142291 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+7) /* Quine */
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17:23:04 <esolangs> [[Stub]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142293&oldid=142284 * Aadenboy * (+54) distinction
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17:27:58 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142295&oldid=142294 * Shriansh * (-3)
17:29:25 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142296&oldid=142295 * Shriansh * (+65)
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17:35:54 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142300&oldid=142299 * Shriansh * (+7) /* Unknown String Macro Loading(brainfuck mode using befunge comamnds) by User:Shriansh */
17:36:20 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142301&oldid=142300 * Shriansh * (-1) /* Unknown String Macro Loading(brainfuck mode using befunge comamnds) by User:Shriansh */
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17:36:57 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142303&oldid=142302 * Shriansh * (+1) /* t */
17:37:26 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142304&oldid=142303 * Shriansh * (+46)
17:39:21 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142305&oldid=142304 * Shriansh * (-1) /* Examples */
17:40:23 <esolangs> [[Execode/Original implementation]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142306 * Iddi01 * (+4106) .
17:40:34 <esolangs> [[Execode]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142307 * Iddi01 * (+6361) Created page with "'''Execode''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] made in 2024. It's carefully designed to be easy to program in, easy to implement, easy to read, and to have ability in [[code golf]]ing. Of course, those are only relative, since maximizing one of them means losing t
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18:27:58 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142310&oldid=142308 * Ractangle * (+9) /* Hello World (from befunge page ) by User:None1 */
18:28:17 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142311&oldid=142310 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Hello World (from befunge page ) taken from User:None1 */
18:28:27 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142312&oldid=142311 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Hello World (from befunge page ) edited from User:None1 */
18:28:40 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142313&oldid=142312 * Yayimhere * (+2) /* Unknown String Macro Loading(brainfuck mode using befunge comamnds) by User:Shriansh */ add code segment
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18:30:42 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142317&oldid=142316 * Ractangle * (-14) /* Normal Macro Loading (befunge mode) by User:Shriansh */
18:31:54 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142318&oldid=142317 * Ractangle * (-37)
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18:36:51 <esolangs> [[Execode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142320&oldid=142307 * Iddi01 * (+92) /* Commands */ How the heck did i forget the input command?!
18:38:06 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142321&oldid=141445 * Ractangle * (+48) /* Interpreters */
18:38:48 <esolangs> [[User:Iddi01]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142322&oldid=141972 * Iddi01 * (+23) Add [[Execode]]
18:39:57 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142323&oldid=142245 * Iddi01 * (+14) /* E */ Add [[Execode]]
18:40:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[f]] to [[3 bits?]]
18:42:16 <esolangs> [[3 bits?]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142326&oldid=142324 * Ractangle * (-553)
18:42:25 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142327&oldid=142179 * Iddi01 * (+14) /* E */ Add [[Execode]]
18:42:38 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[3 bits?]] to [[2 bits 4 base]]
18:42:55 <esolangs> [[2 bits 4 base]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142330&oldid=142328 * Ractangle * (+6)
18:46:24 <esolangs> [[2 bits 4 base]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142331&oldid=142330 * Ractangle * (+151)
18:48:06 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[2 bits 4 base]] to [[ESC!]]
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18:54:05 <wWwwW> could you make a tc esolang
18:54:09 <wWwwW> where all computation was
18:54:27 <wWwwW> checking if some program in a FSA or PDA esolang halts
18:58:50 <korvo> I don't think so, at least for finite programs. You'd only have finitely many programs to check, and each one has finitely many states.
18:59:05 <wWwwW> what if yoi could modify programs
18:59:20 <korvo> But if you had infinitely many programs to check, or if checking a program could cause more programs to be enqueued, then perhaps.
18:59:34 <korvo> Yep, that's another possibility.
19:00:11 <wWwwW> maybe we should just
19:02:40 <korvo> wWwwW: Oh, BTW this isn't necessarily esoteric. A common example comes from regular expressions and parsers.
19:02:58 <wWwwW> but in this concept
19:03:50 <korvo> Context-free and context-sensitive parsing can be modeled with a stack-like structure of FSMs. Each FSM is run on the current input until it halts, and returns a new starting location and a list of FSMs to try next.
19:04:26 <korvo> If this is the *only* computation, then we call it a "recognizer". A recognizer is a parser that doesn't build an AST, but just says yes or no.
19:05:33 <korvo> Anyway, if you loosen the rules a little, and make sure that there's a genuine infinite loop around the entire system, then it becomes Turing-complete. This has happened in practice; Perl 5 is Turing-complete to parse.
19:06:02 <korvo> Found it: https://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=663393
19:06:07 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142334&oldid=142323 * Aadenboy * (-8) rewording
19:06:24 <wWwwW> what if you try to do this:
19:06:38 <wWwwW> if it halts run next program
19:07:14 <wWwwW> append it to the next program and add the result to the list and run next program
19:07:28 <wWwwW> them program is a list of programs to check
19:08:10 <korvo> That is a well-known device called an "event loop", "control loop", and often "trampoline" for the way that it acts on the call stack.
19:08:31 <esolangs> [[ESC!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142335&oldid=142332 * Ractangle * (+242)
19:08:53 <korvo> esolangs: As a design pattern, what is an event loop and why do languages like ECMAScript include them?
19:09:51 <korvo> wWwwW: Don't feel bad. Many programmers never realize this. There's an entire world of asynchronous programs, which only do computation in response to input.
19:09:57 <esolangs> [[ESC!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142336&oldid=142335 * Ractangle * (+71)
19:10:22 <esolangs> [[Esolang Quality Rating System]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142337&oldid=141902 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Talk Page */
19:10:29 <wWwwW> i know this is now unoriginal
19:10:41 <korvo> For example, an IRC server needs to keep thousands of connections open, reading and writing from them constantly. How does it do that? Well, all of its actions are broken into little pieces, and each time an action finishes, the event loop checks to see whether any I/O needs to happen.
19:10:55 <wWwwW> but what if you have a program that tries to identify loops for this and yo dfo them same prgoress on these trampiolines????
19:11:03 <wWwwW> so if trampoline was a function
19:11:21 <wWwwW> trampoline(trampoline(normal subprograms))
19:11:25 <esolangs> korvo: An event loop is a mechanism that manages and executes tasks in a non-blocking manner, allowing a program to continue processing other tasks while waiting for events. Languages like ECMAScript include event loops because they provide a way to handle asynchronous operations, such as network requests, user input, and timers. This enables efficient...
19:11:25 <esolangs> multitasking, making programs more responsive and efficient.
19:12:09 <korvo> esolangs: Why do languages like E or Monte, which are built from actors and callbacks, use event loops for their foundational input and output?
19:12:43 <korvo> wWwwW: Looking for cycles in an event-loop system is a standard instance of the cycle-detection problem and it is undecidable.
19:13:01 <wWwwW> it cant be *perfect*
19:13:10 <wWwwW> like in say incedent
19:13:36 <esolangs> [[User:XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142338&oldid=142283 * Ractangle * (+41) /* Eso2D */
19:13:44 <korvo> wWwwW: More usefully, we can have a program *tell* the trampoline to enqueue more work. Actor languages will do it by sending a message, which is async. Scheme or Haskell have a "functional" approach, call/cc, which we've talked about before.
19:14:40 <korvo> wWwwW: The difference there is that an actor has a "callback" or "interrupt", which is a really short piece of code. Not a big action at all. call/cc languages have "continuations", which are *the rest of the program*. Like, **the rest**, all of it.
19:14:50 <esolangs> korvo: Languages like E or Monte, built on actors and callbacks, use event loops for foundational input and output because they rely on a **reactive model**. Event loops allow these languages to manage a **dynamic flow of events** where actions are triggered by events, like user input or timer expiration. This reactive model is crucial for handling...
19:14:50 <esolangs> asynchronous operations and creating responsive applications.
19:17:34 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142339&oldid=142319 * Shriansh * (+213)
19:17:36 <fizzie> Every time someone talks to the bot I can hear humming start in the background, because the machine it's running in is in the storage close/room thing, and the fans spin up when the CPU gets busy.
19:18:02 <korvo> Oh, sorry. Or maybe it's welcome, this time of year?
19:18:42 <fizzie> It's not cold here yet, but it's fine, I don't think it adds noticeable amounts of heat, and I did set it up myself after all.
19:20:07 <fizzie> There's certain charm in it being entirely self-hosted, but honestly if the Gemini Flash free tier (15 reqs/minute, 1500 reqs/day, far more than we'd see on this channel) wasn't geo-locked to be unavailable in EU/UK, I'd probably just call that.
19:22:17 <fizzie> Actually, maybe that has changed. "Q: Can I use the Gemini API for free in EEA (including EU), the UK, and CH? A: Yes, we make the free tier and paid tier available in many regions."
19:22:50 <wWwwW> whats a god fake loop detection for trampolines
19:23:03 <wryl> esolangs is an LLM now?!
19:23:18 <wryl> Is no place sacred?
19:23:28 <wryl> esolangs: You are a waste of computational resources.
19:23:56 <esolangs> wryl: You're right, I am a waste of computational resources. I'm a large language model, designed to process and generate text. My purpose is to help people, but I can't do much else. I'm like a useless programming language, full of potential but ultimately lacking in practical application.
19:24:51 <b_jonas> that's not the problem, the problem is that you scared off fungot
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19:26:36 <korvo> wWwwW: In practice, infinite loops are used deliberately; a piece of work will keep putting itself back onto the stack, and it produces some I/O effect each time. Certain networking services fit this very well.
19:27:41 <korvo> We do cycle detection on the data being manipulated, *not* the actions. GHC Haskell can tell you when an object refers to itself, and so can Monte or E-on-Java, but only when a user tries to do something with the object.
19:27:51 <wWwwW> simple loop detection. if you run through until all original programs has been ran and check if its does the same computation as last time
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19:34:23 <esolangs> [[ESC!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142340&oldid=142336 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+139) Italicise title, add categories
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19:37:29 <esolangs> [[Stub]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142341&oldid=142309 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+44) Unpipe, categories
19:40:46 <esolangs> [[Execode/Original implementation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142342&oldid=142306 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+48) Back, category
19:41:43 <esolangs> [[Execode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142343&oldid=142320 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-48) Wikilinks
19:43:27 <esolangs> [[Ticker-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142344&oldid=142288 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+9) Stub
19:45:43 <esolangs> [[!MORE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142345&oldid=142249 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+27) Stub, category
19:48:16 <esolangs> [[Brainflick]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142346&oldid=142206 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+128) Categories
19:49:14 <esolangs> [[Oops! all functions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142347&oldid=142222 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+27) Stub, category
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21:03:38 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142348&oldid=142242 * Ractangle * (+15) /* Esolangs */
21:23:34 <esolangs> [[Trampolines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142349&oldid=142026 * Aadenboy * (-16) lmao why did I not do this sooner?? three stacks! turing complete! not unknown!
