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01:45:48 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137529&oldid=137528 * None1 * (+338) /* Copyright violation */
01:51:56 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuckconsole74]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137530&oldid=137243 * Tommyaweosme * (+3382)
01:52:49 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137531&oldid=137529 * Tommyaweosme * (+205) /* Copyright violation */
01:54:46 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137532&oldid=136991 * Tommyaweosme * (+218)
01:56:51 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137533&oldid=137532 * Tommyaweosme * (-244)
02:02:23 <esolangs> [[Kcidea]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137534 * Tommyaweosme * (+470) Created page with "{{lowercase}}kcidea is a language that makes you feel immense pain like you are on fire when you use it. it is comparable to the active denial system. == commands == the only people stupid enough to use this have provided documentation for ''some'' of these commands:
02:03:05 <esolangs> [[Kcidea]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137535&oldid=137534 * Tommyaweosme * (+52)
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02:54:46 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137536&oldid=137332 * None1 * (+109) /* Why is it brain-exploding */
03:10:27 <esolangs> [[... Bottles of beer on the wall]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137537 * None1 * (+29731) Created page with "... Bottles of beer on the wall is an even more brain-exploding [[brainfuck]] derivative by [[User:None1]]. It is like [[Bottles of beer on the wall]]. But instead of numbers, you use dots! ==Examples== ===One time [[Cat Program]]=== <pre> ......
03:10:42 <esolangs> [[... Bottles of beer on the wall]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137538&oldid=137537 * None1 * (-1) /* Cat program] */
03:11:47 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137539&oldid=137286 * None1 * (+38) /* Non-alphabetic */
03:12:03 <esolangs> [[... Bottles of beer on the wall]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137540&oldid=137538 * None1 * (+6)
03:12:52 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137541&oldid=137272 * None1 * (+120) /* My Esolangs */
03:14:16 <esolangs> [[Dead fish +- +.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137542&oldid=137274 * None1 * (+45)
03:17:59 <esolangs> [[PlusOrOutput]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137543&oldid=118648 * None1 * (+1) /* Hello World */
03:20:45 <esolangs> [[PlusOrOutput]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137544&oldid=137543 * None1 * (+1013) /* Interpreter for PlusOrOutput only (in Python) */ Add interpreters in JS
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03:29:01 <zzo38> Which file format can be used if I want a key/value database which is mostly reading and not writing, and the key and value are both sequences of bytes, and that if you find a specific record then you can easily find all records that have the same key as a prefix (and that you can also do so even if there is no such record for the requested key)?
03:39:44 <ais523> zzo38: the last property you talk about sounds like a B+ tree; I know there are database formats based on those
03:40:37 <ais523> if write performance is completely unimportant you could use a list of key/value pairs sorted by the key, and use binary search to find entries
03:42:06 <ais523> if you're looking for more of a standard file format, SQLite should work, storing one table with an index on the key
03:43:09 <esolangs> [[Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137545&oldid=127630 * None1 * (+39) /* Introduction */ PIO and POO are now supported
03:46:45 <esolangs> [[PlusOrOutput]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137546&oldid=137544 * None1 * (+4570) /* Interpreters for both languages in JavaScript */
03:55:00 <esolangs> [[Talk:Translated Shakespeare]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137547 * None1 * (+264) Created page with "You can translate using the wrong language to get wierd translations. --~~~~"
03:56:40 <esolangs> [[User talk:Page crapper from explain xkcd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137548&oldid=137515 * None1 * (+215)
04:01:24 <esolangs> [[NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine with an iterating quine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137549 * None1 * (+594) Created page with "'''NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine with an iterating quine''' is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]]. It is [[NameErro
04:03:56 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137550&oldid=137260 * None1 * (+443) /* Error simulators */
04:07:23 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137551&oldid=137541 * None1 * (+854) /* My Esolangs */
04:08:17 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137552&oldid=137551 * None1 * (+30)
04:09:05 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137553&oldid=137552 * None1 * (+36) /* My Esolangs */
04:09:11 <esolangs> [[C@++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137554&oldid=133820 * BoundedBeans * (+861) Made the language much more powerful/expressive with new commands
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04:13:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137555&oldid=134527 * None1 * (+313) /* + interpreter using Nope. */
04:15:48 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137556&oldid=137555 * None1 * (+121) /* + interpreter using Nope. */
04:17:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:C@]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137557&oldid=109970 * None1 * (+275)
04:17:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:C@]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137558&oldid=137557 * None1 * (+12)
04:18:18 <esolangs> [[C@++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137559&oldid=137554 * BoundedBeans * (+353) Added some examples
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04:22:25 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137561&oldid=137539 * BoundedBeans * (+25)
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04:41:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137563&oldid=137506 * None1 * (+340)
04:45:51 <zzo38> Write performance is not completely unimportant, but read performance is more important. I would also expect that when writes occur, several records will be written at once rather than one at a time (although one at a time is also possible, but less likely).
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04:58:34 <b_jonas> zzo38: if write preformance is *completely* unimportant then you should sort the whole table after each write and do some kind of binary search among sorted records for reading. but a writable B-tree isn't really much worse than that.
04:59:28 <b_jonas> and I think sqlite3 might work decently for what you want
05:01:00 <zzo38> I had considered the SQLite4 format, which is a real key/value database unlike SQLite3.
05:01:17 <b_jonas> well... it's not perfect, if you can have multiples of the key then it might not be the best format, or you need some kind of trick for it where you append a unique identifier column and make the two columns together the primary key, so that you can have just one table WITHOUT ROWID table, rather than a table and a separate index
05:02:32 <b_jonas> if not then you have to put them in one single column where you artificially append something to your key to make it unique
05:03:58 <b_jonas> mind you, the separate index mostly just makes the write performance worse if you make that index contain all columns
05:04:08 <b_jonas> so even a normal table can work
05:05:25 <b_jonas> yeah, I guess just use a normal table with an index covering both the key and value columns, and don't make the key primary or unique since you want to allow it to repeat
05:07:57 <b_jonas> if you want to find all records with a prefix then write a comparison like WHERE key BETWEEN ?1 AND ?2 but you bind ?2 to the same as ?1 incremented by 1 when interpreted as a big-endian number
05:08:24 <b_jonas> so it's as if WHERE key BETWEEN 'one' AND 'onf'
05:08:36 <b_jonas> only you probably use blobs instead of strings
05:10:43 <zzo38> Yes, that would do, although SQL is more than is needed, I think, especially if it is merely a key/value database. I do understand what you mean and had thought of that too but it seems much more complicated than it should be.
05:11:13 <b_jonas> it certainly is, but you don't need to use all the features
05:12:07 <b_jonas> also make sure to read https://sqlite.org/howtocompile.html
05:12:50 <b_jonas> there's a lot of optional features that you usually needn't compile into sqlite3 if you aren't like making debian with a thousand packages depending on sqlite3, and they now have good documentation describing these compile-time settings
05:15:14 <b_jonas> (you've probably read it already, but the documentation is kind of new so I want to mention it)
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05:38:41 <esolangs> [[lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137564&oldid=132867 * PrySigneToFry * (+73) Fixed [[wenyan]] interpreter
05:39:58 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137565&oldid=136954 * PrySigneToFry * (+35)
05:44:11 <esolangs> [[Translated Die Deutsche Programmiersprache]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137566 * None1 * (+2563) Created page with "There have been lots of horribly translations of esolangs in English and Chinese, this time let's translate one that isn't. '''Translated Die Deutsche Programmiersprache''' is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]]. It is [[Die Deutsche
05:45:06 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137567&oldid=137550 * None1 * (+118) /* Horribly translated variants */
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05:46:53 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137568&oldid=137553 * None1 * (+88) /* My Esolangs */
06:00:57 <esolangs> [[Foo : The term 'foo' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program. Check the spelling of the name, or if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try again.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137569&oldid=131324 * None1 * (+33) /* See also */
06:01:52 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137570&oldid=133843 * Yayimhere * (-2222) /* Triangular CPU */
06:02:18 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137571&oldid=137570 * Yayimhere * (-226) /* idea 2 */
06:04:12 <esolangs> [[Is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program. Check the spelling of the name, or if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try again.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137572&oldid=131489 * None1 * (-14) /* Examples */ no spaces
06:13:08 <esolangs> [[Wow owo]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137573 * Yayimhere * (+3332) Created page with "{{lowercase}} '''wow owo''' is a [[Cellular automaton]] created by [[User:Yayimhere]] while bored == cell types and interactions == cell types: * <code>#</code> copies itself in every direction(no diags). if 3 come in a horizontal cluster walls form around them(<code
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06:36:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137575&oldid=137563 * Ractangle * (+99)
06:37:58 <esolangs> [[Undelta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137576&oldid=137512 * Ractangle * (+4) /* Syntax */
06:39:06 <esolangs> [[Markov algorithm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137577&oldid=137523 * Unname4798 * (+112)
06:40:03 <esolangs> [[Markov algorithm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137578&oldid=137577 * Unname4798 * (+12)
06:41:48 <esolangs> [[Undelta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137579&oldid=137576 * Ractangle * (+0)
06:42:03 <esolangs> [[Undelta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137580&oldid=137579 * Ractangle * (+0)
06:44:44 <esolangs> [[Undelta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137581&oldid=137580 * Ractangle * (+21)
06:44:54 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137582 * PrySigneToFry * (+3069) Created page with " is an Esolang designed by PSTF which inspired from [[Bottles of beer on the wall]]. == Exmaples == === 1-time Cat Program === <pre> ..."
06:45:34 <esolangs> [[Undelta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137583&oldid=137581 * Ractangle * (+1)
06:45:37 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137584&oldid=137582 * PrySigneToFry * (+64)
06:45:55 <esolangs> [[Undelta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137585&oldid=137583 * Ractangle * (-22)
06:46:10 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137586&oldid=137561 * PrySigneToFry * (+28)
06:46:39 <esolangs> [[Talk:Undelta]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137587 * Yayimhere * (+126) Created page with "so would <code>`1</code> push one? --~~~~"
06:48:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137588&oldid=134864 * PrySigneToFry * (+473) /* English */ new section
06:48:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137589&oldid=137588 * PrySigneToFry * (+5) TM
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06:52:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137590&oldid=137044 * PrySigneToFry * (+641) /* I might ! need an English page for . */ new section
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06:59:37 <esolangs> [[U (PrySigneToFry)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137593&oldid=137422 * PrySigneToFry * (+130)
07:00:33 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137594&oldid=137586 * PrySigneToFry * (+8)
07:03:16 <esolangs> [[U (PrySigneToFry)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137595&oldid=137593 * PrySigneToFry * (+82)
07:03:51 <esolangs> [[U (PrySigneToFry)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137596&oldid=137595 * PrySigneToFry * (+20)
07:04:06 <esolangs> [[U (PrySigneToFry)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137597&oldid=137596 * PrySigneToFry * (-2)
07:10:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Undelta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137598&oldid=137587 * Yayimhere * (+129)
07:11:26 <esolangs> [[I am sure this is the shortest code for 99 bottles of beer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137599&oldid=115858 * PrySigneToFry * (-31036)
07:12:38 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137600 * Yayimhere * (+21) Redirected page to [[Undelta]]
07:23:21 <wWwwW> today somebody had already written a truth machine in word worm. damn
07:25:05 <esolangs> [[User:Cycwin]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137601 * Cycwin * (+952) Sdac2
07:28:23 <esolangs> [[Sdac2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137602 * Cycwin * (+952) Sdac2
07:32:54 <esolangs> [[User:Cycwin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137603&oldid=137601 * Cycwin * (-770)
07:33:55 <esolangs> [[Sdac2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137604&oldid=137602 * Cycwin * (+7)
07:55:25 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137605 * Yayimhere * (+813) Created page with "'''0x80070050''' or '''sorry this file exists'''(which is what this error code is for...for the file existing) is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] inspired by [[An Odd Rewriting System]]. it really just annoys you == memory == there are 3 memory things: * <co
07:56:11 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137606&oldid=137605 * Yayimhere * (+23)
08:00:23 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137607&oldid=137606 * Yayimhere * (+91)
08:03:04 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137608&oldid=137607 * Yayimhere * (+100)
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08:10:16 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137610&oldid=137574 * Yayimhere * (+17)
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08:24:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:An Odd Rewriting System]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137611&oldid=109641 * Yayimhere * (+142) /* contradiction in computational class proof? */
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09:11:54 <esolangs> [[Talk:An Odd Rewriting System]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137612&oldid=137611 * Yayimhere * (+92) /* what was the limitation */
09:12:40 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137613&oldid=137609 * Yayimhere * (+77)
09:19:02 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137614&oldid=137613 * Yayimhere * (+51) /* syntax */
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09:39:25 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Ractangle/rt]] to [[User:Linxium]]
09:39:34 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Linxium]] to [[Linxium]]
09:39:51 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[Linxium]] to [[LX]]
09:41:37 <esolangs> [[LX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137622&oldid=137620 * Unname4798 * (+6) categories
09:42:01 <esolangs> [[LX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137623&oldid=137622 * Unname4798 * (-28)
09:43:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Unname4798 * moved [[LX]] to [[Rt]]
09:43:52 <esolangs> [[Rt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137626&oldid=137624 * Unname4798 * (+14) lowercase
09:58:26 <esolangs> [[Rt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137627&oldid=137626 * Ractangle * (+173)
09:58:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move_redir * Ractangle * moved [[Rt]] to [[LX]] over redirect
09:58:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete_redir * Ractangle * Ractangle deleted redirect [[LX]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[Rt]]"
09:59:29 <esolangs> [[LX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137630&oldid=137628 * Ractangle * (-35) /* Hello, world! */
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10:29:56 <esolangs> [[LX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137631&oldid=137630 * Ractangle * (+195)
10:54:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:An Odd Rewriting System]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137632&oldid=137612 * Ais523 * (+448) /* what was the limitation */ it's hard to explain simply, which is why I made an esolang to demonstrate it
11:22:25 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137633&oldid=137215 * Ractangle * (+9) /* Esolangs */
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15:03:14 <b_jonas> do chemists use methanol for household cleaning, like cleaning the outsides of their mobile phones and rubik's cubes, or do they use it only for cleaning in their laboratory?
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15:48:59 <wWwwW> what do you think of this esolang? and also. what could the possible computational class be?:
15:49:00 <wWwwW> https://esolangs.org/wiki/0x80070050
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15:52:21 <ais523> wWwwW: it's TC, it can implement Thue almost directly (the evaluation order is a little different but that doesn't matter); you just need to design the strings so that the replacements can never match in reverse
15:54:25 <ais523> also it isn't IO-complete because it can't output anything that's smaller than the entire internal state, but IO isn't needed for TCness
15:54:59 <wWwwW> since it has no in
15:55:13 <ais523> ah right, isn't output-complete then
15:55:39 <wWwwW> what do you think of the esolang?
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15:57:27 <ais523> it's basically a string-rewriting esolang with awkward syntax – I generally prefer less awkward syntax, but there are merits to doing it both ways round
15:57:49 <ais523> I have been thinking more about the esolang I created yesterday, and realised that it has both an easy-to-write syntax and a very minimal, tarpitty syntax
15:57:53 <ais523> and I think I might just make a page for both of htem
15:58:41 <ais523> no, it's an arithmetic-based esolang
15:58:53 <ais523> based on Blindfolded Arithmetic but I changed one of the rules and it makes TCness much harder to prove
15:58:58 <ais523> I haven't written the page for it yet
15:59:39 <ais523> I think many people think the wiki defines esolangs, but it actually mostly just documents them – esolangs can have an existence outside the wiki, and, e.g., there are plenty of golfing and puzzle languages that aren't written up there yet
16:00:02 <ais523> occasionally I write someone else's language up to get a more comprehensive coverage of esolangs in the wiki, but not very often, and there are plenty of esolangs I don't know about
16:00:24 <wWwwW> most of my esolangs only exists
16:00:31 <wWwwW> cuz the website it does
16:00:37 <ais523> I think I'll write an article now, though
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16:05:36 <wWwwW> without the redifintion rule of sorry this file exists would it be tc?
16:05:50 <wWwwW> cuz idk if i like it lol:)
16:07:50 <ais523> oh wow, that's tricky (assuming you mean that ⟪x∧y⟫ is only legal once per program) – my guess is no but I'm not sure
16:08:16 <wWwwW> i mean that ⟪x∧y⟫ is legal multiple times
16:08:29 <wWwwW> rules are always updated with a and b
16:08:41 <wWwwW> but idk which one i should choose
16:09:14 <wWwwW> i think ill choose your idea tho
16:09:32 <ais523> it's only a small idea, you can credit me if you want to but don't have to
16:09:47 <wWwwW> i like to give credit tho
16:09:52 <ais523> you sort-of created it yourself by mistake, by saying something I interpreted as that
16:10:19 <wWwwW> i wonder if any esolangs has happend kinda like that?
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16:11:50 <wWwwW> no prob with leave
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16:26:48 <esolangs> [[Imprecision]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137673 * Ais523 * (+4428) new language!
16:27:16 <ais523> wWwwW: ^ there's my new language
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16:28:43 <b_jonas> “I think many people think the wiki defines esolangs, but it actually mostly just documents them” => true, I most often document esolangs that already exist on the wiki
16:30:00 <b_jonas> wWwwW: depending on what you mean, maybe: I created https://esolangs.org/wiki/Amycus by mistake
16:30:42 <wWwwW> that was pre''y much what i meant
16:30:59 <b_jonas> in that case I got a more esoteric and less useful language
16:31:23 <b_jonas> but it's still interesting enough that I kept it
16:35:04 <b_jonas> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Imprecision#Computational_class => hmm, that's an interesting argument, I'll have to think of whether that actually works with just the operations that you have
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16:40:55 <ais523> my current tentative plan is "implement a 2-counter Minsky machine that only simulates multiplications and divisions by 2 and 3 (to get predictable behaviour of the counters), quantize the state variables sharply enough that the error term drops rapidly enough to converge if they aren't being perturbed much by reading the counters, ensure error from the counters themselves is no greater than 1 over the square of their value so that converge stoo"
16:41:05 <ais523> but I don't know whether or not that actually works
16:41:35 <wWwwW> that was very confusing. maybe im read to fast
16:41:36 <ais523> and you would need to "reset" the error in the counters as they got near 0, but it's possible to create a quantizer that only works near 0 but doesn't disturb the value of large values very much
16:42:09 <wWwwW> also where does the name come from?
16:42:15 <b_jonas> ais523: so you'd store information like your state and stack as integers, kept in the round to nearest integers parts of your variables. then in each round, you'd compute a number C that is easily an upper bound on the magnitudes of all numbers involved. then you'd write something like y = 1/(x*x*C+1), and now if x is zero then y=1, but if x is nonzero then y is close enough to zero that you can use it
16:42:21 <b_jonas> in control flow by multiplying y with some almost integer and adding it to another almost integer. and you make sure that C is so large that even if you do such conditionals a few times per round (you know how long your program is) the round to nearest values are always the correct exact values that you want to simulate.
16:43:06 <ais523> wWwwW: frrom my thoughts about computational class – it's very unusual to have a language that looks inherently capable of storing exact numbers, but chooses to use approximations instead
16:43:10 <b_jonas> and this could simulate a computation on integers that is similar to something you do in Blindfolded arithmetic
16:43:43 <ais523> b_jonas: right, that's the general principle
16:44:15 <b_jonas> there's the slight problem that this only lets you equal-compare integers, not less-than compare them, but fortunately our constructions to compile to blindfolded arithmetic are such that we can get away with just equal comparisons
16:44:37 <ais523> Minsky machines only use equal-compares anyway
16:44:38 <b_jonas> oh, we will also have to be able to compute integer remainders for the blindfolded arithmetic thing
16:44:51 <b_jonas> integer reminders with some fixed divisors at least
16:45:04 <b_jonas> but I think you can avoid that if you do a somewhat more complicated construction
16:45:12 <ais523> I wasn't going to go via BA, just implement Minsky machines directly
16:45:16 <b_jonas> one that reads the top digit instead of the bottom digit
16:45:23 <wWwwW> that jumps when the register is NON zero
16:45:30 <wWwwW> be turing complete
16:45:31 <b_jonas> ais523: yeah, that would be enough for TC but I don't like it if we can avoid it
16:45:42 <wWwwW> still decrementing
16:45:51 <ais523> wWwwW: it's still Turing-complete, you just have to reorganise the program
16:46:06 <ais523> the original version of Minsky machines was "jumps somewhere if zero, jumps somewhere else if nonzero"
16:46:22 <wWwwW> i didnt know that!
16:46:39 <ais523> and if only one of the cases jumps, you can make yourself an unconditional jump afterwards (either using an unconditional jump instruction, or a conditional jump where you already know the input) in order to make the other case jump too
16:46:55 <b_jonas> ok, this needs more taught. Imprecision turned out to be a more interesting language than I assumed yesterday when you mentioned it
16:47:03 <wWwwW> also isnt this program:
16:47:34 <ais523> sort of – it gets complicated when you have multiple gotos or comefroms aiming at the same line
16:47:51 <ais523> or if the argument to goto/comefrom is a variable or expression rather than a constant
16:47:58 <ais523> but in the simple case it's equivalent
16:48:15 <wWwwW> then why is comefrom worse than goto????
16:48:48 <ais523> because to most programmers, not knowing where the code could be jumped to is less confusing than not knowing where the code could be jumped from
16:48:55 <int-e> because it goes against the flow of the program which we usually follow when reading code
16:49:15 <ais523> goto is also confusing if the goto destinations aren't labelled (e.g. if every line is numbered, like in BASIC)
16:49:33 <ais523> although, in practice, most programmers tend to label both ends of the jump and so it doesn't matter
16:49:35 <int-e> backwards sentence a writing like is it
16:49:44 <wWwwW> wouldnt it be funny if j in malbogle was a comefrom
16:50:09 <ais523> so malbolge uses computed jumps, and the program memory is mixed in with the data memory
16:50:44 <ais523> meaning that if the data you were storing randomly happened to be a comefrom instruction you would end up having to comefrom multiple places as soon as the computation produced the correct value
16:50:59 <ais523> *comefrom the current location to multiple places
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16:51:07 <wWwwW> that would be very annoying
16:51:23 <wWwwW> i will add that to my malbolge derevative
16:51:30 <ais523> the sad thing is that I'm not even sure that this isn't TC (if you use one of the Malbolge generalisations to infinite memory)
16:52:19 <b_jonas> afaiu in some APL-likes, including very early versions of J, the main control flow mechanism to jump between entire statements was a goto (represented by a right arrow) that takes a line number, and jumps there if it's a line number or continues to the next line if it's... an empty array? or zero? there were no structured if/while statements yet. so now I'm imagining the same but with computed come
16:52:25 <b_jonas> froms that are conditional in the same way, they don't come from anywhere if the label is empty or invalid or zero
16:52:41 <ais523> b_jonas: doesn't INTERCAL work like that?
16:52:44 <b_jonas> note that in APL this used actual line counts, not labels, so you'd have to edit the numbers if you renumbered lines
16:52:54 <ais523> 0 isn't a valid line number there, and making COME FROM expressions evaluate to 0 when you don't want to jump is convenient
16:53:25 <ais523> also I thought that "actual line count" was an esolang invention the first time I saw it, and was very impressed at the idea (I have subsequently discovered that I was wrong in ths)
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16:53:42 <ais523> this may be a side effect of BASIC being my first programming language – I think I was about 6 at the time
16:53:56 <b_jonas> ais523: yes, INTERCAL works like that, but wWwwW just reminded me that other languages can have come from as well. which I had considered earlier for languages like C, python, ruby (only non-computed in C) but not yet for APL
16:54:02 <ais523> so I assumed that written line numbers and RENUMBER were just normal in languages that used line numbers
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16:54:24 <ais523> b_jonas: your Python control flow nonsense reminds me of C setjmp, it's pretty similar
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16:54:44 <int-e> hmm what happened to aspect-oriented programming :)
16:54:57 <int-e> (that has some "come from" flavor to it)
16:55:21 <b_jonas> ais523: I think they were normal in APL too, but the line numbers were used in the *editor* that you can use on a printer tty without a CRT, so the line number of a line are stable even if you insert or delete lines until you renumber by saving then reloading the currently edited list of lines
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16:56:29 <int-e> I swear I said that before reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect-oriented_programming#Criticism
16:56:41 <b_jonas> ais523: setjmp differs in that you have to actually run a statement to get a label value there, you can't jump to somewhere that the control flow hasn't visited yet. you can get around this by writing your function as a big switch statement using a state variable, but that's annoying. here I can just put labels anywhere and you can jump to them as soon as you have the stack frame.
16:56:50 <ais523> int-e: I was just about to link you to that
16:57:11 <ais523> b_jonas: C-INTERCAL uses the "big switch" approach to compile COME FROM
16:57:30 <ais523> at least in some of the complex cases; I can't remember whether it optimizes the simple case into a goto
16:57:45 <b_jonas> ais523: note that https://esolangs.org/wiki/W_(Viktor_T._Toth) combines these: it uses the setjmp-like thing where you save the instruction pointer at runtime for backwards jumps, and structured if statements for forwards jumps. (except it also has function calls and even computed function calls)
16:57:53 <ais523> I guess I see "entering a scope" as comparable to "running a command"
16:57:58 <b_jonas> and W does allow you to goto a computed value
16:58:00 <esolangs> [[Huit interpreter]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137677 * TheCanon2 * (+2978) Created the article
16:58:55 <int-e> I did like the Threaded INTERCAL take on coming from the same location multiple times.
16:59:08 <ais523> it is the obvious solution, I think
16:59:20 <ais523> (I didn't invent Threaded INTERCAL, but was the second person to write an interpreter for it)
16:59:26 <ais523> err, compiler, not interpreter
16:59:31 <int-e> Well, yes, but sometimes the obvious thing is also nice. :)
16:59:36 <ais523> although the compilation is somewhat close to the "bundle an interpreter" method of compiling
17:00:50 <int-e> Plus there's the fact that INTERCAL is one of the earliest esolangs. So even obvious things had a good chance of being novel.
17:01:24 <wWwwW> isnt it THE first one?
17:01:25 <ais523> I can't remember when COME FROM was added to INTERCAL
17:01:38 <ais523> both INTERCAL and COME FROM are old, but the idea of combining them is more recent
17:01:44 <wWwwW> it was in the C dialect
17:01:57 <ais523> wWwwW: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_esoteric_programming_languages
17:02:26 <ais523> it was C-INTERCAL I think, but not sure what date
17:02:37 <wWwwW> ais523 they werent made to be esolangs
17:02:59 <ais523> the article I linked mentions that it's hard to define whether a language is an esolang, if it was invented before there was a concept of what a normal programming language looks like
17:03:37 <ais523> BF was almost invented in 1964, though (P′′ is a slightly minimized version of it)
17:03:41 <int-e> Game of Life is a proper esolang.
17:04:34 <int-e> Huh I didn't realize how close the inceptions of GoL and INTERCAL are. But GoL wins.
17:05:20 <int-e> I'm not sure when they proved it TC though?
17:05:39 <ais523> int-e: it took a while I think
17:05:59 <ais523> yes, INTERCAL is obviously TC to someone who understands the subject, and IIRC one of the authors said as much
17:06:02 <wWwwW> and i cant find it online
17:06:05 <int-e> Conway's Game of Life
17:06:13 <ais523> that it naturally ended up TC and they didn't need to do anything to make it TC
17:06:55 <ais523> I have put some thought into game-of-life golf – finding a set of primitives that let you write powerful programs in relatively small area
17:07:20 <int-e> INTERCAL TC... oh right it has stacks.
17:07:27 <ais523> I had an idea of using beams of spaceships and gliders that made gaps in each other, that can be quite compact and might be workable into something TC
17:07:28 <int-e> (The arrays only provide finite memory)
17:07:40 <ais523> int-e: it's actually TC even without variables at all, but I did that one intentionally
17:07:49 <wWwwW> GoL assembly lang??? perhaps?????
17:07:56 <ais523> that was the first time I almost discovered The Waterfall Model, oddly enough
17:08:32 <ais523> some of the best esolang ideas come up time and time again in lots of different contexts, but if you've never seen the pattern before it can be hard to notice
17:09:25 <wWwwW> does the exist any computational models, that are well...
17:10:25 <ais523> computational models are useful if you're studying computation
17:10:42 <wWwwW> to create programs
17:10:59 <ais523> and any nontrivial/optimising compiler will need some computational model for representing the programs it's compiling
17:11:07 <ais523> although normally it's more complicated than the ones you'll find on the wiki
17:11:29 <ais523> most of them aren't intended for writing in directly, but rather for compiling into
17:11:31 <int-e> wWwwW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random-access_machine is probably more boring than you want
17:11:48 <ais523> I agree that it's both useful and boring
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17:13:22 <int-e> (it turns out that people don't enjoy implementing random access memory on Turing machines)
17:14:32 <ais523> hmm, should I tell PSDW to stop adding "Category:Languages" without adding the other categories at the same time?
17:14:51 <ais523> it just makes it harder to find uncategorized pages because they don't show up on the list of uncategorized pages any more
17:15:21 <wWwwW> maybe uncategorized could include ones with only lang?
17:15:49 <ais523> that would be a good idea, but unfortunately the definition of "uncategorized" isn't very easy to change
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17:17:11 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137681&oldid=137678 * Yayimhere * (+155)
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17:19:30 <b_jonas> I was watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSxW2jHS87g recently, in which Marc tells how the US helped the rocket engineer Von Braun move to the US around 1945, but the President didn't trust him for a while, so he wasn't allowed to participate in actual spaceflight research until the 1960s. So that and Böhm's prediscovery of brainfuck reminded me of a joke that I read somewhere and I'll retell in
17:19:40 <esolangs> [[LX]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137682&oldid=137631 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+62) Categories
17:22:17 <b_jonas> The joke plays in the 1950s, when the US tries to make rockets for spaceflight, but the rockets keep failing and the whole things costs a lot of money. The scientists recommend hiring Von Braun, but the President does not approve that. So instead they hire a spirit medium to summon the spirit of Ciolkovski. Ciolkovski takes one look at the rocket designs presented to him, then says "why do you need a
17:22:24 <b_jonas> hundred scientists working on this, when I have already published a good design for the entire space rocket in my 1929 article?" A few years later, they summon the spiriti of Ciolkovski again. "Professor Ciolkovski, we built the rocket following your instructions in the 1929 article, but it exploded at launch." "Ah yes, that is the explosion problem that I solve in my 1931 article."
17:22:51 <b_jonas> I usually think of Gauss like this but for mathematics problems.
17:23:17 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137683&oldid=137666 * Tommyaweosme * (+159)
17:23:19 <esolangs> [[Undelta]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137684&oldid=137664 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+67) Categories
17:25:20 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137685&oldid=137681 * Yayimhere * (-19)
17:25:21 <esolangs> [[Wow owo]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137686&oldid=137573 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+94) Categories
17:26:20 <b_jonas> Marc explains in the video that the rocket exploded because of a short between two diodes, since back then they didn't have the material technology for all the cheap plastic insulators that we use today. So after that, everything that the NASA built that went into the rocket was either properly capped with an insulator, or the whole circuit board and components on it were embedded in epoxy so that
17:26:26 <b_jonas> components can't move. I don't know if that's the same explosion problem that Ciolkovski had solved in the joke though.
17:26:56 <esolangs> [[Wow owo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137687&oldid=137686 * Yayimhere * (+2) /* examples */
17:27:21 <b_jonas> don't take "epoxy" in the strict sense above, I don't know what insulating filler material they used\
17:29:54 <esolangs> [[Kcidea]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137688&oldid=137535 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+87) Stub, categories
17:30:43 <wWwwW> PDW is rlly active rn
17:32:09 <b_jonas> only Ciolkovski is better because he actually wrote the articles, while Gauss just solved the problems and wrote down very little
17:32:40 <ais523> I discovered recently that Gauss invented the Fast Fourier Transform algorithm, but nobody noticed until after it had already been rediscovered by modern mathematicians
17:33:05 <wWwwW> i cant get dis stupid idea of my head
17:33:39 <wWwwW> a consistency checking esolang
17:34:09 <esolangs> [[Blast protection]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137689&oldid=136978 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+59) Categories
17:34:21 <esolangs> [[Imprecision]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137690&oldid=137673 * Ais523 * (+0) /* Specification */ move a sentence to a more sensible place
17:35:37 <esolangs> [[Analogia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137691&oldid=137440 * Ais523 * (+35) see also
17:35:57 <esolangs> [[NOP (esolang)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137692&oldid=115850 * Ractangle * (+62) /* More elaborate Python interpreter, but unfortunately it is incompatible with other languages */
17:36:01 <esolangs> [[Blindfolded Arithmetic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137693&oldid=134825 * Ais523 * (+18) /* See also */ +[[Imprecision]]
17:37:59 <wWwwW> everbody gettin active
17:38:10 <wWwwW> but is my esolang idea a good one
17:38:23 <ais523> I'm not entirely sure what you mean by consistency checking
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17:38:52 <wWwwW> like you know how some systems are inconsistent?
17:39:06 <wWwwW> could you makea. esolang with some operations and data types n' stuff
17:39:14 <wWwwW> to make it easy to check?
17:39:36 <ais523> it will depend on the exact meaning of "inconsistent" that you're using
17:39:41 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137694&oldid=137685 * Yayimhere * (+55)
17:39:43 <ais523> it is hard to objectively define
17:40:01 <wWwwW> like. isnt it without paradoxes?
17:40:46 <wWwwW> just the way in dis yt vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeQX2HjkcNo
17:40:52 <int-e> sure you can take the concept from formal logic
17:41:06 <int-e> but how do you make a language around this that is interesting?
17:41:32 <ais523> so the problem here is that for a language X to be able to prove a language Y consistent, X must be *more* powerful than Y, not just equally powerful
17:41:36 <wWwwW> i want something where you apply operqators to a language(idk how you would store that)
17:41:48 <ais523> unless X is inconsistent, in which case it can typically prove a lot of false statements so the proofs aren't interesting
17:41:53 <int-e> the "fundamental flaw" framing still upsets me beyond reason
17:42:11 <int-e> And I've never watched the video because of that.
17:42:11 <wWwwW> ais523 ik. thats why maybe it would only be for FSA's
17:42:20 <ais523> so your esolang will need to be more powerful than the languages it's operating on, and it's hard to do that while remaining computable (but this isn't really interesting if the language can't be implemented)
17:42:49 <int-e> (Plus being well too familiar with Gödel's theorems and related ones by Rosser and Tarski and Kleene and I forgot who else already)
17:42:52 <wWwwW> like all turing complete esolangs cant be implemented(but still yea)
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17:43:52 <wWwwW> like not constructing theorems as a esolang
17:43:59 <wWwwW> but like apply dis and dis operaotr
17:44:03 <wWwwW> until you get a bool
17:44:42 <int-e> if you simpify too much you probably end up in the vicinity of SAT and SMT solvers.
17:45:05 <ais523> an esoteric SAT solver would be fun, although arguably the existing SAT solvers are esoteric already
17:45:10 <wWwwW> what is a SAT and SMT solver??????
17:45:22 <ais523> actually, violin already exists, sort of
17:45:37 <int-e> SAT is "(boolean) satisfiability"
17:45:46 <ais523> it's in a repository and might even build if you somehow manage to figure out the right sequence of commands
17:45:50 <wWwwW> how would you do that
17:45:54 <wWwwW> convert a lang to a bool
17:45:57 <wWwwW> and do it correctly
17:46:14 <int-e> SMT is "satisfiability modulo theories"; I /could/ explain more I suppose but Wikipedia probably does a better job without any effort on my part :P
17:46:34 <esolangs> [[Nope. with no quine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137695 * Ractangle * (+316) Created page with "'''Nope. with no quine''' is an esolang created by [[User:Ractangle]] based on those "None. without a quine" esolangs. it's basicly [[Nope.]] with no quine. So that basicly means: if you put "None." to the input. The interpriter will print: and if you pu
17:46:36 <wWwwW> also all inconstent things are not TC right?
17:46:50 <ais523> (violin is specialised for INTERCAL reverse assignments, like .1 $ .2 <- #12345, and works out what values to assign to the variables to make them work even if the same variable is used twice)
17:47:04 <int-e> inconsistent theories have no models, so are they "things" at all :P
17:47:17 <wWwwW> does what im saying even make sense?
17:47:34 <ais523> well, arguably an inconsistent theory resolves everything that's implied by a contradiction to bottom, so it's the equivalent of a language where none of those programs halt
17:47:45 <int-e> wWwwW: I think it's an "idea" but it's pretty vague.
17:47:53 <ais523> I am not sure if it's possible to still be TC despite that, if it doesn't have the law of excluded middle or the like
17:48:07 <ais523> so that some things can be meaningfully true or false despite the inconsistency
17:48:45 <ais523> right, but you can define a way to observe the equivalent of a halt
17:48:55 <ais523> e.g. in a CA you can define a halt as being an exact repeat of a previous state
17:49:01 <wWwwW> but cant you do that for something that doesnt halt?????
17:49:03 <int-e> I've never made an esolang because fleshing out ideas is hard. It's easier *within* a framework so I've analyzed a few of the existing ones.
17:49:27 <wWwwW> i will start working on dis
17:49:37 <ais523> wWwwW: yes – the exact definition of halting becomes somewhat subjective when dealing with weak versions of Turing-completeness in which you're allowed to change the halt condition
17:50:14 <wWwwW> either some inconsitent systems are TC or GoL is not TC ig????
17:50:38 <ais523> weak Turing-completeness isn't very easy to define precisely and the definition is still debated
17:50:49 <int-e> GoL is TC but in what sense would it be consistent or inconsistent?
17:50:51 <esolangs> [[Nope. with no quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137696&oldid=137695 * Ractangle * (+133)
17:51:03 <int-e> It's not a logical system in any obvious way.
17:51:17 <wWwwW> wow this went of the rails o_o
17:51:28 <ais523> int-e: conceptually, isn't that because it's untyped?
17:51:39 <ais523> you can send a spaceship at an interface that's expecting a glider and *something* happens
17:51:45 <ais523> just not necessarily what you intended
17:51:57 <wWwwW> wow dis is confusing
17:52:03 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137697&oldid=137633 * Ractangle * (+26) /* Esolangs */
17:52:04 <wWwwW> wtf even does logic MEAN??????
17:52:08 <ais523> meanwhile, untyped lambda calculus is TC, but is inconsistent if you try to interpret it as a proof system
17:52:24 <wWwwW> It doesnt mean algebra since how tf is GoL algebra????
17:52:24 <int-e> ais523: sure there's an emergent level of abstraction where you have a type system of sorts
17:52:29 <int-e> I'd call it non-obvious
17:53:18 <ais523> oh wow, I just realised something that might be completely wrong, or even meaningless – but in the Curry-Howard correspondence, aren't consistent systems necessarily total, and the ones that can write infinite loops the ones that can prove false?
17:53:31 <wWwwW> i just found out somethin(i think)
17:53:42 <ais523> so in a sense, it's *only* the inconsistent systems that are TC, none of the consistent ones
17:53:44 <wWwwW> i made dis stubid esolang : https://esolangs.org/wiki/Not
17:53:53 <wWwwW> heres the thing i found out:
17:54:09 <wWwwW> either not is more powerfull than a PDA
17:54:20 <wWwwW> or a PDA can make the program on the black page
17:54:22 <int-e> ais523: Sounds mostly correct to me. There's the codata trick though.
17:54:41 <ais523> wWwwW: not is indeed more powerful than a PDA in some respects, but less powerful in other respects
17:54:56 <int-e> codata Result a = Result a | Step (Result a)
17:55:02 <wWwwW> in a *full respect*
17:55:03 <ais523> imagine what happens to the stack after you do 1#1[1+==#N] (this is your example program with an extra =)
17:55:17 <ais523> the resulting state of the stack is something that a PDA can't even express, it is two-dimensional
17:55:36 <int-e> with a type like that you can split your computation into a sequence of steps that each terminate
17:55:39 <ais523> but, the language can't do some things that PDAs can do easily, like read memory in a way that affects control flow
17:56:09 <ais523> int-e: one of my first esolangs was like that, [[e:Wiki Cyclic Tag]]
17:56:17 <ais523> err, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag
17:56:27 <int-e> I guess this corresponds to Kleene's normal form (one outer fixed point/minimization/while loop)
17:56:42 <ais523> MediaWIki doesn't support infinite loops, so you have to manually rerun the next loop of the program
17:57:10 <wWwwW> people consider html and css TC
17:57:15 <wWwwW> but it need user input forever
17:57:19 <esolangs> [[Nope. with no quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137698&oldid=137696 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+87) Categories
17:57:23 <ais523> wWwwW: languages don't have to be in the main computational classes – it's normally very simple languages that aren't, because they don't have enough power for their operations to substitute for each other, so adding new operations gives new powers
17:58:07 <wWwwW> i wonder what a not comp calss would look like lol :]
17:58:13 <ais523> think about HQ9+, it has effectively no computational power at all – but if it did, then the HQ9+ commands would be redundant
17:58:25 <esolangs> [[Nope. without a quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137699&oldid=136324 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+46) Distinguish confusion
17:58:33 <ais523> but because it isn't, each command is contributing to the language in it s own very limited way, so it is in a computational class of HQ9+-alikes
17:58:38 <esolangs> [[Nope. with no quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137700&oldid=137698 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+48) Distinguish confusion
17:58:56 <ais523> and it is hard to create another language in this class without creating essentially the same language but with different syntax
17:59:08 <esolangs> [[Not]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137701&oldid=135881 * Yayimhere * (+20)
18:00:13 <wWwwW> aaaaa my brain is breakin
18:00:29 <wWwwW> also i wonder if Not has any paradoxe:)
18:00:58 <esolangs> [[Template:S]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137702 * Ractangle * (+17) Created page with "<del>{{{1}}}<del>"
18:01:45 <esolangs> [[Template:S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137703&oldid=137702 * Ractangle * (+1)
18:02:12 <wWwwW> but its for sure in a *full* perspective not is less powerfull than a PDA
18:02:41 <ais523> computational power isn't a straight line
18:02:52 <ais523> we say language X is more powerful than language Y if X can do everything Y can do, and more
18:03:04 <ais523> but sometimes, there are two languages, and each can do things that the other can't
18:03:21 <wWwwW> what if the only thing x can do thaty y cant is a no-op
18:03:27 <wWwwW> something non important
18:03:32 <wWwwW> also ive found a way to cheat
18:03:36 <ais523> that's still a power difference, and possibly an interesting one
18:03:54 <wWwwW> you can just count the number of 1's in a not string as a symbol in a PDA
18:03:54 <ais523> writing a language that can't do a nop is hard unless you're doing something like enforcing output
18:04:08 <ais523> yes, except a PDA can't have infinitely many symbols
18:04:20 <ais523> that specifically is the thing that gives Not the extra power
18:04:58 <ais523> because PDAs are normally defined in terms of a lookup table: "when there's an X on top of the stack, and a Y on the input, and you're in state Z, do «thing»"
18:05:11 <ais523> but if you had infinitely many symbols you'd need an infinitely big program
18:05:28 <wWwwW> aaaa dis is kinda hard
18:05:32 <esolangs> [[Old Branjunk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137704&oldid=135725 * Ractangle * (+244)
18:05:42 <esolangs> [[Old Branjunk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137705&oldid=137704 * Ractangle * (-8)
18:06:04 <wWwwW> aaaaaa im annoying myself
18:06:15 <wWwwW> i didnt know not could confuse me so much'
18:06:15 <ais523> or, well, here's an example: if Not had input, you could write a program that input a string, then printed it twice
18:06:16 <esolangs> [[Branjunk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137706&oldid=137217 * Ractangle * (+28) /* See also */
18:06:18 <ais523> you can't do that with a PDA
18:06:21 <int-e> wWwwW: take a break. get some fresh air. :)
18:06:55 <esolangs> [[Old Branjunk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137707&oldid=137705 * Ractangle * (+30)
18:07:09 <wWwwW> is dis allowed in a pda?:
18:07:09 <wWwwW> for all symbol and state Y do «thing»
18:07:21 <wWwwW> since Not has no conditional
18:07:51 <ais523> it's sort-of allowed, but the «thing» wouldn't be able to follow an infinite pattern
18:07:58 <ais523> otherwise you get more power than a PDA is normally allowed to have
18:08:01 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137708&oldid=137697 * Ractangle * (+55) /* Esolangs */
18:08:15 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137709&oldid=137708 * Ractangle * (+13) /* Esolangs */
18:08:31 <wWwwW> so no infinite loops???
18:08:44 <ais523> you can have an infinite loop, you just need to stay in a known state
18:09:02 <ais523> "when there's a 1 on top of the stack and you're in state 1, stay in state 1 and leave the 1 on top of the stack", that sort of thing
18:09:03 <wWwwW> then Not is representable in a PDA
18:09:08 <wWwwW> unless im wrong in some way
18:09:13 <ais523> no, a PDA cannot do the concatenation
18:09:23 <wWwwW> but if you have infit e symbols
18:09:28 <wWwwW> to represnt the ones
18:09:33 <ais523> then the concatenation would be an infinite pattern
18:10:07 <ais523> computational classes are defined more by what they can't do, than by what they can
18:10:27 <wWwwW> lol i think i find this to funny
18:10:38 <ais523> this is why the https://esolangs.org/wiki/Looping_counter test is useful, if a language can do that it proves that it isn't just a PDA or LBA
18:11:12 <ais523> it might have a unique or unusual computational class, especially if it's simple or defined based on a list of examples, but if that seems unlikely it raises the chance it's TC
18:11:17 <ais523> LBA = "linear-bounded automaton"
18:11:22 <int-e> Little Big Adventure, scnr
18:11:31 <ais523> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Linear_bounded_automaton
18:11:43 <esolangs> [[Old Branjunk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137710&oldid=137707 * Ractangle * (+98)
18:11:44 <int-e> What else... Linear Block Adressing
18:11:51 <ais523> my favourite example is https://esolangs.org/wiki/BuzzFizz which was intentionally designed as one
18:12:00 <wWwwW> so its somewhere between a LBA and a TM
18:12:08 <wWwwW> ais523 i like the name
18:12:14 <ais523> and it can do most of the popular problems, but not looping counters because an LBA can't do that one
18:12:33 <wWwwW> how much the esolang comunity has proove
18:12:46 <wWwwW> like if you want to choose something just get some esolang guys interested in it
18:13:03 <wWwwW> *proove or disproove something
18:13:10 <ais523> it's been a lot of people over a lot of years, and some of us have a lot of practice
18:13:16 <esolangs> [[Imprecision]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137711&oldid=137690 * Hakerh400 * (+168) Add interpreter
18:13:22 <ais523> int-e: fungot isn't here
18:13:56 <wWwwW> wait wtf û looks like a pencil
18:14:25 <wWwwW> the name is like a metaphor
18:14:29 <ais523> oh good, I was procrastinating on writing an Imprecision interpreter and someone wrote one already
18:14:41 <wWwwW> or however you speel it
18:15:01 <wWwwW> "im *not* going to be normal" or something like dat
18:16:40 <wWwwW> how the hell is not destroying me
18:18:00 <wWwwW> im just going to keep on going
18:18:45 <ais523> bbchallenge has spent a while trying to do something that has been proven impossible to continue indefinitely, to see how far they get
18:19:24 <esolangs> [[Looping counter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137712&oldid=136507 * Int-e * (+74) add Unlambda
18:19:51 <ais523> wWwwW: they are working through all Turing machines in the order of simplest to most complicated, trying to work out which ones halt and which ones don't
18:19:51 <int-e> busy beaver challenge I suppose
18:20:19 <ais523> it is known that at some point, we will reach a Turing machine that doesn't halt, but this is impossible to prove
18:20:50 <ais523> (it is also possible that we will reach a Turing machine that does halt, but we can't prove it and can't simulate it for long enough to observe it halting)
18:21:00 <int-e> can we blame this on Chaitin ;-)
18:21:17 <ais523> "we" here is general, I hardly did anything
18:21:27 <int-e> it's a facet of the halting problem being undecidable
18:21:40 <esolangs> [[Looping counter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137713&oldid=137712 * Yayimhere * (+26) added not cuz its possible
18:22:12 <int-e> If you could, for each Turing machine, whether it halts or not, then you could decide the halting problem simply by enumerating all possible proofs until one of them does the trick for the TM in question.
18:22:13 <ais523> int-e: oh wow, looping counter without s or k
18:22:31 <int-e> ais523: the ``ci`ci infinite loop is weird
18:22:44 <int-e> it's basically that with output
18:23:05 <ais523> now I am tempted to make a generalization of https://esolangs.org/wiki/Subtle_cough by adding the identity function to it
18:23:37 <int-e> (it's not original code... some example like this was in Madoore's original distribution)
18:23:44 <ais523> my current guess is "still sub-TC" but it's hard to tell
18:24:11 <int-e> (but it should be too simple for copyright issues, plus I reconstructed it on the spot :P)
18:24:15 <wWwwW> if you do that ais523 then plz name it general cough plz
18:24:36 <ais523> I guess the hard-mode version would be c+d+i
18:25:08 <ais523> d is sort-of like an identity function
18:25:14 <wWwwW> you said it took years for you to make eoslangs
18:25:25 <wWwwW> (not to say you lie or anythin')
18:25:33 <wWwwW> (and not to annoy you)
18:28:01 <wWwwW> you made on yester day
18:28:06 <wWwwW> and now your making another
18:28:12 <wWwwW> im confused i tihnk
18:28:17 <ais523> I don't really count that as making an esolang
18:28:21 <ais523> I guess I did, in a way
18:28:21 <int-e> wWwwW: nobody said that *all* languages take that long to make
18:28:29 <int-e> also this one is a variation on an existing one
18:28:43 <ais523> right, removing commands from an esolang is easy, it's probably even easier than adding them
18:29:00 <ais523> having some reason to think that removing commands from an esolang might be *interesting* takes insight, but in this case it wasn't my insight
18:29:21 <int-e> and besides it's not done
18:29:30 <ais523> like, I didn't originally notice that ~ in Underload could be implemented in terms of the other commands, someone else noticed that
18:29:38 <int-e> because I imagine ais523 wouldn't write anything about it unless it's somehow actually interesting
18:29:46 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137714&oldid=137709 * Ractangle * (+2)
18:29:48 <wWwwW> i have a *controverisal* thing somebody said:
18:29:49 <wWwwW> a good esolang take three things: boredom, ot much freedom, an ADHD
18:29:49 <int-e> and both c and d are... awkward.
18:30:06 <ais523> int-e: right, although I guess not knowing whether it's interesting or not is interesting in its own way?
18:30:21 <ais523> that normally takes a few days of thought to determine that it isn't uninteresting in a non-obvious way, though
18:30:46 <ais523> and oerjan isn't a regular here nowadays – oerjan was good at that sort of thing, probably better than me
18:31:31 <int-e> it is promising in that c and d kind of offset each other; c makes termination harder; d makes termination easier
18:32:01 <b_jonas> %s/Ciolkovski/Ciolkovskij/g
18:32:07 <ais523> fwiw I was considering a call-with-previous-continuation operation in an esolang I was working on recently
18:32:15 <int-e> my brain just wants to shut off though so I won't think about it
18:32:23 <ais523> the difference is that call/cc, if you call the continuation, the argument effectively replaces the entire call/cc call
18:32:56 <ais523> with call/pc, if you call the continuation, it effectively replaces the *argument* to the call/pc call, so it gets given the same continuation again and continues from there
18:33:28 <wWwwW> this day has made me hate not
18:33:30 <ais523> I think this is equivalent in logics that don't have linear-logic-like restrictions on duplicating and discarding values
18:33:38 <wWwwW> i will add that to my user page
18:33:41 <ais523> but it's easier to use for some things
18:34:11 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137715&oldid=137610 * Yayimhere * (+22)
18:35:55 <int-e> b_jonas: ITYM Циолковский
18:36:04 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137716&oldid=137345 * Ractangle * (+221) /* test topic */ new section
18:36:06 <b_jonas> fizzie: channel logs webserver seems inaccessible
18:36:37 <int-e> (except for the front page)
18:36:43 <ais523> b_jonas: try an invalid URL, it 404s right away
18:36:57 <ais523> server's accessible but is having trouble serving for some reason
18:37:18 <fizzie> I'm guessing it's the "stalker mode sometimes makes it get stuck" thing, which I hoped would've been fixed when I updated CivetWeb.
18:37:19 <int-e> wWwwW: I've forgotten essentially all the russian I've learned but I can still use the cyrillic script :P
18:37:23 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137717&oldid=137716 * Ractangle * (+0) /* test topic */
18:37:36 <fizzie> The front page, and 404s, are served by nginx; only the logs are served by the special log-server binary.
18:38:19 <fizzie> Restarted it, and it works again, but will probably break at some point in the future for the same reason.
18:38:33 <fizzie> One of these days I'll debug it. But not today.
18:38:35 <wWwwW> chat must look so confusing
18:38:52 <int-e> fizzie: sure, just narrowed it down because /sometimes/ something usually stable like DNS breaks
18:40:55 <b_jonas> wWwwW: to be clear, COME FROM was originally proposed as a joke replacement instead of GO TO, so it is by design that that they are equivalent. The joke was that there's an influential paper by Dijkstra where he explains why languages like FORTRAN should have a structured IF and WHILE statement, and you should write program using those rather than with conditional GO TO statements. So the COME FROM
18:41:01 <b_jonas> proposal starts from the base idea that GO TO is harmful, but then proposes an even worse solution.
18:43:28 <ais523> b_jonas: they aren't equivalent in interpreted languages, goto is much more efficient to implement
18:43:28 <int-e> wWwwW: IRC can get convoluted. It used to be worse :)
18:44:05 <ais523> e.g. you can't come from in a scripting interpreter that starts executing commands before it's fully parsed the program
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18:47:58 <b_jonas> yeah, Random-access machine is the computational model that is rather similar to the 70s and 80s computers which had a CPU and RAM running on the same clock, with no cache other than sometimes a 1-byte data prefetch, so every RAM access has the same cost. Only the model abstracts away the part that the available RAM and address space is necessarily finite. I think it could have been discovered earlier,
18:48:04 <b_jonas> but back then computers stored data on disks/drums or tape or mercury delay loop rather than core memory or SRAM or DRAM, so the abstraction was deeper, pretending that it always took the same amount of time to access any cell, even though that usually wasn't true for disks.
18:48:27 <zzo38> The variant of call/cc that I had consider is law of excluded middle continuations
18:49:02 <wWwwW> b_jonas: interesting
18:49:26 <b_jonas> Although now that I think of it, https://www.righto.com/2024/08/minuteman-guidance-computer.html describes a computer that stores its work memory on a disk, but its CPU clock cycles are synchronized with the disk's rotation, and it has a separate head for each track, so it does actually access its memory in constant time!
18:50:25 <b_jonas> that's the D-37 family of computers.
18:51:14 <b_jonas> oh hey, the logs web server fixed itself, thank you
18:51:29 <int-e> b_jonas: fizzie poked it
18:52:34 <wWwwW> int-e: i just got reminded of the c'mon do something meme but something happend
18:53:15 <int-e> wWwwW: honestly I'm not sure how many memes there are that both of us know
18:53:28 <int-e> (I'm not sure what you're referring to)
18:54:07 <int-e> links are fine (within reason)
18:54:27 <wWwwW> https://imgflip.com/i/923fer
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18:56:10 <b_jonas> int-e: yes, but the library catalogs store russian names in ISO-9 scientific transcription, presumably so that they could type them on a typewriter with fewer type elements, and then this got kept when the catalog got digitized, so if I type Ciolkovskij in the digital catalog https://nektar2.oszk.hu/LVbin/LibriVision/lv_search_form.html then it works (though gives some false positives for other people
18:56:16 <b_jonas> with the same family name), but if I enter Циолковский then it finds nothing
18:56:52 <int-e> b_jonas: that's kind of sad
18:57:03 <b_jonas> I think this is a bug, the library catalog software should be able to find transliterated versions of the name if I type Циолковский, but I have to know the workaround
18:57:56 <wWwwW> ahhh. radioactive theme. make my brain go yes
18:58:06 <b_jonas> and last I was in the building, they still had parts of the catalog not digitized, so I may have to search in the cupboards of catalog slips by the transcribed name sorted in alphabetic order
18:58:54 <b_jonas> I don't know if OSzK and/or Rényi Int kvt still has parts of their catalogs not yet digitized though, maybe they scanned everything by now
18:59:14 <int-e> Using 'j' for 'й' (which in context mostly extends the 'и' vowel) is also a bit weird, but whatever.
18:59:50 <int-e> (it's hard to argue with standards)
19:00:02 <int-e> cf. https://xkcd.com/927/
19:02:08 <wWwwW> sorry for bringing this up again but:
19:02:09 <wWwwW> how the hell is not more powerfull than whats just a TM but with bounded memory
19:03:23 <int-e> you need unbounded memory to keep track of the number of 1s to print between newlines
19:03:27 <b_jonas> int-e: the ISO 9 transcription wants to be a simple reversible transliteration that takes one letter always to one letter, so I think that makes sense. There are other transliterations that don't try to keep that.
19:03:39 <wWwwW> all you need is duplication concatenation and infinite loops
19:03:54 <b_jonas> also ISO 9 tries to transliterate all languages written in cyrillic letters uniformly, but in a way that's optimized for Russian first
19:03:55 <int-e> log(N) -> oo as N -> oo.
19:04:44 <int-e> And since there's no input, an LBA only gets finite memory here.
19:05:21 <wWwwW> even with input it can be a LBA(see buzzfizz)
19:05:33 <int-e> (The memory is bounded by a linear (technically affine to make the zero sized input case work) function in the input size.)
19:05:45 <b_jonas> and I think Serbian second, so that the transliterations for letters usually matches the Gaj serbian transliteration, except for ј where Russian takes precedence, and for the letters where serbian transliterates one cyrillic letter to two latin letters
19:06:02 <ais523> int-e: here, have an infinity symbol: ∞
19:06:22 <int-e> ais523: it looks ugly in my terminal font :P
19:06:31 <zzo38> I did not know about Minuteman computer now I see
19:06:47 <b_jonas> the one digit number for the standard is really cool by the way. do you know any other ISO or ECMA or ANSI etc standards with such a cool name?
19:07:02 <ais523> the book I learned about computer construction from was written a little after magnetic core memory was invented
19:07:18 <ais523> and had sections on both digital and analog computers, although there was more space devoted to digital
19:07:34 <int-e> ais523: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/owo.png
19:07:40 <ais523> b_jonas: aren't Ecma standards normally just two digits long? although they might have reached three digits by now
19:07:58 <b_jonas> ais523: two letters yes, but I don't think I've seen any one-digit one
19:08:05 <ais523> ISO have cool-sounding numbers for some of the standards, like ISO 9000 (the standards themselves are less interesting though)
19:08:12 <b_jonas> and the name with ISO is more impressive with how most ISO standards have longer names
19:09:36 <ais523> this IRC channel tried to set up a standards organisation once, but it didn't get as far as publishing even a single standard
19:09:41 <int-e> wWwwW: BuzzFizz has unbounded counters, so that means unbounded memory.
19:09:42 <ais523> (I think it was planning to do BF first, unsuprisingly)
19:10:10 <wWwwW> then its not a LBA????
19:10:11 <ais523> int-e: but it can be implemented with memory that's bounded linearly by the input
19:10:37 <int-e> okay so it can't do the looping counter
19:10:46 <ais523> wWwwW: the trick is that although the counters can theoretically go arbitrarily high, every very high value is indistinguishable from some lower value, and you can determine that statically
19:10:57 <b_jonas> I admit "typewriters" is too specific a reason, the library catalog even on a digital computer would probably have used a latin transliteration until about 1990 the least
19:11:00 <ais523> so you can "cheat" by storing the higher values as a lower one
19:11:03 <int-e> ais523: right I didn't read that far
19:11:29 <ais523> (well, "statically based on the input" which is how you get the LBA's input-dependence)
19:11:31 <wWwwW> does buzzfizz have strings?
19:11:43 <ais523> except for string literals in the print statements
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19:11:52 <wWwwW> else you could prop implement not
19:12:11 <int-e> it's not an LBA for the purpose of printing stuff
19:12:32 <int-e> you can print a counter
19:12:36 <b_jonas> "this IRC channel tried to set up a standards organisation once" => wait what?
19:12:42 <ais523> int-e: oh, ouch, that is probably a mistake
19:12:56 <ais523> b_jonas: it collapsed into bikeshedding about what typesetting software to use, I think
19:13:09 <ais523> it didn't get as far as considering issues like hosting or getting anyone to pay any attention to it
19:13:20 <int-e> but for properties like halting it's an LBA
19:14:15 <wWwwW> ill have to leave in a bit sorry
19:14:28 <int-e> that said... I still don't think that it can do the loooping counter even if you abuse the ability to print counter values
19:14:48 <b_jonas> typical. hopefully tom7 will improve his BoVeX esoteric typesetting system to a point where we can standardize on that. though we may need to write a texinfo-like template for it that can compile to either HTML or printable PDF.
19:14:52 <int-e> wWwwW: it's fine, people drop off and return all the time
19:15:22 <int-e> sure it may take hours, days, weeks... sometimes more
19:15:25 <ais523> conversations here often move slowly
19:15:31 <ais523> we continue them across hours or days quite often
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19:15:42 <int-e> and there are logs to help...
19:18:00 <esolangs> [[BuzzFizz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137718&oldid=58772 * Int-e * (+96) nitpick
19:18:53 <b_jonas> https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-09-01.html#l5f APL Del editor, ∇ editor, for log search purposes
19:21:41 <int-e> ais523: ironically that capability to print the counter is quite essential for FizzBuzz
19:21:44 <b_jonas> "sort of – it gets complicated when you have multiple gotos or comefroms aiming at the same line" => that's how Chomsky context-free grammars work if you translate it to a nondeterministic stack automata, but with a very different semantics for multiple COME FROM from the same place as in Intercal
19:21:55 <b_jonas> re https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-09-01.html#lpf
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19:22:26 <ais523> b_jonas: it's not very different, it's actually pretty similar
19:22:39 <ais523> C-INTERCAL implements backtracking and threading using the same internal primitives
19:24:01 <b_jonas> we should look up the original article proposing come from and link it from https://esolangs.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_esoteric_programming_languages https://esolangs.org/wiki/INTERCAL https://esolangs.org/wiki/C-INTERCAL
19:25:19 <esolangs> [[GoL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137719 * B jonas * (+26) Redirected page to [[Game of Life]]
19:26:35 <b_jonas> ok, I admit I haven't really looked at how threaded intercal worked, it didn't seem interesting enough an extension
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19:29:17 <ais523> the way it does inter-thread communication is probably the most interesting part, and ended up being useful for single-threaded programming too
19:34:00 <int-e> I'm trying to recall... was it a one-shot version of REINSTATE?
19:35:00 <b_jonas> "<wWwwW> a consistency checking esolang" => would a modern SAT solver or finite domain logic programming solver count? how about just Prolog?
19:35:05 <int-e> (I'll look it up myself)
19:37:27 <int-e> Ah, statement get an optional ONCE/AGAIN flag and 'ONCE' can toggle the NOT flag. Yeah, I think my memory got close enough :)
19:37:42 <ais523> int-e: it's a statement modifier that flips the abstention status once when the status runs, and then turns itself off, but it turns itself back on again if it gets externally abstained/reinstated
19:39:45 <b_jonas> and this is guaranteed to be atomic in that if two threads run into a statement that is currently reinstanted once only then exactly one will execute that statement?
19:40:35 <b_jonas> that's convenient, yes. though you'll also need some way to pause a thread without a spinloop.
19:41:02 <int-e> I think you have to spin here
19:42:13 <esolangs> [[Sculptlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137720&oldid=136486 * Ractangle * (+1)
19:42:15 <int-e> and nothing stops you from ineffectively REINSTATING a DO ... ONCE statement or ABSTAINING FROM a DON'T ... ONCE one.
19:42:39 <int-e> So there's some effort to make this awkward.
19:44:16 <b_jonas> “<int-e> inconsistent theories have no models, so are they ‘things’ at all” => yes, in that because there are interesting theories where we can't tell if they have models or not, we want to be able to talk about a model even if it might be inconsistent for all we know
19:44:36 <int-e> b_jonas: the link I'm looking at is https://web.archive.org/web/20160303230852/http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~malcolmr/intercal/threaded.html
19:44:40 <b_jonas> it's like being able to talk about a person who may be dead, even if a known dead person isn't interesting
19:45:22 <int-e> b_jonas: I was playing with the idea that the meta level is less tangible than the object level
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19:45:31 <int-e> and things should be tangible
19:45:36 <int-e> it wasn't too serious
19:47:28 <b_jonas> in that case you'd have to say that theories aren't things, regardless if they're consistent, only models are things
19:48:15 <int-e> I have bigger gripes in the same conceptual space... the reversed roles of reification and reflection in https://hackage.haskell.org/package/reflection-2.1.8/docs/Data-Reflection.html :P (values are concrete, so reification should be the process of expressing a type as a value, while reflection does the opposite... but no, it's the opposite)
19:49:18 <b_jonas> "I've never made an esolang because fleshing out ideas is hard." => the trick is to make a toy language or experimental language, and then posting it on the esolang wiki because those are off-topic enough
19:50:11 <b_jonas> by toy language I mean a language whose main goal is to learn how to implement a language; an experimental language is one that has features that are probably not good to put in a real language, but you want to explore their consequences so you put them into a language anyway.
19:50:55 <b_jonas> ok, not really, by toy language I mean a language whose main goal is to learn how to *design and develop* a language, which may involve implementing it, but that's not strictly necessary
19:52:26 <b_jonas> so toy language ends up as not practical mostly by the limitations of its creator, because they don't know how to make a good enough practical language; while experimental language ends up as not practical because you are trying an esoteric idea
19:52:48 <b_jonas> or too many strange ideas in the same language, where a few of those ideas may turn out to be good
19:53:13 <esolangs> [[Uyjhmn n]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137721&oldid=132744 * Ractangle * (-28) /* See also */
19:53:25 <b_jonas> I don't care too much about whether such languages count as esoteric or not, they're on topic enough for the wiki and channel
19:53:37 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[Uyjhmn--]] to [[I love circuit boards]]
19:54:14 <esolangs> [[I love circuit boards]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137724&oldid=137722 * Ractangle * (-1719) Replaced content with "{{Stub}} '''I love circuit boards''' is a circuit board esolang [[Category:Languages]][[Category:2024]][[Category:Unimplemented]]"
19:58:44 <esolangs> [[I love circuit boards]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137725&oldid=137724 * Ractangle * (+143)
20:09:00 <esolangs> [[NOP (esolang)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137726&oldid=137692 * Aadenboy * (+2)
20:13:36 <b_jonas> ais523: wait, what is call/pc ? I heard of call/cc and call/ec . is this something related to delimited continuations?
20:14:16 <int-e> 'p' is for 'previous' and there's an explanation of that in context
20:16:27 <b_jonas> "which I hoped would've been fixed when I updated CivetWeb" => I recently upgraded Oracle VirtualBox on my work machine because it sometimes used to crash with a segfault in the process running on the host. after the upgrade, multiple times it froze while the Windows guest was shutting down. this might not be a Virtualbox bug, it's possible that the guest freezes, but if so the timing is strange because
20:16:33 <b_jonas> I don't think that ever happened before, certainly not repeatedly.
20:20:03 <b_jonas> "<int-e> cf. https://xkcd.com/927/" => oh, there absolutely are that many standards for transliterating russian to latin script.
20:23:09 <esolangs> [[User:B jonas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137727&oldid=134895 * B jonas * (+152) /* Todo */ D-17, thank you for the reminder zzo38
20:24:01 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137728&oldid=132517 * Aadenboy * (+666) yet another rewrite
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20:36:55 <int-e> ais523: Hmm BuzzFizz should have enough for full LBA capability if we adopt a convention that the first input is 2^M if we want to simulate an M-bit tape. We get full finite control and counters modulo 2^M, and we can decrement a counter by zeroing an auxiliary counter, incrementing it once, and then incrementing both counters until the auxiliary counter is 0.
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20:37:51 <int-e> also, else: isn't needed for full finite control; you can maintain your own modulo 2 counter for that instead
20:40:08 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/common.js]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137735&oldid=136372 * Tommyaweosme * (-157) uwu
20:40:10 <int-e> (incidentally the example that adds two numbers doesn't use else: either)
20:41:40 <int-e> also since if ...: can be nested you can implement finite control with N states with log_2(N) toggles.
20:42:34 <int-e> with a silly opportunity to employ a Gray code.
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21:02:49 <ais523> int-e: ooh, nice proof – so I guess the hard part is doing it only with the numbers in the input
21:03:49 <ais523> (also I was wondering when Tommyaweosme was going to blank that CSS page)
21:04:12 <ais523> that JS edit could be trouble, I think it is likely to screw up edited pages, cloud-to-butt style
21:04:34 <ais523> but I'll wait for it to demonstrate that it's a problem before blanking, just in case it isn't
21:05:27 <esolangs> [[Uyjhmn--/Brainfuck interpreter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137736&oldid=130673 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+146) Link, category
21:05:37 <ais523> else: was included mostly because FizzBuzzes do that rather than for LBA-completeness
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21:14:03 <b_jonas> I haven't watched this recent video yet, but it has a clickbait title related to stuff on-topic here => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFoXooShZXc
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22:48:35 <korvo> For the MtG fans who didn't see it yet: https://david.kolo.ski/blog/sort-library-steps-mtg/
22:48:50 <korvo> A judge discusses this in a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhZnHJBH4Ag
22:54:28 <esolangs> [[Stck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137738&oldid=131435 * Thebarra * (+19) /* More Examples */
22:57:31 <esolangs> [[Stck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137739&oldid=137738 * Thebarra * (+108) /* More Examples */
23:03:51 <b_jonas> https://www.righto.com/2023/08/datapoint-to-8086.html “Following the 8080, Intel intended to revolutionize microprocessors with a 32-bit ‘micro-mainframe’, the iAPX 432. This extremely complex processor implemented objects, memory management, interprocess communication, and fine-grained memory protection in hardware. The iAPX 432 was too ambitious and the project fell behind schedule, leaving
23:03:57 <b_jonas> Intel vulnerable against competitors such as Motorola and Zilog. Intel quickly threw together a 16-bit processor as a stopgap until the iAPX 432 was ready;” => that means Intel's microprocessor development lab was capable of executing and reordering independent models way before they made the Pentium and Pentium Pro which were their first CPUs that could execute independent instructions in parallel
23:04:03 <b_jonas> and reorder instruction respectively.
23:19:31 <b_jonas> https://www.righto.com/2024/08/pentium-navajo-fairchild-shiprock.html => hmm, do we have a thematic esolang for this, one where the source code is woven fabric and it's interpreted as if it were plans for an integrated circuit?
23:47:44 <zzo38> I don't know what is BoVeX. What I think would be useful in a typesetting system is to be able to include PostScript codes which can be executed during the decisions of typesetting, and not only at the end when the output is being made.
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00:23:24 <b_jonas> zzo38: https://esolangs.org/wiki/BoVeX
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01:24:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:Befunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137748&oldid=121104 * Tommyaweosmalt * (+354)
02:02:14 <zzo38> About setting up a standards organization but standards were not made, I think though, that I had tried to make up one, which is a chording keyboard that uses the same combinations as the IBM format of punched cards, e.g. 0 and 9 together will make "Z". There will be a separate space key and enter key.
02:21:08 <zzo38> The other thing I had wanted to do is like Dewey decimal system with TV shows and movies, so that you can select them by number on a on demand service. After each digit is entered, a menu can be displayed with the choices for the next digit, and then afterward finally you can select which one you want from that menu by entering the rest of the digits according to the specific movie you want.
02:55:18 <esolangs> [[(,)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137749&oldid=119053 * Dadsdy * (-42) /* Discord */
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04:15:06 <zzo38> (I had also written other stuff though, such as Scorpion protocol/file-format.)
04:15:42 <zzo38> Maybe we will be able to make a standard organization if you have ideas about what kind of standards documents you will intend to write.
04:16:24 <zzo38> I think that it was mentioned that my ideas about chording keyboard might be suitable. So, next time you make up something else, and then we will have enough to make it, even if they contradict each other
04:53:59 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137750&oldid=137714 * Ractangle * (-53) /* Esolangs */
04:57:37 <esolangs> [[Nope. with no quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137751&oldid=137700 * Ractangle * (+109)
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07:49:40 <esolangs> [[Animosian]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137753&oldid=75706 * Star651 * (+340) kinda sorta got implemented but not exactly
08:10:30 <b_jonas> zzo38: how would that be layed out? the most common modifiers 10, 11, 12 under your left fingers, 10-11, 10-12, 11-12 in a row above your left fingers; the less common 8, 9, 8-9 modifiers under your left pinky; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 keys under your right fingers and the row above them; enter key somewhere reachable with your right hand; space under your thumbs? or would it be more like eight of 1,
08:10:36 <b_jonas> 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 in the home row; two copies each of the 10, 11, 12 modifiers above and 10-11, 10-12, 11-12 modifiers below the home row so you can use whichever is reachable with the other hand than the number you're pressing?
08:12:56 <b_jonas> or would you just start with a layout similar to traditional keyboards with separate keys for the 26 letters, 10 digits, and a few other, but then have two copies of the modifier to get lowercase equivalents that negate the 10, 11, 12 columns, and two copies of the 8 and 9 and 8-9 modifiers?
08:13:34 <b_jonas> (and a space and enter key, the space modifiable)
08:16:37 <b_jonas> that would not be too many keys, but I'm not sure it counts as chorded
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08:36:38 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137754&oldid=137740 * Gabenugget114 * (+92)
08:36:56 <esolangs> [[User:Gabenugget114]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137755 * Gabenugget114 * (+2) Created page with "hi"
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10:35:21 <esolangs> [[/English version]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137756&oldid=137636 * None1 * (+2) /* Command in the language */
10:36:52 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[User:Tommyaweosme/common.js]]": Author request: JS page that is rendering the account unable to edit
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10:37:41 <esolangs> [[/English version]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137758&oldid=137756 * None1 * (+58)
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11:20:27 <esolangs> [[Nope. with no quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137760&oldid=137751 * None1 * (+1)
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11:26:30 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137762&oldid=137647 * PrySigneToFry * (+195) I'll fliter the message with important level.
11:26:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137763&oldid=137762 * PrySigneToFry * (+5)
11:27:31 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137764&oldid=137757 * None1 * (+216) /* Delete blank pages */
11:29:55 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137765 * PrySigneToFry * (+19) Redirected page to [[Nope.]]
11:30:08 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137766&oldid=137764 * None1 * (+279) /* the war */
11:35:45 <esolangs> [[The Esoteric File Archive]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137767&oldid=82517 * None1 * (+13) /* Known mirrors */ probably dead
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11:39:36 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137768&oldid=136253 * PrySigneToFry * (+218)
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12:01:44 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137772 * PrySigneToFry * (+1024) Created page with "MHPP: I think we're going to go crazy with ORK NON1: Yes, but we can make it crazier PSTF: This is my product {{PSTF's Version|None1|[[Translated ORK/None1 again2]]}} 1. Take the semi-product <pre> Cable texture. Nothing not nothing. Nothing
12:02:47 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137773&oldid=137770 * Ractangle * (+8)
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12:37:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137776&oldid=137775 * Ractangle * (+167) /* test topic */
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13:11:51 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137777&oldid=137766 * Tommyaweosme * (+181) /* unbrick needed */
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13:23:27 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Unimplemented]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137779&oldid=137679 * None1 * (+252)
13:37:52 <esolangs> [[Befunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137780&oldid=132328 * None1 * (+120) /* Related languages */
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13:53:18 <esolangs> [[Turing (Joshop)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137782&oldid=108909 * PkmnQ * (-8) Page was blanked by the creator
13:54:03 <esolangs> [[Atomless set computation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137783&oldid=108747 * PkmnQ * (-8) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/108747|108747]] by [[Special:Contributions/Squidmanescape|Squidmanescape]] ([[User talk:Squidmanescape|talk]])
13:54:40 <esolangs> [[BlueBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137784&oldid=108760 * PkmnQ * (-8) Page was blanked by the author
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13:59:21 <esolangs> [[Chagz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137788&oldid=124079 * PkmnQ * (-16) Can probably be safely deleted
13:59:51 <esolangs> [[Miau]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137789&oldid=110915 * PkmnQ * (+2) Redirectify
14:00:39 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137790&oldid=137781 * Yayimhere * (+98)
14:00:59 <esolangs> [[BoredKat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137791&oldid=108880 * PkmnQ * (-20) Can probably be safely deleted
14:01:29 <esolangs> [[DimensionDoors]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137792&oldid=84021 * PkmnQ * (-22) Probably accidentally created
14:02:06 <esolangs> [[Cpy/Converter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137793&oldid=109114 * PkmnQ * (-22) Page was blanked by the author
14:02:30 <esolangs> [[Gino/Interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137794&oldid=109129 * PkmnQ * (-22) Page was blanked by the author
14:02:54 <esolangs> [[Gdlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137795&oldid=130860 * PkmnQ * (-22) Page was blanked by the author
14:04:53 <esolangs> [[Sequence]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137796&oldid=109374 * PkmnQ * (-15) Replace with template, author may choose to add page in the future
14:06:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:Sandbox/tr]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137797 * PkmnQ * (+106) Created page with "Is this supposed to exist? --~~~~"
14:07:12 <esolangs> [[Marmite]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137798&oldid=112492 * PkmnQ * (-27) Can probably be safely deleted
14:09:11 <esolangs> [[Lim95]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137799&oldid=99617 * PkmnQ * (-7) Probably accidentally created
14:10:11 <esolangs> [[Exclamation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137800&oldid=122306 * PkmnQ * (-8) Can probably be safely deleted
14:10:20 <esolangs> [[New]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137801&oldid=122307 * PkmnQ * (-8) Can probably be safely deleted
14:11:29 <esolangs> [[StupidStackLanguage/Examples]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137802&oldid=79822 * PkmnQ * (-14) Can probably be safely deleted
14:12:05 <esolangs> [[REG.TYPE = STR TRUE turing completeness]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137803&oldid=131824 * PkmnQ * (-28) Can probably be safely deleted
14:12:29 <esolangs> [[C-trice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137804&oldid=108903 * PkmnQ * (-31) Can probably be safely deleted
14:12:45 <esolangs> [[FunctionsFTW/FizzBizz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137805&oldid=93699 * PkmnQ * (-31) Can probably be safely deleted
14:12:57 <esolangs> [[Alexa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137806&oldid=109845 * PkmnQ * (-31) Can probably be safely deleted
14:13:08 <esolangs> [[Robotic Smiley Face]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137807&oldid=109961 * PkmnQ * (+1) Redirected page to [[Robotic smiley face]]
14:13:29 <esolangs> [[Esolang1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137808&oldid=91005 * PkmnQ * (-34) Probably accidentally created
14:14:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137809 * PkmnQ * (+114) Created page with "Is this supposed to be a redirect? --~~~~"
14:15:00 <esolangs> [[Quoi?]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137810&oldid=112869 * PkmnQ * (-36) Can probably be safely deleted
14:15:06 <esolangs> [[Quoi]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137811&oldid=112868 * PkmnQ * (-36) Can probably be safely deleted
14:15:19 <esolangs> [[Business Offers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137812&oldid=108901 * PkmnQ * (-41) Can probably be safely deleted
14:16:44 <esolangs> [[LambdaStack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137813&oldid=101633 * PkmnQ * (-50) Can probably be safely deleted
14:19:09 <esolangs> [[Disk Drive]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137814&oldid=106434 * PkmnQ * (-62) Redirected page to [[]]
14:20:06 <esolangs> [[BuzzFish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137815 * Yayimhere * (+413) Created page with "'''BuzzFish''' is a esolang by [[User:Yayimhere]] to demonstrate the problem with [[Looping counter]]s. == the syntax == BuzzFish has 3 commands: *: print * and a newline |''x''}: loops x forever |''x''}=: move the string |x}= to after the = == the problem == the
14:20:46 <esolangs> [[Pinecone]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137816&oldid=92298 * PkmnQ * (+23) Hopefully someone remembers what this esolang does
14:20:48 <wWwwW> https://esolangs.org/wiki/BuzzFish
14:21:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:Sleep]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137817 * PkmnQ * (+97) Created page with "Is this esoteric? --~~~~"
14:22:06 <esolangs> [[Chaos]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137818&oldid=109100 * PkmnQ * (-14)
14:22:44 <esolangs> [[OCDMess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137819&oldid=110035 * PkmnQ * (-89) Can probably be safely deleted
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14:27:52 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137821&oldid=137337 * None1 * (+315)
14:29:31 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137822&oldid=124504 * None1 * (+1)
14:30:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Chagz]]": apparent test page, has never had useful content
14:31:59 <esolangs> [[BoredKat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137823&oldid=137791 * Ais523 * (+25) manual revert back to being a redirect it is possible there are still links to the old name of the language, and a redirect is more useful than a missing page
14:34:00 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Sandbox/tr]]": apparent (very old) attempt to test a template but it doesn't make sense to keep tests around indefinitely, and normally userspace is a better place for that sort of test
14:34:24 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Talk:Sandbox/tr]]": delete the talk page, too
14:34:50 <ais523> wWwwW: can that even do a looping counter? you at least need * and the newline to be separate commands
14:36:13 <esolangs> [[BuzzFish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137824&oldid=137815 * Yayimhere * (+40)
14:36:44 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[User talk:Unname4798/vector.css]]": Author request
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14:37:03 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[User:Unname4798/common.js]]": Author request
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14:38:11 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137826&oldid=137820 * Ais523 * (+146) /* Unrated */ deleted
14:40:49 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ais523 * moved [[LambdaStack]] to [[User:Squidmanescape]]: revert accidental move of a userpage to mainspace temporarily deleting the replacement userpage to do the history merge, I will undelete it once the history merge is finished
14:40:49 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[User:Squidmanescape]]": Deleted to make way for move from "[[LambdaStack]]"
14:41:20 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] restore * Ais523 * undeleted "[[User:Squidmanescape]]": history merge
14:41:21 <wWwwW> ais523: now it works right?
14:41:51 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137828&oldid=137827 * Ais523 * (+2202) select the correct revision to be the current revision, after the history merge
14:42:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Business Offers]]": apparent test page, has never had useful content
14:43:42 <esolangs> [[Quoi]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137829&oldid=137811 * Ais523 * (+19) manual revert back to being a redirect it is possible there are still links to the old name of the language, and a redirect is more useful than a missing page
14:46:39 <esolangs> [[User talk:PkmnQ]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137830 * Ais523 * (+814) thanks for finding abandoned pages
14:47:58 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Esolang1]]": accidentally created page, all content is also included at [[User:Esolang1]] which is the correct name for the page
14:48:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Alexa]]": abandoned page, has never had useful content
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14:51:32 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[REG.TYPE = STR TRUE turing completeness]]": Author request: early draft of a TCness proof that's now superseded by (and redundant to) the proof on the main article, and the author requested deletion
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14:54:48 <wWwwW> lots of deletions today
14:55:07 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Marmite]]": abandoned page, has never had useful content
14:55:52 <ais523> wWwwW: someone went through blanking all the pages they thought should be deleted
14:56:03 <ais523> they weren't right on all of them, but got quite a lot right, so I went around deleting it properly
14:56:34 <wWwwW> shouldn't the creator be able to delete their pages?
14:56:48 <ais523> if it's soon after creation, typically yes
14:56:52 <wWwwW> so you and others dont need to delete it when they blank it
14:56:56 <ais523> if it's older it gets more complicated, because pages aren't owned by people
14:57:25 <wWwwW> if its something like bf you shouldnt be able to do that
14:57:25 <ais523> and if, say, the only description of an esolang is on the wiki but the creator doesn't feel like maintaining it, sometimes they try to delete the page, but then the description would be lost
14:58:02 <ais523> so those are controversial, and normally need more than one opinion to delete
14:58:21 <ais523> I generally leave the page in whatever state it's in, because that's easiest for me to do
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14:59:15 <ais523> as for BuzzFish, you might as well, e.g., just add a looping counter to HQ9+, it still would be less powerful than a linear-bounded automaton in almost all respects, but it would be able to implement one program the linear-bounded automaton couldn't
14:59:39 <ais523> so it's not *strictly* less powerful
15:00:11 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137831&oldid=137715 * Yayimhere * (+15)
15:00:20 <ais523> there's an HQ9+ variant https://esolangs.org/wiki/CHIQRSX9%2B with a command defined as "makes the language Turing-complete" – that's the definition, it doesn't say how
15:00:26 <esolangs> [[BuzzFish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137832&oldid=137825 * Yayimhere * (+16)
15:01:00 <ais523> I think there's some debate about what that does to the computational class
15:01:09 <wWwwW> so it could be a run the stack as the memory(idk if dis exists) of a universal tag system
15:01:47 <ais523> OK, 18 deletions is a lot (although it's actually only 16 because 2 of them were a history merge, which requires temporarily deleting pages but they get restored afterward)
15:05:22 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[DimensionDoors]]": accidentally created page, duplicate of [[User:DimensionDoors]] which is the correct name for it
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15:06:32 <esolangs> [[Gdlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137833&oldid=137795 * Ais523 * (+20) manual revert back to being a redirect it is possible there are still links to the old name of the language, and a redirect is more useful than a missing page
15:07:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Sequence]]": No content; content was: "{{Stub}}", has never had content other than the stub template or an equivalent
15:08:50 <ais523> it doesn't make any sense to make a page that's marked as a stub but nothing else, but apparently people do it sometimes
15:10:36 <ais523> at Wikipedia there are short letter+number codes for all the common ways people make pages that are either entirely useless or rulebreaking and can be deleted immediately, containing no useful content at all is A3
15:11:17 <wWwwW> thats pre''y smart
15:11:21 <ais523> I think it's mostly to stop people deleting pages unilaterally when there's supposed to be discussion first, if you don't know an appropriate code you can't delete the page (some admins get a bit trigger-happy with the deletes)
15:11:35 <wWwwW> also gentoo boot menu is TC... for some reason
15:13:39 <ais523> I once wrote a config file format by starting with it being TC and then placing restrictions on it until it wasn't, which is the other way round from how most people design config file formats
15:13:54 <ais523> maybe Gentoo's boot menu did it the other way round from me
15:14:08 <wWwwW> why do you want it to not be TC?
15:14:24 <ais523> because then it isn't really a config file, it's just a program
15:15:01 <ais523> and in particular I was working on a project where people doing similar projects were trying to put too much logic into the config files rather than putting it into the program being configured, where it should be
15:15:06 <ais523> so I wanted it to be sub-TC intentionally
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15:18:27 <wWwwW> i would like to see a ocnfig creating esolang
15:19:24 <ais523> not intentionally designed as one, I think
15:19:48 <ais523> there are almost certainly config file formats that turned into accidental esolangs
15:20:22 <wWwwW> then maybe some random config format is the first esolang?
15:21:36 <ais523> maybe, although early config file formats were very simple
15:27:05 <wWwwW> how the hell did conway get into esolangs??(fractan))
15:29:26 <ais523> so Conway seems to have been interested in showing that certain mathematical problems are hard to solve
15:29:51 <ais523> and there are very few ways we know of to prove that solving a problem is hard or impossible
15:30:14 <ais523> most problems that we know to be unsolvable, we know it because we can reduce them to the halting problem
15:30:30 <wWwwW> xD why is that so funny to me
15:30:37 <ais523> Conway was trying to show that the Collatz problem was difficult, and did so by showing that generalized Collatz problems were Turing-complete
15:30:49 <ais523> and Fractran was an esolang invented for the TCness proof
15:31:05 <wWwwW> yea that reminded me of something
15:31:27 <wWwwW> in the esolang comunity(and other mathemtical comunities)
15:31:43 <wWwwW> it is that after a person has made a lot of esolangs
15:32:02 <wWwwW> they begin using it in their proofs
15:32:10 <wWwwW> kinda like some of your esolangs
15:32:15 <wWwwW> idk why it happens
15:33:07 <ais523> many of my esolangs were created for proofs, and often they turn out to be useful in more than one proof
15:33:39 <ais523> also, "easy to implement esolangs that are TC and are useful for proving things" is one of the main sorts of esolang that I actively look for, it's where a lot of my esolanging effort goes
15:33:44 <ais523> so it isn't surprising that I found quite a few of them
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15:34:59 <ais523> I can sometimes put a huge amount of effort into taking an easy-to-implement TC language (like Cyclic Tag) and trying to make a derivative that's marginally easier to implement, and still TC, but the effort is that often it's a lot harder to prove TCness (like with Acyclic Tag, Grill Tag or Echo Tag, which are cyclic tag with added restrictions that make it easier to implement in some languages)
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15:38:13 <ais523> The Waterfall Model and Spiral Rise seem to be my best discoveries in terms of being TC yet easy to implement in esolangs and other low-powered languages
15:38:16 <wWwwW> hey ais523: do you think it would be possible to construct a computational model(or comp class) that matches not's power
15:38:50 <wib_jonas> wWwwW "i would like to see a ocnfig creating esolang" => I think there was one of those. IIRC it wasn't just turing-complete but had full access to C-level userspace, and used a syntax where commands were made of an opcode byte plus usually two register names, and I think the registers were named of the 52 ascii letters and maybe more but
15:38:51 <wib_jonas> partitioned to like 6 groups with fixed type traditional fortran style
15:39:00 <wib_jonas> but I'm probably misremembering most of this
15:39:26 <wib_jonas> oh hey, here it is => https://esolangs.org/wiki/Scrip7
15:39:44 <ais523> one thing I noticed is that Not is almost a subset of Underload: it has (1) * : S (¶)S (in Underload syntax), plus an infinite loop which is expressible in Underload but isn't a simple command
15:39:48 <wib_jonas> I just had to search https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?search=configuration+floating&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go
15:41:05 <wib_jonas> "the first version of the idea had seven registers in all 8 forms, and the author forgot that the alphabet has 26 letters, not 28"
15:41:57 <ais523> hmm, I think Not's computational class can be described like this: you have a counter that grows by a fixed amount at every iteration, and can output fixed strings of 1 and can also output the counter, but can't do anything else
15:42:23 <wWwwW> thats not tc for sure
15:42:24 <ais523> wib_jonas: that makes me think that the esolang should just have added two more letters, œ and æ perhaps
15:42:55 <ais523> those are less symmetrical but easier to type
15:43:24 <wWwwW> i mistype stuff with these so often loæ
15:44:27 <wib_jonas> ais523: in the current form one of the code pointer (as in Script7 code, not C code) typed variables, named G, is the instruction pointer, the so the nice symmetry of 7 general purpose registers in each type would be broken again
15:45:06 <wWwwW> œ and æ are the same???? right???
15:45:12 <wib_jonas> also Script7 basically just *removed* the letters g h G H
15:45:16 <ais523> no, one is a mix of an o and an e, the other is a mix of an a and an e
15:45:34 <wWwwW> they look so simileair
15:45:47 <ais523> æ used to be used in some older English words, but nowadays is normally typed as "ae" or just "e"; œ is used in French
15:46:13 <wWwwW> and maybe swedish(idk)
15:47:03 <wWwwW> cuz denmark has it
15:47:16 <wWwwW> and we just f'ing do that to people ig
15:48:20 <wWwwW> juts like denmark used to have norway
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15:57:39 <wWwwW> ^^ progress has been made on the comp class
15:59:58 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137835&oldid=137834 * Yayimhere * (+68)
16:04:11 <wWwwW> what would you expect dis esolangs comp class to be?
16:05:44 <ais523> I am not sure – my guess is that it's TC but it isn't obvious and I don't have a proof
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16:09:15 <esolangs> [[Instructistuctisurcticitstucrit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137837&oldid=137836 * Tommyaweosme * (+0)
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16:34:16 <wWwwW> hey also ais523 can you understand rectangle now?
16:35:58 <ais523> I understand it a bit better
16:36:22 <ais523> I haven't really thought about how to program in it, though
16:37:05 <wWwwW> i have a question about Is It Art?. would it be possible to construct a program that always accepts input
16:37:51 <ais523> I think so, one simple way is to have all the pieces rectangular and all having letters that represent input on them
16:38:08 <ais523> it isn't I/O complete because if input X maps to output Y, then input XX maps to output YY
16:38:26 <ais523> although, you could just dedicated some symbol to "end of input" to work around that
16:39:10 <wWwwW> could we maybe tro to create that program??
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16:53:10 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/befunge scripts]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137838 * Tommyaweosme * (+346) Created page with "unincluding the [[user:tommyaweosmalt|one i made on my alt]]: == hello world! == v v"hello world!"< @,,,,,,< >,,,,,^ == program that ends itself with no @ in sight == 88*60p == fizzbuzz (looks like cherries) == &
16:57:25 <wWwwW> i just got a f'ing stupid idea
17:01:10 <wWwwW> can i get feedback?
17:02:20 <zzo38> b_jonas: My intention was to use a small keyboard not much bigger than a telephone keypad, although I am not sure which orientation will be best. (I also did not think lowercase will be needed for the use of this kind of keyboard, and that it is not intended for when you have a full keyboard available but for when you use a small keyboad without too many keys.)
17:03:56 <wWwwW> that whats the program does is it modifies itself
17:04:02 <wWwwW> and not like emmental
17:04:19 <wWwwW> like it modifies the WAY its compiler works
17:04:58 <ais523> there are a lot of self-modifying languages on the wiki already, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Self-modifying – you could look at some of those for inspiration or to see if your idea's already been done
17:05:11 <wWwwW> it just fro goes into the compiler and just modifies the code
17:05:21 <wWwwW> not thta kind of self modifying
17:05:28 <ais523> wow, 319, I don't have all of those memorised (yet, or probably ever)
17:05:46 <ais523> I think that there are probably some that replace the interpreter already
17:05:57 <ais523> editing it rather than replacing it is a bit rarer, though
17:06:08 <wWwwW> but i dont mean something like: make dis command do dis code
17:06:26 <wWwwW> i mean that it actually modifies the code that inteprets the program
17:07:03 <ais523> so the problem with that is, if you are just editing the interpreter rather than just outright replacing it, you would need to specify what language the interpreter is written in, to be able to edit it
17:07:26 <wWwwW> maybe you could do *two layer* interpretation
17:07:46 <ais523> also, there is the potential problem that the program might edit the interpreter to just do everything on its own without even looking at the program
17:08:03 <ais523> so you'd effectively be programming in the outer language rather than in the esolang
17:08:17 <wWwwW> it coul prop be made better
17:09:22 <wWwwW> what if like the memory was the intepreter
17:10:09 <ais523> maybe what you want is an esoteric programming style in an existing language
17:10:33 <wWwwW> that sentence made no sense to me
17:10:47 <ais523> like, imagine a Python library that just alters bytes in memory directly, and only the bytes that correspond to the Python interpreter's memory image
17:11:05 <ais523> and all the language can do is "set byte X to value Y"
17:11:21 <wWwwW> where dis idea comes from is from 90
17:11:24 <ais523> but I think it might be uninteresting because people would just write a small machine code program that did all the work itself
17:11:40 <ais523> 90 works around the problem by not letting you add code, you can only delete it
17:11:53 <wWwwW> that would be cool
17:12:02 <wWwwW> the esolang is its own CPU
17:12:12 <wWwwW> then the bytes wont have the prblem of the computer
17:12:23 <ais523> then what is running the program?
17:12:24 <wWwwW> so it woudlnt have the problem 90
17:12:44 <wWwwW> ais523: and itepret which in intepreting the cpu which is interpeting the esolang
17:13:24 <ais523> so does the esolang change the CPU?
17:13:50 <wWwwW> it modifies the cpus compiler for it
17:13:56 <wWwwW> wow dis is confusing
17:14:26 <ais523> hmm, I have used the tools that are used to compile CPUs (rather than compiling software) – placing all the transistors and the like is very hard by hand, so computers are used to do it
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17:14:39 <ais523> but they're generally closed-source and awkward to use, with bad interfaces
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17:15:14 <wWwwW> idc about how computationally possible it is
17:15:22 <wWwwW> like if its hard to compile or whatever
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17:31:40 <int-e> ais523: I guess the obvious LBA task that BuzzFizz cannot accomplish without tweaking the input is reading a sequence of numbers in {1,2} and output them in reverse.
17:33:11 <zzo38> The standard organization can be made from some common conventions (e.g. RFC 2119) as well as uncommon conventions. Furthermore, they should be made 100% public domain They should be made in a way that can use a simple protocol and simple file (e.g. plain ASCII files) since otherwise it is difficult to access the file that you cannot know without reading the specification first.
17:33:41 <esolangs> [[BuzzFish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137845&oldid=137840 * Yayimhere * (+17)
17:34:29 <zzo38> There are several of "small web protocols" (I made a document which a list of them and some brief descriptions). If you need virtual hosting, then Nightfall Express won't do, and Gopher without TLS also won't do. Gopher with TLS has a problem due to how the gopher menu is made, but you could use a DNS record to specify that TLS is required if you do not have version 6 internet.
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17:36:11 <ais523> int-e: it possibly can if it takes them as digits of a single number? although that program seems like a pain to write
17:36:11 <wWwwW> is it a good idea tho?
17:36:36 <ais523> I think it would take too much effort to do well, and wouldn't really want to see it done badly
17:38:08 <zzo38> I don't know if they had considered using DNS records to avoid that problem of using gopher with TLS.
17:40:23 <int-e> ais523: Yeah that'll work... encode your input using only non-zero digits in a suitable base; do the same for the output (you can set aside a dedicated counter for accumulating the output). Also, yes, painful.
17:40:40 <wWwwW> ais523: for making the cpu i could just uselike idk assembly
17:42:18 <zzo38> (The DNS record can also specify that TLS is available but is not required even with version 4 internet, in case you do not need virtual hosting.)
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18:14:45 <zzo38> (I have seen gopher servers that require version 6 internet (I think it is the gopher server for INTERCAL), and I don't know if this might be why.)
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18:34:44 <int-e> The server may not have an IPv4 address. They often cost extra these days.
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18:38:21 <zzo38> They did have a HTTP server with a version 4 address though.
18:46:56 <int-e> It could be the lack of name-based virtual hosting (HTTP has a Host: header after version 1.1 I think?; Gopher doesn't have anything like that). Or there could be a
18:47:07 <int-e> Err... Or there could be no technical reason at all.
18:52:17 <zzo38> Yes, maybe there is no reason and they just did it, although lack of virtual hosting is also what I had mentioned; however, virtual hosting will be possible with TLS.
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19:00:31 <zzo38> But with version 6 internet, I would expect that they will have enough addresses that name-based virtual hosting will not be needed, I think.
19:02:22 <zzo38> So, protocols with virtual hosting can also be set up with servers with version 4 internet that can be forwarded to the appropriate version 6 addresses. In some cases TLS will be required for doing this but sometimes it can be done without TLS (although gopher isn't one of them).
19:02:37 <b_jonas> zzo38: I think two things you'll want to decide about the keyboard is (1) the typical largest set of fingers that users are expected to type on it, eg. on a qwerty keyboard you can use all fingers on both hands; on typical small mobile phone keypads you use just one finger; on some small keypads you'd use two thumbs; some calculators you can use with either one thumb when handheld, or one finger each
19:02:43 <b_jonas> from one hand if you put the calculator down onto a desk;
19:06:01 <b_jonas> (2) and how it processes the keydown and keyup events: for a normal keyboard you usually only care about keydown of non-modifier keys, and the up or down status of modifiers at the moment when the non-modifier is pressed, you ignore keyups of non-modifier keys and ignore the up/down status of modifiers at all other times; a mobile phone keypad usually only cares about keydowns and only when no other key
19:06:07 <b_jonas> is pressed, you then have to release all keys simultaneously before you can press a new key, this is a good way to ignore the effects of most accidental fat fingerings; while I think a stegano keyboard allows you to press the keys in a chord in any order, and goes to the next syllable when you release all the normal keys
19:06:28 <b_jonas> of course (2) can be decided in software in any case.
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19:16:28 <zzo38> OK, that is valid to consider. For (2), I did think to do that all keys must be released before it is worked and another keys can be entered, but I did not consider (1).
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01:16:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:0 bytes XD]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137861&oldid=135254 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+163) /* bad name :( */ new section
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01:47:11 <esolangs> [[User:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137863&oldid=134270 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+41)
03:15:15 <zzo38> I can make up a way for name-based forwarding of connections, which may be helpful in several cases, e.g. forwarding from a version 4 to several version 6, sharing on a single computer with the same address where multiple servers may be running, forwarding to a computer that is not directly connected to the internet, forwarding through a reverse connection in case they cannot listen directly, etc.
03:16:06 <zzo38> However, as far as I have found, SSH does not have virtual hosting. Do you know why they did not add that, even though TLS does have virtual hosting?
03:19:43 <zzo38> (or is that wrong?)
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03:57:32 <zzo38> It can be done directly by reading the client's request, before the server sends to the client, with: TLS, HTTP, Spartan, Scorpion (unencrypted). For some protocols it would require handling some of the functions in between, which means that it is not suitable for all uses, but might sometimes work for some uses, such as: SMTP, NNTP, IRC.
04:06:30 <zzo38> Do you like "Movie decimal system" which can be like a Dewey decimal systems, but with TV shows and movies
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04:53:35 <korvo> I gather that SSH supports key dispatch at the protocol level, although I don't know how often it's implemented. It doesn't need vhosts; it has vkeys.
04:54:42 <korvo> (Key dispatch can be hacked with e.g. OpenSSH on Linux by creating users whose login shells execute a fixed action, and then doing per-user key dispatch. Don't laugh -- this is how git-push works with forges!)
05:06:27 <esolangs> [[FOLDERS text]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137864&oldid=94706 * Yayimhere * (-14) replace external link since it was too the wiki anyway
05:10:23 <esolangs> [[Notf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137865&oldid=135902 * Yayimhere * (+138)
05:10:57 <esolangs> [[Not]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137866&oldid=137849 * Yayimhere * (-2523) /* Implementation */
05:11:03 <esolangs> [[Not]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137867&oldid=137866 * Yayimhere * (+2524) /* why tho */
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05:16:37 <zzo38> OK, but can it work if you do not already have a key (e.g. if it is a public service that does not require a password or a key to log in)?
05:55:25 <esolangs> [[Chaos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137868&oldid=137818 * PkmnQ * (+72)
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07:37:19 <b_jonas> zzo38: ssh has *client-side* virtual hosting: you can easily configure it to use fake hostnames, set any options including the actual hostname to connect to based on the hostname. I've done that many years ago, though I'm not using it right now. This is convenient because then you can use those hostnames in programs that use ssh as a lower-level program to access remote hosts, such as rsync or svn.
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09:06:58 <esolangs> [[NOP (esolang)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137869&oldid=137726 * None1 * (-9) /* Interpreters */ it is not the shortest since an empty program is shorter
09:10:42 <esolangs> [[Chicken you too beautiful]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137870&oldid=126536 * None1 * (+27)
09:24:50 <esolangs> [[Category:2027]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137871&oldid=137855 * Unname4798 * (+37)
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10:08:46 <esolangs> [[Reversefuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137872 * None1 * (+25) Redirected page to [[ReverseFuck]]
10:18:53 <esolangs> [[Not]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137873&oldid=137867 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+578) Formatted code fragments as such and introduced an aperu of the instruction set.
10:19:13 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137874&oldid=124538 * None1 * (+18)
10:19:39 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137875 * None1 * (+2130) Created page with " is a derivative of [[ReverseFuck]] but in Chinese. It's created by [[User:None1]], and it is a member of [[Trivial brainfuck substitution]]. It is equivalent to [[ReverseFuck]], which is equivalent to [[brainfuck]]. It is also the reverse of [[]], just like [[ReverseFuck]] is
10:19:57 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137876&oldid=137875 * None1 * (+1) /* Commands */
10:21:48 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137877&oldid=137674 * None1 * (+11) /* Non-alphabetic */
10:22:19 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137878&oldid=137877 * None1 * (+2) /* Non-alphabetic */
10:22:56 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137879&oldid=137568 * None1 * (+25) /* My Esolangs */
10:23:58 <esolangs> [[Translated Die Deutsche Programmiersprache]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137880&oldid=137566 * None1 * (+12)
10:27:42 <esolangs> [[Chicken you too beautiful]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137881&oldid=137870 * None1 * (+26) /* Turing completeness */
10:28:12 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137882&oldid=137876 * None1 * (+73) /* Interpreters */
10:34:37 <esolangs> [[Talk:0 bytes XD]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137883&oldid=137861 * None1 * (+308) /* bad name :( */
10:35:32 <esolangs> [[Chicken you too beautiful]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137884&oldid=137881 * None1 * (-26) /* See also */ Wrong place
10:37:48 <esolangs> [[Translated JNTM]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137885 * None1 * (+2099) Created page with "{{lang|a=User:None1|f=horribly translated [[Chicken you too beautiful]]}} It goes through simple translations, but it is wierd. 1. Take this program (as an example): <pre class="rectwrap"> chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken rap beauti
10:38:56 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137886&oldid=137567 * None1 * (+85) /* Horribly translated variants */
10:39:39 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137887&oldid=137879 * None1 * (+85) /* My Esolangs */
10:40:05 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137888&oldid=137874 * None1 * (+13) /* See also */
10:40:59 <esolangs> [[ReverseFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137889&oldid=115067 * None1 * (+26) /* External resources */
10:48:33 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137890&oldid=137750 * Ractangle * (+34) /* Esolangs */
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10:54:19 <esolangs> [[Uyjhmn--/Brainfuck interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137892&oldid=137891 * Ractangle * (+38)
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12:08:02 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137897&oldid=137887 * None1 * (+64) /* My Esolangs */
12:10:29 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137898&oldid=137894 * None1 * (+8) /* Syntax */
12:11:32 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137899&oldid=137898 * None1 * (+42) /* Fibonacci (recursion) */
12:12:07 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137900&oldid=137899 * None1 * (+34) /* Syntax */
12:12:41 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137901&oldid=137900 * None1 * (+2) /* Syntax */
12:12:58 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137902&oldid=137901 * None1 * (-2) /* Syntax */
12:13:30 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137903&oldid=137902 * None1 * (+1) /* Fibonacci (recursion) */
12:13:43 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137904&oldid=137903 * None1 * (+0) /* Fibonacci (recursion) */
12:14:02 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137905&oldid=137904 * None1 * (+7) /* Fibonacci (recursion) */
12:14:47 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137906&oldid=137905 * None1 * (+46) /* Truth Machine */
12:15:22 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137907&oldid=137906 * None1 * (-2) /* Truth Machine */
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12:54:39 <esolangs> [[Opal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137910&oldid=137908 * Ractangle * (+24)
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12:57:16 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137912&oldid=137911 * None1 * (-9) /* Standard library */
12:59:20 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137913&oldid=137912 * None1 * (+74) /* Examples */
13:00:00 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137914&oldid=135625 * None1 * (+89) /* Powershell */
13:05:41 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137915&oldid=137913 * None1 * (+2) /* Fibonacci (recursion) */
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13:14:46 <esolangs> [[PostScriptum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137917&oldid=137916 * None1 * (+363)
13:21:03 <esolangs> [[Palindrome]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137918&oldid=47145 * None1 * (+126) /* External resources */
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14:14:17 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137919 * DGCK81LNN * (+752) Created page with "{{Stub}} WhatLang is a stack-based programming language created by [[User:YufangTSTSU]] (Yufang). Written in TypeScript, its first interpreter is a private (not published on ''npm'') plugin for [https://koishi.chat Koishi], a bot framework for QQ and other instant me
14:14:30 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137920&oldid=137895 * DGCK81LNN * (+15) /* W */
14:15:52 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137921&oldid=137919 * DGCK81LNN * (+61)
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15:06:29 <wWwwW> somebody made a frickin Not intepret. wow
15:30:02 <fizzie> fungot's gone missing again. :/
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15:30:47 <fizzie> fungot: You're such a flaky bot.
15:30:47 <fungot> fizzie: no time for it. actually good hacker practice imho. not about that.
15:37:49 <fizzie> (It's just one of those bots.)
15:38:56 <fizzie> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal#.23Esoteric > The channel is visited by a large number of bots (some of which come and go), including fungot, HackEso, EgoBot, lambdabot, thutubot, metasepia, idris-bot, myndzi, jconn, j-bot, bfbot, velik, and esolangs (irc).
15:38:56 <fungot> fizzie: filled in my fnord are working on scheme :( mind you that pakistan is 140 million fnord country with fnord of
15:39:09 <fizzie> Many of them have departed though.
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15:52:29 <wWwwW> i got a ping buyt idk wut it was.anybody who mentioned me?
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17:53:55 <wWwwW> what do you think?:
17:53:55 <wWwwW> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Byte
18:03:53 <wWwwW> wait i wont have time
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18:26:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * OllyBritton * uploaded "[[File:Fibonacci example.png]]"
18:36:52 <esolangs> [[CALC]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137924 * OllyBritton * (+11668) Created page with "== Language overview == '''CALC''' is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:OllyBritton]] based on the kinds of expression which a simple scientific calculator with memory allows. It was designed to demonstrate that the Casio FX-991EX can do arbitrary com
18:38:37 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137925&oldid=137920 * OllyBritton * (+11)
18:38:56 <esolangs> [[CALC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137926&oldid=137924 * OllyBritton * (-32)
18:43:28 <esolangs> [[Opal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137927&oldid=137910 * Ractangle * (+180)
18:44:22 <esolangs> [[Over-Objective Programming Language (Opal)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137928&oldid=107081 * Ractangle * (+31)
18:45:51 <esolangs> [[CALC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137929&oldid=137926 * OllyBritton * (-4)
18:54:45 <esolangs> [[Opal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137930&oldid=137927 * Ractangle * (+151)
18:54:58 <esolangs> [[Not]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137931&oldid=137873 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+4) Amended the Common Lisp implementation's orthography.
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20:20:53 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[LX]] to [[Assembolge]]
20:23:01 <esolangs> [[Assembolge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137935&oldid=137933 * Ractangle * (-770)
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20:59:29 <esolangs> [[CALC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137937&oldid=137929 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+78) /* Implementations */ Categories
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21:11:01 <zzo38> Is there a TLS extension to include a ASN.1 data with an error condition?
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21:36:26 <esolangs> [[Category:2027]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137938&oldid=137871 * Tommyaweosme * (-37) no u
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05:58:22 <esolangs> [[Fortran]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137943 * PkmnQ * (+106) Created page with "{{serious|URL=Fortran}} {{stub}} [[Category:Languages]] [[Category:Before 1993]] [[Category:Implemented]]"
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07:53:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * 5cover * New user account
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12:38:22 <wWwwW> im bored and i have no dieas fo a esolang
12:39:37 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137957&oldid=137956 * Yayimhere * (+0)
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13:04:18 <wWwwW> what do you mean sprout?
13:11:00 <sprout> you asked for ideas, I gave you one
13:19:03 <wWwwW> i don wanna steal somebodys else's idea
13:20:25 <wWwwW> but even if its already made i want it to be orgiginal
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13:30:39 <wWwwW> also if you said somethin
13:30:54 <wWwwW> so could you maybe resend sprout
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14:17:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137968&oldid=137769 * PrySigneToFry * (+251) I see.(For the previous operation by AIS523)
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14:54:25 <wWwwW> can gte feedback on it?
14:58:28 <wWwwW> i can give the full idea
15:10:07 <wWwwW> if any of you want
15:13:50 <esolangs> [[Talk:Fortran]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137970&oldid=137940 * Yayimhere * (+161)
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15:48:24 <korvo> wWwwW: What do you want to accomplish?
15:49:18 <wWwwW> a esolang where you do crafting like in meincraft be deifnin g what things craft to what
15:51:27 <korvo> Fun! It sounds like the main thing to build would be a book of recipes.
15:51:53 <wWwwW> but what if you could modify it?
15:51:58 <wWwwW> like stirng rewriting
15:52:03 <wWwwW> but as minecraft crafting
15:52:53 <wWwwW> im makign am md doc of the book
15:52:59 <wWwwW> i would like help:)
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16:06:25 <wWwwW> ill send a link to the page korvo then you can check it out
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16:18:10 <wWwwW> did somebody say somethin to me?
16:18:20 <wWwwW> and wanted to know
16:23:05 <wWwwW> curent progress korvo: https://hackmd.io/@idkleftoutsidekkk/ryM0QbI3C
16:34:29 <ais523> wWwwW: there were no messages while you were connected
16:34:50 <ais523> you can see all the messages in the log, e.g. today's is https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-09-04.html
16:35:03 <ais523> lots of people here look at the log in order to reply to comments made while they weren't here
16:37:12 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Fortran]]": no content, has never had useful content don't create useless pages just to turn blue links red, it's possible that the link should be unlinked, but even when it shouldn't be, you should leave page creation to someone who has something to say
16:37:21 <fowl> my new programming language will have first-class telemetry. still working out the details
16:38:08 <esolangs> [[Talk:Fortran]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137971&oldid=137970 * Ais523 * (+334) page was created empty, and I have deleted it
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16:42:09 <ais523> fowl: in the sense that you can use telemetry as the argument and/or return value of a function?
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16:43:41 <ais523> it's kind-of mindboggling to imagine telemetry *not* being a special case, given that it seems to be a different kind of thing that the values and types that programs normally work with
16:50:12 <ais523> (I'm not saying that this is a bad idea – just that I'm interested to see how you'll accomplish it)
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16:56:49 <korvo> wWwwW: I'm getting a 403, sorry.
16:57:30 <korvo> I happen to be one of the Minecraft reverse engineers. I can tell you that the MC protocol supports a fairly flexible extension of crafting behaviors; it's not hard-coded.
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16:58:04 <korvo> The protocol lets a server tell a client to open up a modal box. There's hardcoded modals for crafting, furnaces, etc. but also freeform chest-like modals.
16:59:04 <korvo> The client and server can move objects around in the modal, and each movement (each mouse click, each drag-n-drop, etc.) sends an event from client to server. Also the server can force-change anything about the modal, like moving objects on their own.
17:00:03 <korvo> One of my early experiments was a sort of combination lock. The client attempts to open a chest/door. The server sends them a mostly-empty modal containing e.g. six colored wool blocks.
17:00:26 <korvo> The client has to drag them into the right locations on the modal, upon which the server instantly closes the modal and opens the door or spawns the chest modal.
17:00:34 <korvo> (If you've played Riven...)
17:01:04 <korvo> wWwwW: Anyway, it sounds like you're hard at work. When you're ready to share stuff publically, let me know and I'll have a look.
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17:14:14 <wWwwW> ill try to fix the 403
17:15:04 <wWwwW> https://hackmd.io/@idkleftoutsidekkk/ryM0QbI3C
17:16:36 <int-e> . o O ( window.GOOGLE_DRIVE_API_KEY = 'AIzaSyAHmcP5gL_64ZafuAYOvJruFAIaYgHQaY4' )
17:18:26 <int-e> just looking at the source code of that blank page :-P
17:19:10 <int-e> It might be less blank if I enabled Javascript. I don't know.
17:21:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Fortran]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137972&oldid=137971 * Yayimhere * (+175)
17:22:35 <int-e> It's hopefully a read-only API key. :-P
17:23:08 <wWwwW> i will make google doc
17:23:14 <wWwwW> since nobody can see it lol
17:23:15 <int-e> don't worry about it
17:24:02 <int-e> I have Javascript disabled by default. A lot of stuff doesn't work without Javascript. It makes me sad but... oh well.
17:24:35 <wWwwW> its just also korvok cant see it
17:25:09 <int-e> I can say that it's no longer s 403.
17:26:08 <ais523> int-e: I use two browsers, one with JS disabled, one with JS enabled but which wipes localstorage and cookies regularly
17:26:43 <ais523> and use the JS-disabled one for most browsing (I do enable JS on it on a case-by-case basis for websites which don't abuse it, like Wikipedia and Esolang)
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17:27:34 <ais523> then I have a third browser for testing that websites render correctly cross-browser, and a fourth browser for use in the terminal
17:28:04 <ais523> plus at least two browsers that I don't regularly use for anything (one of which is IE6, which I think I used once to test that a website would work in it)
17:28:11 <wWwwW> thats a lot of brwser
17:28:22 <wWwwW> ok thats enough browsers i think
17:28:50 <ais523> three browsers I don't regularly use for anything, I forgot I had Konqueror installed
17:29:13 <ais523> I do have a lot of browsers, I think I use even more text editors than that though
17:33:43 <fizzie> At least when it comes to the Google Drive API, I rather think API keys are entirely orthogonal to read-onlyness/read-writedness. Whether you can read or modify things depends on the relevant end-user credentials, usually through OAuth.
17:34:22 <wWwwW> im to stupid to understand that
17:34:26 <wWwwW> so immma ignore it ig
17:35:18 <fizzie> int-e: Looking at the feature list of the website, I'm guessing that's there to enable a "save to Drive" / "import from Drive" feature.
17:36:01 <b_jonas> can you recommend an x11 volume control program for my debian desktop? ideally one that I can just install to debian 11 from a native package and then keep when I upgrade to debian 12 (or 13 if I'm too lazy). I don't have any special needs, but currently I'm using qasmixer and that keeps crashing, so I'd just like something that doesn't crash so often.
17:37:34 <fizzie> Before PulseAudio/PipeWire, I used to just use that TUI thing, what's it called, `alsamixer`, with a thing that opened a new terminal for it.
17:38:04 <fizzie> If you glue a text-mode program to a terminal emulator, it counts as an X11 program.
17:38:22 <int-e> fizzie: There's a GOOGLE_DRIVE_CLIENT_ID as well. API credentials just are something that I don't really expect to see in client side JS code. But they may be fine. It's really more of a surprise than something I'll actually worry about.
17:40:01 <b_jonas> for browser, I primarily use firefox, the debian-modified version on my home machine and stock firefox on my Windows work machine. I have sometimes used extra Firefox profiles for a few things: I had one that uses the library's proxy to access parts of some paywalled publishing sites, I don't have the library subscription now but I'm not nuking it because I may use the same one in the future when I
17:41:34 <b_jonas> Long ago during my previous job I used to have a separate profile just to separate an in-house developped website to a separate process because it sometimes just consumed all resources and froze firefox. These days firefox has better built-in separation so that might not be necessary, though I still sometimes meet cases when the whole Firefox process hangs.
17:42:10 <fizzie> The "client ID" (in that context, anyway) is an OAuth2 concept, where it indicates the "client" (i.e., a specific website), for things like the auth/consent flow, so that it can show the correct details in the "do you want to let Frobnozz access your account" dialog.
17:42:24 <fizzie> Or something along those lines, I find modern webdev real hard to follow.
17:42:26 <b_jonas> I occasionally use Chrome or (at work only) IE to test if a website is only broken on Firefox or only with my Firefox plugins or it's just broken regardless of browser.
17:45:03 <fizzie> These days I just use Chrome, because, well, you know. With separate profiles for banking stuff and normal web browsing, for what little good that probably does. And then once in a blue moon re-check a website in Firefox to see if it's only broken on Chrome, but that seems to happen a lot less often than the other way around.
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17:45:51 <ais523> b_jonas: IE, not Edge?
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17:46:44 <b_jonas> ais523: uh yeah, it's probably actually Edge these days. I never specifically installed IE or Edge, it only comes up when I'm trying something from a machine other than my work laptop and it doesn't yet have firefox or chrome installed
17:47:47 <b_jonas> it's getting quite rare these days, we just have chromium installed even on production windows machines that aren't even supposed to run a browser during production
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18:05:22 <korvo> wwwww: I wonder whether this could be implemented as a Thue program or similar. The idea is that a general-purpose string-rewriter, if we feed it a special interpreter program, becomes a customized string-rewriter for your language and application.
18:05:54 <korvo> So you'd feed in your special interpreter, followed by your list of crafting recipes, and finally the user-level crafting program.
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00:27:16 <zzo38> I think that you should still continue to make up the standard organization. I also think that there can be the classification of e.g. programming languages, mathematics, character sets, file formats, electrical wiring, protocols, documents which are made as jokes, etc. I also think that a discussion can be made up, perhaps with IRC and NNTP. Furthermore, make it fully public domain.
00:27:44 <zzo38> Many people in this IRC can be included, but also possibly some other people such as Knuth and Tom7.
00:28:35 <zzo38> Furthermore: "The sad fact of the matter is that people play politics with standards to gain commercial advantage, and the result is that end users suffer the consequences. This is the case with character encoding for computer systems, and it is even more the case with HDTV." Therefore, these standards should be made to mitigate this things, by making different standards for character codes and televisions.
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12:16:11 <wWwwW> hey korvo idk if u here but ill resend the link: https://hackmd.io/@idkleftoutsidekkk/ryM0QbI3C
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12:47:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137998&oldid=137997 * Yayimhere * (+1)
13:11:27 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137999&oldid=137983 * PrySigneToFry * (+868)
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13:16:54 <esolangs> [[Talk:Emoji-gramming]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138001&oldid=138000 * PrySigneToFry * (-1)
13:18:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:Emoji-gramming]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138002&oldid=138001 * PrySigneToFry * (-4)
13:23:24 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138003&oldid=137826 * PrySigneToFry * (+767) /* A suggestion for Translated Shakespeare */ new section
13:23:37 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138004&oldid=137999 * None1 * (+529) /* inbox */
13:25:27 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138005&oldid=138004 * None1 * (+34) /* inbox */
13:27:27 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138006&oldid=138003 * None1 * (+204) /* A suggestion for Translated Shakespeare */
13:28:08 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138007&oldid=138005 * PrySigneToFry * (+691)
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13:36:13 <esolangs> [[Drive-In Window]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138008&oldid=126057 * None1 * (+26) Pseudonatural category
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13:45:26 <esolangs> [[Translated Drive-In Window]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138009 * None1 * (+1619) Created page with "'''Translated Drive-In Window''' is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]]. It is [[Drive-In Window]] but horribly translated. 1. Program <pre> Hi, welcome to Spill_The_Beans. Here is a menu. Vodka: $50 Here are your sides. Truth Serum: $2 May I tak
13:45:40 <esolangs> [[Windows]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138010 * PrySigneToFry * (+1281) Created page with "'''Windows''' or ''''''(aka '''swodniW''') is an esolang inspierd by [['xxx' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.|dmc]], [[bash: foo: No such file or directory|hasB]], foo : The term 'foo' is not recognized as the n
13:46:59 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138011&oldid=137896 * PrySigneToFry * (+156)
13:47:12 <wWwwW> aaaa i cant stop thinking about a consistency checking esolang. i have some ideas tho...
13:47:29 <wWwwW> also if i make it ill make the syntax uiua style syntax
13:47:55 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138012&oldid=138011 * None1 * (+86) /* Horribly translated variants */
13:49:08 <esolangs> [[Translated Drive-In Window]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138013&oldid=138009 * None1 * (+21)
13:50:30 <esolangs> [[Windows]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138014&oldid=138010 * PrySigneToFry * (+65)
13:51:49 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138015&oldid=137897 * None1 * (+86)
13:52:39 <esolangs> [[Windows]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138016&oldid=138014 * PrySigneToFry * (-1)
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14:30:30 <esolangs> [[Blues++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138018&oldid=137995 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+45) Stub, Wikipedia links, categories
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16:19:44 <esolangs> [[Collabi]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138020&oldid=135460 * HammyHammerhead * (+636) ADDED LOTS OF COMMANDS
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16:44:33 <wWwwW> where there a log of today?
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17:03:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138021&oldid=138007 * Unname4798 * (-2694) remove non-English texts
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17:13:34 <esolangs> [[User:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138024&oldid=138023 * Unname4798 * (+35)
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17:32:10 <esolangs> [[Wiki/pedia/.org]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138025 * Yayimhere * (+522) Created page with "'''Wiki/pedia/.org'''(pronounced '''Wikipedia dot org''') is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] based on the [[Wikipedia:Getting to Philosophy|Philosophy Game]] == semantics / syntax == the program structure: / wikipedia page name(in 19.30, 5. september 2
17:32:30 <wWwwW> ^^what do you think of dis esolang?
17:34:53 <esolangs> [[Wiki/pedia/.org]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138026&oldid=138025 * Yayimhere * (+40)
17:35:02 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138027&oldid=137831 * Yayimhere * (+22)
17:35:09 <esolangs> [[Wiki/pedia/.org]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138028&oldid=138026 * Yayimhere * (-30)
17:44:57 <esolangs> [[Kava]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138029&oldid=137982 * Ractangle * (+2) /* Truth-machine */
17:47:34 <esolangs> [[Kava]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138030&oldid=138029 * Ractangle * (+11) /* Commands */
17:51:46 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138031&oldid=137505 * Ractangle * (+147) /* Karma */
17:53:58 <esolangs> [[Kava]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138032&oldid=138030 * Ractangle * (+44) /* Commands */
17:54:59 <esolangs> [[Wiki/pedia/.org]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138033&oldid=138028 * Yayimhere * (+52)
17:56:16 <esolangs> [[Kava]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138034&oldid=138032 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Truth-machine */
17:58:19 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138035&oldid=138031 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Kava */
17:59:26 <esolangs> [[Kava]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138036&oldid=138034 * Ractangle * (+54) /* Commands */
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19:56:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:Undelta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138038&oldid=137598 * Ractangle * (+178)
19:58:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:Undelta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138039&oldid=138038 * Ractangle * (+0)
19:58:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move_redir * Ractangle * moved [[Undelta]] to [[]] over redirect
19:58:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[Talk:Undelta]] to [[Talk:]]
19:58:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete_redir * Ractangle * Ractangle deleted redirect [[]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[Undelta]]"
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20:00:44 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138045&oldid=138044 * Ractangle * (+57)
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20:22:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138048&oldid=138047 * Tommyaweosme * (+263)
20:22:38 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138049&oldid=138048 * Tommyaweosme * (+0)
20:25:26 <esolangs> [[Spaghetti]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138050&oldid=65416 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+18) Wayback
20:53:38 <esolangs> [[Cat (Language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138051&oldid=131295 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+51) Categories
20:54:13 <esolangs> [[Cat]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138052&oldid=131298 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-10) Reword
20:58:38 <esolangs> [[Cat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138053&oldid=138052 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-82) Hundreds of pages link to Cat instead of Cat program, so a redirect makes more sense
20:58:53 <esolangs> [[Cat program]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138054&oldid=113902 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+15) Distinguish confusion
21:00:41 <esolangs> [[Cat (Language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138055&oldid=138051 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+49) Distinguish confusion
21:01:22 <esolangs> [[Cat Program (language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138056&oldid=134838 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+15) Distinguish confusion
21:08:45 <esolangs> [[Braincraft]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138057&oldid=138019 * Tommyaweosme * (+1878)
21:10:08 <esolangs> [[Braincraft]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138058&oldid=138057 * Tommyaweosme * (+48) /* 1.0-current */
21:11:34 <esolangs> [[Braincraft]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138059&oldid=138058 * Tommyaweosme * (+22) /* number */
21:11:46 <esolangs> [[Braincraft]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138060&oldid=138059 * Tommyaweosme * (+1) /* 1.4 */
21:15:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:Fortran]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138061&oldid=137992 * Tommyaweosme * (+170)
21:17:32 <esolangs> [[Wiki/pedia/.org]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138062&oldid=138033 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+33) Stub, category
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02:54:24 <korvo> I'm about to add the URL https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Cat to a page. fizzie, would you please consider adding this to the interwiki list? I figure that they are potential friends, and I know some of them are alright folks.
02:55:26 <ais523> I'm not sure how much we even use the interwiki list – there are a few uses of wikipedia: but I think consensus is for the prefix to be visible
02:57:49 <ais523> the external link might be more useful even if the internal link is added to the list? it isn't obvious to me that "concatenative:Cat" (internal link) is more useful than "Cat at concatenative.org" (external link) for readers
02:57:53 <korvo> I dimly remember fizzie adding something for me, likely the Lojban wiki. I just thought it'd be a neighborly thing, that's all.
02:58:26 <ais523> I have no objections to it being on the list, just don't think the change would do anything
02:59:04 <ais523> (also, what is that wiki's name? it has a URL but doesn't appear to have a visible name anywhere, e.g. the homepage title is "Front Page")
02:59:16 <esolangs> [[User:TheCanon2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138067&oldid=136047 * TheCanon2 * (+12)
02:59:31 <ais523> (also, I wonder whether I should add Underload)
02:59:41 <esolangs> [[Cat (Language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138068&oldid=138055 * Corbin * (+109) Link to the other Cat. No opinion on how our top-level namespace should accommodate its existence.
03:00:24 <korvo> I think it's called "the concatenative languages wiki". I guess I should start idling in their channel again.
03:02:12 <ais523> cat(1) can also be interpreted as a programming language (https://esolangs.org/wiki/Text)
03:02:27 <ais523> so that's three languages which could plausibly be called "cat"
03:02:44 * ais523 vaguely wonders how many plausible extensions you need to add to cat(1) to make it Turing-complete
03:04:06 <ais523> I did once find a denial-of-service bug in xterm where you could cat a particular sequence of bytes into the terminal and it would enter an infinite loop – does that make Text non-total? (I reported it, and it's been fixed for ages)
03:09:38 <korvo> I've asked in #concatenative. Once I get a response, I'll edit that page and I suppose add see-alsos for a few overlapping langs too.
03:12:40 <ais523> now I am wondering whether Jelly is concatenative (assuming you ignore the rules for disambiguating ambiguous syntax, which take the entire line into account)
03:13:04 <ais523> it makes me think that there's a continuous range between fully concatenative and fully applicative, and Jelly is on the "mostly concatenative" location
03:15:07 <ais523> I guess the thing that makes it not fully concatenative is that if a function has two arguments, you can't split the function from its adjacent argument, but you can split the function-argument pair from everything else
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03:27:59 <korvo> The way I think of it is that a language is generalized-concatenative if it's got a syntactic monoid, and the classical definition is when the monoid has "" as unit.
03:29:53 <korvo> Or " " for some of them. Or maybe "\n" for sanity. And etc. It's become looser over time, but ISTR that something Cammy-shaped wouldn't ever fly because bracketing is an unacceptable complexity.
03:30:21 <ais523> Jelly does have that (if you allow for its idiosyncratic way of showing precedence) but you can't split just anywhere
03:31:21 <ais523> and in particular it doesn't seem to have or simulate a stack
03:31:48 <ais523> (except for the call stack)
03:39:29 <korvo> Oh, yeah. Most concatenative languages don't allow splitting; that's something else entirely. Like, Forth doesn't allow splitting because of the interpreter/compiler modes.
03:39:37 <korvo> To say nothing of ." quotation "
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05:08:16 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Rhythm game statistics * New user account
05:11:43 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138070&oldid=137993 * Rhythm game statistics * (+175)
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09:00:37 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138072&oldid=138045 * Ractangle * (+3) /* Syntax */
09:01:04 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138073&oldid=138072 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Syntax */
09:04:27 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138074&oldid=137381 * Ractangle * (+170) /* examples */
09:13:02 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138075&oldid=138074 * Ractangle * (+104) /* syntax */
09:15:53 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138076&oldid=138075 * Ractangle * (-7) /* syntax */
09:18:50 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138077&oldid=138027 * Ractangle * (+16)
09:19:36 <fizzie> I'll just enable the Interwiki extension, that'll allow any sysop to edit the list + I don't have to run raw SQL insert statements. Looks like it comes bundled in the standard distribution nowadays.
09:19:53 <fizzie> (Sometime later today, currently at the dentist.)
09:20:43 <esolangs> [[User:DGCK81LNN/vector-2022.js]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138078 * DGCK81LNN * (+100) Created page with "$( "meta[name=viewport]" ).attr( "content", "width=device-width, initial-scale=1, minimum-scale=1" )"
09:21:37 <fizzie> You know how people always refer to things disparagingly as "Big X", like there's Big Oil and Big Pharma and so on? I wonder if there's a group of people who believe a cabal of dentists is manipulating people, would that get called Big Tooth?
09:23:11 <fizzie> Anthropogenic teeth decay is just a lie from Big Tooth.
09:24:57 <esolangs> [[Poetic.BCT]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138079&oldid=138022 * None1 * (-20)
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10:13:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138104&oldid=138084 * Unname4798 * (-3412) None1 was right
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11:00:11 <esolangs> [[Comments]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138106 * Ractangle * (+184) Created page with "{{stub}} '''Comments''' are a part of a programme to explain something either a part of code or something else This page is going to talk about on how do you make comments in esolangs"
11:09:43 <esolangs> [[Comments]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138107&oldid=138106 * None1 * (+447)
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11:11:56 <esolangs> [[Comments]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138109&oldid=138108 * None1 * (+1) /* Languages with halting instructions */
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11:12:36 <esolangs> [[Comments]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138111&oldid=138110 * None1 * (+30) /* Languages with halting instructions */
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12:56:55 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138124&oldid=135855 * Ractangle * (-113) /* Python interpreters */
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14:04:05 <esolangs> [[User:GUAqwq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138129&oldid=138120 * GUAqwq * (+70) /* Articles */
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14:14:23 <esolangs> [[User:GUAqwq/TCproof to Lambda calculus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138131&oldid=138128 * Yayimhere * (+41) added the lambdas
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15:10:22 <esolangs> [[Try]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138139 * Yourusername * (+180) Created page with "Try is a esolang where you write esolang specs to code == Commands == [name] is a esolang where you [val] : set name to value <nowiki>== [Topic] ==</nowiki> : define a proceedure"
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15:20:02 <wWwwW> i have a question to all of you. is the infinite loop a looping counter?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bijection
15:20:44 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138141&oldid=137772 * PrySigneToFry * (+74)
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15:28:17 <ais523> wWwwW: I don't see how the "infinite loop" example is actually a loop – doesn't it become "{{}0}0" but with the instruction pointer at the end of the command?
15:28:47 <wWwwW> i need to specify that it runs whats inside
15:29:02 <ais523> ah, that makes more sense
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15:29:19 <ais523> so {}n appends a copy of line n to what's inside the brackets, and then runs what's inside the brackets
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15:30:43 <wWwwW> so it would be a looping counter right?
15:31:07 <ais523> I'm trying to work out how to get the exact triangle shape that's required
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15:31:34 <ais523> the {}0 program isn't a looping counter because it grows exponentially, not triangularly
15:31:57 <wWwwW> doesnt it still proove it has more power than a LBA?
15:32:34 <ais523> it probably does, but it doesn't prove it because it doesn't prove there's a way to actually read the data that's being stored
15:33:01 <wWwwW> but if it has to read data as a rule then. it would right?
15:33:07 <ais523> and in this sort of language, finding a way to read data is often harder to find a way to write it
15:33:55 <ais523> I would encourage you to leave the language the same, it's interesting as it is – or maybe change "append" to "prepend", that might be necessary to make control flow possible
15:34:18 <ais523> imagine a program like {{}0}1 \n x
15:34:19 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138148&oldid=138143 * Yayimhere * (+1)
15:34:49 <wWwwW> my brain is proccesing that
15:35:57 <ais523> oh, I just realised this language doesn't have any sort of goto, so the only line that actually changes is the first one (until it finishes running), meaning that any TCness has to come from just a single line
15:36:11 <ais523> which might well be possible but it reduces the chance a bit
15:36:26 <wWwwW> unless you do concurrency
15:36:34 <wWwwW> or only run the first line then the second so on
15:36:39 <wWwwW> then reruns until it halts
15:38:28 <ais523> hmm, an implicit loop is also possible
15:38:49 <ais523> no, I mean, what you were talking about is an implicit loop
15:38:54 <ais523> where the program starts again after reaching the end
15:39:52 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138149&oldid=138148 * Yayimhere * (+126)
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15:45:25 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138152&oldid=137109 * PrySigneToFry * (+609) /* */ new section
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16:14:20 <wWwwW> i spesified some more
16:14:59 <ais523> I don't think "no changes happen" is even possible, is it?
16:15:21 <ais523> unless all the commands refer to blank lines, and if the program doesn't start in that state it can never reach that state
16:15:28 <wWwwW> what should i do to the halts
16:15:50 <ais523> I think, with a language like this, you should probably just resign yourself to it running indefinitely, and let people define their own halt state to prove TCness
16:16:09 <ais523> and when there is a proof that "it would be TC if behaviour X was treated as a halt", then you can add the halt to the language
16:17:27 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138153&oldid=138149 * Yayimhere * (-25)
16:19:34 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138154&oldid=138153 * Yayimhere * (+42) /* examples */
16:20:16 <wWwwW> now do you think a looping counter is possible?
16:21:27 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138155&oldid=138154 * Yayimhere * (+27)
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16:27:42 <ais523> wWwwW: yes, {}1 \n (print *) \n (print \n) would be a looping counter in that version of the language (apart from the first line), if it had a print statement
16:28:48 <wWwwW> wouldnt it just work anyway
16:31:01 <ais523> but having the print statements makes it easier to describe
16:31:32 <wWwwW> ig you would include it
16:31:42 <wWwwW> the prints are for clarity
16:34:55 <wWwwW> and if so should i give credit?
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16:40:27 <b_jonas> you can always define multiple variants of a language together on one page, like if you want the support for print statements optional.
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17:18:21 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138158&oldid=138157 * Yayimhere * (+28) /* examples */
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17:20:28 <esolangs> [[Iframe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138159&oldid=119594 * PkmnQ * (+478) Less annoying syntax for when I implement this
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17:28:47 <esolangs> [[Nope]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138160&oldid=137037 * Yayimhere * (+1)
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18:05:32 <esolangs> [[Ridewith]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138163 * Yayimhere * (+787) Created page with "'''Ridewith''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] for creating ascii art == memory == memory is a grid(infinite) with a pointer starting at <code>(0, 0)</code>. the places the pointer goes are drawn on == syntax == there is dis syntax: ''start direction'' (
18:06:28 <wWwwW> i made dat horrible thing^
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19:28:03 <esolangs> [[Enwokenment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138169&oldid=138166 * Ais523 * (+985) explain why this is TC (it has the category already)
19:28:17 <esolangs> [[FRACTRAN]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138170 * Ais523 * (+22) caps redirect
19:29:02 <ais523> wWwwW: I'm not sure I'm in the right frame of mind for looking at esolangs right now
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19:38:20 <esolangs> [[Enwokenment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138174&oldid=138169 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) Fix year
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20:34:44 <esolangs> [[4ME]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138180&oldid=137011 * Ractangle * (-9)
20:36:33 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138181&oldid=136368 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Looping counter */
20:37:41 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138182&oldid=138181 * Ractangle * (+31)
20:41:16 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138183&oldid=138182 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Looping counter */
20:42:44 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138184&oldid=138183 * Ractangle * (+31) /* Infinite loop */
20:43:08 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138185&oldid=138184 * Ractangle * (+4) /* Infinite loop */
20:44:27 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138186&oldid=138185 * Ractangle * (+32) /* Truth-machine */
20:45:18 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138187&oldid=138186 * Ractangle * (+11) /* Looping counter */
20:46:36 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138188&oldid=138187 * Ractangle * (+35) /* Deadfish implementation */
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20:47:59 <esolangs> [[Deadfish/Implementations (nonalphabetic and A-L)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138190&oldid=136830 * Ractangle * (+20) /* G# */
20:49:29 <esolangs> [[Deadfish with gotos and input]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138191&oldid=137862 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1065) Interpreter, see also, categories
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23:03:22 <zzo38> Currently in a mahjong program I have: typedef struct { char*name; uint16_t value; } Name; it is used with tsearch. However, this requires two allocations and some extra space for the pointer, and it might be better to instead: typedef struct { uint16_t value; char name[0]; } Name;
23:05:23 <zzo38> The search key in this program will always be the same static buffer, so it could use some otherwise unused address to denote that, or to subtract sizeof(uint16_t) from the address of that buffer and somehow force the compiler to make that work (being valid if used in this way and not null).
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00:20:45 <esolangs> [[NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138200&oldid=137988 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+155) Link, categories
00:21:11 <esolangs> [[NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138201&oldid=138200 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+28) Category
00:22:16 <esolangs> [[NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138202&oldid=137477 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+117) See also
00:56:40 <esolangs> [[+-)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138203&oldid=122375 * None1 * (+219)
01:06:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bfos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138204&oldid=113882 * None1 * (+311)
01:07:55 <esolangs> [[NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138205&oldid=138202 * None1 * (+113) /* See also */
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01:31:09 <Sgeo> What CPUs have emulation modes? x86 architecture is infamous for that, 65816 has an emulation mode for 6502 (or some variation I think)
01:36:48 <esolangs> [[Trilangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138206&oldid=112452 * Bbrk24 * (-111) Trilangle can interpret Qdeql
01:40:25 <fizzie> The eZ80 has a "classic Z80" mode, I think. (Quite different from the native "ADL mode" in which the 16-bit register become 24-bit ones.)
01:44:29 <fizzie> Not sure if ARM's 32-bit execution state on AArch64 counts, maybe.
02:58:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Velato]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138207&oldid=31126 * None1 * (+126) /* Music images */ new section
02:58:24 <esolangs> [[Talk:Velato]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138208&oldid=138207 * None1 * (+235) /* Music images */
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03:39:22 <esolangs> [[Template:OLoP]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138210 * PrySigneToFry * (+105) Created page with ":''This page is written by the language {{{1}}}, and the version of language {{{2}}} is at [[{{{3}}}]].''"
03:39:45 <esolangs> [[Enwokenment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138211&oldid=138174 * Hakerh400 * (+6)
03:39:57 <esolangs> [[/English version]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138212&oldid=137758 * PrySigneToFry * (-19)
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03:52:51 <esolangs> [[Translated Shakespeare/PSTF]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138215 * PrySigneToFry * (+4973) Created page with "1. Program <pre> The Infamous Hello World Program. Romeo, a young man with a remarkable patience. Juliet, a likewise young woman of remarkable grace. Ophelia, a remarkable woman much in dispute with Hamlet. Hamlet, the flatterer of Andersen In
03:54:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138216&oldid=138006 * PrySigneToFry * (+524)
03:55:31 <esolangs> [[Translated Shakespeare/PSTF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138217&oldid=138215 * PrySigneToFry * (+8)
03:59:02 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/My Decimal Number]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138218 * PrySigneToFry * (+1091) Created page with "It calls "The PSTF constant" and its symbol is . 2.561765029376982639476905739572392398749348647654346788698569836928685656575656559200198249263159047584721586234075946897315867407907847846941795720456298375091247679407723064907438724
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04:04:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138220&oldid=136579 * PrySigneToFry * (+588) /* Translate it even scarier if thouyou want. */ new section
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05:30:50 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138223&oldid=138177 * Yayimhere * (+122)
05:32:46 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138224&oldid=138223 * Yayimhere * (+105)
05:36:11 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Unknown computational class]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138225 * Yayimhere * (+266) Created page with "i think this should have a sub category for things that have a high chance of being TC and must be at least close to it. like esolangs that has a [[Looping counter]] made in it ~~~~"
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06:35:47 <esolangs> [[ResPlicate]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138227&oldid=53514 * Yayimhere * (+24) /* Counting Up From Zero (in Unary) */
06:47:09 <esolangs> [[CASTLE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138228&oldid=92236 * Yayimhere * (-33) /* Examples */ Circute is on wiki
06:48:49 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Yayimhere * uploaded "[[File:Kicky BCT logo.jpg]]"
06:49:18 <esolangs> [[Kicky BCT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138230&oldid=138226 * Yayimhere * (+66)
06:50:01 <wWwwW> ^^hate of humanity confirmed^^
06:56:11 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138231&oldid=138209 * Yayimhere * (+124) /* bring back the old sandbox war */
07:04:41 <esolangs> [[FizzLang Unbounded]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138232 * Yayimhere * (+320) Created page with "'''FizzLang Unbounded''' is a simple variant of [[FizzLang]]. the original esolang was created by [[User:Mihai Popa]] and this variant is by [[User:Yayimhere]] == the change(yea there's only one) == now the: 1 -> 100 would not be there. there would just be
07:05:21 <esolangs> [[FizzLang Unbounded]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138233&oldid=138232 * Yayimhere * (-2)
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07:51:58 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138236&oldid=138235 * Ractangle * (+16)
07:54:55 <esolangs> [[Kicky BCT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138237&oldid=138230 * Yayimhere * (-844)
07:55:47 <wWwwW> i have a qeustion. souldnt a looping counter starting at ** isntead of * proove the same things right?
08:02:51 <esolangs> [[Kicky BCT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138238&oldid=138237 * Yayimhere * (+161)
08:05:11 <esolangs> [[Kicky BCT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138239&oldid=138238 * Yayimhere * (-36) /* random examples */
08:05:56 <esolangs> [[Kicky BCT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138240&oldid=138239 * Yayimhere * (-16) /* what has changed? */
08:21:23 <esolangs> [[Chance]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138241&oldid=78318 * Yayimhere * (-5) needs to show the User part in user page link
08:22:14 <esolangs> [[Deadfish 2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138242&oldid=135327 * Yayimhere * (-5) needs to show the User part in user page link
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08:43:19 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138244&oldid=138243 * PrySigneToFry * (+0) Change the time post
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08:52:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:Hello, world!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138246 * PrySigneToFry * (+66) Created page with "One world, one line of code. Welcome to the temple of programming."
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10:17:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/My Decimal Number]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138257 * Unname4798 * (+214) Created page with "What is the formula for PSTF's number? ~~~"
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10:38:08 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138260&oldid=135904 * ZachChecksOutEsolangs * (+201)
10:39:08 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138261&oldid=138260 * ZachChecksOutEsolangs * (-1)
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13:14:55 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Unknown computational class]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138264&oldid=138225 * Corbin * (+570) Cool idea, but probably not feasible.
13:26:56 <fizzie> Okay, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Interwiki is now available for anyone to read, and for admins to modify.
13:31:16 <fizzie> I feel like there's so many links in that table, some of them must have died since then.
13:33:27 <int-e> groups.google.com still exists? :P
13:33:46 <fizzie> I'd add that aforementioned concatenative.org but I don't know if the interwiki prefix should be `cat`, `concat` or `concatenative`.
13:34:07 <fizzie> We use groups.google.com a lot internally, unsurprisingly.
13:34:09 <int-e> there's cache but no archive.org prefix... odd
13:34:25 <fizzie> (Maybe that's why the product hasn't been killed entirely?)
13:34:33 <fizzie> It's less useful now that it no longer functions as a Usenet frontend.
13:34:39 <int-e> The only thing I've ever used groups.google.com for was as an NNTP archive and I think that part is long gone.
13:35:53 <fizzie> All the entries in "My groups" at groups.google.com for my personal Gmail account are acting as ACL lists for dogfooding prerelease versions of different Google things.
13:36:26 <int-e> is there any downside to disabling forwarding for everything?
13:37:08 <int-e> (I don't mind the idea that those destinations are trusted, but I wonder what legitimate purpose these forwards really serve in the esolang context.)
13:37:51 <int-e> anyway, no real complaints
13:38:06 <int-e> also I wouldn't consider myself a heavy user of the wiki
13:38:56 <int-e> "A user with 231 edits. Account created on 27 September 2015."
13:39:11 <fizzie> You can write shorter links using the prefix, and it'd be possible to update them all at once if the destination changes their URLs, I imagine that's the primary advantage. Which is only relevant if people want to write such links and know about the feature, of course.
13:39:45 <fizzie> I'm sure we got the list from some list of defaults back when originally installing MediaWiki without thinking about it too much.
13:39:48 <int-e> But wouldn't the wiki expand them for you?
13:45:01 <fizzie> Oh, I didn't know what the "forward" column does. Yeah, the WikiMedia wikis should probably be "no" here, I don't think they're useful.
13:45:52 <fizzie> Ain't no-one going to try going to https://esolangs.org/wiki/wikipedia:Cat expecting it to work.
13:46:48 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138265&oldid=138262 * PrySigneToFry * (+659)
13:47:34 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikibooks" (https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:48:04 <fizzie> Okay, this is going to cause a bit of spam since there's no bulk edit functionality.
13:48:17 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikinews" (https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:48:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikipedia" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:48:49 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikiquote" (https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:49:00 * int-e pats esolangs on the head
13:49:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikisource" (https://wikisource.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:49:08 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikispecies" (https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:49:13 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikiversity" (https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:49:18 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikt" (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:49:24 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wiktionary" (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:49:45 <fizzie> Think that was all of them.
13:53:04 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138266&oldid=138219 * PrySigneToFry * (+300)
13:54:58 <int-e> conway = https://conwaylife.com/wiki/$1 might be useful
13:56:55 <int-e> (inspired by https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bitgrid which links to Unit Cell there)
14:11:54 <fizzie> Hmm, but should it be `conway:` or `life:`? Despite the URL, they do call themselves LifeWiki.
14:12:24 <fizzie> There should be some kind of a mechanism where each MediaWiki wiki can declare their preferred interwiki prefix, and/or a registry of them.
14:15:15 <b_jonas_> Steo: I think ARM32 supports two or three instruction sets, as in the classic one where instructions are fixed 32 bit long, and the variable one called thumb where instructions can be 16 or 32 bits long (maybe also longer), and I think you can mix these within a process
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14:16:54 <b_jonas> x86 has this too, in theory you could mix x86_16 and x86_32 code in the same process, it's just that that's very rarely worth, about the only time it comes up is if a 32-bit DOS extender wants to call into a DOS file system driver, or a 32-bit boot loader called into old style BIOS, or some nonsense like that.
14:17:18 <b_jonas> and those ones don't even count because those call into real mode, which you *can't* mix in the same process
14:17:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_add * Fizzie * Fizzie added prefix "life" (https://conwaylife.com/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) to the interwiki table: add LifeWiki (conwaylife.com) since it's relevant to our interests
14:17:25 <b_jonas> you can only mix 16-bit and 32-bit protected mode
14:19:54 <b_jonas> I changed opinion about the interwiki codes and I think they should just die these days. We should just use absolute URLs for every link, and if the wiki interface wants to display them in a special way, they can recognize the URLs directly.
14:20:46 <b_jonas> both google groups and yahoo groups does exist, basically they are mailing list servers where anyone can create mailing lists, and you can use the web interface to subscribe or read the archive
14:21:02 <b_jonas> they also used to have a usenet interface, but that part may have died
14:21:32 <fizzie> There's two versions of Thumb; the plain Thumb(-1) is also fixed-length at 16 bits, the extra 32-bit instructions are a Thumb-2 thing.
14:22:03 <fizzie> ARM also had that Jazelle thing, where it can execute Java bytecode "natively".
14:22:12 <b_jonas> what? how can you have a fixed 16-bit length instruction set these days?
14:22:37 <b_jonas> I mean it's not really "these days" because now everything runs ARM64 instead
14:23:23 <int-e> b_jonas: Hmm I don't hate the prefix but the fact that they are not displayed as external links feels odd.
14:23:50 <b_jonas> but obviously on an existing wiki we can't just disable support for interwiki prefixes, and both esolang wiki and the wikimedia sites are very long-lived, so we'll have them forever,
14:24:11 <b_jonas> so what I said applies only to new wikis
14:24:30 <b_jonas> int-e: how they're formatted is kind of supposed to be orthogonal to how they're displayed though
14:24:43 <fizzie> For Sgeo's question I was really only trying to think of examples about emulating older, pre-existing architectures, for backwards (or sideways) compatibility reasons.
14:25:32 <b_jonas> fizzie: x86_16 was an established older architecture when the 386 introduced x86_32
14:25:47 <b_jonas> oh wait, there's a better example
14:26:29 <b_jonas> I think there are 16-bit 6502 extensions that have a compatibility mode that closely emulates the 6502 (or some 8-bit 6502 variant), they behave like that older CPU by default, but can be switched to the more modern mode
14:26:41 <fizzie> There's a CSS class `extiw` on interwiki links (compared to `external text` for regular external links), so if I knew what I was doing I could probably make them render the same as external links.
14:26:54 <fizzie> That's pretty similar to the Z80/eZ80 thing.
14:26:58 <b_jonas> some of them are even hardware-compatible with an existing 6502 variant as long as you keep them in compatibility mode in software, but then change how they use pins if you switch to 16-bit mode
14:28:25 <b_jonas> they need a compatibility mode because the 6502 was so popular and third-parties documented all the undocumented instructions that a lot of programs relied on what almost all undocumented behavior is (with the exception of a few instructions that just freeze the CPU), so it's hard to add new instructions; plus also they didn't just want to add new instructions but replace many of the normal ones with
14:28:31 <fizzie> Yes, Sgeo mentioned 65816 having a 6502 mode.
14:28:48 <b_jonas> plus they can just run existing 8-bit 6502 software that way
14:29:48 <esolangs> [[*bfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138267 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+914) Created page with "'''*bfuck''' is an esolang by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] based on [[brainfuck]] ==Commands== The tape has infinite amount of unsigned unbounded integers +-,.[] Are the same, <code><></code> are removed and there is additional command | Which toggles between two st
14:29:53 <b_jonas> int-e: I think most of the interwiki codes are just inherited from defaults from the mediawiki software
14:30:19 <korvo> fizzie: Thank you!
14:31:10 <b_jonas> "it'd be possible to update them all at once if the destination changes their URLs" => you can do URL rewriting with normal absolute URLs just as much, and then you don't need specific knowledge of the particular wiki. I think I've replaced OEIS links on the wiki after the old links failed to work.
14:31:13 <fizzie> korvo: I didn't actually add concatenative.org yet, because I couldn't pick the prefix. If you have an opinion on that, that might help.
14:31:43 <int-e> b_jonas: I was looking at a test edit to change the `unit cell` link I mentioned and now I'm not sure I want to actually do it.
14:32:30 <korvo> fizzie: "catlang wiki" was suggested in #concatenative; it's supposedly popular with their Discord community. I might suggest "catwiki" or "catlangwiki". "concatenative" is not a bad option, given that it's their channel and domain name.
14:32:34 <int-e> Because it would no longer indicate an external link.
14:32:54 <b_jonas> I've definitely replaced several links to OEIS and to Erich Friedman's webpage from elsewhere, mostly on SE. Sadly the Erich Friedman links are trickier because it's not just a simple prefix replace, pages moved within the site too. Technically some of that wasn't at the same time, but we don't replace links every half a year.
14:32:57 <int-e> "test edit" - a preview to use proper terminology
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14:33:44 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138268&oldid=121602 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+24) /* Things I made */
14:34:03 <b_jonas> Plus I think the complexity zoo may have moved. I think all three of these were universities getting nervous about what their subdomains point to and that they'll be considered endorsing everything hosted under any subdomain, which is kind of ridiculous but that's how politics goes.
14:34:09 <fizzie> korvo: It can't have a space in it for technical reasons, but both `catwiki` and `catlangwiki` would work.
14:34:33 <korvo> fizzie: Let's do `catlangwiki`. Thank you again for your attention to detail.
14:35:27 <b_jonas> "the WikiMedia wikis" => those shortcuts are probably among the more useful ones, because the esowiki was originally founded to rescue esolang documentation that would be deleted from en.wikipedia
14:35:37 <korvo> b_jonas: Complexity Zoo had some organizational issues; they couldn't really cross-reference. I visited a while ago and took detailed drawings (https://github.com/MostAwesomeDude/zaha/tree/master/complexity) but didn't write down the academic details.
14:35:45 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_add * Fizzie * Fizzie added prefix "catlangwiki" (https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) to the interwiki table: add prefix for concatenative.org
14:36:02 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138269&oldid=134927 * PrySigneToFry * (+303) I added even more horrible things in the page
14:36:14 <fizzie> And I'll probably also try to style interwiki links to indicate that they're external links, but only after running some errands.
14:36:26 <korvo> With both the Zoo and nLab, I've got projects (that one just linked and Catabase respectively) that are basically "this wiki could have been written as a SQL database, with constraints and checks and FKs".
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14:37:21 <esolangs> [[User:B jonas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138271&oldid=137727 * B jonas * (+44)
14:38:43 <fizzie> On the other topic, the Commodore C128 _system_ has a "CP/M Mode", but that's just based on having a separate Z80 CPU in addition to the 8502 (similar to how GBA included an SM83, the Z80-alike of the original Game Boy), so that's on a different level than the CPU execution modes.
14:38:44 <esolangs> [[Cat (Language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138272&oldid=138069 * Corbin * (-47) Test out the new interwiki entry for concatenative.org.
14:39:10 <esolangs> [[Pointfree programming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138273&oldid=107984 * B jonas * (+144)
14:39:44 <esolangs> [[Cat program]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138274&oldid=138054 * Corbin * (+63) Also add a disambiguation link here, since this is currently the redirect target for [[Cat]].
14:42:16 <b_jonas> simcop2387: oh yeah, and the Commodore 128 has a Commodore 64 mode built into it, with partly separate hardware, and because the Commodore 64 was so popular but the 128 wasn't, most software running on the 128 is just Commodore 64-bit software
14:43:37 <b_jonas> while the GBC has a GB compatibility mode, but I think that doesn't really count as an emulation, most of what it does is slowing down the CPU+memory and not changing the video card to color mode
14:44:36 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138275&oldid=138199 * Ractangle * (+171) /* brainfuck */
14:46:38 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138276&oldid=138247 * PrySigneToFry * (+26) Added a sub-title
14:46:54 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138277&oldid=138276 * PrySigneToFry * (+4) Fixed
14:51:07 <simcop2387> lol, though if i had the space and time i'd have a C64 or C128 for playing with :)
14:52:17 <b_jonas> simcop2387: you can just emulate them these days
14:52:22 <fizzie> I had a C128, but donated it to someone else when I moved countries, wasn't really using it for anything.
14:52:54 <simcop2387> and i think the GBC was slightly different than that, it always boots in the slow mode and B&W until it sees the new GBC nintento copyright string/logo bitmap but it's been a while since i've looked into exactly how that worked anymore
14:53:22 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138278&oldid=138275 * Ractangle * (-3) /* /// */
14:55:08 <simcop2387> i'd also love to have a teletype of some kind acting as a notification printer like it's part of an old time news room getting automated telegraphs of breaking news but i'm a bit weird that way
14:57:50 <fizzie> I missed all the "other systems" growing up (we were always a PC household), so I got a few (the C128, a Performa 5200, a SparcStation 5, an SGI Indy) to play with when they were already obsolete.
14:59:54 <fizzie> The SS5 probably saw the most use, because it ran OpenBSD and was my router for a couple of years, until Fast Ethernet was no longer fast enough.