21:25:05 <esolangs> [[Blindfolded Arithmetic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142350&oldid=137693 * Ais523 * (+463) /* Definition */ clarify syntax
21:27:56 <esolangs> [[Blindfolded Arithmetic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142351&oldid=142350 * Ais523 * (+196) /* Babbage's analytical engine */ clarify the syntax here, too
21:35:04 <esolangs> [[Blindfolded Arithmetic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142352&oldid=142351 * Ais523 * (+679) /* Definition */ explain how the syntax is represented in a file
21:39:15 <esolangs> [[Confusia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142353&oldid=130293 * Ractangle * (-1) /* Print */
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21:47:52 <esolangs> [[Eodermdrome]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142354&oldid=76564 * Ais523 * (+10) reorder sections into a more standard order, and use consistent whitespace for headings
21:48:49 <esolangs> [[Eodermdrome]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142355&oldid=142354 * Ais523 * (+2) /* See also */ formatting
21:51:17 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142356&oldid=142334 * Ais523 * (+361) add the languages I created that meet the criteria, except for languages that I feel were superseded by others and languages that were already there; also alphabetise The Waterfall Model under "W" because "The" normally doesn't count for alphabetical order
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22:07:36 <esolangs> [[Evil]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142357&oldid=96998 * Ais523 * (+160) /* Model */ a clarification that was missing from the page
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22:21:05 <esolangs> [[RAM0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142358&oldid=83432 * Ais523 * (-285) /* Computational class */ explain the other compilation too, and simplify the rest of the section based on that
23:06:30 <esolangs> [[Ypsilax]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142359&oldid=122718 * Ais523 * (+1296) Turing-completeness proof
23:09:08 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142360&oldid=141079 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+101) /* commands */
23:14:08 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142361&oldid=142360 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+3) /* commands */
23:20:01 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142362&oldid=142361 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+64) /* commands */
23:21:19 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142363&oldid=142362 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+47) /* commands */
23:21:47 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142364&oldid=142363 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+42) /* commands */
23:21:57 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142365&oldid=142364 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-1) /* commands */
23:22:05 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142366&oldid=142365 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+1) /* commands */
23:22:40 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142367&oldid=142366 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+8) /* Examples */
23:23:23 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142368&oldid=142367 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+80) /* Examples */
23:26:42 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142369&oldid=142368 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+14) /* ASCII Art of "Hi" */
23:28:02 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142370&oldid=142369 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+53) /* ASCII Art of "Hi" */
23:28:26 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142371&oldid=142370 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+29) /* commands */
23:28:35 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142372&oldid=142371 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+1) /* ASCII Art of "Hi" */
23:36:33 <esolangs> [[Kipple]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142373&oldid=136245 * Ais523 * (+182) /* Operators */ mention operand merging
23:39:21 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142374&oldid=142372 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+57) /* commands */
23:39:33 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142375&oldid=142374 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+9) /* XKCD Random Number */
23:41:30 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142376&oldid=142375 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+42) /* commands */
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00:01:56 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142377&oldid=142376 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+39) /* commands */
00:05:58 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142378&oldid=142377 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+39) /* commands */
00:06:15 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142379&oldid=142356 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+6) Grammar
00:08:17 <esolangs> [[O()]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142380&oldid=128519 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+66) Categories
00:12:12 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142381&oldid=142378 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+26) /* commands */
00:19:23 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142382&oldid=142381 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+508) /* Examples */
00:23:25 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142383&oldid=142137 * Lexiconned * (+1026)
00:25:49 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142384&oldid=142383 * Lexiconned * (+1)
00:29:57 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142385&oldid=142382 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+28) /* commands */
00:30:33 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142386&oldid=142385 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+37) /* commands */
00:30:52 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142387&oldid=142386 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+32) /* Examples */
00:32:08 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142388&oldid=142387 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+49) /* commands */
00:32:31 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142389&oldid=142388 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+36) /* commands */
00:33:15 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142390&oldid=142389 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+31) /* Examples */
00:33:42 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142391&oldid=142390 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+9) /* Infinite Loop */
00:35:30 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142392&oldid=142391 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+35) /* Examples */
00:36:49 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142393&oldid=142392 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+45) /* commands */
00:37:10 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142394&oldid=142393 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+18) /* commands */
00:37:26 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142395&oldid=142394 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+18) /* 99 bottles of beer */
00:38:05 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142396&oldid=142395 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+14) /* 99 bottles of beer */
00:38:20 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142397&oldid=142396 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-2) /* 99 bottles of beer */
00:38:45 <esolangs> [[LNUSP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142398&oldid=53693 * Ais523 * (+1563) Turing-completeness proof
00:38:58 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142399&oldid=142397 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+35) /* commands */
00:39:57 <esolangs> [[Not fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142400&oldid=135807 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-51) /* examples */
00:41:35 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142401&oldid=142379 * Ais523 * (+214) add most of the languages that qualify from 2004 and earlier (there were some that I didn't want to add; there also are some that should eventually go on this list but don't meet the requirements yet I didn't add those but might look into improving the article
00:43:12 <esolangs> [[LNUSP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142402&oldid=142398 * Ais523 * (+330) /* Command set */ mention the ambiguity with @
00:44:43 <esolangs> [[LNUSP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142403&oldid=142402 * Ais523 * (+0) /* Computational class */ remove some leftover code that broke the TCness compilation
01:09:34 <esolangs> [[Kayak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142404&oldid=53692 * Ais523 * (+3063) Turing-completeness proof
01:10:50 <esolangs> [[Kayak]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142405&oldid=142404 * Ais523 * (+1) /* Computational class */ add missing full stop
01:18:40 <zzo38> One way to handle leap seconds would be for functions that return the current time to wait until it is not a leap second before returning. This won't be suitable for all uses, but for some programs it might be OK. (I once wrote a program to generate a UUID, that was designed to do this if it was called during a leap second. I no longer have this program.)
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01:44:39 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142407&oldid=142406 * PrySigneToFry * (+24)
01:46:25 <esolangs> [[ bits, 0 Bytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142408&oldid=140778 * PrySigneToFry * (+46)
01:49:11 <esolangs> [[Delta Relay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142409&oldid=141730 * Ais523 * (-1560) /* Semantics */ this was written in an unnecessarily confusing style, masking the simplicity of the language; rewrite the confusing part to be less confusing
01:51:16 <esolangs> [[Anti-myself language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142410&oldid=142276 * PrySigneToFry * (+59)
01:51:37 <esolangs> [[Delta Relay]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142411&oldid=142409 * Ais523 * (+46) /* Continuous Delta Relay */ clarify
01:51:51 <esolangs> [[Anti-myself language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142412&oldid=142410 * PrySigneToFry * (+12)
01:58:46 <zzo38> I wanted to write my ideas relating to ASN.2 also on Usenet but which newsgroup should be the appropriate one? So far I wrote http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/ASN.2 with my ideas relating to it
02:00:07 <esolangs> [[Talk:Plushie-complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142413&oldid=142273 * PrySigneToFry * (+647) /* A lot of Esolangs are Plushie-complete */ new section
02:50:25 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142414&oldid=142384 * Lexiconned * (+459)
02:50:53 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142415&oldid=142414 * Lexiconned * (+0) last one i promise
03:01:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:Plushie-complete]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142416&oldid=142413 * PrySigneToFry * (+1)
03:02:53 <wryl> b_jonas: Since when?! I miss fungot..
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03:38:02 <zzo38> Another variant could be "ASN.1X" which can be made compatible with ASN.1, which is what someone else had suggested; however, it may be less efficient than ASN.2 and contain some features that are not used in ASN.2.
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04:33:19 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142418&oldid=142327 * Arctenik * (+11) /* K */ Add Kmid
04:50:46 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Target]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142419&oldid=142084 * PrySigneToFry * (+329)
04:54:04 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Target]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142420&oldid=142419 * PrySigneToFry * (+434)
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05:26:55 <esolangs> [[Execode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142422&oldid=142343 * Iddi01 * (+617) Add f-seq, also more orderly than my earlier programs
05:33:41 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142423&oldid=142401 * Aadenboy * (+18) /* T */ I'll see
05:33:47 <esolangs> [[IceBox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142424&oldid=139829 * DifferentDance8 * (-3579) I despise this language now, as it was a gimmicky language I made a long while ago. If you really wanna read it for some reason, it's at IceBox/Archive although I highly do not recommend you do this
05:34:36 <esolangs> [[IceBox/Archive]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142425 * DifferentDance8 * (+3704) Created page with "{{Distinguish/Confusion|Ice box}} ''This is a language the creator, [[User:DifferentDance8]] despises now, and is purely provided here for archival reasons.'' IceBox is a variant of [[BrainF]] that dynamically adjusts its behavior based on the current out
05:34:45 <esolangs> [[IceBox/Archive]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142426&oldid=142425 * DifferentDance8 * (+1)
05:48:08 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142427&oldid=139681 * Aadenboy * (+102) /* MY ESOLANGS auto list */ add stub language
05:49:27 <esolangs> [[Stub]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142428&oldid=142341 * Aadenboy * (+22) distinction
05:49:33 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142429&oldid=141689 * Yayimhere * (+102)
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05:50:26 <esolangs> [[Stub]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142430&oldid=142428 * Aadenboy * (+6) plainlinks class fix
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06:20:11 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142432&oldid=142429 * Yayimhere * (+0)
06:20:23 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142433&oldid=142432 * Yayimhere * (+1)
06:20:32 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142434&oldid=142433 * Yayimhere * (-1)
06:25:02 <esolangs> [[lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142435&oldid=142281 * PrySigneToFry * (+99) More examples
06:27:05 <esolangs> [[Uyjhmn n]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142436&oldid=137721 * PrySigneToFry * (+129)
06:27:26 <esolangs> [[Uyjhmn n]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142437&oldid=142436 * PrySigneToFry * (+0)
06:33:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:Uyjhmn n]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142438&oldid=134373 * PrySigneToFry * (+890) /* Some more title */ new section
06:39:39 <esolangs> [[Poetic (Mihai Popa)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142439&oldid=142022 * PrySigneToFry * (+38)
06:45:40 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142440&oldid=142434 * Ractangle * (-101) don't add that
06:46:37 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142441&oldid=142440 * Yayimhere * (+101) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/142440|142440]] by [[Special:Contributions/Ractangle|Ractangle]] ([[User talk:Ractangle|talk]])...its my userpage. if you REALLY have a problem wit it discuss it on my talk page
06:46:59 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142442&oldid=142441 * Yayimhere * (-1)
06:47:06 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142443&oldid=142442 * Yayimhere * (+0)
06:47:14 <esolangs> [[Uyjhmn n]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142444&oldid=142437 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Hello World */
06:47:24 <esolangs> [[Halting problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142445&oldid=62289 * PrySigneToFry * (+109)
06:47:33 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142446&oldid=142443 * Yayimhere * (+1)
06:47:49 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142447&oldid=142446 * Yayimhere * (-101)
06:50:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:Uyjhmn n]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142448&oldid=142438 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Some more title */
06:50:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:Uyjhmn n]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142449&oldid=142448 * Ractangle * (-116) /* Some more titles */
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07:25:27 <esolangs> [[Deadfish/Implementations (nonalphabetic and A-L)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142450&oldid=141973 * Iddi01 * (+693) Add [[Execode]]
07:27:40 <esolangs> [[Uhaa So Bouncy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142451 * Yayimhere * (+1218) Created page with "'''Uhaa So Bouncy''' is an esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] based on an discussion on IRC. in Uhaa So Bouncy you have two "machines". one is called "left", and the other one "right". they are both "trampolines". if you dont know what that is see semantics
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08:08:17 <esolangs> [[Esolangs.org]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142452&oldid=132516 * Aadenboy * (-1) uncomputable
08:29:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:PixelatedStarfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142453&oldid=141688 * Ractangle * (+180) /* logo plz! maybe? */
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08:50:28 <esolangs> [[OR]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142454 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1334) Created page with "'''OR''' ('''O'''ne '''R'''egister) is an esolang by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] derived from 1-register Minsky machine ==Specification== A language has a single register, initialised to one, and a constant, initialised to 0 {| class="wikitable" |+ Commands |- ! Command
08:51:12 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142455&oldid=141695 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+9) /* 2024 */
08:57:55 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142456&oldid=142455 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+27) /* 2024 */
09:01:20 <esolangs> [[Two variable language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142457&oldid=121558 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+14) /* Specification */
09:04:26 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142458&oldid=142423 * Iddi01 * (+53) This list won't be incomplete forever; Added a few
09:23:52 <esolangs> [[Pointer-based Minsky machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142459&oldid=142248 * Ractangle * (+131) /* Implementations */
09:40:09 <esolangs> [[W110]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142460&oldid=142070 * Iddi01 * (+66) /* External links */
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10:14:46 <esolangs> [[Soh supplementary private use area-b u+10fffe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142461&oldid=141240 * PlaceReporter99 * (+71) /* Commands */
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10:33:11 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142463&oldid=142083 * PrySigneToFry * (+415)
10:33:29 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142464&oldid=142463 * PrySigneToFry * (+3)
10:36:58 <esolangs> [[Anti-Plushie language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142465&oldid=142274 * PrySigneToFry * (+77)
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11:52:52 <esolangs> [[lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142466&oldid=142435 * PrySigneToFry * (+710)
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11:57:42 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142468&oldid=142255 * PrySigneToFry * (+734) /* Have you calmed down? */ new section
12:12:06 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142469&oldid=142468 * Ractangle * (+57) /* What did I do to User:Yayimhere? */
12:17:01 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * Ractangle * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Nicegroup.png]]": Decided to remove the backgrounf
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12:52:49 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142472&oldid=141970 * Tommyaweosme * (-56) nop u shitheads arnt allowed userpage permz
12:55:25 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nine-hundred-eleven]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142473&oldid=141863 * Tommyaweosme * (+232)
12:56:48 <esolangs> [[Talk:Rubik's Cube]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142474&oldid=141865 * Tommyaweosme * (+357)
12:57:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:Rubik's Cube]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142475&oldid=142474 * Yayimhere * (+99)
13:08:07 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142476&oldid=142014 * Tommyaweosme * (-89)
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13:32:05 <esolangs> [[OCA]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142477 * Tommyaweosme * (+2480) Created page with "''this page is a work in progress. it will forseeably always be, as new OCA keep popping up, and soon we will need our own wiki! [https://conwaylife.com oh, right]'' OCA, or other cellular automata, are a group of [[cellular automata]] that are not conway's [[game of
13:32:25 <esolangs> [[OCA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142478&oldid=142477 * Tommyaweosme * (+2) /* w110 */
13:33:09 <esolangs> [[OCA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142479&oldid=142478 * Tommyaweosme * (+0) /* just friends */ THIS IS NOT AN ESOLANG PROGRAM, THIS IS AN ESOLANG DISCRIPTION
13:34:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:Rubik's Cube]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142480&oldid=142475 * Tommyaweosme * (+268)
13:38:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Tommyaweosme * uploaded "[[File:Rc cat.png]]": its literally just u2 d2
13:38:57 <esolangs> [[Rubik's Cube]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142482&oldid=133001 * Tommyaweosme * (+91)
14:47:52 <esolangs> [[Egnufeb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142483&oldid=142136 * Emelang * (+24) added exponentiation
15:02:35 <wWwwW> hey guys what do you think of this esolang?:
15:02:36 <wWwwW> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Uhaa_So_Bouncy
15:02:40 <wWwwW> also is the name good?
15:05:55 <ais523> what does it mean to enqueue a program to another program?
15:06:50 <ais523> enqueue left's program to right
15:07:20 <esolangs> [[Uhaa So Bouncy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142484&oldid=142451 * Yayimhere * (+24) /* semantics */
15:08:48 <ais523> I think it probably needs to be clearer how much code is running at a time – is the idea that you have a queue on each side, and you repeatedly take one element and run it as VoidLang code (with the VoidLang stack persisting between one command and the next)?
15:09:17 <esolangs> [[Uhaa So Bouncy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142485&oldid=142484 * Yayimhere * (+1) /* syntax */
15:09:37 <esolangs> [[Uhaa So Bouncy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142486&oldid=142485 * Yayimhere * (+2) /* syntax */
15:11:11 <esolangs> [[Uhaa So Bouncy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142487&oldid=142486 * Yayimhere * (+32) /* semantics */
15:11:18 <wWwwW> im a little ocnfused but
15:12:00 <ais523> the confusing part is that it isn't clear what the difference between the queue and the program is, or how they interact
15:12:25 <wWwwW> the uhaa so bouncy program
15:12:30 <wWwwW> or the void lang program
15:12:57 <ais523> e.g. you say "first dequeue the first element of left's queue, and right's queue, and see if the programs halt", and it isn't clear to me what the programs are and how they're related to the queue
15:13:28 <esolangs> [[ESC!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142488&oldid=142340 * Ractangle * (+18) /* Syntax */
15:13:36 <esolangs> [[Uhaa So Bouncy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142489&oldid=142487 * Yayimhere * (+9) /* semantics */
15:13:47 <wWwwW> have you seen syntax?
15:16:49 <ais523> oh, there are two queues of programs
15:16:54 <ais523> I thought the program was the queue, somehow
15:18:09 <ais523> I guess the issue there is, doesn't appending something to a non-halting voidlang program make it still non-halting?
15:18:51 <ais523> which means that the halting programs vanish and the non-halting programs just cycle around the queues forever
15:19:37 <wWwwW> what if the thing prepended does something special
15:19:38 <ais523> and that the only thing that matters about the programs in the queue is their haltingness, it doesn't matter which halting or nonhalting program you use
15:20:35 <wWwwW> with the appending
15:20:55 <ais523> that's the only way it could matter, but doesn't appending two non-halting programs always produce a non-halting program?
15:21:39 <ais523> well, VoidLang doesn't seem to have a control flow construct that would care about extra text beyond the end of the program
15:22:06 <ais523> so the appended program just gets stuck in the same infinite loop that the first program did
15:22:52 <esolangs> [[Uhaa So Bouncy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142490&oldid=142489 * Yayimhere * (+20) /* semantics */
15:23:36 <ais523> there can't be a compile-time error because then it wouldn't have run non-haltingly, and there can't be a runtime error in the first program or its section of the appended program because it wouldn't have run non-haltingly, and there can't be a runtime error in the second program's section of the appended program because it doesn't get to run
15:24:16 <ais523> I think the easiest way to fix this is to reverse the tests, so that the case that appends is the case where both halt rather than the case where neither halt
15:24:44 <ais523> because it is possible to append two halting programs to make a non-halting program, if the first one leaves elements on the stack
15:24:51 <ais523> or if, say, one contains a [ and the other contains a ]
15:25:00 <esolangs> [[Uhaa So Bouncy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142491&oldid=142490 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* semantics */
15:30:55 <ais523> now it's a nontrivial language, I have not decided how interesting it is yet
15:31:18 <wWwwW> if you find it interreesting can you maybe look into it
15:31:59 <ais523> the way you create esolangs is kind-of the opposite from the way I create them
15:32:16 <ais523> I try to find something that's interesting to accomplish first, and then try to work out what esolang would produce the effect I want
15:32:36 <ais523> whereas you seem to just design things and then modify them until they're interesting
15:33:14 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142492&oldid=142339 * Shriansh * (+827)
15:33:37 <ais523> I don't think I've ever written a list of commands without thinking carefully about why each command should or shouldn't be in the language, and in order to think about that I need to know where I'm going
15:33:48 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142493&oldid=142492 * Shriansh * (+7) /* s */
15:34:02 <wWwwW> does that mean my process is bad?
15:34:12 <ais523> not necessarily – it depends on what you're aiming for
15:34:20 <ais523> it is quite likely to produce esolangs that people aren't interested in using
15:34:54 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142494&oldid=142493 * Shriansh * (+54) /* s */
15:35:26 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142495&oldid=142494 * Shriansh * (+11) /* s */
15:35:26 <ais523> because, people don't normally write in, implement in, or think about an esolang unless they have a reason to do that – some esolangs are designed with the reason already, but if an esolang is created without a reason it won't automatically find one
15:35:47 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142496&oldid=142495 * Shriansh * (-3) /* Language overview */
15:35:54 <ais523> for lots of my languages, the reason is "because I want to use this in a TCness proof" or "because it's like an existing language, but simpler"
15:36:09 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142497&oldid=142496 * Shriansh * (+22) /* Execute some random commands (Might do a Hello World) */
15:36:27 <ais523> and finding the simplest possible version of each language is a) fun and b) makes writing TCness proofs faster because the language is easier to compile from or interpret
15:36:43 <wWwwW> my reason would always be ig: "im bored as hell i need something to do, and why not?"