15:02:45 <fizzie> Come to think of it, that's where the logs.esolangs.org logs start from, because it's also where I ran irssi on and started logging: https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2002-12-14.html
15:04:01 <b_jonas> oh an OpenBSD router? nice
15:10:18 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138279 * PrySigneToFry * (+1862) Created page with " is an Esolang that designed and implemented by PSTF. It is reversed version of [[]]. == Command Table == <pre> This Esolang Brainfuck < >
15:12:41 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138280&oldid=138167 * PrySigneToFry * (+19)
15:16:25 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138281&oldid=137672 * PrySigneToFry * (+48)
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15:21:15 <HackEso> olist <https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1310.html>: shachaf oerjan Sgeo boily nortti b_jonas Noisytoot
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15:44:16 <esolangs> [[OTS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138285&oldid=138284 * Yayimhere * (-2)
15:49:27 <esolangs> [[OTS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138286&oldid=138285 * Yayimhere * (+8)
16:03:25 <esolangs> [[OTS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138287&oldid=138286 * Yayimhere * (+0)
16:05:47 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138288&oldid=138076 * Ractangle * (+22) /* syntax */
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17:09:34 <esolangs> [[Try/hello world]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138291 * BestCoder * (+69) Created page with "Message is an esolang about hello world == Main == Output is Message"
17:10:23 <esolangs> [[Try]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138292&oldid=138290 * BestCoder * (+35)
17:15:53 <esolangs> [[Comment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138293&oldid=138283 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+29) /* Befunge/>/*> */
17:16:43 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138294&oldid=138224 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* examples */ Fix link
17:18:26 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Turning tarpits]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138295 * BestCoder * (+23) Created page with "you mean turing tarpits"
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17:20:18 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Turning tarpits]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138297&oldid=138295 * Yayimhere * (+169)
17:22:38 <esolangs> [[OTS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138298&oldid=138287 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+49) Categories
17:22:48 <esolangs> [[OTS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138299&oldid=138298 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) Typo
17:23:19 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/rights]] rights * Fizzie * changed group membership for User:Fizzie from bureaucrat, checkuser, sysop to bureaucrat, checkuser, sysop, interface-admin: grant interface-admin rights to self in hopes of restyling interwiki links
17:25:37 <esolangs> [[Kicky BCT]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138300&oldid=138240 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+74) Categories
17:26:27 <esolangs> [[Timelang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138301 * BestCoder * (+426) Created page with "You have to wait to code == Idea == time mod 8 determines what thing gets ran time%8 do 0 add one to current cell 1 sub one to current cell 2 move one cell left 3 move one cell right 4 input to cell 5 output from cell 6 start
17:29:09 <esolangs> [[EmojiCoder]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138302&oldid=78174 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) Category
17:29:11 <esolangs> [[User:BestCoder]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138303&oldid=134424 * BestCoder * (+18)
17:30:24 <esolangs> [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138304&oldid=51399 * Fizzie * (+270) attempt to style interwiki links with the external-site link indicator
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17:34:31 <fizzie> Kinda tricky. Different skins apply the "external site" icon differently; default Vector does it by setting a background-image to a small SVG, positioning it to 'center right' and adding a bit of padding; Citizen does it by adding an ::after pseudo-element that's `background-color: currentcolor` + masked with an SVG data: URL, presumably so that it inherits the color. But Common.css is common to
17:34:33 <fizzie> both, and I really don't want to start doing that per-skin.
17:35:08 <fizzie> In the end just applied Vector's simpler external-link styling to a.extiw.
17:35:35 <fizzie> The _right_ way to do it of course would've been to put the `external` CSS class to interwiki links as well, but couldn't find an option to do that.
17:41:57 <korvo> wWwwW: Mediawiki and similar wiki software has the concept of "interwiki", which lets us bluelink between different wikis. It's a little brittle, but it's mostly just a way to manage lots of offsite URLs.
17:44:00 <esolangs> [[~~]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138305 * Yayimhere * (+1425) Created page with "'''~~'''(first of all idk how i got that name second of all its pronounced sin) is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] while on a twitch stream == ~~ hexadecimal format == ~~ has a way to write hexadecimal numbers(where there are couples so they can be divided into chu
17:44:08 <korvo> fizzie: For some reason, `position: absolute` is getting added to that class. Pages like [[Cammy]] are getting a pile of links dragged to the top-right.
17:44:24 <wWwwW> hey korvo. it had a link to send you(idk if you've seen it) its the crafting esolang. here it is: https://hackmd.io/@idkleftoutsidekkk/ryM0QbI3C
17:46:26 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138306&oldid=138305 * Yayimhere * (-1)
17:47:56 <esolangs> [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138307&oldid=138304 * Fizzie * (+1) add a missing )
17:48:20 <fizzie> korvo: I missed a ) in `url(...)` and somehow didn't notice.
17:58:33 <korvo> fizzie: Nice, looks great.
17:58:49 <wWwwW> the link should work now
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18:02:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:Push-down automaton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138309&oldid=138308 * BestCoder * (+60)
18:04:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138310&oldid=137254 * Tommyaweosme * (+242)
18:06:06 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138311 * Xarthan * (+450) Created page
18:07:35 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138312&oldid=138311 * Xarthan * (+49) lmao
18:21:10 <wWwwW> is it ready for the wiki?
18:22:43 <b_jonas> fungot, how often do you dishearten, and how often do you connive?
18:22:44 <fungot> b_jonas: please look at r5rs: the revised5 report on scheme
18:33:51 <esolangs> [[Direction]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138313 * BestCoder * (+727) Created page with "This is a esolang that uses 2d syntax, plus orthogonal directions == The but == every direction command when you step on it it gets deleted == Commands == <>^v: direction commands I: get input and push it to stack ?: pops from stack and if that is 0 turn left >0
18:35:07 <esolangs> [[User:BestCoder]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138314&oldid=138303 * BestCoder * (+20)
18:35:33 <wWwwW> is it ready for the wiki korvo?
18:36:04 <korvo> wWwwW: I don't know. I don't think I am a good person to ask about that.
18:38:27 <esolangs> [[OTS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138315&oldid=138299 * Ractangle * (+71)
18:39:07 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138316&oldid=138236 * Ractangle * (+12)
18:40:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[Assembolge]] to [[User:Ractangle:Assembolge]]
18:41:10 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Ractangle:Assembolge]] to [[User:Ractangle/Assembolge]]
18:49:36 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Ractangle/Assembolge]] to [[User:Ractangle/iurgdytrh]]
18:50:01 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/iurgdytrh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138323&oldid=138321 * Ractangle * (+6)
18:54:36 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138324&oldid=138173 * Ractangle * (-9) /* Esolangs */
19:00:15 <esolangs> [[Markont]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138325&oldid=43106 * Ractangle * (+22) /* Example */
19:01:23 <esolangs> [[Randwork]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138326&oldid=51122 * Ractangle * (+22) /* External resources */
19:02:00 <esolangs> [[Expandable Quantum Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138327&oldid=59466 * Ractangle * (+22)
19:06:22 <esolangs> [[Algebraic Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138328&oldid=136046 * Ractangle * (+22) /* Sources */
19:07:15 <esolangs> [[Awib]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138329&oldid=88809 * Ractangle * (+22)
19:09:53 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138330&oldid=138294 * Yayimhere * (+181)
19:14:43 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck minus -]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138331&oldid=59759 * Ractangle * (+22) /* See also */
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19:17:01 <esolangs> [[FRAK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138333&oldid=125034 * Ractangle * (+23) /* External resources */
19:21:30 <esolangs> [[Doors]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138334&oldid=138332 * BestCoder * (+308)
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20:33:36 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138335&oldid=138312 * Xarthan * (+872) language overview
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20:53:50 <HackEso> olist <https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1310.html>: shachaf oerjan Sgeo boily nortti b_jonas Noisytoot
20:56:06 <b_jonas> Sgeo: fizzie had rang the obell earlier
21:01:43 <esolangs> [[OTS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138337&oldid=138315 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) .
21:02:35 <esolangs> [[Direction]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138338&oldid=138313 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+88) Categories
21:06:11 <esolangs> [[Timelang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138339&oldid=138301 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+162) Categories
21:24:16 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138340&oldid=138336 * Xarthan * (+40) fixed bit count mistake
21:27:24 <zzo38> How to securely specify that a self-signed X.509 certificate supersedes another self-signed X.509 certificate? Since a certificate contains a public key, presumably you could use that for security, but is there the way to use in this way, or will it be necessary to make up a new extension for this purpose?
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22:23:36 <user3456> zzo38: why not self sign a root cert and sign other certs with it
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22:59:41 <zzo38> Then what if you will want to revoke the root certificate?
23:00:26 <zzo38> Also, signing other certificates with a root certificate will not tell you that one certificate is intended to supersede another one.
23:15:49 <zzo38> (You could use the names to indicate this, although this won't help if the names will be changed or if the names are later used by someone else (with the same certificate authority), as well as the other reasons such as if you will want to revoke the root certificate for whatever reason)
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00:13:09 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138342&oldid=138279 * None1 * (+1) /* Example */
00:24:44 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138343&oldid=138340 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+158) Categories
00:27:03 <zzo38> I had consider how to make the "Common Data Format" of the operating system design. Perhaps it can be: 8-bits command code, 4-bits length type, 4-bits data type. The data types might be: 0=compound, 1=raw, 2=text, 3=reference, etc. (The number of bits allocated to each part also might be different, if this is consider to be not good enough)
00:30:59 <zzo38> What is your opinions of such a thing like that?
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00:36:59 <zzo38> One possible consideration that might be needed is if a container has an unknown length.
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02:18:48 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138352&oldid=138343 * Xarthan * (+259) added more opcodes
02:21:26 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138353&oldid=138352 * Xarthan * (+55) Clarified descriptions
02:32:05 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138354&oldid=138353 * Xarthan * (+290) memory-mapped I/O edits
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02:56:38 <zzo38> Is there a way in Linux, for a C program to call a function to save the user memory of the program in a way that can later be restored? File descriptors should not be saved, and user/group IDs should not be saved, etc.
03:00:42 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138357&oldid=138263 * PrySigneToFry * (+836)
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03:01:55 <zzo38> For example, it could be: int write_user_memory(int fd); Returns 1 if successful, 0 if just restored, or -1 if error.
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03:38:14 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138363&oldid=138362 * PrySigneToFry * (+847) /* */ new section
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04:19:15 <korvo> TIL about [[Template:Distinguish/Confusion]]; thanks PSDW for showing the way.
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04:40:51 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again4]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138368 * PrySigneToFry * (+585) Created page with "[[Translated ORK/PSTF Again3]] 1. Semi-product <pre> Leidse. swing swing swing My name is Joan of Arc Bonni. Avelis. This is a document. TantYachiukevkuchokera prays; In the camera, come on, come on, come on. swing Tippiene Aniza Retdak. </pre>
04:41:52 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138369&oldid=138140 * PrySigneToFry * (+46)
04:43:25 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138370&oldid=138366 * PrySigneToFry * (+713)
04:43:35 <zzo38> O, about my "Common Data Format", it seem that ASN.1 has a way of making indefinite length, so something like that could be used. Actually, it could be made more like ASN.1 in other ways too, e.g. instead of the length type and data type like that, can use one bit to indicate constructed or primitive like ASN.1 is doing.
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05:18:13 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Unknown computational class]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138372&oldid=138264 * Yayimhere * (+155)
05:20:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138373&oldid=138359 * Yayimhere * (+68) /* bring back the old sandbox war */
05:22:17 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138374&oldid=138373 * Yayimhere * (+187) /* bring back the old sandbox war */
05:54:15 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138375&oldid=138341 * Unname4798 * (+3)
06:01:02 <wWwwW> that every minimaztation of BF
06:01:44 <wWwwW> has a problem with that when you try to minimize < and > you always end up having one preserved and the second one changed but sstill the same number of commands
06:03:16 <esolangs> [[Brainhook]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138376&oldid=137976 * Yayimhere * (+1)
06:16:52 <wWwwW> am i stupid for working on burn now
06:22:41 <zzo38> Why do some HTTP servers send a compressed response even if the client does not request it?
06:31:18 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138377&oldid=137571 * Yayimhere * (+135) /* Burn */
06:31:50 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138378&oldid=138377 * Yayimhere * (-2098) /* BackFlip x sets */
06:31:57 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138379&oldid=138378 * Yayimhere * (-547) /* idea 1 */
06:32:09 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138380&oldid=138379 * Yayimhere * (-3188) /* idea 3 */
06:32:47 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138381&oldid=138380 * Yayimhere * (-609) /* math in ()NEST() */
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08:38:39 <b_jonas> zzo38: does that involve the HTTP 2 or 3 protocol? if so, I think allowing compression is assumed in those protocols even if it's not explicitly listed in the header. if not, I think I've seen at least one specialized server that still does that, with the justification that if you're downloading the large data involved uncompressed then you're just wasting everyone's bandwidth, and everyone has access
08:38:45 <b_jonas> to a zlib decompression implementation these days.
09:03:30 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138383&oldid=138355 * Ractangle * (+80) /* Befunge/>/*> */
09:05:36 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138384&oldid=138383 * Yayimhere * (+30)
09:36:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Ractangle/iurgdytrh]] to [[Input hello world or else:]]
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09:45:28 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138389&oldid=138324 * Ractangle * (+89)
09:46:53 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138390&oldid=138316 * Ractangle * (+13)
09:48:19 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138391&oldid=138306 * Yayimhere * (+44) /* syntax */
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09:50:06 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138393&oldid=138388 * Ractangle * (+112)
09:51:02 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138394&oldid=138392 * Yayimhere * (+44)
09:51:50 <esolangs> [[QuickLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138395&oldid=138349 * Ractangle * (+0) mispel
09:52:39 <esolangs> [[Talk:QuickLang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138396 * Ractangle * (+190) Created page with "good execution :thumbsup:~~~"
09:53:07 <esolangs> [[QuickLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138397&oldid=138395 * Ractangle * (+23)
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09:53:55 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138399&oldid=138394 * Yayimhere * (+59) /* syntax */
09:54:22 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138400&oldid=138399 * Yayimhere * (+42) /* ~~ hexadecimal format */
09:55:20 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138401&oldid=138400 * Yayimhere * (+17)
09:55:59 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138402&oldid=138401 * Yayimhere * (+0)
10:02:04 <esolangs> [[X]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138403&oldid=72690 * Ractangle * (+23)
10:03:04 <esolangs> [[Looping counter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138404&oldid=137713 * Ractangle * (-15) /* G# */
10:03:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138405&oldid=135450 * PkmnQ * (+2306) /* Some ideas */
10:03:46 <wWwwW> this guy is fr every esolang creator: https://xkcd.com/2309/
10:04:16 <esolangs> [[Empty Program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138406&oldid=138105 * Ractangle * (-15) /* G# */
10:04:39 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138407&oldid=137914 * Ractangle * (-15) /* G# */
10:12:30 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138408&oldid=138384 * Ractangle * (+65) /* CLFCE */
10:13:05 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138409&oldid=138408 * Ractangle * (-19) /* Befunge/>/*> */
10:13:49 <esolangs> [[Mildfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138410 * Yb1 * (+1332) Page created
10:16:00 <esolangs> [[Mildfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138411&oldid=138410 * Yb1 * (+13) fixed typo
10:22:36 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138412&oldid=138409 * Ractangle * (+103) /* MarioLANG */
10:24:09 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138413 * Unname4798 * (+425) Created page with "{{lang|a=User:Unname4798|f=[[Input hello world or else:]] but without a quine}} If you type: grrrrrrrrr It outputs: Are you angry? == Interpreters == === JS === <pre> var command = ""; /* Replace the empty string with user input */
10:24:21 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138414&oldid=138413 * Unname4798 * (+0)
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10:27:17 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138416&oldid=138415 * Unname4798 * (+35)
10:29:05 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138417&oldid=138416 * Unname4798 * (+32)
10:29:14 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138418&oldid=138417 * Unname4798 * (+0)
10:29:27 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138419&oldid=138418 * Unname4798 * (-1)
10:29:47 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Unname4798 * moved [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] to [[Input hello world or else without a quine]]
10:30:02 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138422&oldid=138421 * Unname4798 * (-45) Removed redirect to [[Input hello world or else without a quine]]
10:30:12 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138423&oldid=138422 * Unname4798 * (+0)
10:30:59 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138424&oldid=138423 * Unname4798 * (+45) Redirected page to [[Input hello world or else without a quine]]
10:31:31 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138425&oldid=138420 * Unname4798 * (+13)
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10:35:08 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138429&oldid=138428 * Unname4798 * (-20)
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10:41:42 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138432&oldid=138431 * Unname4798 * (+65)
10:48:05 <esolangs> [[User:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138433&oldid=138024 * Unname4798 * (+65)
10:53:00 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138434&oldid=138412 * Ractangle * (-60) /* /// */
10:59:02 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:/the file in questoin]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138435 * Ractangle * (+304) Created page with "the interpriter is an edited version of this code: from ast import While print("Hello world") answer=input("input hello world or else:") if answer == "hello world" : print("thanks for hello world") input("press
10:59:22 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:/the file in questoin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138436&oldid=138435 * Ractangle * (+14)
11:00:03 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138437&oldid=138393 * Ractangle * (+72)
11:00:25 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:/the file in questoin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138438&oldid=138436 * Ractangle * (+4)
11:00:39 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:/the file in questoin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138439&oldid=138438 * Ractangle * (+0)
11:01:55 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:/the file in questoin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138440&oldid=138439 * Ractangle * (+37)
11:21:23 <b_jonas> wWwwW: you want https://esolangs.org/wiki/WysiScript
11:22:43 <wWwwW> what question is dis for
11:24:41 <b_jonas> wWwwW: for https://xkcd.com/2309/
11:26:34 <wWwwW> ill go into implemtation and tyoe until there are no errors:)
11:26:44 <int-e> . o O ( https://wiki.haskell.org/Obfuscation#Example but worse )
11:37:27 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138441&oldid=138434 * Ractangle * (+102)
11:37:39 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138442&oldid=138441 * Ractangle * (+2) /* !!brainfeed */
11:38:30 <esolangs> [[!!Fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138443&oldid=131287 * Ractangle * (+8) /* Truth Machine */
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12:28:30 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138444&oldid=137481 * Yayimhere * (-501) /* one with no complexity(showed up to have complexity) */
12:30:03 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138445&oldid=138444 * Yayimhere * (-30) /* a step by step version */
12:34:36 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138446&oldid=138445 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* a step by step version */
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12:47:33 <wWwwW> what categories should dis have?:
12:47:33 <wWwwW> https://esolangs.org/wiki/RECT4n%3DGLE
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13:03:47 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138448&oldid=138446 * JJRubes * (+36) spelling and wording edits
13:11:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138449&oldid=92081 * Yayimhere * (+103)
13:15:42 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138450&oldid=138448 * JJRubes * (+125) add link to implementation
13:25:55 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138451&oldid=138442 * None1 * (+919)
13:26:34 <wWwwW> hey ais523 if u here. somenody made a RECT4n=GLE compiler! you can check it out on the page
13:30:23 <esolangs> [[Brain-Flak]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138452&oldid=115708 * None1 * (+18) /* Comments */
13:31:29 <esolangs> [[Comment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138453&oldid=138451 * None1 * (+14) /* Brain-Flak */
13:32:08 <esolangs> [[Comment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138454&oldid=138453 * None1 * (+26) /* See also */
13:32:36 <esolangs> [[Filename "xxx" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138455&oldid=135417 * Ractangle * (+39) /* Python */
13:33:48 <esolangs> [[Comment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138456&oldid=138454 * None1 * (+1) /* Brain-Flak */
13:34:22 <esolangs> [[Brain-Flak]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138457&oldid=138452 * None1 * (+1) /* Comments */
13:41:00 <esolangs> [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138458&oldid=138447 * None1 * (+57) /* Implementations */
13:41:47 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138459&oldid=138015 * None1 * (+15) /* My Implementations */
13:43:34 <esolangs> [[Eafh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138460&oldid=131391 * None1 * (+29)
13:43:55 <esolangs> [[Deadfih]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138461&oldid=134365 * None1 * (+28) /* Implementation */
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14:13:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Faustify * uploaded "[[File:Helloworld1.png]]": First part of a Blues++ implementation of Hello World.
14:14:18 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Faustify * uploaded "[[File:Helloworld2.png]]": Second part of a Blues++ implementation of Hello World
14:14:32 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Faustify * uploaded "[[File:Helloworld3.png]]": Third part of a Blues++ implementation of Hello World
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14:59:56 <korvo> wWwwW: I don't think it's stupid to look at Burn, but it's kind of surprising that somebody who isn't the original author would think that they can help remember how it works.
15:00:59 <wWwwW> my progress is stupid
15:01:06 <wWwwW> you can see it on my talk page ig
15:01:23 <korvo> I don't know. It reminds me of Prince's guitar licks. He was so certain that each and every little scrap of his music was worthy, so late in life he published a massive catalogue of random five-second snippets of guitar.
15:02:44 <korvo> I'm not saying that you should stop, nor that it's a stupid effort. I'm saying that it makes me think about the world.
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17:37:59 <ipadwwwww> im bored what esolang should i make?
17:38:52 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/FIsh&Chips]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138492&oldid=138491 * Ractangle * (+72)
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17:45:07 <ais523> <zzo38> Is there a way in Linux, for a C program to call a function to save the user memory of the program in a way that can later be restored? File descriptors should not be saved, and user/group IDs should not be saved, etc. ← not officially; old versions of Emacs used to do tha by dumping core, which makes the saving very easy, but restoring is much harder
17:46:14 <ais523> Linux *did* add a lot of new syscalls semi-recently to make restoring that sort of memory image possible, though, to the extent of doing things like setting the base address to the stack to the same location as in a previous run of the program (rather than choosing it randomly)
17:47:25 <korvo> As long as we're stepping outside of pure Linux, Capsicum can do that too.
17:47:53 <ais523> there are programs that are designed to do that sort of dumping and undumping from outside a process, like CRIU <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRIU>
17:48:04 <ais523> but that's a bit different from having a call for a process to dump itself
17:49:23 <esolangs> [[...]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138493&oldid=117989 * Ractangle * (-28) /* Interpreter */
17:49:33 <ais523> wow, that's quite impressive in the list of things it can save and restore
17:50:23 <ais523> "open, established TCP connections" are not something I had in mind as being saveable and restorable (of course, you have to do it quickly enough that the other side of the connection doesn't give up and time out)
17:50:38 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138494&oldid=137857 * Tommyaweosme * (+101)
17:51:10 <ipadwwwww> im bored what esolang should i make?( sorry for resend)
17:52:17 <ais523> you could try writing programs in existing esolangs, or interpreters for them
17:52:26 <ais523> that way you don't need a good idea to create something interesting
17:54:43 <ais523> <wWwwW> why is it that every minimaztation of BF has a problem with that when you try to minimize < and > you always end up having one preserved and the second one changed but sstill the same number of commands ← it's basically because >< does nothing in BF, so it's a great place for a minimization to work by adding side effects, you want >< to produce the side effect once so you have to add it to one of the movement directions but not the other
17:54:43 <b_jonas> they freeze all your friends and relatives with you so they aren't aged at all when you wake up, they recreate your half-finished steak dinner by frying a new slice of beef freshly and putting identical bitemarks in it with a replica of your teeth created from a mold, they adjust the planet's rotation and glue leaves back onto trees so you don't notice that the seasons have passed,
17:56:13 <ipadwwwww> this was realted cuz i was making a bf minimalization
17:56:33 <ipadwwwww> dis is it: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainhook
17:56:50 <b_jonas> they remove the batteries from all your portable devices so that they don't get damaged by leaking acid, then put back new but partially drained batteries painted identically when they awaken you, they clone your dog and use smell samples from your clothes to train her to accept you as her master,
17:57:31 <ais523> OK, quick "is this TC" puzzle (I don't know the answer): BF where >+ and <- are commands but > + < - individually aren't
17:58:20 <b_jonas> ais523: what? wouldn't that always leave the tape state like 1 1 ... 1 1 (head) 0 0 ...
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17:59:05 <b_jonas> because you said >+ and <- instead of >+ and -<
17:59:06 <ais523> no, you can alternate between them to create more of a difference
17:59:11 <ais523> you're probably thinking of >+ and -<, right
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17:59:45 <ais523> what if you ignore every second cell on the tape, allowing it to have an arbitrary value and never loop-testing it
18:00:07 <ais523> then decrement becomes >< and increment becomes <>, I think that trivially makes it TC
18:00:36 <ais523> yep, right is >>>< and left is <<<> and then we have a simple translation back to BF
18:00:58 <ais523> I do like the symmetry, though
18:02:00 <b_jonas> that doesn't work in the BF flavor where overflowing or underflowing a cell raises undefined behavior
18:02:57 <ais523> I noticed that, but decided it wasn't worth mentioning because very few BF implementations work like that
18:03:06 <ais523> they're nearly all either bignum or wrwap
18:03:44 <ais523> I think the closest you get to something like that is Brainpocalypse (where underflow isn't UB but does have weird side effects)
18:03:51 <b_jonas> this works even if underflow or underflow leaves arbitrary value in the cell you're crementing
18:04:25 <ais523> now I have to work out if we both coined "crement" as a verb independently or if you copied it from me – either way it's a bit surprising
18:04:39 <ais523> I guess it's a fairly obvious coinage?
18:04:43 <ipadwwwww> ive made,my smallest bf minimilazation yet
18:04:55 <b_jonas> I copied it from elsewhere
18:05:45 <korvo> ipadwwwww: It's worth understanding that Brainfuck is already minimal over a certain kind of infinite-register machine. So taking features away from it is going to usually result in something that is fundamentally no longer about registers.
18:06:11 <korvo> I dumped a bunch of information related to this at [[Algebraic Brainfuck]] FWIW.
18:07:41 <korvo> Also, on a personal note: don't think of yourself as stupid, just not yet researched. With time and careful reading, anybody can get into this stuff. Maths is always frustrating because it's about shortcuts and ways of thinking; it's not obvious, but must be taught.
18:07:42 <ais523> korvo: what about messing with the control flow (e.g. Brainpocalypse, Brainpocalypse II)?
18:08:15 <int-e> b_jonas: I imagine it's still TC for relatively small ranged of signed integers; you can control the growth of values by periodically copying things to the right. Bitwise Cyclic Tag might be a good target for getting a really small range.
18:08:35 <ipadwwwww> also i have nothing else to make fun of ._.
18:09:14 <ais523> OK, now I am wondering how many pairs of brackets are needed to make non-bignum BF TC
18:09:26 <ais523> (with bignum BF you can do it with two pairs, which have to be nested for obvious reasons)
18:10:12 <korvo> ais523: I think both cases give us a finite-register machine?
18:10:35 <int-e> Just ...[...[...]...]? Hmm.
18:10:40 <ais523> korvo: Brainpocalypse II is definitely a finite register machine; the original Brainpocalypse is less obvious
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18:11:08 <ipadwwwww> brainfuck but it hates you even more
18:11:54 <b_jonas> huh, I thought the minimal number of brainfuck brackets was already solved for non-bignum
18:12:02 <korvo> ipadwwwww: It might interest you that Brainfuck was never meant to be painful. It directly inherits from Corrado Böhm's P", which itself was intended to simplify Turing machines.
18:12:41 <korvo> Practical macro-based Brainfuck programming is slightly difficult, but not much harder than other handcoded assembly programs.
18:13:04 <int-e> b_jonas: I only remember work on the minimal nesting level
18:13:11 <ais523> korvo: and the fun thing there is that P'' was minimised to start with, with one of +- being combined with one of <>
18:13:14 <korvo> Oh. Why? I'm not against BDSM but I'm curious about motivations.
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18:13:58 <korvo> ais523: Yeah. Same thing that showed up in the semantics. I think it might be a sort of natural ring-ish situation, but I haven't proven anything about it. Proving facts about machines is hard and unfun.
18:14:24 <b_jonas> korvo: no, Böhm has independently preinvented Brainfuck.
18:14:38 <b_jonas> it's not really inheritance, it's more like parallle evolution
18:14:42 <korvo> Ah, they left before I could mention the classics [[Malbolge]] and [[INTERCAL]].
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18:14:46 <b_jonas> convergent evolution or something
18:15:20 <korvo> Wasn't Brainfuck from an Amiga hacker? But also yeah, Böhm definitely wasn't credited during his lifetime appropriately.
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18:15:41 <ais523> korvo: INTERCAL does have some places where it's intentionally difficult, e.g. not having 32-bit numerical constants, but the restrictions are fairly minor
18:16:04 <ais523> and I think they're intended more to make programs look scarier/harder to read than they are to make programs harder to write
18:17:09 <ais523> there's a quote from the designers about how the way you initialise a 32-bit integer variable is intentionallly stupid, in order to make people look silly when they try to explain that it's the simplest way (but worded better than that)
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18:17:38 <int-e> the constant interleave/select dance (for example to add two numbers) is annoying
18:18:14 <int-e> trintercal made a good point though
18:18:21 <ais523> INTERCAL's arithmetic only really shines in cases where you use selects to do something other than reversing the mingles
18:18:36 <int-e> people *know* how boolean logic works and how to use it to do math
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18:19:14 <ais523> that said, mingles did have their one moment of glory in that FFT algorithm
18:19:35 <korvo> ipadwwwww: Welcome back. I was going to mention [[Malbolge]], which *is* designed to be difficult to write code for. [[INTERCAL]] is another classic, and its humor might appeal to you.
18:19:39 <ais523> (and INTERCAL's select is a processor instruction on x86-64 nowadays, although they probably didn't borrow it from there)
18:20:10 <ais523> the inverse of select is also a processor instruction on x86-64, which can be used to get an efficient mingle
18:20:11 <korvo> These have something amazing in common that Brainfuck doesn't: we think that writing correct Malbolge or INTERCAL programs is computationally hard. Like, IIRC Malbolge is NP-hard?
18:20:13 <int-e> and oerjan's unlambda interpreter used a linear shift register as a counter (incrementing a heap pointer for allocations, all IIRC)
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18:20:33 <ais523> korvo: I don't think writing correct INTERCAL programs is computationally hard
18:21:04 <ais523> and Malbolge has been cracked to the extent that compilers into it exist
18:21:06 <int-e> intercal came with a standard library that provided common operations like addition
18:21:10 <korvo> ais523: I thought that there was something about multiple-entry blocks and computing where to place PLEASEs. I freely confess I actively avoided learning INTERCAL.
18:21:17 <int-e> it has sane subroutines; that alone will make translation easy
18:21:25 <int-e> malbolge is quite different
18:21:59 <ais523> korvo: the compiler just checks that the PLEASE proportion is in the range 1/5 to 1/3 inclusive, you can fulfil that requirement by placing a PLEASE on the third, seventh, eleventh, fifteenth, etc. statement
18:22:02 <int-e> There are no restrictions on where you can PLEASE the compiler.
18:22:35 <int-e> The stupidest thing is that you have to cover all paths to check whether you suffered from the random compiler bug.
18:22:40 <ais523> it might be fun to base it on the ratio of statements executed (continuously evaluated) rather than the ratio of statements in the source, that would be much more confusing to think about
18:22:47 <int-e> (which C-INTERCAL allows you to disable)
18:23:06 <ais523> it kind-of has to be disabled to be able to write reliable test suites
18:23:14 <korvo> Ah, I didn't know PLEASE was a static requirement. I thought it *was* measured line-by-line, like some sort of demented BASIC runtime counter.
18:23:16 <ais523> I think all the compilers that have that let you turn it off, including the original
18:23:39 <ais523> although CLC-INTERCAL has two random compiler bugs with different probabilities, and different options to disable each of them
18:23:58 <int-e> I fondly remember the circuitious diagram.
18:24:32 <int-e> I should check the prononciation of that word!
18:24:43 <ais523> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:INTERCAL_Circuitous_Diagram.svg
18:25:04 <int-e> Yeah I was pronouncing it wrong, mentally. It's not that I've ever used it in speech...
18:26:21 <ais523> I had heard it used in other contexts earlier, so I knew how it was pronounced – but it's not like people would be likely to guess it from the spelling
18:27:59 <ais523> it reminds me of English place names, they nearly all have pronunciations that are very abbreviated compared to their spelling and would be hard to guess for a foreigner, but after a while you start to see patterns – and then a name like "Cirencester" comes along which is, unexpectedly, pronounced pretty similarly to how it is spelled and confuses everyone
18:28:17 <ais523> (compare to, e.g., "Leicester" which is pronounced "lester")
18:29:28 <int-e> why did I misspell "pronunciation"
18:29:45 <ais523> it is a hard word to spell, I had to look it up and I hardly ever have to do that
18:30:05 <ais523> in particular the spelling does not exactly match "pronounce"
18:31:11 <ais523> (I do make quite a lot of spelling errors, but the vast majority are typos rather than not knowing the correct spelling, or typing homophones because for some reason my brain works by converting words into sound and then back into letters when I type them)
18:31:26 <int-e> It's a word I've actually learned to spell though. So it's mostly sloppiness.
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18:50:56 <zzo38> I noticed that the mmap function has flags MAP_GROWSDOWN and MAP_STACK for stacks; if combining with MAP_FIXED and with assembly code, can it be used to restore the stacks? Hopefully a library can be made with handles stuff specific to instruction sets and operating systems, and the application program only needs to call the function to save the state.
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20:56:14 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138525&oldid=138520 * Ractangle * (+11) /* *python */
20:58:56 <esolangs> [[*python]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138526&oldid=138524 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+53) Categories
21:00:31 <esolangs> [[Brainhooking]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138527&oldid=138497 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+89) Lowercase, stub, categories
21:01:17 <esolangs> [[Brainhook]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138528&oldid=138376 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+33) See also
21:01:45 <esolangs> [[Brainhooking]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138529&oldid=138527 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+85) Categories
21:02:49 <esolangs> [[1066]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138530&oldid=138490 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+41) Category
21:02:53 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138531&oldid=138525 * Ractangle * (+83) /* Python */
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21:39:31 <esolangs> [[Gd auto level]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138532 * Tommyaweosme * (+1090) Created page with "{{lowercase}} gd auto level is a two-dimensional thematic programming model made by [[user:tommyaweosme]]. == how it works == o player spawn - ground every tick the player moves forward. tick 1: o --- tick 2: o --- tick 3: o --- tick 4: -
21:40:23 <esolangs> [[Gd auto level]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138533&oldid=138532 * Tommyaweosme * (+3) minor fixes
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22:11:08 <esolangs> [[Brainpocalypse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138534&oldid=114584 * Ais523 * (-1) /* See also */ remove a use of the language's name in the wrong part of a sentence
22:16:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138535&oldid=138405 * Ais523 * (+835) /* Likely b1 */ this jogged my memory a bit
22:23:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138536&oldid=138535 * Ais523 * (+104) /* Likely b1 */ clarify
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02:11:05 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138537&oldid=138450 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) Category
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04:31:55 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138538&oldid=138381 * Yayimhere * (+147) /* Burn */
04:32:32 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138539&oldid=138538 * Yayimhere * (-1) /* Burn */
04:43:31 <esolangs> [[Trainhooking]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138540 * Yayimhere * (+768) Created page with "'''Trainhooking''' is [[Brainhooking]] but only ONE INSTRUCTION. its also made by [[User:Yayimhere]]. the change is: loop is gone and now the <code>+(''n'')</code> is <code>+(''n'')[''k'']</code> which will afterwards check if the cell is negative(after applying t
04:43:43 <esolangs> [[Trainhooking]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138541&oldid=138540 * Yayimhere * (+1) /* TC proof */
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04:57:02 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138542&oldid=138503 * Ractangle * (+19)
05:22:24 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Unname4798 * moved [[Gd auto level]] to [[GD auto level]]
05:25:11 <esolangs> [[GD auto level]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138545&oldid=138543 * Unname4798 * (-3)
05:29:26 <esolangs> [[Complex StackBeat]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138546 * Ractangle * (+239) Created page with "{{stub}} '''Complex StackBeat''' is a version of [[StackBeat]] where it includes other stuff in ByteBeat created by [[User:Ractangle]] ==Syntax== {{cd|T}}:{{cd|<nowiki>||</nowiki>}} operator <br>{{cd|F}}:{{cd|<nowiki>&&</nowiki>}} operator"
05:35:06 <esolangs> [[Complex StackBeat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138547&oldid=138546 * Ractangle * (+142) /* Syntax */
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06:24:10 <Sgeo> microinstruction memory produces an instruction and the address of its successor NEXT[O-n
06:24:10 <Sgeo> This successor address may be modified by merging bits into it under control of the function
06:24:10 <Sgeo> fields of the current microinstruction. This limited branching capability makes coding more
06:24:10 <Sgeo> difficult than with a more general scheme, but not seriously so, as examples of microcode
06:24:11 <Sgeo> demonstrate. "
06:24:14 <Sgeo> https://bitsavers.org/pdf/xerox/alto/Alto_Hardware_Manual_Aug76.pdf
06:24:18 <Sgeo> This feels esolangy
06:31:15 <esolangs> [[GD auto level]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138548&oldid=138545 * Ractangle * (+62)
06:34:07 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138549&oldid=138526 * Ractangle * (+76)
06:35:28 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138550&oldid=138549 * Ractangle * (+1)
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07:27:12 <esolangs> [[GD auto level]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138551&oldid=138548 * Unname4798 * (-23) this isn't a language, this is a model
07:27:28 <esolangs> [[GD auto level]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138552&oldid=138551 * Unname4798 * (+0)
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08:09:31 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138553&oldid=138550 * Ractangle * (-1) /* Syntax */
08:09:54 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138554&oldid=138553 * Ractangle * (+34) /* Syntax */
08:10:54 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138555&oldid=138554 * Ractangle * (+9) /* Hello, world! */
08:14:36 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138556&oldid=138555 * Ractangle * (+31) /* Syntax */
08:15:19 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138557&oldid=138556 * Ractangle * (+17) /* Syntax */
08:23:37 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138558&oldid=138557 * Ractangle * (+41) /* Syntax */
08:33:34 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138559&oldid=138558 * Ractangle * (+200) /* Examples */
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09:50:09 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138560&oldid=138559 * Ractangle * (+89) /* Syntax */
09:52:38 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138561&oldid=138560 * Ractangle * (-31) /* Syntax */
10:46:15 <esolangs> [[Complex StackBeat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138562&oldid=138547 * Ractangle * (+5)
10:56:40 <wib_jonas> drat. I wrote a tsort, but it actually found a loop. now I have to modify this to work as an almost-tsort that can handle a few loops.
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11:00:40 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138563&oldid=138370 * None1 * (+3) /* */ i realized what i mean was the polar opposite of what i write
11:02:52 <wib_jonas> (or cheat by modifying the input, but that's not a long-term solution)
11:05:29 <esolangs> [[Numlist]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138564&oldid=120173 * None1 * (-1)
11:10:29 <esolangs> [[No.js]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138565&oldid=126237 * None1 * (+112) /* Examples */
11:12:29 <esolangs> [[No.js]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138566&oldid=138565 * None1 * (+64) /* Hello, World! */
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11:45:43 <esolangs> [[Translated Aheui]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138567 * None1 * (+1609) Created page with "{{Lang|a=User:None1}}. It is [[Aheui]] but horribly translated: ==Steps== 1. Take this program (as an example): <pre> </pre> 2. Translate: Baidu: Korean -> Indonesian Microsoft: Indonesian -> Classical Chinese Baidu: Classical Chinese -> Hebrew Micr
11:47:40 <esolangs> [[Translated Aheui]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138568&oldid=138567 * None1 * (-1)
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11:50:15 <esolangs> [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138569&oldid=138458 * None1 * (+66) /* Implementations */
11:50:28 <esolangs> [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138570&oldid=138569 * None1 * (+0) /* Implementations */
11:50:52 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138571&oldid=138459 * None1 * (+16) /* My Implementations */
11:56:32 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138572&oldid=138012 * None1 * (+66) /* Horribly translated variants */
11:56:53 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138573&oldid=138571 * None1 * (+66)
11:57:15 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138574&oldid=138573 * None1 * (+0) /* My Implementations */
11:58:42 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138575&oldid=138537 * Yayimhere * (-21) /* example programs */
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12:28:13 <esolangs> [[Rings]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138576&oldid=106997 * Ardemit * (-307) Language version 0.2.0
12:33:37 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138577&oldid=126461 * None1 * (+0) /* 16 */
12:34:28 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138578&oldid=138577 * None1 * (-11) /* 16 */
12:35:25 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138579&oldid=138578 * None1 * (+5) /* 16 */
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13:00:41 <esolangs> [[.chat]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138580 * Yayimhere * (+1074) Created page with "'''.chat''' pronounced dot chat is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] combining the concepts of the node alphabet, [[Tag System]]'s, and [[Number Seventy-Four]] == memory == memory is a datastring that can hold this circular alphabet(order is preserved): <code>{A,
13:05:19 <esolangs> [[.chat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138581&oldid=138580 * Yayimhere * (+0)
13:05:31 <esolangs> [[.chat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138582&oldid=138581 * Yayimhere * (-1)
13:14:29 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138583&oldid=138579 * None1 * (+16) /* 20 */
13:16:41 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138584&oldid=138583 * None1 * (+0) /* Truth Machine */
13:17:11 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138585&oldid=138584 * None1 * (+0) /* 16 */ I thought it was 2000
13:24:07 <esolangs> [[ProjectEuler]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138586 * None1 * (+31) Make non-userspace link to project euler
13:24:39 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138587&oldid=138585 * None1 * (+17) /* Project Euler */
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13:27:27 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138588&oldid=138587 * None1 * (+3504) /* Intepreters */
13:28:52 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138589&oldid=138588 * None1 * (+27) /* Cat Program */
13:31:36 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138590&oldid=138589 * None1 * (+12) /* Cat Program */
13:35:09 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138591&oldid=138590 * None1 * (+412) /* Intepreters */
13:37:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:Ting Vit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138592&oldid=133333 * Xyzzy * (+585)
13:37:50 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/20]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138593&oldid=137145 * None1 * (+16) /* I fuck, you fuck */
13:37:54 <esolangs> [[User talk:Xyzzy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138594&oldid=127216 * Xyzzy * (+124)
13:40:12 <esolangs> [[VERPNL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138595 * Xyzzy * (+232) Created page with "{{Stub}}{{WIP}} VERPNL stands for Vietnamese "Extendable" Reverse Polish Notation Language. The specific meaning of "Extendable" is not specified, but the language idea and name is created 6 months ago and now I'm creating the page."
13:41:27 <esolangs> [[User:Xyzzy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138596&oldid=110822 * Xyzzy * (+88)
13:43:03 <esolangs> [[.chat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138597&oldid=138582 * Yayimhere * (-1)
13:44:30 <esolangs> [[.chat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138598&oldid=138597 * Yayimhere * (+45)
13:50:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:Isomorphism]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138599 * Xyzzy * (+0) Created blank page
14:09:26 <esolangs> [[Rings]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138600&oldid=138576 * Ardemit * (+40) Clarified instructions are case-insensitive
14:10:57 <esolangs> [[VERPNL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138601&oldid=138595 * Xyzzy * (+1431)
14:10:59 <esolangs> [[Mepytaruon]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138602&oldid=94057 * Ardemit * (-222) The interpreter is no longer public
14:12:07 <esolangs> [[User:Xyzzy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138603&oldid=138596 * Xyzzy * (+97)
14:12:38 <esolangs> [[User:Xyzzy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138604&oldid=138603 * Xyzzy * (+6)
14:13:49 <esolangs> [[.chat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138605&oldid=138598 * Yayimhere * (+13)
14:21:39 <esolangs> [[Talk:VERPNL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138606 * Xyzzy * (+120) Created page with "You are free to contribrute to this page --~~~~"
14:22:11 <esolangs> [[.chat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138607&oldid=138605 * Yayimhere * (+61)
14:22:55 <esolangs> [[VERPNL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138608&oldid=138601 * Xyzzy * (+153)
14:22:59 <esolangs> [[.chat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138609&oldid=138607 * Yayimhere * (+45)
14:23:55 <wWwwW> why is xkcd and esolangs involved so much???
14:29:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:Scratch is dumb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138610&oldid=133983 * Xyzzy * (+204)
14:34:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:Scratch is dumb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138611&oldid=138610 * None1 * (+351)
14:35:55 <esolangs> [[.chat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138612&oldid=138609 * Yayimhere * (+1)
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14:50:54 <wWwwW> what esiolang should i make?
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15:53:27 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138613&oldid=138542 * Ractangle * (+12)
15:55:39 <esolangs> [[Trainhooking]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138614&oldid=138541 * Ractangle * (+57)
15:55:51 <esolangs> [[Trainhooking]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138615&oldid=138614 * Ractangle * (+0) /* is this the smallest BF minimilazation? */
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16:32:24 <esolangs> [[ArnoldC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138616&oldid=102554 * Ractangle * (+113) /* Conventions */
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17:39:35 <wWwwW> hey guys i made dis:
17:39:36 <wWwwW> https://esolangs.org/wiki/.chat
17:52:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798/vector.css]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138617 * Unname4798 * (+24) Created page with "pre { overflow:auto; }"
17:53:42 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798/vector.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138618&oldid=138617 * Unname4798 * (+0) Unname4798 changed the content model of the page [[User talk:Unname4798/vector.css]] from "wikitext" to "CSS"
17:53:42 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/contentmodel]] change * Unname4798 * Unname4798 changed the content model of the page [[User talk:Unname4798/vector.css]] from "wikitext" to "CSS"
17:53:57 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Unname4798 * moved [[User talk:Unname4798/vector.css]] to [[User:Unname4798/vector.css]]
17:58:23 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * PiggyPigCute * New user account
18:02:05 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138621&oldid=138130 * PiggyPigCute * (+197) hi
18:02:47 <b_jonas> stupid question, why does Linux have an mlock2 system call, why isn't the interface just new advise types to madvise?
18:04:02 <esolangs> [[User:PiggyPigCute]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138622 * PiggyPigCute * (+161) that's me :)
18:08:49 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138623 * Yayimhere * (+910) Created page with "'''2 Player''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its a 2d esolang with two pointers: the data and code pointer. they both move starting going left in the upper left corner of the program == commands == {| class="wikitable" |+ commands |- ! command !! descrip
18:19:50 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138624&oldid=138613 * Yayimhere * (+15)
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18:33:13 <esolangs> [[User:PiggyPig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138625&oldid=129299 * PiggyPigCute * (+15) i'm the second account of PiggyPig :)
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18:34:01 <esolangs> [[FallDown]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138626 * PiggyPigCute * (+1773) Page Creation
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18:46:29 <korvo> b_jonas: Because Google keeps paying for new syscalls instead of adopting memory-safe programming practices.
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18:51:52 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Ractangle/bat unresponsive]] to [[(x]]
19:03:09 <b_jonas> korvo: wait, is that like when CPU manufacturers design instruction set extensions such that they can say a high number in marketing for how many new instructions they support, or calculators that have "242 functions" written on their packaging material?
19:06:44 <esolangs> [[(x]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138629&oldid=138627 * Ractangle * (-140)
19:10:09 <korvo> b_jonas: Wow, that's an interesting analogy. I'll have to think about that, thanks.
19:11:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[(x]] to [[User:Ractangle/(x]]
19:12:36 <int-e> Hmm, tangential to that... I'm wondering whether AVX-512 was introduced so that after switching to 64 byte cache lines, you once again have operations that operate on a whole cache line's worth of data at a time.
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19:16:13 <b_jonas> I think it was introduced so that by the time we have CPUs with execution units 64 bytes wide we already have the compilers and other tools to support them working. it's better than releasing new CPUs that perform twice as fast in theoretical measurement but no programs that you'll ever see use that extra capability.
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23:33:52 <zzo38> Is there a way with the "openssl" command to connect and send a client hello message and then display the server's messages and extensions but then to send an error code and not begin the application protocol? I will just want to see what extensions and other features the server will send, e.g. if it requests a client certificate, what parameters are included in the request.
23:39:01 <zzo38> If it requests a client certificate and what the parameters are, is specifically what I intended to check.
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23:55:29 <zzo38> It only says "No client certificate CA names sent". I know the server accepts client certificates (and it accepts self-signed certificates, so a certificate authority is not needed), but what I want to know is what key types and signature types the server claims are acceptable.
23:57:41 <Sgeo> I have no idea how to use Smalltalk-72
23:57:50 <Sgeo> There's a manual, I should probably... read it
23:58:51 <Sgeo> I'm still boggling at the idea of just... having different CPU architectures for different languages, and making the CPU emulate different ones, and... switching OSes to a rewritten version just to run a program in a different language
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03:53:03 <korvo> Sgeo: Biological metaphors might help. Kay was fascinated by what's known as the "central dogma" of genetics: a strand of DNA is encoded instructions to a certain kind of protein.
03:53:48 <korvo> It turns out that there's more than one encoding and also that DNA isn't the only encoding medium. I imagine Kay was thinking of the same sort of change-of-encoding situation.
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08:59:10 <wib_jonas> HTML question. Do browsers these days have some built-in CSS stuff to make the column widths of a table resizable by the user, such as by dragging the borders in the header row, or is this only available as client-side scripts?
09:02:02 <wib_jonas> hmm, there's a CSS property called resize. I'll have to test that.
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09:40:10 <esolangs> [[User talk:B4K3D]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138673 * B4k3d * (+39) Created page with "Hi can't wait to sumbit my eso-slang ;D"
09:45:04 <esolangs> [[User:B4k3d]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138674 * B4k3d * (+112) Created page with "> Refining syntax > formal specification > custom interpreter or compiler for programs > will provide examples"
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14:50:57 <wWwwW> i had an idea to make a esolang based on turnabelism
14:54:04 <korvo> Sure. Have you seen the various notations that have been invented in the past couple decades?
14:54:43 <wWwwW> its a pretty weird idea
14:55:25 <wWwwW> you have too tapes or whatever
14:55:31 <wWwwW> with looping marks n' stuff
14:55:58 <wWwwW> and recors onto another tape
14:59:40 <wWwwW> and if there becomes an over record(so we dont stop in time) we will rterecord
15:07:52 <korvo> wWwwW: One notation is DJ Radar's notation; I gather that it's used to teach at Berklee but can't find any details online.
15:07:58 <korvo> Another is S-notation: https://www.tenor-conference.org/proceedings/2016/07_Sonnenfeld_tenor2016.pdf
15:09:11 <wWwwW> i would like to make mi own(cuz i hate myself) but oh well
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15:10:46 <korvo> wWwwW: Well, what's the goal?
15:11:59 <korvo> It might surprise you to learn that many of us have specific aims when creating new languages. For example, I do PLT research and I call some projects "esoteric" so that I don't have to argue about what's "practical" or "marketable".
15:12:33 <korvo> Several folks are working on fundamentals of computability theory. Some folks want to make languages that are difficult to use. Some folks are making art.
15:12:40 <wWwwW> my goal is to have something to do cuz im always bored cuz im a loner:(
15:12:56 <wWwwW> my goal is to keep myself sane ig:)
15:13:26 <korvo> Oh! Try Touhou. You will not be bored but you might lose some sanity.
15:14:00 <wWwwW> oh no im not a gamer
15:14:08 <wWwwW> also i cant play it cuz i use old puter
15:14:09 <korvo> There's nothing wrong with recreational conlangs, but keep in mind that languages are for *communicating*. It might not be the best solo activity.
15:14:46 <wWwwW> for me esolangs are
15:15:38 <wWwwW> but non esolang's are like that yea
15:17:40 <korvo> No worries. As long as you're having fun and following community guidelines, we invite folks to make art and experiment.
15:19:57 * sprout idly wonders what a recreational conlang is
15:35:02 <wWwwW> anyway is my esolang idea good korvo
15:35:09 <wWwwW> and can i get some help
15:36:01 <korvo> wWwwW: That's why I asked what your goal is.
15:36:39 <wWwwW> well now you know ig:)
15:38:25 <sprout> I don't see why an esolang would need a goal?
16:04:39 <sprout> wWwwW: my only advice is to start with something tiny
16:05:20 <sprout> since it probably won't be used by anyone it's usually not worth the effort to invest a lot of time into a language
16:06:36 <wWwwW> time doest matter to me lol
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16:44:09 <wWwwW> what would happen ona computer if you fr just adeed two things that are underfined together?
16:44:12 <wWwwW> like just did that
16:44:16 <wWwwW> with no care in the world
16:44:24 <wWwwW> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN?
16:49:51 <korvo> How do you have something undefined on a computer?
16:50:18 <wWwwW> like lets say python where you do a + b but none of them are defined??
16:50:25 <wWwwW> BUT YOU JUST LET IT HAPPEN
16:50:36 <wWwwW> without gigving an error?
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17:55:04 <korvo> wWwwW: It might be hard to think about, but technically a CPU never has undefined behavior. Similarly, every Python name refers to some object, and Python's VM defines their interactions.
17:55:30 <wWwwW> so what would happen
17:55:35 <wWwwW> wouæd i just get garbage?
17:55:46 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138720&oldid=138719 * Ractangle * (+17) /* Syntax */
17:56:19 <korvo> wWwwW: I'm asking you how the situation arises in the first place.
17:59:54 <wWwwW> well i said. but now when you say that
18:00:00 <wWwwW> it wouldnt be undefined
18:00:44 <korvo> In Python, it's not possible to get into this situation without manually writing bytecode. The VM will LOAD_FAST both `a` and `b`, then BINARY_OP them with `+`.
18:01:17 <korvo> The typical CPU can't really do this either. If you ask it to ADD two registers, then it'll do that regardless of whether you put values into those registers.
18:02:06 <korvo> When folks say that a behavior is undefined, they are usually being *epistemic*, not *ontic*. They're talking about *what we know* about the CPU, not *what it actually does*.
18:03:14 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138721&oldid=138699 * Ractangle * (+55) /* Languages with halting instructions/infinite loops */
18:05:05 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138722&oldid=138721 * Ractangle * (+35) /* ////Thue/Expansion */
18:07:05 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138723&oldid=138722 * Ractangle * (+9) /* ////Thue/Expansion/A=B */
18:08:37 <wWwwW> and another question
18:08:39 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138724&oldid=138723 * Ractangle * (+17) /* Languages with halting instructions/infinite loops */
18:10:25 <wWwwW> and that is what if you just let the CPU do whatever
18:12:07 <zzo38> I think some instructions in 6502 are unstable, although this is different from the undefined behaviour in programming languages such as C.
18:17:22 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138725&oldid=138724 * Ractangle * (+161) /* ////Thue/Expansion/A=B */
18:19:00 <korvo> wWwwW: Then you get what we call a "weird machine": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weird_machine
18:19:19 <korvo> Even here, though, we see that the CPU tends to enter stable "weird states" which are programmable with "weird instructions".
18:20:02 <wWwwW> i would like to see a esolang like dis
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18:21:57 <wWwwW> imma make a weirdmachie rn
18:26:24 <wWwwW> how would you do it?
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18:35:11 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138728&oldid=138727 * Ractangle * (+8) /* Interpreter */
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18:42:42 <korvo> wWwwW83: Weird machines usually arise from security vulnerabilities. To start building an understanding, maybe look up heap-spraying attacks in Web browsers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heap_spraying
18:43:19 <korvo> The instructions normally would be interpreted as allocating objects in a loop. But they are actually weird instructions for confusing the underlying garbage collector.
18:44:50 <wWwwW83> wouldnt that be [-] for currentm cell in bf(lol?)
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19:18:52 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138733&oldid=138731 * Ractangle * (+114) /* Examples */
19:19:01 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138734&oldid=138733 * Ractangle * (+1) /* =Move data from a cell to an another cell */
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21:42:02 <ais523> <korvo> wWwwW: It might be hard to think about, but technically a CPU never has undefined behavior. ← I'm not convinced I agree – many CPUs have instructions documented as having behaviour that isn't defined in all circumstances, and in some cases (e.g. the 6502) the behaviour is not consistent in practice either
21:43:46 <ais523> although there are also cases where the behaviour is documented as undefined, but is in fact 100% consistent, and the manufacturer has kept it consistent for compatibility reasons even though it would be more efficient to change it
21:44:20 <ais523> e.g. on x86/x86-64, BSF on a register holds 0 (documented as undefined by Intel, and as leaving the register unchanged by AMD – Intel's behaviour in practice is the same as AMD's)
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21:44:51 <ais523> but there are plenty of cases where the behaviour depends on analog effects, and those in turn can depend on noise
21:46:43 <ais523> also I think most CPUs can't get into a state where a register doesn't have a value – but it's quite common to get "open bus" behaviour when older CPUs attempt to read a memory address that doesn't correspond to physical memory
21:47:44 <ais523> which typically returns some value that was recently read or written using the same wires, or some default value if they weren't recently used, but in between you get a mix and the length of time it takes to go from one state to the other varies based on analog factors
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23:13:38 <b_jonas> Yeah. Also, not undefined behavior, but x86 has a bunch of cases for old instructions where the documentation says that some or all of the arithmetic FLAGS bits are left with an undefined value. This can happen with at least AND, OR, XOR, TEST; SHR, SAL, SAR, ROL, ROR, RCL, RCR; MUL, IMUL, DIV, IDIV; BT, BTR, BTS, BTC; BSF, BSR; AAA, AAS, AAD, AAM, DAA, DAS. That's almost every old instruction that can
23:13:44 <b_jonas> modify the arithmetic bits in the flags, except for ADD, ADC, SUB, SBB, CMP, INC, DEC; CMC, CLC, STC; SAHF, and the ones that load the entire FLAGS or EFLAGS. Newer instructions usually avoid this sort of undefined result.
23:14:45 <ais523> I actually don't know what those instructions do to the flags in practice, nor whether or not it's consistent
23:15:27 <ais523> BSF leaving the register unchanged is an interesting problem for compiler writers, though, because if you choose to rely on that behaviour you can make the asm considerably simpler and less branchy
23:15:35 <ais523> but, it's relying on UB
23:15:46 <ais523> LLVM chooses not to rely on the UB, at least when compiling Rust
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23:19:57 <b_jonas> ais523: wait, that is UB? I thought that was documented, but I also thought it was usually not worth to use on modern CPUs, which specifically add a prefixed variant for BSF and BSR with very different opcodes that does not do that to avoid the extra dependency on the old value of the register
23:21:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Scratch is dumb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138749&oldid=138705 * None1 * (+266)
23:22:48 <b_jonas> or do you mean using the undefined behavior offered by the source language (eg. C) low-level function?
23:22:50 <ais523> b_jonas: it's UB on Intel but not AMD, according to the docs
23:23:22 <ais523> on modern CPUs, you just use lzcnt and tzcnt, yes, but current compilers aren't by default generating code that assumes they're available
23:23:53 <b_jonas> huh, you're right, the Intel docs says that the destination register gains undefined value after BSF and BSR with 0 input operand
23:24:26 <ais523> although, they get interpreted as their older equivalent on older CPUs, which is useful in the case of tzcnt because the results are the same for all arguments except 0
23:24:46 <ais523> so you can just set the result register to 64 and then tzcnt, and you get the right result on both new and old CPUs
23:25:02 <ais523> this doesn't work with lzcnt becaue the return values are different
23:25:33 <b_jonas> it doesn't work with LZCNT? interesting, I never noticed that
23:26:03 <ais523> because LZCNT counts 0 = most significant and the old instruction counts 0 = least significant
23:26:18 <ais523> so you can't interpret the return value without knowing which instruction you used
23:26:49 <b_jonas> when were these instructions added? between SSE4.2 and AVX with the marketing bit-manipulation instructions like BLSI? or earlier?
23:28:11 <ais523> it isn't obvious because they have their own feature flag, so it might not even be monotonically increasing
23:29:02 <ais523> oh, Wikipedia says it's part of BMI1 and just has the feature flags done weirdly
23:29:49 <ais523> oh, and AMD got there first
23:29:55 <ais523> which nearly *always* screws up the feature flags
23:30:31 <ais523> or, well, LZCNT is by AMD and TZCNT by Intel, just to make things as thoroughly confusing as possible
23:32:18 <ais523> so the ABM flag (which AMD invented) reflects LZCNT support, and BMI1 reflects TZCNT support, on both AMD and Intel processors; but all Intel processors that set either set both
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23:33:39 <b_jonas> it looks like TZCNT and LZCNT were added roughly at the same time as AVX2, so later than I thought
23:34:33 <ais523> Intel added them at the same time as the BMI2 instructions (which include the select operator from INTERCAL)
23:37:08 <b_jonas> and that was around AVX2, rather than before AVX like I implied earlier. ok.
23:37:52 <ais523> AVX confuses me because I can never remember which instructions it does
23:37:54 <b_jonas> then it's not that surprising that compilers can often still not use it if you don't specifically target a later processor
23:38:19 <ais523> IIRC it was a more efficient API and more consistent encodings for the existing SSE instructions, plus a few 256-bit instructions but not very many of them?
23:38:39 <ais523> hmm, is there an equivalent of caniuse.com but for processor instructions?
23:39:09 <ais523> I'm mostly interested in whether targeting AVX2/BMI2 by default is reasonable nowadays or whether there are likely to be users who don't have support
23:39:17 <b_jonas> what do you mean? AVX contains vector instructions similar to SSE2, but they're encoded in a very different way, and the floating-point ones can be either 32 byte wide (on the newly introduced YMM registers) or 16 bytes wide, while the integer ones can only be 16 byte wide, right?
23:39:39 <ais523> oh, is it just a float/int split?
23:39:50 <ais523> I thought it implemented a few of the instructions at 32 but most at 16
23:40:28 <ais523> this might explain why LLVM prefers to use floating-point instructions for memcpy, if they were added before the equivalent integer instructions
23:40:31 <b_jonas> it also has lots of new vector instructions for integers, but I think the 32 bytes is just floating points
23:41:28 <ais523> although, I think the general performance advice with vector registers is "you can use the 16-byte ones for occasional use without trouble but the 32-byte ones only help if you use them heavily"
23:41:45 <b_jonas> but this later got fixed by AVX2 which I think added 32 byte long versions for all the integer vector AVX instructions (except that some of the shuffling instructions shuffle only within a 16 byte block and there are new possibly slower shuffler instructions for the full 32 bytes wide)
23:42:21 <ais523> calling conventions for AVX2 are a mess – it doesn't mix well performance-wise with SSE-encoded vector instructions
23:42:25 <b_jonas> also all the AVX vector instructions have a name starting with V and they clear the top half of the YMM registers even if they only do a 16 byte operation -- the existing SSE2 instructions couldn't be modified this way because of ABI compatibility
23:43:02 <b_jonas> yes, but I think that's s/calling conventions for AVX2/calling conventions for AVX/
23:43:25 <ais523> I think the ABI requires a vzeroupper before calling or returning from a function, if you use the high half of a vector
23:43:40 <ais523> so that if the other function uses SSE there isn't a performance penalty
23:44:26 <b_jonas> yes, but this is becoming less of a problem on later processors
23:45:49 <b_jonas> the ABI incompatibility is real and can't be fixed without defining a whole new incompatible ABI for which you have to recompile every user-level library, but the penalty almost never applies to recent CPUs because the processors are better optimized to handle this
23:51:16 <b_jonas> also AVX adds some new floating-point vector instructions, and some non-vector instructions, and it does *not* add many new integer vector arithmetic instructions despite what I said
23:55:24 <b_jonas> the new integer vector instructions are added by SSE3 and SSE4_2 (which precede AVX) and then AVX512, with only a few in AVX and AVX2
23:55:30 <b_jonas> or at least few that I care about
23:59:34 <ais523> <b_jonas> the ABI incompatibility is real and can't be fixed without defining a whole new incompatible ABI for which you have to recompile every user-level library, but the penalty almost never applies to recent CPUs because the processors are better optimized to handle this ← IIRC the modern processors are actually worse-optimised to handle all the combinations, some optimisations were removed to simplify the situations where they weren't neeed
00:00:02 <ais523> I think modern processors are slow if you use leave a value in the top half of the YMM registers and then use SSE instructions, older ones had a special case for that
00:00:20 <ais523> but, modern compilers know that doing that is slow, and take care to not leave a value in the top half
00:01:18 <ais523> I remember being disappointed that AVX and AVX2 don't have any multiplications bigger than a 32-to-64-bit widening multiply
00:01:38 <b_jonas> to be honest a lot of the newly added instructions feel weird to me, like they're there either for marketing to boost the number of mnemonics, or to help beginner programmers who don't understand enough programming to use the smaller but versatile SSE/SSE2/SSE3/SSE4_2 instruction set. not all instructions are like that, some are genuinely useful new features, just a lot of them.
00:01:43 <ais523> if I need to do 64-bit multiplies, it is not even worth vectorising, as I'd have to use the entire vector unit just to do the individual parts of the multiply
00:02:16 <ais523> b_jonas: I think they're there for marketing but for a different reason: companies paying Intel to add really specific commands that would help some particular project they're working on
00:02:23 <ais523> and Intel not caring that they're useless for everyone else
00:02:28 <b_jonas> ais523: yes, unless you can use double float multiplications
00:03:24 <ais523> float multiply on integers only gives you 53 or 54 bits, right? so that's worse than 32-to-64 widening multiply unless your arguments are very unbalanced
00:03:42 <ais523> (assuming a double-precision float)
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00:05:26 <b_jonas> ais523: yes, but only if you want the whole integer result. sometimes you'll want only the high bits.
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00:06:39 <b_jonas> though maybe that doesn't happen that often when 32 bits aren't enough and you aren't already working with double floats
00:10:24 <b_jonas> but I think the double float multiply can be useful for geometric distorting high bit depth (between 10 and 16 bits inclusive, such as raw from camera sensor) pixmap images without losing much precision
00:14:07 <b_jonas> (well not raw camera sensor really, but after debayering)\
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00:19:58 <b_jonas> I use a keyboard with a 101/104 key style enter key at home, and a keyboard with a 102/105 key style enter key at work. You have to press enter at somewhat different places between the two. This results in me often pressing enter wrong, and *in both directions* that often results in pressing the backslash key by accident togethr with enter. This is probably the closest I have to a true "walked uphill
00:24:23 <ais523> hmm, the UK keyboard layout has a confusing Enter key placement, but backslash is on the entire opposite end of the keyboard
00:24:51 <ais523> Return and # together occupy the space that would be occupied entirely by Return on a US keyboard
00:25:32 <ais523> although, if you press # on a keyboard that's physically a UK keyboard, but set to a US keyboard layout, you get \ (which is a little weird – I would have expected it to act as Return)
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02:34:14 <korvo> ais523, b_jonas: I agree with all your points. I was hoping to show wwwww that, when it comes to programming machines, you can't really set the machine to an undefined state, only a state you don't know much about.
02:34:46 <korvo> Like, the entire reason why programming is so difficult is because no matter what you do, all you can really give the computer is a pile of details, each one perfectly observed.
02:35:12 <korvo> Or to paraphrase the classic film Anchorman, the computer will read *exactly* what you tell it to read.
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12:56:04 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138766&oldid=138762 * Ractangle * (+73) /* Move data from a cell to an another cell */
12:57:33 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138767&oldid=138407 * Ractangle * (+90) /* Headache (lang that compiles to brainfuck) */
12:58:19 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138768&oldid=138767 * Ractangle * (-2) /* How dare you fuck the brain */
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13:32:29 <wWwwW> can YOU solve for x? https://esolangs.org/wiki/Solve_for_x
13:33:13 <esolangs> [[Solve for x]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138769&oldid=138755 * Yayimhere * (+47)
13:37:07 <esolangs> [[Solve for x]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138770&oldid=138769 * Yayimhere * (+14)
13:40:55 <esolangs> [[Solve for x]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138771&oldid=138770 * Yayimhere * (+49)
13:43:11 <esolangs> [[Solve for x]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138772&oldid=138771 * Yayimhere * (-866) Blanked the page
13:44:19 <esolangs> [[Ironlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138773&oldid=135125 * Froginstarch * (+84) /* Instructions */
13:45:33 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138774 * Yayimhere * (+911) Created page with "'''Final Word Of The Day''' is a esolang that yet you cant program in. this is becuase Solve for x is a esolang that you must solve for. it was created by [[User:Yayimhere]] == properties == (from now on i will be saying x to represent Final Word Of The D
13:45:48 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138775&oldid=138774 * Yayimhere * (+10)
13:47:38 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138776&oldid=138756 * Yayimhere * (+10)
13:52:15 <wWwwW> can YOU solve for x? https://esolangs.org/wiki/Final_Word_Of_The_Day
13:55:12 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138777&oldid=138775 * Yayimhere * (+34)
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14:27:22 <wWwwW> i wonder if anybody can tho...
14:29:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:0134]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138778&oldid=136413 * Yayimhere * (+151)
14:30:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:0134]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138779&oldid=138778 * Yayimhere * (+2)
14:30:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:0134]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138780&oldid=138779 * Yayimhere * (+19)
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14:41:31 <esolangs> [[Fixed Repeating Output]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138781&oldid=128753 * Ractangle * (-84) /* :] */
14:41:39 <esolangs> [[Fixed Repeating Output]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138782&oldid=138781 * Ractangle * (+85)
14:43:44 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138783&oldid=138766 * Ractangle * (-14) /* Interpreter */
14:44:59 <esolangs> [[Fixed Repeating Output]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138784&oldid=138782 * Ractangle * (+70) /* Brainfuck+2 */
14:45:23 <esolangs> [[Fixed Repeating Output]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138785&oldid=138784 * Ractangle * (-69) Wrong place
14:45:34 <esolangs> [[Fixed Repeating Output]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138786&oldid=138785 * Ractangle * (+69) There
14:57:22 <esolangs> [[Seclusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138787&oldid=118684 * Hakerh400 * (+0)
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15:13:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:SubI machine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138788 * Yayimhere * (+160) Created page with "delete TC tag while its not prooven bro. i will do it if you dont [-~~~~-]"
15:21:24 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Graypinkfurball * New user account
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15:45:25 <esolangs> [[User:XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138790&oldid=137592 * Ractangle * (+46) /* Hexdump */
15:47:30 <esolangs> [[Looping counter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138791&oldid=138789 * Yayimhere * (-125) /* G# */ its no a unary looping counter
15:50:13 <esolangs> [[Looping counter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138792&oldid=138791 * Yayimhere * (-44) /* How dare you fuck the brain */ also not a looping counter since its not unary
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15:59:26 <esolangs> [[REG.TYPE = STR TRUE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138793&oldid=134005 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* examples */
15:59:46 <esolangs> [[Looping counter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138794&oldid=138792 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* REG.TYPE = STR TRUE */
16:07:18 <wWwwW> its kinda boring on the https://esolangs.org/wiki/Final_Word_Of_The_Day page
16:07:27 <wWwwW> its jyst the properties
16:07:38 <wWwwW> so can i get help finding a eso,.ang that works
16:15:28 <korvo> wWwwW: What will you do with it?
16:15:54 <wWwwW> to make it interesting
16:17:13 <korvo> wWwwW: Sure, code, but code *what*? What do you want to express? What do you want to communicate? What do you want your art to mean?
16:19:39 <wWwwW> i want my art to mean:
16:19:40 <wWwwW> i think many things are interesting
16:19:40 <wWwwW> concepts are to be tested an used in the wrong places
16:19:41 <wWwwW> what i want to code(bascially my goals):
16:19:42 <wWwwW> TC proof(since it has to be)
16:21:37 <korvo> Am I right in guessing that you're a young student still learning about the world? Or are you an adult returning to this world after experiencing real life?
16:22:05 <wWwwW> ..lets say i have a hard time in school
16:22:07 <korvo> I would encourage students to examine many *different* ways of existing. For computers, this means many different languages.
16:22:12 <korvo> Oh, no worries. I'm a dropout.
16:22:33 <korvo> Nonetheless studying is required. Try to draw a distinction between work done for grades and work done for exploration.
16:22:34 <wWwwW> i like to browse the wiki
16:22:52 <wWwwW> to see different stuff
16:23:03 <korvo> One technique I really liked at university was forcing students to explore different "paradigms" of programming, from different families of language design.
16:23:18 <wWwwW> ive *tried* to do that
16:23:57 <korvo> Like, you should spend 4wks *each* with a language from each of the families: Prolog, Smalltalk, Forth, Lisp, ML, and then an ALGOL for comparison.
16:24:17 <wWwwW> (^rlly like dis one^)
16:25:13 <korvo> Nah, you need an immersion in the *languages*, not just the "paradigms". Like, concretely try writing programs in miniKanren, Pharo, Factor, Racket, OCaml (or Haskell?) and then return to Python to see what you've learned.
16:25:37 <wWwwW> also i don think i have time for that
16:25:50 <wWwwW> also im a slow learner
16:26:09 <korvo> Explore what makes them useful. miniKanren is great for constraint solving (CSP). Pharo has interesting GUI and Web tools. Factor and OCaml will bend your mind. Racket will show you how to make new languages.
16:27:01 <korvo> ...Weren't you just saying that you were bored? A bored artist is not interesting. To be artistic is to constantly struggle to express oneself.
16:27:17 <wWwwW> well i do that too
16:27:26 <wWwwW> but i still don have time
16:27:44 <korvo> More seriously, I'm a musician and I used to spend hours at the piano practicing trills. My roommates do visual arts and are constantly talking of color theory, shading, etc. If you want to get into this stuff, you have to get *into* it.
16:28:02 <wWwwW> i get *into* programming
16:28:20 <wWwwW> idk if i work differently
16:28:26 <wWwwW> but my stuff gets gud
16:28:49 <wWwwW> i get somethin good
16:29:14 <korvo> Two things. First, relax and let your thoughts form complete sentences. You're not in a rush here; it's okay to take a minute and say what you want to say.
16:29:51 <wWwwW> until 8 o clock in denmark
16:29:56 <wWwwW> then i need to go to sleep
16:32:20 <korvo> Sure. Society asks too much of students. So, here's the second thing: at your age, you aren't expected to contribute to the future of esolangs. You certainly are allowed to contribute, but you're expected to take care of yourself and learn fundamentals first.
16:33:04 <korvo> It's *okay* to not have any dreams for new languages yet. I didn't start building languages until I was like 25 or 26 maybe, and I've only really written two serious languages, including one esolang.
16:33:20 <wWwwW> like thats what i am
16:33:41 <wWwwW> they fly around in my head
16:34:41 <wWwwW> idk what to do with them
16:35:09 <korvo> Learn a few dozen more languages and your head will quiet down. Right now you don't have many "schemata" (fancy psychology word), so each new language is going to seem like a radically new thing. Very interesting, much to learn.
16:36:02 <wWwwW> can they be esolangs
16:36:17 <wWwwW> my memory cant take like C or something
16:37:43 <korvo> They could be esolangs, but it'll be easier and more efficient to learn languages intended for serious use. I gave you a bunch of options earlier.
16:37:59 <wWwwW> but i dont have like
16:38:08 <wWwwW> the memory capacity
16:38:50 <korvo> Take your time. Keep the docs open and refer to them often. Don't force yourself to memorize anything. Focus on *expressing* the parts of the *problem* that you want to solve.
16:39:17 <korvo> I've been writing Python professionally for over a decade. I still look at the docs daily.
16:39:58 <wWwwW> ill try haskell then
16:40:52 <wWwwW> but also the only reasaon ive learned pythonsi cuz i had another human involved
16:41:44 <korvo> Sure. When you're just starting out, you might need in-person discussions from tutors or classes. That's common.
16:42:02 <wWwwW> or the social skill
16:42:48 <korvo> Python meetups are usually free. Ask the people who introduced you to programming. There's likely something nearby.
16:43:23 <wWwwW> #im danish and my teacher is southafrican
16:43:35 <korvo> And yes, you'll have to build social skills if you don't want to teach yourself by reading lots of books. You have to have information presented to you one way or another.
16:43:48 <wWwwW> like conferences f my brain
16:44:02 <wWwwW> mostly cuz i go bullied at school and still do
16:44:13 <wWwwW> thats not something to talk about here
16:44:13 <korvo> Me too. Don't worry, eventually school ends.
16:44:31 <wWwwW> is it annoying every day lol
16:45:37 <wWwwW> the worst thing is that they bully my brother
16:45:42 <wWwwW> ig im just a "nerd"
16:48:59 <esolangs> [[By+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138795 * Catto.4 * (+2549) created page for by+
16:50:02 <wWwwW> im taking totorial
16:51:01 <wWwwW> oh so in atou applies
16:51:23 <korvo> Haskell is a community flavor of Miranda, itself an attempt to make Lazy ML practical. Miranda was not Free Software for a long time, and the Haskell community formed to fix that.
16:52:07 <korvo> It's worth knowing about e.g. OCaml, which also inherits from ML via SML but is not lazy. The whole lazy-vs-eager thing, or strict vs non-strict, is a big deal.
16:52:41 <wWwwW> rn im doing haskell
16:52:54 <wWwwW> also why the hell is there the lambda symbol?
16:54:04 <wWwwW> the in makes definitions
16:54:17 <korvo> When Alonzo Church went to typeset his work, he wanted to write something like a hat or overbar on top of each variable, like `ô.î.o` for what Haskellers would write as `\o -> \i -> o`.
16:54:36 <korvo> However, the typesetter couldn't really do that, and the best they could do was to write a lambda before each variable name.
16:54:52 <korvo> It could be worse; Pythonistas would write `lambda o: lambda i: o`.
16:58:39 <korvo> wWwwW: As you learn more history, you'll be like "oh yeah, Church's lambda calculus". And later, you'll be like "oh that's the K combinator!"
16:58:42 <esolangs> [[By+]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138796&oldid=138795 * Catto.4 * (+127) added optional argument to base
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17:15:50 <korvo> Nah, "smart" and "stupid" don't really mean much. You're *inexperienced*, and that's okay.
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17:29:33 <wWwwW> i dont want to go so deep
17:34:33 <wWwwW> what are you doin rn
17:34:42 <wWwwW> im questioning my own person
17:35:30 <wWwwW> what are you doing?
17:36:11 <wWwwW> want somethin to do(lol)
17:37:12 <wWwwW> cuz then i have something
17:39:41 <wWwwW> helping me solve for dis: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Final_Word_Of_The_Day
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17:50:53 <wWwwW> holeee i forgot this: https://esolangs.org/wiki/W)
17:55:45 <wWwwW> like why did i make tht
17:55:50 <wWwwW> what do you think?
17:56:08 <wWwwW> also bracket part of link
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18:08:52 <korvo> I think that joke languages shouldn't be the primary targets for disambiguations, unless they are as notable as INTERCAL.
18:10:01 <korvo> Oh, I was looking at W, sorry.
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18:10:24 <ais523> although iNTERCAL is a joke by normal language standards, it is not a joke by esolang standards
18:10:35 <korvo> I don't have any serious opinions about Final Word of the Day yet. I can't really say much about a language without seeing its syntax: tokens, grammar, encoding, etc.
18:11:38 <ais523> Final Word of the Day makes me wonder if it would be possible to design an esolang in that style, sufficiently to narrow it down to only one possible language
18:11:58 <ais523> in a way, it is a declarative esolang specification, as opposed to the normal imperative style of writing specifications
18:12:18 <esolangs> [[W)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138798&oldid=134904 * Yayimhere * (+179)
18:13:26 <korvo> Ah, I see now. w> looks fun. I've seen similar 2D languages before but I'm struggling to recall any of their names.
18:14:58 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138799&oldid=138776 * Yayimhere * (+12)
18:16:10 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138800&oldid=138799 * Yayimhere * (+0)
18:16:59 <ais523> this doesn't explain whether the pointer turns left or right, when turning 90 degrees
18:17:26 <ais523> also, starting in the top left moving left is weird – you would have to change the pointer direction immediately to prevent it escaping the program
18:17:45 <wWwwW> it turns 90 degrees
18:17:49 <wWwwW> from current direction
18:17:58 <wWwwW> if its going down it would go right
18:18:00 <ais523> I think most 2D languages solve the "does it turn left or right?" problem by having two commands, one for each direction
18:18:09 <ais523> going left is also 90 degrees from down, though
18:18:34 <ais523> oh, there is more than one convention for this
18:18:52 <ais523> some mathematical conventions have it always measured anticlockwise, in which case you can say "90 degrees anticlockwise"
18:18:53 <wWwwW> how would i write that
18:19:02 <ais523> I think that's the one you're using
18:19:28 <esolangs> [[W)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138801&oldid=138798 * Yayimhere * (+14)
18:19:50 <ais523> korvo: re: existing languages, there's https://esolangs.org/wiki/Shove but it's different enough to probably not be a see also – there might be a more similar one
18:20:35 <korvo> ais523: I always think of these as "laser tank" languages after a childhood puzzle game that involved shooting laser beams at mazes of mirrors.
18:21:05 <ais523> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Black was vaguely inspired by such a game
18:21:11 <ais523> although all the rules are different
18:21:53 <korvo> Nice. Very similar vibe, yeah.
18:22:11 <ais523> early in esolangs.org's history, people were looking to make a 2D language with only one command + NOP
18:22:12 <wWwwW> BLACK IS THE BEST(im a black lover lol)
18:22:32 <wWwwW> ais523: like 1L_x?
18:22:48 <ais523> Black was my attempt, although looking at adjacent squares makes it cheating in a way
18:23:09 <ais523> (much later I produced https://esolangs.org/wiki/Nopstacle)
18:24:15 <ais523> oops, I think I tagged Nopstacle as implemented by mistake
18:24:28 <wWwwW> the fact that Turnfunge is insane to me
18:24:35 <esolangs> [[Nopstacle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138802&oldid=130573 * Ais523 * (+2) fix categorisation mistake
18:24:38 <wWwwW> the things that are TC man
18:25:05 <ais523> it took a lot of practice as a community before we got that style of language to be TC that simply
18:25:20 <ais523> back when we were starting out, we couldn't do much better than https://esolangs.org/wiki/1L_a
18:26:27 <wWwwW> Turnfunge reminds me of https://esolangs.org/wiki/OFFICIAL
18:26:59 <ais523> (also apparently 1L_a still hasn't been proven TC? I might have a look at that)
18:27:18 <wWwwW> im the one who talked 'bout that right?