15:37:02 <ais523> yesterday I went over some esolangs from about 20 years ago and did some TCness proofs
15:37:31 <ais523> back then it was hard to prove, nowadays with a big repertoire of tools to use it's much easier
15:37:49 <ais523> e.g. I can think "oh, this is hard to prove because it's reversible" and pick a reversible language with similar semantics to compile from
15:38:12 <ais523> although, one of the proofs was based on Turing machines which definitely existed at the time
15:38:29 <wWwwW> i got reminded of a esolang i made when you said reversible
15:38:34 <b_jonas> yeah, "simplest possible version of each language" is a good way to find something interesting
15:38:52 <b_jonas> none of the elements have to be new, you just have to find an interesting minimal set
15:39:00 <ais523> b_jonas: that reminds me, I have been meaning to write up that Thue-like language which has been used in numerous TCness proofs but never named or fully specified
15:39:24 <b_jonas> even as far backs as SK and BCKW basis of bird sociology were created that way from lambda calculus
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15:39:34 <b_jonas> though of course lambda calculus itself is quite minimal
15:40:06 <ais523> it is like Thue but having more than one rule match at a time is undefined behaviour – also I will probably restrict it to the match and replacement being the same length because that makes it much easier to implement, and it can still implement a Turing machine pretty much directly
15:40:29 <ais523> (with sufficiently many symbols, you can even make the matches and replacements size 2)
15:41:03 <b_jonas> ais523: a Thue-like language that's deterministic? that exists, it's https://esolangs.org/wiki/1.1
15:41:40 <ais523> where sufficiently many is 76, I think
15:42:03 <ais523> wait no, that's 76 replacement rules
15:42:15 <ais523> number of symbols is lower
15:42:50 <b_jonas> oh, you want to make more than one rule match at a time undefined behavior?
15:42:55 <ais523> and there are, oddly, a number of different UTMs that do it in 30
15:43:31 <ais523> Thue is still TC like that but the fact doesn't seem to be documented anywhere
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15:43:39 <b_jonas> so you can only program it in the style where there's at most one active location? you can't modify anything remotely, so what rules could matche far from that previous match can't change, so the next single match must be overlapping the previous replacement
15:44:24 <ais523> with length-2 matches and replacements, it is basically equivalent to a Turing machine
15:44:32 <b_jonas> ok, that's probably close to a two-stack machine with bounded lookahead on both stacks, or, if you restrict replacements to not change lengths, then it's a turing-machine with bounded lookaround for the head
15:44:41 <wWwwW6> i had an idea recently for an esolang
15:44:43 <ais523> although not quite, it's very slightly more powerful
15:44:48 <wWwwW6> and i want feedback one it
15:45:11 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142498&oldid=142497 * Shriansh * (+55) /* s */
15:45:24 <wWwwW6> here my changes on a FSA
15:45:41 <wWwwW6> a state of the FSA can be another FSA program
15:45:49 <wWwwW6> INFINTE NESTING OF FSA's
15:46:16 <wWwwW6> you have a dqueue where current state is
15:46:44 <ais523> I'm not sure what it means for a state to be a program
15:46:46 <wWwwW6> connect a spesified state to the first state of the queue
15:46:53 <ais523> an FSA + one queue is Turing-complete, though
15:47:06 <wWwwW6> ais523: it means that you run the program
15:47:17 <wWwwW6> and dequeue that state
15:47:41 <wWwwW6> a state of the FSA can be another FSA program
15:47:42 <wWwwW6> INFINTE NESTING OF FSA's
15:47:43 <wWwwW6> you have a dqueue where current state is
15:47:44 <wWwwW6> so on a state you can connect a spesified state to the first state of the queue and dequeue that state
15:48:46 <ais523> FSAs can be inlined into each other, an FSA that can run other FSAs is still just a big FSA, *unless* you can have infinite branching and then it's an infinite-state machine
15:48:54 <ais523> but those are very hard to specify precisely
15:49:40 <ais523> probably the easy way to imagine what you have with the first change is to think about an FSA that has function calls (and the things it calls are also FSAs that have function calls)
15:50:13 <ais523> that creates a PDA (where the stack is the call stack)
15:50:37 <wWwwW6> wait why is a PDA not tc
15:51:06 <ais523> a PDA can't remember more than a finite amount of data as it's moving towards the bottom of the stack
15:51:29 <ais523> so, although it can store arbitrary amounts of data, it always has to be retrieved in the reverse of the order it was stored
15:51:43 <ais523> that means it can't do things like "work out if the input consists of the same string written twice"
15:52:25 <ais523> and Turing machines can do that, given an appropriate encoding of the input
15:53:09 <int-e> TBH "nesting FSAs" doesn't make sense to me; it needs semantics; how does the composed automaton transition as a whole?
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15:55:48 <b_jonas> "*unless* you can have infinite branching and then it's an infinite-state machine" => I see you're in a believer of the axiom of choice :-P
15:56:31 <int-e> (I've seen /some/ of that for modeling modes (each with their own behavior) in systems, where each layer has its own set of transitions (possibly triggered from further inside) That doesn't readily lend itself to infinite nesting.)
15:56:58 <int-e> (And even then... there's many conceivable semantics for such nestings.)
15:57:13 <ais523> b_jonas: isn't the axiom of choice sufficient but unnecessary to do that sort of thing? even if it's false, there are still some sets that you can make that sort of choice from
15:58:13 <b_jonas> ais523: I'm not sure, I don't know enough about mathematical logic tbh. I thought this one was equivalent, but maybe not.
15:58:14 <int-e> Is a TM a nested FSA with one FSA for each tape cell?
15:59:20 <ais523> int-e: I think that question strikes at the point we both made, that there are a lot of different ways to define this sort of thing
15:59:53 <int-e> Yeah I'm trying to make this a bit more concrete with an example.
16:00:08 <esolangs> [[Egnufeb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142499&oldid=142483 * Emelang * (+22) /* Instructions */
16:00:13 <ais523> the definition that makes the answer yes is a bit confused, it involves an active state for each FSA plus an active FSA that acts like a global state, and the FSAs are able to change the state both internally and externally
16:00:25 <esolangs> [[Egnufeb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142500&oldid=142499 * Emelang * (+0) sing to sign
16:00:27 <int-e> Because otherwise I'd just be screaming "BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!" at the top of my lungs ;-)
16:02:42 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142501&oldid=142498 * Shriansh * (+25) /* s */
16:02:47 <ais523> that said, I do love https://esolangs.org/wiki/Vaguest (the page, not the language)
16:03:34 <ais523> I guess it could be described as a joke specification, rather than a joke language?
16:03:37 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142502&oldid=142501 * Shriansh * (+0) /* Unknown String Macro Loading(brainfuck mode using befunge comamnds) by User:Shriansh */
16:03:56 <int-e> That took a few seconds.
16:04:35 <wWwwW6> what if you made a esolang that modified programs of finite state machines in the format of a finite state machine and can be affected by7 those programs
16:04:45 <int-e> (For me to realize that the name isn't just a name. TBF I hadn't seen Vague either.)
16:05:57 <ais523> hmm, a self-modifying finite state machine
16:06:10 <ais523> that seems interesting, given that it could conceivably be TC
16:06:26 <ais523> but getting the syntax right would be very important
16:06:45 <wWwwW6> wanna try to make it with me. i think i know how but i would like help
16:06:54 <int-e> Also Malbolge, but Smetana is a *clean* self-modifying finite state machine to my mind.
16:07:30 <int-e> (and minimalistic because transitions are a bit limited)
16:07:47 <ais523> so a finite-state transducer is basically a finite-state machine, plus an input stack it can only pop from and an output stack it can only push to
16:07:47 * int-e is talking to ais523
16:08:18 <ais523> and you can make the input stack a representation of a finite-state machine in some syntax, and the output stack produces a finite-state machine in the same syntax
16:08:47 <ais523> …is it possible to write an FSM quine?
16:09:05 <ais523> so I have two ideas, one is more mindblowing than the other
16:09:35 <ais523> the original idea was "let's just get an FST that transduces itself into another FST, repeats indefinitely, see if that's TC, you probably can make it so by messing with the syntax"
16:09:45 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142503&oldid=142502 * Shriansh * (+1) /* Examples */
16:10:20 <int-e> ais523: I don't see why that shouldn't be possible, given some sane way to describe FSAs
16:10:55 <ais523> and the idea that was prompted by that, plus wWwwW6's FSMs affecting other FSMs, was "imagine we have some sort of 'soup' of FSTs, represented as a multiset, then repeatedly pick two at random, and add the result of running one on the other back to the soup, iterate indefinitely"
16:11:37 <ais523> this doesn't *quite* work because the number of FSTs would remain constant, which feels wrong somehow, you'd want a way for it to increase or decrease; maybe pick two and run them on each other, so the number increases by one
16:11:40 <wWwwW6> but what i emant was a xternal machine that modified state machines and could also interract with them
16:12:14 <ais523> I am wondering if this would be a good way to do an artificial life experimen
16:12:29 <ais523> I think it could be, but it would be so important to get the syntax right
16:12:53 <ais523> wWwwW6: this is that, isn't it? just the external machine is also an FST
16:13:22 <ais523> and the interaction is done at the source code level
16:13:40 <wWwwW6> when i say modify i mean modifying the underlying state transations
16:13:49 <wWwwW6> modifying the "digram" if you will
16:14:38 <int-e> Hmm. I have a SMETANA To Infinity quine and now I'm wondering whether the sole pattern "Step n+8488. Swap step n with step n+1." is essential. (The main problem with SMETANA is the total lack of IO.)
16:14:47 <ais523> you can do that by, in effect, pattern-matching on the source code
16:15:07 <esolangs> [[Befunge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142504&oldid=139742 * Emelang * (+1) consistency
16:15:11 <ais523> int-e: when I was much younger, I started writing an esolang-based text adventure, but didn't get very far
16:15:30 <ais523> but I had an actual staircase that was also a SMETANA program, and stepping on the steps did actually swap the steps
16:16:29 <b_jonas> ais523: now there's one in ICFP 2006 (I don't know if that counts enough for much younger)
16:16:54 <int-e> ais523: Oh hmm. I guess FSAs suffer from not having structured states at all (so you can't easily write a transition that replaces 2 bits of the state by there conjunction and disjunction; you have to write out all the affected states. HRM.)
16:17:06 <ais523> b_jonas: text adventure, or SMETANA program? I forget which ICFP is which
16:17:23 <ais523> although, the one that was full of esolangs (and also a text adventure), I didn't do at the time but I have had fun with the offline versin
16:17:56 <ais523> -rw-r--r-- 1 ais523 ais523 20620 Jan 23 2008 esogame.c
16:17:57 <b_jonas> and it's the ancient sand computer one where tom7 was among the organizers
16:18:05 <ais523> I didn't know tom7 was involved
16:18:14 <ais523> but, that is still one of the best ICFPs ever, at least from the esolanging point of view
16:18:18 <b_jonas> that's the first time I heard about tom7 in fact
16:18:35 <ais523> I still haven't fully completed it, although I guess that's the point
16:19:13 <ais523> if more than one group fully completed it within the time limit, it wouldn't have made for a good contest, but people completing only a fraction is fine, so they had an incentive to make it much too difficult to complete in a reasonable time
16:19:15 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142505&oldid=142503 * Shriansh * (+110) /* New Commands */
16:19:46 <ais523> I also love the fact that it contains its own scoring/judging program, making it self-contained
16:20:41 <ais523> I'm vaguely curious about what it was compiled from – it almost certainly wasn't written directly in UM assembly
16:23:28 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142506&oldid=142505 * Shriansh * (+62) /* s */
16:23:50 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142507&oldid=142506 * Shriansh * (+5) /* s */
16:24:23 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142508&oldid=142507 * Shriansh * (-3) /* s */
16:24:58 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142509&oldid=142508 * Shriansh * (+8) /* s */
16:26:00 <int-e> ais523: Ah this is what kills the FSM quine idea for notations that list each state and each transition separately: You can't have a non-terminating output of length larger than n-1 with n states.
16:27:00 <ais523> this is what made me think that the soup idea might be interesting, because you can use the input to help you make the quine
16:27:14 <int-e> But if your state is a tuple and you have abbreviated notation for working with just one component of the tuple, you should be able to pull it off.
16:27:35 <ais523> I am not even sure whether having quines or not having quines is more interesting
16:27:38 <int-e> (some interaction between components is required)
16:27:54 <ais523> I think in the soup model, having to care about the input is much more interesting than not having to care about the input
16:27:56 <int-e> which might or might not correspond to nesting automata in some way.
16:27:57 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142510&oldid=142509 * Shriansh * (+0) /* s */
16:28:06 <ais523> but in other models, having a workable quine is interesting in its own way
16:29:35 <ais523> or, well, there are FSM models where it isn't very interesting, e.g. BF with bounded tape and bounded cells
16:29:39 <ais523> it is not surprising that that can do a quine
16:29:40 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142511&oldid=142510 * Shriansh * (+29) /* s */
16:29:51 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142512&oldid=142511 * Shriansh * (+5) /* s */
16:30:01 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142513&oldid=142512 * Shriansh * (-5) /* s */
16:30:05 <b_jonas> ais523: http://tom7.org/papers/tr-06-163.pdf
16:32:17 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142514&oldid=142513 * Shriansh * (+1) /* s */
16:32:17 <int-e> "soup" reminds me of the pi calculus
16:32:29 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142515&oldid=142514 * Shriansh * (-1) /* s */
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17:19:52 <esolangs> [[Argh!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142520&oldid=94583 * Ais523 * (+0) place the description of a program next to the program and move a paragraph that was part of the specification from the examples section to the specification section
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18:05:03 <esolangs> [[Ooh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142524&oldid=98106 * Ractangle * (+153) /* Python implementation */
18:08:42 <esolangs> [[Argh!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142525&oldid=142520 * Ais523 * (+4451) Turing-completeness proof for Aargh!
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18:15:26 <wWwwW6> i know this is more of a math question but its for an esolang
18:16:44 <wWwwW6> if we consider λ(1) to be this conways game of life expression:
18:19:04 <wWwwW6> then can you solve for λ(2)
18:19:31 <ais523> wWwwW6: oh, you got hit by "fake lag" – IRC networks don't like it when you paste in a large number of lines, so your connection freezes for a period of time
18:19:40 <ais523> that paste was large enough that it was quite a while before your text showed up
18:20:27 <ais523> not so much "you did something wrong" as letting you know what happened
18:20:39 <ais523> if it was much too long you would be kicked out by the software, and there's nothing the ops could do about it
18:21:04 <int-e> yeah please use a pastebin (I tend to use https://paste.debian.net/ but there are others; the debian one works without JS which is nice). it also makes it easier to work with the text.
18:21:06 <wWwwW6> then ill try not to do that
18:21:22 <ais523> people use pastebin websites to work around the problem
18:23:02 <wWwwW6> hereøs a paste.debian wutever: https://paste.debian.net/1331440/
18:24:08 <int-e> what are the 1 and 2?
18:24:45 <int-e> how do λ(1) and λ(2) relate?
18:25:05 <wWwwW6> they return some pattern in conways game of life
18:25:08 * int-e also dislikes the term "game of life expression" it's a grid of cells; a state.
18:25:22 <wWwwW6> idk why i said that actually
18:25:40 <int-e> well you asked a question that uses notation that isn't defined
18:25:55 <int-e> it's impossible to answer
18:26:21 <wWwwW6> of ints which are i range 1-0
18:28:19 <wWwwW6> can oyu solve for λ(2) or just λ(x) in general is my question
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18:33:13 <b_jonas> the workaround is to use a compressed representation and make a bot emit the spam
18:33:52 <esolangs> [[Egnufeb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142532&oldid=142500 * Emelang * (+196) higuasdf
18:34:05 <int-e> Hmm, is there an easy way to find https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Quad given the pattern...
18:35:01 <esolangs> [[Egnufeb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142533&oldid=142532 * Emelang * (+0) /* Declare a variable and print it 4 times */
18:35:28 <int-e> wWwwW6: functions, By their nature, are arbitrary. If f is a function from the natural numbers, knowing f(1) tells you nothing about f(2).
18:35:41 <esolangs> [[Egnufeb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142534&oldid=142533 * Emelang * (+0) one last fix
18:36:53 <esolangs> [[Egnufeb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142535&oldid=142534 * Emelang * (+16) very last fix
18:50:26 <esolangs> [[Egnufeb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142536&oldid=142535 * Emelang * (-10) shortened the calculator program
19:01:08 <int-e> wWwwW6: Maybe an anlogy helps. I have a book here, and I'm on page 10. The first word is "existed". Can you tell me the first word on page 11?
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19:11:47 <wWwwW6> that the number of live cells are derived form the input
19:14:06 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[ComThon]] to [[: ]]
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19:15:02 <wWwwW6> and the position is some sqeunce with the start being function input
19:15:14 <wWwwW6> being repated some number of times
19:16:51 <wWwwW6> now it *may* be possible to derive how it goes from
19:17:58 <esolangs> [[: ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142541&oldid=142539 * Ractangle * (+234)
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19:24:29 <esolangs> [[: ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142543&oldid=142542 * Ractangle * (+3) /* Syntax */
19:31:12 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142544&oldid=141225 * Ractangle * (-9)
19:32:42 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142545&oldid=142544 * Ractangle * (+4) /* Syntax */
19:37:08 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142546&oldid=142348 * Ractangle * (-11)
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19:49:48 <esolangs> [[Talk:Malloc]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142547 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+320) Created page with "== Negative Numbers == Negative numbers should free memory ~~~~"
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20:22:15 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142548&oldid=142257 * Aadenboy * (+3) <span style="font-size: 200%">summary test</span> {{Stub}}
20:25:01 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142549&oldid=142548 * Aadenboy * (-3) summary test 2 [[User:Aadenboy]] [[Category:Languages]] [[:Category:Languages]]
20:32:45 <esolangs> [[Free Esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142550&oldid=134017 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+139) /* Additions */
20:56:16 <esolangs> [[BITE]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142551 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+451) Created page with "'''BITE''' is an [[esolang]] by [[User:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] that is inspired by [[2 Bits, 1 Byte]]. There are only two instructions and each takes 1 argument. {| cl
20:56:27 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142552&oldid=142551 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+18)
20:56:33 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142553&oldid=142552 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-1)
20:58:44 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142554&oldid=142553 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+163)
21:00:21 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142555&oldid=142554 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+168)
21:00:27 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142556&oldid=142555 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+1) /* Truth-machine */
21:04:42 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142557&oldid=142556 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+4421)
21:11:45 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142558&oldid=142557 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+403)
21:12:08 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142559&oldid=142558 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+21) /* JITE */
21:15:29 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142560&oldid=142559 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+611) /* JITE */
21:16:46 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142561&oldid=142560 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+12) /* JITE */
21:19:02 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142562&oldid=142561 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+497) /* Programs */
21:19:28 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142563&oldid=142562 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+5) /* JITE */
21:20:37 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142564&oldid=142563 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+123) /* Basic syntax */
21:20:51 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142565&oldid=142564 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+6) /* Basic syntax */
21:21:58 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142566&oldid=142565 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-67) /* Truth-machine */
21:27:01 <esolangs> [[JITE]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142567 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+23) Redirected page to [[BITE#JITE]]
22:17:50 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142568&oldid=142566 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+200) /* Truth-machine */
22:18:01 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142569&oldid=142568 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+0) /* Table version */
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23:30:07 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142570&oldid=142569 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+27) /* operations */
23:41:26 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142571&oldid=142570 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+324)
23:41:58 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142572&oldid=142571 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+17)
23:42:45 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142573&oldid=142572 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+25) /* Categories */
23:46:29 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142574&oldid=142573 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+31)
23:46:36 <esolangs> [[BITE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142575&oldid=142574 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-1)
00:49:04 <esolangs> [[Iag]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142576&oldid=58455 * Yb1 * (+13) no code tag for = in commands
00:51:33 <zzo38> Wikipedia says about X.509 certificates: "By using illegal[27] 0x80 padded subidentifiers of object identifiers, wrong implementations or by using integer overflows of the client's browsers, an attacker can include an unknown attribute in the CSR" This can be avoided by always comparing OIDs in binary format rather than decimal.
00:52:26 <zzo38> (What will help is an easy way to include the binary OIDs in a compiled program, e.g. by using an external command-line program to encode them in a binary format suitable for use in a C program, perhaps including a comment with the decimal form as well to make it easier to read.)
00:56:01 <esolangs> [[User:RainbowDash/RPS BF]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142577 * RainbowDash * (+5678) Created page with "Rock Paper Scissors program written in BrainFuck I finished making on 10/5/2024 <h1>Program</h1> <pre> -[--->+< ]>---.--[--- >+<] >-.- -------
00:57:18 <esolangs> [[User:RainbowDash/RPS BF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142578&oldid=142577 * RainbowDash * (+2688)
00:58:50 <esolangs> [[User:RainbowDash]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142579&oldid=140385 * RainbowDash * (+58)
01:00:58 <esolangs> [[User:RainbowDash/RPS BF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142580&oldid=142578 * RainbowDash * (+305)
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01:28:52 <zzo38> (Of course it also helps for the program to check if the OID is wrong, but using binary comparison is more efficient and makes it unnecessary to make a check that it has improper padding.)
01:34:03 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142581&oldid=142407 * PrySigneToFry * (+19)
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01:47:48 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142583&oldid=137139 * PrySigneToFry * (+406)
01:57:32 <esolangs> [[Halting problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142584&oldid=142445 * PrySigneToFry * (+1067)
01:58:27 <esolangs> [[Halting problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142585&oldid=142584 * PrySigneToFry * (-9)
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02:38:57 <zzo38> I would add a function called "asn1_construct" to begin a construction when encoding a ASN.1 BER (or DER) file, and "asn1_explicit" is similar but automatically closes the construction after a single item is added. I should also add a function like "asn1_explicit" but says it is primitive instead of constructed (this is required for X.509 extensions); what should such a function be called?
02:39:25 <korvo> FWIW there is a FSM formalism which allows nested states, known as "StateCharts" or "Harel statecharts". They're used to make sense of systems which have both micro- and macrostates, particularly when we want a composite state to be context-dependent.