18:28:07 <wWwwW> that was on i think 1L_A somethin somethin
18:29:24 <wWwwW> dis one: https://esolangs.org/wiki/1L_AOI
18:30:03 <ais523> my guess is that OFFICIAL is sub-TC, although it is able to count arbitrarily high I don't think there's any way to read any form of counter it has when it gets large enough to escape the original bounds of the program
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18:35:20 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Ractangle/(x]] to [[Gora]]
18:37:48 <ais523> hmm, I'm not convinced 1L_AOI is TC, it looks like there is no way to set a zero cell to nonzero because if the MP is over a zero cell, you can't change direction and thus can't change the command from an MP-moving command to a value-changing command
18:38:44 <ais523> and cpressey noticed the same thing a while ago
18:40:05 <esolangs> [[1L AOI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138805&oldid=31425 * Ais523 * (-28) remove Turing tarpits category although it was intended to be one, it has no way to change zero values to nonzero (see comments by Chris Pressey on talk), and needs to change values to zero in order to test them, thus can only read memory finitely many times and is not TC
18:43:38 <esolangs> [[1L]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138806&oldid=90777 * Ais523 * (+104) add Turnfunge and Nopstacle
18:44:02 <esolangs> [[Gora]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138807&oldid=138803 * Ractangle * (+181)
18:44:25 <ais523> OK, so what if we average Turnfunge (turn left when there is a solid cell behind the pointer) and Nopstacle (turn left when there is a solid cell in front of the pointer), producing a "turn left when there is a solid cell at the pointer" language
18:45:03 <ais523> I initially assumed that was sub-TC because otherwise Turnfunge would have been defined like that, but that isn't actually valid reasoning so I should think about it properly
18:45:25 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138808&oldid=138634 * Ractangle * (+52) /* Esolangs */
18:46:02 <ais523> ah, I see, it's reversible, which doesn't necessarily make it sub-TC but makes the proof much harder
18:47:27 <ais523> even in 2024, I think it is still the case that we have no good tarpits for TCness proofs of reversible counter machines (https://esolangs.org/wiki/Flow_of_Holes was designed as a step in that sort of proof but it isn't a very simple one)
18:48:28 <ais523> and in particular I am not sure that two counters is enough for a reversible counter machine to be TC
18:48:52 <ais523> (but I am also not sure that it is not enough)
18:49:51 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138809&oldid=138808 * Ractangle * (+36) /* Esolangs */
18:52:47 <esolangs> [[Gora]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138810&oldid=138807 * Ractangle * (+156)
19:06:24 <esolangs> [[Gora]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138811&oldid=138810 * Ractangle * (+7)
19:09:40 <esolangs> [[Gora]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138812&oldid=138811 * Ractangle * (+44)
19:22:45 <esolangs> [[Gora]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138813&oldid=138812 * Ractangle * (+40)
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19:37:02 <esolangs> [[Gora]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138815&oldid=138814 * Ractangle * (+70) /* Syntax */
19:37:52 <esolangs> [[Gora]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138816&oldid=138815 * Ractangle * (+132) /* Examples */
19:40:40 <esolangs> [[By+]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138817&oldid=138796 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+14) Lowercase
19:42:31 <esolangs> [[Spacechem Programming Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138818&oldid=40146 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) Category
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20:24:54 <fizzie> Bah. Tried to use a test query of "Could you explain what the Funciton language is all about?" for the LLM thing (updated the model), but the keyword extraction scheme helpfully extracted the keyword "function", which of course doesn't find anything relevant, so the model output was just: > The "Funciton" language is not mentioned in the text. It's likely a typo or a term not relevant to the
20:25:58 <fizzie> It's now using Gemma 2.0 rather than 1.1, since they released the 2B(-ish) parameter size version of Gemma 2 as well. But really the model quality hasn't been the (main) problem in getting useful responses: the search and article selection is (plus context size limits that haven't changed).
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20:27:06 <fizzie> I think I probably just need some sort of maybe TF-IDF-ranked full text search thing on the original question, as-is, rather than asking the model to extract search keywords.
20:28:26 <fizzie> (Or maybe I could just use the custom Google search API, they've indexed the wiki anyway and it has a free tier of 100 queries per day. I just liked the notion of this being entirely self-hosted.)
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01:32:45 <esolangs> [[Talk:By+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138820 * Ais523 * (+396) /* Implementation */ new section
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02:27:07 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day/PkmnQ]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138821 * PkmnQ * (+2025) Created page with "This is [[User:PkmnQ]]'s solution to [[Final Word Of The Day]]. == Execution == The program stores data in named miniprograms, which can be edited and ran inside the main program. All miniprograms start empty. At the beginning of the program, the inpu
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03:35:38 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[Gora]] to [[-(anor)]]
03:38:13 <esolangs> [[-(anor)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138824&oldid=138822 * Ractangle * (-767)
03:38:25 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[-(anor)]] to [[-(anor^2)]]
03:45:03 <esolangs> [[-(anor^2)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138827&oldid=138825 * Ractangle * (+181)
03:47:17 <esolangs> [[-(anor^2)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138828&oldid=138827 * Ractangle * (+45) /* Syntax */
03:47:27 <esolangs> [[-(anor^2)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138829&oldid=138828 * Ractangle * (+2) /* Syntax */
03:50:18 <esolangs> [[-(anor^2)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138830&oldid=138829 * Ractangle * (-58)
03:53:17 <esolangs> [[-(anor^2)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138831&oldid=138830 * Ractangle * (+80)
03:53:37 <esolangs> [[-(anor^2)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138832&oldid=138831 * Ractangle * (+4) /* Syntax */
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04:14:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Final Word Of The Day/PkmnQ]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138833 * Gggfr * (+116) Created page with "damn. damn thats cool. holeee [~~~~]"
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04:31:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:0815]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138834&oldid=51052 * Gggfr * (+200) /* Language Details are not clear */
04:36:18 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138835&oldid=138797 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+48) See also
04:37:55 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day/PkmnQ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138836&oldid=138821 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+110) Categories
04:38:45 <ipadwwwww> holeee look at dis: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Final_Word_Of_The_Day/PkmnQ
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04:47:15 <wWwwW> contiuing my message
04:47:33 <wWwwW> what would you do to make it TC?
04:49:10 <esolangs> [[OFFICIAL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138837&oldid=136748 * Yayimhere * (+1)
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05:28:47 <esolangs> [[Larry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138838&oldid=137316 * Yayimhere * (-9) this...this is not a stub
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06:26:32 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day/PkmnQ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138839&oldid=138836 * PkmnQ * (+256) not a solution
06:30:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:Final Word Of The Day/PkmnQ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138840&oldid=138833 * PkmnQ * (+191)
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07:00:21 <b_jonas> fizzie: "the custom Google search API, they've indexed the wiki anyway" => that may help with Funciton, but some of the article titles on this wiki are so stupid that even google won't search for them
07:02:24 <b_jonas> fizzie: heck, in fact I just tried google and it tells me it's searching for “function site:esolangs org” and click on this small text link if I really mean “funciton site:esolangs.org”.
07:02:59 <b_jonas> though even with the default spelling correction, it still gives Funciton as the second result
07:13:48 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (T-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138841&oldid=138764 * DGCK81LNN * (+36)
07:14:24 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (T-Z)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138842&oldid=138841 * DGCK81LNN * (+1)
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07:39:04 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138843&oldid=138288 * Ractangle * (+42) /* syntax */
07:40:59 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138844&oldid=138843 * Ractangle * (+13)
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08:45:19 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138845&oldid=138809 * Ractangle * (-5)
08:46:09 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138846&oldid=138845 * Ractangle * (-67)
08:46:58 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138847&oldid=138846 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Esolangs */
08:48:57 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138848&oldid=138847 * Ractangle * (-27) /* Esolangs */
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09:26:27 <esolangs> [[CLFCE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138849&oldid=136555 * Ractangle * (-7)
09:27:32 <esolangs> [[CLFCE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138850&oldid=138849 * Ractangle * (+7)
09:33:20 <esolangs> [[OCBscriptOCBCCBCCB]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138851&oldid=137212 * Ractangle * (-7)
09:33:50 <esolangs> [[OCBscriptOCBCCBCCB]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138852&oldid=138851 * Ractangle * (-32)
09:39:29 <esolangs> [[*&&^]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138853&oldid=135862 * Ractangle * (+2) /* Syntax */
09:39:48 <esolangs> [[*&&^]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138854&oldid=138853 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Eaxmples */
09:42:29 <esolangs> [[FlipFlop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138855&oldid=138741 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Implementetion */
09:43:10 <esolangs> [[FlipFlop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138856&oldid=138855 * Ractangle * (+2) /* I don't even know what to type here */
09:46:51 <esolangs> [[Branjunk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138857&oldid=137706 * Ractangle * (-9)
09:48:56 <esolangs> [[Pyline]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138858&oldid=121791 * DGCK81LNN * (+1355) /* Brainfuck interpreter */
10:20:19 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138859&oldid=138475 * DGCK81LNN * (+426)
10:21:44 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138860&oldid=138859 * DGCK81LNN * (+12)
10:22:40 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138861&oldid=138860 * DGCK81LNN * (+0) /* Example programs */
10:29:45 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138862&oldid=138861 * DGCK81LNN * (-1) /* Example programs */
10:50:17 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138863&oldid=138862 * DGCK81LNN * (-66) /* Mechanics */
10:54:10 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138864&oldid=138863 * DGCK81LNN * (+98) /* Mechanics */
10:55:27 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138865&oldid=138864 * DGCK81LNN * (+0) /* Mechanics */
10:56:36 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138866&oldid=138865 * DGCK81LNN * (+3) /* Mechanics */
10:57:52 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138867&oldid=138866 * DGCK81LNN * (+31) /* Mechanics */
10:58:22 <esolangs> [[-(anor^2)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138868&oldid=138832 * Ractangle * (+4)
11:02:51 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * DGCK81LNN * uploaded "[[File:WhatLang dices.png]]"
11:04:25 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138870&oldid=138867 * DGCK81LNN * (+381) /* Example programs */
11:12:43 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138871&oldid=138870 * DGCK81LNN * (+19) /* Example programs */
11:39:53 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again4]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138872&oldid=138478 * None1 * (+32)
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11:49:48 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138873&oldid=138871 * DGCK81LNN * (+167)
11:50:06 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138874&oldid=138873 * DGCK81LNN * (+7)
11:50:40 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138875&oldid=138874 * DGCK81LNN * (+1)
12:01:16 <esolangs> [[User:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138876&oldid=138433 * Unname4798 * (-1) testing
12:02:28 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again4]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138877&oldid=138872 * Unname4798 * (-1) testing
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12:31:53 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138878&oldid=138875 * DGCK81LNN * (+115) /* Instructions */
12:37:06 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138879&oldid=138878 * DGCK81LNN * (+36)
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13:39:08 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138880&oldid=138844 * Yayimhere * (-170) /* examples */
13:41:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:Final Word Of The Day/PkmnQ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138881&oldid=138840 * Yayimhere * (+121)
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13:55:52 <esolangs> [[0815]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138882&oldid=58725 * Yayimhere * (+48) /* Computational class */ the proof needs unbounded to be TC
13:57:05 <esolangs> [[W)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138883&oldid=138801 * Yayimhere * (-8)
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14:31:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:An Odd Rewriting System]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138884&oldid=137632 * Yayimhere * (+104) /* what was the limitation */
14:32:26 <wWwwW> agian to continue my message(seems nobody saw it) but what would you do to making OFFICIAL TC?
14:47:15 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138885 * Yayimhere * (+261) Created page with "'''WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators''' or '''WCTVCUO''' is a esolang by [[User:Yayimhere]]. the only change from [[Unlambda]] is that he only operators are <code>c and v</code> with another operator: .xy cre
14:48:18 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138886&oldid=138885 * Yayimhere * (+0)
14:51:14 <wWwwW> can i get feedback?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/WC_is_a_toilet_but_v,_and_c_are_Unlambda_operators
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15:15:17 <korvo> wWwwW: What does this change about Unlambda? Are some things now easier to express? Harder to read?
15:15:41 <wWwwW> its more limited and harder to use
15:19:34 <korvo> Oh, I misread. You've *removed* syntax. I see.
15:22:24 <korvo> I think this is a fairly weak fragment. I'm gonna use category theory; v is the constant arrow to the terminal object and c is the standard call/cc over some continuation monad (perhaps the initial such monad?)
15:23:03 <korvo> And then it's folklore that you can't build S or K from this. Continuation monads can't do anything besides be applied at some location; they don't introduce or eliminate type constructors.
15:28:34 <wWwwW> what would you then need to add?
15:29:16 <esolangs> [[WCTVCUO]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138887 * Yayimhere * (+64) Redirected page to [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]]
15:29:56 <wWwwW> if this isnt TC(i assume it is)
15:30:38 <korvo> Usually for combinators I'd look for a *fixed-point combinator
15:30:57 <korvo> So something like Z, Y, U, or Turing's bird.
15:32:47 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138888&oldid=138800 * Yayimhere * (+57)
15:33:50 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138889&oldid=138888 * Yayimhere * (+33)
15:33:56 <korvo> If you haven't seen it, we have a nice table of combinators: https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Bird_sociology
15:36:43 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138890&oldid=138889 * Yayimhere * (-47) /* eoslangs */
15:36:49 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138891&oldid=138890 * Yayimhere * (+47) /* things about me */
15:38:33 <wWwwW> i rlly love dis eoslang: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Final_Word_Of_The_Day/PkmnQ
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15:43:24 <wWwwW> what do you guys think?
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15:50:50 <korvo> It's alright. Reminds me of f-exprs, as in Lisps like Kernel.
15:54:35 <ais523> I've been thinking about an esolang
15:54:43 <ais523> need to write some program fragments to make sure it works
15:54:56 <wWwwW> wait one you make yourself
15:55:12 <ais523> yes, although this one is a simple variation on a couple of existing ones
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15:55:28 <ais523> it's harder to prove TC but I think it still is
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15:55:48 <ais523> fizzie: oh wow, a sitenotice
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15:56:52 <ais523> fungot: do you maintain the wiki hardware, too?
15:56:53 <fungot> ais523: which implementation? i want their names. ultra10s are named after toys in toy story, but sid is the only free piece of code
15:56:54 <wWwwW> the hell. why did a disconnect
15:57:09 <ais523> this happens a lot on IRC, in my experience
15:57:24 <Sgeo> korvo, if you like stuff like f-exprs and Kernel, check out Smalltalk-72
15:57:42 <wWwwW> rarer than me geting ads(see my talk page lol)
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16:01:12 <fizzie> ais523: There's been such an uptick in the frequency of edits that I thought it'd be polite to put up a note, just so nobody spends an hour polishing an edit and is then unable to save it.
16:02:00 <wWwwW> how would you program in this?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/2_Player
16:02:05 <ais523> fizzie: it does make sense
16:02:42 <ais523> on my own server I normally check the logs to see whether anyone is connected before doing maintenance, but that only works because there's an explicit "connected" state, it isn't like a wiki where you can just submit pages whenever
16:03:23 <Sgeo> wWwwW, that's a bit confusing that it starts on the left edge and goes left. Is there wraparound?
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16:03:45 <wWwwW> it halts if off edge
16:04:37 <Sgeo> That, uh. Trivializes the language. Always halts immediately.
16:04:47 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138892&oldid=138633 * Yayimhere * (+126)
16:04:50 <Sgeo> Wait, no, first command might take effect
16:05:23 <wWwwW> more command ideas
16:05:25 <ais523> it's not clear how the language usefully stores data
16:06:03 <ais523> a common way for languages to fail TCness is "when the amount of stored data gets too large, there is no way to read the full amount of the data" (I did that intentionally when writing BuzzFizz)
16:06:24 <wWwwW> the grid expands with commands
16:06:29 <wWwwW> i need to write that
16:06:34 <ais523> also commands that only work once generally aren't very useful, unless they are needed for program startup
16:08:42 <fizzie> For general interest: the "maintenance" is for setting up MariaDB replication, so that I'll have a local copy that's in the order of at most a few minutes old, rather than just the weekly one. Getting it started involves making a copy of the database and recording the current binlog position in such a way that they're consistent with each other.
16:09:13 <wWwwW> what do you mean ais523
16:10:30 <ais523> wWwwW: well, a program that "demonstrates TCness" needs to be able to potentially run forever, that means it can't rely on commands that only work once
16:11:03 * ais523 updates their local backup of the wiki
16:12:04 <ais523> in the early days of the wiki, we were worried it might go offline – esolang content had a habit of doing that and we wanted the wiki to preserve the content
16:12:17 <ais523> so, lots of us made backups of it so that we could restore it if something went wrong
16:12:39 <ais523> I'm not sure how many people are still doing that, but it doesn't hurt to do it on occasion, especially if there's about to be major maintenance done
16:14:21 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138893&oldid=138892 * Yayimhere * (+377)
16:14:29 <wWwwW> done with the new commands
16:15:08 <wWwwW> what do you think now
16:19:02 <wWwwW> ais523 what wo you think now?
16:19:32 <ais523> it's a bit difficult to work out at short notice
16:19:51 <wWwwW> ! and X are the new commands
16:19:56 <ais523> you like to make your esolangs difficult, which is fine, but that means that people will need to spend a lot of time to think about them
16:20:21 <wWwwW> it has an explination
16:20:29 <wWwwW> but idk if anybody wants to hear it
16:20:35 <ais523> I still don't see how it stores data, though
16:20:48 <ais523> also, you should clarify whether the data pointer runs / responds to commands
16:20:51 <wWwwW> since you can modify code
16:21:21 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138894&oldid=138893 * Yayimhere * (+15)
16:21:33 <ais523> ah, I see, and then the data pointer has a larger area to wrap in
16:21:38 <wWwwW> ok fixed the mirror thing
16:27:37 * ais523 almost writes an unless-else statement, then thinks better of it
16:28:08 <ais523> oh, I can write unless-next, that makes more sense
16:28:13 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138895&oldid=138894 * Yayimhere * (+339)
16:36:18 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138896&oldid=138895 * Yayimhere * (+495)
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17:04:36 <wWwwW> what do you think now ais523
17:05:50 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138897&oldid=138896 * Yayimhere * (+8) /* commands */
17:11:43 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138898&oldid=138880 * Ractangle * (+12) /* examples */
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17:13:41 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138899&oldid=138898 * Yayimhere * (+41) /* examples */
17:15:37 <esolangs> [[OTS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138900&oldid=138382 * Yayimhere * (+43)
17:16:06 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138901&oldid=138897 * Yayimhere * (-12) /* commands */
17:16:36 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138902&oldid=138901 * Yayimhere * (+12) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/138901|138901]] by [[Special:Contributions/Yayimhere|Yayimhere]] ([[User talk:Yayimhere|talk]])
17:16:47 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138903&oldid=138902 * Yayimhere * (-41) /* commands */
17:17:10 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138904&oldid=138903 * Yayimhere * (-33) /* commands */
17:20:03 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138905&oldid=138886 * Yayimhere * (+16)
17:25:42 <korvo> wWwwW: I was netsplit, so maybe I missed it, but do you have ` or is this purely strings of c and v?
17:26:07 <wWwwW> i would like to include it
17:26:15 <wWwwW> but ` sint a operator
17:27:29 <esolangs> [[Turning tarpit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138906&oldid=96989 * Ais523 * (+163) /* Overview of the Genre */ mention Advance The Wheel!
17:27:33 <korvo> It's a parenthesis. It's the ability to make trees of combinators and not only strings.
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18:00:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:0815]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138909&oldid=138834 * Yayimhere * (+111) /* proof of TCness incorrect */
18:07:45 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138910&oldid=138479 * Yayimhere * (+1) /* ~~ hexadecimal format */
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19:33:46 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[-(anor^2)]] to [[User:Ractangle/TSYALFIC]]
19:36:20 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/TSYALFIC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138913&oldid=138911 * Ractangle * (-257)
19:37:33 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/TSYALFIC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138914&oldid=138913 * Ractangle * (+17)
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21:27:42 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138915&oldid=138835 * 0ptr * (+1) grammar
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21:37:09 <zzo38> Can setcontext and pthreads be used together in the same program?
21:39:41 <zzo38> Also, is there a better way if the signal mask is not needed for contexts?
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21:52:03 <b_jonas> zzo38: I think it can be, but if you want to do that sort of thing I recommend that you look at libcoro "http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/libcoro.html" which abstracts context switching with multiple different backends including setcontext as one of the backends
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22:03:41 <esolangs> [[Flow of Holes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138917&oldid=130106 * Ais523 * (+33) /* See also */ cat
22:04:03 <esolangs> [[Bouncy Counters]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138918 * Ais523 * (+9745) new language!
22:04:46 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138919&oldid=138280 * Ais523 * (+22) /* B */ +[[Bouncy Counters]]
22:05:16 <esolangs> [[User:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138920&oldid=137675 * Ais523 * (+21) +[[Bouncy Counters]]
22:05:35 <esolangs> [[Flow of Holes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138921&oldid=138917 * Ais523 * (+22) /* See also */ +[[Bouncy Counters]]
22:06:17 <Sgeo> Smalltalk-72 isn't an esolang, and isn't.... weird enough compared to Forth, but... it's still weird that I wish I could write about it somewhere esolang adjacent
22:08:26 <ais523> Sgeo: some people use userspace on Esolang for that sort of thing
22:08:41 <ais523> e.g. I think zzo38 has a list of non-esoteric languages that have esoteric aspects
22:11:26 <b_jonas> if you're writing mainly about the esoteric aspects you can probably get away with writing an article about any language, even respected good non-esoteric ones
22:12:20 * Sgeo looks up fexpr to reorient himselff
22:12:42 <Sgeo> "All functions are fexprs" is weird but... not unique probably
22:13:20 <ais523> b_jonas: the more I learn about Rust's parser, the more esoteric I start to think its syntax is
22:14:09 <ais523> it seems like Rust started with a highly ambiguous syntax and then started putting special-case patches into the parser and lexer until it started parsing ambiguous things the way the implementors expected – I don't think many languages do that
22:14:13 <ais523> (Perl does it, but it does so openly)
22:14:46 <ais523> some of the ambiguities are funny but don't really matter, e.g. «4.0» is a float constant, «4 .0» is the first field of 4 interpreted as a tuple
22:16:12 <ais523> but some are more interesting, like putting a struct literal in the control variable of an if or match (with «match Identifier { … }» the { … } could belong to either the match statement or to the identifier)
22:17:05 <ais523> and some are just confusing, e.g. .. is both an operator that applies to two values of the same type, and a value, so you can write .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. and it means something (and apparently has precedence rules so that there is one "official" parse of it)
22:23:34 <esolangs> [[Reversible Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138922&oldid=57329 * Ais523 * (+24) /* See also */ +[[Reversible Bitfuck]]
22:25:46 <b_jonas> ais523: the floating point ambiguity exists in other languages too. In python, 3.E2 is a floating-point literal with 2 as the decimal exponent, while 3 .E2 tries to access the attribute E2 of the integer 3
22:25:53 <esolangs> [[Bouncy Counters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138923&oldid=138918 * Ais523 * (+57) /* See also */ +[[[[Reversible Brainfuck#Unbounded cells, bounded tape]]
22:26:53 <b_jonas> C++ encountered this when they added user-defined numeric literals, which are syntactically written as a numeric literal immediately followed by an identifier suffix, but since hex number literals can end in a hex digit, this could be ambiguous
22:26:59 <fizzie> Hmm, I wonder if .e2 parses as 0.0e2 (and, consequently, is a zero) in any language.
22:27:41 <fizzie> (`.0e2` certainly does.)
22:28:03 <b_jonas> fizzie: "in any language" probably
22:29:42 <ais523> b_jonas: I thought C++ required an extra underscore in order to make that work
22:29:44 <b_jonas> I heard about the braces ambiguity with if/while body, I think that is important enough that every rust programmer encounter it, and as such it's a normal syntax rule and less a dangerou ambiguity
22:29:58 <ais523> apparently the rule has changed over time
22:30:17 <ais523> nowadays there are required parentheses around the condition if the block doesn't belong to the control flow statement, but that wasn't always the rule
22:32:42 <b_jonas> ".. is both an operator that applies to two values of the same type, and a value" => that's not realy scary, many languages have things that are both infix operators and start of an expression, and they just parse left to right and then it's not ambiguous. the problem here is that .. can be a *suffix operator* with nothing after it or an infix operator
22:35:34 <b_jonas> also an expression alone and a prefix operator
22:36:09 <ais523> fwiw I've decided that the clearest syntax for ranges uses ..^ (from Perl 6) for exclusive ranges and ..= (from Rust) for inclusive ranges
22:36:16 <ais523> that way you don't get confused upon seeing a plain ..
22:36:36 <ais523> this would also distinguish the infix operator from the suffix operator (but the infix and prefix versions would still be the same)
22:39:02 <esolangs> [[Bit bucket]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138924 * Ais523 * (+3085) it's about time this concept was documented there are quite a few redlinks to it
22:42:44 <ais523> <fizzie> Hmm, I wonder if .e2 parses as 0.0e2 (and, consequently, is a zero) in any language. ← in Jelly, a . on its own parses as 0.5; that means that the equivalent of .e2 parses as 50.0 (however, it uses ȷ as its scientific notation separator rather than e)
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22:51:31 <fizzie> Aw, I forgot to do `flush tables with read lock;` when getting the binlog position. I may need to do that read-only thing again. :/
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22:55:15 <ais523> I've finished my big edits for the time being
22:55:23 <fizzie> I guess it's been reasonably quiet now.
22:55:28 <ais523> (I started writing before the maintenance window, then did something else for a few hours, and finished afterwards)
22:57:14 <ais523> also it's weird to see the site notice just appear and disappear like that, without a MediaWiki: page being edited (I know you can set it in the MediaWiki config too)
23:01:38 <b_jonas> ais523: clearly there has to be a way to add a site notice if something is broken or the wiki is already in a read-only mode and you can't edit a MediaWiki: page
23:02:16 <b_jonas> and fizzie probably has access on the server to do that
23:03:20 <b_jonas> it probably happens less on larger mediawiki sites where there are more active wiki admins who don't have computer admin rights
23:03:43 <fizzie> I have to set $wgReadOnly in the config anyway to _make_ it read-only.
23:04:31 <fizzie> It went by a lot quicker now that I wasn't at work getting distracted by work things.
23:10:58 <Sgeo> Is it weird that I think Smalltalk-72's conditionals are weird? (a => (b) => c) means if a then b else c, with an asymmetrical then/else thing that ... makes me think a bit of Swift guard, and makes if/elseif/else easy, like (a => (b) c => (d) e)
23:11:26 <Sgeo> I keep wavering between thinking it's unusual and thinking it's just if/elif/else
23:14:06 <b_jonas> Sgeo: wait what? what's the syntax for the if-else? what you wrote is confusing
23:14:37 <b_jonas> ok that looks more reasonable,
23:14:47 <Sgeo> if a is not false, execute/return b, otherwise return the rest of the expression
23:15:12 <Sgeo> Oh, I guess I miswrote it above
23:15:32 <b_jonas> though it's still strange because Smalltalk is supposed to have built-in syntax to pass lambda closures as a method argument, which means they can just have if-else as an ordinary method on booleans
23:15:50 <b_jonas> and need no special syntax for it
23:16:45 <b_jonas> the arrow is kind of old style and gone out of fashion (which I don't mind), but I don't think it's too strange
23:17:49 <Sgeo> Smalltalk-72 is before blocks. Functions and objects are basically the same, and the way to make an object that responds to different messages is a long if/else chai
23:17:56 <ais523> it seems quite common for modern programming languages to use both -> and => but for different things
23:18:13 <b_jonas> oh, it's *before* blocks syntax?
23:18:26 <b_jonas> I didn't know it was called smalltalk before that
23:19:33 <Sgeo> https://smalltalkzoo.thechm.org/HOPL-St72.html emulator on the web, although it's a bit imperfect, I don't think it responds to clicks. https://bitsavers.org/pdf/xerox/smalltalk/Smalltalk-72_Instruction_Manual_Mar76.pdf manual
23:20:04 <Sgeo> to if exp (:exp?(%then?(:exp. %else?(:". exp)exp)error "(no then))
23:20:04 <Sgeo> %then?(:". %else?(:exp) false)error "(no then))
23:20:04 <Sgeo> 'The ALGOL if ... then ... else ...'
23:20:31 <Sgeo> ... I'm not actually going to try to understand that
23:20:46 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138925&oldid=138879 * DGCK81LNN * (+1122) /* Example programs */
23:20:47 <Sgeo> I guess that arrow is encoded in ASCII as %
23:20:59 <Sgeo> to is how to define new functions/classes
23:21:07 <Sgeo> (Apparently like Logo but I don't know Logo)
23:22:25 <Sgeo> https://github.com/pablomarx/Smalltalk72/blob/a1efa79e5ba678a0bf550ba6797f36013f59e507/system/ALLDEFS#L229
23:22:52 <Sgeo> Definition of falseclass. Actually a primitive but string as comment shows definiton
23:23:19 <Sgeo> Eyeball symbol is true and consumes the next token if the next token in the message matches the thing after eyeball
23:23:35 <ais523> I only ever used the turtle-moving parts of Logo, and repeat-n loops, but apparently it's object-oriented?
23:23:57 <Sgeo> : evaluates something in the message. So you can see how it's an if/else chain for how false should respond to messages
23:26:34 <Sgeo> ? in the if/then/else thing I pasted above is the arrow operator thing. % is eyeball. The Github link is easier to read than trying to paste in here
23:28:44 <b_jonas> ok, I have to admit that does look like very old style code
23:29:01 <b_jonas> they probably learned some of that from forth
23:29:19 <b_jonas> I mean can you still say after that that smalltalk isn't related to forth?
23:48:11 <Sgeo> https://worrydream.com/EarlyHistoryOfSmalltalk/ says that it was inspired by FLEX, PLANNER, LOGO, META II
23:48:35 <Sgeo> (and Lisp, but I think that's mentioned elsewhere in that page)
23:49:37 <Sgeo> ". My next question was, why on earth call it a functional language? Why not just base everything on FEXPRs and force evaluation on the receiving side when needed? "
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04:41:47 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138930&oldid=137957 * Yayimhere * (-73) /* examples */
04:42:36 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138931&oldid=138930 * Yayimhere * (+9) /* examples */
04:43:12 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138932&oldid=138931 * Yayimhere * (+4) /* examples */
04:43:18 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138933&oldid=138932 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* examples */
04:44:06 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138934&oldid=138933 * Yayimhere * (+78) /* examples */
04:44:37 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138935&oldid=138934 * Yayimhere * (+5) /* examples */
04:45:04 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138936&oldid=138935 * Yayimhere * (+1) /* syntax */
04:45:22 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138937&oldid=138936 * Yayimhere * (+2) /* examples */
04:45:46 <esolangs> [[0x80070050]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138938&oldid=138937 * Yayimhere * (+5) /* examples */
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05:27:50 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138940&oldid=138916 * Yayimhere * (+5)
05:27:51 <esolangs> [[One-Instruction Cyclic Tag]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138941&oldid=138939 * Ttulka * (-2) /* Debugging */ phrasing
05:29:25 <esolangs> [[One-Instruction Cyclic Tag]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138942&oldid=138941 * Ttulka * (+16) /* Debugging */ add subtitle
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05:55:40 <esolangs> [[User:Zzo38/Untitled 5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138944&oldid=138943 * Zzo38 * (+5)
06:26:12 <esolangs> [[One-Instruction Cyclic Tag]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138945&oldid=138942 * Ractangle * (+18) /* External resources */
06:26:25 <esolangs> [[One-Instruction Cyclic Tag]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138946&oldid=138945 * Ractangle * (+0) /* External resources */
06:29:32 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138947&oldid=138753 * Yayimhere * (+56)
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08:21:25 <esolangs> [[U (Ractangle)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138949&oldid=138948 * Ractangle * (-13)
08:31:07 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138950&oldid=138848 * Ractangle * (+34) /* Esolangs */
08:31:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Ractangle/TSYALFIC]] to [[NRP]]
08:33:26 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138953&oldid=138951 * Ractangle * (+77)
08:36:27 <esolangs> [[Final Word Of The Day/PkmnQ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138954&oldid=138839 * PkmnQ * (+60) /* Execution */
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10:17:03 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138955&oldid=138953 * Ractangle * (+133)
10:21:27 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138956&oldid=138955 * Ractangle * (+158) /* Syntax */
10:22:16 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138957&oldid=138956 * Ractangle * (+19) /* Syntax */
10:32:52 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138958&oldid=138957 * Ractangle * (+134) /* Syntax */
10:33:12 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138959&oldid=138958 * Ractangle * (+4) /* Syntax */
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11:12:35 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138960&oldid=138947 * Yayimhere * (+39) /* turing completeness proof(WIP) */
11:23:45 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138961&oldid=138960 * Yayimhere * (+373)
11:24:00 <wWwwW> does this proof work?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/X%E2%81%BFx%E2%82%99
11:29:14 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138962&oldid=138908 * Yayimhere * (+10) /* examples */ make all example's be title
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12:20:14 <wWwwW> idk if its correwct
12:33:11 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138963&oldid=138961 * Yayimhere * (+24) /* turing completeness proof(WIP) */
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12:47:08 <esolangs> [[Talk:2KWLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138965&oldid=129369 * None1 * (+2292) /* Computational class */ Turing completeness proof?
12:49:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:2KWLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138966&oldid=138965 * None1 * (+22) /* Computational class */
12:50:34 <esolangs> [[List of quines]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138967&oldid=132466 * None1 * (-71) /* 2KWLang */ Quine no longer work in 2KWLang
12:51:30 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138968&oldid=138904 * Yayimhere * (+179)
12:52:47 <esolangs> [[2KWLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138969&oldid=124856 * None1 * (+217)
12:54:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:2KWLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138970&oldid=138966 * None1 * (+3)
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13:21:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:Isomorphism]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138972&oldid=138971 * Yayimhere * (+111) /* In fact, it isn't the real "Esolang". */
13:21:42 <esolangs> [[Minsky machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138973&oldid=136431 * None1 * (+13) /* External resources */
13:22:05 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138974&oldid=138750 * PrySigneToFry * (+2) Warring
13:23:50 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138975&oldid=138672 * Eugene * (+349) /* Introductions */
13:29:34 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138976 * Yayimhere * (+785) Created page with "'''Savage Operator''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] inspired by [[Unlambda]] == syntax form == a operator is applied with [[Prefix Notation]] and brackets around a string <code>e</code>: `e* == operators == some of these are represented with [[Lam
13:37:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:Gd auto level]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138977 * PrySigneToFry * (+1553) Created page with "== Changed thing and added thing by PSTF == === Suggestion === In fact, trajectory can be marked with , but not "t". === Added commands === # <code><nowiki>"</nowiki></code> will let player to collect all characters to the stack that quoted. # <code><no
13:42:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * None1 * uploaded "[[File:Look.png]]": [[Look!]] logo (cat program)
13:43:10 <esolangs> [[Look!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138979&oldid=123652 * None1 * (+43)
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13:51:35 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138981&oldid=138572 * Dylanbeattie * (+107) Add Rockstar with explanation.
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13:56:45 <esolangs> [[Istoriya]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138982 * Eugene * (+24991) Created page with "'''Istoriya''' is a language based on Ukrainian history lines from External independent evaluation for Ukrainian schools. The language is not [[Turing-complete]]. == Principles == A line is a single command or a single character. First line of a program in Istoriya m
14:00:41 <esolangs> [[Istoriya]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138983&oldid=138982 * Eugene * (+71) categories
14:03:23 <esolangs> [[Aheui]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138984&oldid=135626 * PrySigneToFry * (+139) If I did wrong, undo this.
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14:30:49 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138986&oldid=138963 * Yayimhere * (-5) /* turing completeness proof(WIP) */
14:31:10 <wWwwW> sorry for asking agian but. is the proof correct?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/X%E2%81%BFx%E2%82%99#turing_completeness_proof
15:08:57 <sprout> looks like a reduction in the wrong direction to me
15:09:45 <sprout> you don't need to show underload can run your programs since we know that, it's TC
15:10:02 <wWwwW> im trying to show that it is esolang
15:10:18 <sprout> you need to show that your language can run underload, then it's TC, given that underload is TC
15:10:40 <wWwwW> i translated each underload command
15:10:52 <sprout> okay, then it's correct
15:11:08 <sprout> well, the direction is
15:11:36 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138987&oldid=138986 * Yayimhere * (+1) /* turing completeness proof */
15:12:24 <sprout> but it says 'translation to underload'
15:12:31 <sprout> that's the wrong direction
15:12:52 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138988&oldid=138987 * Yayimhere * (+2) /* turing completeness proof */
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15:27:38 <sprout> now you need to show the minimal subset of underload you translated is TC
15:28:01 <wWwwW> its...on the underlaod page
15:29:59 <sprout> ah, you could repeat that
15:30:26 <sprout> anyway, gl. not going to check the argument
15:30:32 <sprout> maybe someone else will
15:30:43 <esolangs> [[User:Eugene]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138989 * Eugene * (+363) Created page with "Hello from Ukraine. My interest in esoteric programming is that it can be a nice pun to use a program in such a language in literature or art. Ideally, in Ukrainian one, thus I search languages that use Ukrainian or are verbal language neutral. So far I found only [[
15:32:38 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138990&oldid=138988 * Yayimhere * (+32) /* turing completeness proof */
15:33:26 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138991&oldid=138990 * Yayimhere * (+23) /* turing completeness proof */
15:37:14 <esolangs> [[Istoriya]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138992&oldid=138983 * Eugene * (+151)
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15:47:30 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138994&oldid=138993 * Ractangle * (+38) /* Syntax */
15:48:28 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138995&oldid=138991 * Yayimhere * (+73) /* turing completeness proof */
15:49:09 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138996&oldid=138994 * Ractangle * (+62)
15:50:21 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138997&oldid=138995 * Yayimhere * (+6) /* turing completeness proof */
15:57:00 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138998&oldid=138996 * Ractangle * (+6) /* Examples */
15:57:08 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138999&oldid=138998 * Ractangle * (-1) /* Examples */
15:59:13 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139000&oldid=138999 * Ractangle * (+92) /* Syntax */
16:00:44 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139001&oldid=138997 * Yayimhere * (-8) /* examples */
16:02:37 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139002&oldid=139001 * Yayimhere * (+58) /* examples */
16:02:51 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139003&oldid=139002 * Yayimhere * (-1) /* examples */
16:03:45 <esolangs> [[Isomorphism]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139004&oldid=134850 * Corbin * (+73) Add disambiguation here. We may also later want a page for languages which focus on isomorphisms, like Boomerang or Janus.
16:03:47 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139005&oldid=139003 * Yayimhere * (+24) /* turing completeness proof */
16:09:05 <wWwwW> what computational class do you guys suspect dis to be?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/W)
16:11:32 <korvo> There's not enough information provided. Can the machine even halt?
16:11:59 <wWwwW> but i want to add that
16:12:39 <esolangs> [[W)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139006&oldid=138883 * Yayimhere * (+43)
16:13:40 <korvo> I'm going to guess that it's decideable in doubly-exponential time.
16:14:04 <wWwwW> i just want to know
16:14:26 <korvo> I could say that I picked a class that isn't practical to test for but is still decidable in order to be infuriating~
16:14:56 <korvo> I think that we can first slide all of the IPs off the board except for those which potentially go infinite, akin to Tarski's quantifier elimination.
16:15:34 <korvo> And then we can use cycle-counting to determine where any infinite loops might happen and then do a sort of exponential boost to force them to converge to a single behavior.
16:15:53 <korvo> This sounds a lot like Tarski's approach to the real numbers, which is also doubly-exponential.
16:16:45 <korvo> Having multiple IPs fundamentally doesn't make this harder, because we can simulate all IPs at once. If they were concurrent then we'd have issues.
16:17:35 <korvo> It might be worth knowing that in the presence of *true* threads, the number of possible orderings of execution is superfactorial in the number of instructions being threaded.
16:18:03 <korvo> It's kind of a jawdropping bound and I don't know anything else quite like it. In that case, I still think it'd be decidable but I have no clue how to quantify the time taken.
16:20:15 <wWwwW> they are concurrent
16:21:01 <korvo> The page doesn't make the small-step behavior clear. On a single step of an emulator, do we handle one IP or all IPs?
16:21:33 <esolangs> [[W)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139007&oldid=139006 * Yayimhere * (+31)
16:21:53 <korvo> Okay. Then I'm sticking with my first story. That's definitely simpler than if only one IP can run. Threading is very hard to reason about.
16:22:34 <wWwwW> i said all. all pointers are ran at one step
16:24:23 <korvo> Yes, and I'm saying that that means to please ignore the superfactorial guess and consider the doubly-exponential guess instead.
16:24:46 <wWwwW> im still confsed but ok
16:25:14 <korvo> Oh, also, what happens if two IPs intersect?
16:25:28 <wWwwW> i need to specify on page
16:25:51 <wWwwW> the one from left or bottom is moved to the upper left corner of program
16:26:51 <esolangs> [[W)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139008&oldid=139007 * Yayimhere * (+105)
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16:29:09 <korvo> It's progress. A lot of these questions will arise naturally if you try implementing your language.
16:29:25 <wWwwW> im stupid and tired
16:29:31 <wWwwW> and i don want to tbh
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16:40:19 <esolangs> [[Larry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139009&oldid=138838 * ArsenicCatnip * (+538) Added implementation references. Gonna need to clean up the introduction
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16:57:46 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139010&oldid=139005 * Yayimhere * (-8) /* turing completeness proof */
16:57:56 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139011&oldid=139010 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* examples */
16:58:54 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139012&oldid=139011 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* turing completeness proof */
16:59:43 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139013&oldid=139012 * Yayimhere * (+14)
17:04:32 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139014&oldid=138919 * Eugene * (+15) /* I */
17:05:10 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139015&oldid=139013 * Yayimhere * (+43)
17:05:52 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139016&oldid=139015 * Yayimhere * (+39) /* syntax */
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17:07:32 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139017&oldid=139016 * Yayimhere * (-35) /* examples */
17:08:59 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139018&oldid=139017 * Yayimhere * (-76) /* examples */
17:09:16 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139019&oldid=139018 * Yayimhere * (+27) /* syntax */
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17:14:32 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139021&oldid=139000 * Ractangle * (+27) /* Syntax */
17:15:10 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139022&oldid=139021 * Ractangle * (+11) /* Truth-machine without loop */
17:15:59 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139023&oldid=139022 * Ractangle * (+27) /* Examples */
17:17:51 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139024&oldid=139023 * Ractangle * (+10) /* Syntax */
17:18:19 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139025&oldid=139024 * Ractangle * (+4) /* Truth-machine without loopCitation neded */
17:18:53 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139026&oldid=139025 * Ractangle * (-22) /* Syntax */
17:19:14 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139027&oldid=139020 * Yayimhere * (+66)
17:19:45 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139028&oldid=139026 * Ractangle * (-10) /* Examples */
17:21:27 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139029&oldid=138975 * Sashko875 * (+119)
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17:35:39 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139030&oldid=139028 * Ractangle * (+27) /* Truth-machine[Citation needed] */
17:37:20 <esolangs> [[Up down up up left]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139031 * Yayimhere * (+244) Created page with "{{Lowercase}} '''Up down up up left''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its just [[Underload]] but with a single change: <code>^</code> will now just append the top of stack to program the append another <code>^</code> to the program"
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17:54:17 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139033&oldid=139032 * Ractangle * (+19) /* Syntax */
17:54:50 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139034&oldid=139033 * Ractangle * (+3) /* Syntax */
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19:07:48 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139036&oldid=138985 * Ractangle * (+25)
19:10:18 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139037&oldid=139034 * Ractangle * (-28) /* Examples */
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20:11:30 <esolangs> [[MEMORYLEEK]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139038&oldid=132262 * Aadenboy * (+0) /* Hello, World! Program */ fixed instruction
20:11:42 <esolangs> [[Minsky machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139039&oldid=138973 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+13) /* External resources */ Wayback
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22:00:54 <esolangs> [[Burroughs 5000 assembly language]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139040 * Sgeo * (+52) It's esoteric that there exist computers for which there is no assembly language.
22:01:37 <Sgeo> That's... probably not actually suitable for the wiki unless "This language doesn't exist" is a language
22:02:06 <Sgeo> Also the ALGOL variant it used did have a way to specify machine instructions, so... maybe that does count as an assembly language?
22:13:16 <b_jonas> I don't see why there could be articles for nonexistant or even theoretically impossible languages. There are already some joke pages like that, and a proof or even conjecture that some properties can't be combined in a language could be interesting.
22:13:42 <b_jonas> (Plus there's of course the nonexistent https://esolangs.org/wiki/PL/MIX )
22:14:22 <b_jonas> oh, and https://esolangs.org/wiki/Kvikkalkul might be nonexistent
22:15:26 <Sgeo> Someone could in theory create a B5000 assembly language I think, it's just... designed for more high level languages
22:15:59 <esolangs> [[User:B jonas/List]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139041&oldid=137449 * B jonas * (+87) +Kvikkalkul
22:16:46 <b_jonas> Sgeo: sure, and someone could create interpreters for many of the large number of boring languages with short articles here.
22:17:10 <b_jonas> most of them just have a short and often ambiguous description with no examples and no explanation for why it's interesting
22:17:32 <b_jonas> would you count those as nonexistant?
22:19:26 <Sgeo> I want to draw the "existence" line at whether or not there's an unambiguous definition. But I'd guess some real languages have ambiguous definitions. And also someone would try to make a language whose existence is ambiguous, by potentially but not necessarily being well specified
22:19:43 <Sgeo> Maybe a part of the definition relies on an open math problem?
22:20:08 <Sgeo> I bet that already, ehm. Exists. though
22:22:29 <b_jonas> but something close to it using fermat's last conjecture existed somewhere I think
22:24:43 <b_jonas> I can't find it, and I don't think it was done in an interesting way either, so something like that may have potential
22:27:32 <Sgeo> What's the largest twin prime pair we know?
22:27:52 <Sgeo> I... can't promise I'd actually come up with an interesting way of doing things
22:32:05 <b_jonas> I mean, if you want an open math problem, then we have ordinary languages like unlambda that may or may not be able to solve NP-complete problems in polynomial time
22:32:22 <JAA> https://t5k.org/largest.html claims 2996863034895 * 2^1290000 +- 1.
22:32:35 <b_jonas> and they may or may not be able to test graph isomorphism in polynomial time
22:33:16 <b_jonas> (my guess is of course can't solve NP-complete and can solve grpah isomorphism)
22:36:00 <Sgeo> I could do something like say it's a brainfuck derivative where the symbol for "+" for example is log_2 of the largest twin prime center, "-" is log_2 of the second largest
22:36:13 <Sgeo> That feels a bit... trivial
22:41:47 <b_jonas> how I think one language does it is that the source code must contain the solution for a hard problem. how you could do that properly is to require that the source code contains a proof for a hard Ramsey number, because you can validate that quickly, and it's at least guaranteed that a proof exists (though only an exponential-sized proof is guaranteed admittedly).
22:42:53 <b_jonas> and unlike your example, the meaning of the program won't depend on what we have computed so far, the semantics is well-defined in an absolute sense
22:43:59 <b_jonas> btw Sgeo the problem with that brainfuck derivative is that brainfuck is known to be Turing-complete if you can only increment each cell once an never decrement it, so you can program it that way
22:44:40 <Sgeo> I meant "largest that exists". It's an open question if there are a finite number of twin primes. So if there's an infinite number there is no usable language, but there's a possibility to program in it but not known how
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22:44:55 <Sgeo> I should look up Ramsey number
22:45:58 <b_jonas> Sgeo: what matters here is that it's something we know how to compute in bounded time in theory, but that bounded time is exponentially large and large enough that it's not feasable on current computers. substitute the proof of who has winning or drawing strategy in chess if you prefer.
22:48:26 <Sgeo> I think you have a different idea of what this language should do than I had
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02:13:44 <korvo> I did think the twin-prime thing was cool. I'm not going to add MtG to the BB Gauge because it's rather big and copyrighted, but maybe I should add Wang tiles.
02:14:29 <korvo> I had considered doing Post correspondence machines but I think that the functor from Turing machines to PCPs is rather too good for this; I'm not sure how to handwrite a better PCP.
02:15:07 <korvo> Er, *PCMs. A PCP is quite different.
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03:34:39 <esolangs> [[Mathfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139044 * Sgeo * (+739) Mathfuck
03:35:10 <Sgeo> It's possible that it's ... more solvable than expected if mod256 makes things... more predictable
03:36:08 <Sgeo> Also not sure how to deal with the possibility of overlaps. For the twin prime ones, I could say that they could be second largest twin prime pair
03:38:11 <Sgeo> Doesn't really fit "We don't know if it's a language or not"
03:39:01 <korvo> I don't know about odd perfect numbers, but the others are good (mod 256). Collatz counterexamples must be multiples of 3 and twin primes must be of the form 6k ± 1.
04:05:19 <Sgeo> I feel like I'm wasting the beautiful name Mathfuck. Especially since this is BitChanger (I just looked for something with fewer commands)
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04:53:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:NRP]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139045 * Yayimhere * (+141) Created page with "is this allowed?: 1 = 1 1. can i do that? [~~~~]"
05:04:20 <zzo38> With GCC, can you use -no-integrated-cpp and -wrapper to add extra steps before and after the preprocessor? Can this or something similar be used with Clang also?
05:08:02 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139046&oldid=138976 * Yayimhere * (+1) /* syntax form */
05:09:24 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139047&oldid=139046 * Yayimhere * (+82) /* operators */
05:09:35 <wWwwW> is a loop possible?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Savage_Operator
05:14:52 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139048&oldid=139047 * Yayimhere * (+1)
05:15:12 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139049&oldid=139048 * Yayimhere * (+17)
05:17:24 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139050&oldid=139049 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* syntax form */
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05:20:00 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139051&oldid=139050 * Yayimhere * (+54)
05:29:05 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139052&oldid=139051 * Yayimhere * (+94)
05:33:50 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139053&oldid=139052 * Yayimhere * (+21)
05:34:31 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139054&oldid=139053 * Yayimhere * (-194) /* operators */
05:40:44 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139055&oldid=139054 * Yayimhere * (+0)
05:45:00 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139056&oldid=139055 * Yayimhere * (+17)
05:50:48 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139057&oldid=139056 * Yayimhere * (+283) /* operators */
05:51:52 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139058&oldid=139057 * Yayimhere * (+85) /* turing completeness proof */
05:52:57 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139059&oldid=139058 * Yayimhere * (+47) /* turing completeness proof */
05:53:04 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139060&oldid=139059 * Yayimhere * (+0)
05:53:11 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139061&oldid=139060 * Yayimhere * (+0)
05:55:53 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139062&oldid=139061 * Yayimhere * (+8) /* turing completeness proof */
05:56:39 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139063&oldid=139062 * Yayimhere * (+0)
06:00:39 <esolangs> [[Talk:Unlambda]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139064&oldid=24258 * Yayimhere * (+46) /* My attempt at compiling Unlambda to D */
06:03:45 <esolangs> [[Prefix notation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139065&oldid=133810 * Yayimhere * (+1) /* Examples */ the space made more sense based on the syntax
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06:09:36 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139066&oldid=139063 * Yayimhere * (-68)
06:10:58 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139067&oldid=139066 * Yayimhere * (+48) /* turing completeness proof */
06:14:52 <b_jonas> zzo38: I don't know, but you can use gcc -E to stop after running the preprocessor, and use gcc $basename.i or gcc -x cpp-output $filename to pass an already preprocessed C file (and similarly for C++), so you can just do all the preprocessing steps manually that way before you compile
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06:21:00 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139068&oldid=139067 * Yayimhere * (+21)
06:22:07 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139069&oldid=139068 * Yayimhere * (+85)
06:49:41 <wWwwW> are there any esolangs that use surreal numbers?
06:51:00 <wWwwW> also if i understand
06:51:17 <wWwwW> are just numbers holding not only reals
06:51:22 <wWwwW> but also infinty's
06:51:29 <wWwwW> and infinitly small numberas
07:05:30 <esolangs> [[Mountain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139070&oldid=138472 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+20)
07:07:07 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139071&oldid=137045 * Yayimhere * (+0)
07:07:33 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139072&oldid=139036 * Yayimhere * (+13) /* eoslangs */
07:07:42 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139073&oldid=139072 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* eoslangs */
07:09:14 <esolangs> [[Mountain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139074&oldid=139070 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-11) /* Examples */
07:12:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139075&oldid=139045 * Yayimhere * (+128)
07:13:32 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139076&oldid=139037 * Yayimhere * (+40) /* Examples */
07:15:09 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139077&oldid=139076 * Yayimhere * (+56) /* Examples */
07:15:44 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139078&oldid=139077 * Yayimhere * (+5) /* Looping counter(not printing) */
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07:37:08 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139079&oldid=139078 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Truth-machine */
07:38:18 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139080&oldid=139079 * Ractangle * (+26)
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07:41:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139081&oldid=139075 * Ractangle * (+174)
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07:45:18 <esolangs> [[Linear]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139082 * Yayimhere * (+730) Created page with "'''Linear''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] == syntax == the program is made up of a list of lists separated by spaces. lists themselves are set up like this: n, m where <code>n and m</code> are positive integers == semantics == for every n, and m we do thi
07:46:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139083&oldid=138502 * Ractangle * (+4) /* can somebody explain why cant i make DISPLAYTITLE work properly */
07:47:02 <esolangs> [[U (PrySigneToFry)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139084&oldid=137597 * Ractangle * (+28) /* Category */
07:49:28 <esolangs> [[EML]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139085&oldid=68231 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Describe EML. */
07:59:34 <esolangs> [[F uck you]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139086&oldid=126515 * Yayimhere * (-34)
08:01:21 <esolangs> [[StatiC]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139087 * Squidmanescape * (+455) Created page with "'''StatiC''' is a C-like language which is entirely static. It doesn't allocate or deallocate memory. == Syntax == The syntax is like C except you can't use malloc() and free(). You also can't use any standard functions unless you define them yourself, which mean
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08:02:51 <esolangs> [[StatiC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139088&oldid=139087 * Squidmanescape * (-2) /* Integer */
08:04:30 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[2D]] to [[User:Ractangle/2D]]
08:04:45 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139091&oldid=139089 * Ractangle * (+5) /* Examples */
08:05:03 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139092&oldid=139091 * Ractangle * (+6) /* Examples */
08:07:54 <esolangs> [[StatiC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139093&oldid=139088 * Squidmanescape * (+268) /* Syntax */
08:08:19 <esolangs> [[StatiC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139094&oldid=139093 * Squidmanescape * (+29) /* Syntax */
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09:12:25 <esolangs> [[NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139095&oldid=139080 * Yayimhere * (-60) /* Looping counter(not printing) */
09:13:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139096&oldid=139081 * Yayimhere * (+139)
09:15:19 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139097&oldid=138950 * Ractangle * (+10) /* Esolangs */
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10:22:25 <esolangs> [[AI made dis]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139098 * Yayimhere * (+3093) Created page with "'''AI made dis''' is a esolang created by chatGPT. it was prompted by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its named FROSTWIRE-666 although i will use that name elsewhere == Memory Model == The language operates on 666 nodes, each capable of holding an integer. <br> These are ind
10:25:51 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Ractangle/2D]] to [[Literally just a turing machine]]
10:29:03 <wWwwW> does the proof of TC'ness work?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Savage_Operator
10:30:57 <esolangs> [[Literally just a turing machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139101&oldid=139099 * Ractangle * (-261)
10:32:17 <esolangs> [[Literally just a turing machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139102&oldid=139101 * Yayimhere * (-11) /* Examples */ categories should not be in pre
10:33:50 <esolangs> [[Literally just a turing machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139103&oldid=139102 * Ractangle * (-40) /* Examples */
10:34:51 <esolangs> [[Literally just a turing machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139104&oldid=139103 * Ractangle * (-52) /* Commands */
10:35:11 <esolangs> [[Bubblegum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139105&oldid=90078 * PkmnQ * (-28) /* Reference implementation */ Though likely, still not proven Turing-complete
10:37:49 <esolangs> [[Literally just a turing machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139106&oldid=139104 * Ractangle * (+62) /* Examples */
10:38:04 <esolangs> [[Literally just a turing machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139107&oldid=139106 * Ractangle * (-30) /* Truth-machine */
10:38:36 <esolangs> [[Literally just a turing machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139108&oldid=139107 * Ractangle * (+35) /* Commands */
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10:54:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:SchrderBernstein theorem]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139109 * Yayimhere * (+120) Created page with "delete dis plz. empty [~~~~]"
11:03:07 <esolangs> [[Brainshit]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139110 * Yayimhere * (+347) Created page with "'''Brainshit''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]], its just [[BF]] but different == changes == first of all commands are changed like this: + -> { - -> } [ -> [ ] -> ] > -> ( < -> ) also all brackets must be matched. also this is not allowed: [(]) so
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11:24:51 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Yayimhere * uploaded "[[File:RECT4n=GLE.jpg]]"
11:25:02 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139112&oldid=138575 * Yayimhere * (+39)
11:27:07 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139113&oldid=139112 * Yayimhere * (+31) /* real tiles */
11:31:53 <wWwwW> is this proof correct?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Savage_Operator
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11:57:52 <esolangs> [[Literally just a turing machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139114&oldid=139108 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Truth-machine */
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12:16:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139117&oldid=139116 * Ractangle * (+45)
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12:42:59 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139118&oldid=139115 * Yayimhere * (+13) /* esolangs */
12:43:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139119&oldid=139117 * Ractangle * (+165)
12:43:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139120&oldid=139119 * Ractangle * (+4)
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12:45:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139122&oldid=139121 * Yayimhere * (+2)
12:47:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:NRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139123&oldid=139122 * Ractangle * (+6)
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13:07:44 <esolangs> [[Func()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139124&oldid=137202 * Yayimhere * (-1) /* examples */
13:07:54 <esolangs> [[Func()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139125&oldid=139124 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* examples */
13:16:24 <esolangs> [[Wiki/pedia/.org]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139126&oldid=138062 * Yayimhere * (+2)
13:18:40 <esolangs> [[!()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139127&oldid=136747 * Yayimhere * (-3)
13:19:10 <esolangs> [[!()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139128&oldid=139127 * Yayimhere * (+1)
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13:25:18 <esolangs> [[User talk:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139129&oldid=138469 * PrySigneToFry * (+641)
13:27:42 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139130&oldid=132875 * PrySigneToFry * (+58)
13:28:28 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139131&oldid=138468 * PrySigneToFry * (+44)
13:31:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Translated ZhongWen/None1]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139132 * PrySigneToFry * (+518) Created page with "I registered to Baidu, so I has this version: <pre> "said SREC > M" __ > + > > "Qing T Qing Pa I"D->a>1 =# --PPPPPPPP..."
13:40:26 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139133&oldid=139131 * MihaiEso * (+46)
13:41:08 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139134&oldid=139133 * MihaiEso * (-3) Oops, AutoHotkey done that.
13:43:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:^]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139135 * Yayimhere * (+135) Created page with "then what would dis program do?: ^^ [~~~~]"
13:43:42 <wWwwW> i have a weak esolang concept
13:43:48 <wWwwW> can anybody help me with expanding it?
13:46:14 <sprout> ah, the concept of a plan. good
13:47:05 <wWwwW> shall i say the concept or....?
13:52:02 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/MihaiEso]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139136 * MihaiEso * (+1294) Created page with "Crazier version of [[Translated ZhongWen/None1]] 1. Take the semiproduct <pre> "said SREC > M" __ > + > > "Qing T Qing Pa I"D->a>1 =# --PPPPP..."
13:53:01 <sprout> this is irc, don't ask to ask
13:54:34 <wWwwW> my concept: a esolang where memory is sotred in the IP
13:54:49 <wWwwW> this is no asciidots
14:04:42 <esolangs> [[Translated !English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139137&oldid=125757 * MihaiEso * (+20)
14:08:09 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139138&oldid=138981 * MihaiEso * (+78) /* Horribly translated variants */
14:13:53 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139139&oldid=139027 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* turing completeness proof */
14:14:41 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139140&oldid=139139 * Yayimhere * (+35) /* syntax */
14:17:02 <esolangs> [[Translated CreativeASM]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139141 * MihaiEso * (+3127) Created page with "There are a lot of horribly translated languages that the originals look like English and are translated with like Baidu. We are translating a high-level assembly language with ModernMT! 1. Take this example: <pre> @ A calculator program in CreativeASM
14:18:11 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139142&oldid=137002 * MihaiEso * (+78)
14:22:39 <esolangs> [[Translated CreativeASM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139143&oldid=139141 * MihaiEso * (+67)
14:27:48 <esolangs> [[AmBored++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139144&oldid=68984 * Ractangle * (+30) /* See also */
14:28:54 <esolangs> [[AmBored--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139145&oldid=68985 * Ractangle * (+30) /* See also */
14:42:31 <esolangs> [[User:GUAqwq/brainfuck quine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139146 * GUAqwq * (+9496) Created page with "My quine, inspired by [[User:Hakerh400/How_to_write_quines]]. >>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
14:43:04 <esolangs> [[User:GUAqwq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139147&oldid=138129 * GUAqwq * (+48)
14:43:13 <esolangs> [[User:GUAqwq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139148&oldid=139147 * GUAqwq * (+2)
14:45:26 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso/Sandbox 3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139149&oldid=130853 * MihaiEso * (+9)
14:45:58 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso/Sandbox 3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139150&oldid=139149 * MihaiEso * (+0)
14:52:09 <esolangs> [[Category:Generated by AI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139151&oldid=131363 * MihaiEso * (+15)
14:52:19 <esolangs> [[Category:Generated by AI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139152&oldid=139151 * MihaiEso * (+4)
14:56:18 <esolangs> [[User:PkmnQ/Wrong Wrap]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139153 * PkmnQ * (+1143) Created page with "[[Wrong Wrap]] is an esolang derived from an attempt to create a 2D language where NOP is the only instruction. == Execution == In programs, the only thing that matters is the length of each line. Non-newline characters are all interpreted as NOPs. We'll tak
14:59:02 <esolangs> [[AI made dis]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139154&oldid=139098 * MihaiEso * (+97)
14:59:42 <esolangs> [[User:GUAqwq/brainfuck quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139155&oldid=139146 * Cycwin * (+739)
15:01:01 <esolangs> [[User:PkmnQ/Wrong Wrap]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139156&oldid=139153 * MihaiEso * (+2)
15:01:45 <esolangs> [[Translated CreativeASM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139157&oldid=139143 * MihaiEso * (+22)
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15:25:56 <esolangs> [[Sorry]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139158 * Xff * (+597) Created page with "'''Sorry''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its under load but with one change that makes Sorry have only two commands == information == there is one change. now the <code>^</code> does dis: :pop top 4 elements. the first popped is a second popped is b, third poppe
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15:42:01 <korvo> wWwwW: If you say so. A common theme in your writing is a lack of clarity and foundations; it's not clear *what* your languages manipulate.
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15:47:09 <korvo> If I assume Unlambda's semantics, then I think I understand your Savage Operator claim, but I have to make that assumption; I have to copy information about another language into your setting.
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15:49:41 <PCWWWWW> i have gotten strangely addicted to underload: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Sorry
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15:53:17 <PCWWWWW> im like 99.999% sure that sorry is TC but idk
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17:54:15 <wWwwW> korvo what question are you answering?
17:54:33 <korvo> wWwwW: TC-ness of Savage Operator.
17:55:19 <wWwwW> which part is confusing?
17:57:56 <esolangs> [[Talk:How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139211&oldid=139202 * Yayimhere * (+109)
17:58:08 <korvo> It's not confusing, it's unclear.
18:03:58 <esolangs> [[Yaren]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139212&oldid=94314 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+190) Rewrite, add interpreter
18:05:27 <korvo> I'm not sure how the append operations would work. I'm also not clear on how ∞ works; for example, what is ∞i equivalent to?
18:06:15 <wWwwW> so appendsaion would be like dis lambda: λx.λy.x y
18:06:44 <wWwwW> would make the ∞ actually be ran instead of just be a string of opertors
18:09:11 <wWwwW> i wil edit the page
18:09:48 <wWwwW> the alphja append is just the same but the y is moved inside the brackets of y
18:12:32 <korvo> Mm. Okay, I think I understand how I would interpret this, but now I'm no longer certain that the S and K given are correct. I'd need to see you work out the reduction rules first.
18:12:50 <korvo> I'm not going to ask you to do that, because it could be a lot of work, but I hope that it's obvious *why* I can't just guess.
18:12:55 <wWwwW> gimme an expression
18:13:11 <korvo> How about SKK? It should reduce to I.
18:13:30 <wWwwW> so lets take the expression
18:13:40 <wWwwW> in savage opperator
18:14:02 <wWwwW> cuz K don work for two inputs
18:16:03 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139213&oldid=139069 * Yayimhere * (+15) /* turing completeness proof */
18:16:23 <wWwwW> gimme somethin else plz
18:19:50 <korvo> How about SII? I hope you're seeing the power of implementing a language rather than merely guessing at it.
18:19:52 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139214&oldid=139213 * Yayimhere * (-36)
18:20:20 <wWwwW> your missing an input to S
18:21:49 <korvo> Why wasn't that a problem for SKK?
18:22:16 <wWwwW> i though it was KSK
18:22:29 <wWwwW> how that works in combinatory logic
18:23:02 <wWwwW> ig the last could just be a like
18:23:08 <wWwwW> just "placeholder"
18:23:12 <wWwwW> or what you would say
18:23:15 <korvo> Well, Kxy -> x, right? So what happens with KSK?
18:23:30 <wWwwW> in normal combinatory logic?
18:23:47 <korvo> Why would this not be normal combinatory logic?
18:23:52 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139215&oldid=139214 * Yayimhere * (+8) /* operators */
18:24:36 <wWwwW> with to input the first one would be ignored
18:25:35 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139216&oldid=139215 * Yayimhere * (+37) /* turing completeness proof */
18:26:27 <korvo> So the behavior of K should change depending on how many arguments it's applied to?
18:26:43 <wWwwW> cuz¨the a is for adding the y as input
18:27:04 <korvo> Well, that would be a reason for this not to be normal combinatory logic. Combinators should normally be extensional.
18:27:15 <wWwwW> this is just an application
18:27:21 <wWwwW> i could generalize
18:27:54 <korvo> Like, when I said that SKK -> I, I should have said SKKx -> Ix for all x. And that's because SKKx -> Kx(Kx) -> x, and also Ix -> x. Does this make sense?
18:28:11 <wWwwW> im kinda streseed gimme sec
18:28:19 <wWwwW> since a is just to appl,y
18:32:26 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139217&oldid=139216 * Yayimhere * (-520) /* turing completeness proof */
18:32:38 <esolangs> [[Robot Is Chill]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139218&oldid=130155 * Ataberk * (+45) added external github link
18:33:40 <korvo> Do you want to understand the rest of the TC proof anyway? You hadn't constructed the important part yet.
18:34:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ataberk * moved [[Robot Is Chill]] to [[ROBOT IS CHILL]]: Misspelled title: per https://discord.com/channels/842220825226379265/853048386311028746/1284582140993867847
18:35:00 <korvo> You don't just need to implement S and K. You need to show that your implementation is *faithful*, meaning that for every legal reduction of S and K in combinators, there's a legal reduction in Savage Operator which performs equivalent moves.
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18:35:19 <korvo> Like, your SKK needs to reduce to something like I using Savage Operator's rules alone.
18:35:36 <korvo> Don't ask to ask; just ask.
18:36:19 <wWwwW> but like. you can infintly nest (λx. ), (λx.λy. x y), and (λx. x)
18:36:28 <wWwwW> those lambda expressions
18:37:31 <korvo> That first one isn't an expression of lambda calculus.
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18:39:57 <korvo> Like, use De Bruijn indices. The second expression is λλ(10) and the third expression is λ0. The first expression is λ... and then what?
18:40:35 <wWwwW> wait the third one
18:40:50 <wWwwW> did you swap third
18:42:08 <korvo> No, I think I got it right. De Bruijn indices are notoriously tricky, though. Think of a De Bruijn index as counting the number of lambda binders to the left in-between the variable's binding and its usage.
18:42:40 <korvo> λ0 is definitely the way to express the identity function. I count starting from 0, which isn't universal; some people would write those as λ1 and λλ(21) respectively.
18:44:16 <wWwwW> how does that work?
18:44:23 <korvo> Anyway, the rest of the TC proof would start by constructing SII. I picked it because SIIx -> Ix(Ix) -> x(x). It applies things to themselves! This is a "Turing bird" and it's not always possible to build.
18:44:51 <korvo> Oh, I don't know. That's what I'm saying; your (λx.) operator doesn't do something I understand in terms of LC.
18:45:36 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139224&oldid=139223 * Yayimhere * (+11) /* operators */
18:46:12 <korvo> Anyway, then notice that SII(SII) reduces to itself. This is sometimes called an "omega" expression.
18:46:49 <korvo> And then the TC-ness of SK is that we can't decide whether an expression is reducible to something that can't be reduced further, or whether reduction goes forever in a loop.
18:47:19 <wWwwW> ik that fact for once!dis is from when i wroked on why tho
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18:56:38 <wWwwW> but is netseting of λ(0) and λλ(1 0) tc?
18:56:41 <korvo> No worries. Glad that it's making more sense.
18:57:59 <korvo> No, that basis isn't TC. In terms of combinators, it's not stronger than BCI.
18:59:56 <korvo> Because all you can do is identity and composition, like the BI basis, or like the theory of categories. Because B has a couple different ways of being phrased, we usually include C too for a saner basis.
19:00:23 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139229&oldid=139228 * Yayimhere * (+61)
19:00:31 <wWwwW> wait now it should work
19:01:36 <esolangs> [[Braintrust]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139230&oldid=35662 * Ractangle * (+12)
19:02:00 <wWwwW> that shouldnt work
19:02:08 <wWwwW> im sad for msome reason:(
19:03:14 <korvo> K gives you the ability to delete a value from the context. To make something like that, you need like λλ1, something that has a binder which goes unused.
19:03:55 <korvo> Also, S gives you the ability to duplicate a value. To make something like that, you'd need to use an index twice.
19:04:36 <wWwwW> starting indexing at 0
19:05:17 <korvo> It's the flip of K. Swapped arguments. It'll still work, as long as you keep in mind that it can't do the whole "konstant" thing that K is normally used for.
19:05:31 <korvo> Sometimes you'll see KI used for this.
19:06:32 <korvo> Anyway, that's why λ0 and λλ(10) can't be a basis. Both of these are *linear*; a linear term uses every bound variable exactly once.
19:07:08 <korvo> And no basis of linear terms can be more expressive than BCI, because (hard part) there's an algorithm that turns any linear type signature into a BCI expression.
19:09:39 <wWwwW> is the correct one
19:09:46 <wWwwW> we would copy a term
19:11:16 <korvo> I don't think so, just from counting binders. Also note where parens are; they indicate applications, not abstractions.
19:11:29 <korvo> Like, I'm reading those as λλλ(10) and λλλ(00) respectively.
19:12:06 <wWwwW> korvo: re: and that is it
19:12:32 <korvo> In something like S, which I'll write λλλ((20)(10)) we see that index 0 is used twice at a single level of abstraction. That's a non-linear use.
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19:14:12 <wWwwW> im so stupid and dumb
19:14:43 <korvo> No, you're *inexperienced*. And I'm not really doing anything else right now.
19:15:27 <korvo> Copied it and applied it to itself. I don't know whether that's capable of building TC behavior, but I'm sure somebody's worked it out somewhere.
19:16:23 <wWwwW> i think ive got a sketch of S
19:16:53 <wWwwW> from now on ill bne suing normal lambda calculus
19:16:58 <wWwwW> to demonstarte my point
19:18:18 <wWwwW> i have an operaotr i like to add
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19:19:10 <wWwwW> λλ(1 0) is one bit of S
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19:19:53 <wWwwW> my braaaain is fried ._.
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19:25:01 <korvo> BCKW makes it more obvious how K and S/W serve those purposes of deleting and copying. BC should hopefully be understandable as a fragment of BCI and not just random combinators.
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19:25:28 <wWwwW> i understand B and C i think
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19:31:42 <korvo> Not at all. Remember, parentheses are application.
19:32:13 <korvo> Let's rename those variables. B g f x = g (f x); C f x y = f y x
19:32:38 <korvo> B is composition, like you'd find in a category. It takes two functions and glues them together, passing the output of one to the input of another.
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19:33:02 <korvo> C is called a "flip". It takes a two-argument function and swaps the order in which the arguments will be given.
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19:34:49 <korvo> This should also give you a feel for why BCI is limited. All we can do is identity, composition, and flip; we can take any arrangement of inputs and return all of them as outputs, but that's all.
19:35:40 <wWwwW38> if you consider the inputs
19:36:09 <korvo> Yep. It can only express permutations of that set. It is complete for permutations, though.
19:36:54 <korvo> Have you seen Kleene's parameter theorem yet? Also called the Smn theorem. It's a very general statement about how to build functions.
19:37:33 <korvo> You need something like BCI, but you also need to be able to delete and copy values. And then Kleene shows how adding recursion lets us compute stuff.
19:39:19 <korvo> No worries; I don't have anything else. Maybe it's time to take a break. Stand up, stretch, get more water, that sort of thing.
19:39:59 <wWwwW38> maybe i should stop listenging to insane trap msuic while doing this
19:41:07 <esolangs> [[Emo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139237&oldid=43122 * Ractangle * (+23) /* See also */
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19:45:46 <korvo> BI can't build C. Really. What's going on is that BI is for categories, and BCI is for categories with "finite products".
19:46:34 <esolangs> [[Extended Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139238&oldid=49019 * Ractangle * (+22) /* Type III */
19:46:47 <esolangs> [[Extended Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139239&oldid=139238 * Ractangle * (-12) /* Type III */
19:47:04 <korvo> Hmmm. That's a good question. Note BCKW has to build I too.
19:47:21 <esolangs> [[Extended Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139240&oldid=139239 * Ractangle * (-52) /* Hello World! */
19:48:02 <korvo> So can BKW build I and then C? Dunno, could be an interesting research question.
19:49:55 <wWwwW38> W=a' e ( b' i (a' (d x i y) (d x i y) ) )
19:51:30 <esolangs> [[FJ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139241&oldid=135503 * Ractangle * (+23) /* See also */
19:53:07 <wWwwW38> W=a' e ( b' i (a' (d x i y) (d x i y) ) )
19:54:31 <esolangs> [[Fuck4]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139242&oldid=32618 * Ractangle * (+23) /* External resources */
19:55:13 <wWwwW38> W=a' e ( b' i (a' (d x i y) (d x i y) ) )
19:55:26 <esolangs> [[FukYorBrane]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139243&oldid=54980 * Ractangle * (+20)
19:55:36 <esolangs> [[FukYorBrane]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139244&oldid=139243 * Ractangle * (+2)
19:56:00 <korvo> If you say so. I'm not going to verify this, because I haven't written an interpreter. But I appreciate how much work you put into thinking about things and looking at your foundations.
19:57:36 <esolangs> [[Golfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139245&oldid=68198 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Partial implementation in C++ */
19:57:41 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139246&oldid=139236 * Yayimhere * (-17) /* operators */
19:58:02 <wWwwW38> c in unlambda is C in BCKW?
19:59:23 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139247&oldid=139246 * Yayimhere * (+37) /* operators */
19:59:26 <esolangs> [[Harmful Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139248&oldid=41547 * Ractangle * (+23)
20:00:22 <esolangs> [[HQ9Cfuckfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139249&oldid=136625 * Ractangle * (+22)
20:00:48 <esolangs> [[Hq9eFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139250&oldid=54535 * Ractangle * (+23) /* External resources */
20:01:28 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139251&oldid=139247 * Yayimhere * (+18) /* operators */
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20:03:50 <esolangs> [[ITMR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139252&oldid=123449 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Hello world program */
20:04:20 <esolangs> [[JSFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139253&oldid=126877 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Computational Class */
20:07:15 <esolangs> [[Malbrain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139254&oldid=120611 * Ractangle * (+23) /* See also */
20:08:55 <esolangs> [[Minimal-2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139255&oldid=46279 * Ractangle * (+23) /* External resources */
20:09:24 <esolangs> [[MiniStringFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139256&oldid=79475 * Ractangle * (+23) /* See also */
20:14:55 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139257&oldid=139097 * Ractangle * (+111)
20:15:41 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139258&oldid=139257 * Ractangle * (+40)
20:17:36 <esolangs> [[Not a brainfuck derivative]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139259&oldid=90069 * Ractangle * (+23)
20:20:17 <esolangs> [[PainLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139260&oldid=87082 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Interpreters */
20:21:23 <esolangs> [[PenisScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139261&oldid=103699 * Ractangle * (+23) /* External resources */
20:23:02 <esolangs> [[Pointer-ng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139262&oldid=70962 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Interpreters */
20:24:21 <esolangs> [[Random Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139263&oldid=114995 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Interpreters */
20:25:30 <esolangs> [[RedefineFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139264&oldid=124852 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Example(s) */
20:26:39 <esolangs> [[ReverseFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139265&oldid=137889 * Ractangle * (+23) /* See also */
20:30:36 <esolangs> [[Stacked Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139266&oldid=70990 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Computational class */
20:31:13 <esolangs> [[Surreal Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139267&oldid=44865 * Ractangle * (+23)
20:32:04 <esolangs> [[Ternary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139268&oldid=109064 * Ractangle * (+23) /* External resources */
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20:40:33 <esolangs> [[XMLfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139269&oldid=43016 * Ractangle * (+23) i am tierd
20:41:52 <esolangs> [[Zero]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139270&oldid=41272 * Ractangle * (+23) It's almost over
20:45:20 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139271&oldid=133268 * Ractangle * (-2) it's over
20:46:54 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139272&oldid=139258 * Ractangle * (+41)
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21:28:04 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139273 * Ractangle * (+33) Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title={{Spoiler|}}}}"
21:31:31 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139274&oldid=139273 * Ractangle * (+79)
21:38:42 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139275&oldid=139274 * Ractangle * (+145) /* Syntax */
21:39:21 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139276&oldid=139275 * Ractangle * (+0)
21:39:38 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139277&oldid=139276 * Ractangle * (-2) /* Challenge */
21:40:06 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139278&oldid=139277 * Ractangle * (+3) /* Challenge */
21:40:32 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139279&oldid=139278 * Ractangle * (+12)
21:45:32 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139280&oldid=139279 * Ractangle * (+59) /* Challenge */
21:48:38 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139281&oldid=139280 * Ractangle * (-3) /* Challenge */
21:50:42 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139282&oldid=139281 * Ractangle * (+4) /* Challenge */
21:50:54 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139283&oldid=139282 * Ractangle * (+3) /* Challenge */
21:53:09 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139284&oldid=139283 * Ractangle * (+4) /* Challenge */
21:53:27 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139285&oldid=139284 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Challenge */
21:57:27 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139286&oldid=139285 * Ractangle * (+18)
22:00:24 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139287&oldid=139272 * Ractangle * (+29) /* Esolangs */
22:00:41 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139288&oldid=139287 * Ractangle * (-29) /* Esolangs */
22:01:59 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139289&oldid=139288 * Ractangle * (+47)
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22:25:06 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139292&oldid=139291 * Ractangle * (+15)
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22:54:39 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139294&oldid=139292 * Ractangle * (+289)
22:56:31 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139295&oldid=139294 * Ractangle * (+43) /* Guessed parts of syntax */
22:58:11 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139296&oldid=139295 * Ractangle * (+76) /* Guessed parts of syntax */
22:58:46 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139297&oldid=139296 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Guessed parts of syntax */
23:03:52 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139298&oldid=139297 * RainbowDash * (+61) /* Guessed parts of syntax */
23:09:57 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139299&oldid=139298 * Ractangle * (+109) /* Guessed parts of syntax */
23:11:24 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139300&oldid=139299 * Ractangle * (+94) /* Guessed parts of syntax */
23:11:47 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139301&oldid=139300 * RainbowDash * (+5) /* Guessed parts of syntax */
23:13:21 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139302&oldid=139301 * Ractangle * (+9) /* Guessed parts of syntax */
23:14:01 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139303&oldid=139302 * Ractangle * (-15) I will come up with more syntax later
23:14:22 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139304&oldid=139303 * RainbowDash * (+23) /* Guessed parts of syntax */
23:15:19 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139305&oldid=139289 * Ractangle * (+29) /* Esolangs */
23:18:34 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139306&oldid=139304 * Ractangle * (+60) /* Challenge */
23:20:03 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139307&oldid=138768 * Ractangle * (+30) /* Spam */
23:20:35 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139308&oldid=139307 * Ractangle * (+13) /* {{Spoiler|}} */
23:21:06 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139309&oldid=139308 * Ractangle * (+2) /* {{Spoiler|}} */
23:23:47 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139310&oldid=138666 * Ractangle * (+60) /* Splinter */
23:27:47 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139311&oldid=139306 * Ractangle * (+5) /* Challenge */
23:28:18 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139312&oldid=139309 * Ractangle * (+5) /* {{Spoiler|}} */
23:32:55 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139313&oldid=139311 * Ractangle * (+214) /* Guessed parts of syntax */
23:35:35 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139314&oldid=139313 * Ractangle * (+29) /* Syntax */
23:51:31 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139315&oldid=139314 * RainbowDash * (+71) /* Syntax */
23:52:29 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139316&oldid=139315 * RainbowDash * (+2) /* Syntax */
23:54:15 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139317&oldid=139316 * RainbowDash * (-66) /* Syntax */
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00:17:35 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139319&oldid=139318 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-18)
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03:41:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:^]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139321&oldid=139135 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+367)
03:41:39 <esolangs> [[Talk:^]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139322&oldid=139321 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+17)
03:42:03 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139323&oldid=139251 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+143) Categories
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04:13:17 <esolangs> [[Brainshit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139325&oldid=139203 * Yayimhere * (+32)
04:22:19 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139326&oldid=139323 * Yayimhere * (+9) /* operators */
04:23:05 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139327&oldid=139326 * Yayimhere * (+23) /* operators */
04:26:02 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139328&oldid=139327 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* operators */
04:33:59 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139329&oldid=139320 * Rosenthal * (+2) Separate implementations by different authors
04:38:45 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139330&oldid=139328 * Yayimhere * (+252) /* operators */
04:38:53 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139331&oldid=139330 * Yayimhere * (+1) /* operators */
04:41:56 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139332&oldid=139331 * Yayimhere * (+147)
04:42:14 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139333&oldid=139332 * Yayimhere * (+7) /* exclusions */
04:42:26 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139334&oldid=139333 * Yayimhere * (-1) /* exclusions */
04:52:04 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139335&oldid=139334 * Yayimhere * (+2) /* operators */
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05:07:26 <wWwwW> we discussed stuff with
05:07:46 <wWwwW> do they need to have the order they have
05:14:01 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139336&oldid=139335 * Yayimhere * (+47) /* operators */
05:14:03 <korvo> No, the orders "BCKW", "BCI", "SK", and "SKI" are all traditional. You'll sometimes see people put them in other orders.
05:14:25 <esolangs> [[Domino Crisis]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139337&oldid=135598 * PrySigneToFry * (+684) To proof that it is Turing-Complete
05:14:42 <wWwwW> take input in this order:
05:15:05 <wWwwW> it still does x (y z)
05:15:16 <wWwwW> but inputs are taken in a different order
05:15:32 <korvo> Sure. It depends on what's available. This is the power of C; in this case, CB is the flip of B.
05:16:01 <wWwwW> on the savage bapge
05:16:13 <wWwwW> nearly everything ids a lambda expression
05:16:21 <wWwwW> as that we have rules for what can apply
05:17:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139338&oldid=138374 * PrySigneToFry * (+744) /* I'm glad about you're "revived" in the Esolang Wiki. */ new section
05:18:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139339&oldid=139338 * Yayimhere * (+103) /* Mihai is unbanned! */
05:18:57 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139340&oldid=139339 * Yayimhere * (+2) /* Mihai is unbanned! */
05:20:11 <wWwwW> i still wonder if BKWI can get C
05:21:51 <wWwwW> it keeps me up at night
05:24:07 <korvo> I don't think so. I thought about it a bit more. BWKI is a theory of categories with finite products and a "diagonal", which is how category theorists talk about W's action.
05:25:25 <korvo> And it's folklore that this isn't quite enough to talk about flips, which imply that the product has the ability to swap its left-hand and right-hand components.
05:25:54 <wWwwW> how even in programming we have "folklore"
05:26:05 <korvo> I know it's not an understandable explanation. I just want to assure you that it's probably not possible so that you don't lose more sleep.
05:28:13 <wWwwW> you know how some conjectures n' stuff takes years to proove or stuff
05:28:32 <wWwwW> then there's just dis community with a single person proving that black is TC
05:28:51 <wWwwW> this group of ppl that is the esolang community is just insane
05:29:19 <korvo> Every proven conjecture has some single person somewhere at the end, too. Look at Fermat's Last Theorem for a famous recent example.
05:29:41 <wWwwW> so many ppl worked on it before
05:29:55 <wWwwW> ive prooved like 90 procent of my esolangs TC
05:30:04 <korvo> Also, if it helps, most programmers refuse to learn category theory or any other formal methods. Programming and software engineering are depressingly non-formal disciplines.
05:30:04 <wWwwW> (ignore my old ones)
05:30:40 <wWwwW> you have a problem
05:31:12 <wWwwW> and its a undecidable problem to see if that problem is decidable not
05:31:22 <wWwwW> *deciadeable or not
05:32:39 <korvo> Not exactly. We have to be more precise with terminology.
05:32:55 <wWwwW> i will try to be better
05:33:03 <wWwwW> say we have a problem P
05:33:14 <korvo> So, it's known statically whether something is a "decision problem". This is literally just a yes-or-no question about some inputs.
05:33:26 <esolangs> [[BrainTangle]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139341 * PrySigneToFry * (+2880) Created page with "BrainTangle is an Esolang invented by PSTF and his (because he don't use ChatGPT now). == Syntax Overview == === Data Types === BrainTangle only has one data type: a single-character string (a "tangle"). Operations on tangles are performed by manipulating the
05:33:41 <esolangs> [[BrainTangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139342&oldid=139341 * PrySigneToFry * (+1)
05:33:59 <korvo> If we say this problem is "undecidable", what we mean is that the *set of inputs* is undecidable, and more specifically that we can't decide whether an input is in the yes-set.
05:34:31 <korvo> You'll see terminology like "semidecidable" which is more specific about the no-set.
05:35:12 <korvo> Now, that all said, we can have sets of decision problems. There's no reason we can't have an undecidable subset of such a set.
05:38:56 <korvo> Here's what I think is a real example from complexity theory. Let P/poly be the class P, but answers to each problem may be non-uniform, giving a polynomial amount of advice to each input.
05:40:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:Gd auto level]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139343&oldid=138977 * PrySigneToFry * (+33)
05:40:23 <korvo> Also let TALLY be the class of unary languages. TALLY is a subclass of P/poly. You can think of TALLY problems as counting up the size of the input and making a decision just based on that, so the poly advice just has to tell you whether this size is acceptable.
05:40:57 <korvo> But, uh, TALLY contains Halting for unary TMs, so it's undecidable whether an arbitrary program in P/poly is also in TALLY.
05:41:06 <wWwwW> side qeustion: none of tally are TC right?
05:42:50 <wWwwW> so its undecidable
05:47:13 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139344&oldid=139329 * Rosenthal * (+1) /* x = not x (boolean, logical) */ Fix missing shift marker
05:58:56 <korvo> Yes, because SK is TC.
05:59:18 <wWwwW> also i found a little "quirk" if you will with k
05:59:26 <wWwwW> K can be passed to itself FOREVER
05:59:33 <wWwwW> KKKKKKKKKKKKKK....
06:00:37 <esolangs> [[^]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139345 * MihaiEso * (+2222) Created page with "'''^''' is a special language for all Chinese people! == Commands == {| class="wikitable" |+ Commands |- ! !! English !! Meaning |- | "[]" || Print "[text]" || Prints a string of text |- | [] || Output [variable] || Outputs the value of a variable |- | [] || Input [var
06:01:02 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139346&oldid=139142 * MihaiEso * (+59)
06:01:17 <wWwwW> YESYEYSYEYSYEYSYEYSYEYSYYSYEY
06:01:38 <wWwwW> IN Savage Operator
06:01:46 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139347&oldid=139014 * MihaiEso * (+14) /* Non-alphabetic */
06:03:06 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139348&oldid=139347 * Yayimhere * (+22) /* S */
06:06:07 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139349&oldid=139340 * MihaiEso * (+164) /* I'm glad about you're "revived" in the Esolang Wiki. */
06:06:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139350&oldid=139349 * MihaiEso * (+1) /* I'm glad about you're "revived" in the Esolang Wiki. */
06:10:07 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139351&oldid=139344 * Rosenthal * (+11) /* x = not x (boolean, logical) */ Split into `x = not x` and `y = not x`
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06:43:04 <esolangs> [[Category:CJK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139353&oldid=8237 * MihaiEso * (+19)
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07:18:13 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139354&oldid=139352 * Rosenthal * (+33) /* x = x or y (boolean, logical) */ Split by destination
07:21:12 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139355 * PrySigneToFry * (+5536) Created page with "BubbleLang is designed by PSTF. == Name == I don't know why, but I like this name because I like the shape of circle and sphere. == Sources of inspiration == I let my to generate an Esolang, and I inspired from that. I'm also inspired from Python and C++.
07:26:21 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139356&oldid=139354 * Rosenthal * (-46) Combine z = x or y sections
07:33:51 <esolangs> [[Sorry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139357&oldid=139199 * Xff * (+1) /* information */
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07:37:49 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139358&oldid=139355 * MihaiEso * (+29) /* Categories */
07:38:08 <esolangs> [[Category:Generated by AI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139359&oldid=139152 * MihaiEso * (+14)
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07:47:40 <esolangs> [[Use of AI in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139360&oldid=127758 * MihaiEso * (+49) /* Esoteric languages invented by AI */
07:52:30 <esolangs> [[Sorry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139361&oldid=139357 * Xff * (+175)
07:53:19 <esolangs> [[Sorry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139362&oldid=139361 * Xff * (+26)
07:57:40 <esolangs> [[Sorry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139363&oldid=139362 * Xff * (+0) /* information */
07:59:35 <esolangs> [[Srry]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139364 * Xff * (+353) Created page with "'''srry''' is [[Sorry]] but with one change. == the change == now we only have <code>[]</code> with a conditional. if they hold two nothings(two spaces) then we will do <code>^</code> else we will do <code>[]</code>. also it pops top. so now <code>[''x'']</code> is: [ ][''x'']
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08:01:24 <esolangs> [[2d]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139365&oldid=136378 * Ais523 * (-29) rm hatnote similarly named language was renamed
08:01:51 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[User:Ractangle/2D]]": cross-namespace redirect left over after a page was deuserfied
08:02:28 <esolangs> [[2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139366&oldid=139090 * Ais523 * (+14) bypass double redirect
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08:15:42 <esolangs> [[Brains***]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139367 * MihaiEso * (+23) Redirected page to [[Brainshit]]
08:15:52 <esolangs> [[Brains**t]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139368 * MihaiEso * (+23) Redirected page to [[Brainshit]]
08:17:28 <esolangs> [[Brainshit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139369&oldid=139325 * Yayimhere * (-19)
08:24:24 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139370&oldid=139336 * Yayimhere * (+289) /* operators */
08:32:16 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139371&oldid=139138 * MihaiEso * (+389) /* Horribly translated variants */
08:41:40 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139372 * Yayimhere * (+26) Redirected page to [[Unassignable]]
08:48:41 <wWwwW> i got an rlly weird esolang idea
08:48:46 <wWwwW> its like a 2d esolang
08:49:00 <wWwwW> it uses combinatory logic style operators
08:49:29 <esolangs> [[FrontFlip]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139373 * Yayimhere * (+312) Created page with "'''FrontFlip''' is a version of [[Backflip]] with two new commands == new commands == there are two new commands: {| class="wikitable" |- ! command !! description |- | [ || copy it and the comand right to it in pointer direction and turn 90 degrees clockwise |- | ^
08:49:35 <esolangs> [[FrontFlip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139374&oldid=139373 * Yayimhere * (+1)
08:50:06 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139375&oldid=139159 * Yayimhere * (+11)
08:50:35 <esolangs> [[Srry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139376&oldid=139364 * Yayimhere * (+69)
08:52:33 <wWwwW> and korvo if your readin dis my goal is to see what the difference between 2d and 1d is and how far you can go with each
08:54:16 <esolangs> [[And then]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139377&oldid=73088 * Ractangle * (+23)
08:55:23 <esolangs> [[BF-RLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139378&oldid=66268 * Ractangle * (+23) /* External resources */
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09:00:27 <esolangs> [[CLFCE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139379&oldid=138850 * Ractangle * (-204)
09:00:35 <esolangs> [[CLFCE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139380&oldid=139379 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Hello World */
09:00:43 <esolangs> [[CLFCE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139381&oldid=139380 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Infinite Loop */
09:01:12 <esolangs> [[CLFCE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139382&oldid=139381 * Ractangle * (+4) /* Examples */
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09:01:36 <esolangs> [[CLFCE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139383&oldid=139382 * Ractangle * (+2) /* Commands */
09:02:31 <esolangs> [[Deadfish/Implementations (nonalphabetic and A-L)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139384&oldid=138190 * Ractangle * (+1) /* CLFCE */
09:06:15 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139385&oldid=139198 * Ractangle * (-39) fixed the problem with the /* CLFCE */ section
09:09:03 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139386&oldid=139385 * Ractangle * (+24) /* CLFCE */
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09:37:29 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139387&oldid=139210 * Ractangle * (+8) /* computational class */
09:37:38 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139388&oldid=139387 * Ractangle * (+0) /* computational class */
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09:58:31 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139389&oldid=139358 * PrySigneToFry * (+3)
09:59:30 <esolangs> [[@NUM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139390&oldid=66248 * Ractangle * (+22) /* To Do */
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10:04:56 <esolangs> [[13ial]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139391 * Ractangle * (+115) Created page with "'''13ial''' (or '''13 instruction assembly language''') is basicly self explanatory. It's a 13 instruction assembly"
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10:36:08 <esolangs> [[13ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139392&oldid=139391 * Ractangle * (+39)
10:36:58 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139393&oldid=138968 * Yayimhere * (+89) /* commands */
10:39:08 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139394&oldid=139356 * Rosenthal * (+8) /* if (x) { code1 } else { code2 } */ Divide different implementations
10:39:48 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139395&oldid=139393 * Yayimhere * (+87) /* commands */
10:46:14 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139396&oldid=139389 * PrySigneToFry * (-29) Just inspired from, not really generated by AI
10:47:29 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139397&oldid=139395 * Yayimhere * (+117)
10:48:30 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139398&oldid=137334 * Ractangle * (-1) /* Commands */
10:49:07 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139399&oldid=139350 * PrySigneToFry * (+672)
10:50:40 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139400&oldid=139398 * Ractangle * (+18) /* Commands */
10:53:41 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139401&oldid=139400 * Ractangle * (-42) /* Truth-machine */
10:54:12 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139402&oldid=139401 * Ractangle * (-6) /* Truth-machine */
10:55:37 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139403&oldid=139402 * Ractangle * (-98) If there is no "End of road". The program will go back to the start (and ignoring the Start of road)
10:57:28 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139404&oldid=139403 * Ractangle * (+0) IT'S I [[User:Ractangle]]
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10:59:52 <esolangs> [[2 Player]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139405&oldid=139397 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* examples */
11:00:25 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139406&oldid=139394 * Rosenthal * (+79) Consistently separate implementations and format attributions
11:03:03 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139407&oldid=139312 * Ractangle * (-1) /* {{Spoiler|}} */
11:03:26 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139408&oldid=139407 * Ractangle * (-12) /* {{Spoiler|}} */
11:04:36 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139409&oldid=139310 * Ractangle * (-13) /* {{Spoiler|}} */
11:04:55 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139410&oldid=139409 * Ractangle * (+2) /* Spoiler: */
11:05:06 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139411&oldid=139319 * Ractangle * (+2) /* Challenge */
11:05:58 <esolangs> [[Spoiler:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139412&oldid=139411 * Ractangle * (-1)
11:07:07 <wWwwW> hey ais523 what do you think of my underload minimazation?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Sorry
11:15:54 <esolangs> [[Use of AI in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139413&oldid=139360 * Ractangle * (+40) /* Esolang interpreters generated by AI */
11:16:27 <esolangs> [[Use of AI in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139414&oldid=139413 * Ractangle * (-1) /* Esolang interpreters generated by AI */
11:17:17 <esolangs> [[Category:Generated by AI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139415&oldid=139359 * Ractangle * (+5)
11:20:53 <esolangs> [['Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139416&oldid=133988 * Ractangle * (+22) /* CATEGORIES */
11:22:41 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139417&oldid=139348 * PrySigneToFry * (+17)
11:25:01 <esolangs> [[User:Noner Kao]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139418&oldid=53977 * Ractangle * (+12) /* Projects */
11:27:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Minim]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139419&oldid=128486 * Ractangle * (+223)
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11:48:07 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139422&oldid=139421 * Rosenthal * (-22) Remove redundant algorithm from headers
11:49:44 <int-e> Hmm. There really should be a better word than "illusion" to describe this thing: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/duckduckbunny.png (It is pretty cool (despite the (I assumed) edited clouds in the left part). Haven't watched the video...)
11:51:07 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck Python interpreter (ChatGPT)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139423 * Corbin * (+145) In this page, what does "optimized" mean?
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11:57:53 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139424&oldid=139422 * Rosenthal * (+29) /* Print value of cell x as number (8-bit) */ Attribute author
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12:16:31 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139425&oldid=139424 * Rosenthal * (-46) /* Input a decimal number */ Unindent code
12:19:45 <b_jonas> int-e: hehe, that's similar to the two horse-riders illusion I think
12:24:13 <b_jonas> two horse-riders (exists with both donkeys and horses, in lots of variants) => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN3z7eIqRg4
12:24:15 <PCWWWWW> wut would happen if SKI or something was evaluated lazily
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12:29:08 <korvo> wWwwW: Maybe today's your introduction to Church-Rosser properties and confluence. In short: no, the results of evaluating combinators don't depend on evaluation order, but that's only because they don't have effects.
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12:31:28 <int-e> Some strategies will fail to find normal forms when they exist though. KI(SII(SII)) has normal form I but innermost reduction reduces it to itself in a couple of steps.
12:32:30 <int-e> No, SII is a normal form
12:32:51 <int-e> it can't be reduced further
12:33:11 <int-e> In this context, -> usually denotes an actual reduction step.
12:34:56 <int-e> SII(SII) -> I(SII)(I(SII)) -> I(SII)(SII) -> SII(SII) using innermost steps
12:35:25 <wWwwW> SII(SII) => SII(SII)
12:35:39 <wWwwW> where => is the "final" reduction
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12:38:34 <wWwwW> so you discard one input
12:38:45 <wWwwW> and return K on the non discareded one
12:38:53 <int-e> So U = KK? That gives you KKI = K so it's essentially just SKI again.
12:39:17 <int-e> KKS = K then and you get I = SKK
12:39:34 <wWwwW> but you dont have K
12:39:40 <int-e> You have US = KKS = K
12:40:07 <int-e> or UU = KKU = K if you prefer that
12:40:31 <wWwwW> wait so you replace the S with U
12:41:02 <int-e> Well, Ux = KKx = K for any x.
12:41:48 <wWwwW> (sorry for asking so much im rlly into combinatory logic rn)
12:41:54 <wWwwW> but would RS be TC
12:42:18 <wWwwW> where B is from BCKW
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12:43:20 <wWwwW> and no K is not applied to x
12:44:04 <wWwwW> K not applied to x yea
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12:50:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck Python interpreter (ChatGPT)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139426&oldid=139423 * MihaiEso * (+145)
12:50:46 <int-e> I don't know about that one.
12:51:20 <wWwwW> lemme check real fast
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12:58:51 <esolangs> [[How dare you f*** the brain]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139427 * MihaiEso * (+41) Redirected page to [[How dare you fuck the brain]]
13:01:29 <int-e> You have Rxy = xS which is something you don't get with S alone. But it's weaker than K. It may still be TC but it won't just reuse the fact that SK is TC; some extra work is necessary. It's also not obviously non-TC... AFAICS we don't even know that for the S combinator all by itself.
13:02:45 <wWwwW> im prety sure with the Q operator it would work. Q x y = y x
13:03:37 <int-e> remember that QRxy is ((QR)x)y
13:03:54 <int-e> QRxy = xRy... and now it depends on x.
13:04:08 <wWwwW> then Q(Rxy) = Sx then right?
13:04:13 <int-e> Q(Rxy) = Q(xS) and it still depends on x.
13:05:45 <int-e> Even if you had ꙮxy = Sx and S the status (TC or not) would be unclear to me.
13:06:19 <HackEso> limerick//A limerick is a verse with two left metrical feet and three right metrical feet.
13:06:34 <HackEso> 1125) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
13:06:51 <HackEso> [U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O]
13:07:30 <int-e> It's our favorite letter. ;-) (I'm making this up, but it's fair to say that we have a bit of culture around it.)
13:08:06 <wWwwW> im making a esolang based on dis disscusion btw
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13:10:48 <esolangs> [[FROSTWIRE-666]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139428 * Yayimhere * (+258) Created page with "'''FROSTWIRE-666''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its some combinators for [[Combinatory logic]] == combinators == FROSTWIRE-666 has these operators: S from SKI R x = B (K) x (S) Q x y = y x x y=S (K x y) G x=x x T x y z=B ( x y) x z"
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13:12:18 <esolangs> [[FROSTWIRE-666]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139429&oldid=139428 * Yayimhere * (+13) /* combinators */
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13:14:13 <int-e> Hmm, would you rather make three dozen esolangs, or one that people actually care about?
13:14:40 <wWwwW> what time of the day is it?
13:15:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139430&oldid=128898 * Rosenthal * (+639) Ask about strange bitwise NOT
13:15:32 <int-e> time zones are a thing so I thought this was the best possible answer
13:16:08 <int-e> you asked a question with no well-defined answer
13:16:11 <wWwwW> the answer to your question is dependent on timezone
13:16:32 <wWwwW> θ you could see on combinatory page
13:16:40 <wWwwW> combinatory logic page
13:17:37 <esolangs> [[FROSTWIRE-666]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139431&oldid=139429 * Yayimhere * (+39)
13:18:04 <HackEso> 2024-09-15 13:18:03.701 +0000 UTC September 15 Sunday 2024-W37-7
13:18:24 <b_jonas> ``` TZ="Europe/Helsinki" datei # if you have a specific timezone in mind
13:18:27 <HackEso> 2024-09-15 16:18:26.283 +0300 EEST September 15 Sunday 2024-W37-7
13:18:53 <b_jonas> also dateu for guaranteed UTC; datei actually uses the locale-dependent timezone, that just happens to default to UTC on HackEso these days
13:19:10 <b_jonas> um, no, technically not *locale*-dependent, but dependent on your environment and the fallback default in /etc
13:20:45 <esolangs> [[FROSTWIRE-666]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139432&oldid=139431 * Yayimhere * (-11)
13:22:04 <esolangs> [[User:Eugene]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139433&oldid=139042 * Eugene * (+4)
13:22:59 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Kin1009 * New user account
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13:31:56 <korvo> wWwwW: Combinatory logic isn't an esolang. In fact, it's not a language. I'd say that a better way to understand it is as a type or a pattern of constructors that can be put on top of types.
13:32:22 <korvo> esolangs: If combinatory logic is not a language, what is it?
13:32:33 <b_jonas> combinatory logic is multiple esolangs, if you choose a basis and an evaluation strategy then it's a specific esolang
13:32:49 <korvo> Aw, the RAG bot's not working, I guess.
13:34:06 <esolangs> korvo: Combinatory logic is a **formal model of computation**. It's a way to describe how programs work, not a programming language itself. Think of it like a blueprint for how to build a computer program. It uses a set of rules and symbols to represent computations, and it's powerful enough to capture the essence of any program, even those written in...
13:34:12 <b_jonas> I like {B,C,K,W,I} as the basis and leftmost inner (eager/unlambda) evolution
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13:35:04 <korvo> wWwwW: In particular, the terms we've been using the past few days are the *initial model*. All that means is, for any other model, there's a way to map each term into that other model.
13:35:34 <b_jonas> but these days I prefer multi-argument instead of single-argument lambdas, which corresonds mostly to the Amicus language instead of traditional Church style combinatory logic
13:35:49 <korvo> So, like, suppose I implement S and K in Python. Then I can map any term of S and K into Python using that implementation, and it'll still behave as expected.
13:35:53 <b_jonas> well, Amicus without numbers
13:36:15 <korvo> (Like int-e says, "as expected" includes quirks of evaluation order. You have to carefully choose which of U, Y, or Z is your fixed-point combinator.)
13:37:38 <wWwwW> ik about U i think
13:37:55 <korvo> U, Y, and Z all allow for some sort of recursion. They're very different in appearance, but that's mostly because of evaluation order.
13:38:41 <korvo> The main point to understand is that U = \(00) in lambda calculus; it applies something to itself. It's the "Turing bird" we talked about the other day.
13:38:50 <korvo> You can tell it's important because https://esolangs.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic has a (!!!) next to it!
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13:40:00 <korvo> No, seriously. Like, consider my beloved https://esolangs.org/wiki/Cammy. Here's one thing I said: "the program (comp dup apply), sometimes called the "Turing bird", will be rejected by the toolchain as ill-typed."
13:40:27 <korvo> And at the top: "each expression is an S-expression denoting a total function."
13:40:50 <korvo> Because Cammy's total, the toolchain *must* reject the Turing bird.
13:41:13 <korvo> If you want to be TC, you *must* have a way to build either U or something with similar powers, like Y or Z.
13:41:21 <korvo> That's the main point.
13:41:37 <wWwwW> i was kinda confused
13:41:47 <wWwwW> where i made *my* U
13:42:43 <korvo> No worries. That's one of the dangers of redefining standard names.
13:43:02 <wWwwW> i just choose a symbol
13:43:39 <korvo> I know. If it helps, that's how most of the combinators got standard names in the first place. I have a rule in my head that's like "C is for composition, no wait, C is for flips and B is for composition"
13:44:02 <wWwwW> ig you could use lol
13:44:11 <korvo> K is for "konstant" and I is "identity" but I have no idea about the others. Smullyan gives them beautiful bird names which are also hard to remember.
13:44:33 <korvo> Like, B is for Bluebird. Okay, which is...? Even remembering the stories in the book doesn't really help.
13:44:47 <wWwwW> symbol for my U: ɭ
13:45:24 <korvo> (The actual way to remember B is to look at it as a miniature diagram depicting the composition of two arrows.)
13:48:16 <b_jonas> I should document the B-C-K-W-I turing-completeness proof on the wiki at some point. We have https://esolangs.org/wiki/S_and_K_Turing-completeness_proof plus derivations of S and K at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic#BCKW_calculus which is technically enough for a proof, but there's a direct proof that's somewhat interesting.
13:49:21 <korvo> I should formalize some of the reductions. I know it's not hard to write a casual SKI reduction tool, but I don't think there's like a Metamath or Coq database.
13:49:36 <korvo> Oh, uh, *Rocq now, right?
13:50:38 <esolangs> [[Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139435&oldid=133777 * B jonas * (-8) /* BCKW calculus */
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14:04:04 <wWwwW> i made this. doesnt this delete Bsckflip's memory limitation?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/FrontFlip
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14:11:12 <b_jonas> korvo: SKI reduction tool => David Madore's unlambda writeup http://www.madore.org/~david/programs/unlambda/#impl explains how to do that
14:12:20 <wWwwW> i still like how from a set perspective BCI can do nothing
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14:31:44 <korvo> b_jonas: Okay, so with careful consideration, I think that it should be *theoretically* possible to compile Unlambda to a graph-reduction machine (as efficient as GHC) after first doing a continuation-passing transformation.
14:34:00 <korvo> But it is remarkable how it was an open question just a few decades ago.
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14:38:28 <b_jonas> korvo: I'm mostly thinking of the subset without c and d, so basically just ski calculus
14:39:48 <korvo> b_jonas: Ah, sure. There's a fully-worked series of articles on that here: https://crypto.stanford.edu/~blynn/compiler/
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14:40:40 <ais523> <wWwwW> hey ais523 what do you think of my underload minimazation?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Sorry ← it's not very Underload-like
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14:41:16 <wWwwW> it was just an atempt to make the minimal command set smaller
14:41:41 <ais523> what happens if you try to run a command with unmatched brackets?
14:42:16 <ais523> there's already a minimization of Underload to two commands here: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#A_two-command_basis_for_a_pure_concatenative_language
14:42:52 <b_jonas> korvo: even with the c builtin, r5rs is from 1998 so presumably they knew how to implement all that at the point, and unlambda with c (possibly without d) is trivial to compile to r5rs scheme, it has the full lexical local variables, lamdbas, and full call-with-current-continuation
14:42:55 <wWwwW> the copy push and eval command
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14:43:21 <b_jonas> so it was known for at least 26 years, I suspect longer
14:43:30 <ais523> where M is equivalent to (~)(:)(^)(a)(*)(!!!!!!) in Underload
14:43:41 <ais523> I think it was me who designed that originally
14:43:57 <wWwwW> forget that message
14:44:22 <korvo> b_jonas: There's a question of efficiency when it comes to "sharing" (avoiding copying) in lazy contexts, and I think Scheme isn't likely to ever really solve this. I don't think typical implementations do much sharing besides lambda-lifting.
14:44:36 <ais523> the positions of most of the commands inside don't really matter, but the (~) being at the start and (!!!!!!) at the end (with length that's enough to pop all the things M pushed, plus 1) is key to how it works
14:44:48 <b_jonas> korvo: sure, scheme and unlambda are non-lazy in the same way
14:44:50 <korvo> But yeah, I see your point. In terms of compiler engineering effort, yes, Unlambda compiles easily to Scheme.
14:45:06 <wWwwW> i also minimized sorry to srry(on command but very much not underlaod like)
14:45:18 <ais523> korvo: I think most interpreters along those lines do the copying lazily and don't have other optimizations
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14:46:58 <ais523> int-e: wrt combinatoric logic normal forms, I generally think of them being in normal forms if no reduction rules are even possible to apply to the term you have
14:47:17 <ais523> so SII doesn't have a normal form, the way I think about it – you can keep applying reduction rules indefinitely
14:47:37 <ais523> whereas something like K(SI) is a normal form because none of the combinators has enough arguments to do anything
14:47:57 <wWwwW> why is it that so many combinators are named after birds???
14:48:27 <korvo> wWwwW: That'd be the Smullyan book I mentioned earlier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Mock_a_Mockingbird
14:48:49 <int-e> ais523: No reduction rules apply to SII. You're probably confusing SII and SII(SII)
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14:49:20 <int-e> (SII is what you get from \x. x x by abstraction elimination.)
14:49:31 <ais523> int-e: err, yes, I meant SII(SII)
14:49:40 <b_jonas> yup, the Mockingbird book which tells about a series of possibly enchanted forests which each have a population of birds closed to application
14:49:43 <ais523> SII is in normal form already, S takes three arguments
14:49:48 <int-e> ais523: and yes, SII(SII) doesn't have a normal form
14:49:55 <korvo> (And SII actually *captures* it, because SIIx -> x(x))
14:50:02 <b_jonas> so you can apply any bird in a forest to any other, and the result is a bird that's also in the forest
14:50:05 <wWwwW> b_jonas wow. ...why tho?
14:50:12 <ais523> I was experimenting a lot with BCKW combinator calculus recently
14:50:15 <int-e> (with standard definitions from (first-order) rewriting)
14:50:19 <wWwwW> so the forest has every combinator
14:50:23 <wWwwW> or whatever you call i
14:50:40 <b_jonas> wWwwW: because if you have a few suitable starting birds, as in S and K, and can distinguish at least two birds, then you get a Turing-complete forest to which you can compile any computation
14:50:49 <ais523> just like SK combinator calculus is neater using I, BCKW combinator calculus is also neater with a couple of extra combinators
14:51:00 <b_jonas> so one day we (at least the people in that book) might be able to replace computers with birds
14:51:27 <ais523> one is I, the other is (flip id)
14:51:45 <korvo> You laugh, but some researchers built a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billiard-ball_computer out of crabs.
14:52:19 <wWwwW> ppl do some weird stuff sometimes ._.
14:52:21 <korvo> Aren't you pumping out dozens of esolangs?
14:53:04 <b_jonas> you need the property that you can distinguish two birds otherwise you can never extract any result from the computation,
14:53:09 <wWwwW> or am i?*plays Vsauce theme*
14:53:12 <ais523> anyway, flip can be defined entirely in terms of (flip id) and (.)
14:53:22 <ais523> my notes say F = A (V V) (A A (A (V A) (A A V))), where F is flip, V is (flip id) and A is (.)
14:53:41 <wWwwW> b_jonas so with a good bird identifier and a lot of birds you have somethign TC
14:53:53 <ais523> you can also define id (unsurprisingly), it's A (V V) (A A V)
14:54:01 <b_jonas> and you need a suitable basis of starting birds to exists otherwise you could get a boring trivial forest that has just unlmabda v and i which can only do boolean multiplication, though Smullyan actually discusses a few forests that are limited in a more interesting way than just that
14:54:20 <korvo> wWwwW: Another way to understand what b_jonas is saying is that the final output of a (halted) computer is merely a projection of its internal state.
14:54:46 <wWwwW> i got a full lesson about combinator logic today
14:54:56 <korvo> You don't have to be able to read a combinator from the (finitely) many feathers of a bird, merely a way to describe the bird *in terms of other birds*. Smullyan makes this point.
14:55:15 <ais523> but the really interesting thing is that I think there's enough power to define K like this, too (although I don't have the definition worked out), using a recursive definition of the form K a b c = K (a c) b
14:55:20 <b_jonas> korvo: the bird forests contain not only halting combinators though, it's really closed to application even if the result of that application is a bird without normal form
14:55:55 <ais523> although that might need some messing around with evaluation order
14:56:05 <korvo> b_jonas: Yeah. In that sense, the birds (and combinatory logic) are actually *generalized* computation. They do more than what our physical computers can actually do.
14:56:08 <wWwwW> ais423: if so then k a b c = k a
14:56:11 <ais523> perhaps it should be K a b c = K (A a c) b so that a c doesn't go into an infinte loop
14:56:26 <ais523> I got it right first time
14:56:48 <wWwwW> i love how v is recursive
14:56:49 <ais523> so the point is that K a b = a (by definition), so K a b c = a c = K (a c) b
14:57:00 <b_jonas> that is why near the end of the book professor Griffin expresses the view that maybe there's a forest that lets you do computations that a Turing-complete computer can't do
14:57:15 <wWwwW> b_jonas whyyyyyyyyy
14:57:24 <b_jonas> but there's no definite evidence of that forest
14:57:34 <wWwwW> why cant we just have TC as being the ,ost powerfull:[
15:00:25 <b_jonas> also Smullyan is careful enough that the book doesn't say anything about the speed of computation with birds. he says that given two birds in a forest you can find their application in the forest, but no time limit for how quickly you can find it, so it's quite possible that a computation that's slow on a computer is also slow using birds.
15:00:49 <b_jonas> so there's no reason to think that birds let you do exponentially slow computations quickly.
15:02:23 <b_jonas> specifically to do an application, you first have to sing the name of the argument word to the function bird, it sings back the name of the application result, and then you have to find the bird of that name. any of these steps could take a long time.
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15:03:16 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church-Turing_thesis encapsulates the idea that there's no "effective method" more powerful than TC. It's necessarily informal.
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15:04:09 <b_jonas> and, like all important questions, there's a lot of different versions of the Church-Turing thesis that you can choose from
15:04:10 <int-e> The support is basically that people have come up with a handful of different abstract-but-realistic models of computation, and they're all equally powerful.
15:05:09 <int-e> We have more powerful models too, often involving various oracles that transcend computable functions.
15:05:45 <b_jonas> yep, that's why it's called Church-Turing: Church refers to untyped lambda calculus, while Turing refers to finite control with one writable tape Turing machines, these were found to be equivalently powerful
15:06:44 <int-e> And then there's whoever is responsible for recursive functions... (Kleene?)
15:07:39 <int-e> (Gödel too; he encoded those in PA.)
15:07:50 <b_jonas> David Madore has three different educational families of esolangs illustrating Turing-complete computations and computations more powerful than that
15:08:01 <wWwwW> Gödel is very good math person
15:08:53 <int-e> But not the greatest survivor.
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15:39:45 <wWwwW> and i became tired
15:39:51 <wWwwW> but i got to do something:)
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17:35:44 <esolangs> [[2484345508]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139485&oldid=139483 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+212) Categories
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20:12:38 <esolangs> [[13ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139488&oldid=139487 * Ractangle * (+123)
20:12:50 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[13ial]] to [[8ial]]
20:15:35 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139491&oldid=139489 * Ractangle * (+35) /* Syntax */
20:16:18 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139492&oldid=139491 * Ractangle * (+12) /* Syntax */
20:17:49 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139493&oldid=139492 * Ractangle * (+46) /* Syntax */
20:19:23 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139494&oldid=139493 * Ractangle * (+67) /* Syntax */
20:19:41 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139495&oldid=137828 * Squidmanescape * (+154) /* I Don't Know How to Implement Them */
20:20:33 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139496&oldid=139494 * Ractangle * (+37) /* Syntax */
21:08:01 <esolangs> [[Pathana]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139497 * Squidmanescape * (+1738) Created page with "Pathana is a programming language which is based on [[Malbolge]]. == Name == In the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Hinduism)#Number_and_names Manu Smriti], there are 21 levels of hell mentioned, the 17th of which is called Pathana. This name is a referen
21:10:57 <esolangs> [[8ial]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139498&oldid=139496 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+70) Categories
21:32:49 <esolangs> [[StatiC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139499&oldid=139094 * Squidmanescape * (+31)
21:33:07 <esolangs> [[Pathana]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139500&oldid=139497 * Squidmanescape * (+27)
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22:20:35 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139501&oldid=139166 * Zecav * (+294) /* Introductions */
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23:48:20 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang/Examples]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139503 * PrySigneToFry * (+957) I might I need to re-create it, but I'll not to violate the rule.
23:50:25 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139504&oldid=139480 * PrySigneToFry * (+733)
23:51:48 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139505&oldid=139502 * PrySigneToFry * (+80)
23:53:33 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139506&oldid=139482 * PrySigneToFry * (+735) /* Is this appropriate? */ new section
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00:43:10 <esolangs> [[Base2e15text]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139507 * PrySigneToFry * (+1646) Created page with "Base2e15text is designed by PSTF. == Brief introduction == It is [[Text]] but encoded by [https://hashdown.github.io/edit.html#base2e15# This tool]. The extension of Base2e15text is *.b2e15t or *.txt. == Examples == === Hello, world! === === 99 bottles o
00:45:29 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139508&oldid=139440 * PrySigneToFry * (+41)
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05:00:08 <esolangs> [[Binary lambda calculus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139509&oldid=134103 * Yayimhere * (+7) /* Computational Class */ a versio of something doesnt always have the same Comp class
05:02:06 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139510&oldid=139447 * Yayimhere * (+16) /* Turing-completeness */
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05:27:13 <esolangs> [[Squick]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139511&oldid=133359 * Yayimhere * (-54) /* WARNING WIP: */ WIP is a template. add in next edit
05:27:40 <esolangs> [[Squick]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139512&oldid=139511 * Yayimhere * (+8)
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09:00:29 <esolangs> [[User:DifferentDance8]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139513 * DifferentDance8 * (+99) Created page with "Hi, I'm DifferentDance8! You may have seen me from Scratch before, but I also like making esolangs."
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09:41:11 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139514&oldid=139504 * PrySigneToFry * (+789)
09:45:43 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139515&oldid=136962 * PrySigneToFry * (+775)
09:48:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139516&oldid=139506 * PrySigneToFry * (+730) /* I'm still a little too enthusiastic...... */ new section
09:54:15 <esolangs> [[Base2e15text]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139517&oldid=139507 * PrySigneToFry * (+300)
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10:17:07 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang/Error]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139518 * PrySigneToFry * (+1718) Created page with "When you try to execute an illegal command, [[BubbleLang]] returns an error. == SyntaxError == === Default === <pre> print("So what does "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" meaning?") </pre> In this case, the results we hope to get is <code>S
10:17:24 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang/Error]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139519&oldid=139518 * PrySigneToFry * (-14)
10:18:17 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139520&oldid=139505 * PrySigneToFry * (+21)
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11:22:55 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Junidev * New user account
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12:18:11 <wWwwW> i got an pretty weird idea for a esolang
12:19:02 <wWwwW> we have the section https://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#A_two-command_basis_for_a_pure_concatenative_language
12:19:06 <wWwwW> it has the M command
12:19:22 <wWwwW> from some underlaod commands to something using only M and ^
12:19:38 <wWwwW> what if you could modify it
12:19:50 <wWwwW> but still run the translated commands
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12:36:20 <wWwwW> without changing the translations
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14:07:59 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139521&oldid=139514 * PrySigneToFry * (+712)
14:10:36 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139522&oldid=139516 * PrySigneToFry * (+83)
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14:38:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139523&oldid=139399 * PrySigneToFry * (+701) /* Would you like to contribute to BubbleLang? */ new section
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16:20:40 <esolangs> [[Danicb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139524&oldid=124853 * Squidmanescape * (+4)
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16:49:08 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139525&oldid=139522 * Ais523 * (-111)
16:49:40 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] revision * Ais523 * Ais523 changed visibility of 2 revisions on page [[User talk:Ais523]]: content hidden
16:51:35 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139526&oldid=139520 * Ais523 * (-20) /* Example */ move the links to further examples into a sentence of their own they don't need separate sections.
16:55:25 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139527&oldid=139515 * Ais523 * (+610) /* About the wrong name of category */ category redirects don't work, but there are some things you could do instead
17:01:51 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139528&oldid=139525 * Ais523 * (+150) /* Is this appropriate? */ looks OK now
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19:40:16 <esolangs> [[Binary lambda calculus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139529&oldid=139509 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-3) /* Computational Class */ Grammar
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20:02:26 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139530&oldid=139386 * Ractangle * (+104) /* 4ME */
20:12:04 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139531&oldid=139495 * Squidmanescape * (+61)
20:44:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:Binary lambda calculus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139532&oldid=120975 * Corbin * (+659) /* Merely an encoding */ new section
21:06:48 <esolangs> [[Pathana]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139533&oldid=139500 * Squidmanescape * (+2789)
21:09:34 <esolangs> [[Pathana]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139534&oldid=139533 * Squidmanescape * (+368) /* Basic Code */
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21:39:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:Main Page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139535&oldid=136316 * Aadenboy * (+507) /* Fix the name */
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23:24:29 <esolangs> [[*&&^Jj]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139536&oldid=134051 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+638) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the *&&^Jj programming language on GitHub and supplemented the Implemented category tag.
23:37:44 <esolangs> [[*&&^Jj]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139537&oldid=139536 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+299) Introduced an examples section whose twissel of incipial members enumerates a repeating cat program and a truth-machine.
23:39:08 <esolangs> [[*&&^]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139538&oldid=138854 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+6) Supplemented a treble of << instructions for the H example program in order to generate the majuscular letter H in lieu of the original N.
23:41:16 <esolangs> [[*&&^Jj]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139539&oldid=139537 * Kaveh Yousefi * (-1) Rectified an orthographic mistake.
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00:01:03 <esolangs> [[Fractran]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139540&oldid=134188 * Corbin * (+296) Stub an infobox, flesh out the introduction, and give corresponding references.
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00:18:39 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139541&oldid=139425 * Rosenthal * (+265) /* Header comment */ Generalize section to comment loops and rephrase
01:35:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139542&oldid=139528 * PrySigneToFry * (+677)
01:37:24 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139543&oldid=139527 * PrySigneToFry * (+617) /* About the wrong name of category */
01:38:48 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139544&oldid=139526 * PrySigneToFry * (+24)
01:40:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:Gd auto level]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139545&oldid=139343 * PrySigneToFry * (+0) Some command is mistake
01:44:57 <esolangs> [[De Bruijn indexing]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139546 * Corbin * (+2427) This seemed like something that could be factored out of multiple pages.
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01:46:36 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang/Error]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139547&oldid=139519 * PrySigneToFry * (+592)
01:47:35 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang/Examples]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139548&oldid=139503 * PrySigneToFry * (+62)
01:48:53 <esolangs> [[FUCK YOU VIBEZONDISCORD]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139549 * Tommyaweosme * (+946) Created page with "FUCK YOU VIBEZONDISCORD is an esolang made by [[user:tommyaweosme]] == commands == just got banned on pixilart - increment command pointer the fun from my birthday a week ago has faded.... - decrement command pointer why is life still worth it? -
01:51:37 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139550&oldid=138494 * Tommyaweosme * (+198)
01:56:09 <esolangs> [[De Bruijn indexing]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139551&oldid=139546 * Corbin * (+135) Switching to 1-indexing. All examples on the wiki appear 1-indexed, so let's fit in.
02:00:13 <esolangs> [[Binary lambda calculus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139552&oldid=139529 * Corbin * (-2090) Move intro on De Bruijn indices to [[De Bruijn indexing]] and bluelink there.
02:06:38 <esolangs> [[Universal Lambda]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139553&oldid=94098 * Corbin * (-60) Bluelink BLC and De Bruijn indices.
02:07:34 <esolangs> [[Bruijndejx]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139554&oldid=24907 * Corbin * (-23) Bluelink De Bruijn indices.
02:12:37 <esolangs> [[DeBruijn]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139555&oldid=94683 * Corbin * (-212) Bluelink De Bruijn indices. Also clean up a bit of punctuation and remove stray WP links.
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04:47:03 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/tommyaweosme english]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139556&oldid=131090 * PrySigneToFry * (+72)
04:55:23 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again5]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139557 * PrySigneToFry * (+971) Created page with "Let's be crazier with [[Translated ORK/None1 again3]]! 1. PrOgRaM <pre> No, I am not. No, I am not. No, I am not. The record of a great historian, Don't use an external lock. Leaves hidden about vegetables and fruits. Attacks can be treated as o
04:56:01 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/None1 again3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139558&oldid=138467 * PrySigneToFry * (+51)
05:05:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:Gift]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139559 * PrySigneToFry * (+168) /* Test code */ new section
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06:03:07 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139560&oldid=138124 * Rosenthal * (-16) /* Truth-machine (kinda) */ Reword comments for clarity and not use non-comment chars
06:12:46 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139561&oldid=139560 * Rosenthal * (+0) /* Cell Size */ Move output out of comment
06:40:07 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139562&oldid=139561 * Rosenthal * (-94) Update http:// links
06:40:40 <esolangs> [[Translated HZFunge]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139563 * PrySigneToFry * (+2165) Created page with "Translated HZFunge is designed by PSTF. 1. Take the Sieve of Erathosenes program: <pre> ..."
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06:56:04 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139564&oldid=139562 * Rosenthal * (+0) /* Cell Size */ Make header case consistent with the others
07:05:27 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139565&oldid=139508 * PrySigneToFry * (+112) /* Horribly translated variants */
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09:03:14 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139567&oldid=139530 * Ractangle * (-2) /* 8ial */
09:04:59 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139568&oldid=139498 * Ractangle * (+38) /* Syntax */
09:18:43 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139569&oldid=139568 * Ractangle * (+78) /* Syntax */
09:20:33 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139570&oldid=139569 * Ractangle * (+56) /* Syntax */
09:22:26 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139571&oldid=139570 * Ractangle * (+8) /* Truth-machine */
09:25:48 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139572&oldid=139571 * Ractangle * (+54) /* Truth-machine */
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13:49:55 <wWwwW> what do you think?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bring_to_another
13:50:17 <int-e> . o O ( Another one? )
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13:52:38 <int-e> It's a thought bubble :-P
13:52:53 <wWwwW> ??im so confused??
13:53:17 <int-e> Well, you asked for thoughts.
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14:18:26 <wWwwW> hey can i do some stuff
14:18:38 <wWwwW> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#A_two-command_basis_for_a_pure_concatenative_language
14:20:24 <wWwwW> how would you do ()?
14:22:33 <int-e> it goes back to the earlier reduced Underload with :()^
14:22:51 <wWwwW> but where is the () in it
14:22:53 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139629 * PrySigneToFry * (+1383) Created page with "'''' is designed by PSTF. == Syntax == There are Th True En..."
14:24:14 <int-e> You get () in pairs from `a`.
14:24:48 <int-e> So you can construct any program that has :, ^, and balanced parentheses as a string. And you can execute that using ^
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14:25:09 <wWwwW> sorry if im being stupid but im so confused rn
14:25:11 <int-e> That's why (:) and (^) are on that list but not :.
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14:29:17 <int-e> Hmm... actually, how do you get ()... you'd need an empty string for that.
14:30:05 <wWwwW> what if the stack just had that on the top?
14:32:02 <int-e> I suppose you could modify M to have an additional () case.
14:33:03 <int-e> Or maybe there's a reason why () isn't needed but the preceding section uses () quite a bit.
14:58:47 <int-e> It's probably fine though... (~~) can be used instead of () for the most part; the only caveat is that we need to add two dummy elements to the stack at the start.
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17:12:37 <b_jonas> Digitalmars's D and golang are compiled languages that both have key-value mappings as built-in types.
17:14:04 <b_jonas> When I was young, my master source for phone numbers I know was my dead-tree pocket calendar. These had dedicated empty pages for phone numbers and similar useful notes, often even marked with starting letters. In English you'd call a dead-tree notebook in such a role a "telephone register".
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17:20:36 <b_jonas> C++ has deprecated and later removed the old "register" keyword, which used to be a storage class specifier in old C, but turns out to be no longer useful. I think at some point they considered to use it for C++ modules, but it doesn't seem like that's happening.
17:20:45 <b_jonas> fungot: draw your own conculsion
17:20:45 <fungot> b_jonas: fnord damaged by attempts to move it. ( btw i was talking about rscheme there.
17:24:48 <korvo> esolangs: With regards to lambda calculus, what is a De Bruijn index?
17:24:58 <esolangs> korvo: A De Bruijn index is a unique identifier for a variable in a lambda calculus expression. It's essentially a way to represent a variable's position within a function's arguments. Think of it like a label for each variable, allowing you to track its usage and position within a complex expression.
17:26:51 <korvo> esolangs: What's the difference between the DeBruijn programming language and De Bruijn indexing?
17:28:09 <esolangs> korvo: DeBruijn is the programming language, while De Bruijn indexing is a way to represent data in the language. DeBruijn indexing uses a system of "De Bruijn indices" to represent data. These indices are numbers from 0 to 9, and they are used to represent data in a way that is similar to how we use numbers in mathematics. DeBruijn is a functional...
17:28:09 <esolangs> programming language that uses De Bruijn indices to represent data.
17:29:22 <korvo> Not too bad. It sounds like it's using slightly older versions of pages; maybe the RAG database is a copy of the live database?
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17:30:24 <ais523> int-e: you can create, e.g., ((a)!) if you need an empty string
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17:38:22 <tromp> i didn't know there's a DeBruijn programming language. I only know the one called bruijn ( https://bruijn.marvinborner.de/ )
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17:43:41 <b_jonas> korvo: De Bruijn index is a way to identify a variable in lambda calculus with its depth in the stack from the stack top, so the same binding will have different De Bruijn indexes in different places depending on how many lambdas deep below that you are.
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17:44:58 <b_jonas> korvo: see https://esolangs.org?curid=8360 for the most well-known language that uses De Bruijn indexes to identify its variables
17:45:41 <tromp> isn't BLC a better known language?
17:49:36 <b_jonas> bacon lettude calculus? it might be.
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18:21:23 <int-e> ais523: there's no !
18:22:38 <int-e> ais523: That particular construction targets the :^() fragment. But it uses ~ as an auxiliary operation so that's also available.
18:22:41 <korvo> b_jonas: Oh, sweet, thanks for pointing this out. I missed it last night.
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18:23:25 <korvo> tromp: Yeah, I've found like half a dozen small languages that are merely syntax over LC, including a couple that are just BLC with decoration.
18:23:28 <int-e> ( :^() is happier than :()^ )
18:25:14 <int-e> ais523: Actually I don't know what you're saying.
18:26:05 <int-e> ais523: Sorry. Okay, yes that's a program fragment that is effectively a no-op.
18:26:19 <esolangs> [[Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139643&oldid=35988 * Corbin * (-15) Bluelink De Bruijn indices.
18:27:04 <int-e> ais523: So yeah you're right, that works.
18:30:14 <int-e> ais523: Sorry. No, it doesn't work because we're building a program as a string and the only symbols we have available as strings in the M^ derivative are :()^~ ...I lost track of the goal.
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18:39:40 <b_jonas> you can just similarly make another unlambda combinator similar to M but that provides more builtins, including ordinary and parenthisized and versions of all commands, so that you can assemble any string using that combinator and application, right?
18:40:29 <int-e> Yeah you could modify M so that it produces () as an extra case
18:41:24 <int-e> b_jonas: if you look at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#A_two-command_basis_for_a_pure_concatenative_language you'll see that this is the underlying idea
18:42:20 <int-e> M = (~)[any list of primitives](!...!)
18:42:46 <int-e> with just enough ! that M^ acts as !
18:42:51 <b_jonas> I don't mean () but rather make it produce each of (^), (:), (!), (~), (*), (a), (S), and then you can combine those using * and a to get any string
18:44:27 <int-e> I don't understand how that's different from what it does except that it doesn't have *all* those primitives but strives to have a minimal set of them instead.
18:45:12 <b_jonas> right, that's the difference that I mean
18:45:24 <korvo> b_jonas: Oh, by the way, if you have any ideas for [[De Bruijn indexing]], feel free to improve it. It's an infamously difficult topic and I know my wording is pretty bad.
18:45:41 <korvo> I'm here to write legally distinct public-domain text that isn't plagiarized, not to write good text.
18:45:49 <b_jonas> this way you don't have to compile to an inefficient :()^ underload program, but can compile to any normal sane underload program
18:46:08 <int-e> Adding () would give you ()a as a way to construct (()). Which is the thing that's missing compared to the :()^ fragment.
18:46:39 <b_jonas> yeah, you can add that too
18:46:44 <int-e> Yeah I don't care about efficiency.
18:50:05 <b_jonas> wait, you actually already have (^), (:), (~), (a), (*) easily constructable from the M on the wiki page, so only (!) is missing, and I think you can extract the (!!!!!!) and then construct ((~)(~)(~)(~)(~)!!!!!!) from that and that's basically a (!)
18:50:20 <b_jonas> so I think the original M is already complete except for the S builtin
18:55:03 <int-e> b_jonas: Oh. Yes, that'll work.
19:03:26 <esolangs> [[Underload]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139644&oldid=139633 * Int-e * (-48) /* A two-command basis for a pure concatenative language */ document idea by [User:b_jonas]
19:10:00 <esolangs> [[Underload]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139645&oldid=139644 * Int-e * (+149) /* A two-command basis for a pure concatenative language */ continuing idea by [User:b_jonas]
19:10:58 <int-e> fizzie: Hmm, what's the timeout for users that don't want to be remembered when logging in? I'm not sure if that's what I'm running into, but if I am, it's rather short.
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19:11:40 <b_jonas> int-e: I think that just means until your browser exits. cookies have such a flag.
19:11:52 <b_jonas> the timeout shouldn't differ.
19:11:54 <int-e> Well I lost three edits to something and had to do them over.
19:12:19 <int-e> With cookies, without javascript, and without checking the "remember me" box.
19:13:18 <int-e> Oh great another detail I lost. One more edit...
19:13:47 <esolangs> [[Underload]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139646&oldid=139645 * Int-e * (-14) /* A two-command basis for a pure concatenative language */ (~) is not used anymore
19:14:18 <int-e> b_jonas: Anyway, great idea, thanks!
19:14:53 <int-e> obvious in retrospect... but that's often how it goes.
19:24:57 <ais523> int-e: at least in Firefox, the back button will reclaim your partially written edit – are other browsers worse in that respect?
19:26:33 <ais523> int-e: did you miss that the construction can also create (a) and (*) (the same way as creating a and *, but without the ^ at the end)?
19:26:51 <ais523> so you get the :~!()a*^ fragment, which is the entire language except for I/O
19:27:18 <int-e> I didn't exactly miss that, no.
19:27:54 <ais523> I guess you could make I/O work by putting the entire ASCII table inside M, but that would be a bit inelegant (the way Underload strings can be treated as either strings or functions is already a bit inelegant, except for writing quines)
19:28:46 <int-e> it appears that ! is more valuable than a and * though.
19:30:09 <int-e> ais523: Also Firefox lost that particular edit, presumably because I wasn't considered "logged in" when I went back, so it gave me "view page" instead of "edit page".
19:30:39 <ais523> ah, that might explain it
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20:00:42 <esolangs> [[COCAINE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139650&oldid=73746 * Ractangle * (+22)
20:08:25 <esolangs> [[DetailedFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139651&oldid=131467 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Interpreter */
20:09:15 <esolangs> [[Developers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139652&oldid=139232 * Ractangle * (+23) /* External resources */
20:13:59 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139653&oldid=138561 * Ractangle * (-7) /* Truth-machine */
20:17:37 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139654&oldid=139305 * Ractangle * (-36) /* Esolangs */
20:19:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139655&oldid=139588 * Tommyaweosme * (+308) /* What? */
20:25:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[An esolang inspired by a mobile game engine by the name of Castle]] to [[Dish]]
20:25:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[Talk:An esolang inspired by a mobile game engine by the name of Castle]] to [[Talk:Dish]]
20:27:08 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139660&oldid=139656 * Ractangle * (-1749) Replaced content with "{{Stub}} '''Dish''' (or '''D'''ead f'''ISH''') is a [[deadfish]] inspired esolang created by [[User:Ractangle]]"
20:29:03 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139661&oldid=139660 * Ractangle * (+143)
20:31:52 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139662&oldid=139661 * Ractangle * (+39) /* Syntax */
20:38:35 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139663&oldid=139662 * Ractangle * (+107) /* Syntax */
20:42:26 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139664&oldid=139663 * Ractangle * (+12) /* Syntax */
20:44:34 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139665&oldid=139664 * Ractangle * (+72) /* Syntax */
20:46:46 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139666&oldid=139665 * Ractangle * (+61) /* Syntax */
20:47:41 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139667&oldid=139666 * Ractangle * (+26) /* Syntax */
20:49:34 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139668&oldid=139667 * Ractangle * (+39) /* Syntax */
20:51:19 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139669&oldid=139668 * Ractangle * (+73) /* Syntax */
20:53:20 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139670&oldid=139669 * Ractangle * (+55) /* Syntax */
20:55:48 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139671&oldid=139670 * Ractangle * (+35) /* Examples */
21:00:08 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139672&oldid=139671 * Ractangle * (+40) /* The powers of two */
21:00:30 <fizzie> int-e: I believe there's some sort of weirdness around the state storage that I've never really figured out.
21:01:21 <fizzie> Specifically, the configuration I inherited sets $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_ACCEL, and we don't set $wgSessionCacheType. According to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSessionCacheType "[i]f $wgMainCacheType is set to CACHE_ACCEL and this is left at its default CACHE_ANYTHING, the cache used may not meet these requirements."
21:02:36 <fizzie> So I think it's quite possible there's a certain degree of luck involved in whether you stay logged in or not, depending on the whims of the web server, PHP, and other things of that nature.
21:04:26 <fizzie> Potentially I should set $wgSessionCacheType to CACHE_DB to use the database for persistent session storage, though I don't know if that has some performance implications.
21:04:51 <fizzie> (Because I've definitely been unexpectedly logged out from the wiki as well.)
21:05:26 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139673&oldid=139672 * Ractangle * (+83) /* The powers of two */
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21:09:40 <zzo38> How to make in C, that the end of a structure must be aligned (in the definition of the structure)?
21:14:43 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139674&oldid=139673 * Ractangle * (+121) /* Syntax */
21:15:57 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139675&oldid=139674 * Ractangle * (+5) /* Syntax */
21:17:19 <b_jonas> zzo38: just the end, or both the start and end?
21:18:05 <b_jonas> normally you get both the start and end to be aligned, since that's what the C compiler directly supports, and that way the structure works aligned in an array; I don't think you can make a partial structure that has alignment but doesn't fill out whole aligned blocks
21:18:08 <zzo38> I would think that the start would already be aligned if necessary
21:18:42 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139676&oldid=139675 * Ractangle * (+117) /* Syntax */
21:19:19 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139677&oldid=139676 * Ractangle * (-61) /* Syntax */
21:19:47 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139678&oldid=139677 * Ractangle * (+14) /* Syntax */
21:20:06 <zzo38> I do not mean in an array, though; I mean that if you put something at the address of the end of the structure, that it will be aligned regardless of what you put there (e.g. using malloc and memcpy, or something else like that)
21:23:32 <b_jonas> zzo38: in any case, in modern C you `#include <stdalign.h>` then put `alignas(32)` before the first data member in the struct type definition, replace 32 with the number of bytes that you want to align to. this makes that particular member aligned to at least 32 bytes, and as a consequence it also makes the start and end of the struct aligned to 32 bytes, with extra padding in the struct if necessary
21:24:30 <b_jonas> in earlier C you can sometimes use a compiler-specific attribute that works similar to alignas, or use a union with a built-in or library type that has the necessary alignment
21:24:35 <zzo38> I want the same alignment as malloc.
21:24:59 <fizzie> There's also `alignas (max_align_t)`, which I imagine should match `malloc`.
21:26:43 <zzo38> I don't know if I have that on my computer though
21:27:54 <fizzie> References: `malloc` returns memory that is "suitably aligned so that it may be assigned to a pointer to any type of object with a fundamental alignment requirement" (C11 7.22.3p1); a /fundamental alignment requirement/ is "an alignment less than or equal to the greatest alignment supported by the implementation in all contexts, which is equal to `_Alignof (max_align_t)`" (C11 6.2.8p2).
21:28:05 <b_jonas> zzo38: for max_align_t you need to `#include <stddef.h>` and (either use `-std=c11` or some similar compiler option, or define the correct feature request macro before you include anything)
21:30:14 <b_jonas> I guess you probably just want `-std=c11` or some higher compiler option, since you want the alignas keyword too, rather than the compiler-specific stuff, unless you're editing the rare old C source that you can't easily port to be C11-compatible (eg. because it calls prototype-less functions or declares functions without return type)
21:34:55 <zzo38> I also had some ideas of a variant of C programming language. I might be able to add extra steps before and after the preprocessor, but some things I would want to not have to do separately than the parser because I might want to e.g. handle custom members in structures, and to substitute when the C preprocessor reads files as input, etc. Can this be done without rewriting the entire compiler?
21:43:23 <zzo38> (Some such features can include: scoped macros, aliased definitions, custom definitions in structures, TRON strongs, etc)
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21:45:16 <b_jonas> zzo38: on extra steps before and after the preprocessor, see https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-09.html#lnrb
21:45:44 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139679&oldid=128498 * Aadenboy * (+1387) test
21:46:52 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139680&oldid=139679 * Aadenboy * (+3300) 2
21:46:56 <b_jonas> basically you can ask the compiler to do the preprocessing and the rest of the compilation separately. you should just usually make sure to pass mostly the same options to the preprocessing, compiling, and linking steps, unless you have a good reason to make the flags differ, because some options can influence all three steps, eg. define some predefined macros which can influence libraries to detect them
21:49:37 <b_jonas> in particular, both the preprocessor and compiler needs to know whether you're compiling C or C++, the language version of C or C++, the target CPU and even instruction set extensions, target operating system, whether threading is enabled, etc
21:49:54 <zzo38> I know I can do that, but some things might be difficult to implement in this way, such as to modify the included files that are read by the preprocessor
21:52:15 <zzo38> I had considered using -wrapper and -no-integrated-cpp to make all of the switches correct when wanting to add extra steps, although that only handles that part of it.
21:52:37 <b_jonas> there's at least an option to make the preprocessor show which files it's included, with full path, that can be helpful
21:54:28 <zzo38> The preprocessor will complain about unrecognized directives though, so that will need to be handled before the preprocessor reads the files, so then it might be necessary to handle #include separately
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22:52:37 <int-e> Fi-nally. I completed A Monster's Expedition (using the built-in hints for the last two snowmen)
22:54:06 <int-e> (I like those hints; they point to islands that you should focus on to make progress, which given the semi-open world nature of the game helps quite a bit.)
23:27:36 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139681&oldid=137730 * Aadenboy * (+18)
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00:13:59 <esolangs> [[User:BestCoder]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139682&oldid=138314 * BestCoder * (-1)
00:21:15 <esolangs> [[Corder]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139683 * BestCoder * (+218) Created page with "[[Recorder]] but you insert stuff == Inserting == x = hi[]hello x : [] no #x is now hinohello y = inseeeeeert y : e n # y is now insnnnnnnrt == Also here is unfunctioning == return y x: flip x y flip 2 3 # 3 2"
00:21:41 <esolangs> [[User:BestCoder]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139684&oldid=139682 * BestCoder * (+16)
00:28:41 <esolangs> [[Reverser]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139685 * BestCoder * (+468) Created page with "my own reversible language == commands == out: output tuo: remove this from the output inp: input pni: undetermined so noop loop N c E: loop the following E c N pool: still loop stop: stop pots: start start: start trats: stop inc: increment cni: decrement
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01:28:02 <esolangs> [[Huhgolf]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139686 * BestCoder * (+188) Created page with "this is actually a bunch of languages == Programs == hello world: golfprint("hello world") add two numbers: golfa=input();b=input();print(a+b) huhgolf interpreter: golfexec(input()[4:])"
01:28:30 <esolangs> [[User:BestCoder]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139687&oldid=139684 * BestCoder * (+17)
01:29:03 <esolangs> [[User:BestCoder]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139688&oldid=139687 * BestCoder * (+18)
01:33:21 <esolangs> [[Cyclic automaton]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139689 * BestCoder * (+36) Created page with "like linear bounded but it is circle"
01:54:19 <esolangs> [[2 poets, 1 poem]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139690 * Tommyaweosme * (+381) Created page with "2 poets, 1 poem is a [[poetic (family)|poetic]] [[2 bits, 1 Byte|2 bits, 1 byte]]. == commands == 1-2 letters - don 00 3 letters - act 01 4 letters - jmp 10 5 letters - end 11 6 letters - pri (print) 20 7 letters - inc (increment) 21 8 letters - dec (
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04:10:14 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139691&oldid=139541 * Rosenthal * (+15) /* Summing 1~n */ Rename variables to match article convention and test
04:31:46 <esolangs> [[Icebox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139692 * DifferentDance8 * (+3525) My first esolang!
04:32:54 <esolangs> [[Icebox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139693&oldid=139692 * DifferentDance8 * (-28) According to esolang standards, this isn't a joke language
04:35:07 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139694&oldid=139576 * DifferentDance8 * (+54) add IceBox
04:38:49 <ais523> <fizzie> (Because I've definitely been unexpectedly logged out from the wiki as well.) ← I have a remember-me login cookie set, and have never been unexpectedly logged out, but I often get a "We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data" message, and need to resubmit the edit
04:39:09 <ais523> my guess is that it's the same problem, but different symptoms due to the different remember me setting
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04:53:45 <esolangs> [[C-4]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139695 * DifferentDance8 * (+1378) Created page with "'''C-4''' is a revolutionary programming language designed to bring self-destruction to a whole new level. Unlike traditional languages that merely execute code, C-4 goes a step further by ensuring that both itself and any program you attempt to run are promptly ann
04:54:47 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139696&oldid=139631 * DifferentDance8 * (+148)
04:57:06 <esolangs> [[User:DifferentDance8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139697&oldid=139513 * DifferentDance8 * (+108)
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05:31:25 <esolangs> [[Talk:Tweak]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139698 * Yayimhere * (+122) Created page with "how are commands changed??? [:~~~~:]"
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06:28:51 <esolangs> [[Icebox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139699&oldid=139693 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Example Programs */
06:29:22 <esolangs> [[C-4]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139700&oldid=139695 * Ractangle * (+22) /* Author's Note */
06:31:06 <esolangs> [[Category:Deadfish derivatives]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139701&oldid=116864 * Ractangle * (+22)
06:32:06 <esolangs> [[Category:Deadfish derivatives]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139702&oldid=139701 * Ractangle * (+41)
06:34:05 <esolangs> [[Category:Deadfish derivatives]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139703&oldid=139702 * Ractangle * (+85)
06:39:10 <esolangs> [[E++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139704&oldid=82115 * Ractangle * (+23)
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06:44:16 <esolangs> [[Enterprise]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139705&oldid=79655 * Ractangle * (+24) /* References */
06:52:53 <esolangs> [[FIFOrth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139706&oldid=85666 * Ractangle * (+0) /* What is FIFOrth */
06:53:42 <esolangs> [[FIFTH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139707&oldid=31178 * Ractangle * (+24)
07:39:24 <esolangs> [[Ftack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139708&oldid=34507 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Computational class */
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07:47:07 <esolangs> [[Category theory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139709&oldid=104265 * Simple9371 * (+35) Generalize "sets" to "objects"
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08:08:08 <esolangs> [[Bubblegum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139710&oldid=139640 * PkmnQ * (+12)
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08:29:33 <esolangs> [[Fuck-brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139711&oldid=122183 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Python */
08:35:59 <esolangs> [[FunctionsFTW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139712&oldid=114083 * Ractangle * (-5) /* Implementation */
08:47:25 <esolangs> [[@!+-()]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139713&oldid=138282 * PkmnQ * (+54)
08:47:51 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * PkmnQ * moved [[@!+-() Turing-completness Proof]] to [[@!+-() Turing-completeness Proof]]: Misspelled title
08:49:16 <esolangs> [[A programming language is a system of notation for writing computer programs.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139716&oldid=131460 * PkmnQ * (+226)
08:49:28 <esolangs> [[A programming language is a system of notation for writing computer programs.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139717&oldid=139716 * PkmnQ * (+4) /* See also */
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09:53:00 <esolangs> [[He110!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139718&oldid=58736 * Ractangle * (+24) /* External resources */
09:56:40 <esolangs> [[Hello++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139719&oldid=117844 * Ractangle * (+24) /* See Also */
09:59:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:2KWLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139720&oldid=139641 * None1 * (+618) /* Comparison operators */
10:00:54 <esolangs> [[Talk:2KWLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139721&oldid=139720 * None1 * (+138) /* Comparison operators */
10:02:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:Gift]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139722&oldid=139591 * None1 * (-2)
10:03:12 <esolangs> [[Hi]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139723&oldid=131692 * Ractangle * (+46)
10:03:45 <esolangs> [[Hi]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139724&oldid=139723 * Ractangle * (-1) /* Implementations */
10:04:27 <esolangs> [[Gift]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139725&oldid=139484 * None1 * (+47) /* Examples */
10:12:30 <esolangs> [[Gift]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139726&oldid=139725 * None1 * (+419) /* Examples */
10:12:47 <esolangs> [[Gift]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139727&oldid=139726 * None1 * (+1)
10:12:54 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139728&oldid=139572 * Ractangle * (-1) /* Syntax */
10:13:26 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139729&oldid=139728 * Ractangle * (+4) /* Truth-machine */
10:13:47 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139730&oldid=139573 * Ractangle * (+5) /* 8ial */
10:23:30 <esolangs> [[HQ9+2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139731&oldid=91569 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Interpreters */
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10:30:23 <esolangs> [[Huby]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139732&oldid=90263 * Ractangle * (+24) /* External resources */
10:36:07 <esolangs> [[I hate your bf-derivative really I do]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139733&oldid=69678 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Hello, World! */
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10:42:46 <wib_jonas> in VBS, &HF000 is a 16-bit integer literal with negative value, so if x is a 32-bit integer then (&HF000 And x) won't just extract four bits of x, it will extract the top 20 bits, because &HF000 widens to &HFFFFF000&. I have to write (&HF000& And x) instead to extract just four bits. I knew this in theory but it's such an easy mistake to make, and
10:42:47 <wib_jonas> I wasted an hour trying to debug it yesterday, gave up, then spent an hour today to finally find the bug.
10:43:46 <wib_jonas> so just in case you want to know why in C, 0x7FFFFFFF has type int but 0x80000000 has type unsigned int, now you know, it's to avoid this exact stupid bug
10:48:30 <wib_jonas> mind you, you can still make this mistake in C: (0xF<<24 & x) is fine but (0xF<<28 & x) will extract the top 36 bits because 0xF<<28 is a signed int with negative value
10:50:56 <esolangs> [[Interdemento]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139734&oldid=59448 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Basics */
10:51:31 <esolangs> [[Interfrac]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139735&oldid=96976 * Ractangle * (+23) /* See also */
10:55:21 <esolangs> [[IRP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139736&oldid=106518 * Ractangle * (+24) /* See also */
10:55:53 <esolangs> [[IsThatAMotherFrickingSpecificAnimeReferenceLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139737&oldid=79200 * Ractangle * (+24) /* External resources */
10:57:42 <esolangs> [[Javascular]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139738&oldid=82415 * Ractangle * (+24) /* 5 is greater than 2 */
10:59:17 <esolangs> [[Keys]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139739&oldid=75849 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Implementations */
10:59:45 <esolangs> [[User:King Ethan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139740&oldid=91220 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Interpreter */
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11:38:24 <esolangs> [[Odasjoi]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139741&oldid=136309 * None1 * (+3) Use IPA
11:39:53 <esolangs> [[Befunge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139742&oldid=137780 * None1 * (+2) /* Etymology */ According to the formal pronounciation, using syllables instead of IPA, the e should pronounce a long vowel /i/
11:49:50 <esolangs> [[L.H.O.O.Q.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139743&oldid=59344 * Ractangle * (+22) /* External resources */
11:50:02 <esolangs> [[L.H.O.O.Q.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139744&oldid=139743 * Ractangle * (+2) /* External resources */
11:51:00 <esolangs> [[LAIDBACK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139745&oldid=31180 * Ractangle * (+24)
11:53:19 <fizzie> `(0xF<<28 & x)` also triggers UBSan warning, since it's technically undefined.
11:53:21 <HackEso> (0xF<<28? No such file or directory
11:53:25 <fizzie> ("runtime error: left shift of 15 by 28 places cannot be represented in type 'int'")
11:53:33 <fizzie> I forgot about ` being a prefix. :/
11:55:13 <fizzie> Here's a funny semi-obscure C89-to-C99 difference:
11:55:17 <fizzie> 22:00 <fizzie> ,cc -w -m32 -std=c89 printf("%d", 2147483648 > -1 ? 1 : 1000000);
11:55:19 <fizzie> 22:00 <candide> fizzie: 1000000
11:55:21 <fizzie> 22:00 <fizzie> ,cc -w -m32 -std=c99 printf("%d", 2147483648 > -1 ? 1 : 1000000);
11:55:23 <fizzie> 22:00 <candide> fizzie: 1
11:56:55 <fizzie> In C89, an unsuffixed decimal constant had the first type that can represent the value out of `int`, `long`, `unsigned long`; in C99 that was changed to `int`, `long`, `long long`, dropping the unsigned option.
11:58:21 <esolangs> [[Len(language,encoding)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139746&oldid=40884 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Example Hello World program */
11:59:02 <fizzie> It's also maybe a little bit of a gotcha that changing a constant from decimal to octal/hexadecimal can change its type.
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15:32:39 <wWwwW> i made dis:https://esolangs.org/wiki/Turtle_just_want_to_dig
15:32:49 <wWwwW> what is a possible computation class
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15:36:55 <int-e> . o O ( "if the below space is a space" )
15:37:09 <int-e> this doesn't seem to compute anything
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15:38:11 <wWwwW> why should it do computation?
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18:00:05 <JAA> How would you, say, add 1 and 2 in that language?
18:00:32 <wWwwW> idk. but i could ask the same thing about idk conways game of life
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18:02:41 <wWwwW> even a infinite loop is computation
18:02:50 <wWwwW> but how much computation can it do?
18:04:12 <esolangs> [[SIMPLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139789&oldid=83853 * Ractangle * (+24) /* References */
18:04:27 <JAA> People much more clever than me have figured out how to do addition and various other fun stuff in Game of Life.
18:04:45 <wWwwW> what im trying to say is
18:05:08 <wWwwW> but also nobody can say: "oh yea how could THIS do computation????"
18:05:31 <esolangs> [[SLOBOL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139790&oldid=63941 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Languages inspired by this description */
18:06:11 <JAA> Maybe it's possible, yeah. That's why I'm asking. :-)
18:06:40 <wWwwW> a person i asked said it prop was
18:06:46 <JAA> Seems to me that you'd need to figure out how to compute things in it before being able to say anything about the computational class.
18:07:20 <wWwwW> i have made a looping counter already
18:07:56 <esolangs> [[Stoplight]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139791&oldid=83917 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Interpreter */
18:08:34 <wWwwW> coutning number of spaces
18:08:40 <wWwwW> this is the counter value
18:09:23 <wWwwW> and increments every iteration
18:09:27 <esolangs> [[Tautology]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139792&oldid=35549 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Implementation */
18:09:56 <esolangs> [[Tech Support Scam]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139793&oldid=105901 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Truth machine */
18:10:43 <JAA> Trying to understand the rules. So the turtle moves to the right. Then there's a bug under it, and it has spaces on both sides. So shouldn't the turtle eat the bug and the program terminate?
18:10:56 <JAA> > if there are space to the both left and right AND the below space is a space it will move down into it
18:10:57 <lambdabot> parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
18:11:22 <wWwwW> the way the bug moves
18:11:48 <wWwwW> the bug is defenitly needed
18:11:55 <JAA> So what does the situation look like after one move?
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18:20:03 <esolangs> [[Unary Except Every Zero Is Replaced with the Title of This Programming Language or, Alternately, Is Replaced with the Smallest Counter-Example to the Goldbach Conjecture. Compilers and Interpreters Only Have to Implement the Former Option]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139797&oldid=76710 * Ractangle * (+24) /* See Also */
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20:26:26 <esolangs> [[2KWLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139826&oldid=138969 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+45) Operators, computational class
20:28:24 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * PythonshellDebugwindow * moved [[Icebox]] to [[IceBox]]: Fix capitalisation
20:30:00 <esolangs> [[IceBox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139829&oldid=139827 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+58) Distinguish confusion, add category
20:30:26 <esolangs> [[Ice box]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139830&oldid=123866 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+33) Distinguish confusion
20:34:42 <esolangs> [[Y/Y]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139831&oldid=139824 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+50) Stub, categories
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21:53:42 <zzo38> In DOS, Windows, and UNIX, a program's arguments are always a sequence of strings (C strings in the case of UNIX), and there are environment variables, etc. I had thought to make a better way that one of the forks of a program file indicates what type of initial message it expects. (At the low-level it is only a sequence of bytes and/or capabilities, but meanings are caused by higher level codes.)
21:54:46 <zzo38> The types might be: null, tagged union, structure, integer, floating point, C string, Pascal string, typed arrays, capabilities, typed capabilities. etc. (There are also further variants, e.g. signed vs unsigned integers, and different sizes of integers (including variable size).)
21:57:48 <zzo38> Do you have other comments about this, including other details about the types?