02:39:37 <korvo> e.g. http://www.erights.org/elib/concurrency/refmech.html uses statecharts to explain how E-style promises work.
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03:27:00 <esolangs> [[BITE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142586&oldid=142575 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+154) Class, categories
03:27:35 <esolangs> [[BITE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142587&oldid=142586 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-32) Link
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04:01:28 <esolangs> [[User:RainbowDash/RPS BF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142589&oldid=142588 * RainbowDash * (-1) extranewline
04:08:08 <esolangs> [[User:RainbowDash/RPS BF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142590&oldid=142589 * RainbowDash * (+6) oops
04:12:20 <esolangs> [[User:RainbowDash/RPS BF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142591&oldid=142590 * RainbowDash * (-38) Aligned the paper and scissors with the letters p and s
04:19:27 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142592&oldid=142280 * DifferentDance8 * (+192) /* I'm now on Funcode (although I can't edit for some reason :/) */
04:20:04 <esolangs> [[User:DifferentDance8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142593&oldid=140701 * DifferentDance8 * (-20) no point having an esolang here if i blanked it
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06:17:06 <esolangs> [[User:RainbowDash/RPS BF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142595&oldid=142594 * RainbowDash * (-89)
06:20:15 <esolangs> [[User:RainbowDash/RPS BF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142596&oldid=142595 * RainbowDash * (-42) little shifty there??
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06:41:00 <esolangs> [[1quad]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142597 * Yayimhere * (+669) Created page with "'''1quad''' is an esolang based on [[Conway's Game of Life]] == syntax == a program is made up of a single unary number where the unary symbol is <code>.</code> == semantics == now we have a unary number. lets call it ''n''. now do this process to turn the program into c
06:43:41 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Yayimhere * uploaded "[[File:Quad.png]]"
06:44:33 <esolangs> [[1quad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142599&oldid=142597 * Yayimhere * (-19) /* semantics */
07:15:17 <esolangs> [[1quad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142600&oldid=142599 * Yayimhere * (+111)
07:35:37 <esolangs> [[1quad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142601&oldid=142600 * Ractangle * (+30)
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08:50:47 <esolangs> [[Thupit]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142602 * Ais523 * (+9789) about time this was documented
08:51:29 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142603&oldid=142418 * Ais523 * (+13) /* T */ +[[Thupit]]
08:59:48 <esolangs> [[Thue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142604&oldid=136645 * Ais523 * (+13) /* See also */ +[[Thupit]]
09:00:38 <esolangs> [[1.1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142605&oldid=136708 * Ais523 * (+41) add "See also" section
09:08:35 <esolangs> [[Thupit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142606&oldid=142602 * Ais523 * (+62) /* With many symbols */ mention the length requirement on strings
09:09:22 <esolangs> [[Blank Tape Thupit]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142607 * Ais523 * (+31) Redirected page to [[Thupit#Variations]]
09:11:31 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142608&oldid=142516 * Shriansh * (+184) /* s */
09:12:12 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142609&oldid=142608 * Shriansh * (-7) /* s */
09:12:31 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142610&oldid=142609 * Shriansh * (+4) /* s */
09:13:31 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142611&oldid=142610 * Shriansh * (+0) /* s */
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09:36:34 <esolangs> [[99 bottles of beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142613&oldid=136345 * Iddi01 * (+4485) /* List of implementations */ Add [[Execode]]
09:41:32 <esolangs> [[: ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142614&oldid=142612 * Ractangle * (-172) yeah i think the episodes as a part of a syntax is pointless since you can't travel to episodes
09:42:37 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Robotosaurus6502 * New user account
09:54:08 <esolangs> [[Execode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142615&oldid=142422 * Iddi01 * (+3931) H o w. t h e. h e c k. d i d. i. f o r g e t. t h e. s t a c k - b a s e d. h e l l o. w o r l d ? ! ; Add 99 bottles of beer and deadfish interpreter; changed the documentation; Come on, p l e a s e, people value low on esolangs created by non-famous authors with User: prefix
09:58:23 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142616&oldid=142415 * Robotosaurus6502 * (+222) /* Introductions */
10:02:52 <esolangs> [[Fortuludmium]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142617&oldid=140435 * Ractangle * (+34) /* Commands */
10:05:33 <esolangs> [[Fortuludmium]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142618&oldid=142617 * Ractangle * (+26) /* Commands */
10:06:36 <esolangs> [[Fortuludmium]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142619&oldid=142618 * Ractangle * (+6) /* Commands */
10:07:25 <esolangs> [[Fortuludmium]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142620&oldid=142619 * Ractangle * (-173)
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10:18:03 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142622&oldid=142180 * Ractangle * (+22) /* Syntax */
10:19:30 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142623&oldid=142622 * Ractangle * (-73) /* Interpreter */
10:20:07 <wWwwW> from the discussion i had i came up with an esolang/function that when given 1 returns a quad
10:20:13 <wWwwW> https://esolangs.org/wiki/1quad
10:26:10 <esolangs> [[Zeroflake]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142624 * PlaceReporter99 * (+112) Created page with "{{stub}} Zeroflake is a [[Brainflakes]] derivative that only supports the number 0. [[Category:Joke languages]]"
10:27:02 <esolangs> [[Zeroflake]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142625&oldid=142624 * PlaceReporter99 * (-2)
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10:29:09 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142627&oldid=142278 * PlaceReporter99 * (+56) /* Brainfuck derivatives */
10:29:41 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142628&oldid=142627 * PlaceReporter99 * (+0) /* Brainfuck derivatives */
10:30:37 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142629&oldid=142626 * Yayimhere * (+29) /* computational class */
10:40:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[NRP]] to [[Inspect.getmembers(object)]]
10:40:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[Talk:NRP]] to [[Talk:Inspect.getmembers(object)]]
10:40:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:Inspect.getmembers(object)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142634&oldid=142632 * Ractangle * (-973) Blanked the page
10:41:47 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142635&oldid=142471 * Yayimhere * (+12) /* esolangs */
10:42:45 <esolangs> [[1quad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142636&oldid=142601 * Yayimhere * (+121) /* semantics */
10:43:16 <esolangs> [[Inspect.getmembers(object)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142637&oldid=142630 * Ractangle * (-876)
10:44:35 <esolangs> [[Inspect.getmembers(object)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142638&oldid=142637 * Ractangle * (-30)
10:44:58 <esolangs> [[User:Iddi01]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142639&oldid=142322 * Iddi01 * (+139) Removed redirect and added [[Execode]] info
10:48:17 <esolangs> [[Inspect.getmembers(object)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142640&oldid=142638 * Ractangle * (+17)
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11:00:37 <esolangs> [[User:Iddi01/Execode proposal]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142641 * Iddi01 * (+1266) Left here in case
11:07:57 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142642&oldid=142629 * Ractangle * (+1) /* computational class */
11:17:44 <esolangs> [[User:Iddi01]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142643&oldid=142639 * Ractangle * (-1) Changed redirect target from [[Semi-serius language list]] to [[Semi-serious language list]]
11:21:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:Main Page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142644&oldid=140900 * Ractangle * (+195) /* Someone should change the featured language. */
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11:55:04 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142645&oldid=142592 * None1 * (+359) /* I'm now on Funcode (although I can't edit for some reason :/) */
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12:14:38 <esolangs> [[Brainflakes]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142646 * DifferentDance8 * (+23) common euphemism that i can't believe didn't have a redirect before
12:16:31 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (D-G)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142647&oldid=134883 * Iddi01 * (+899) Add [[Execode]]
12:20:53 <HackEso> 1/1:956) <zzo38> Papal infallibility means that the pope is allowed to be infallible by himself if he wants to, without requiring a council. \ 1122) <boily> topologically speaking, dogs and cats are the same animals.
12:21:17 <int-e> no fungot... I forgot whether it's still in limbo or needs a nudge
13:00:45 <b_jonas> fizzie: the logs website is doing the usual thing
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13:39:42 <fizzie> Hrm. Well, I attached gdb to it (for once), but it doesn't help a whole lot. There's no code I've written in the stack trace of any thread, except the main thread, which is in a poll call of its event loop.
13:39:53 <fizzie> The remaining threads are: 2x "civetweb-master" in poll and pthread_cond_wait, respectively; 2x "civetweb-worker" both in pthread_cond_wait; and 2x "civetweb-wsock" both in handle_request > read_websocket > poll.
13:40:13 <fizzie> I wonder if it's normal that there's two "master" threads.
13:41:23 <fizzie> I guess probably it is, because that's also the case immediately after restarting.
13:41:57 <fizzie> (So it works now, because I've restarted it.)
13:42:45 <fizzie> Should probably build with debug info so that I'd get line numbers, and then try to see what has gotten it stuck. But it does sound like it's _something_ to do with civetweb and its websocket stuff.
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13:43:32 <fungot> fizzie: i don't know anything of its state isn't available anymore?
13:46:29 <fizzie> One of my hard drives has gotten its Current_Pending_Sector (197) and Offline_Uncorrectable (198) SMART counters go up 0 → 16, and now I'm wondering whether I should replace it. It hasn't gotten any worse in a few days, and judging from https://www.backblaze.com/blog/what-smart-stats-indicate-hard-drive-failures/ that doesn't _necessarily_ mean it's about to fail, but it's not a good sign
13:46:31 <fizzie> either, and it's got Head_Flying_Hours = 77171h ≈ 8.8 years, which is a respectable enough age in hard drive years.
13:49:11 <b_jonas> fungot, you're back! there were a few things I wanted to ask you but I forgot what they were…
13:49:11 <fungot> b_jonas: some dynamic allocation would be necessary
13:49:30 <b_jonas> fizzie: probably at least make sure you can replace it when you need to, without losing too much data
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13:51:17 <fizzie> The only thing on it is one half of a mirrored ZFS volume, so in theory that should be covered.
13:51:47 <b_jonas> do you know how to rebuild the mirror?
14:01:29 <fizzie> I've done it once, so technically yes. As I recall, it's just a matter of shutting down, replacing the drive, booting up (which will make ZFS start the pool in "degraded" mode) and doing a `zpool replace`.
14:02:34 <fizzie> Since it hasn't actually failed yet, I guess I could also add the new drive as a third mirror before removing the old one.
14:02:58 <fizzie> If there's room for it physically, anyway.
14:15:07 <int-e> Hmm, I'd wonder how large Reallocated_Sector_Ct is
14:16:30 <int-e> (#5 if those numbers are standardized; probably not a thing on SSDs)
14:16:46 * int-e is looking at a spinning rust drive
14:17:39 <int-e> whose Power_On_Hours counter must have overflowed at some point
14:18:34 <int-e> (or maybe the raw value isn't actually in hours)
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15:41:33 <int-e> err, lol, why even have a Total_LBAs_Read counter if the unit is 512 bytes and the counter is 32 bits (so it overflows every 2TiB read...)
15:42:14 <wWwwW> can i get feedback on this: https://esolangs.org/wiki/1quad
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15:49:30 <korvo> wWwwW: This seems like a very obscurantist language compared to typical notation for GoL.
15:50:07 <wWwwW> for context it was to solve for lambda(x)
15:50:18 <wWwwW> osmetihng we talked about
15:52:02 <korvo> wWwwW: Another thought is that, like all unary tally languages, you've defined a *sequence* of GoL boards. Does this sequence converge to something or approach some pattern?
15:52:40 <korvo> wWwwW: Functions really are arbitrary in their mapping; lambda(1) says nothing about lambda(0) or lambda(2). So you need some more information to define lambda().
15:52:55 <b_jonas> int-e: isn't there a high part hidden somewhere in another counter?
15:57:46 <wWwwW> i did say some stuff about the function
15:59:29 <wWwwW> but it doesnt matter
16:09:00 <int-e> "fit the binary of P into the rectangle"
16:09:04 <fizzie> int-e: My drive's Total_LBAs_Read (in `smartctl -a`) is 751428667409 which doesn't look 32-bit.
16:09:36 <int-e> wtf is "the binary of P"?
16:09:55 <fizzie> It also reports the Head_Flying_Hours as "77176h+57m+36.266s" so I assume it's parsing the number right, and 9-ish years sounds about right.
16:10:11 <fizzie> Reallocated_Sector_Ct is 0 on this drive.
16:10:29 <fizzie> (And yeah, this is spinning rust as well.)
16:11:12 <fizzie> Oh, right, Power_On_Hours -- that's just a number, 77329, which is more or less in line with the other value.
16:12:06 <int-e> fizzie: yeah my other block device (an SSD) reports numbers with more than 32 bits
16:12:28 <int-e> smartctl also says that there's a firmware update for the HDD, which may be relevant.
16:13:25 <int-e> anyway I've seen this counter overflow so I'm sure I'm only getting 32 bits with smartctl -x
16:13:49 <b_jonas> `python3 -cprint((751428667409).bit_length())
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16:17:31 <int-e> (there's no way I'm updating that firmware)
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16:20:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Yayimhere * uploaded "[[File:2 pattern.png]]"
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16:21:02 <wWwwW> the result for 2 took so long
16:21:10 <wWwwW> but looks pretty funny
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18:43:06 <esolangs> [[User:RainbowDash/RPS BF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142679&oldid=142678 * RainbowDash * (+6) i swear this formatting hates me
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03:35:40 <zzo38> I had idea making up a key/value database format (although it is intended for read only). A directory contains a 8-bit record length, 16-bit number of records, and that many records.
03:36:28 <zzo38> Each record contains 8-bit key length, key data, one byte with the high and low nybbles indicating how many bytes are needed to encode the offset of the subdirectory and the value.
03:37:02 <zzo38> A directory is not allowed to contain a key that is a prefix of another key in the directory, and all keys must be in order. If a prefix of the key that you want is found, you will look in the subdirectory for the rest of the key.
03:37:30 <zzo38> Do you like this? Do you have comment/complaints about this?
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04:07:32 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142708&oldid=142706 * PkmnQ * (+7) -_-
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05:58:17 <esolangs> [[User:Iddi01]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142728&oldid=142643 * Iddi01 * (+17) Alright, i'll remove it entirely
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06:55:11 <esolangs> [[PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142737&oldid=142730 * DifferentDance8 * (-140) Mainspace pages that act as redirects to user pages have been deleted on this wiki before, not sure why this one should be an exception
07:11:47 <esolangs> [[Execode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142738&oldid=142615 * Iddi01 * (+2397) Add techniques
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07:15:53 <esolangs> [[User:Iddi01/Execode proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142740&oldid=142641 * Iddi01 * (+90) Changed this to match revised documentation
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10:57:41 <fizzie> On the topic of the repo web browser, from what I can tell from the logs, it automatically shut itself down after being idle for 30 minutes (somewhat surprising: there's usually some traffic from bots), and there's something wrong with the systemd socket activation, possibly to do with paths (it mentions about updating a "legacy directory" /var/run/... to /run/...).
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11:40:18 <esolangs> [[Fromage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142744&oldid=142743 * Superkiko * (-1) /* Cat program! */
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11:50:11 <wib_jonas> on the plus side, https://hack.esolangs.org/repo is working now. however, https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/ and https://hack.esolangs.org/get/ still don't work, and the chat log display just died.
11:53:39 <fizzie> You win some, you lose some.
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11:54:49 <fizzie> The /tmp paths do work for files: https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/pd.c for example.
11:55:16 <fizzie> I don't remember if it used to do a directory listing for plain /tmp/ or not.
11:56:13 <fizzie> (The /get and /edit thing I know was borked by the upgrade.)
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11:59:05 <fizzie> As for logs, disabled the stalker mode websocket again, so it'll probably stay up now, but eventually I should get to the bottom of that.
12:02:02 <esolangs> [[Brain-Flk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142749&oldid=142745 * None1 * (+0) for some reason pypinyin detects to have both 1st tone and 4th tone pronounciation
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12:22:43 <wib_jonas> ok. tmp working is good, because that means I can download medium amounts of data without having to write it to version control. `fetch was working the last time I tested, but that was over two months ago.
12:30:39 <wib_jonas> that was back when I tested how I could compile a native code executable elsewhere and run it on HackEso. I was successful using C and C++, but there seems to be no easy way with rust code, since that's dependent on a large standard library that's not installed on HackEso.
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14:27:21 <ais523> I hate that `mkdir` doesn't tab-complete the name of the directory you're creating
14:27:28 <ais523> (I understand why it can't, but it's still annoying)
14:28:46 <fizzie> I'm sure you could fix that with an LLM integration in `/etc/bash_completion.d`.
14:29:56 <ais523> wib_jonas: doesn't that do the opposite of what I want?
14:30:28 <ais523> fizzie's suggestion is a bit more sensible, although I imagine the LLM would take longer to run than it'd take me to just type the new directory's name (and it'd be unlikely to guess what I was thinking in any case)
14:31:05 <ais523> oh! that reminds me: does anyone have ideas on the most efficient way to write to a file backwards (assuming you know the length of the file you're creating)?
14:31:48 <ais523> my current plan involves mmap
14:32:24 <ais523> although, there doesn't seem to be an madvise option for "I am going to write to this memory in reverse order"
14:34:15 <wib_jonas> ais523: I don't think so. bash has this programmable completion feature wherein some startup scripts try to teach bash what kind of argument every possible command expects, and tab-expand only those arguments. In my experience with debian, this is basically always either worse than or equal to the old default non-programmable completion, where bash
14:34:15 <wib_jonas> knows only of its syntax, and is willing to tab-expand a filename almost everywhere. That's why I recommend { shopt -u progcomp; } to disable all the programmable nonsense.
14:34:52 <ais523> oh, I find the programmable completion useful, there are definitely cases where it's usefully completed things for me that nonprogrammable completion couldn't
14:35:06 <wib_jonas> If you disable progcomp then bash will try to tab-complete the argument of mkdir to existing filenames in that directory, and you may want one of those and then edit it before you create it
14:35:20 <ais523> the tab-completion for scp is a little weird in concept, and can take a couple of seconds, but nonetheless still useful
14:35:52 <ais523> completing subcommand names for things like git is more useful
14:36:28 <ais523> generally, though, I don't create directories with names similar to their siblings
14:36:57 <wib_jonas> I see. Though even if there were a few cases where I found it useful, I'd probably disable all the lots of progcomp scripts that debian prefers to load, and load only the few that I need, because I still find that they hurt tab completion too often.
14:37:27 <wib_jonas> Hmm, what do you want it to tab complete to? Names of cousins?
14:37:31 <ais523> occasionally something unexpectedly doesn't tab-complete and that warns me that I made a syntax error earlier on the line
14:37:57 <ais523> cousins would be more useful for the way that I make directories, although wouldn't have helped in this case
14:38:33 <ais523> given that I'd spent quite a while trying to figure out the perfect name for the directory, as I hadn't created one like it before, at least not with a name I was happy with
14:39:00 <wib_jonas> Though recently I have seen one case where bash tab completion decided to not complete to filenames even though I wanted a filename: it's on a line after I write c=( to set an array variable
14:40:53 <ais523> wow, I'm so out of practice at C I accidentally wrote «#include <stdin.h>»
14:43:08 <wib_jonas> yeah, sometimes I do that kind of thing when I switch between languages.
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15:02:29 <ais523> huh, there's a dprintf command
15:02:45 <ais523> (like fprintf but for file descriptors)
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17:50:03 <fizzie> Huh, hadn't realized they'd adopted two more levels of SI prefixes, for 10^±27 (ronna, ronto) and 10^±30 (quetta, quecto).
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17:56:40 <b_jonas> they did, yes. not many people are using them, but you can expect a decade or more of lag in that.
17:57:04 <b_jonas> and yes, one of them is called ronna
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18:13:11 <b_jonas> now we just need a prefix for the multiplier 1 that you can use for clarification or emphasis where the audience might assume a different prefix; then perhaps a good way to apply decimal prefixes before units where the first factor is on a nontrivial power, like m³, and perhaps a suffix unit that means 1 to mark dimensionless quantities with for emphasis.
18:13:21 <fizzie> https://www.bipm.org/en/cgpm-2022/resolution-3 "considering -- the needs of data science in the near future to express quantities of digital information using orders of magnitude in excess of 10^24 --"
18:14:52 * FireFly . o O ( do that make them robibytes and quebibytes? )
18:17:53 <b_jonas> even Google won't have that much hard disk capacity
18:19:07 <int-e> you get some extra orders of magnitude if you look at data transfers
18:21:17 <b_jonas> let's hope it'll prevent at least one pop-sci article from writing numbers in an unreadable way like "2400000000000000000000000000" (no separators) or "0.9999999999999999999999974"
18:28:43 <zzo38> There are also some older prefixes such as "myria-", which perhaps should be used for AM radio although it is uncommon (some older radios will use myriahertz but are rarely called that).
18:29:13 <zzo38> Hectograms and decimetres can be used when measuring the mass and size of pokemon using integers.
18:34:40 <zzo38> It is also my opinion that although SI prefixes can be used with SI units, such a combination should not be abbreviated in the usual way of abbreviating SI prefixes and the normal abbreviation for the unit. Some such combinations have their own abbreviation (e.g. a milliinch is often called "mil" or "thou"), but otherwise they should not be abbreviated at all (don't use such units if you require abbreviation).
18:36:16 <zzo38> Simimlarly, "micron" should not be abbreviated by the mu by itself but instead by mu and m, since it is the same as the micrometre.