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22:31:29 <ais523> zzo38: I think taking capabilities as input is the most important part – that makes it possible for programs to state exactly what OS/privileged resources they're going to access
22:32:33 <ais523> in fact, I think that it would be correct for the shell to translate command-line arguments to capabilities using a standard convention, e.g. if you write a filename you get a capability to access that file, which is normally read-only, but using the -o option makes it write-only instead
22:32:33 <zzo38> Yes, that is one of the most important parts of my operating system design. (All programs must receive at least one capability as input otherwise it cannot do any I/O.)
22:33:12 <ais523> there needs to be some way for users to specify numerical and string options, etc., but I don't see an advantage from having the shell/OS translate them to different sorts of string or integer
22:33:22 <ais523> you can just pick a standard format and have the program translate, if it needs to
22:33:42 <ais523> maybe using just capabilities and strings is best
22:33:42 <zzo38> The use of the type of initial message should make it unnecessary to work that way; instead the command shell works much like other programming languages that have data types.
22:34:08 <ais523> you might want to look at Microsoft's PowerShell – IIRC it's a shell with typed command-line arguments (although it doesn't use capabilities)
22:35:28 <zzo38> Yes, I have seen it.
22:35:47 <ais523> a while ago I worked out a capability system in which there were four different relationships a program could have with a class of capability
22:36:37 <b_jonas> ais523: we can already pass open file descriptors to a process we exec, thus giving it the capability to read, or read and write, or append to the file. I've used that a few times, passing the number of the file descriptor in a command-line option to tell the program how to use which descriptor. Bash even has some nice syntax support for this, more of it in recent versions.
22:36:38 <ais523> a) it could grant itself the capability, even without being given the capability from outside; b) it inherited the capability from the program that ran it; c) it didn't have the capability by default, but could gain it by interacting with the user or a higher-privilege program; d) it couldn't gain the capability by any means
22:37:20 <ais523> although, some programs get confused if you call them with a set of open FDs other than exactly 0, 1, 2
22:37:44 <ais523> open FDs are an obvious way to implement capability passing, when the capabilities give access to a file or directory
22:38:46 <b_jonas> yeah, sometimes they erroneously pass them on to programs that they spawn, but this happen less if the program is explicitly designed to take descriptors this way than if you just try to pass --some-option=/dev/fd/$foo {foo}<$filename to a program that normally expects a filename
22:39:22 <ais523> and I think on Linux it would be possible to set up a syscall filter so that programs couldn't access files except by using existing FDs, and couldn't go upwards from existing directory FDs (basically you deny file-opening APIs other than openat2 and force it to use arguments that prevent going upwards)
22:40:03 <ais523> there's also the ergonomic issue of people normally writing "more filename" rather than "more < filename"
22:40:04 <zzo38> In my design, the only way for a program to receive a capability is to receive it from a message, which is either the initial message or a message received through another capability. Furthermore, capabilities are not distinguished from proxy capabilities; many features will use proxy capabilities and you can pass a different one than the one expected and the program will try to use it.
22:40:16 <ais523> and the issue of commands that take variable numbers of input files
22:40:19 <zzo38> (The low-level system knows nothing about types)
22:40:33 <ais523> I do agree that a proxy capability system is necessary
22:41:25 <b_jonas> ais523: I think you can do that by file system namespaces, so that the program sees nothing mounted other than what you really want to pass. similarly you can use network namespaces so it can't access network except possibly a specific local or tunnel network that you use to communicate with it, or through sockets that you pass into it
22:41:25 <ais523> are you aware of the Linux command/syscall unshare(1)/unshare(2)?
22:41:57 <ais523> b_jonas: in effect that is setting up a container – it would work but might be overly complicated? or might not be
22:42:29 <ais523> I think, e.g., programs should be able to put up a Save As dialog box and save to any location that the user specifies, if the user has access to write there
22:43:14 <ais523> and they should get the capability to do that "from the user", implemented via a program that asks the user where to save and manufactures capabilities to write to that location
22:43:23 <ais523> (sort of like sudo on a much lower-permissioned level)
22:43:24 <b_jonas> ais523: unshare(2) yes, that's one of the underlying syscalls for setting up namespaces; no for unshare(1)
22:44:09 <ais523> it's basically just a wrapper around unshare(2) but it makes screwing around with namespaces very easy
22:44:34 <ais523> I think of it like a proxy capability system, in that it can give the program capabilities within the container that the user running it doesn't have outside the container
22:44:52 <zzo38> My design does not have directory structures and file names, so there is no such thing a a "Save As" dialog box; however, for a more usual system you can implement Save As in the way that you describe it makes sense.
22:44:52 <b_jonas> though I think it's rare, normally you want clone(2) to set up namespaces instead. I wonder if there's a higher level wrapper that's like posix_spawn but supports that and more.
22:45:35 <b_jonas> I don't even really understand why unshare(2) exists really, but there's probably some niche use for it.
22:46:10 <ais523> I think it's so that a program can sandbox itslef
22:46:15 <ais523> as opposed to sandboxing a child process
22:49:18 <zzo38> I think that would be why unshare exists, although I think that it is going to be more complicated and messy than a purely capability-based system, that does not have name spaces and the other stuff like that.
22:51:07 <b_jonas> by the way as for clone, do you found it funny how pre-pthreads linuxthreads caused Linux to obsolete the orignal exit system call with a new call group_exit which _exit now calls, because the exit syscall has to be binary compatible with programs using old linuxthreads. Like, I understand why some system calls like lstat or statfs or getdents have like four binary incompatible generations of underlying
22:51:14 <b_jonas> syscalls implementing them, but exit (literally system call 1, as old as Unix) is the last syscall to which you'd expect this would happen.
22:51:48 <zzo38> I did not know that, since I had not used pre-pthreads linuxthreads
22:53:19 <b_jonas> the only saving grace is that those old syscalls can be removed in newly created architectures whose syscall ABI is entirely incompatible with existing architectures, but that has a very long half-life for old syscalls on popular architectures
22:54:29 <zzo38> About the typed initial messaged I had mentioned above, a problem with the shell converting file names like that is that it allows inadvertently giving capabilities that are not intended. The command shell being a programming language with types, will do it better.
22:54:30 <b_jonas> also technically sometimes you can remove some old syscalls with kernel compile options, which I know because I once did that accidentally with a kernel that I compiled and it caused everything to break
22:55:32 <zzo38> In some cases it might automatically convert types, e.g. the command shell programming language (also called "Command, Automation, and Query Language") might not have C strings, so it will convert a Pascal string to a C string if that is what the program uses and will result in an error message (without executing the program) if it contains a null byte.
22:55:47 <b_jonas> and when that happens, programs usually break without a good error message
22:56:44 <b_jonas> zzo38: yeah, that already happens. bash uses strings that can contain nul bytes, but has to convert the if you use one as a command-line argument to an external program or as an environment variable
22:57:59 <b_jonas> also when using a string as a filename. and it's not just bash, this happens with some other high-level languages too. it can lead to funny security vulnerabilities if you do it wrong.
22:59:09 <zzo38> I think Lisp has a separate filename type.
23:00:32 <zzo38> However, some programming languages have other problems with using strings as filenames, depending on how they differ from the filenames of the system; there are differences between operating systems and between programming languages. For example, some might require them to be Unicode strings, and then there is difference of case-sensitivity, etc.
23:00:41 <zzo38> So, my own system will not have file names.
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23:04:41 <b_jonas> ok, I guess unshare makes sense at least partly, since most other syscalls in unix work that way, modifying the state of the current process instead of a newly spawned one. maybe the stuff like file system namespace and network namespace should be in unshared, while clone keeps only the stuff that fork normally unshares, most importantly CLONE_VM
23:06:07 <b_jonas> zzo38: sure, you can have a filename type, but at some point you still have to be able to convert a string to a filename
23:06:16 <zzo38> In order for emulation, network transparency, etc, also I would think that a common convention for endianness, etc will be defined for the data types in messages and files as well, so that they will be the same on alll computers. (A program may then internally convert the data to its own endianness, alignment, etc, if it wishes to perform its own computations using it (rather than merely pass it to someone else).)
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23:07:13 <b_jonas> and yes, unix uses byte strings as filenames, windows uses UCS-16 strings as filenames, unix updates file modification time at every write, windows doesn't, these are fundamental differences that we can't really fix and if you want portable programs you effectively have to support both cases explicitly.
23:10:35 <zzo38> Yes, you might sometimes need to convert a string to a file name. However, for many systems you could just accept text in files, command-line arguments, etc and just use those when you need anything beyond the program's own ASCII file names, and for the program's own ASCII file names to use a consistent case and never use file names with the other case, then it might work, but it is messy.
23:12:48 <zzo38> What my idea is to just not have file names at all. When you pass a file to a uxn program, it will be converted to a sequence of letters/numbers and then the uxn emulator will internally associate that name with that file temporarily. This also applies when a link to another file is read from a file, perhaps.
23:14:17 <zzo38> This also means that the C standard library will not have a fopen function, although fopencookie, fmemopen, etc are still available. There will be other functions to make a FILE object to access a capability that you have access to, though.
23:23:31 <zzo38> Are there data types that I had missed in the list that I had written above?
23:25:14 <zzo38> (It would still be possible to give a message that does not conform to the expected format, although you would have to use the command to deliberately send a raw message, then; normally it would use the specified formats)
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23:45:19 <ais523> zzo38: I think most programs don't need to know the filename of the user files they operate on – however, programs often also have data files of their own, and need some way to identify them, so it makes sense to have a filename for those
23:46:26 <ais523> when a program does need to know the name of the file it's operating on, it's normally to show it to the user (and IMO programs should have a type specifically for "text that is shown to the user" so that it can contain formatting, be translated into other languages, etc.)
23:47:11 <ais523> but, sometimes a program wants to operate on an entire directory or directory tree, and filenames are useful there too
23:47:29 <zzo38> I had thought of such things too, and have thought of some other ways of doing some of these things.
23:50:20 <zzo38> Files can contain links to other files, so a program can contain links to its data files, or a configuration file might have. For operating on many files, a sequence of links is possible, too. For "text that is shown to the user", I had considered that too, because I had considered i18n. And, the Common Data Format (used for most files and for the command shell) also allows for rich text.
23:52:08 <zzo38> I think that the existing locale handling in many systems isn't that good, e.g. that paper size doesn't belong in the locale but rather in the printer driver configuration.
23:53:47 <zzo38> Money formats belong with the data file being displayed, and not with the locale either.
23:54:48 <ais523> hmm – I think money formats are a mix of the data and the user's locale
23:54:52 <zzo38> The language will belong with the locale, and so will date/time formats, although date/time formats should not need identifiers (using identifiers only limits them), and will not necessarily be a Gregorian calendar nor 24-hours (so "space age time keeping" would also be possible)
23:55:10 <zzo38> OK, you are probably right about money formats.
23:55:27 <ais523> an amount of money that's displayed as $5.20 in the USA should be displayed as US$5.20 in Canada (where $ normally mans something different) and 5,20 USD in France
23:56:05 <ais523> or maybe 5.20 USD in Canada, too
23:56:16 <ais523> it is hard to be unambiguous, often
23:56:57 <ais523> I agree with you that locale handling typically isn't very good, though
23:57:09 <zzo38> Yes, things like that is what I thought you meant
23:57:22 <ais523> with the paper size examples, WYSIWYG editors often have trouble because the paper size where the file is edited and where the file is printed are different
23:57:46 <ais523> and users aren't typically asked to specify the paper size when creating a document, even though this is important for WYSIWYG to work
23:58:04 <ais523> (I prefer WYSIWYM editors, usually, which have enough information to adapt the document to a different paper size)
23:59:03 <zzo38> A file that is formatted for a specific paper size would store that data of course, and the user would always be able to set this if it is necessary to do in the file, regardless of the printer driver configuration. (Not all files will be formatted for specific paper sizes.)
00:00:02 <ais523> yes – what seems to happen in practice with editors like Microsoft Word is that it guesses a paper size when you create the document, then saves it in the document
00:00:09 <ais523> but this causes problems when the guess is wrong
00:01:08 <zzo38> And, about WYSIWYG, when editing rich text, a "Reveal Codes" feature like WordPerfect will be needed.
00:02:10 <zzo38> A program that requires a paper size should be allowed to be configured anyways; but the printer driver configuration can be used if a paper size is somehow required even though it has not been configured for that file nor for that program.
00:02:44 <ais523> in my case, my computer is usually not attached to a printer
00:03:20 <ais523> if I need to print something (which is very rare) I can borrow a printer, but that's typically only after I've already written the document
00:05:03 <ais523> for what it's worth, I have also had dreams of writing my own OS, but my plans involved using an existing kernel and just replacing the userland (because it would be too difficult to rewrite all the device drivers from scratch)
00:05:29 <zzo38> Yes, although I meant the printer driver configuration, which is not the same as the printer itself (although it could be automatically configured according to the printer if you have one). (You could install a null printer driver if you need to, although in the case I described it would not be necessary if you only want to configure one specific program or file. However, it would be useful if you commonly use one paper size.)
00:07:16 <zzo38> About using existing kernels, my idea is that such a thing might be possible, at least with some kernels; it might be possible to run it inside of another operating system (I think Inferno also does), although standalone implementations would also be possible. The specification is separate from the implementation, so multiple implementations are possible. (In some cases, it might help to modify the existing kernels; I don't know, thoug
00:11:20 <zzo38> Character encoding is another thing included in the locale in some systems but that also belongs with the data being displayed. In my system, this would be handled by Common Data Format; in addition to Extended TRON Code, you can also specify arbitrary 8-bit character sets.
00:12:09 <zzo38> The keyboard manager also allows selecting a 8-bit character set (this is done by the application program) in "short character mode", and then if the user has a keyboard layout installed for that character set then it can be automatically selected. (For example, this ability might be useful for APL programming, maybe)
00:19:02 <zzo38> For telephone number formats, you can use international telephone numbers for better i18n; if the country code is known to not display it in some cases if desired, that could be a display setting for locales possibly, although you might want to deliberately display it anyways. For dialing telephone numbers, that can be the telephone modem configuration perhaps, that it knows to include or exclude country codes.
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02:41:16 <Sgeo> Do... amplifiers usually require two inputs?
02:41:42 <Sgeo> Thinking of how students at MIT hooked up 4 lights on the PDP-1 to two amplifiers? speakers?
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02:45:46 <Sgeo> SIMH's help has a slightly misleading description
02:46:02 <Sgeo> "The paper tape reader supports the BOOT command. BOOT PTR copies the RIM loader into memory and starts it running."
02:46:26 <Sgeo> PDP-1 does not have a RIM loader program in memory, as I understand it
02:46:38 <Sgeo> (Or, a RIM loader toggled into memory I mean)
02:47:37 <Sgeo> And indeed, PDP-8 SIMH BOOT PTR copies a program into memory, and PDP-1 SIMH does not.
02:49:07 <Sgeo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-8#/media/File:PDP-8_I_Bedienfeld_(simuliert).png it's great that PDP-8 "ROM" is human entered/loaded rom
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05:27:13 <korvo> I still dislike the intro section, but I don't want to just stomp it, especially since I can't really replace it with much other than the standard formal definitions.
05:27:29 <korvo> Maybe I should add more "a category can be thought of as" examples.
05:29:55 <zzo38> Another thing I would say about category theory would be that a category is like a monoid but that the composition has to match, like the number of rows has to match the number of columns of the other matrix.
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05:30:35 <zzo38> (A monoid is effectively the case that all of them match.)
05:31:12 <korvo> Yep, categories are generalized monoids. This is one of the edge cases of a process called -oidification.
05:32:18 <korvo> Like, a group is merely a group object in Set, the category of sets. (A group object has all endomorphisms invertible; you can always undo an action.) A groupoid is a handful of group objects.
05:32:55 <korvo> A category is like a monoidoid, if they could exist. Like you say, the composition has to be well-typed.
05:34:38 <korvo> Another useful perspective: category theory is like categorified set theory. A set is merely a 0-category. Any set-theoretic construction can be redone in category theory without losing any information or flexibility.
05:35:30 <zzo38> At least, to me, it makes more sense to consider like monoids but they can match like that, rather than the usual way of considering category theory, although that works too of course.
05:37:57 <zzo38> (Also, to me, matrix multiplication seems the most obvious example, considering the definition of a category)
05:39:11 <korvo> Yeah, the category Mat is nice. Its objects are literally just natural numbers. (It's technically Mat_k over some semiring k, which is less nice.)
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05:39:58 <korvo> And of course there's not-quite-category theory to consider. The most important case for us is probably dagger-category theory, which covers reversible/invertible transformations.
05:40:35 <korvo> Historically that's meant quantum mechanics and other physics, but lately it's also used for relational logic. The category Rel of sets and relations is naturally a dagger-category, for example.
05:44:40 <zzo38> Also, I think categories can be addition, multiplication, expoentiation, where the finite discrete categories are effectively as good as natural numbers with these operations.
06:01:17 <korvo> Yeah. And that can get really complex, as with PROPs. Terrible name for a cool idea.
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19:45:19 <b_jonas> "<ais523> I have also had dreams of writing my own OS," => is that still the mobile phone one, or does this one target other computers too?
19:49:08 <HackEso> A category is an enriched category where the enriching category is the category of classes.
19:49:09 <HackEso> A monoid is the easy version of a category.
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20:29:31 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/?++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139910&oldid=139908 * Ractangle * (-69) Ill try to come up with a concept for this language
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20:58:27 <ais523> b_jonas: I don't remember having planned a mobile phone OS, specifically
20:58:38 <ais523> so you might be thinking of something else
20:58:57 <esolangs> [[Try]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139924&oldid=138292 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+28) Stub, formatting, category
20:59:15 <ais523> that said, I think current mobile phone OSes are better-designed from a security point of view than current desktop OSes, although they nonetheless still have a lot of issues
20:59:24 <ais523> (by OS here I am including userland, not just the kernel)
21:00:29 <esolangs> [[Self but with loops]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139925&oldid=139611 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+202) See also, categories
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21:01:52 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[File:Something that managed to create this language.jpg]]": Copyright violation: not created by the uploader, and the source is likely to be copyrighted
21:03:25 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[File:Logo Turmin.png]]": Duplicated file: lower-resolution copy of [[File:Turmin Logo.png]]
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21:18:48 <b_jonas> you don't remember having planned a mobile phone OS? I'll have to search the old channel logs for that then
21:19:20 <b_jonas> "they nonetheless still have a lot of issues" => http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2024-08-31.2802.smartphones-vs-pc.html agrees
21:23:55 <b_jonas> yeah, apparently you said that you weren't planning to make one https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2018-09.html#lfLb
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22:41:42 <zzo38> The document is French, so I will not make a criticism of it, but about mobile phone OS, I did not have an intention to do it; my ideas are intended for a desktop or laptop computer, although they could be used for smartphones etc also
22:42:54 <zzo38> I think there are problems with security with mobile phones as well as with desktop, as well as other stuff, but that a better design would consider multiple issues and would be able to improve multiple issues.
22:44:27 <zzo38> In addition to security, another issue is better user control and user programmability. And then, there is also such things as accessibility, internationalization, etc.
22:45:43 <zzo38> Also hardware design; although implementations could be made to use with existing hardware, there are some better ways to do some of it, including the devices such as keyboard, etc.
22:46:22 <zzo38> Like Apple keyboard, I would have a separate Return and Enter key, and a separate Command and Control key.
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03:51:49 <zzo38> One problem with the security in smartphones is that the permissions are too coarse, and another is that it is not designed that the user can easily override the effects of the I/O (e.g. that one program will believe that the screen size is half or that a video file is actually a camera); however, fixing the latter would also mitigat the former problem. There are many other issues too.
03:52:36 <zzo38> However, there are other problems with smartphone designs including lack of physical keyboard, touch screen, etc. I do not have a smartphone because this computer is much better instead.
03:54:10 <zzo38> Another security issue with any computer, is something that is not handled by software, but physical tampering; you can make it easy to detect by physical inspection of the computer. One thing I had seen suggested is adding glitter.
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13:21:15 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Archive/Before 2024 9 20]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139983 * PrySigneToFry * (+20285) Created page with "== == === Talking page is moved. === You can also talk with me at [[User:PrySigneToFry/Discussion]]. === Can you not fucking choose to "add a topic"?! === Can't you just fucking save me something?!!! --[[User:PrySigneToFry
13:22:07 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Archive]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139984&oldid=139979 * MihaiEso * (+23)
13:23:19 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139985&oldid=139982 * PrySigneToFry * (-19249) Replaced content with "== Welcome! == Welcome to my talking page. Add contents by yourself! == Rules == === Original === # You should't includes illegal elements (especially those that violate the Esolang Wiki site rules). # You can talk with these topic
13:23:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139986&oldid=139985 * PrySigneToFry * (+2)
13:32:05 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/PrySigneToFry English]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139987 * MihaiEso * (+1168) Created page with "Yeah. Because PrySigneToFry is a Chinese person, the English is normally different. Here are some examples, compared with normal English. == Rules == * Add more rules * No spam or talking * List only differences == Differences == {| c
13:37:01 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/tommyaweosme english]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139988&oldid=139965 * PrySigneToFry * (+301)
13:40:47 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/PrySigneToFry English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139989&oldid=139987 * MihaiEso * (+36)
13:43:27 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139990&oldid=139575 * PrySigneToFry * (+5)
13:44:19 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My words]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139991 * PrySigneToFry * (+245) Created page with "{{WIP}} Here's a glossary of my own words. You can add your own words to my glossary! == Nouns == midorcase: A type of letter that sits between uppercase and lowercase, usually rendered as small uppercase letters. multiline: More than
13:48:05 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My words]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139992&oldid=139991 * Yayimhere * (+42) /* Nouns */
13:48:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139993&oldid=137575 * PrySigneToFry * (+175)
13:48:19 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My words]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139994 * MihaiEso * (+126) Created page with "==More words== Can you add more words? ~~~~"
13:49:05 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My words]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139995&oldid=139994 * Yayimhere * (+150) /* More words */
13:49:13 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139996&oldid=138151 * PrySigneToFry * (+51)
13:49:44 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My words]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139997&oldid=139992 * MihaiEso * (+44)
13:50:47 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139998&oldid=139557 * PrySigneToFry * (+13)
13:55:45 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139999&oldid=139634 * PrySigneToFry * (+1565) wt o ser th lchd ex t prss tt there r l
13:56:27 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140000&oldid=139999 * PrySigneToFry * (+64)
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14:13:38 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/PrySigneToFry English]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140001 * Yayimhere * (+165) Created page with "maybe this could use [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My words]] as words? [:~~~~:]"
14:18:26 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/Mihai Again1]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140002 * MihaiEso * (+1325) Created page with "I made [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again5]] FUNNIER! ~~~~ 1. Take the already garbage one <pre> No No No Force full-screen mode Force full-screen mode Tedn's tyrange is a thief. Click to make this setting optional Hunter No _Lock activation </pre> 2. Put
14:18:57 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140003&oldid=139998 * MihaiEso * (+44)
14:19:39 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140004&oldid=139760 * MihaiEso * (+45) /* Horribly translated variants */
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16:20:12 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Li210 * New user account
16:27:51 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140005&oldid=139904 * Li210 * (+190)
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16:35:25 <esolangs> [[User:Li210]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140006 * Li210 * (+7) Created page with "some mf"
16:45:57 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140007&oldid=139974 * Ais523 * (+379) /* Hmm... */ MIT files are not acceptable for public-domain sites
16:51:45 <esolangs> [[Talk:lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140008&oldid=119960 * PlaceReporter99 * (+183) /* Even even shorter self-interpreter */
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17:06:57 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My words]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140009&oldid=139997 * Yayimhere * (+44)
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17:17:35 <esolangs> [[PIX/Interpreter]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140010 * MihaiEso * (+5644) Created page with "Here is a working PIX interpreter in HTML, CSS and JS. Generated by Claude 3.5 Sonnet, then changed the example by myself: <pre> <!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en"> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-s
17:20:42 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140011&oldid=140007 * MihaiEso * (+1196) /* Hmm... */
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17:27:01 <esolangs> [[PIX]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140012 * MihaiEso * (+2623) Created page with "'''PIX''' is a esolang made by Mihai Popa. He wants a "fantasy console" that can only show graphics, so he came with a idea, and he called it PIX! == Specifications == It has 320320 vector graphics, in 4, 16, 32 colors or full RGB. == Commands == {| class="wikitable" |+
17:27:41 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140013&oldid=139963 * MihaiEso * (+60)
17:28:10 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140014&oldid=139884 * MihaiEso * (+10) /* P */
17:31:07 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140015&oldid=140011 * MihaiEso * (-1196) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/140011|140011]] by [[Special:Contributions/MihaiEso|MihaiEso]] ([[User talk:MihaiEso|talk]]) Maybe possible copyright.
17:34:58 <esolangs> [[PIX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140016&oldid=140012 * MihaiEso * (+179) /* Microsoft Logo */
17:37:29 <esolangs> [[PIX/Interpreter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140017&oldid=140010 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+34) Link, category
17:38:43 <esolangs> [[PIX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140018&oldid=140016 * MihaiEso * (+12)
17:39:07 <esolangs> [[PIX]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140019&oldid=140018 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+57) Categories
17:39:22 <esolangs> [[PIX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140020&oldid=140019 * MihaiEso * (+38)
17:40:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:lang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140021&oldid=140008 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+47) /* Even even shorter self-interpreter */ Unsigned
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18:14:05 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/PrySigneToFry English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140022&oldid=139989 * Yayimhere * (+60) /* Differences */
18:18:45 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My words]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140023&oldid=140009 * Yayimhere * (+44) /* Nouns */
18:22:48 <esolangs> [[Nope]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140024&oldid=138160 * Yayimhere * (-1) /* turing completeness proof */
18:29:39 <Sgeo> PIX is more of a ... human readable image format
18:31:06 <Sgeo> I'm unclear how the screen modes work
18:41:11 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/PrySigneToFry English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140025&oldid=140022 * MihaiEso * (-23) /* Differences */
18:44:14 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140026&oldid=140015 * Ais523 * (+353) /* Hmm... */ clarify what the problem is
18:45:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140027&oldid=140026 * MihaiEso * (+144) /* Hmm... */
19:04:31 <esolangs> [[Number2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140028&oldid=117576 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+237) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Number2D programming language on GitHub and supplemented three page category tags.
19:06:16 <esolangs> [[Number2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140029&oldid=140028 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+0) Rectified the example program Example 1 which hitherto invoked a tape modification instruction (4) in lieu of a horizontal instruction pointer redirection (2).
19:17:19 <esolangs> [[R++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140030&oldid=127143 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Truth-machine */
19:20:14 <esolangs> [[Str0ng%password]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140031 * Li210 * (+5920) Created page with "'''Str0ng%password''' (or ''strongpw'') is a [[String rewriting paradigm|string-rewriting]] [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:Li210]] during two days of binging designer stimulants. The language only allows user to work with a single arbitrary ty
19:21:48 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140032&oldid=140004 * MihaiEso * (-16) /* Horribly translated variants */
19:22:21 <esolangs> [[There Once was an Esolang Named Fred]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140033&oldid=79581 * Ractangle * (+22)
19:22:45 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140034&oldid=140014 * Li210 * (+22)
19:32:05 <esolangs> [[Translated PIX]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140035 * MihaiEso * (+1944) Created page with "Let's put my own graphical language [[PIX]] to bonkers! 1. Take the "Hello, TIC-80!" example: <pre> ! We set the screen mode and pallete SM 16C SC 1 #ffffff SC 2 #1a1c2c SC 3 #29366f SC 4 #41a6f4 SC 5 #f4f4f4 ! We draw the actual picture ! Start R 0 0 320 320 1
19:34:08 <esolangs> [[A1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140036&oldid=119756 * Ractangle * (+23) /* See also */
19:43:55 <esolangs> [[ABPL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140037 * Ractangle * (+249) Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=ABPL{{s|WNL}}}} ABPL{{s|WNL}} is an [[ABPLWNL]] esolang with just two commands (I don't need to say what are they) ==Additional commands== {| class="wikitable" ! Symbol !! Actions |- | Example || Example |- | Example || Example |}"
19:48:21 <esolangs> [[ABPL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140038&oldid=140037 * Ractangle * (+56) /* Additional commands */
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20:00:38 <esolangs> [[ABPL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140039&oldid=140038 * Ractangle * (+41) /* Additional commands */
20:00:52 <esolangs> [[ABPL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140040&oldid=140039 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Examples */
20:01:33 <esolangs> [[ABPL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140041&oldid=140040 * Ractangle * (+30)
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20:38:59 <esolangs> [[Number2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140042&oldid=140029 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+633) Reformatted the instruction listing as a table, improved the orthography and the code fragments' formatting.
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22:50:08 <zzo38> I might want to try to make a GUI library in C, since the existing ones are limited in various ways. Often they have some things that I did not want, or lack support for some features such as bitmap fonts, non-Unicode multibyte text, an improved scroll bar style, etc. I dislike the modern fancy animations and that stuff too. (Xaw also has a different set of problems that some things just don't work very well)
22:56:20 <zzo38> It might do if I might make it with a system-dependent part and system-independent part, so that multiple implementations of the system-dependent part can be possible.
22:58:34 <zzo38> (Another alternative could be to modify an existing program, if there is a suitable one, that is not too difficult to modify and not too big to modify)
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01:00:52 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140043&oldid=139906 * WikiRasp * (-81) Better
01:02:21 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140044&oldid=140043 * WikiRasp * (+6) I got rid of a <pre> by accident
01:34:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/archives]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140045&oldid=139961 * Tommyaweosme * (+33)
01:34:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:My-new-esolang.txt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140046&oldid=139952 * Tommyaweosme * (+222)
01:39:38 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuckconsole74]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140047&oldid=139967 * Tommyaweosme * (+203)
02:00:19 <esolangs> [[ABPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140048&oldid=140041 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+69) Categories
02:15:00 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140049&oldid=140044 * Cycwin * (+24)
03:03:22 <esolangs> [[Esolangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140050&oldid=127741 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+14)
03:03:32 <esolangs> [[Esolangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140051&oldid=140050 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+0) /* Examples */
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03:42:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuckconsole74]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140052&oldid=140047 * MihaiEso * (+4078)
04:45:21 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/tommyaweosme english]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140053&oldid=139988 * PrySigneToFry * (+156)
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04:50:49 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140054&oldid=139990 * PrySigneToFry * (+19)
04:52:04 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140055 * PrySigneToFry * (+2072) Created page with "-- is an Esolang designed by PSTF. It is ACTUALLY derived from [[deadfish]]. == Commands == <pre> This Esolang|Deadfish|Meaning |i |Increase |d |Decrease |s |Square |o |Output as Integer </pre> == Examples
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04:56:50 <esolangs> [[Protogen/Better python interpreter]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140056 * DifferentDance8 * (+686) Created page with "[[User:DifferentDance8]] created a significantly improved version of the official [[Protogen]] interpreter called "Pygen". It differs from the official Protogen interpreter in that it allows users to indirectly use the examples folder b
04:57:13 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140057&oldid=139969 * PrySigneToFry * (+403)
04:57:42 <esolangs> [[Protogen]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140058&oldid=101399 * DifferentDance8 * (+92)
04:58:24 <esolangs> [[Protogen/Better python interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140059&oldid=140056 * DifferentDance8 * (+41)
05:00:55 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140060&oldid=140027 * PrySigneToFry * (+789) /* My talking page */ new section
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05:06:37 <esolangs> [[PIX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140061&oldid=140020 * PrySigneToFry * (+196)
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05:11:57 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140062&oldid=139977 * PrySigneToFry * (+728) /* Would you like to contribute to BubbleLang? */ new section
05:13:05 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140063&oldid=139976 * PrySigneToFry * (+19)
05:16:40 <esolangs> [[User:DifferentDance8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140064&oldid=139855 * DifferentDance8 * (+156)
05:28:44 <esolangs> [[User:DifferentDance8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140065&oldid=140064 * DifferentDance8 * (+166)
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05:43:32 <esolangs> [[E q u a t i o n]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140066 * DifferentDance8 * (+5031) Created page with "'''E q u a t i o n''' (formerly titled '''ComplexEquations''') is an esoteric programming language where every aspect must be represented through an equation. The language is designed to handle simple arithmetic operations, emphasizing the use of equatio
05:45:19 <esolangs> [[Shorten your Brainfuck code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140067&oldid=107953 * DifferentDance8 * (+13) /* Use the visualizer */
05:50:57 <esolangs> [[!!!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140068&oldid=127324 * DifferentDance8 * (+29) This moves turns !! from a orphaned page to a dead-end page, which is still bad but better than an orphaned page
05:51:38 <esolangs> [[3 bytes :v)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140069&oldid=105866 * DifferentDance8 * (+32) another orphan turned dead-end
05:59:42 <esolangs> [[Protogen/Better python interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140070&oldid=140059 * DifferentDance8 * (+30)
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06:23:18 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140071 * Yayimhere * (+321) Created page with "'''6 bytes of useless element''' is a esolang by [[User:Yayimhere]] inspired by [[3 bytes :v)]] == how it works == take the program delete the first char and output the program and then a <code>f</code> == examples == [[Quine]]: ff [[hello, world!]]
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06:33:39 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798/tommyaweosme english]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140072 * Unname4798 * (+1425) Created page with "{{WIP}} tommyaweosme english is a page created by mihai popa and tommyaweosme. here is a table with all differences between normal english and tommyaweosme one's == Key Contributors == # Mihai Popa&Tommyaweosme: Created this topic #
06:33:51 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798/tommyaweosme english]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140073&oldid=140072 * Unname4798 * (+180)
06:35:24 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798/tommyaweosme english]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140074&oldid=140073 * Unname4798 * (+0)
06:37:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/archives]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140075&oldid=140045 * Unname4798 * (-26)
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07:41:13 <wWwwW> the underlaod two command thing *kinda* cheats since it uses : and () but just not directly
07:41:22 <wWwwW> but they are still intepreted by ^
08:00:58 <esolangs> [[!!SuperPrime]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140076&oldid=109170 * PkmnQ * (+49) un-dead end and make implementations more clear
08:01:06 <esolangs> [[(PTM)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140077&oldid=75821 * PkmnQ * (+8) un-dead end
08:03:15 <esolangs> [[Tarflex]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140078&oldid=80134 * Yayimhere * (+9) /* Quine */ is a cheating one
08:04:01 <esolangs> [[!!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140079&oldid=128517 * PkmnQ * (+18) un-dead end
08:09:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140080 * Yayimhere * (+108) Created page with "WHAT IS IT??? [:~~~~:]"
08:09:18 <esolangs> [[3 bits, unshackled]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140081&oldid=132849 * PkmnQ * (+78) un-dead end
08:26:04 <esolangs> [[Spaced]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140082 * PkmnQ * (+548) Got reminded of the existence of this
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08:58:01 <wWwwW> i have something to aks., cant any lambda expression be desrcibed with nested empty lambdas and identity functions?
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09:12:18 <tromp> any duplicating term like \x. x x cannot be described like that
09:12:54 <wWwwW> if you could change names
09:13:00 <wWwwW> and the identity function
09:13:03 <wWwwW> could gave a input
09:13:07 <wWwwW> then you could make it
09:13:51 <wWwwW> \x. ((\x. x) x) ((\x. x) x)
09:14:36 <tromp> that's clearly more than empty lmabdas (const) and identities
09:15:24 <tromp> combinator base K, I is very incomplete
09:15:35 <tromp> can only make projection functions
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12:39:23 <esolangs> [[TDML]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140102&oldid=140090 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-77) /* Computational class */
12:40:17 <esolangs> [[3 bits, unshackled]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140103&oldid=140081 * Tommyaweosme * (+9) i dont see the point since only userpages link here but ok i guess you can do this for all those people playing esolanglinks (not wikilinks thats made by the evilest people on earht)
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12:50:37 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140108&oldid=140107 * Europe2048 * (-13) oops, forgot to read the header
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13:34:24 <wWwwW> Feedback?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Functioning_Mods
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14:50:04 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/Mihai Again2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140125 * MihaiEso * (+935) Created page with "I made [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again6|this]] WTF? ~~~~ 1. Put the already low quality program <pre> no good [69] Disable log _out Disable logout Disable saving to d_disk Disable Exiting no [69] OK </pre> 2. Translate it worse! <pre> ModernMT: English
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15:33:26 <wWwwW> hello ski. i like ur username
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15:36:39 <korvo> wWwwW: I'm not reading five other pages to understand how a language works if it's supposedly just a combinator basis. Please consider using a standard notation; I don't care which one.
15:37:18 <korvo> I also still don't understand your goals. But I can guess that you're learning and playing rather than heading towards a specific destination.
15:37:39 <korvo> If your concept isn't isomorphism-invariant, then it's probably ill-founded.
15:37:41 <wWwwW> it was based on like
15:37:46 <wWwwW> how i was confused on lazy k
15:37:51 <wWwwW> i though it could use
15:37:57 <wWwwW> SKI and Unlambda ect.
15:39:37 <Raoof> hello all I'm back and thank you for your previous responses. I wonder if anybody interested in finding a universal Diophantine equation with one unknown since if we have a UDE1: y=f(x) <-> ∃y[U(f,x,y)=0] then all TC languages have a total and TC subset
15:40:20 <wWwwW> hlw does Nope have a TC subset???
15:40:21 <ski> allo, wWwwW
15:45:28 <Raoof> korvo what do you think ? is there a UDE1 ?
15:45:36 <korvo> wWwwW: The top of this particular power ceiling is the untyped lambda calculus. There's nothing above that. SKI isn't above that. Unlambda isn't above it either. They're all isomorphic: it's possible to transform one into the other without losing or gaining any functionality.
15:46:17 <wWwwW> what message are you answering
15:46:53 <korvo> Raoof: Probably. But since a TC language without a total subset would have to be *very* strange and I can't imagine it offhand, I'm not sure what we would be showing.
15:47:23 <korvo> wWwwW: I'm replying to the idea that "SKI and Unlambda together" is a distinct thing from either SKI or Unlambda.
15:47:46 <wWwwW> yes but they can still be represnted in lambda calculus
15:48:30 <korvo> Ah, okay, I think I see the problem. The identity function is not I, nor is it (\x. x). Those are *terms* in SKI and ULC respectively which *denote* the identity function.
15:48:54 <korvo> For every term in SKI which denotes a function, there is a ULC term which denotes it too, and vice versa. This is what I mean by isomorphism or equivalence.
15:49:18 <Raoof> korvo it also means there is a total and TC language, so we don't need to worry about the halting problem
15:49:47 <korvo> (*The* identity function is an end in the term category. It usually doesn't show up as a distinct term. Languages like Cammy which have explicit ends are unusual in this way.)
15:50:14 <korvo> Raoof: Oh, then it's obviously bogus, as TC languages must be able to host non-total programs via emulation.
15:50:36 <wWwwW> in this context a term is
15:50:52 <korvo> "Term" is a shorter word than "expression" which doesn't overlap with the verb "to express", that's all. You'll see both words show up in logic.
15:51:04 <korvo> I, SKK, SII, etc. are terms of SKI.
15:56:40 <wWwwW> so it wont work. right?
15:58:42 <korvo> I don't know how to restate what I said initially: you combined five different languages without defining them in a single common notation. If you handed me a program in Functioning Mods, I wouldn't know what function it denotes.
15:59:10 <wWwwW> then i will define them all below the commands
15:59:17 <wWwwW> in lambda calculus
16:00:04 <Raoof> korvo why do you want to emulate a non-total program ?
16:00:35 <korvo> Raoof: Personally? I'm interested in the hardest problems in mathematics. But in general, a TC system ought to be able to host universal emulators of other TC systems, and those don't necessarily halt.
16:01:01 <wWwwW> actually what is ` in lambda calculus
16:01:23 <korvo> Parentheses, usually.
16:01:37 <ski> lambda calculus has application
16:01:46 <wWwwW> so its applicaiton?
16:02:04 <korvo> To get a working c, you must transform your program to continuation-passing style (CPS). "The continuation" is merely another function when expressed this way.
16:02:14 <ski> iirc Unlambda correctly, yes
16:02:46 <ski> `c' is `call-with-current-continuation', no ?
16:02:48 <HackEso> c'? No such file or directory
16:03:09 * ski glares at HackEso
16:03:25 <korvo> Yeah, c is call/cc.
16:03:41 <wWwwW> then ill delete it
16:04:15 <korvo> The real question is d. Unlambda uses d for ordering, like Haskell's seq. It's very important when *executing* programs on a computer, but largely irrelevant to whether we can *express* a function with a program.
16:04:34 <HackEso> delay'? No such file or directory
16:04:44 <wWwwW> so x`y applies x to y?
16:04:54 <korvo> Might have been "delay", maybe "deferred" which is an uncommon name for the promise monad.
16:05:14 <korvo> Isn't it `xy to apply x to y? I'm going from memory right now.
16:05:28 <ski> istr it's prefix, yes
16:05:29 <wWwwW> it would make *sense*
16:05:48 <ski> (or, polish notation, if you prefer)
16:06:29 <korvo> When you start to write parsers, you'll care.
16:07:02 <wWwwW> idc about if you call it polish or prefix
16:07:29 * ski polishes pegleg
16:08:59 <korvo> It's called "Polish" because otherwise most folks would have to look up how to spell Łukasiewicz like I just did.
16:09:40 <korvo> ("woo-KAH-seh-vitch", IIUC)
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16:16:06 <esolangs> [[Savage Operator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140139&oldid=140138 * Yayimhere * (-48) /* operators */
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16:21:53 <Raoof> korvo maybe I shouldn't have used TC, I meant that if we have a UDE1 then there is a language that can compute all total computable functions and by enforcing a convention we can eliminate the halting problem in all TC languages and also have a decision algorithm for Hilbert's 10th problem, I know it's proven undecidable but if there is UDE1 then
16:21:54 <Raoof> that contradict their theorem. maybe you see that as a proof that there is no UDE1 ?
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16:27:37 <wWwwW> it works now right korvo
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16:40:49 <korvo> Raoof: Yeah, if it's that tight, then I'd assume UDE1 doesn't exist.
16:41:29 <korvo> Basically anything that pushes against Lawvere's fixed-point theorem, which has Turing's Halting as a special case, is likely bogus.
16:42:34 <korvo> I've spent far too many words on this. https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/a/113701/48431 is a recent situation where I ripped apart a crank because they wouldn't shut up about Gödel.
16:42:56 <korvo> Raoof: I'm not saying you're a crank BTW. I'm just saying that there is a *lot* of evidence and proof here.
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16:45:15 <wWwwW> think its tc when you look at it?
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16:52:59 <korvo> It's clearly TC because it has S and K.
16:53:31 <wWwwW> theyre included for the
16:53:36 <korvo> It has S and K, therefore it has SII(SII), therefore not every term has a normal form.
16:54:05 <esolangs> [[Functioning Mods]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140148&oldid=140147 * Yayimhere * (+26) /* commands */
16:54:20 <Raoof> thank you for responses. bye for now
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16:55:38 <korvo> wWwwW: What's your current goal? To not be TC?
16:55:58 <wWwwW> learn cross esolang stuff
16:57:46 <wWwwW> how esolangs can interact with each other
16:58:46 <korvo> They don't, usually. Let L and K be languages, and let S be some semantics. S is what we actually want to study; like, S is a collection of functions. L and K are merely syntax for denoting functions in S.
16:59:21 <wWwwW> since they are defined in lambda calculus
16:59:54 <korvo> Then what we usually care about is *compiling* L to K or vice versa. Let L -> S be an interpretation of L in S; it's a way of assigning a function to each term of L. Then we want something L -> K, sending terms of L to terms of K, such that we induce another interpretation K -> S.
17:00:31 <korvo> Yes, you're working with the situation where L is SKI, K is ULC, and S is some sort of computable functions.
17:00:59 <korvo> What I'm trying to point out is that a transformation from one language to another doesn't imply that the languages somehow work together or fit together.
17:01:18 <wWwwW> but when they are made and evaluated with the exact same system
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17:02:34 <korvo> No, not even then. Let S be the standard amd64 semantics for hardware. There are several languages which compile to it in incompatible ways, say C, Python, Haskell, Prolog, and Scheme.
17:02:59 <wWwwW> but even the formatting is the same
17:03:16 <wWwwW> they have been written in the same system
17:03:24 <korvo> Or, more pedantically, let K be amd64 assembly language and let S be the hardware behavior. Then these languages build different setups in K; some of them have heaps, some have GCs, some have stacks, some have continuations.
17:04:28 <esolangs> [[User:TheCanon2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140150&oldid=138067 * TheCanon2 * (+40) Added Slide rule completeness
17:12:23 <korvo> Anyway, given all that, it's quite nice that ULC and SKI are isomorphic. It means that, often, we *don't care* whether a basis is fancy; we only care whether it has S and K, or Iota, or Jot, or Meredith's axiom, or BCKW, or etc.
17:22:03 <esolangs> [[Slide-rule completeness]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140151 * TheCanon2 * (+466) Created page with "A machine is '''slide rule-complete''' if said machine can perform any operation that can be simulated by a slide rule of arbitrary length with arbitrary markings. ==Slide rule machine== A slide rule machine is an automaton that operates by moving a sli
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17:40:17 <esolangs> [[Cree sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140153&oldid=140152 * Yayimhere * (+0) Changed redirect target from [[CREE]] to [[Cree]]
17:46:57 <esolangs> [[Functioning Mods]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140154&oldid=140149 * Yayimhere * (+0)
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17:47:55 <esolangs> [[Functioning Mods]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140156&oldid=140155 * Yayimhere * (+14) /* commands */
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17:59:23 <wWwwW> so...ummmmm...wat u guys think?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Turtle_just_want_to_dig
18:02:13 <esolangs> [[ACL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140157&oldid=65317 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Collatz sequence */
18:23:01 <esolangs> [[APL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140158&oldid=81413 * Yayimhere * (-4) its not the J they are thinking about. its not my J
18:24:08 <esolangs> [[Timeline of golfing languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140159&oldid=121092 * Yayimhere * (-3) /* 2015 */ also not their J its my J
18:24:55 <esolangs> [[Gs2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140160&oldid=69707 * Yayimhere * (-4) still not that J
18:32:02 <korvo> wWwwW: Have you considered that perhaps *your* language should be moved? J is plenty esoteric and I would expect the page [[J]] to have a stub for it, not for yours.
18:32:33 <wWwwW> maybe jiust to like
18:32:55 <korvo> It's not just you. [[E]] is another good example.
18:33:24 <korvo> Yes, it was shitty of earlier proglang designers to use single-letter names. No, we aren't going to ignore earlier proglangs, especially when they are as influential as E or J.
18:33:56 <wWwwW> but then why not move it to "J (Yayimhere)"
18:33:59 <korvo> Admittedly this is my perspective, and I only make approximately one new language every five years.
18:40:06 <korvo> wWwwW: How does Turtle just want to dig halt?
18:40:22 <wWwwW> going of bounds of the program
18:41:23 <korvo> Can they dig down forever?
18:42:11 <korvo> Okay. So halting has to be from the left and right bounds, not digging to a maximum depth?
18:42:25 <wWwwW> but the bug expands border
18:42:47 <wWwwW> going to rows or lines that no commands are on
18:44:21 <esolangs> [[Turtle just want to dig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140161&oldid=139758 * Yayimhere * (+36) /* how it works */
18:46:22 <esolangs> [[Turtle just want to dig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140162&oldid=140161 * Yayimhere * (+98) /* examples */
18:50:30 <b_jonas> korvo: yeah, except for C, I usually use the more qualified names, like jsoftware, digitalmars D, Vttoth's W
18:50:52 <b_jonas> C is special enough that I usually don't have to say K&R C or anything like that
18:57:10 <korvo> b_jonas: Yep, totally fair. Context matters for me, and editing [[APL]] or [[Timeline of golfing languages]] triggered my sense of relevance.
18:57:57 <korvo> Also, here's another opinion from Mr. Five Years: language names should be puns. And not just mild puns, but three-way puns which require knowledge of computing history and something else too.
18:58:20 <korvo> wWwwW: No worries. You're not in trouble, although I do hope that you learn something about history of APL from this.
18:58:36 <b_jonas> sure, there are other disambiguations, like the APL-like J
18:59:13 <wWwwW> i was about to say something
18:59:22 <wWwwW> korvo: i cant do puns:]
18:59:34 <korvo> Like, [[Cammy]] is a pun on "CAM-E", a flavor of E using the Categorial Abstract Machine; it's technically named after *Camellia* the tea tree, though. (A "T-tree", a typed tree.)
19:00:24 <korvo> wWwwW: Even in your native language? They don't have to be English puns; a fun example is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qalb_(programming_language)
19:01:06 <wWwwW> danish puns are weird tho...
19:01:12 <b_jonas> to be fair I am also bad at naming and have used very generic names for languages or other programs that I'm writing
19:01:13 <wWwwW> they get rlly weird
19:01:27 <wWwwW> i usually do random on wikidate until i find a cool name
19:01:35 <esolangs> [[Template:Wip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140163&oldid=106057 * Tommyaweosme * (+155)
19:01:50 <wWwwW> thats how i got A Question of Protocol
19:01:52 <esolangs> [[Befunge/Constants]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140164 * Tommyaweosme * (+555) incomplete wip
19:02:43 <korvo> Consider C's successors. They're all puns: D uses the alphabet, C++ uses C itself, C♯ uses a musical alphabet, Obj-C is a pun on "objective", E is a reaction to both C and D, etc.
19:03:11 <wWwwW> pun for Functioning Mods
19:03:27 <b_jonas> isn't E like a reaction to Erlang or something?
19:03:47 <korvo> Go, Dart, and Swift are all puns on going fast; Go kind of gave up trying, but Dart and Swift pun pub darts and birds respectively.
19:05:17 <korvo> E is mostly a reaction to Oak winning the Java competition. Elm is another alternative to Oak, having almost nothing in common with E other than being isolated and confined for totally different reasons.
19:05:46 <wWwwW> dis aint even a pun i feel like
19:05:57 <korvo> Like, the thesis which introduces E spends a lot of time explaining how Java can't safely load untrusted code, while E can do it easily.
19:06:08 <wWwwW> its a combinational of functionel, brug, and hell
19:06:44 <wWwwW> brug is use in danish
19:06:47 <wWwwW> and it uses functions
19:07:12 <korvo> Good pun, well done.
19:07:39 <esolangs> [[Functioning Mods]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140165&oldid=140156 * Yayimhere * (-1360) Blanked the page
19:08:16 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140166 * Yayimhere * (+1394) Created page with "'''Brugtiohell''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its a jumble of other esolangs put together for some reason == commands == these are the commands of Brugtiohell: ''x''10, notated as E''x'', and 1, from [[Jot]] , and , from [[FROSTWIRE-666]] `
19:08:23 <korvo> I'll never beat dash's name for our language, "Monte". (I guess I should stub it?) Monte is Python-flavored E, it's a mountain of a language, and it's homophone with {manti}, Lojban for "ant".
19:09:33 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140167&oldid=140166 * Yayimhere * (+86)
19:10:33 <wWwwW> BUT is also a joke ig
19:10:43 <wWwwW> BUT I DONT WANNA USE IT!!!!
19:12:52 <korvo> I'm going to create a couple pages and a category, I guess. I'm also considering moving [[E]] to something like [[E (eeEee)]] given its low number of incoming links.
19:13:13 <korvo> I could use [[E (joke)]] instead, but that's not nearly as funny of a URL.
19:13:40 <wWwwW> the esolang community is the least mean one iver ever been in
19:13:49 <JAA> [[E (disambiguation page)]] ? :-)
19:18:53 <wWwwW> how would you add information to this???: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki/pedia/.org
19:22:00 <JAA> The other day, I was thinking about making an esolang where programs are encoded as Git repos. Of course, I'm not the first to think of that: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Legit
19:22:31 <wWwwW> when you get an idea but its taken
19:23:00 <wWwwW> is APL's name a joke or pun
19:23:32 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140168&oldid=139691 * Tommyaweosme * (+93)
19:24:21 <korvo> JAA: In PLT and PLDI, there's really only one E. I'll admit that knowledge of E is limited; we consider it something of a shibboleth for awareness of actors, capabilities, etc.
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19:26:00 <korvo> JAA: Oh, also, [[Cammy/Hives]] isn't well-done, but it sketches how to encode Cammy programs as git objects.
19:26:04 <b_jonas> wWwwW: APL is an abbreviation of "A programming language", the title of an original article that proposed the precursor for it or something like that. It's *weird* because the late Ken Iverson was actually *good* at naming things, and used inventive original names for some APL constructs, but somehow he failed that one naming check.
19:26:54 <JAA> korvo: I saw that one, too, yeah.
19:27:58 <korvo> The main advantage of my encoding is that duplicate actions don't take up extra space. But there's some weaknesses, like git's lack of lists.
19:28:05 <b_jonas> and then went with that theme and named an APL variant J, so now we have to disambiguate it as APL-like J, or Jsoftware J, or Iverson's J, or IJS, and somehow even infected Arthur Whitney to create an APL-like language called K
19:34:29 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/brainfuck turing completeness proof]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140169 * Tommyaweosme * (+791) Created page with "naw jk this is every logic gate in brainfuck PUT SOME MORE IN THE <s>COMMENT SECTION BELOW, AND I'LL PICK MY FAVORITES ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF MORTY</s> ON THE TALK PAGE == some terms == a-z are inputs (, for 0/1) A-Z
19:44:05 <esolangs> [[Functioning Mods]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140170&oldid=140165 * Ractangle * (+1360) why do you want to remove the page tho
19:45:10 <esolangs> [[Monte]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140171 * Corbin * (+1701) Stub one of my projects. Ask me anything on the talk page; I'm basically the only person to write serious amounts of Monte.
19:46:44 <esolangs> [[Y/Y]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140172&oldid=139851 * Ractangle * (+33) /* Syntax */
19:49:16 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Corbin * moved [[E]] to [[E (eeEee)]]: Moving a joke to a funnier name in order to document the much-more-well-known language with the same name.
19:49:16 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Corbin * moved [[Talk:E]] to [[Talk:E (eeEee)]]: Moving a joke to a funnier name in order to document the much-more-well-known language with the same name.
19:50:38 <esolangs> [[E]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140177&oldid=103564 * Corbin * (+8) Inline a post-move redirect.
19:51:22 <esolangs> [[E++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140178&oldid=139704 * Corbin * (+8) Inline a post-move redirect.
20:11:16 <esolangs> [[E]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140179&oldid=140174 * Corbin * (+2041) Stub an important language.
20:17:42 <esolangs> [[E]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140180&oldid=140179 * Corbin * (+468) Explain how to run E-on-Java. And yes, I just tested this.
20:17:53 <esolangs> [[Borsch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140181&oldid=107546 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+8) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/107546|107546]] by [[Special:Contributions/Andriy|Andriy]] ([[User talk:Andriy|talk]])
20:19:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:E]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140182&oldid=140176 * Corbin * (+98) There used to be an incorrect redirect here.
20:20:03 <esolangs> [[E]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140183&oldid=140180 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+109) Distinguish confusion, add categories
20:20:54 <esolangs> [[E (eeEee)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140184&oldid=140173 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-33) Change to wikilink
20:21:39 <korvo> Big thanks to PSDW as always. They are so much quicker than me; I wonder what kinds of tooling they use.
20:24:17 <esolangs> [[Spaced]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140185&oldid=140087 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+54) Categories
20:28:08 <esolangs> [[Spacebar]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140186&oldid=140086 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+275) Header, interpreter, category
20:28:44 <esolangs> [[KeyVM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140187&oldid=77566 * Corbin * (-18) Bluelink E.
20:29:26 <esolangs> [[RarVM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140188&oldid=106403 * Corbin * (-18) Bluelink E.
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20:32:10 <esolangs> [[E]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140189&oldid=140183 * Corbin * (+181) Cite MarkM's thesis, as is tradition.
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20:38:49 <esolangs> [[Monte]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140190&oldid=140171 * Corbin * (+603) Explain how to run Typhon. Just tested this too.
20:47:12 <esolangs> [[2KWLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140191&oldid=139826 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+169) /* Files */ Clarifications
20:47:20 <ais523> b_jonas: the APL-like J is the only one I know of – what are the others?
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20:48:16 <esolangs> [[Monte]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140192&oldid=140190 * Corbin * (+650) Mint. Mint. Mint! Mint! MINT! MINT! MINT!
20:51:20 <b_jonas> ais523: other what? other languages named J? I don't think there's any notable one unless you look at esowiki which has lots of badly named languages, including https://esolangs.org/wiki/J
20:51:51 <ais523> actually I was reminded of the various computational models that are named after greek letters
20:51:55 <ais523> lambda calculus, pi calculus, etc.
20:52:03 <ais523> I think there are quite a lot of those, and don't know if there are any duplicates
20:52:03 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140193&oldid=140167 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+143) Categories
20:53:18 <esolangs> [[Functioning Mods]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140194&oldid=140170 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-1335) Apparent name change
20:53:59 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140195&oldid=139959 * Corbin * (+346) /* Abstract algebraic languages */ Not why I came over here, but hey, more evidence isn't bad.
20:54:00 <esolangs> [[JSFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140196&oldid=139253 * Ais523 * (+312) external resource the 5-character JSFuck derivative
20:54:36 <ais523> korvo: are you sure that BF isn't a concatenative language?
20:57:31 <ais523> thinking about it, in most languages, concatenation is either application or composition; but application isn't associative, so if it forms a monoid it's probably going to be composition
21:00:43 <esolangs> [[Constant]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140197&oldid=134800 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) See also
21:01:52 <esolangs> [[Befunge/Constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140198&oldid=140164 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+41) Stub, category
21:02:51 <b_jonas> that's why we name them after animals, there's more choices for animals than for letters in the alphabet, so we have alligator calculus and bird sociology
21:05:34 <esolangs> [[Befunge/Constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140199&oldid=140198 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+161) BefunRep
21:07:37 <korvo> ais523: I mean, yes, I'd say that the classic syntax is concatenative, but I'm also not going to push the point if folks don't see it that way.
21:08:38 <korvo> The "every language has composition, every language is concatenative" meme is fun but also a little reductive. Like, the composition from concatenating e.g. Python programs is very fancy and requires a trip up to native type theory: dependent types, category of presheaves, category of contexts, the whole nine yards.
21:09:08 <korvo> Composition in BF still requires forgetting where we started. Kind of like turning the tape into an affine space.
21:09:13 <ais523> right, as the languages get more complex you reach a point where it isn't clear whether the definitions apply or how, but I'm OK wth that
21:09:45 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140200&oldid=140071 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+177) Categories
21:09:53 <ais523> oh, I was viewing BF as composition of functions from (tape, pointer) pairs to (tape, pointer) pairs
21:10:22 <korvo> Fortunately native type theory is as hard as it gets. The authors of the paper were careful to make it work over any first-order rewritable syntax. But yeah, it's a trip. Two trips if you don't know topoi.
21:10:23 <ais523> although of course, you can remove the need to specify the pointer by keeping it in one place and moving the tape instead (sort-of like how Turing machines were initially envisaged)
21:11:41 <ais523> that reminds me, I found a really eso-interesting encoding of a list in functional languages: [a, b, c, d] is encoded as \f.((((f a) b) c) d)
21:12:13 <ais523> this is really elegant in some ways but really awkward in other ways – it feels like a good fit for Unlambda (in the sense of "this initially looks normal but you have to do really weird things to deal with it"
21:12:20 <korvo> Mm, yeah. That would work too. That's kind of like a comonadic approach, since the tape and pointers are like a context from which you could draw the next value (to test at the next bracket, I guess?)
21:13:03 <korvo> Ha, yeah! Those are fun examples of hyperfunctions. I *hate* these, but you can do stuff like eat an indefinite number of arguments.
21:14:08 <ais523> yes, doing that with an infinite list gets weird quickly
21:14:15 <ais523> doing it with a finite list is also weird, but in a different way
21:15:22 <korvo> Isn't that just the Church encoding for tuples when it's finite? Or maybe I'm missing something.
21:16:10 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140201&oldid=140195 * Corbin * (+1457) /* Capability-aware languages */ new section
21:16:10 <b_jonas> ais523: ouch. that's not a convenient encoding because it's hard to know where the list ends
21:16:56 <b_jonas> but yes, it's cursed in exactly the way that unlambda encourages
21:17:46 <ais523> b_jonas: I've done some experimentation into writing programs that use it – call/cc seems to help a lot
21:18:13 <ais523> the "it's hard to know where the list ends" isn't the most cursed thing about it, trying to deal with two different lists at once is harder
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21:21:36 <ais523> (assuming that you just deal with the heads of the list rather than iterating the whole thing every time)
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21:30:08 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140202&oldid=140201 * Corbin * (+589) /* Actor languages */ new section
21:34:01 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140203&oldid=140202 * Ais523 * (+384) /* Actor languages */ are there enough esolangs like that?
21:38:13 <korvo> ais523: Not meta, just trying to be efficient: Have you seen https://webperso.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/paradigmsDIAGRAMeng101.pdf before?
21:40:12 <korvo> Ah, okay. This thing's super-popular in PLT/PLDI circles, so I guess it's Lucky 10000. I am *very* flexible with how we categorize stuff; I suggested actors because it might fill the gaps WRT our current categories for computational models.
21:40:50 <ais523> fwiw I think there are many combinations not considered on that chart, e.g. languages which have state but don't have an equivalent of a function call/return
21:41:11 <korvo> Oh yeah, the chart suffers from the gentle tyrant.
21:41:16 <ais523> like the many languages where the only control flow is "implicit loop around program" + sometimes a conditional skip
21:41:44 <korvo> (https://lobste.rs/s/alzaim/thoughts_on_gentle_tyranny_call_return is a fun summary of the discourse around "tyranny of call/return")
21:42:09 <esolangs> [[Baz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140204&oldid=77943 * Ractangle * (+23)
21:42:33 <ais523> and of course But Is It Art? doesn't fit anywhere on the chart, but then it was meant to serve as a counterexample to a wide range of statements about programming languages, so that's not surprising
21:44:45 <korvo> Isn't that concurrent CSP?
21:45:12 <esolangs> [[Beefydie]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140205&oldid=133804 * Ractangle * (+10) /* Impossible Programs */
21:45:24 <ais523> korvo: it's missing many things required by arrows leading to it, though
21:45:34 <korvo> Like, I could imagine using a CHR language (Constraint Handling Rules, another Lucky 10000, lets you add CSP to imperative languages) to express But Is It Art?
21:45:37 <ais523> you could implement it in a constraint-solving language but not vicee versa
21:45:54 <korvo> Oh, that doesn't matter. The paradigms aren't monotone or heritable in that way.
21:46:10 <ais523> hmm, the chart seems to imply that they are
21:46:55 <korvo> Have you heard of absorb vs reify? The chart is expressing how intepreters could choose to absorb certain concepts. An interpreter could, of course, reify just about everything; but folks typically take shortcuts.
21:47:39 <ais523> I've heard of a lot of definitions along those lines, but haven't got a good understanding of which word represents which concept
21:48:02 <ais523> in particular, I think I've seen "reify" used lots of times with lots of different meanings, most of which are incorrect, but it has made it hard to work out what the correct meaning is
21:48:54 <ais523> but, e.g., BIIA? has no concept of unification, which seems fairly core to typical declarative logic languages
21:49:23 <korvo> In this context, absorbing just means that the interpreter doesn't implement some facet of the interpreted language. Instead, the interpreter's host language provides that facet. Common examples are call/return, exceptions, FFI.
21:49:57 <korvo> And reifying is what we normally get to do instead. Make a struct, make an enum, make some flags, make a state machine.
21:50:39 <ais523> is absorbing here related to metacircular evaluation? (although not the same, because it's not a self-interpreter)
21:50:45 <esolangs> [[Bfbf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140206&oldid=98866 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Implementations */
21:50:59 <b_jonas> yeah, it's like programming only with if blocks and numeric for blocks, you can't exit a loop early
21:51:10 <korvo> Yeah! Or at least it comes up a lot in that context. Because anything absorbed has to be implemented at the "bottom" rather than at some "layer" of the stack.
21:51:21 <b_jonas> that's why basic or fortran needs a while or a goto
21:51:45 <ais523> b_jonas: don't many basics let you exit a for loop early by assigning to the loop variable?
21:52:23 <ais523> now I am wondering whether Perl invented the redo; control structure or whether it has predecessors
21:53:18 <b_jonas> ais523: er, yeah, you can probably do that
21:55:08 <korvo> ais523: Okay, so my brain is not happy with me, but I think that BIIA? allows expressing concurrent CSP with the tricky caveat that tiles can appear *more than once* in the witness.
21:55:10 <ais523> now I am thinking about how weird C's for loops are
21:55:52 <ais523> korvo: well, tiles have to be able to appear more than once, there are finitely many tiles but the language is TC, so it has to get the infinite storage somehow
21:55:52 <korvo> The concurrency comes from the multiple possible widths for witnesses. The constraints are expressed vertically, giving a free temporal logic (whether you asked for it or not). Tiles have to be reusable for multiset semantics to work.
21:56:39 <b_jonas> ais523: of course it has predecessors! C has three of the four loop control words: goto, break, continue. perl renames break to last and continue to next and realizes that the fourth one is missing and names it redo so all four have four-letter keywords. ruby kind of ruins the four-letter theme by naming one "retry" instead of "goto", but has the innovation where all four work on a method call with a
21:56:46 <b_jonas> smalltalk-like block argument, such that inside the block, redo/next is a local jump to the beginning or end of that block, while retry/last jumps out of the method call.
21:57:15 <ais523> from my point of view, concurrency is something that acts at a different level from BIIA? – the language doesn't specify how the search is done
21:57:44 <korvo> ais523: Hm, maybe I don't grok yet. BIIA? is context-free in terms of decomposing the input into tiles, right? What's TC is the language accepted by an arbitrary BIIA? program. Or does the original input matter too?
21:57:48 <ais523> although I have noticed that for search-based declarative languages, breadth-first search and depth-first search give observably different results and both are useful in different contexts
21:58:20 <ais523> korvo: so the program is made up of the tiles, and the interpreter tries to assemble them into a rectangle, potentially using tiles more than once
21:58:39 <esolangs> [[Bitcoin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140207&oldid=139208 * Ractangle * (-6) /* Examples */
21:58:43 <ais523> this is a TC operation even if you don't have input and ouptut
21:59:03 <esolangs> [[Bitcoin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140208&oldid=140207 * Ractangle * (+54) /* Examples */
21:59:41 <b_jonas> also perl allows you to label all four control statements, which is much less error-prone than using a number for how many levels to break like dc or intercal do. sadly perl makes the mistake of making the labels dynamic local instead of lexical my, whereas ruby's retry/last is lexical but only works on one level, which is why I aim for the best combination in the esoteric python extension that I
21:59:47 <b_jonas> proposed, where you can break out from any depth with a lexically local loop label
22:00:06 <ais523> when you do have input and output, you can define an interpreter for a TC language in BIIA, but the TCness doesn't really come from the I/O, it's just being used to guide something that was TC anyway
22:00:37 <korvo> ais523: Okay, yeah. So I'd suggest that the concurrency required for concurrent CSP is here; in addition to a monotone database which all candidates satisfy, there's one thread for each possible candidate not yet falsified, and they aren't monotone.
22:01:12 <ais523> I observed many years ago that threading and backtracking are quite similar in nature – the primary difference is that backtracking has a defined evaluation order
22:01:17 <b_jonas> ais523: how would it work if TCness came from IO? do you just mean like a CPU where the run button is broken so you can only run programs by mashing on the single-step button?
22:01:39 <ais523> b_jonas: that's an interesting question, and I've seen plenty of degenerate examples but no interesting ones
22:01:45 <korvo> That monotonicity is driven by the input data. As input arrives, a good searcher will rule out anything which doesn't fit it. If a lot of data is coming in, a good searcher will spend most of its time tessellating with regard to that input data.
22:02:07 <ais523> there are quite a few language subsets that are able to operate on nontrivial data structures but not to create one in scratch, so they need to take one from the input to get started
22:03:04 <b_jonas> I guess you could also do it with finite control where there are buttons for each state of the finite state program, and each button only does anything if it corresponds to the next step to be executed, which isn't really interesting, though it can get annoying if it only works if it's the only button pressed
22:04:12 <ais523> there's also that Malbolge extension which has an unoutput operation that reads and removes its own output, in order to provide infinite storage, although I've probably forgotten the details because that sounds ilke a PDA rather than a TC language
22:04:13 <b_jonas> it would be even more annoying if there's a "DO" and a "PLEASE" button but the computer aborts if the ratio of your mashing speed between the two don't remain between bounds of 1/5 and 1/3
22:04:25 <b_jonas> (except for the first few presses where that's impossible)
22:04:30 <korvo> ais523: But I will grant you that I have no clue how to *encode* a given CSP problem onto BIIA? I think it only makes sense for a fairly weird family of problems. Because tiles have to physically connect their extents, it seems like the input data would need to be encoded to have a lot of temporal redundancy.
22:05:55 <korvo> Like, perhaps n letters of data need to be encoded into an n-by-n matrix in order to be recognized, and perhaps n needs to be rounded up to the nearest prime if you don't want aliasing.
22:06:04 <ais523> so I think the way you do it is to have most of the tiles blank, with only a few tiles at the top (or left) of the program storing the input
22:06:15 <b_jonas> oh, and then there's the languages that require printing a character as output after every step or every loop iteration, like it has a trace feature that you can't turn off, so you can only run programs if you have enough blank printing paper or paper tape
22:07:24 <ais523> something I came up with a while ago was a language where it mattered whether or not a function did the same thing in two different concepts, and the way that was determined was by checking to see if the function produced the same output (in the sense of stdio/logfile output, not in the sense of the return value)
22:07:47 <ais523> but the idea didn't fit into a full language the way I wanted it to
22:07:57 <ais523> *the same thing in two different contexts
22:10:44 <korvo> ais523: Anyway, lemme reveal my intuition. I used to room with a former world-leaderboard Tetris player. Tetris pieces come in "bags" for fairness: you're guaranteed to get one of a relatively small number of piece orderings, every time.
22:11:18 <korvo> So a big deal a few years ago was memorizing the "full clears" for two bags, three bags, etc. A full clear is when, at the end of a bag, the pieces all form a perfect rectangle and vanish.
22:12:13 <b_jonas> I guess there are languages that are TC but must fill some sort of memory space with time and can never erase memory: BIIA, that restricted brainfuck that can only change cells from 0 to 1, 3SP (if it's TC), the I/D machine, the idealized 19th century mathematician with paper and quill and ink and wastebasket
22:12:36 <ais523> was this before or after the "perfect Tetris algorithm" was discovered that would necessarily work for any piece sequence that was generated using the bag rules?
22:12:50 <ais523> (although, I think most world-record Tetris players don't use it)
22:12:54 <korvo> BIIA? therefore implements a delightfully natural question for Tetris players, particularly if your implementation prints witnesses and finds multiples.
22:13:50 <b_jonas> korvo: BIIA lets you arbitrarily repeat tiles in any proportion. Tetris doesn't.
22:14:05 <b_jonas> with Tetris you're forced to the proportion that the game gives you
22:14:15 <korvo> I think that you're thinking of the two-bag discoveries, in like 2021.
22:14:21 <ais523> b_jonas: those are only filling memory from a certain point of view, e.g. the I/D machine TCness proof effectively emulates two queues in memory, but one of them is a bit bucket and never read, and the other one can expand and shrink like a normal queue
22:14:30 <korvo> b_jonas: One sec, but that's an advantage.
22:14:36 <b_jonas> that's why in Tetris you can't survive on alternating S and Z pieces, but in BIIA you can by just filling 6 columns with S and 4 columns with Z
22:14:58 <ais523> b_jonas: although of course that doesn't actually get the corners of the rectangle right
22:15:33 <b_jonas> ais523: yes the goal there isn't full clear but not topping out if full lines are removed
22:15:46 <b_jonas> it's proven that you can't do that with alternating S and Z
22:16:02 <ais523> I thought the specific impossible pattern was a long series of S, followed by a long series of Z, alternating indefinitely
22:16:07 <ais523> rather than just one S followed by one Z
22:16:40 <ais523> there have to be enough to prevent you just putting the Ss in a stack and then putting the Zs in another stack
22:18:23 <b_jonas> no, I believe it's any series of S and Z at a 1:1 ratio. the only way to not leave holes is to put only S in some two-column fifths of the board and only Z in other two-column fifths of the board. if you change the pattern by placing an S or Z horizontally, or vertically but not aligned to the fifths, or change from S to Z, then you get a hole that you can't clear without leaving just as many holes.
22:19:20 <ais523> OK, because the board is 10 columns wide
22:19:21 <b_jonas> one S then one Z then one S then one Z repeating is already impossible
22:19:27 <b_jonas> yes, the board is 10 columns wide
22:19:42 <ais523> my OS came with a Tetris-like game, but the scoring is very different and it makes the game play very differently
22:19:47 <b_jonas> the height is at least 20 tall but the exact height doesn't matter, nor the rule of what exactly counts as topping off
22:20:36 <ais523> the board appears to be 20×10, and the pieces seem to be selected entirely at random (not with a bag system)
22:21:21 <b_jonas> yes, that's old style tetris like NES tetris. very different from modern tetris games, but both styles have an active community playing them
22:21:27 <ais523> but the scoring system gives a huge number of points when the bottom line is cleared, and the rest hardly matter by comparison – so to score a lot you need to repeatedly get singles at the bottom
22:21:50 <ais523> (especially because the speed of the pieces falling depend on how many lines you have cleared)
22:21:50 <b_jonas> wait, *singles* at the bottom specifically?
22:22:05 <b_jonas> so even a clean tetris at the bottom four rows doesn't count?
22:22:15 <ais523> if you clear the bottom 4, that doesn't score much more (maybe not any more) than clearing the bottom 1
22:22:22 <ais523> but it takes you 4 times closer to the point at which pieces fall faster
22:22:46 <b_jonas> that's innovative, I hadn't heard of that scoring system
22:23:42 <b_jonas> I knew there are different scoring systems, in particular there are ones that don't reward you at all for multiple lines, and ones that really push you to tetrises and multiples
22:24:06 <b_jonas> the latter is the most common
22:24:19 <b_jonas> but I knew the former also exists, they just want you to survive for long
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22:52:37 <korvo> b_jonas: Okay, sorry, there was food. There's multiple common board widths (and homebrew boards), so we want a search over all widths. We can constrain it by adding a dedicated horizontal sync character.
22:54:01 <korvo> I like the point about ragged boards and S and Z. We can generalize the search by adding e.g. a fill character that indicates where the board is already occupied, and a 1×1 fill tile.
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04:42:26 <korvo> wWwwW: In case you didn't read the backlogs, there was an answer to your question: APL isn't a pun, just an initialism for "A Programming Language".
04:42:57 <korvo> The author wanted to use it as a blackboard language, expressing common functions with a minimum of symbols.
04:43:00 <wWwwW> but i though that was a joke
04:43:21 <wWwwW> like how ungenereic it was
04:43:37 <korvo> Oh, sort of, yeah. It was definitely a reaction to the programming languages available at the time.
04:43:51 <wWwwW> the most generic name, the most ungeneric lang
04:44:17 <korvo> That's kind of how I feel about J, K, and Q (and their variants).
04:44:33 <wWwwW> im so not up to date on progrmmming
04:44:40 <wWwwW> i mostly know esolangs
04:45:01 <wWwwW> the ones iver heard of
04:45:23 <korvo> How many of https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ do you know?
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04:47:52 <wWwwW> python,c++,java,c,c#,javascript,VB(wheres VBA???),go,sql i think,fortran,pascal and in extension also object pascal
04:50:00 <wWwwW> matlab ig,php,rust,r(ive trid to use it),ruby,scratch,kotlin,cobol
04:50:10 <wWwwW> i just know they exist
04:52:00 <korvo> Okay, no worries. So here's what I'd suggest: look up each of them (say, on Wikipedia) and look at one fact about their history.
04:52:24 <wWwwW> from the list that i didnt know?
04:52:35 <korvo> Or that you do know!
04:53:05 <wWwwW> that a bank broke cuz nobody can code in cobol other than truttle1
04:53:09 <korvo> Interesting facts include: who designed it, where and when, what influenced them, what they're used for today.
04:53:28 <korvo> The stuff in {{infobox proglang}}, basically.
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04:54:02 <wWwwW> i love the constant messages from esolangs
04:54:04 <korvo> You can go deeper than that, too. Like, maybe there are specific libraries, platforms, etc. associated with them. MUMPS is a famous example.
04:54:06 <wWwwW> every now and then
04:54:44 <wWwwW> wikipedia is unsable as a danish person
04:55:03 <wWwwW> every word is so looooooooong
04:55:26 <korvo> Yeah. There's a Simple English WP, but it doesn't have many proglang articles.
04:56:34 <wWwwW> i could show you an a´rticle
04:56:47 <wWwwW> you would be suprise
04:57:16 <korvo> Oh, in Danish? I'm not surprised by long Germanic words. Honestly, I'm impressed.
04:57:36 <wWwwW> we have a mechanik
04:57:40 <wWwwW> called combined words
04:57:54 <wWwwW> can become even longer
04:58:07 <wWwwW> happens in translations
04:59:24 <korvo> Sure. I speak Lojban, which has such fun words as {xisyjbenunsla} "Christmas" and {vricykricrutrusi'o} "liberalism".
04:59:48 <wWwwW> mathematical division symbol (÷) is the same as saying old danish minus(÷)
05:00:00 <wWwwW> never heard of it tho
05:00:08 <korvo> Very rare that anything gets shorter or easier in that language. {cicricfoi} "jungle" is another fun one. Or {cirlrbri} "Brie (cheese)".
05:00:46 <wWwwW> also look what i found out:
05:00:46 <wWwwW> named after the book A Programming Language
05:00:54 <wWwwW> APL was named after a book
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05:01:54 <wWwwW> who is making a general use lang
05:03:44 <korvo> (Since folks will ask: "kheess-uh-zhbeh-NUUN-slah", "vree-shuh-kree-shruu-truu-SEE-hoh", "sheesh-REESH-foy", and "shee-urr-ull-urr-BREE" respectively.)
05:10:00 <wWwwW> somebody made a rlly funny joke
05:10:29 <wWwwW> in INTERCAL you need please every now and then instead of do
05:11:04 <korvo> Yeah, that's a real thing. If you don't say PLEASE often enough, the compiler can reject your program.
05:11:13 <wWwwW> i wish github (something i forgor) were written in intercal
05:11:24 <wWwwW> i didnt send the whole jok
05:12:07 <wWwwW> no heres the joke: in INTERCAL you need please every now and then instead of do. i wish git PR's where written in intercal
05:12:43 <Hooloovoo> I've done some INTERCAL. it's actually not that bad once you have a few basic routines written
05:16:15 <wWwwW> a perosn made a compiler: https://esolangs.org/wiki/RECT4n%3DGLE .why do ppl do dis. this is like my most confusing esolang
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05:39:33 <wWwwW> if im right 🌐 returns https://esolangs.org/wiki/E_q_u_a_t_i_o_n right?
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06:54:59 <wWwwW> are there any esolangs based on minecraft enchantments
07:08:08 <esolangs> [[TWFUNSETDCMFIU]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140246 * DifferentDance8 * (+3516) This is the basis of a potentially revolutionary language
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07:11:03 <DifferentDance8> This time, I made a WIP project even more ambitious than E q u a t i o n somehow
07:11:36 <DifferentDance8> _The_ first usability not set language to not require spending a bucket-load of money
07:12:22 <DifferentDance8> I currently did up to the base commands and their descriptions in interpreter A
07:13:01 <DifferentDance8> Should I increase the count from 35 to 61 by seperating uppercase from lowercase or would that be way too confusing?
07:15:15 <DifferentDance8> Ah, okay. After all, I have to strike a balance between "not a completely pointless language" and "O MA GAWD WHY SO MANY INTERPRETERS?!!?!"
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09:02:37 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck extended]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140254&oldid=132261 * Ractangle * (-116) /* Implementation */
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09:49:05 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/ Again]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140255 * PrySigneToFry * (+737) Created page with "<span style="font-family:Source Han Serif CN;">ORK: [[Translated ORK/Mihai Again!|]]</span> 1. Drag out the pile of rubble that has been completely destroyed <pre> Beomil Kirinosa, Beomil Kirinosa, Beomil Kirinosa, Click to link. Lawsuit and forever.
09:50:29 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140256&oldid=140245 * PrySigneToFry * (+102)
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10:03:22 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140258&oldid=140242 * PrySigneToFry * (+654)
10:05:24 <esolangs> [[Talk:Dongbei]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140259&oldid=139934 * PrySigneToFry * (+20)
10:11:44 <esolangs> [[;;;]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140260&oldid=134905 * Gggfr * (+18) /* syntax */
10:12:52 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/?++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140261&oldid=139910 * Ractangle * (-90)
10:13:05 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Ractangle/?++]] to [[User:Ractangle/Hum]]
10:30:21 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140264&oldid=140262 * Ractangle * (+1026)
10:30:32 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140265&oldid=140264 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Interpriter */
10:32:21 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140266&oldid=140265 * Ractangle * (+77)
10:32:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Ractangle/Hum]] to [[Hum]]
10:33:26 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140269&oldid=139856 * Ractangle * (+10) /* Esolangs */
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10:39:34 <esolangs> [[User talk:XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140271&oldid=136290 * Ractangle * (+105)
10:41:34 <esolangs> [[U (PrySigneToFry)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140272&oldid=139814 * Ractangle * (-1)
10:48:16 <esolangs> [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140273&oldid=139729 * Ractangle * (+72)
10:48:33 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140274&oldid=140049 * Ractangle * (+11) /* 8ial */
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10:52:12 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140276&oldid=139567 * Ractangle * (+29) /* 8ial */
10:55:30 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/ Again (DifferentDance8s Entry Number One)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140277 * DifferentDance8 * (+600) Created page with "Translating ORK repeatedly has became more of a trend than other languages, so might as well. Step 1: Xo Chang x2:n it DiL _Lock on activation Words hide _menu General No Xo Chang x2:n it DiL _Lo
11:03:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuckconsole74]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140278&oldid=140052 * Ractangle * (+1895)
11:04:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuckconsole74]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140279&oldid=140278 * Ractangle * (+11)
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11:16:31 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140281&oldid=140237 * Ractangle * (+1) /* examples */
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11:19:18 <esolangs> [[Y/Y]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140282&oldid=140250 * Ractangle * (+14) Y is not syntaxed since it's not guessed yet
11:19:55 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140283&oldid=140275 * Ractangle * (+33)
11:20:12 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140284&oldid=140281 * DifferentDance8 * (+66) fix grammar
11:21:37 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140285&oldid=140284 * PkmnQ * (+5) slightly clearer?
11:22:34 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140286&oldid=140285 * Gggfr * (-1) /* How It Works */
11:23:13 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140287&oldid=140286 * Gggfr * (+2) /* Example Programs */
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11:34:28 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140289&oldid=140288 * Ractangle * (+402)
11:37:40 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140290&oldid=140289 * PkmnQ * (+0) /* Example Programs */ Checked with Element implementation, output is "fHello, World!"
11:43:30 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140291&oldid=140290 * DifferentDance8 * (+76)
11:45:09 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140292&oldid=140291 * PkmnQ * (+63) /* Interpreters */
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12:04:48 <esolangs> [[Cornflower (PCD)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140293&oldid=118246 * Ractangle * (+23)
12:05:18 <esolangs> [[User talk:Gilbert189]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140294&oldid=140232 * Gilbert189 * (+104)
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12:31:27 <esolangs> [[Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140295&oldid=140267 * Ractangle * (+143) /* Commands */
12:33:04 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140296&oldid=140292 * Gggfr * (-27)
12:34:14 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140297&oldid=140296 * Gggfr * (+27) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/140296|140296]] by [[Special:Contributions/Gggfr|Gggfr]] ([[User talk:Gggfr|talk]])
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13:19:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:Discordlang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140299 * DifferentDance8 * (+144) Created page with "It has been 3 years, what happened? ~~~~"
13:40:42 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140300&oldid=140057 * None1 * (+131) /* Example */
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14:03:57 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/None1 again4]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140302 * None1 * (+519) Created page with "[[Translated ORK/ Again R.I.P.]], ORK. 1. Take the rubbish <pre> Xo Chang x2:n it DiL _Lock on activation Words hide _menu General No Xo Chang x2:n it DiL _Lock on activation hide _menu No </pre> 2. Translate, I'll only do 2 translations: Baidu: Engli
14:04:08 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/None1 again4]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140303&oldid=140302 * None1 * (+0)
14:05:42 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/ Again]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140304&oldid=140255 * None1 * (+46)
14:05:54 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/ Again]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140305&oldid=140304 * None1 * (-46) Wrong place
14:06:13 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/None1 again4]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140306&oldid=140303 * None1 * (+45)
14:06:47 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140307&oldid=139964 * None1 * (-16) /* My Accounts */
14:07:42 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140308&oldid=140307 * None1 * (-16) /* My Implementations */
14:08:32 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/None1 again4]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140309&oldid=140306 * None1 * (+0)
14:09:14 <esolangs> [[Wsad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140310&oldid=124372 * None1 * (+10) Repl moved
14:09:50 <esolangs> [[2 Bits, 1 Byte]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140311&oldid=140112 * None1 * (+11) /* Interpreters */
14:10:26 <esolangs> [[3 Bits, 3 Bytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140312&oldid=140104 * None1 * (+22)
14:11:30 <esolangs> [[Brainbits]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140313&oldid=130781 * None1 * (+22) /* Interpreter */
14:11:36 <esolangs> [[Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140314&oldid=140295 * Ractangle * (+13) /* Interpriter */
14:11:59 <esolangs> [[Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140315&oldid=140314 * Ractangle * (+2) /* Interpriter */
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15:51:38 <esolangs> [[Bog prok]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140319 * Yayimhere * (+764) Created page with "{{Lowercase}} {{WIP}} '''bog prok''' or '''/bo prk/''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] based on a book cover == name == the name is a pun on the words book and programmeringssprog(danish for programming language). it is made by taking the first letter after
15:58:10 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140320&oldid=140298 * Ractangle * (+3) /* Interpreters */
15:59:08 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140321&oldid=140320 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Interpreters */
16:01:36 <esolangs> [[Why tho]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140322&oldid=138222 * Yayimhere * (-88) /* computational class */
16:04:32 <esolangs> [[Why tho]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140323&oldid=140322 * Yayimhere * (+57) /* see also */
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16:07:04 <esolangs> [[Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140324&oldid=140317 * Ractangle * (-57) /* Commands */
16:10:24 <esolangs> [[Why tho]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140325&oldid=140323 * Yayimhere * (+38) /* computational class */
16:11:34 <esolangs> [[Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140326&oldid=140324 * Ractangle * (+347) /* Interpriter */
16:11:50 <esolangs> [[Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140327&oldid=140326 * Ractangle * (-14) /* Interpriter */
16:14:25 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140328&oldid=140321 * Ractangle * (+105) /* Interpreters */
16:17:30 <wWwwW> wow why so many ppl working on interpreters for 6 bytes of useless element
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16:22:19 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140329&oldid=140328 * Ractangle * (-1) tested every interpriter made and "f" is a quine itself
16:23:39 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140330&oldid=140329 * Yayimhere * (+69) /* Example Programs */
16:48:59 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140331&oldid=140330 * Ractangle * (+47) it's technicaly a string that starts with an f
16:51:21 <esolangs> [[Bog prok]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140332&oldid=140319 * Yayimhere * (+883) /* concept */
17:26:41 <esolangs> [[401]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140333&oldid=138964 * Yayimhere * (+1)
17:28:02 <wWwwW> feedback plz!:https://esolangs.org/wiki/Sorry_the_image_you_are_looking_for_is_copyrighted_lol
17:28:28 <wWwwW> dis one: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Jello
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17:35:58 <wWwwW> i camn up with something weird
17:36:15 <wWwwW> take lambda calculus
17:36:22 <wWwwW> a term or expression
17:36:27 <wWwwW> is in a logical statement
17:36:45 <wWwwW> now function application
17:37:26 <wWwwW> is applying specific axioms
17:38:03 <wWwwW> now the result is all the still true proofs
17:38:08 <wWwwW> since proofs proove axioms
17:38:18 <wWwwW> the results can be applied to other proofs
17:38:25 <wWwwW> lambda calculus!!!!
17:39:27 <korvo> Yes, "programs are proofs", one of the many parts of https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/computational+trilogy
17:39:42 <korvo> See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BHK_interpretation
17:39:52 <wWwwW> but like my idea is that'
17:40:02 <wWwwW> we can make non types lambda calculus into proof
17:42:24 <esolangs> [[Talk:BiTrax]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140334&oldid=96137 * Yayimhere * (+126)
17:45:32 <wWwwW> so how could K look maybe
17:45:40 <wWwwW> idk how to represent it
17:48:02 <wWwwW> idk how to show it
17:48:26 <wWwwW> also a function is just a list of theorems and axioms
17:49:51 <esolangs> [[Deadfish x]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140335&oldid=50598 * Ractangle * (+23)
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18:05:56 <shimon> Hi, I have a question. Are there any programming languages like SK-Calculus + Haskell's monadic IO? I made normalcalc, which is a language such as one. I think there are already languages with the same concept because of a simple idea. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Normalcalc
18:06:06 <shimon> Motivation: https://tromp.github.io/cl/lazy-k.html#:~:text=The%20fall%20from%20grace
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18:19:16 <korvo> wWwwW: So, the fundamental missing piece is that your proofs are only as typed as your programs. Untyped LC is too wild for useful proofs; look up SLTC, "simply-typed" LC.
18:19:46 <korvo> shimon: Sure, it looks like you're on the right path. You might also find this series interesting: https://crypto.stanford.edu/~blynn/compiler/
18:20:37 <wWwwW> im talking about non typed LC
18:20:58 <wWwwW> if types LC can be done in logic
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18:26:09 <b_jonas> shimon: for some reason I haven't seen such languages, even though it would make sense even in untyped lambda calculus.
18:32:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140336&oldid=140258 * MihaiEso * (+125) /* So where are you from( */
18:43:46 <shimon> korvo: thanks, I'll check it out
18:54:38 <shimon> b_jonas: thanks, that's surprising
18:58:00 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/ Again (DifferentDance8s Entry Number One)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140337&oldid=140277 * MihaiEso * (+42)
18:58:06 <b_jonas> shimon: you'll have to check https://esolangs.org/wiki/Iota and https://esolangs.org/wiki/Jot , maybe they're relevant, I don't quite remember
18:58:16 <b_jonas> and maybe whatever they link to
19:00:06 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/Mihai Again3]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140338 * MihaiEso * (+680) Created page with "Made [[Translated ORK/ Again (DifferentDance8s Entry Number One)]] crappier. 1. Take this crap <pre> without _ attractiveness Language can _Hide occupation advice without _ Language can _Hide advice </pre> 2. Crappy translators and languages: Bai
19:00:34 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140339&oldid=140256 * MihaiEso * (+208) /* Horribly translated variants */
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19:21:21 <shimon> b_jonas: it seems like Iota and Jot have no IO, but Zot's IO is interesting
19:22:36 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140340&oldid=139653 * Ractangle * (+68) /* Syntax */
19:22:52 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140341&oldid=140340 * Ractangle * (+7) /* Hello, world! */
19:23:04 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140342&oldid=140341 * Ractangle * (+6) /* Truth-machine */
19:23:42 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140343&oldid=140342 * Ractangle * (+30) /* Syntax */
19:24:12 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140344&oldid=140343 * Ractangle * (-1) /* Truth-machine */
19:33:40 <shimon> does anyone else have any information on this?
19:33:41 <shimon> does normalcalc have any novelty?
19:40:42 <b_jonas> shimon: interesting, that's very different from how I imagined this could be done. I feel like in an esolang you shouldn't need a specific >>= builtin to do Haskell-like IO. you can get rid of the >>= by making every IO action come with its built-in >>=, that way there's also less of a chance of type errors. make the runtime call your main function by passing the possible IO actions to it as arguments,
19:40:48 <b_jonas> like output 0 bit, output 1 bit, input, exit etc. the main function written by the user has to call one of those functions, and pass a continuation argument that tells what to do after that IO action has executed.
19:41:20 <b_jonas> but I may be overlooking something because none of the many languages based on untyped lambda calculus or combinator calculus does this.
19:42:11 <korvo> Doesn't BLC have continuation-based IO? Or maybe that was an extension.
19:45:53 <int-e> I'm only awayre of BLC using [Bit] -> [Bit] or [Byte] -> [Byte] where Byte = [Bit] (but of fixed length) which gives you some IO because it's lazy.
19:47:08 <int-e> Continuations are a natural way to order operations though, which is helpful when you want IO. That works in Unlambda too btw; `d` isn't really required (and honestly awkward to actually use for ordering operations)
19:47:47 <int-e> making it awkward to use was certainly on purpose of course :P
19:49:14 <b_jonas> there's probably a better way to set this up, because this still lets you try to call what should be an IO function, or execute an ordinary combinator
19:51:00 <int-e> One thing you could do is pass special built-ins that cannot be implemented in BLC as extra arguments.
19:51:24 <int-e> But it goes against minimality
19:54:06 <b_jonas> by the way the language passing the IO stuff as extra arguments to main works either way: either if you do pure functional Haskell IO where you must not call IO actions as functions but you have to return them from main, and the unlambda-like imperative way where those IO actions are impure functions that do IO when called
19:54:26 <b_jonas> I think the latter is done by some esolang on the wiki
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20:08:09 <esolangs> [[Geography table]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140345&oldid=139847 * Ractangle * (-125) Welp
20:23:03 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140346&oldid=140336 * Tommyaweosme * (+68) /* bring back the old sandbox war */
20:23:22 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140347&oldid=140346 * Tommyaweosme * (+205) /* bring back the old sandbox war */
20:32:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:90]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140348&oldid=136533 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+877)
20:32:47 <esolangs> [[Talk:90]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140349&oldid=140348 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-2)
20:35:23 <esolangs> [[Deadfish with gotos and input]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140350&oldid=138191 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-38) /* Interpreter */
20:35:37 <esolangs> [[Deadfish with gotos and input]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140351&oldid=140350 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-1) /* Interpreter */
20:36:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:90]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140352&oldid=140349 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+2)
20:37:00 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140353 * Tommyaweosme * (+693) Created page with "rank 0-100 100 is best 0 is worst {| class="wikitable" |+ ranks |- ! rank !! usernames |- | 100 || [[user:tommyaweosme]] |- | 100 || [[user:pythonshellDebugwindow|user:pythonshelldebugwindow]] |- | 98 || [[user:mihaiEso|user:mihaieso]] |- | 95 ||
20:44:15 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140354&oldid=140353 * Tommyaweosme * (+54) added salpinx and timwi
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20:50:40 <esolangs> [[User talk:XKCD Random Number]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140356&oldid=140271 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-2) Unsigned
20:51:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:XKCD Random Number]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140357&oldid=140356 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) Fix time
20:51:52 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140358&oldid=140355 * Tommyaweosme * (+25) adding clive and lowering pythonshelldebugwindow's rank because of their edits to [[awib]]
20:52:10 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140359&oldid=140344 * Ractangle * (+36)
20:52:23 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140360&oldid=140359 * Ractangle * (+1)
20:55:27 <esolangs> [[Cornflower (PCD)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140361&oldid=140293 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+41) Categories
20:55:31 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140362&oldid=140358 * Tommyaweosme * (+27) tekturs userpage is all mislinks (linking to wikipedia instead of esolang)
20:57:08 <esolangs> [[Writeover]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140363&oldid=79788 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+5) /* Options */ Fix pipe
20:57:27 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140364&oldid=140362 * Tommyaweosme * (+26) pkmnQ has slight beef with ais523. step up here, buddy. you deserve it
21:01:41 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140365&oldid=140364 * Tommyaweosme * (+28) safalra forced wikipedia links onto a template... that no one uses
21:01:54 <esolangs> [[Bog prok]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140366&oldid=140332 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+42) Categories
21:04:00 <esolangs> [[Shakespeare]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140367&oldid=131477 * Tommyaweosme * (+16) /* Instructions */
21:05:25 <esolangs> [[Hum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140368&oldid=140327 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+103) Categories
21:08:42 <esolangs> [[Shakespeare]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140369&oldid=140367 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-17) /* Instructions */ Remove typo
21:22:33 <esolangs> [[Not Python]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140370&oldid=117321 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-98) Fix examples
21:24:34 <esolangs> [[Deadfish with gotos and input]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140371&oldid=140351 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+401) /* Interpreter */
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21:26:55 <esolangs> [[Deadfish with gotos and input]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140373&oldid=140372 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-9) /* Interpreter */
21:27:27 <esolangs> [[Deadfish with gotos and input]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140374&oldid=140373 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+1) /* Interpreter */
21:29:42 <esolangs> [[Deadfish with gotos and input]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140375&oldid=140374 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+1) /* Interpreter */
21:51:13 <esolangs> [[Beefydie]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140376&oldid=140205 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+1) /* Python */
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23:00:06 <esolangs> [[User:Gilbert189/Iternary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140377&oldid=138345 * Gilbert189 * (+80) /* Standard functions */ fixed example of copy
23:00:50 <esolangs> [[User:Gilbert189/Iternary]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140378&oldid=140377 * Gilbert189 * (+8) /* Standard functions */ format fix
23:05:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:Gift]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140379&oldid=140234 * None1 * (+244) /* This program will definitely output "coal" */
23:20:35 <zzo38> The fonts I had made (which are mostly from rearranging the codes of other fonts but I also made up the braille by myself) are now available with .pcf.gz format as well as the custom binary format, so may be used with X windows
23:21:36 <b_jonas> zzo38: are they at https://github.com/zzo38/scorpion/tree/trunk/gui/font ?
23:27:13 <zzo38> (The ".make" file mentions what other fonts they are originated from, and also contains the renumbering of codes and the definition of the braille characters, in case you like to see its working; however, this file is not needed merely for using the fonts.)
23:29:26 <zzo38> I hope that I had done the XLFD and other stuff correctly in the .pcf.gz files. (For the PC fonts, I used "-microsoft-cp437" as the character set name because another font with the same character set that I had found, uses this character set name.)
23:32:45 <zzo38> Do you know if it is correct or if there is something wrong with it?
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01:31:24 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140382&oldid=140381 * Tommyaweosme * (+0) hey bud your not evil :'( you got beef with ais523 and i fully suport you
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02:21:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140383&oldid=140093 * PkmnQ * (+6) /* Interesting minimalization */
03:29:40 <esolangs> [[Disassembly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140384&oldid=130580 * RainbowDash * (-1507) That was not really an eso lang POOF!
03:29:49 <esolangs> [[User:RainbowDash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140385&oldid=139936 * RainbowDash * (-19)
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03:42:04 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140386 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+2103) Created page with "Made by ~~~~ ==Cmds== <pre> Bomb the world using Russia + Make it Turing Complete - English || Spanish ! Infinite Loop Gain Omincience 2-Arity Addition 69 Print ` fString Exponents Cle
03:43:02 <esolangs> [[User:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140387&oldid=137863 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+17)
03:43:12 <esolangs> [[User:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140388&oldid=140387 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-4)
03:45:11 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140389&oldid=140386 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+56) /* Cmds */
03:46:21 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140390&oldid=140389 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+22) /* Cmds */
03:47:19 <esolangs> [[^/Interpreter]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140391 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+85) Created page with "[[]]: `for`$i$i?"
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07:50:14 <shimon> b_jonas, korvo, int-e: there are various approaches, aren't there? thanks!
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07:59:35 <shimon> so far, I haven't found any languages like SK-Calculus + Haskell's monadic IO
08:11:01 <shimon> well, basically, bind (>>=) + return (+ IO)
08:12:56 <korvo> k x y = x; s x y z = x z (y z) -- it's been a while
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10:00:57 <esolangs> [[ but with only plausible commands]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140393 * DifferentDance8 * (+2459) Created page with "{{WIP}} ''' but with only plausible commands''' is a derivative of [[]] but all the commands that can't be reasonably coded simply provides an error ==Commands== <pre> "This program is unable to bomb the world using only Russia" +
10:08:44 <esolangs> [[ but with only plausible commands]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140394&oldid=140393 * PkmnQ * (+87)
10:14:47 <esolangs> [[ but with only plausible commands]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140395&oldid=140394 * DifferentDance8 * (+86)
10:18:13 <fizzie> Rassum frazzum scrapers again, https://zem.fi/tmp/scrape.png
10:18:15 <fizzie> (Got an alert about persistent high CPU use from the server.)
10:19:08 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140396&oldid=133549 * PkmnQ * (-14) /* Examples */ Remove extra spacing
10:22:35 <fizzie> Sample URLs fetched over 5 minutes: https://0x0.st/XYAD.txt
10:22:43 <fizzie> I don't even know what that's all about.
10:27:29 <fizzie> Maybe some sort of SQL injection vulnerability in some piece of software that they're trying to scan for, applied to every possible URL.
10:29:13 <fizzie> The concat'd bit looks ASCII-like, and spells out ":oyu:BDvHwiuipk:phz:" but that doesn't say anything to me.
10:54:33 <int-e> it's probably just a random string that they scan for in the response?
10:55:21 <int-e> shouldn't there be a comma after the CONCAT() for this to work
10:56:06 <int-e> well, somewhat. the 1,... padding is an attempt to match the right number of colums.
10:56:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140397&oldid=140347 * None1 * (+314) /* So where are you from( */
11:07:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:Discordlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140398&oldid=140299 * None1 * (+287)
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11:23:00 <esolangs> [[Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140399&oldid=140368 * Ractangle * (+47)
11:23:44 <esolangs> [[Unary++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140400&oldid=140231 * None1 * (+1) /* Conclusion */
11:23:54 <esolangs> [[Unary++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140401&oldid=140400 * None1 * (+1) /* Conclusion */
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11:38:06 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140403&oldid=140402 * None1 * (-13) /* I have the same born year with you. */
11:50:00 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140404&oldid=137131 * None1 * (+108)
11:51:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140405&oldid=119299 * None1 * (+293) /* Add a cat program */
12:01:35 <esolangs> [[A Very BASIC Esolang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140406 * DifferentDance8 * (+1018) Created page with "A very BASIC esolang is an esolang made by [[User:DifferentDance8]] to push the "Pseudonatural" category to it's absolute limits. Unlike TWFUN, an earlier esolang made by the same person, the name of this esolang was ironic on purpose. (Looking back
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12:03:08 <esolangs> [[A Very BASIC Esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140407&oldid=140406 * DifferentDance8 * (+270)
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12:12:32 <esolangs> [[Fuckgoid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140408&oldid=123627 * None1 * (+59) /* Interpreter */
12:13:00 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again 9]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140409 * PrySigneToFry * (+1111) Created page with "ORK<span style="font-family:Source Han Serif CN;">srs5ynrdursrzdrybtyrnuf546rdbtdftbgse4vdrnudr5se4y</span> 1. Drag that big piece of sht out <pre> (laughs) _ Other hosts Minority allowable size available size Unmagic Cup: Over-restricted allo
12:14:20 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140410&oldid=140339 * PrySigneToFry * (+309)
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12:23:43 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again 9]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140411&oldid=140409 * PrySigneToFry * (+32)
12:24:07 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140412&oldid=140203 * None1 * (+391) /* Redirect Pages */
12:24:23 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140413&oldid=140412 * None1 * (+3) /* Redirect Pages */
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12:26:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[Path]] to [[Path (masalt)]]
12:26:35 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140416&oldid=140413 * None1 * (+292) /* Categories for type systems */
12:29:25 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140417&oldid=128747 * PrySigneToFry * (+164)
12:32:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:UserEdited]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140418 * Yayimhere * (+140) Created page with "im a little confused. can i add commands or?? [:~~~~:]"
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12:33:08 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140419 * None1 * (+339) Created page with "5. Is your category objective? Can every esolang be determined to belong or not belong to the category? --~~~~"
12:33:41 <esolangs> [[Path (Ractangle)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140420 * Ractangle * (+1305) Created page with "'''Path''' is an esolang created by [[User:Ractangle]] where multiple brackets are used as a part of a code ==Syntax== (...) pushes the length of the contents surrounded by curly brackets [...] comments <...> manages the program execution state {...} exec
12:33:58 <esolangs> [[1CP=1ICL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140421&oldid=128337 * Yayimhere * (+60) /* Language specifications */
12:34:14 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140422&oldid=140419 * None1 * (-3)
12:34:25 <esolangs> [[Path (masalt)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140423&oldid=140414 * Ractangle * (+17)
12:35:13 <esolangs> [[Path (Ractangle)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140424&oldid=140420 * Ractangle * (+45)
12:38:18 <esolangs> [[1CP=1ICL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140425&oldid=140421 * Yayimhere * (+27) /* Language specifications */
12:45:44 <esolangs> [[1CP=1ICL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140426&oldid=140425 * Yayimhere * (+134) /* Language specifications */
12:49:21 <esolangs> [[Path]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140427&oldid=140415 * DifferentDance8 * (+81) Removed redirect to [[Path (masalt)]]
12:50:11 <esolangs> [[Path]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140428&oldid=140427 * DifferentDance8 * (+11)
12:55:59 <fizzie> Most of it was from two separate IP addresses, so I just dropped all traffic from those and got it from 12 qps down to 3 qps. (Which is _still_ probably mostly not real users, but eh.)
12:59:12 <wWwwW> would it be possible to create something similair to javaf*ck in erlang or maybe ruby
13:11:48 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/None1 again5]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140429 * None1 * (+509) Created page with "Let's make ORK crazier by doing even more translations! ==Steps== 1. Take this rubbish ([[Translated_ORK/%E7%A3%90%E7%BE%B4%E7%A0%BC%E8%88%AB_Again%E6%8D%8C_(DifferentDance8s_Entry_Number_One)]]) without _ attractiveness Language can _Hide occupation a
13:12:09 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/None1 again5]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140430&oldid=140429 * None1 * (+10)
13:15:39 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140431&oldid=140422 * Ractangle * (+242)
13:15:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140432&oldid=140431 * Ractangle * (+4)
13:16:08 <wWwwW> what was it called
13:23:49 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140433&oldid=140269 * Ractangle * (+25) /* Esolangs */
13:29:30 <esolangs> [[Fortuludmium]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140434&oldid=132701 * Ractangle * (+9) /* Commands */
13:29:44 <wWwwW> jsf*ck but for erlang
13:29:50 <esolangs> [[Fortuludmium]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140435&oldid=140434 * Ractangle * (+18) /* Examples */
13:52:29 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang/Examples]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140436&oldid=140230 * PrySigneToFry * (+225)
13:56:47 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140437 * Yayimhere * (+1207) Created page with "{{Lowercase}} ''''''(pronounced weird lambda) is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] based on lambda calculus. its very weird == commands and semantics == fundamentally is just lambda calculus when it comes to evaluation but its still very different <br> <br> first of a
13:58:22 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140438&oldid=140437 * Yayimhere * (+53)
14:05:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140439&oldid=140021 * PrySigneToFry * (+811) /* My program */ new section
14:06:26 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140440&oldid=140438 * Yayimhere * (+27) /* >>= kinda */
14:09:37 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140441&oldid=140403 * PrySigneToFry * (+696)
14:13:34 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140442&oldid=140397 * PrySigneToFry * (+975) /* Make it even scarier !!!! */ new section
14:15:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:UserEdited]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140443&oldid=140418 * PkmnQ * (+139)
14:18:01 <esolangs> [[Talk:Gift]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140444&oldid=140379 * PrySigneToFry * (+63) /* Will this work? */ new section
14:24:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Child Script]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140445 * PrySigneToFry * (+904) /* My suggested Unicode expression(If Joe can understand the whole Unicode) */ new section
14:25:57 <esolangs> [[Bigfun]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140446 * Pro465 * (+2278) create page
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01:57:10 <hppavilion[1]> Thinking once again about a geometric assembly language. It's easy to think about computation in terms of arithmetic because that's been the dominant branch of math for the last few millennia.
01:57:14 <hppavilion[1]> And because that was what was easy to implement on silicon.
01:59:38 <hppavilion[1]> The main issue I'm having is thinking of memory without using numbers for addressing.
02:02:35 <korvo> Computation in univalent foundations (univalent type theory, cubical type theory, etc.) is geometric. I'd be interested in reading your notes.
02:03:29 <korvo> Also, for this channel, it's worth remembering that e.g. analogue water computers were a thing. Tide clocks, programmable looms, certain kinds of ciphers.
02:04:25 <korvo> hppavilion[1]: Have you seen simplices (simplicial complexes) or opetopes? These are structures where the path to a particular vertex/node is not a number, but another structure.
02:04:54 <korvo> I mean, there's lots of those, like operads, but simplices and opetopes have the fun property that the path-structures are the same type as the container-structures.
02:05:02 <hppavilion[1]> Wow this conversation immediately left my mathematical knowledge lmao
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02:10:56 <hppavilion[1]> True; I'm thinking euclidean geometry, where operations revolve mostly around points (and lines and circles but those are really just ways to make more points)
02:10:56 <korvo> Sorry! Ignore me for a moment. What are you working on? What's on your mind?
02:10:57 <hppavilion[1]> Assembly languages typically work by performing arithmetic operations on stored integers in a small collection of registers, like taking r1 and r2 and putting their sum in r3. I'm considering a language where registers hold points in a 2-dimensional space, and the operations are geometric operations on those points, like taking the midpoint of r1 and r2 and placing it in r3.
02:11:47 <korvo> Okay, yeah, makes sense. Are you thinking of what real hardware could implement, or is this more of a fantasy language?
02:12:32 <hppavilion[1]> Note that I'm not talking about something like a 64-bit register holding two floats designated (x, y); as far as the virtual machine is concerned it's just points, no coordinates (think Euclid, not Descartes)
02:14:02 <korvo> Ah, sure. One thought is about the nature of registers. A register doesn't really hold a value; instead, *all* of the registers are piped from one place to another alongside the ALU, and the ALU *ignores* the registers that aren't being used. (Aggressive oversimplification, sorry, trying to make a point.)
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02:14:37 <korvo> So maybe there's a similar geometric notion of distance betweeen points. Not for coordinates, but for being near enough to use in operations.
02:14:45 <hppavilion[1]> Go one level up and think of it as a mathematical model, not as physical implementation
02:15:14 <korvo> Like compass-and-straightedge construction?
02:15:47 <hppavilion[1]> Yes; an assembly language which performs compass-and-straightedge constructions rather than arithmetic constructions (so to speak)
02:17:35 <korvo> Mmm, good times. So, for that sort of construction, it might be worth knowing that we've historically made sense of that geometry by turning it into algebra.
02:18:42 <korvo> Well, Gauss, really. Coordinate-free manipulations of geometry which -- under some chosen metric -- can be evaluated arithmetically.
02:19:41 <korvo> I'm not saying that you have to do that, but I'm saying that you might find it hard to convince other people to not do it.
02:21:10 <hppavilion[1]> Hmmmm, I feel like I might know what you're talking about but not by name. I was last looking at Hilbert's axioms.
02:23:03 <hppavilion[1]> Is there a name for what you're talking about so I can review it?
02:23:24 <korvo> Gauss showed which regular polygons are constructible. Another classic example is the impossibility of trisecting angles. These proofs are fundamentally non-geometric, which is part of why trisector cranks still exist today.
02:29:23 <hppavilion[1]> Another thing crucial to this is that the I/O would be geometric as well. Picturing a higher-level (non-assembly) language for a moment, rather than printing text (sequence of integers interpreted as characters) one would draw curves on a canvas, and rather than taking text input one might take a point as input (like a spot that's clicked)
02:30:28 <hppavilion[1]> So you might want to check if a point is inside a circle. Except there's no notion of circles in the assembly, so what you'd be doing is checking if the input point is closer to the circle's center than some designated point on its circumference.
02:31:18 <hppavilion[1]> I don't know if I can avoid having something analogous to the flags register without it being contrived
02:33:20 <hppavilion[1]> Actually implementing an emulator for this on a real computer would probably require the points to be floating point pairs. That or complicated OO algebra bs but ew.
02:37:37 <korvo> I think that existing games built around this stuff, like Euclidea, use the lines-and-points axioms. (Are those Hilbert's or Tarski's? I don't remember.) To compare line lengths, they probably compare algebraic expressions generated from the first line on the board.
02:40:01 <hppavilion[1]> (though the congruence relation intuitively works with 2 line segments, it's strictly a relation on 4 points)
02:40:30 <hppavilion[1]> which incidentally makes Tarski probably the best place to start, since there's only one data type (points) rather than two (lines and points) or three (lines, points, and circles)
02:44:46 <korvo> Yeah, that makes sense. Also removes the temptation to generalize and go full Grassmannian.
02:47:18 <hppavilion[1]> I'm in an ARM assembly class rn so that's gonna influence what comes out in the end. I think the only concession I need to make to arithmetic will be the actual integrally-indexed assembly instructions (no computed jumps since that would require you to... compute a number)
02:51:41 <korvo> Very cool. Feel free to share what you come up with.
03:00:23 <esolangs> [[Bouncy Counters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140553&oldid=140490 * Ais523 * (+237) /* With two counters */ Turing-complete, but the I/O works a bit differently
03:23:02 <hppavilion[1]> It *would* be possible to just coerce all points to algebraic numbers represented in a canonical form... that would make comparing the equality of points feasible.
03:23:37 <hppavilion[1]> (whereas with points represented by floats two points that should be the same would likely happen to be different
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03:59:02 <esolangs> [[Turn Left]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140554 * Ais523 * (+6601) new language!
04:00:05 <esolangs> [[Bouncy Counters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140555&oldid=140553 * Ais523 * (+172) mention [[Turn Left]]
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04:01:00 <esolangs> [[Near-Turing machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140557&oldid=135724 * Ais523 * (+5) pipe year link
04:02:35 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140558&oldid=140241 * Ais523 * (+16) /* T */ +[[Turn Left]] I am assuming that spaces are ignored for alphabetisation purposes (as they seem to be lower down the list)
04:07:52 <esolangs> [[Near-Turing machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140559&oldid=140557 * Ais523 * (+3) /* One-sided near-Turing machine */ fix thinko
04:13:45 <esolangs> [[Analogia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140560&oldid=137691 * Ais523 * (-1) /* Computational class */ fix use of entirely the wrong word
04:17:25 <esolangs> [[High Rise]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140561&oldid=75851 * Ais523 * (+168) mention Spiral Rise more prominently
04:32:54 <esolangs> [[Esimpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140562&oldid=111173 * Ais523 * (+87) /* Commands */ thoughts on printable ASCII
04:47:36 <esolangs> [[Addition Automaton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140563&oldid=115405 * Ais523 * (+23) /* Small values of b */ clarify that this can use a flavour of Echo Tag that has already been proven TC, and the unknown-computational-class version is being used only as an example
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05:29:19 <esolangs> [[Mildfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140568&oldid=140540 * Yayimhere * (+23) /* Hello, World! */ give myself credit for hello world program
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05:34:08 <esolangs> [[Bog prok]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140571&oldid=140366 * Yayimhere * (+41) /* memory related */
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10:09:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140573&oldid=140572 * PkmnQ * (-3) /* Interesting subset */ I thought for sure that would work
10:29:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140574&oldid=140539 * None1 * (-60) /* Make it even scarier !!!! */ scarier is already comparative and doesn't need "more"
10:34:10 <esolangs> [[Mildfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140575&oldid=140569 * PkmnQ * (-72) /* Interpreter */
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12:29:48 <wWwwW> https://esolangs.org/wiki/6_bytes_of_useless_element can you make a interpreter
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14:05:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainflop]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140592 * Yayimhere * (+186) Created page with "is there a ''proof'' that this is TC?? [:~~~~:] (note: if not i will delete the category of TC'ness)"
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14:36:19 <esolangs> [[Untotal Array Changer]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140594 * Yayimhere * (+319) Created page with "'''Untotal Array Changer''' is a version of [[Array Changer]] with a single new command == new command == this new command is: (P) where P is a program treat <code>P</code> as a single command == infinite loop i think but its incomplete and a proof of co
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14:49:03 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140596&oldid=140548 * None1 * (+46) /* Tests */
15:04:29 <esolangs> [[Flow Uncontrolled]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140597&oldid=137197 * Qawtykit * (+3) fixed a mistake in the 99 bottles of beer program
15:05:40 <esolangs> [[Flow Uncontrolled]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140598&oldid=140597 * Qawtykit * (-3) oh wait there was actually no mistake
15:05:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:BeerLang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140599 * Yayimhere * (+169) Created page with "what do you mean ) makes it TC. ill delete that category that's not enough [:~~~~:]"
15:10:56 <esolangs> [[Flow Uncontrolled]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140600&oldid=140598 * Qawtykit * (-1)
15:14:31 <esolangs> [[6 bytes of useless element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140601&oldid=140565 * Corbin * (-343) /* Interpreters */ Give a working Python program; the existing program had a SyntaxError buried under all of those redundant list operations. Tested locally.
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18:48:37 <esolangs> [[Bigfun]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140604&oldid=140603 * Pro465 * (+314) /* Examples */ add program producing number much greater than graham's number
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20:32:22 <esolangs> [[2484345508]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140611&oldid=139485 * Tommyaweosme * (-12) /* hello world */
20:33:42 <esolangs> [[2484345508]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140612&oldid=140611 * Tommyaweosme * (-27) /* truth machine */
20:45:22 <esolangs> [[MSFE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140613&oldid=140595 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+68) Wrongtitle, link, categories
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23:32:04 <esolangs> [[Whenever]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140632&oldid=135556 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+346) /* Examples */
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01:42:32 <esolangs> [[Brainflop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140634&oldid=140602 * Ais523 * (+2326) TCness proof
01:44:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainflop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140635&oldid=140592 * Ais523 * (+424) I proved it TC, assuming I understand it correctly
02:43:34 <esolangs> [[To The Top Right Corner]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140636&oldid=105828 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+48) See also
02:45:09 <esolangs> [[+++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140637 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+873) Created page with "made by ~~~~ {| class="wikitable" |+ Caption text |- ! Command !! What it do? |- | <code>+[increment]</code> || accumulator += increment |- | ++ || accumulator++ |- | ! || print accumulator |- | ? || input accumulat
02:46:23 <esolangs> [[+++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140638&oldid=140637 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-39) /* + compiled into +++ */
02:47:17 <esolangs> [[+++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140639&oldid=140638 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+1150)
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02:49:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:BeerLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140641&oldid=140599 * Ais523 * (+1222) r to [[User:Yayimhere]]
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02:51:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:Your Minsky May Vary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140643&oldid=46051 * Ais523 * (+353) r to LegionMammal978 from approximately 9 years ago
02:54:58 <esolangs> [[Befunge/Constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140644&oldid=140199 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) Use standard template
02:57:37 <esolangs> [[+++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140645&oldid=140640 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+0) /* Interpreter */
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03:00:02 <esolangs> [[Template:Wip]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140647&oldid=140163 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-154) Use WIP instead
03:01:34 <esolangs> [[+++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140648&oldid=140646 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+5) /* Interpreter */
03:04:43 <esolangs> [[+++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140649&oldid=140648 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+60)
03:05:01 <esolangs> [[+++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140650&oldid=140649 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+3) /* Calculator */
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06:06:41 <esolangs> [[Colors]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140655 * DifferentDance8 * (+3819) NOTE: I thought TWFUN and E q u a t i o n were my most ambitious esolangs. Oh, how I was wrong...
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06:10:26 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.py" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140657 * Ractangle * (+459) Created page with "'''Filename "main.py" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly''' is an esolang
06:11:42 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.py" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140658&oldid=140657 * Ractangle * (+9)
06:12:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:Colors]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140659 * DifferentDance8 * (+401) Created page with "== This isn't really "unimplemented" == Technically, I have made a interpreter. However, it was extremely broken and I couldn't figure out what was wrong. When it wasn't saying "Cursor has gone out of bounds", it was doing nothing at all. It was in Python, wh
06:16:28 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.py" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140660&oldid=140658 * DifferentDance8 * (+542) hell yeah this is exactly the esolang i need after racking my brain in half with colors
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08:28:06 <esolangs> [[Interpret Esolangs Online]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140674&oldid=140673 * None1 * (+13) /* How to help */
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09:53:04 <esolangs> [[Deadfish()]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140675 * None1 * (+439) Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=Deadfish[]}} {{lang|n=Deadfish[]|a=User:None1|f=[[Deadfish]] but with while loops}} ==New commands== [''code'']: while the accumulator is nonzero, execute ''code'' ==Examples== ===[[Truth Machine]]=== o[o] This is a 0-input program, insert an <cod
09:53:47 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140676&oldid=140625 * None1 * (+45) /* D */
09:56:23 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140677&oldid=140308 * None1 * (+64) /* My Esolangs */
10:07:33 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140678&oldid=140670 * Ractangle * (-37) /* Syntax */
10:07:50 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140679&oldid=140678 * Ractangle * (+17) /* Syntax */
10:08:07 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140680&oldid=140679 * Ractangle * (+4) /* Hello, world! */
10:08:25 <esolangs> [[User:Iddi01]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140681 * Iddi01 * (+40) Since it's likely my biggest contribution to the community
10:08:49 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140682 * Iddi01 * (+965) The other list is cluttered too much
10:09:03 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140683&oldid=140680 * Ractangle * (-2) /* Hello, world! */
10:11:28 <esolangs> [[Lenum]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140684 * Iddi01 * (+7347) lenum is much harder than it looks
10:14:54 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140685&oldid=140683 * Ractangle * (-1) /* Hello, world! */
10:15:07 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140686&oldid=140685 * Ractangle * (+2) /* Hello, world! */
10:18:37 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140687&oldid=140686 * Ractangle * (+8)
10:19:08 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140688&oldid=140687 * Ractangle * (+22)
10:19:38 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140689&oldid=140688 * Ractangle * (-6)
10:21:25 <esolangs> [[Translated dongbei]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140690 * None1 * (+3227) Created page with "{{lang|a=User:None1}} It is [[dongbei]] but horribly [https://replit.com/@none-None1/Translate-20-times translated 20 times] by google ==Steps== 1. Original code: <pre> # lit. The class Figure, succession of Proletariat # in dongbei, Proletariat is logically t
10:21:56 <esolangs> [[Talk:Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140691&oldid=122173 * Iddi01 * (+283) /* Semi-serious language list */ new section
10:22:28 <esolangs> [[Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140692&oldid=140674 * None1 * (+31) /* Introduction */ Wizzcake and Wizzcake+ are added
10:22:33 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140693&oldid=140689 * Ractangle * (+65) /* Syntax */
10:22:42 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140694&oldid=140693 * Ractangle * (+5) /* Hello, world! */
10:23:03 <esolangs> [[Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140695&oldid=140692 * None1 * (-52) /* Introduction */
10:25:06 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140696&oldid=140677 * None1 * (+35) /* My Implementations */
10:28:11 <esolangs> [['Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140697&oldid=139416 * Ractangle * (+186) /* CATEGORIES */
10:28:28 <esolangs> [['Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140698&oldid=140697 * Ractangle * (+2) /* See also */
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10:39:36 <esolangs> [[Obscure]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140700 * DifferentDance8 * (+1249) NOTE: i got permission from i_eat_coffee in order to make this article (src: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/8152004/)
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10:47:07 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140703&oldid=140702 * Ractangle * (+33) /* Examples */
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10:54:32 <wib_jonas> fizzie: the channel logs website apparently has the usual problem
10:56:45 <fizzie> I should put an alert on it.
10:57:55 <fizzie> In fact, now that I think of it, I do already have a HTTP black-box probe on it, but it's pointed at the / path, which *used* to work, but after the Libera move it's now served by nginx (since it's a static page) and not the log-server, so it's stopped working.
10:58:27 <fizzie> It should have the courtesy of breaking when I'm not at work and could justify spending the time to debug it.
11:01:42 <esolangs> [[Lenum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140704&oldid=140699 * Iddi01 * (+105) /* Examples */ How did i forget the truth machine
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11:27:06 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140705&oldid=140682 * None1 * (+17) /* B */
11:27:17 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140706&oldid=140705 * None1 * (+16) /* F */
11:29:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140707&oldid=140691 * None1 * (+486) /* Semi-serious language list */
11:29:59 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140708&oldid=140706 * None1 * (-63) /* Remove this section when languages are added */
11:30:23 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140709&oldid=140708 * None1 * (+15) /* C */
11:31:19 <wib_jonas> hehe, that's a fun way to make a test false pass
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11:35:43 <wib_jonas> WHAT THE HECK? this code works if I pass a constant to this function but not if I pass a variable with the same value? what's wrong with referential transparentiality these days?
11:38:32 <int-e> (you didn't specify a language; could it be something silly like a type mismatch?)
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11:41:49 <wib_jonas> it's VBA, so it can be because the function takes that argument by reference, even though it doesn't make sense in context to change it. further, VBA has this stupid complication where you normally assign a variable using Let, except you assign an object to a variable with Set, and if you Let to a variable that already contains an object then it
11:41:50 <wib_jonas> doesn't assign but just call a magic method in that object, and I have no idea how the heck you're supposed to reset a variable to where it doesn't contain an object
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11:51:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainflop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140710&oldid=140635 * Yayimhere * (+123)
11:51:06 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/None1 again6]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140711 * None1 * (+537) Created page with "[[Translated ORK/Mihai Again4|This]] is not crazy enough, so let's be crazier! 1. Original code: <pre> ! The meaning of Japan and Japan humanity. ! Rubber, two, rig, fox cgi Limited only ! The meaning of Japan and Japan humanity. No secret! I want your
11:57:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140712&oldid=140610 * Unname4798 * (-3)
12:00:30 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140713&oldid=140712 * Unname4798 * (+173)
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12:12:13 <wib_jonas> ok, this seems reproducible, my workaround will be to write x - 0 instead of just x as the argument because passing x (a plain variable) doesn't work. ouch.
12:14:11 <wib_jonas> I can't just pass a constant because, you know, then I'd need string eval or something
12:15:10 <wWwwW> is it you b_jonas or wut??
12:15:39 <wib_jonas> f(11) works, f(10+1) works, x=10+0: f(x-0) works, x=10+0: f(x) fails
12:16:51 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140714&oldid=140233 * Yayimhere * (+3) /* commands */
12:16:52 <wib_jonas> I am b_jonas at my dayjob work office, the "wi" stands for "work", I changed from "wo" to "wi" to make fizzie's logs show the nick in the correct green color
12:17:23 <wWwwW> also how does the colors work???
12:19:32 <esolangs> [[PIX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140715&oldid=140061 * MihaiEso * (+242) /* With padding at top-left */ Added a example!
12:20:29 <esolangs> [[FROSTWIRE-666]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140716&oldid=140110 * Yayimhere * (+10) /* combinators */
12:20:59 <wib_jonas> the colors are computed from the nickname, look it up in https://github.com/fis/esolangs
12:22:52 <esolangs> [[FROSTWIRE-666]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140717&oldid=140716 * Yayimhere * (+32)
12:28:15 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/None1 again6]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140718&oldid=140711 * MihaiEso * (+204)
12:32:33 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140719&oldid=140714 * Yayimhere * (+518) /* commands */
12:32:42 <wWwwW> add new LOOOOOOOONG operator
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12:36:31 <wWwwW> i wonder if its TC
12:40:10 <esolangs> [[Translated SRL++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140720 * MihaiEso * (+2184) Created page with "[[SRL++]] but worse with Google Translate and weird language pairs! ~~~~ 1. Take this example <pre> # Set up initial state. We use the amount of Is in count to keep track of beer .* _ count IIIIIIIII I count count IIIIIIIIIII (I+) count count >\1< .* _ num 99
12:48:40 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140721&oldid=140458 * MihaiEso * (+194) /* Horribly translated variants */
12:49:12 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140722&oldid=140721 * MihaiEso * (+0) /* Horribly translated variants */
12:59:18 <esolangs> [[MSFE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140723&oldid=140613 * Cycwin * (-2314)
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13:12:25 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140724&oldid=140696 * None1 * (+79) /* My Esolangs */
13:40:00 <fizzie> Colors are computed by using this function https://github.com/fis/esolangs/blob/master/esologs/format.cc#L384-L389 to pick a number between 0 and 9 inclusive, which then corresponds to one of these 10 CSS classes https://github.com/fis/esolangs/blob/master/esologs/web/log.css#L86-L95
13:51:22 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140725&oldid=140719 * Yayimhere * (+4)
13:52:04 <wWwwW> what computational class do you expect this to have?:
13:52:04 <wWwwW> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brugtiohell
14:02:09 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140726&oldid=140725 * Yayimhere * (+94) /* commands */
14:15:32 <esolangs> [[;;;]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140727&oldid=140260 * Yayimhere * (+9)
14:33:15 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140728&oldid=140283 * Yayimhere * (+32) /* esolangs */
14:45:53 <esolangs> [[1CP=1ICL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140729&oldid=140653 * Yayimhere * (+2) /* Language specifications */
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16:22:52 <korvo> wWwwW: Why would the class have changed?
16:23:36 <korvo> Unrelated: I'm currently saying that the busy-beaver region with intepreters is the "universal regime", or that it shows "universality". I want to do something similar for metainterps. Suggestions?
16:23:57 <korvo> I initially wanted to go with "Futamura regime" but I'm not sure if that's appropriate.
16:48:39 <wWwwW> ...what do you mean?
16:49:48 <korvo> Metainterpreters and specializers are always more complex than interpreters. Futamura made this statement precise.
16:50:39 <korvo> Sorry, that's probably not helpful. There's a sharp difference between a program which *interprets* some input language, and a program which *specializes*, compiles, translates, or partially evaluates some input language *with respect to some second input*.
16:50:40 <int-e> . o O ( Futurama regime )
16:51:16 <wWwwW> but korvo we dont know thy class
16:51:36 <korvo> wWwwW: It's still got S and K.
16:51:57 <wWwwW> i even made a section saying not commands
16:52:06 <wWwwW> they are there to explain the other commands
16:53:50 <wWwwW> ^^^not commands^^^ to clarify this
16:54:53 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140731&oldid=140726 * Yayimhere * (+6) /* commands */
16:54:56 <int-e> wWwwW: your S is wrong, it's \f g x. f x (g x); you have f and g swapped.
16:55:18 <korvo> Doesn't matter. They're *constructible* from primitives. Welcome to Turing-completeness; we don't care about primitives, but emergent behaviors.
16:55:35 <int-e> anyway I don't know what the language you're trying to describe *is*.
16:56:04 <int-e> You have all those external references but no readable grammar for the language you intend to define.
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16:56:38 <int-e> (And after that there's still semantics to pin down.)
16:58:35 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140732&oldid=140731 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* commands */
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16:59:07 <korvo> wWwwW32: If a subset of your language is TC, then so is the whole language: just program in the TC subset and ignore the rest of the functionality.
16:59:25 <int-e> Anyway I don't like this trend... weird machines (that's a term of art, cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weird_machine ) have their place, but analysing them without a target gets tedious and boring very quickly.
16:59:33 <wWwwW32> yes. but wut is this subset??
17:00:00 <wWwwW32> how many times do i have to say. they are no commands
17:00:14 <wWwwW32> how do you get S and K with the built in commands
17:00:27 <korvo> I asked you and you gave them.
17:01:11 <korvo> I asked you whether S and K were constructible. You said that they were and added them to the wiki page.
17:01:24 <int-e> korvo: the second list just defines all the crap used in the first list in an attempt to specify the semantics
17:02:47 <int-e> korvo: I did not read most of what was written here, mind you. But I'm fairly sure that's the intent of that page.
17:03:22 <korvo> int-e: Ah, I see. I had it backwards.
17:04:04 <korvo> wWwwW32: If you're presenting a combinator calculus, *present it*. How would you feel if you read through the Python or Perl docs and found a section that says "oh, this works the same as in C"
17:04:34 <korvo> Those languages *do* that shit, and so Python and Perl hackers have to know C in order to know those languages. They have an excuse: they used libc in their reference implementations.
17:05:15 <int-e> (`) makes no sense to me either. Unlambda's ` is *syntax*, not an operator.
17:06:00 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140733&oldid=140732 * Yayimhere * (+40) /* commands */
17:06:14 <korvo> What you call "operator" is typically called "combinator". A combinator takes some parameters and returns an applicative tree of those parameters. If it doesn't do that, then it's *not a combinator*.
17:06:39 <korvo> The nice part of this (and what you're missing) is that therefore we can give a combinator calculus by giving the trees generated by each combinator.
17:06:56 <korvo> Like, in `K x y = x`, we're saying that we take two parameters and produce a tree whose root is x.
17:07:08 <int-e> `AB is notation for what would usually be written as (A B) (coupled with a convention for omitting parentheses)
17:07:10 <HackEso> AB? No such file or directory
17:07:40 <korvo> In `S x y z = ((xz)(yz))`, we're saying that we take three parameters and put them into a tree whose root is an application of two branches, each of which is also an application.
17:08:06 <korvo> The notation isn't super-important. The behavior of the combinator -- purely being a *combination* of its parameters -- is what's important.
17:09:34 <korvo> So, what's the tree for `ε x`? What you've given is that it builds a tree which applies ε to x. But ε isn't a parameter!
17:09:43 <int-e> wWwwW32: Anyway, the way forward is probably for somebody who cares about the language (you?) to actually implement a translation of it to lambda calculus or maybe combinatory logic. And then start enumerating small terms (programs) and reducing them to normal form to see whether some small normal forms arise. Ideally you'd find K and S that way.
17:10:23 <wWwwW32> yes im trying. i just want to know wut other ppl think._.
17:10:31 <int-e> wWwwW32: Trying to implement the language could also help you to actually specify it properly.
17:11:01 <wWwwW32> and idk how to evaluate lambda expression nomrally
17:12:51 <int-e> So start with SKI or BCWK combinatory logic (the advantage being that you need no substitutions or variables). So maybe learn that first! It's an easier target for sure.
17:13:11 <wWwwW32> ik about SKI and BCKW. yea ill try
17:14:11 <int-e> The thing about programming is... you can't learn it without getting your hands dirty. But you /can/ pick easy targets.
17:15:13 <wWwwW32> does there exist a function that works like I in normal LC but even thoughh its a normal function the input *somehow* comes from the left and not right
17:17:41 <ski> maybe you could learn Scheme, wWwwW32
17:18:03 <ski> it's a programming language
17:18:20 <wWwwW32> i cant learna. new programming lang. my brain cant do that
17:18:27 <ski> why do you think that ?
17:19:03 <wWwwW32> i cant concentrate. idk how the hell i even learned python
17:19:09 <int-e> ski: heh, did that wake you up?
17:19:20 <ski> well .. i was already awake, so ..
17:19:50 <ski> perhaps having a project to focus on would help, wWwwW32
17:20:24 <wWwwW32> thats prooving the comp class of brugtiohell
17:22:25 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140734&oldid=140733 * Yayimhere * (+1) /* commands */
17:22:44 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140735&oldid=140734 * Yayimhere * (+1) /* commands */
17:26:07 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140736&oldid=140735 * Yayimhere * (-54) /* commands */
17:33:59 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140737&oldid=140736 * Yayimhere * (-36) /* commands */
17:39:28 <korvo> wWwwW32: You don't need anything besides Python for this. Consider: k = lambda x: lambda y: x
17:40:03 <wWwwW32> lambda x : lambda y : x(y)
17:41:21 <int-e> IME it does work. It is fragile though, you really have to stick with the convention (turn *every* application A B into A(B). So A B C becomes A(B)(C), for example)
17:42:33 <esolangs> [[Brugtiohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140738&oldid=140737 * Yayimhere * (-3) /* commands */
17:43:53 <korvo> wWwwW32: Once you do this, you'll notice that you had `e = lambda x: e(x)`. This is circular in the way I mentioned before, and also in a new obvious way: it's eta-equivalent to itself.
17:44:12 <korvo> Like, `lambda x: e(x)` is just a longer (and less efficient) way to say `e`.
17:47:05 <korvo> Were you hoping for Hilbert's epsilon operator, perhaps?
17:47:16 <wWwwW32> Hilbert's epsilon operator?
17:51:09 <korvo> Never mind. I'm just trying to figure out what you're trying to build.
17:56:11 <korvo> Is there something else you're trying to do besides reach TC?
17:56:34 <wWwwW32> and see al the stuff ive learned
17:57:13 <korvo> Mm. So are you studying LC or studying combinators?
17:57:43 <korvo> It's worth remembering that LC is merely syntax. ULC happens to designate the same system as SK. STLC doesn't.
17:59:04 <int-e> . o O ( but do you know why? )
18:00:04 <korvo> Well, if you're studying ULC, then there's no point in Brugtiohell; ULC's three term constructors are universal already, and they're so simple that it's not really possible to do LC without them.'
18:00:25 <wWwwW32> im just intersted in what you can do
18:00:42 <korvo> Anything computable.
18:00:43 <wWwwW32> also esolangs keep me sane:)
18:00:57 <wWwwW32> but what ca you create with it
18:01:17 <wWwwW32> the point of brugtiohell was the see if you could combine different models
18:01:47 <korvo> It's still TC, so it's still designating computable things.
18:02:56 <korvo> Okay, let's introduce *oracles*. An oracle is like a subprogram or subprocess, except that you have no control over it. You may hear them described as "black boxes"; imagine a black tablecloth that covers the oracle.
18:03:37 <korvo> You can think of an oracle as a way to embed a separate model. You can either compute with your normal computer, or you can ask the oracle to handle it.
18:04:39 <korvo> I'm gonna do result first, then jargon. The important result is that, if you can already do anything computable, then an oracle for a computable language doesn't give you any new abilities.
18:06:40 <korvo> In terms of jargon, we say that the class of "recursive languages", called R to be confusing, is "self-low"; this just means that it can't make itself stronger by using itself as a source of oracles.
18:07:09 <korvo> This isn't an uncommon thing. P, the class of problems solvable in poly time, is also self-low, and in fact it was designed to have that property.
18:07:21 <wWwwW32> "called R to be confusing" made me laugh so hard lol
18:07:54 <korvo> Well, it *is* confusing. There's also RE and co-RE, which are closely related but both weaker. This confusion bites anybody who writes programs to search for math proofs.
18:08:54 <korvo> Anyway, sometimes you'll hear people talk of "Turing degrees" or "computability degrees". This is the idea that if you give a Turing machine a *really powerful oracle*, like an oracle that can solve Halting, then you *do* get a power increase.
18:09:02 <int-e> "weaker" in what sense?
18:09:17 <int-e> (IIUC, R = RE \cap co-RE)
18:10:16 <korvo> int-e: Ah, good point, my words are bad. I meant logically weaker, but it's actually a bigger class.
18:10:26 <esolangs> [[DAEANAAACP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140739&oldid=121634 * Yayimhere * (+5) need to show User part of link
18:10:49 <korvo> wWwwW32: So, returning to your current project: mixing two different TC systems isn't going to give you something beyond TC.
18:11:15 <korvo> Indeed, you'll sometimes hear folks talk about a "Church-Turing thesis", which is the (unprovable) assertion that we can't build physical computers which go beyond TC.
18:11:15 <wWwwW32> but what i did was a picked unknown class subsets and put them together
18:11:32 <int-e> korvo: I mostly asked for wWwwW32's benefit, not because I thought you were wrong
18:12:00 <korvo> Sure. Those subsets aren't going to go beyond TC, not as long as you started with TC as a ceiling. That's what Church-Turing is good for; it lets me assume that you didn't invent something magical.
18:12:11 <int-e> wWwwW32: yes, that is normal when you start diving into computability theory
18:12:35 <korvo> int-e: Yep, no worries. My words *are* bad; I think English WP is pretty good reading for computational complexity, and folks should go there for answers.
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18:12:46 <wWwwW> boy oh boy am i in for a ride then
18:14:02 <korvo> wWwwW: So, for example, let's consider a language defined with LC terms. There's either two possibilities: the language gives ULC and it's TC, or the language can be typed and it's weaker than TC. Those are the only two possibilities.
18:14:44 <korvo> Same deal with combinator calculi. They top out at TC in terms of expressive power, and the only open questions are about which bases are TC (or other complexity classes, e.g. with BCI)
18:15:40 <korvo> So when you ask "hey is this TC" and it's phrased in terms of LC or combinators, I'm going to assume it's either TC or weaker, and then look for the strongest stuff that can be constructed.
18:16:28 <korvo> Hopefully my responses earlier make a bit more sense now! I wasn't trying to be dismissive but to show you what parts of your writing were important to my analysis.
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18:20:18 <korvo> I'm a little jealous; it's never made sense to me. I just got used to it, as the saying goes.
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18:21:56 <int-e> korvo: this is a bit mean but I think your standard for understanding something may be higher than wWwwW's
18:23:25 <korvo> int-e: Oh, you can be mean, I don't mind. I have an *extremely* radical self-concept that, among other things, doesn't really understand anything. I don't know what understanding, knowledge, etc. are.
18:24:15 <int-e> I guess. I mean I agree in that it's not an absolute... it comes in various degrees and for most subjects, it's open-ended.
18:24:29 <int-e> "it" being "understanding"
18:25:49 <int-e> ("most subjects" - there are silly exceptions like playing tic-tac-toe where you can literally memorize all positions if you're so inclined. Not that you really have to to play optimally.)
18:26:03 <korvo> (I literally think I'm a p-zombie. Don't put too much stock in me.)
18:27:43 * int-e is reminded of the silly strategy in an underspecified tic-tac-toe where you wait for your opponent (let's say they're X) to threaten three in a row and then you complete that with an X of your own...
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18:29:10 <int-e> korvo: if so, who are you referring to by "I"... hmm.
18:29:30 <int-e> I guess the chinese room becomes relevant, and that's about as far as my philosophy goes.
18:30:11 <korvo> int-e: (This meatbag is using the standard English pronouns in order to be legible. Don't worry about it. We could always be more confusing.)
18:31:02 <int-e> Anyway, *I* can't relate to that experience. But I can't say that it's invalid, obviously.
18:31:42 <int-e> (I can't explain myself; I'm just taking me for granted.)
18:31:45 <korvo> No worries. It's still good times.
18:33:58 <int-e> Man there are so many concepts that get a whole new meaning in this context. "self-doubt" is a good one...
18:35:10 <HackEso> 917) <fungot> but when she saw him fnord and fnord. and then there's the fnord, as well as fnord reading sauce with fish, or fnord, that alice quite fnord for it hadn't spoken before.
18:36:05 <HackEso> alice//Alice doesn't want to go among mad people.
18:36:17 <int-e> hmmmmm that does not look correct
18:36:27 <int-e> `learn Alice doesn't want to go among mad people.
18:36:29 <HackEso> Relearned 'alice': Alice doesn't want to go among mad people.
18:36:34 <HackEso> alice//Alice doesn't want to go among mad people.
18:36:55 <int-e> Okay, the output of `w is not what I'd expect.
18:36:58 <HackEso> Alice doesn't want to go among mad people.
18:37:06 <int-e> Because I used the wrong command.
18:37:23 <int-e> Sorry for the noise.
18:42:21 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140740&oldid=140676 * Pro465 * (+13) /* B */ add Bigfun
18:50:31 <HackEso> The password of the month is BB(5) = 47176870
18:54:40 <int-e> `learn The password of the month is a matter of ongoing investigations
18:54:44 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is a matter of ongoing investigations
18:55:26 <int-e> (cutting it quite close)
18:56:47 <korvo> Has it really only been a month since BB(5)? Wow, what an action-packed summer.
19:06:28 <int-e> A bit over 3 months if you go by https://wiki.bbchallenge.org/w/index.php?title=BB(5)&action=history ...I don't know when we learned about it.
19:07:15 <int-e> (It's been almost 2 months since the 1st of August when that password was set; September is almost over.)
19:26:20 <korvo> Ah, that feels more likely.
19:26:58 <korvo> The BB Gauge is now feeling like a mature listing. I added meta.bf today and it was only a few lines of work even though I had to add an entire regime to the graph-generation tools.
19:27:38 <korvo> Maybe it's time to put it on front pages. Lobsters for sure. Maybe programming.dev.
19:47:38 <korvo> Oh, I should buy a domain first. It's currently just hanging out on GH Pages: https://mostawesomedude.github.io/bb-gauge/
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19:54:35 <ais523> IIRC a bigger board, and I can't remember whether the lines are also longer)
19:57:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140741&oldid=140707 * Ais523 * (+706) /* Semi-serious language list */ some thoughts
19:58:46 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Ractangle * uploaded "[[File:Snakel logo.png]]"
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20:04:26 <esolangs> [[Path (masalt)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140744&oldid=140671 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+20)
20:05:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140745&oldid=140416 * Ais523 * (+526) /* Tacit programming */ this seems underspecified at present
20:07:23 <esolangs> [[1CP=1ICL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140746&oldid=140729 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+3) /* Language specifications */ Fix table
20:10:37 <esolangs> [[Turn Left]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140747&oldid=140554 * Ais523 * (+14) /* Computational class */ clarify
20:11:11 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140748&oldid=140743 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+125) Formatting, categories
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20:12:31 <esolangs> [[Lenum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140750&oldid=140704 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) :
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20:21:26 <esolangs> [[Talk:Smalltalk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140752&oldid=140751 * Tommyaweosme * (+0)
20:37:21 <int-e> korvo: hmm, what is the Interp(BLC) entry?
20:40:41 <int-e> Oh, I can identify that one by comparing sizes, never mind.
20:49:12 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140753&oldid=140748 * Ractangle * (+0)
20:49:42 <int-e> korvo: It should be merged with the Interp(BLC2) entries though, shouldn't it... it's just taking a wildly different approach (presumably going for efficiency rather than size)
20:50:41 <korvo> int-e: See lambda.json in the source repo. URLs can be put into the sources if there are writeups, arxiv, etc.
20:51:21 <korvo> I don't mind merging them if they're really equivalent to users. Right now I'm finding it more useful to be picky about the inputs to interpreters and then to lump all interpreters together.
20:51:29 <int-e> (It's ait/uniK.lam in the AIT repo; AIUI it avoids capturing all the variables in a list; instead it goes for variadic functions.)
20:51:44 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140754&oldid=140753 * Ractangle * (+49)
20:52:28 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140755&oldid=140754 * Ractangle * (-15)
20:54:04 <int-e> korvo: looks identical in use to me, testing with the admittedly simple (cat id.blc; echo -n 0001) | ./blc run ait/uni.lam and the same with uniK.lam
20:54:13 <esolangs> [[Filename "main.sl" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140756&oldid=140755 * Ractangle * (+18)
20:54:38 <int-e> where id.blc is 0010, encoding \x.x
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20:56:02 <esolangs> [[Bake]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140759&oldid=140757 * Ractangle * (-266)
20:56:20 <esolangs> [[Bake]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140760&oldid=140759 * Ractangle * (-230)
20:56:39 <esolangs> [[Bake]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140761&oldid=140760 * Ractangle * (-3) /* Syntax */
20:56:54 <esolangs> [[Bake]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140762&oldid=140761 * Ractangle * (-2) /* Hello, world! */
20:57:11 <esolangs> [[Bake]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140763&oldid=140762 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Cat program */
20:57:24 <korvo> int-e: Okay, thanks. I'll update that shortly. Every entry should still appear in the tables at the end of the page, even though the diagrams summarize the best WRT size metrics.
20:57:35 <int-e> korvo: oh the issue is different actually. the 232 bit one is mislabeled as BLC2 but should be BLC
20:57:55 <esolangs> [[Bake]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140764&oldid=140763 * Ractangle * (+0)
20:58:22 <int-e> (BLC2 uses a different encoding for variable indices; I'm not sure that including it is really useful)
20:58:36 <int-e> (but that's not my choice obviously)
20:59:52 <int-e> (The same can, of course, also be said about the byte-based [8] variants.)
21:01:28 <korvo> It's okay if they're not practical; what matters is that they exist and somebody vouches for their correctness. I appreciate your help.
21:01:34 <esolangs> [[Brainmulti]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140765&oldid=127460 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+124) Rectified the Kiwiscript example and supplemented a truth-machine implementation.
21:02:54 <esolangs> [[Brainmulti]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140766&oldid=140765 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+214) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Brainmulti programming language on GitHub and supplemented two page category tags.
21:04:59 <esolangs> [[Brainmulti]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140767&oldid=140766 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+163) Supplemented further information to the preamble.
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21:38:59 <korvo> int-e: Okay, I pushed a fix and also added some debugging code so that you won't have to go JSON exploring next time. Thanks again.
21:41:16 <int-e> korvo: ah yes, having the file name right there is very useful
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21:53:49 <int-e> korvo: oh note that https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/4813/busy-brain-beaver uses wrapping cells. so they results do not immediately carry over to your page. In particular, -[-] would take, 512 steps, I think, in that golfing challenge.
21:54:46 <korvo> Yeah. The known values are from another page IIRC.
21:56:10 <int-e> The 10 up (10 up 28) at 41 characters should be fine since it only uses values 0..1. The 39 and 63 character ones are not.
21:59:38 <int-e> (I'm not vouching for the 41 character program, I'm going by its description, which contains the phrase "If I'm not mistaken" :-P)
22:01:12 <int-e> it looks fine; it replaced every [+ by [- and left all ]+ intact, and that covers all the increments except for those in the initialization
22:03:22 <int-e> (ironically I wasn't looking for mistakes... all I really wanted was to understand the entry for 5... and then things got out of hand :P)
22:04:24 <int-e> korvo: anyway, you seem to misremember, I'm afraid
22:09:13 <korvo> Oh, no worries. Happens all the time.
22:12:27 <korvo> ...Okay, I don't think I have *any* trustworthy list of BF beavers.
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22:42:28 <esolangs> [[Zephyr ASDL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140769&oldid=135475 * Corbin * (+74) Clean up a few links and fill out more of the infobox.
22:51:49 <esolangs> [[Python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140770&oldid=120434 * Corbin * (+252) Link to one of my favorite Python programs.
22:54:55 <int-e> korvo: Well the entry for 5 is fine (and an equality; you need a loop to exceed 5 and ++[-] is basically the only program that accomplishes that. +[>+] is an infinte loop...). And the one for 41 is likely fine too.
23:05:47 <esolangs> [[Category:1986]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140771 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+32) Created page with "Languages made in the year 1986."
23:06:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:Smalltalk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140772&oldid=140752 * None1 * (+300)
23:07:21 <korvo> int-e: Yeah. I was thinking about it and maybe I should write out a script that proves some of the small cases.
23:07:43 <korvo> I should probably also do it WRT number of cells touched, since that should be a BB property too.
23:08:06 <int-e> Does > touch 2 cells? I guess so.
23:08:32 <int-e> Anyway, yeah, that makes sense to me.
23:10:19 <esolangs> [[Category:1986]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140773&oldid=140771 * None1 * (-32) No, Category:Before 1993 already includes this, also undiscussed
23:10:46 <esolangs> [[Fractran]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140774&oldid=139540 * None1 * (+7)
23:15:09 <int-e> korvo: you can probably extract /some/ information from https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants (non-wrapping) but it's a different target of course
23:16:25 <korvo> Good point, thanks.
23:22:04 <korvo> int-e: Ah, I found Faase's table https://www.iwriteiam.nl/Ha_bf_numb.html This is where my ceiling of 48 comes from, I think.
23:27:01 <int-e> korvo: ah that does use the right model. note that for your purpose, you can drop the >[-<+>]< at the end.
23:27:37 <int-e> (All that does is move the number from position 1 to position 0.)
23:35:33 <int-e> Huh, why did he change the program that computs 4^4^4^1 into one that computes 3^3^3^2 instead of 4^4^4^2
23:37:09 <int-e> which would exceed 10^2585827972 at the same size.
23:38:35 <int-e> anyway, that's an interesting construction
23:39:59 <int-e> The program that computes 4^4^4^2 would be >+>+>+>++<[>[-<[->>++<<]>>[-<<++>>]<]<<]>[-<+>]<
23:40:56 <int-e> (replacing 3*1 by 2*2 in the inner loop)
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00:26:25 <esolangs> [[Talk:Smalltalk]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140775&oldid=140772 * Tommyaweosme * (+230)
00:29:06 <esolangs> [[Memorial language list]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140776 * Tommyaweosme * (+219) Created page with "This is a fourth list that lists memorial languages, i.e. ones that are memorial of 9/11, world war II, any major online war event, etc. == Non-Alphanumeric == [[bbtos|BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] == 0-9 == == A-Z =="
00:35:21 <esolangs> [[ bits, 0 Bytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140777&oldid=136843 * Tommyaweosme * (+100) /* Command */
00:35:40 <esolangs> [[ bits, 0 Bytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140778&oldid=140777 * Tommyaweosme * (+3) /* Commands */
00:38:40 <esolangs> [[Snakel]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140779 * DifferentDance8 * (+745) Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=[[File:Snakel_logo.png|20px|alt=Snakel]]}} {{stub}} :''This is an interpretation made by [[User:DifferentDance8]] and thus may or may not be accurate to the actual language'' [[File:Snakel_logo.png|20px|alt=Snakel]] is an esolang that would've
00:39:31 <esolangs> [[Snakel]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140780&oldid=140779 * DifferentDance8 * (+93)
00:41:18 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140781&oldid=140441 * DifferentDance8 * (+231) /* I was born 3 years before you! */ new section
00:59:13 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140782&oldid=130046 * Tommyaweosme * (+1117) biggest update in years
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00:59:59 <int-e> korvo: well this is fun. >+++++++[-[-[->>[+>]+<[<]<]+>+[>]]>+<<] takes over 3 ↑ 8135830269 steps.
01:00:00 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140784&oldid=139932 * Tommyaweosme * (+13)
01:01:48 <korvo> int-e: Oh wow. Congrats. This is exciting stuff indeed. Those [>] and [<] sleds are suggestive.
01:04:19 <int-e> (I had an inspiration for implementing a bastardized Ackermann function)
01:05:30 <int-e> heck it even works with byte-sized cells
01:05:43 <int-e> because the one number that grows really big is stored in unary
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01:14:18 <int-e> oh the +< can be replaced by just +
01:44:07 <esolangs> [[User:Int-e/BFBB]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140785 * Int-e * (+1693) analysis of a busy Brainfuck program
01:44:19 <int-e> korvo: for you: https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Int-e/BFBB
01:47:50 <korvo> int-e: I'm cackling with delight. Well done.
01:49:24 <esolangs> [[User:Int-e/BFBB]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140786&oldid=140785 * Int-e * (+0) fox typo
01:51:17 <esolangs> [[PIX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140787&oldid=140715 * MihaiEso * (+45)
01:58:20 <esolangs> [[User:Int-e/BFBB]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140788&oldid=140786 * Int-e * (+160) Oh this would be better.
02:05:47 <int-e> korvo: obviously I'm wondering whether I'm reinventing a wheel here. it's hard to search for such things
02:08:32 <esolangs> [[PIX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140789&oldid=140787 * MihaiEso * (+37)
02:10:24 <esolangs> [[User:Int-e/BFBB]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140790&oldid=140788 * Int-e * (+17) fix another typo-of-sorts
02:13:26 <korvo> It's new to me, at least.
02:38:51 <esolangs> [[User:Int-e/BFBB]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140791&oldid=140790 * Int-e * (+479) Actually analysing the modified version was surprisingly easy.
02:41:42 <int-e> korvo: Not sure if you see esolangs, I updated the page with a 37 character candidate (instead of 38) that has almost the same number of steps.
02:41:53 <int-e> I should sleep though.
02:43:18 <int-e> (I actually don't know whether that will result in more steps or fewer; probably fewer, but it'll be close anyway)
02:44:17 <esolangs> [[User:Int-e/BFBB]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140792&oldid=140791 * Int-e * (+2) no longer a TODO
02:44:57 <esolangs> [[User:Int-e/BFBB]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140793&oldid=140792 * Int-e * (-5) /* About */ ...grammar
02:49:56 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * MihaiEso * uploaded "[[File:PIX logo.png]]": [[PIX]]'s official logo. Created by [[User:MihaiEso|myself!]]
02:49:58 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Category:1986]]": unapproved category (and redundant to existing categories)
02:53:50 <korvo> int-e: Yeah, I see them. Have a good night.
02:55:36 <esolangs> [[1L]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140795&oldid=138806 * Ais523 * (+15) +[[Turn Left]]
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03:06:28 <esolangs> [[PIX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140796&oldid=140789 * MihaiEso * (+974) Added official logo, as PNG and PIX!
03:07:05 <esolangs> [[PIX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140797&oldid=140796 * MihaiEso * (+3) /* Minecraft official site favicon */
03:23:17 <esolangs> [[Lenum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140798&oldid=140750 * Iddi01 * (+6) /* Bf loop equivalent */ I'd meant "relay point"
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03:40:37 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140799&oldid=128490 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+968) /* commands */
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03:48:58 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140800&oldid=140709 * Iddi01 * (+141) Added some languages, still too few
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04:53:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:Macro]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140802 * Yayimhere * (+46) Created page with "can macros be nested. can i do: a -> (a -> b)"
05:18:37 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140803&oldid=140782 * MihaiEso * (+52) /* ^ENGLISH */
05:19:41 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140804&oldid=140803 * MihaiEso * (+48) /* JAVASCRIPT */
05:23:27 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140805&oldid=140804 * MihaiEso * (+12) /* HTML */
05:25:02 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140806&oldid=140805 * MihaiEso * (+110) /* BASIC */
05:28:17 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140807&oldid=140806 * MihaiEso * (-20) /* BASIC (MIHAI POPA) */
05:29:37 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140808&oldid=140807 * MihaiEso * (+87) /* EMOJILANG */
05:29:53 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140809&oldid=140808 * MihaiEso * (-13) /* BASIC (MIHAI POPA) */
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05:32:13 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/BRING BACK THE OLD SANDBOX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140811&oldid=140810 * MihaiEso * (+12) /* GAME OF LIFE */
05:33:06 <esolangs> [[Lenum]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140812&oldid=140798 * Iddi01 * (+307) /* Examples */ looping counter and f-seq
05:58:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140813&oldid=140741 * Iddi01 * (+403) /* Semi-serious language list */
06:05:01 <esolangs> [[Snakel]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140814&oldid=140780 * Ractangle * (+18)
06:05:40 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140815&oldid=140800 * Iddi01 * (+70) Change criteria according to suggestions
06:08:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[Snakel]] to [[Snakel (DifferentDance8)]]
06:11:49 <esolangs> [[Snakel (Ractangle)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140818 * Ractangle * (+125) Created page with "Snakel (or '''Python''' in our universe) is an esolang created by [[User: Ractangle]] in 2024 (or in 1989 by Remomple Tengle)"
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06:13:40 <esolangs> [[Snakel]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140820&oldid=140817 * Ractangle * (+85) Removed redirect to [[Snakel (DifferentDance8)]]
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06:15:50 <esolangs> [[Snakel (Ractangle)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140822&oldid=140819 * Ractangle * (+26)
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08:35:44 <esolangs> [[Malbolge Unshackled]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140827&oldid=128056 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+60) /* Computational class */
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10:34:57 <int-e> korvo: on https://mostawesomedude.github.io/bb-gauge/brainfuck.html you should probably clarify whether cells can become negative
10:36:58 <int-e> Oh actually it doesn't specify the range of values in a cell at all. I thought it said that it was unbounded but I misread yesterday; that was about the number of cells.
10:38:09 <int-e> And, from discussion with tromp just now, it's unclear what happens with a program like <+ ...is the program illegal, or does it halt on the first step? or maybe the < becomes a no-op... there are some wild possibilities here.