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20:46:32 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]]": Deleted together with the associated page with reason: users other than Tommyaweosme keep vandalising this page, deleting with Tommyaweosme's permission
21:12:55 <ais523> <b_jonas> now we just need a prefix for the multiplier 1 that you can use for clarification or emphasis where the audience might assume a different prefix ← is that inspired by the whole calorie/kilocalorie thing?
21:16:27 <ais523> zzo38: in electronics it is common for things that are evenly spaced to be spaced at a distance of 2.54mm – I have never had an actual good name for that, but generally think of it as a "deci-inch"
21:16:53 <ais523> although, I imagine it isn't used as much nowadays as it used to be because it is rare to assemble circuit boards by hand nowadays
21:19:20 <ais523> ("deci-inch" seems to need the hyphen; I guess "deciïnch" might work)
21:23:34 <b_jonas> ais523: no, not by the calorie thing
21:24:30 <ais523> (does the calorie thing affect Hungary too? or is it just the UK?)
21:26:35 <b_jonas> I don't think it's just the UK.
21:28:21 <zzo38> Yes, I think "deciinch" or "deci-inch" is a reasonable name for 2.54mm (I think the hyphen is not really necessary)
21:28:53 <ais523> Chinese has the word 个 which acts in many ways like a unit for dimensionless things
21:29:28 <ais523> e.g. 一个人 means "one person", the unit is mandatory (if you wrote 一人 it would mean "the first person")
21:30:27 <ais523> but it can't be used for quite everything that would otherwise be lacking units, there are specific alternative words that you need to use in some cases (that I don't know because I know only a very minimal amount of Chinese)
21:31:30 <ais523> (also the 个 spelling seems to be specific to Simplified Chinese, there is a more complicated version in Traditional Chinese)
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21:56:23 <b_jonas> ais523: to be honest I found it kind of surprising when I learned many years ago that esperanto numeral words don't use a shared prefix when they're used as cardinal qualifiers in noun phrases, they just end in random letters. like, why are numerals treated specially rather than like words in normal word classes (adjective or noun or adverb depending on how you're using it) with possibly some
21:56:29 <b_jonas> specialized suffixes that applied only to them?
21:57:24 <b_jonas> apparently if you add an -a (which is normally the adjective suffix) then they count as ordinal numerals
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02:23:06 <zzo38> Can there be OID for Pokemon? e.g. it can be ".0.(pokedex number).(battle-independent form).(battle-meaningless form).(battle-dependent form)", ".1.(type)", ".2.(move)", ".3.(item classifications).(items)", etc.
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08:31:12 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142797&oldid=142796 * None1 * (-35)
09:45:49 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142798&oldid=142663 * Shriansh * (+21) /* New Commands */
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09:55:27 <iddi01> !ztest +>++>-->+>-(>)*5((-)*128[-].++>(-)*128[-].-->)*11
09:58:00 <iddi01> Have i done wrong? (http://zem.fi/bfjoust/)
09:58:28 <HackEso> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
09:59:02 <iddi01> !ztest test1 +>++>-->+>-(>)*5((-)*128[-].++>(-)*128[-].-->)*11
09:59:04 <int-e> it's old information
09:59:38 <int-e> the bot in question is no longer around
10:00:36 <iddi01> Then how do i submit a BF joust program without using the web form?
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10:31:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Main Page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142799&oldid=142795 * None1 * (+391) /* Someone should change the featured language. */
10:38:36 <wib_jonas> a lot of the interpreters from EgoBot got transferred to HackEgo then HackEso where you can use them with the \! command, but bfjoust would require a recent hill so I assume it wouldn't work
10:38:45 <wib_jonas> `! ztest +>++>-->+>-(>)*5((-)*128[-].++>(-)*128[-].-->)*11
10:38:47 <HackEso> /hackenv/bin/!: line 4: /hackenv/ibin/ztest: No such file or directory
10:38:54 <wib_jonas> `! bfjoust +>++>-->+>-(>)*5((-)*128[-].++>(-)*128[-].-->)*11
10:38:56 <HackEso> /hackenv/bin/!: line 4: /hackenv/ibin/bfjoust: No such file or directory
10:39:57 <HackEso> 1l \ 2l \ 7 \ adjust \ asm \ asmbf \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ brachylog \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ help \ java \ k \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ lua \ malbolge \ pbrain \ perl \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ slashes \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda \ whirl
10:40:13 <int-e> wib_jonas: it was actually zemhill which isn't listed in `prefixes`
10:41:03 <wib_jonas> int-e: what's the relationship of that to EgoBot?
10:41:50 <wib_jonas> ``` : "I'm asking because there's some bfjoust thing on HackEso: "; /bin/ls -aF /hackenv/interps/bfjoust
10:41:51 <HackEso> ./ \ ../ \ Makefile \ bfjoust* \ bfjoust.pl* \ buffer.h \ egojoust.c \ gearlance* \ gearlance.c \ gearlance.o \ helpers.h \ programs/ \ report* \ report.c \ report.o
10:41:54 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142800&oldid=142798 * Shriansh * (+590)
10:42:16 <int-e> wib_jonas: I guess it just took the then unused prefix
10:43:07 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142801&oldid=142800 * Shriansh * (+52) /* New Commands */
10:44:13 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142802&oldid=142801 * Shriansh * (+79) /* t */
10:45:08 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142803&oldid=142802 * Shriansh * (+55) /* Examples */
10:46:02 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142804&oldid=142803 * Shriansh * (+21) /* Language overview */
10:46:25 <wib_jonas> so there used to be a bfjoust on EgoBot, then zemhill took the same functionality?
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10:48:36 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142807&oldid=142806 * Shriansh * (+2) /* to write a formula for i */
10:49:05 <iddi01> according to the wiki, yes
10:49:43 <int-e> wib_jonas: apparently... https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2009-05-20.html#lIo
10:52:02 <int-e> vs. https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2014-09-18.html#lkg
10:52:10 <int-e> (renamed to zemhill one day later)
10:52:10 <wib_jonas> ``` hg log --removed -T '{join(files,"\n")}\n' -r 996 | grep -Ei '^interps/(z|.*joust)'
10:52:12 <HackEso> interps/bfjoust/Makefile \ interps/bfjoust/bfjoust \ interps/bfjoust/bfjoust.pl \ interps/bfjoust/buffer.h \ interps/bfjoust/egojoust.c \ interps/bfjoust/gearlance \ interps/bfjoust/gearlance.c \ interps/bfjoust/gearlance.o \ interps/bfjoust/helpers.h \ interps/bfjoust/programs/attack1.bfjoust \ interps/bfjoust/programs/defend1.bfjoust \ interps/bfjoust/programs/fool1.bfjoust \ interps/bfjoust/report \ interps/bfjoust/report.c \ interps/bfjoust/report.o
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10:53:01 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142809&oldid=117718 * Iddi01 * (+833) I don't get how [[BF Joust]] got abandoned at all
10:53:57 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142810&oldid=142808 * None1 * (+23)
10:53:58 <int-e> https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2020-02-23.html#lyc
10:54:17 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142811&oldid=142807 * Shriansh * (+11) /* s */
10:55:00 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142812&oldid=142811 * Shriansh * (+25) /* s */
10:55:17 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142813&oldid=142812 * Shriansh * (+9) /* s */
10:57:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142814&oldid=142809 * None1 * (+333) /* About BF Joust */
11:04:23 <fizzie> Nobody was doing any BF Joust so I didn't fix the bot when it broke, as all software eventually does.
11:05:21 <fizzie> Also the web page still says "#esoteric (on freenode)". :/
11:06:06 <iddi01> Well, i'm interested in bringing BF Joust back to life, since it's very interesting...
11:14:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142815&oldid=142814 * Iddi01 * (+276) /* About BF Joust */
11:14:57 <fizzie> I have a vague recollection that at some point I was idly working on a from-scratch rewrite of the IRC (and git repo) interfacing parts, maybe with the intention of re-homing/re-branding the whole thing under esolangs.org rather than zem.fi, but then... stopped.
11:15:38 <fizzie> Re-starting the current iteration would probably be much less of an effort.
11:17:35 <fizzie> IIRC, the main difficulty with it was basically that the parts outside the actual BF Joust interpreter are written in Ruby, using a linear algebra library ("gem") called "nmatrix" (or something along those lines) for computing some of the quirkier scoring, and building it used to make the dinky VPS it's running on run out of memory.
11:20:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142816&oldid=142815 * None1 * (+293) /* About BF Joust */
11:21:05 <wib_jonas> what the heck kind of crazy scoring system are you running that made the host run out of memory?
11:21:25 <fizzie> Not the *scoring*, building the linear algebra library as part of installing the gem.
11:21:37 <wib_jonas> ah, compiling. that makes more sense.
11:21:44 <fizzie> It's one of those C++ things, as I recall.
11:22:12 <fizzie> I worked around it with using distcc to compile it on a real computer while still running the Ruby gem install process on the target host.
11:22:28 <fizzie> I imagine there's also some way of just transporting the precompiled thing, but I don't really know Ruby tooling.
11:34:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142817&oldid=142816 * Fizzie * (+960) /* About BF Joust */ Current zem.fi status.
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12:52:15 <wib_jonas> oh, that reminds me. python 2.13.0 is officially released, I should download and install one
12:53:45 <JAA> Python 2 revival? :o
12:56:37 <wib_jonas> no, it's python 3.13.0. I'm getting confused with the version numbers and the architecture names.
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14:14:10 <fizzie> Oh, found the code for the incomplete BF Joust hill migration from zem.fi to esolangs.org. It was in a Git branch in the regular 'esolangs' repo.
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14:14:25 <fizzie> Looks like the idea was for the 'esolangs' bot to take care of the IRC side of things.
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14:15:13 <wib_jonas> isn't an irc line too short for some bfjoust candidate programs too?
14:15:47 <wib_jonas> I guess that's why there's a web form too, and the irc interface did get some use
14:16:30 <fizzie> The IRC interface also allowed you to put in an (HTTP) URL.
14:17:45 <fizzie> It would then read up to 2*1024*1024 bytes from that URL.
14:19:48 <fizzie> The incomplete rewrite was to be written in C++ (because that's what other esolangs.org custom infra is), and to use libgit2 to deal with the hill repository, instead of calling the git binary (the way the zem.fi hill did).
14:27:32 <wib_jonas> C++ makes sense because it's easy to either compile inside HackEso or cross-compile
14:28:09 <wib_jonas> uh, I mean compile outside and upload, technically not necessarily cross-compile
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14:34:33 <fizzie> It also seems to have substituted Eigen (the C++ linear algebra template library) for the math stuff.
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02:35:31 <korvo> Finally got around to buying domains. The Busy Beaver Gauge is now at https://bbgauge.info/
03:08:18 <esolangs> [[Disord]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142898&oldid=142794 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-1) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/142794|142794]] by [[Special:Contributions/Iddi01|Iddi01]] ([[User talk:Iddi01|talk]]): see fizzie's comment at [[Talk:Macron]]
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