10:51:45 <tromp> wildest possibility: use opcodes , and . as well, providing access to binary input that follows the bf program following an unmatched ] separator
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11:21:22 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140831 * PrySigneToFry * (+4231) Created page with "''''(s y ...... ma?) is designed by PSTF. It is designed for use SC to express [[Sakana]]. == Commands == Unlike Deadfish, this Esolang has commands for handling input, and it uses a memory tape(I call the cell "x") and 4 accumulators(a, b, c, and d). {| class="wikita
11:22:31 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140832&oldid=140740 * PrySigneToFry * (+25)
11:26:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140833&oldid=140783 * PrySigneToFry * (+751) /* If you want, make this scarier. */ new section
11:31:05 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140834&oldid=140815 * None1 * (+14) /* B */ Befunge-93 will count in the modified rules
11:33:06 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140835&oldid=140834 * None1 * (+16) /* Non-alphabetic */
11:37:52 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140836&oldid=140835 * None1 * (+20) /* G */
11:39:20 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140837&oldid=140836 * None1 * (+26) /* T */
11:49:39 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140838&oldid=140832 * None1 * (+33) /* See also */
11:50:52 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140839&oldid=140837 * None1 * (+12) /* P */
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11:52:07 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140840&oldid=140839 * None1 * (+16) /* I */
11:56:26 <esolangs> [[Talk:Main Page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140841&oldid=139535 * None1 * (+384) /* Someone should change the featured language. */
11:56:36 <APic> Celebrate Bureflux! Hail Erïs!
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12:04:54 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140842&oldid=140831 * None1 * (-13) /* See also */
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12:14:02 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140843&oldid=140826 * None1 * (+46) /* commands */
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13:28:20 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again1]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140845 * PrySigneToFry * (+1528) Created page with "Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again 1 is designed by PSTF, and it is crazier version of [[Translated ZhongWen/MihaiEso]]. 1. Take this "program" <pre> > b __ > + > > rwy'n"d->a> 1kg ..."
13:28:51 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140846&oldid=139136 * PrySigneToFry * (+43)
13:31:05 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140847&oldid=140845 * MihaiEso * (+45)
13:47:12 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140848 * MihaiEso * (+2237) Created page with "Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again is designed by MihaiEso, and it is crazier version of [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again1]]. ~~~~ 1. Take this "program", which BTW looks bad. <pre> []79777yy8166666663 []7977 MaroFajro MMA KIO ..."
13:47:33 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140849&oldid=140848 * MihaiEso * (-87)
13:49:06 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140850&oldid=140722 * MihaiEso * (+83) /* Horribly translated variants */
13:57:34 <esolangs> [[+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140851 * None1 * (+3394) Created page with "'''+''' is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]], it is an extension to [[]]. ==Stack== In addition to the original accumulator in , + has a stack, popping from the stack returns 0. Both the stack and the accumulator store unbounded signed values. ==Commands== <pre> Command Me
13:58:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140852&oldid=133761 * None1 * (+273) /* I think this can add even more commands, not only , , , and . */
13:59:10 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140853&oldid=135252 * None1 * (+38) /* See also */
14:00:39 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140854&oldid=140838 * None1 * (+38) /* Non-alphabetic */
14:01:36 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140855&oldid=140724 * None1 * (+91) /* My Esolangs */
14:04:53 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/Mihai Again5]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140856 * MihaiEso * (+986) Created page with "[[Translated ORK/None1 again6|This]] is not crazy enough, so let's be crazier with more crappy translations! 1. Take this crappy, original text: <pre> ! The meaning of Japan and Japan humanity. ! Rubber, two, rig, fox cgi Limited only ! The meaning
14:07:21 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140857&oldid=140850 * MihaiEso * (+56) /* Horribly translated variants */
14:10:43 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/None1 again6]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140858&oldid=140718 * MihaiEso * (+66)
14:14:34 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * None1 * uploaded "[[File:Pkdck.png]]": [[+]] by [[User:None1]]
14:15:04 <esolangs> [[+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140860&oldid=140851 * None1 * (+62)
14:25:22 <esolangs> [[Subleq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140861&oldid=134240 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+97) Added wayback links
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14:34:39 <esolangs> [[Malbolge Unshackled]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140862&oldid=140827 * PkmnQ * (+29) /* Computational class */
14:36:15 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140863 * PrySigneToFry * (+1609) Created page with "[[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again|]] 1. Drag that big sh*t out <pre> 8166666663 [] Spirit ..."
14:36:39 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140864&oldid=140849 * PrySigneToFry * (+45)
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14:37:27 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140865&oldid=140857 * PrySigneToFry * (+43)
14:48:31 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140866&oldid=140864 * MihaiEso * (-4)
14:53:16 <esolangs> [[Malbolge Unshackled]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140867&oldid=140862 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0)
14:53:28 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140868&oldid=140863 * MihaiEso * (+46)
15:04:41 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again10]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140869 * PrySigneToFry * (+1032) Created page with "It's a big piece of sh1t that more shitty than [[Translated ORK/Mihai Again5]]. 1. Drag out the ruins that have passed through the apocalypse <pre> ! Issue # 1 is the last issue of this year's General Intentions. ! We couldn't save ourselves.
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16:38:58 <PCWWWWW> i got a pretty weird idea for an esolang
16:39:30 <PCWWWWW> and tries to make or recognie it has syntax and run it as a program
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17:13:19 <Sgeo> How many esolangs emit video? I'm pondering getting a MiSTer FPGA, and it would be cool to implement something in it. BytePusher would probably be the first, I've done a wasm vm for it, and it's graphical
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17:17:15 <b_jonas> Sgeo: https://esolangs.org/wiki/BMOW_1 has a custom graphics card
17:17:33 <b_jonas> with *two* different modes: bitmap and tile/character-based
17:17:46 <korvo> Like, *must* emit video? Cammy can be interpreted as producing animations, and I have a CPU emulator, but I haven't done a GPU version yet, let alone FPGA stuff.
17:18:06 <b_jonas> making a graphics card is impressive on its own, but making one with two modes really shows that BMOW wanted to go the distance
17:19:12 <korvo> Okay, BMOW-1 is rad. This has made my day. What an effort.
17:19:15 <Sgeo> I feel like emitting video is less likely to break my brain than emitting text. Although I'd probably just... borrow from the PDP-1 core or something
17:19:34 <b_jonas> and https://www.bigmessowires.com/cpu-in-a-cpld/ has some kind of display, but I'm not sure of the details
17:19:35 <Sgeo> I know little about electronics
17:20:07 <Sgeo> Like, a tutorial about Verilog mentioned pull-up resistors, and I... uh. I don't get it.
17:20:18 <Sgeo> pull-up and pull-down resistors are sort of... defaults?
17:22:02 <b_jonas> https://www.linusakesson.net/scene/bitbanger/index.php emits video but I don't think it counts as a programming language in any sense
17:22:57 <b_jonas> there are some 2D https://esolangs.org/wiki/Cellular_automaton that you may count
17:23:33 <Sgeo> https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Life_MiSTer GOL is implemented for MiSTer
17:24:31 <b_jonas> obviously with any capable language that can output bits you could write a program that outputs a file that you can easily interpret as graphics, raw or with headers at your choice
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17:26:37 <b_jonas> oh, https://esolangs.org/wiki/MIX_(Knuth)#MIXPC_extensions apparently has bitmap output but with an embarrassingly small resolution of 80×40 px resolution
17:27:26 <b_jonas> I have output an ascii art maze from an esolang program at one point, does that count?
17:28:24 <b_jonas> then there's https://esolangs.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_esoteric_programming_languages#Ken_Knowlton's_languages
17:29:28 <korvo> There's a couple environments like tixy or shadertoy that host small pure programs in languages like ES or GLSL, and I assume that that's *not* what you're looking for, not least because they aren't intended to compile to FPGA.
17:30:12 <korvo> At the same time, I can't ignore that there's a fairly generic way to compile pure languages to digital logic: http://conal.net/papers/compiling-to-categories/compiling-to-categories.pdf
17:31:30 <b_jonas> I also had vague plans for a language that inputs and outputs pixel graphics, but I haven't developed any of it
17:42:33 <PCWWWWW> can i get an answer maybe perhaps idk. like feedback(and if its possible)
17:50:40 <korvo> PCWWWWW: It's an incoherent question. A language is merely a set of sentences; you're confusing the algorithm of an interpreter with the language which it recognizes.
17:51:13 <korvo> It's an instance of Do What I Mean (DWIM), a famous failed computing paradigm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DWIM
17:51:56 <PCWWWWW> first try to find some syntax with a predifined function and mane up the lang
17:52:06 <PCWWWWW> then intepret the rest of the code after some delimiter
17:52:25 <korvo> As in literate programming?
17:55:09 <korvo> PCWWWWW: What's the goal here? Your original phrasing was very generic.
17:56:06 <PCWWWWW> my goal is to bascially make everything runnable
17:56:49 <korvo> Oh. Yeah, that's not workable.
17:57:22 <korvo> I thought you were thinking of something more like https://gist.github.com/trauber/4955706 or https://github.com/vijithassar/lit
17:57:27 <PCWWWWW> to make a new lang every time kinda but also not
17:59:02 <korvo> I think that you often want to shift the burden of formality to the computer.
17:59:48 <PCWWWWW> talking about me or generally
18:00:15 <korvo> Talking about a pattern in your projects.
18:00:34 <korvo> Computers aren't magic. They're abstract symbol-manipulation robots.
18:02:24 <korvo> A pile of symbols doesn't have a meaning. We, the humans, assign meaning to the symbols.
18:02:35 <korvo> So what exactly are you hoping will happen when you give a pile of symbols to the computer?
18:03:51 <PCWWWWW> well. im trying in this way
18:04:28 <PCWWWWW> you have some *function* that the first program is assumed to be
18:04:48 <PCWWWWW> no the computer *tries* to find patterns
18:04:59 <PCWWWWW> that compute that *function*
18:07:47 <korvo> Unfortunately, sometimes a sentence is a member of two languages. So, let's assume that we've taught the computer our culture somehow (language modeling, whatever) and it's got an idea of what a proglang looks like.
18:09:25 <korvo> `x = 7; y = 2; print(x/y)` is valid Python 2 and Python 3, printing different results. Both flavors of Python have been culturally popular. Which one would your program pick and why?
18:09:28 <HackEso> x? No such file or directory
18:11:10 <PCWWWWW> prop python 2 since its simpler(i think) cuz then it easier to construct from the code. if we know the result or thing it computes
18:11:51 <korvo> Okay, yeah, this is a hopeless desire and I think that you should modify it to something more tractable.
18:12:33 <PCWWWWW> idk even know im rlly just beugn the idea
18:14:21 <korvo> I don't think iterating on this idea will help. I think that you're at a common stage for beginners and that you need to get past the hope that the computer can do any thinking for you.
18:15:14 <korvo> A program is a *specification* of what the computer ought to do. To the degree that the program is formalized, the computer's behavior is constrained. What you're asking for is to somehow instruct the computer without specification, as if it were a human laborer.
18:16:00 <korvo> (And even then many people would argue that labor is required to encode abstract desires into a specification for what a human ought to do. There's no free lunch here.)
18:17:33 <PCWWWWW> lets say we ave the function the first program needs to compile be idk
18:17:55 <HackEso> print("hello? No such file or directory
18:18:31 <b_jonas> `python3 -cprint("hello world")
18:18:31 <PCWWWWW> just map earch char to one the of the commands ith the last one being the chars left
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18:21:49 <korvo> PCWWWWW92: Yeah, that's not going to be implementable. What are the semantics? Is "this" a Unicode string, for example? How is the computer supposed to figure that out?
18:22:34 <PCWWWWW92> a functon that maps each char of one string
18:22:49 <PCWWWWW92> (the chars of the other are the commands)
18:23:30 <korvo> You're assuming a particular ALGOL-ish paradigm which isn't universal. What should happen with this relatively famous program? {⊃1 ⍵ ∨.∧ 3 4 = +/ +⌿ ¯1 0 1 ∘.⊖ ¯1 0 1 ⌽¨ ⊂⍵}
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18:24:57 <PCWWWWW92> idk. idk anything about APL other than that it exists
18:25:12 <korvo> PCWWWWW92: Did you recognize that syntax offhand or did you search for it?
18:25:38 <korvo> I know that my questions are mean, but I'm hoping that you're starting to see why we propose that you *implement* your designs.
18:26:18 <korvo> I don't believe that. But fine, let's assume that you're incapable of implementing proglangs. Why are you designing them?
18:27:13 <korvo> Why do you think programmers design and implement proglangs? It's not a matter of sanity, although folks will often make jokes about that.
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18:27:51 <int-e> keeping busy isn't the same as keeping yourself sane
18:29:01 <korvo> PCWWWWW92: I didn't ask you about your reasons. I'm asking you to empathize with the rest of the community of programmers; why do you think *they* do it?
18:29:20 <PCWWWWW92> idk. to make something intresting?
18:30:12 <korvo> Nope. They do it in order to *collaborate*, to *shorten programs*, to *verify properties* and achieve *automatic safety*, to enable *abstractions*, and to make *legible* or *documented* parts of their systems.
18:31:03 <korvo> Otherwise we'd just use assembler. Real programmers don't mind, as long as they're paid by the hour and not merely by the line.
18:32:40 <korvo> PCWWWWW92: All that said, I don't want to discourage you from making conlangs. It's an important art form. There's nothing wrong with conlangs that a computer can interpret.
18:32:55 <korvo> But this idea of yours isn't even a conlang.
18:33:57 <korvo> Try removing "stupid" from your vocabulary; intelligence is probably not a real thing. Also "just" means "I believe". So you're saying "I believe it's an idea." I believe it's an idea too!
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18:35:19 <korvo> You think I'm being silly. I think I'm accurately summarizing the works of 20th-century philosopher Robert Pirsig. We aren't the same.
18:36:13 <korvo> BTW Pirsig wrote FORTRAN manuals as one of his dayjobs. He understood stuff like the software-hardware distinction and the difference between languages, programs, and computers.
18:40:53 <PCWWWWW> underload but its only : , ^ , * and the P Q R L stuff
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18:53:58 <int-e> Sgeo: Real hardware is dirty. IIUC pull-up transistors can pull a line (typically connected to ground with a resistor to make it default to low) up to Vcc. You can have several such transistors on a single line. You even have tri-state outputs that can be either disconnected, pull down, or pull up. There are weak and strong versions of these too... strong versions can override weak versions. I...
18:54:04 <int-e> ...also think that this is mostly for low-speed buses. Internally you're usually using CMOS (which in a way have both pull-up and pull-down transistors for every signal, and no resistors). And on high-speed buses you also want to pull signals up and down actively, so again you won't have many resistors driving signals.
18:55:21 <Sgeo> I need a tutorial on electronics, I think
18:55:32 <Sgeo> And no kids songs that incorrectly claim "You can't violate Ohm's law"
18:56:31 <int-e> I'm not a hardware guy. I did enjoy the topic though... used to borrow Hennessy-Patterson for a while, though the only thing that stuck was the idea of carry prediction to reduce the critical path length in multi-bit adders.
18:57:06 <int-e> Sgeo: If you violate Ohm's law you get blue smoke.
18:58:14 <int-e> (Ohm's law breaks down catastrophically when a resistor overheats. That includes low-resistance resistors like wires or metal contacts, which are the things that tend to burn up in a short circuit.)
18:59:39 <b_jonas> I don't know much about electronics. I work in a job where a lot of my co-workers do electronics, but I do the software side, so at most I have to know not to touch wires that may be live.
19:03:07 <int-e> "up to Vcc" - minus a threshold voltage whose name I'd have to look up that is required to pass through the transistor itself.
19:06:35 <int-e> The other thing I remember was that hardware people play tricks with the geometry of the gates of FETs to make logical ands and ors and even mixes thereof with a single source and drain.
19:07:26 <int-e> Which was fun too. It won't come up in Verilog, it's way lower level than that.
19:08:46 <int-e> I have, sadly, never actually touched Verilog.
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22:01:41 <ais523> Sgeo_: so I have a degree in electronics, if that's helpful for anything?
22:02:44 <ais523> also, I would argue that theoretically Ohm's law is a definition and thus can't be violated by definition – but some of the numbers that you plug into it might have unexpected values, if you're doing something weird
22:07:23 <ais523> e.g. if you buy a 470 ohm resistor from a shop, it won't be guaranteed to have a resistance of 470 ohms in all possible circumstances – just the circumstances in which that sort of resistor is normally used
22:07:30 <b_jonas> ais523: not really, because I know they also give those degrees to incompetent people
22:08:11 <ais523> well, this was a combined bachelor's+master's degree, I think if you're incompetent you only get the bachelor's portion
22:08:41 <b_jonas> well sure, those resistors usually have a voltage limit because they can just melt if you send lots of currents through it
22:09:02 <ais523> after two years the pass mark went up from 40% to 50%, including retroactively (if I'd had too many scores between 40% and 50% I would have had to change to bachelor's only at that point)
22:09:40 <ais523> that said, it was clear that some of the students in the group project were better than others
22:09:51 <b_jonas> ais523: perhaps that is so now, but I saw this back before the Bologna system was introduced here so the degrees were 5 year program ones, and I think you're old enough for that
22:10:25 <ais523> it probably varies a lot from country to country and decade to decade
22:10:47 <b_jonas> and between universities and between the programs in those universities, yes
22:11:27 <ais523> I was starting to move more into CS by the end of my degree, though
22:11:54 <b_jonas> I mean some of the universities keep renaming themeslves every five years just to try to confuse employers that the degrees that they give out are real
22:12:08 <ais523> I like to joke that my Master's thesis was about writing a compiler for a particular computational model, and my PhD thesis was about figuring out why it worked
22:13:09 <b_jonas> I mean that was still normal in my father's time: back then there was no separate CS education, so everyone who studied software programming got a degree saying electric engineering
22:13:23 <b_jonas> so my father has an electric engineering degree
22:13:42 <ais523> for my PhD I went to look up lots of old books on computer science, but they were filed under "philosophy" because computers hadn't been invented at the time
22:14:02 <ais523> and so the weird sorts of logic they were defining weren't obviously useful for anything
22:14:33 <ais523> in particular I was working with affine logic a lot, which doesn't really make much sense if you try to make logical sense of the real world with it
22:14:54 <ais523> this was a bit before Rust was created, so I feel like I got a head start in terms of understanding it
22:15:15 <ais523> err, not sure about the actual creation date, but before it became widely known, at least
22:15:47 <b_jonas> https://i.giantitp.com//comics/oots/oots1099.png “I'm an astronomer, not an adventurer. (There aren't a lot of dwarven organizations that offer funding for looking at the sky.)”
22:17:10 <b_jonas> fizzie: you asked for the webserver to break outside of work time, right?
22:20:14 <ais523> b_jonas: anyway, my degree is explicitly a degree in electronics even though the university also offered computer science and software engineering degrees
22:21:02 <ais523> this was partly because I wasn't sure what I wanted to be doing yet, and it is much cheaper to study CS on your own than it is to study electronics on your own – doing the degree meant that I could borrow expensive equipment from the university if I needed it
22:21:37 <b_jonas> sure, but they still count as close enough that people often work in related areas with those degrees
22:22:03 <ais523> (and I was much more careful with it than most – I don't think I've destroyed anything more expensive than a cheap mass-produced capacitor or diode)
22:22:33 <ais523> (in the course of doing electronics on it, at least)
22:22:45 <ais523> I defintely have set at least one diode on fire, it is easy to do by mistake
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22:25:12 <b_jonas> fizzie: oops, looks like it's working again
22:45:23 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Space * New user account
23:56:37 <esolangs> [[Talk:Whitespace]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140914&oldid=127722 * Moose * (+325) /* I wrote a program for a code golf challenge */ new section
00:03:51 <fizzie> I guess it maybe sometimes recovers on its own (maybe if the websocket thing times out or something).
00:03:59 <fizzie> (Was off playing a videogame this time.)
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00:58:25 <esolangs> [[Txet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140915&oldid=137507 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+3) /* Truth-machine */
00:59:13 <esolangs> [[Txet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140916&oldid=140915 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+6) /* Truth-machine */
00:59:28 <esolangs> [[Txet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140917&oldid=140916 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-6) /* Truth-machine */
01:00:13 <esolangs> [[Txet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140918&oldid=140917 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-6) /* Truth-machine */
01:26:17 <esolangs> [[Specil:DoubleRedirects]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140919 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+28) Redirected page to [[User:Ractangle]]
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02:36:13 <esolangs> [[ZipTied]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140922 * Zackbuildit777 * (+3444) Created page with "ZipTied is a low-level, address-based esolang created on September 25th, 2024 by ZackBuildit. It is a single threaded, 16 instruction language, intended to be able to compute any common and well-defined computational task in minimum single-thread time complexity,
02:37:28 <esolangs> [[ZipTied]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140923&oldid=140922 * Zackbuildit777 * (+14)
03:07:09 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/Mihai Again5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140924&oldid=140856 * MihaiEso * (+16)
03:18:21 <esolangs> [[GPNS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140925&oldid=140467 * Hakerh400 * (+0)
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04:48:59 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/Mihai Again6]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140928&oldid=140878 * MihaiEso * (+16)
04:53:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:Uppercase=Lowercase]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140929&oldid=140912 * Gggfr * (+101)
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05:38:27 <esolangs> [[!!brainfeed++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140930 * BoundedBeans * (+1766) Created page with "!!brainfeed++ is an extension of [[!!brainfeed]] designed by [[User:BoundedBeans]]. It has an extra three queues for data storage. ==New commands== <pre class="rectwrap"> {body} - Loop body as long as the current cell is not zero. "command" - Execute a
05:38:44 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140931&oldid=140854 * BoundedBeans * (+20)
05:39:32 <esolangs> [[User:BoundedBeans]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140932&oldid=137560 * BoundedBeans * (+132)
05:44:13 <esolangs> [[Brainyay]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140933 * PhiPhiPHIpHi * (+2814) Created page with "== brainYay -by PhiphiPHIpHi. (Phoenix Irwin) == BrainYay is a version of Brainf*ck that adds many features, including a stack, and graphics. All the original commands from brainf*ck are the same in brainYay except for the [] which are replaced with () respecti
05:48:43 <esolangs> [[Brainyay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140934&oldid=140933 * PhiPhiPHIpHi * (+141)
05:52:02 <esolangs> [[Brainyay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140935&oldid=140934 * PhiPhiPHIpHi * (+71)
05:56:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:PixelatedStarfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140936&oldid=117977 * Gggfr * (+189)
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06:32:59 <b_jonas> fizzie: is the videogame multiplayer (and so not easily pausable)?
06:35:00 <esolangs> [[Brainyay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140937&oldid=140935 * PhiPhiPHIpHi * (+104)
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08:06:36 <esolangs> [[Brainyay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140938&oldid=140937 * Ractangle * (-15) did some stuff
08:07:29 <esolangs> [[Brainyay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140939&oldid=140938 * Ractangle * (+8) /* Commands */
08:08:53 <esolangs> [[Brainyay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140940&oldid=140939 * Ractangle * (+22) /* Examples */
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08:12:01 <esolangs> [[Brainyay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140941&oldid=140940 * Ractangle * (+9) /* Implementation */
08:12:08 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140942&oldid=140927 * Agubelu * (+62)
08:13:34 <esolangs> [[Malbolge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140943&oldid=126984 * Agubelu * (+609) /* Memory initialization */
08:20:31 <esolangs> [[Malbolge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140944&oldid=140943 * Agubelu * (-184) /* Memory initialization */
08:22:24 <esolangs> [[Malbolge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140945&oldid=140944 * Agubelu * (+55) /* Memory initialization */
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08:49:22 <esolangs> [[User:Tesolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140947&oldid=107698 * Emelang * (+30)
08:49:33 <esolangs> [[User:Emelang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140948 * Emelang * (+94) Created page with "my esolangs: [[&-/]], [[Jellang]], [[While true (cat)|while true {cat}]], [[CBA]], [[HELOWOR]]"
08:51:38 <esolangs> [[&-/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140949&oldid=107350 * Emelang * (+8) T to emelchenko
09:00:02 <fizzie> I guess technically it's sort of an MMO (it's Elite Dangerous, or as I call it "the space game"), though I play it in the "Solo" mode. Still technically unpauseable, but easy enough to maneuver into a safe-to-quit spot. But the reason I brought it up wasn't that, I just meant I wasn't looking at either IRC or emails (for the alert), so I was blissfully unaware it had borked.
09:00:22 <fizzie> Maybe I could send the alerts to my work pager thing.
09:01:24 <fizzie> Although some of them are more in the nature of reminders to do certain things, rather than "immediate action needed" kind of alerts.
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09:55:48 <esolangs> [[Works in progress]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140951&oldid=140895 * Iddi01 * (+14) Added Genetic; please contribute your own adjustment sets
10:00:28 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140952&oldid=140931 * Iddi01 * (+26) Added 2 languages
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10:11:48 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/tommyaweosme english]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140953 * Unname4798 * (+1496) Created page with "== Notice == Since I can't edit User pages, I buffered the page [[User:Tommyaweosme/tommyaweosme english]]. == The page == tommyaweosme english is a page created by mihai popa and tommyaweosme. here is a table with all differences
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10:50:21 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140954&oldid=140840 * Iddi01 * (+155) A few more
11:30:28 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140955 * PrySigneToFry * (+2033) Created page with "[[]][[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again!|]] 1. Drag that lump of sht out <pre> - ^ [yyyy] _ _ XD ..."
11:31:42 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140956&oldid=140876 * PrySigneToFry * (+45)
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11:39:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140958&oldid=140095 * PrySigneToFry * (+1591) /* Some more questions */ new section
11:48:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140959&oldid=140896 * PrySigneToFry * (+421)
11:50:35 <esolangs> [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140960&oldid=138570 * PrySigneToFry * (+65)
11:56:36 <esolangs> [[Befunge/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140961&oldid=140644 * PrySigneToFry * (+60)
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12:18:12 <esolangs> [[Dd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140962&oldid=72883 * Gggfr * (-173) /* Computational class */ a fsa can loop. idk what it is
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12:22:11 <esolangs> [[Ultimate bf instruction minimalization!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140964&oldid=99604 * Gggfr * (-57)
12:23:28 <S7rayCat> I need to eat breakfast when I get to class
12:24:19 <S7rayCat> trying to figure out what the next hoodie I make for my mc skin should be
12:24:39 <S7rayCat> and then I just felt my stomach collapse in on itselfe
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12:49:27 <esolangs> [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140965&oldid=140960 * Ractangle * (+82)
12:52:54 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140966&oldid=140958 * Ractangle * (+218) /* Some more questions */
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13:20:23 <esolangs> [[PP']] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140967 * Xff * (+739) Created page with "'''PP<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' pronounced '''P to P prime''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] == syntax == PP' is [[Underload]] subset based on its notation. it uses the P, <sup>L</sup>, <sup>R</sup>, Q, <code>{}</code>, and <code>'</code> notation stuff converted to under
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13:22:27 <PCWWWWW> hey korvo remember the esolang i talked about yesterday(with the underload stuff). here it is: https://esolangs.org/wiki/P%E2%86%92P%27
13:36:53 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140968&oldid=140300 * PrySigneToFry * (+1) /* Types */
13:37:20 <esolangs> [[PP']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140969&oldid=140967 * Xff * (-98) /* syntax */
13:40:12 <esolangs> [[ZipTied]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140970&oldid=140923 * Zackbuildit777 * (+109)
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13:43:04 <esolangs> [[PP']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140971&oldid=140969 * Xff * (+83) /* syntax */
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14:15:09 <esolangs> [[Genetic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140973&oldid=140950 * Hakerh400 * (+36) Add the "See also" section
14:20:04 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang/Keywords]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140974 * PrySigneToFry * (+2816) Created page with "== Keyword List == {| class="wikitable" |+ Keyword List |- ! CMD !! Meaning |- | False || Logical 0. |- | None || A nil constant. |- | True || Logical 1. P.S.: True+True=2 |- | if || If-statement. |- | elif || Equal el(se )if. |- | else || If-else fina
14:20:33 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140975&oldid=140968 * PrySigneToFry * (+24)
14:31:00 <wib_jonas> is it just me or is this chemical formula for nitrogen gas a bit worrying because one of the nitrogen atoms is represented by an N in a serif font, the other by an N in an sans serif font? https://youtu.be/l0u8Vtf2GoQ?t=247
14:31:31 <wib_jonas> it's like there's some assymetry between the two atoms
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14:33:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140976&oldid=140813 * None1 * (+315) /* Semi-serious language list */
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14:35:21 <esolangs> [[Sloopy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140977&oldid=123292 * Chris Pressey * (-2999) It's my language and I can change it if I want to
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14:37:30 <esolangs> [[Binary Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140978&oldid=106699 * Xff * (-2) /* Hello World! Script */ make pre
14:39:03 <cpressey> Hi, I just completely changed https://esolangs.org/wiki/Sloopy to suit my purposes.
14:39:14 <cpressey> I think my argument that it is TC is really weak.
14:39:22 <cpressey> I mean, I'm sure it is, but the argument is very handwavy
14:39:38 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140979&oldid=140574 * PrySigneToFry * (+824) /* Make it even scarier !!!! */ new section
14:40:13 <cpressey> Also, there is a very good chance this language already exists
14:40:30 <cpressey> But I am not really in the mood to trawl through all the brainfuck variants and identify it.
14:41:00 <esolangs> [[PP']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140980&oldid=140971 * Xff * (+87)
14:41:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:C++++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140981&oldid=125140 * PrySigneToFry * (+131)
14:43:03 <Sgeo> cpressey, what happens if you nest (/) ?
14:45:23 <cpressey> Sgeo: it's no different from nesting if-else blocks in a conventional language.
14:47:43 <wib_jonas> cpressey: can you clarify if this has a single tape head that can move around in the tape and the only thing that moves the head is < and > instructions, just as in Brainfuck?
14:47:47 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140982&oldid=140132 * PrySigneToFry * (+339) Pseudo-code added
14:47:52 <cpressey> I could maybe weaken it a bit and say that the first [ doesn't have to appear as the very first symbol. But still, there can only be 1 [ symbol.
14:48:16 <cpressey> wib_jonas: If you like, I'll add that to the description
14:48:49 <wib_jonas> cpressey: it's more like that I don't see in the description where it says that the rules default to brainfuck except for a few changes, so it sounds incomplete in other ways too
14:49:11 <wib_jonas> it does say it's "brainfuck-like" but that's vague
14:49:38 <PCWWWWW> can i get feedback on dis?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/P%E2%86%92P%27'
14:49:47 <esolangs> [[Sloopy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140983&oldid=140977 * Ractangle * (+26) /* Computational class */
14:49:47 <PCWWWWW> *https://esolangs.org/wiki/P%E2%86%92P%27
14:50:05 <wib_jonas> cpressey: now as for the more important question, what do the cells store? are they unbounded integers, integers modul 256, something else?
14:52:06 <wib_jonas> I do think this is Turing-complete though
14:52:14 <esolangs> [[Sloopy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140984&oldid=140983 * Chris Pressey * (+348) More clarity on what's like brainfuck here
14:53:40 <cpressey> wib_jonas: the article does already say "integers stored on the tape are unbounded in both the positive and negative extents", I don't know how to make that clearer
14:56:59 <wib_jonas> so if you have a cell that takes one of a few specific values then you can make a switch-case statement on that value like (-(-(-(...-(an/...)/a3)/a2)/a1)/a0 , destroying the value as a side effect. and using this you can emulate a Turing-machine by storing the symbols in odd positions and the state under the cursor in an even position. you just
14:57:00 <wib_jonas> need a big switch case statement on the states with switch-case statements on the symbol in each arm. in each case, write the new symbol, move the head to where the simulated head has to move, and write the new state of the simulated Turing-machines. I don't often use reductions to one-tape Turing machines because they don't come up naturally, but
14:57:00 <wib_jonas> in this case it seems the most direct way.
14:57:18 <wib_jonas> I think this is even slightly easier than if you had to mess with brainfuck brackets
14:58:40 <esolangs> [[ without a Quine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=140985 * PrySigneToFry * (+2447) Created page with "Klik hi tu bak tu mein pei: [[]] '' without a Quine'' is designed by PSTF which inspired from [[]] which is inspired from [[Nope.]] == Commands == There are Th ..."
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15:00:45 <esolangs> [[Sloopy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140986&oldid=140984 * Chris Pressey * (+561) Mention also a pretty simple variation that I can imagine.
15:01:39 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140987&oldid=140000 * PrySigneToFry * (+77)
15:06:48 <esolangs> [[Sloopy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140988&oldid=140986 * Chris Pressey * (+316) Expand on what's likely in the variation
15:11:42 <esolangs> [[User talk:Page crapper from explain xkcd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140989&oldid=138254 * PrySigneToFry * (+166) /* */ new section
15:17:38 <cpressey> wib_jonas: Yes. I facepalm now because I now realize this is not what I need either. Oh well. I do think I will eventually get there.
15:17:52 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140990&oldid=140966 * PrySigneToFry * (+657)
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15:21:45 <esolangs> [[Talk:4]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140992&oldid=108280 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-243) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/108280|108280]] by [[Special:Contributions/ChuckEsoteric08|ChuckEsoteric08]] ([[User talk:ChuckEsoteric08|talk]])
15:22:20 <esolangs> [[Burro]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140993&oldid=122652 * Chris Pressey * (+109) Minor update on the state of the TC proof.
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15:43:05 <esolangs> [[NABC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140995&oldid=127863 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+12)
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15:56:54 <esolangs> [[Burro]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140996&oldid=140993 * Chris Pressey * (+327) Attempt to clarify this while I attempt to wrap my head around it again
15:57:34 <esolangs> [[Burro]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140997&oldid=140996 * Chris Pressey * (+1)
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16:16:53 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * YetAnotherAccount * New user account
16:21:59 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=140999&oldid=140946 * YetAnotherAccount * (+180) introduction
16:23:03 <esolangs> [[&]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141000&oldid=126781 * YetAnotherAccount * (-26) /* Categories */ c'mon, there's already two interpreters
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16:44:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:&-/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141002&oldid=130956 * Ractangle * (+219)
16:45:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:&-/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141003&oldid=141002 * Ractangle * (-219) nvm
16:45:50 <esolangs> [[Wenyan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141004&oldid=138065 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+16) /* Brainfuck interpreter */
16:46:36 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141005&oldid=120168 * Ractangle * (+34) /* Usability for writing programs */
16:47:30 <esolangs> [[Category:Usability not set]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141006&oldid=121902 * Ractangle * (-23)
16:48:42 <esolangs> [[EsoInterpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141007&oldid=119559 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+514) /* Main table */ added Brainfuck in Wenyan
16:50:45 <esolangs> [[Programming abillities of different esolangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141008&oldid=130251 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0) /* Sreg */
16:51:41 <esolangs> [[Number-encoded Bitwise Cyclic Tag]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141009&oldid=109420 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-36) /* How it works */
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17:16:22 <esolangs> [[&]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141016&oldid=141015 * Ractangle * (-37) /* INTERPRETER IN PYTHON */
17:16:50 <esolangs> [[&]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141017&oldid=141016 * Ractangle * (+6)
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17:20:32 <esolangs> [[&]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141018&oldid=141017 * Ractangle * (-16) Putting a categories section is pointless
17:21:44 <esolangs> [[User:Tesolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141019&oldid=140947 * Ractangle * (+42)
17:23:08 <esolangs> [[&-/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141020&oldid=140949 * Ractangle * (-44) the scratch interpriter doesn't seem to exist
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17:25:56 <esolangs> [[While true (cat)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141022&oldid=115862 * Ractangle * (+45)
17:26:23 <esolangs> [[While true (cat)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141023&oldid=141022 * Ractangle * (+17)
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17:31:37 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141026&oldid=140476 * Ractangle * (+20)
17:36:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141027&oldid=140990 * Ractangle * (+228) /* Some more questions */
17:39:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141028&oldid=140432 * Ractangle * (+147)
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17:43:36 <esolangs> [[Genetic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141032&oldid=140973 * Ractangle * (+3) This is a section part of a page and not a page
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19:01:06 <esolangs> [[User talk:PixelatedStarfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141033&oldid=141012 * Xff * (+15) /* logo plz! maybe? */
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19:23:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141035&oldid=141027 * Ais523 * (+467) /* 1 */ how to write custom CSS for your own view
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19:29:56 <esolangs> [[Infinite loop (esolang)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141036&oldid=133854 * Xff * (+18) /* Infinite loop */ fix loop stuff
19:33:00 <esolangs> [[Timefuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141037&oldid=102778 * Xff * (-56) delete TC category until prooven
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19:36:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:Algebraic Programming Language]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141038 * Ractangle * (+290) Created page with "isn't Factorial (or {{cd|n!}}) an algebra thing? ~~~<--- Please remove this comment and keep the br tag if you want to reply--->"
19:37:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:Algebraic Programming Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141039&oldid=141038 * Ractangle * (-2)
19:41:30 <HackEso> fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason.
19:42:36 <int-e> `slwd fungot//s/ v/sporadic v/
19:42:38 <HackEso> fungot//fungot is our beloved channel mascot andsporadic voice of reason.
19:43:03 <int-e> `slwd fungot//s/ds/d s/
19:43:07 <HackEso> fungot//fungot is our beloved channel mascot and sporadic voice of reason.
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19:50:51 <esolangs> [[AREA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141040&oldid=130740 * Ractangle * (+219) wanted to make AREA not a redirect becuase it's conected to the [[Language list]]
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21:02:14 <esolangs> [[User:Unicodes/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141043&oldid=130131 * YetAnotherAccount * (-1) let font scale with browser settings
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21:20:58 <esolangs> [[5]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141045 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+2424) Created page with "'''5''' is an esolang by ~~~~ that is based off the simple fact that [[1]] = [[5]]. Some programming languages such as [[Forte]] support this functionality, but 5 dials it up to 55. Every digit 1 is replaced by the d
21:23:05 <esolangs> [[15]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141046 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+18) Redirected page to [[5#15]]
21:23:16 <esolangs> [[15]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141047&oldid=141046 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+2)
21:23:42 <esolangs> [[5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141048&oldid=141045 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+6) /* Computation class */
21:23:50 <esolangs> [[5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141049&oldid=141048 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+0) /* Categories */
21:23:59 <esolangs> [[5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141050&oldid=141049 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+0) /* Categories */
21:24:04 <esolangs> [[5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141051&oldid=141050 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+0) /* Categories */
21:24:22 <esolangs> [[User talk:YetAnotherAccount]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141052 * YetAnotherAccount * (+133) Created page with "leave a comment :) ~~~~"
21:24:46 <esolangs> [[5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141053&oldid=141051 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+5) /* Commands */
21:25:24 <esolangs> [[5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141054&oldid=141053 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+7) /* Loops */
21:26:04 <esolangs> [[5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141055&oldid=141054 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+1) /* Commands */
21:31:38 <esolangs> [[5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141056&oldid=141055 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+86) /* Computation class */
21:33:20 <esolangs> [[5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141057&oldid=141056 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-70) /* Cell-based instructions */
21:34:03 <esolangs> [[User:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141058&oldid=140768 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+32)
21:34:30 <esolangs> [[35]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141059 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+18) Redirected page to [[5#35]]
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23:33:19 <ais523> I don't think I've seen cpressey's exact version of BF that's used in Sloopy before
23:33:43 <ais523> I've seen a "1 loop plus if statements", but it used bit cells and didn't have else branches (also, it was offwiki)
23:34:05 <ais523> https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/63284
23:34:19 <ais523> (called "Picofuck" there, but the Picofuck on the wiki is a different language)
23:45:54 <esolangs> [[User:Int-e/BFBB]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141091&oldid=140793 * Int-e * (+138) two minor thoughts
23:48:53 <int-e> hmm you can't nest if-then-else in Sloopy, I wonder whether that's intentional
23:50:11 <int-e> (because `((/)/)` would have two `/` between the outer `()`)
23:55:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:Sloopy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141092 * Int-e * (+274) Q about nesting
23:59:26 <esolangs> [[Sloopy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141093&oldid=140988 * Ais523 * (+922) a simple, more rigorous TCness proof using [[The Waterfall Model]] (which should probably be the first choice for TCness-proving of anything that can store sufficiently many unbounded integers)
23:59:46 <ais523> the nesting isn't needed, at least :-D
00:00:52 <ais523> in a way I am disappointed by just how good The Waterfall Model is at TCness-proving non-reversible counter machines, or anything that can be made to act as one; it has reduced the effort needed to produce that sort of proof down to typically a couple of minutes
00:01:00 <int-e> I still think it's accidental because otherwise that restriction could be expressed in a much clearer fashion.
00:01:42 <int-e> but it's not certain :)
00:02:13 <ais523> the control flow is so absurdly simple, each counter is tested in only once place in the program and the order doesn't matter, you could even do it simultaneously
00:03:09 <int-e> I'd implement a Minsky machine, which can also be done directly.
00:03:14 <ais523> Flooding Waterfall Model was a major challenge but at least that one isn't a pure counter machine, the counters act differently depending on their histories (and the hard part was finding a way to make them act predictably, once I'd done that the regular Waterfall Model could easily serve as a TCness proof for the resulting language)
00:03:24 <ais523> int-e: how do you implement the instruction pointer?
00:03:34 <int-e> one cell per state
00:03:45 <int-e> that's either 0 or 1
00:03:56 <ais523> a one-hot instruction pointer, I should remember that trick more often
00:04:19 <int-e> which incidentally shows that you don't need the else branches either
00:04:51 <ais523> the TWM proof doesn't need the else branches either (or alternatively, doesn't need the if branches), because all the changes made inside an if statement are reversible
00:05:21 <ais523> I think that's obviously inherent in any Sloopy program that doesn't nest ifs, and less obviously inherent even in Sloopy programs that do
00:05:36 <int-e> Sorry, I'm sure this works out but I did get a bit ahead of myself because I didn't actually consider the test of the counter :) (yeah it'll work).
00:06:14 <ais523> worst case you just go The Amnesiac From Minsk, which basically captures the restriction of "each counter can only be tested in one place in the program"
00:06:51 <ais523> I used to use TAFM for TCness proofs a lot, but TWM is simpler and also has the properties that make TAFM good for proofs, whilst having a few of its own
00:07:42 <ais523> (I used TAFM to originally "bootstrap" the TCness proof for TWM, because I had to use something that was proved TC without using TWM along the way)
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00:08:59 <ais523> actually I feel like a lot of my TCness research has been looking at the tradeoffs between how complex the data storage is and how complex the control flow is
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00:09:38 <ais523> as you suggested with your one-hot instruction pointer, usually it's possible to simplify the control flow by storing more data
00:10:54 <int-e> yeah I guess things get interesting if you limit the number of cells as we do with Minsky machines
00:14:51 <int-e> Hmm, how many counters do you need for TC-ness in TWM?
00:15:13 <ais523> The Waterfall Model programs golfed down to use a minimal number of counters can be beautiful, most of the counters end up being used as both value storage and control flow at different times in the program execution
00:15:35 <ais523> minimum known is 6 readable counters + 1 halt counter
00:15:59 <ais523> (obviously the halt counter only matters if you want strong Turing-completeness, i.e. halting when and only when the emulated program halts)
00:16:57 <ais523> there is an explicit compiler from https://esolangs.org/wiki/Spiral_Rise to that number of counters, although it's never actually been tested
00:18:50 <int-e> so there's a chance that reducing from a 2-counter Minsky machine is actually better.
00:20:17 <ais523> in terms of tape cells used? that wouldn't surprise me because Sloopy's control flow is pretty powerful, except for not having loops beyond the outer loop
00:20:58 <int-e> 3 cells should easily suffice if you allow nested ifs.
00:21:13 <ais523> the basic problem there is that 2-counter Minsky machines tend to naturally use a lot of small loops to do multiplications and divisions
00:21:30 <ais523> so you would probably want one cell as a numerical instruction pointer
00:21:30 <int-e> maybe 4 is enough if you don't have nesting.
00:23:07 <ais523> oh, 3 is easy even without nesting: have a numerical instruction pointer where each instruction simply specifies which of the counters to increment or decrement and what the next instruction is, but space out the numbers used (e.g. 0, 10, 20, 30, 40) – then do a test on counter 1 that adds 1 to the instruction if it's nonzero, a test on counter 2 that adds 2 to to the instruction if it's nonzero, and unconditionally add 1
00:24:03 <ais523> the unconditional add of 1 means that the value left in the instruction pointer after running an instruction won't collide with any valid instruction values
00:24:33 <ais523> this is pretty similar to how Esimpl works, although different enough to feel like a different language
00:24:52 <int-e> oh yeah that works
00:25:27 <int-e> maybe we can even do that without else branches?
00:25:52 <int-e> I suppose so because most things are easily reversible
00:25:53 <ais523> I don't think the else branches in Sloopy actually do anything, especially without nesting
00:26:22 <ais523> you just do the else branch unconditionally afterwards, and cancel it out at the end of the if branch
00:27:05 <ais523> actually maybe they do do something if you have nesting, but they definitely don't if you don't
00:28:15 <int-e> well, the else branch is *convenient* because it only executes for one specific value of a cell (namely 0)
00:28:28 <ais523> yes, it makes programs more readable
00:28:44 <ais523> in a way Sloopy feels like it would be more elegant with only the else branches, no ifs
00:29:20 <ais523> (Perl calls that an "unless" statement, although it allows "unless … else" presumably to avoid adding a special case into the parser)
00:30:16 * ais523 thinks about an esoteric control flow construct that has only the "then" and "else" cases, and works out the value of the test based on which of them runs successfully
00:30:20 <int-e> but yeah, (/foo) translates to (-foo/)foo where -foo reverses foo
00:30:36 <ais523> and (bar/foo) to (bar-foo)/foo
00:30:56 <int-e> misplaced / but yeah
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00:32:55 <int-e> So that leaves the question of doing this with 2 cells. Which enables consistent Collatz?
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00:34:08 <ais523> I'm not sure you can even do consistent Collatz, how do you remember which of the cells is being multiplied onto the other? I guess you could use a wrapping tape that's 2 cells long
00:34:17 <int-e> Oh I can't copy the value back, right.
00:34:17 <ais523> and use the position of the tape pointer
00:34:41 <ais523> although even then, the modulus would probably have to be a square number
00:34:53 <ais523> err, not the modulus, the ratio
00:37:22 <int-e> But yeah I didn't want a wrapping tape, so scratch that thought.
00:37:28 <ais523> ah, no, it doesn't because you can test on both sides of the copy
00:38:36 <ais523> if the tape has only two writable cells, but a lot more that are stuck at 0, it's still possible to use the tape pointer position to store state, but that feels like cheating in a way
00:41:26 <ais523> I have realised that consistent Collatz is capable of embedding a sort of state machine (you store the state machine in the low bits and the consistent-Collatz behaviour happens in the high bits)
00:42:14 <ais523> which somewhat increases the chance that it's TC
00:42:44 <int-e> right, you have gcd(m,r) states of that sort
00:43:29 <int-e> (using variable names from https://wiki.bbchallenge.org/wiki/Consistent_Collatz )
00:43:42 <ais523> what you basically end up with is a finite state machine + a PRNG with infinite amounts of state, but the finite state machine can mix state into the PRNG
00:43:52 <int-e> (just on the off chance that there's another source)
00:44:07 <ais523> well, the source I wrote is going to be the one I'm most familiar with :-)
00:45:03 <int-e> It would be so funny if somebody managed to find a TC fragment of the original Collatz sequence.
00:45:41 <ais523> in the sense that you could somehow encode a program into it such that the sequence reached its usual loop only if the program halted?
00:45:52 <int-e> Funny and amazing.
00:46:14 <int-e> Because that PRNG component feels pretty wild.
00:47:48 <int-e> ais523: or maybe any loop whatsoever
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00:52:35 <int-e> (I am sometimes entertaining the idea that Collatz' conjecture could be false. But the only way I see to establish that would be to find a second loop and I'm sure smarter people have tried that with significant computing power already.)
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00:53:06 <nitrix> That's usually what they do yeah, they try to prove it false rather than prove it true.
00:57:28 <ais523> there has been quite a lot of research into the fractional portions of (1½)**n, but the results are pretty miniml
00:58:31 <ais523> and this is very related to the Hydra sequence (which is basically the same, but you truncate the fractional portion before every multiplication by 1½)
01:21:38 <b_jonas> "hmm you can't nest if-then-else in Sloopy" => wait, really? because then my reduction doesn't work
01:22:09 <ais523> b_jonas: I think you were intended to be able to nest them but int-e thinks the spec is misworded
01:22:43 <b_jonas> it's still Turing-Complete anyway so it's not a big deal
01:23:26 <b_jonas> and it's not much harder to prove either
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01:24:14 <b_jonas> I'm not sure, maybe it is harder to prove
01:25:16 <b_jonas> no, it's still fine, you can use pluses to add the next state to the tape symbol of the next position of the head, and code the states and symbols so that their sums are unique
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01:29:18 <ais523> we've already come up with a few proofs, but mostly by treating it as a counter machine
01:29:22 <b_jonas> and for testing the value, you use (-/a0 +^n)(-/a1 +^(n-1))(-/a2 +^(n-2)) ... (-/a(n-1) +)(-/an) where ak is the action for when the value of the cell was k, and each branch has enough pluses that the next if branches don't trigger but the minuses leave the counter zero at the end
01:37:12 <b_jonas> "The Waterfall Model … has reduced the effort needed to produce [… Turing-completeness] proof" => we'll still have to try to make the proof for Imprecision TC first. does TWM help with that?
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02:13:17 <ais523> b_jonas: not obviously, Imprecision is stuck in the "figure out how to read arbitrary amounts of data" stage
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06:12:54 <esolangs> [[Bog prok]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141135&oldid=141131 * Xff * (+0) /* computation */
06:13:08 <esolangs> [[AH'TALIQUAE ENGLISH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141136&oldid=141130 * PrySigneToFry * (+46)
06:13:24 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My words]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141137&oldid=139995 * Unname4798 * (+1122)
06:13:40 <esolangs> [[Bog prok]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141138&oldid=141135 * Xff * (+55) /* memory */
06:13:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My words]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141139&oldid=141137 * Unname4798 * (-8)
06:21:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141140&oldid=141074 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+177) /* How does it move between cells */
06:22:44 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again3]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141141 * PrySigneToFry * (+3598) Created page with "Hahahahaha, this is an idiot, hahahahahahahahaha, I really laughing my activate symmetric swapping off. :Back to previous version: [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again2]] 1. Take this shit <pre> ..."
06:22:57 <esolangs> [[Bog prok]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141142&oldid=141138 * Xff * (+405) /* computation */
06:23:26 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141143&oldid=141124 * PrySigneToFry * (+45)
06:23:58 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My words]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141144&oldid=141129 * MihaiEso * (+258)
06:24:08 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141145&oldid=141126 * PrySigneToFry * (+47)
06:25:49 <esolangs> [[0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141146&oldid=141078 * Ractangle * (+55) /* FlipFlop */
06:37:10 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again3]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141147 * MihaiEso * (+2790) Created page with "Hahahahaha, this is an idiot, hahahahahahahahaha. I really enjoy doing this because of humour. :Back to previous version: [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again3]] 1. Take this corrupted file <pre> URL URL CBZ CBZ - ..."
06:37:58 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141148&oldid=141141 * MihaiEso * (+50)
06:38:10 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141149&oldid=141145 * MihaiEso * (+49) /* Horribly translated variants */
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07:26:02 <esolangs> [[GotoStart]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141150&oldid=141011 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+320)
07:30:51 <esolangs> [[!English/Examples]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141151&oldid=136141 * MihaiEso * (+275) /* A chatbot that uses GPT-3 */
07:50:00 <esolangs> [[Talk:ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141152&oldid=141140 * Ractangle * (+211) /* How does it move between cells */
07:51:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141153&oldid=141152 * Ractangle * (+14)
07:58:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141154&oldid=141153 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+200) /* How does it move between cells */
07:59:38 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141155&oldid=141035 * Ractangle * (+209) /* 1 */
08:05:39 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/common.css]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141156 * Ractangle * (+71) Created page with "* { background-color: dark-grey !important; color: orange; !important;}"
08:08:09 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141157&oldid=141042 * DifferentDance8 * (+11) /* K */ the rev before this was correct in removing [[Code-Tree]], but after a long chain of redirects it turns out to be [[Kava]] all along!
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08:26:10 <esolangs> [[!Romanian]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141158 * MihaiEso * (+1838) Created page with "'''!Romanian''' is a esolang made by Mihai Popa. It's taken from the pseudocode language in many Romanian code books, but altered slightly. == Syntax == The syntax is slimiar to pseudocode. Comments can be done just like in C: <pre> // Example /* Hello! * Hello!
08:26:58 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141159&oldid=140013 * MihaiEso * (+43)
08:27:31 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141160&oldid=141157 * MihaiEso * (+16) /* Non-alphabetic */
08:28:02 <esolangs> [[!Romanian]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141161&oldid=141158 * MihaiEso * (+119) /* Truth Machine */ Categories
08:28:55 <esolangs> [[!Romanian]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141162&oldid=141161 * MihaiEso * (+3) /* Commands */
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08:53:24 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141168&oldid=141167 * Ractangle * (+16)
08:53:49 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141169&oldid=141026 * Ractangle * (+6) /* Esolangs */
08:54:54 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141170&oldid=141168 * Ractangle * (+2)
08:57:37 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141171&oldid=141170 * Ractangle * (-18)
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09:20:21 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141173&oldid=141172 * Ractangle * (+3)
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09:22:44 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141175&oldid=141174 * Ractangle * (-53)
09:24:12 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141176&oldid=141155 * Ractangle * (+184) /* Some more questions */
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09:27:31 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141178&oldid=141177 * Ractangle * (-13)
09:31:39 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141179&oldid=140994 * MihaiEso * (+193) /* Make it even scarier !!!! */
09:33:49 <esolangs> [[!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141180 * Ractangle * (+89) Created page with "'''!''' is an esolang based [[!Romanian]] which is possibly based on [[!English]]"
09:34:56 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141181&oldid=141180 * Ractangle * (-10)
09:35:33 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141182&oldid=141181 * Ractangle * (+12)
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09:39:17 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141184&oldid=141182 * Ractangle * (+166)
09:39:37 <esolangs> [[!Romanian]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141185&oldid=141162 * MihaiEso * (-8) /* Commands */
09:39:58 <esolangs> [[+]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141186&oldid=141183 * PrySigneToFry * (+70)
09:40:41 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141187&oldid=141184 * MihaiEso * (+3)
09:40:57 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141188&oldid=141187 * Ractangle * (+27)
09:41:02 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso/common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141189&oldid=141163 * MihaiEso * (-105) Blanked the page
09:41:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141190&oldid=141179 * MihaiEso * (+167) /* PSTF */
09:41:58 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141191&oldid=141188 * Ractangle * (+29)
09:42:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141192 * PrySigneToFry * (+72) /* Suggested commands by PSTF */ new section
09:43:59 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141193&oldid=141191 * Ractangle * (+96)
09:45:18 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141194&oldid=141193 * Ractangle * (+39) /* Hello, world! */
09:45:52 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141195&oldid=141194 * MihaiEso * (+23)
09:59:17 <esolangs> [[+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141196&oldid=141186 * None1 * (+30)
09:59:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141197&oldid=141192 * None1 * (+244) /* Suggested commands by PSTF */
10:15:38 <esolangs> [[User:Emelang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141198&oldid=140948 * Ractangle * (+39)
10:18:38 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141199 * PkmnQ * (+3762) Created page with "== Booleans == {| class="wikitable" |- ! Constant !! Code |- | <code>False</code> || <code>__doc__.__bool__()</code> |- | <code>True</code> || <code>__doc__.__eq__(__doc__)</code> |} == Integers == {| class="wikitable" |- ! Constant !! Code |- | <code>-2
10:18:42 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141200&oldid=122655 * PkmnQ * (+166) /* Constants */
10:22:01 <esolangs> [[Snakel (Ractangle)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141201&oldid=140829 * Ractangle * (-6)
10:22:45 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/None1 again]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141202 * None1 * (+3048) Created page with "[[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again3]] is not crazy enough, so let's be crazier! 1. Take that shit: <pre> Palm mieJody park ten xic Jane monoing AreSlov..."
10:23:01 <esolangs> [[Bake]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141203&oldid=140764 * Ractangle * (+5)
10:23:48 <esolangs> [['Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141204&oldid=140698 * Ractangle * (-124) /* See also */
10:24:22 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/None1 again]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141205&oldid=141202 * None1 * (+1510)
10:24:49 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/None1 again]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141206&oldid=141205 * None1 * (+11)
10:26:04 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My words]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141207&oldid=141144 * PrySigneToFry * (+90)
10:26:57 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141208&oldid=141147 * None1 * (+45)
10:34:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141209&oldid=141154 * Ractangle * (+193) /* How does it move between cells */
10:36:52 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck/Esointerpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141210&oldid=136868 * None1 * (+4) /* Wenyan interpreters */
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10:40:00 <esolangs> [[Path (Ractangle)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141212&oldid=141211 * Ractangle * (+5)
10:40:16 <esolangs> [[PATH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141213&oldid=97531 * Ractangle * (+20)
10:45:24 <esolangs> [[Deadfish/Implementations (M-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141214&oldid=132725 * None1 * (+1795) /* WARP */
10:45:33 <esolangs> [[Deadfish/Implementations (M-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141215&oldid=141214 * None1 * (-1) /* Wenyan = */
10:46:01 <esolangs> [[Wenyan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141216&oldid=141004 * None1 * (+1776) /* Code Samples */
10:47:15 <esolangs> [[EsoInterpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141217&oldid=141007 * None1 * (+37) /* Main table */
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10:53:35 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141219&oldid=141071 * Ractangle * (+58) /* Python */
11:13:52 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141220&oldid=141199 * None1 * (+685) /* Lowercase letters */ Finish most of the items
11:14:58 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141221&oldid=141220 * None1 * (+87) /* Lowercase letters */
11:18:39 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141222&oldid=141221 * None1 * (-22)
11:24:24 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141223&oldid=141222 * None1 * (+266) /* Lowercase letters */
11:25:19 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141224&oldid=141223 * None1 * (+119) /* Lowercase letters */ Phew, finished!
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11:27:05 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My words]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141226&oldid=141207 * PrySigneToFry * (+22)
11:27:27 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141227&oldid=141224 * None1 * (+87)
11:27:35 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141228&oldid=141227 * None1 * (+0)
11:27:48 <esolangs> [[Constant]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141229&oldid=140197 * None1 * (+32) /* See also */
11:28:24 <esolangs> [[AH'TALIQUAE ENGLISH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141230&oldid=141136 * PrySigneToFry * (+19)
11:31:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:Python is Magic/Constants]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141231 * None1 * (+1204) Created page with "==<code>j</code> and <code>y</code>== You might be curious why the constants for <code>j</code> and <code>y</code> work, in fact, they come from the docs for str and __builtins__. str.__doc__: str(ob'''j'''ect=<nowiki>''</nowiki>) -> str str(byte
11:35:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141232&oldid=141231 * None1 * (+6)
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12:05:12 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141235&oldid=141169 * Ractangle * (-5) /* Esolangs */
12:10:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141236&oldid=141232 * PkmnQ * (+321)
12:18:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:Python is Magic/Constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141237&oldid=141236 * PkmnQ * (-19) Shorter backup j
12:23:39 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141238&oldid=141228 * PkmnQ * (-418) /* Lowercase letters */ Shorter letters
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12:45:12 <esolangs> [[Soh supplementary private use area-b u+10fffe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141240&oldid=130153 * YetAnotherAccount * (+55) me when i spread misinformation on the internet:
12:45:20 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141241&oldid=141238 * PkmnQ * (+362) /* Lowercase letters */ More docstrings
12:46:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141242&oldid=141239 * PkmnQ * (+271) /* j and y */
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13:12:41 <esolangs> [[A Language Programmed While Listening to Godspeed You! Black Emperor]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141243&oldid=94055 * YetAnotherAccount * (-2) /* Commands */ fix the grammatical
13:29:17 <esolangs> [[EsoInterpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141244&oldid=141217 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+960) Updated Deadfish links
13:36:05 <esolangs> [[JSFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141245&oldid=140196 * YetAnotherAccount * (+2) /* Description */ only creates the function, doesn't run it
13:37:37 <esolangs> [[Kak-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141246&oldid=93246 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-16)
13:40:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:Kak-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141247&oldid=137379 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+280)
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14:15:27 <esolangs> [[Anti-Machine language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141248&oldid=125970 * YetAnotherAccount * (-26) there's already a bunch of interpreters
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14:21:21 <esolangs> [[Beta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141250&oldid=120435 * YetAnotherAccount * (+1) dude what
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14:23:32 <esolangs> [[SIMPLE (the other one)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141252&oldid=122328 * Ractangle * (-13) /* Interpeter */
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14:45:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:16 bytes :P]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141258 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+17) Created page with " print(input());#"
14:46:30 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141259&oldid=133073 * Ractangle * (-30) /* Adding numbers */
14:46:43 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141260&oldid=141259 * Ractangle * (+2) /* A+B Problem */
14:49:22 <esolangs> [[User talk:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141261&oldid=131453 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+120)
14:49:50 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141262&oldid=141260 * Ractangle * (+24) /* Instructions */
14:50:00 <esolangs> [[5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141263&oldid=141256 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+15) /* 15 */
14:50:20 <esolangs> [[55]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141264 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+18) Redirected page to [[5#15]]
14:50:37 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141265&oldid=141262 * Ractangle * (-11) /* Instructions */
14:50:59 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141266&oldid=141265 * Ractangle * (-10) /* Instructions */
14:53:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:Calligulan Assembly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141267&oldid=86413 * Pro465 * (+115) /* A question */ answer
14:56:25 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Ractangle * uploaded "[[File:The dark reader at home.jpg]]"
14:57:07 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141269&oldid=141235 * Ractangle * (+149)
15:00:23 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141270&oldid=141195 * Ractangle * (+47)
15:00:56 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141271&oldid=141270 * Ractangle * (+27) /* Hello, world! */
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15:06:10 <esolangs> [[Python But WORST]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141273&oldid=135489 * PrySigneToFry * (+22)
15:08:54 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141274&oldid=141266 * Ractangle * (+60) /* A+B Problem */
15:11:19 <esolangs> [[Works in progress]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141275&oldid=141072 * Ractangle * (+10)
15:11:40 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141276&oldid=141274 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+10) /* Instructions */
15:12:51 <esolangs> [[Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141277&oldid=141218 * Ractangle * (-6) /* Interpriter */
15:14:12 <esolangs> [[Bite bytes]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141278 * Tommyaweosme * (+885) Created page with "{{lowercase}}bite bytes is a esolang that can interpret n byte programs easily. == commands == p? - prints ? (or variable if b) q?! - prints ? (or variable if b) shifted by ! ascii characters a? - saves to variable i - saves input to variable b - reference v
15:16:10 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141279&oldid=140833 * Tommyaweosme * (+78)
15:16:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141280&oldid=141279 * Tommyaweosme * (+5) /* grade wikipedia (translated to unname4798: -100000) */
15:19:40 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141281&oldid=141081 * Tommyaweosme * (+109) all of these people ''thanked'' ais523. with NO redeeming qualities found yet
15:21:45 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141282&oldid=141281 * Tommyaweosme * (+27) WHAT KIND OF HORRID MALICE IS MAKING A PAGE THAT JUST LEADS TO WIKIPEDIA?!??!?!?!!?
15:21:55 <impomatic> The Core War Tournament Weekend will be held at the Retro Computer Festival in Cambridge, UK, on 9-10 November. https://corewar.co.uk/tournamentweekend2024.htm
15:23:31 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141283&oldid=141282 * Tommyaweosme * (+29) ANOTHER ANTI-RESTORATION EVILIST
15:23:38 <esolangs> [[Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141284&oldid=141277 * Ractangle * (+139) /* Interpriter */
15:24:27 <esolangs> [[Hum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141285&oldid=141284 * Ractangle * (+43) /* Commands */
15:27:46 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141286&oldid=141283 * Tommyaweosme * (+34) he deleted wikipedian propoganda off of esowiki, which is good, but then asked for the creator to positively contribute to wikipedia?!?!?!?!?! this is complete neutral behavior, these acts cancel out eachother.
15:28:06 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141287&oldid=141286 * Tommyaweosme * (+19)
15:32:08 <esolangs> [[(ch34t) c0d3]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141288 * Xff * (+1139) Created page with "'''(ch34t) c0d3''' is an esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its 2d and has only 4 commands. kinda? well see concept. the commands are: >v ^< which are code pointer arrows which changes its direction. its starts going left in lower right corner. memory is a stack
15:32:32 <esolangs> [[Tenglish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141289 * Tommyaweosme * (+232) Created page with "{{lowercase}}tenglish is [[user:tommyaweosme|tommyaweosme]] english as a kinda programming language. == commands == see a library of commands at [[tenglish/commands]] == examples == see a library of examples at [[tenglish/examples]]"
15:32:50 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/examples]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141290 * Tommyaweosme * (+35) Created page with "''this page is not being made yet''"
15:33:08 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/commands]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141291 * Tommyaweosme * (+43) Created page with "''this is placeholder for soon-to-be-page''"
15:35:40 <esolangs> [[(ch34t) c0d3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141292&oldid=141288 * Xff * (+202) /* commands */
15:38:28 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/commands]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141293&oldid=141291 * Tommyaweosme * (+504)
15:39:08 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/operations]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141294 * Tommyaweosme * (+76) Created page with " add subtract multiply divide concat factorial modulo round round to nearest"
15:39:42 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141295&oldid=141287 * Tommyaweosme * (+29) very good content yay
15:43:58 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/commands]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141296&oldid=141293 * Tommyaweosme * (+14)
15:44:08 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/operations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141297&oldid=141294 * Tommyaweosme * (+14)
15:48:01 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141298&oldid=140972 * Xff * (+19) /* esolangs */
16:00:54 <esolangs> [[Pointstack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141299&oldid=137466 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1060) Added Turing-completenees proof
16:01:50 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141300&oldid=140091 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+16) /* Turing-completness Proofs */ added Pointstack
16:05:53 <PCWWWWW> feedback plz: https://esolangs.org/wiki/P%E2%86%92P%27
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16:58:32 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/esolangs in ten words or less]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141301 * Tommyaweosme * (+734) Created page with " [[slashalash|///]] - if regex were turing complete: [[!English]], [[^English]], [[tenglish]], [[english]], etc. - cheating [[asciidots]] - befunge+wireworld [[brainfuck]] - this language is fun ++++[>no wait its not-<]>.
17:05:09 <esolangs> [[Llec]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141302&oldid=118934 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+802) /* Examples */
17:12:24 <esolangs> [[Python is Magic/Constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141303&oldid=141241 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) Category
17:24:14 <esolangs> [[Tenglish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141304&oldid=141289 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+69) Categories
17:24:33 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/operations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141305&oldid=141297 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+19) Back
17:25:02 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/operations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141306&oldid=141305 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) Lowercase
17:25:10 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/examples]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141307&oldid=141290 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+19) Back
17:25:24 <esolangs> [[Tenglish/examples]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141308&oldid=141307 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+14) Lowercase
17:28:19 <esolangs> [[(ch34t) c0d3]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141309&oldid=141292 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+174) Categories
17:33:30 <esolangs> [[Bite bytes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141310&oldid=141278 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+178) Links, categories
17:35:46 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141311&oldid=141280 * Ractangle * (+220) /* I have the same born year with you. */
17:36:11 <esolangs> [[A Language Programmed While Listening to Godspeed You! Black Emperor]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141312&oldid=141243 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* Commands */ n
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17:52:00 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141313&oldid=141103 * Unname4798 * (+29) create the worst grade possible, just like how [[User:tommyaweosme]] did
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20:31:21 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141317&oldid=141316 * Ractangle * (+44)
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20:36:58 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141319&oldid=141318 * Ractangle * (+156) /* Hello, world! */
20:37:34 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141320&oldid=141319 * Ractangle * (+34) /* Syntax */
20:39:00 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141321&oldid=141320 * Ractangle * (+35) /* Syntax */
20:39:29 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141322&oldid=141321 * Ractangle * (+5) /* Truth-machine */
20:40:42 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141323&oldid=141322 * Ractangle * (+1) You can put variables outside the code block
20:41:14 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141324&oldid=141323 * Ractangle * (+6) /* Hello, world! */
20:41:24 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141325&oldid=141324 * Ractangle * (+5) /* Truth-machine */
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20:44:13 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141327&oldid=141326 * Ractangle * (+81) /* Truth-machine */
20:44:39 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141328&oldid=141327 * Ractangle * (-2) /* Truth-machine */
20:45:50 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141329&oldid=138281 * Ractangle * (+82) /* !@#$%^&*()_+ */
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20:56:58 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141331&oldid=141328 * Ractangle * (+277) /* Examples */
20:57:17 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141332&oldid=141331 * Ractangle * (+11) /* A+B Problem */
20:58:39 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141333&oldid=139860 * Ractangle * (+153) /* Implementations */
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21:16:03 <esolangs> [[!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141335&oldid=141332 * Ractangle * (+0) /* A+B Problem */
21:16:24 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141336&oldid=141333 * Ractangle * (+1) /* ! */
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22:34:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141337&oldid=141120 * Ais523 * (+417) /* is this cheating??? */ if you use data from outside the program it isn't really a quine unless you print that too
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23:13:24 <esolangs> [[Empty Program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141338&oldid=141334 * None1 * (+40) /* Brainfuck */
23:37:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_add * Ais523 * Ais523 added prefix "bbchallenge" (https://wiki.bbchallenge.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) to the interwiki table: as a wiki concerned primarily with Turing machines, it covers similar topics to this one and interwiki links between the two are likely
00:02:07 <Sgeo> Ooh, neat way to learn about other neat wikis
00:07:57 <esolangs> [[Feed the Chaos]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141339 * Ais523 * (+8098) new language!
00:08:46 <ais523> Sgeo: I think the ability to change the interwiki table is very new, as in the last month or so
00:10:39 <ais523> meanwhile, for the first time in ages I have written a language with BF-style comments (i.e. every noncommand is a comment), but the command list is different from BF and it is hard to get out of the habit of avoiding BF commands specifically when writing that sort of comment
00:11:12 <ais523> I get full stop! and parentheses! but not slashes, which I normally use as a universal punctuation mark when commenting BF
00:11:30 <ais523> well, slashes and semicolons, semicolons replace commands and slashes replace parentheses
00:11:44 <Sgeo> Are "program counter" and "control counter" synonyms?
00:12:02 <ais523> no, I just used the wrong word
00:12:13 <esolangs> [[Feed the Chaos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141340&oldid=141339 * Ais523 * (+0) /* Specification */ fix use of the wrong word
00:12:27 <ais523> it was right everywhere else, I'm not sure how I did that
00:13:32 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141341&oldid=141160 * Ais523 * (+21) /* F */ +[[Feed the Chaos]]
00:14:03 <esolangs> [[User:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141342&oldid=140556 * Ais523 * (+20) +[[Feed the Chaos]]
00:16:08 <b_jonas> well, you can also ensure to have a spare cell that you can zero and then put the comment into brackets whose body doesn't run
00:16:36 <b_jonas> that also works in underload and consumer society
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00:28:39 <esolangs> [[Feed the Chaos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141343&oldid=141340 * Ais523 * (+0) /* Computational class */ move a misplaced parenthetical to the right place
00:29:23 <ais523> b_jonas: not in Feed the Chaos, it has no control flow, not even if statements
00:30:06 <ais523> I find languages with no explicit control flow interesting because most of the TCness problems for languages with general control flow have been solved already
00:30:45 <ais523> also, most of the time when I was commenting BF, it was actually BF Joust, where you can't rely on a cell still being 0 after you've zeroed it and where {} don't work as parentheses because they mean something else
00:34:49 <shachaf> A lot of concurrency memory models have a problem with "out-of-thin-air values", where it's not strictly forbidden for memory to be set to a value that didn't come from any thread.
00:35:09 <shachaf> Are there any sorts of wacky languages where this kind of behavior could actually happen?
00:37:14 <ais523> it can happen on hardware quite easily with simultaneous nonatomic writes, e.g. thread A writes half the value, thread B writes the whole value, then thread A wries the other half
00:37:21 <ais523> and now the value is half from A and half from B
00:38:11 <shachaf> Sure, but I mean with atomic writes.
00:38:16 <ais523> in a way it's harder to see it happening in an esoteric system than a practical one, esoteric concurrency usually has a lot more things as atomic than real-world hardware
00:38:55 <ais523> the lowest atomicity level most languages have is relaxed atomicity, and in that the value stored in the variable must necessarily come from some thread
00:39:11 <ais523> are there models with less atomicity than that (but still nonzero amounts)?
00:39:22 <shachaf> https://hboehm.info/c++mm/thin_air.html is one discussion of this.
00:39:43 <shachaf> My understanding is that this is surprisingly tricky to rule out in many memory models.
00:40:20 <ais523> oh, I see, it just needs a basic causality paradox, which the definitions often don't disallow
00:40:57 <shachaf> I guess there are more plausibly wacky languages that have some sort of time travel semantics that could allow for this, but don't have it come up specifically with concurrency.
00:41:05 <ais523> and this is "allowed" with relaxed atomics as they don't require the loads to be ordered with respect to other threads
00:43:19 <esolangs> [[Feed the Chaos]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141344&oldid=141343 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+9) /* Interpreter */ Nowiki
00:46:59 <shachaf> Are there esoteric languages with other wackadoodle memory ordering things?
00:49:14 <ais523> it wouldn't surprise me if there aren't, most esolangs aren't concurrent, and most of the ones that aren't are very atomic
00:50:05 <ais523> the concurrent programming category on Esolang has 79 languages in it
00:52:00 <ais523> also, many concurrent esolangs use a form of concurrency other than shared-memory concurrency
00:52:42 <shachaf> Hmm, you can still maybe have interesting ordering issues in other worlds.
00:52:47 <shachaf> But I wonder what they'd be like.
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01:13:22 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Specil:DoubleRedirects]]": cross-namespace redirect; also, abusive use of mixed-script words
01:25:17 <esolangs> [[5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141345&oldid=141263 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+63)
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02:04:43 <b_jonas> oh sure, in Bgjoust that doesn't work
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02:19:26 <esolangs> [[DIVSPL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141346&oldid=129428 * Corbin * (+94) /* Implementations */ I've actually written an RPython version of this as well! I won't say whether mine is faster than Dustin's.
02:27:06 <esolangs> [[5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141347&oldid=141345 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-39)
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03:29:27 <b_jonas> ais523: Bfjoust has abbreviations though, so you can write (...anything...)*0 for a comment
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03:37:37 <ais523> b_jonas: that isn't very golfy though
03:38:15 <ais523> which matters for some of my programs – there was one where I had to go and delete a substantial portion of the code that wasn't used against any machine currently on the hill in order to fit it into the size limit
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04:08:28 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141349&oldid=141149 * Iddi01 * (+33) /* See also */
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05:03:26 <esolangs> [[(ch34t) c0d3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141356&oldid=141309 * Gggfr * (+1) /* commands */
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05:11:18 <ipadwwwww> hey ais523 if you can answer here, is this esolang properly defined(underload related): https://esolangs.org/wiki/P→P%27
05:12:22 <ais523> ipadwwwww: I find the definition hard to understand, at least
05:13:04 <esolangs> [[PP']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141358&oldid=141101 * Gggfr * (+5)
05:13:08 <ais523> normally I try to make esolang pages self-contained, if I can, i.e. even if something is documented elsewhere I try to make it so that it's possible to understand the esolang just from its own page
05:13:43 <ipadwwwww> yea but it would be veyry hard because how the notation is explained
05:13:48 <ais523> the superscript L and R aren't actually part of Underload at all, for example, they're part of a Turing-completeness proof for it
05:14:39 <ais523> and I don't have the proof memorised
05:14:46 <ipadwwwww> yes. but as of what i know it looks like it creates programs for underload(am i wrong there?) so here thats what we use it for
05:15:43 <ais523> well, L and R are functions that take a subset of Underload code as argument, and generate Underload code
05:15:48 <ais523> but they aren't defined on all possible code
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05:16:28 <ipadwwwww> but them how have some of the, generated underload code without an input program
05:17:28 <ais523> RL is a separate operation from L and R
05:17:53 <ipadwwwww> yes but you can still write it with L and R so you just do that
05:21:12 <ais523> anyway, a bigger problem is that L and R aren't actually defined for programs that contain any characters other than ():^ and aren't defined for all of those either
05:22:49 <ais523> ah, that's not quite right, they're defined for S as well
05:23:36 <ais523> anyway, P is not a command at all – it is a placeholder used to define L and R
05:24:40 <ais523> L and R are (partial) functions, and P is the name that was given to their argument when defining them
05:25:01 <ais523> e.g. : is defined as mapping (x) to (x) (x), that doesn't mean that x is an Underload character
05:25:19 <ais523> it's just a placeholder used to explain how the command works
05:25:58 <esolangs> [[PP']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141359&oldid=141358 * Gggfr * (+219) /* syntax */
05:28:09 <ais523> I think the more interesting way to think about this is to imagine what would happen if you added an Underload combinator that took one argument and tried to return its L and R (you have to have one combinator that returns both because there is more than one possible choice of return value, but the choice has to match between the L and the R)
05:28:46 <ais523> unfortunately I suspect that if you try to generalise L and R to all of Underload, you end up with an uncomputable combinator (basically because it doesn't work on nonhalting programs but you can't figure out which ones are halting)
05:29:14 <ais523> ooh! but you could define it to go into an infinite loop if run on a nonhalting program, and solve the problem that way
05:29:23 <ais523> it's not like it has a sensible return value anyway
05:29:43 <ais523> if run on a nonhalting program, so an infinite loop is an obvious choice for the thing to do instead
05:30:05 <ais523> because a) it's a reasonable error value and b) it means that you can do the halting test computably
05:30:35 <ais523> you just run it and see if it halts
05:30:43 <ais523> if it doesn't, you get an infinite loop
05:30:56 <ipadwwwww> you would have to do it for infinite time
05:31:08 <ais523> well, if it halts, it'll halt eventually
05:31:19 <ais523> and if it doesn't then you get an infinite loop, which was defined as the behaviour if given an onhalting program
05:31:30 <ais523> so you get the right behaviour in both cases
05:31:46 <ais523> I am pretty sure I have used this trick before, but can't remember where
05:32:18 <ais523> anyway, the other problem with this idea is that L and R are only interesting in a version of Underload that doesn't have !
05:32:27 <ipadwwwww> couldnt you use the lambda calculus stuff to do this combinator
05:32:36 <ais523> or, hmm, maybe they can be interesting even with it
05:32:49 <ais523> R is uninteresting, it just becomes a lot of !, but L is still interesting
05:32:59 <ais523> it's basically a question of "what can be put on the stack to make this program halt?"
05:33:50 <ais523> and if there's any input that can do that, it is possible to find it by brute force via running the program on all possible inputs in parallel until one of them halts (starting the parallel runs one at a time so that you can actually get started)
05:34:07 <ais523> yes, the result would be a function that pushes the desired stack state when executed
05:34:35 <ais523> e.g. take the program (:^)*:^, that halts if given the input ()(!), so the result would be (()(!))
05:34:55 <ais523> ^ul ()(!)(:^)*:^(finished)S
05:35:08 <ipadwwwww> just push all the elements needed?
05:35:13 <HackEso> /hackenv/bin/!: line 4: /hackenv/ibin/ul: No such file or directory
05:35:28 <ais523> yes, assuming you want it to work like L from the proof
05:35:41 <HackEso> ls: cannot access 'hackenv/ibin': No such file or directory
05:35:45 <HackEso> 1l \ 2l \ 7 \ adjust \ asm \ asmbf \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ brachylog \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ help \ java \ k \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ lua \ malbolge \ pbrain \ perl \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ slashes \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda \ whirl
05:35:52 <ais523> `! underload ()(!)(:^)*:^
05:36:21 <ais523> I picked (:^)*:^ as an example because it cannot be made to halt with only empty elements
05:39:33 <ipadwwwww> what condition do you need for R in this combinator
05:40:14 <ais523> so basically L produces a stack state from which the argument halts, and R pops the elements that it produced while running
05:40:31 <ais523> R is only interesting in Underload-without-! because if you have !, popping elements is easy
05:41:25 <ipadwwwww> can i het help when im done wi5 editing
05:41:26 <ais523> and the output of R depends on the output of L because there can be more than one input that lets it halt, producing a stack of different depth
05:42:56 <esolangs> [[PP']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141360&oldid=141359 * Gggfr * (+329) /* syntax */
05:45:46 <esolangs> [[Why tho]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141361&oldid=140325 * Gggfr * (+77) /* computational class */
05:46:28 <ais523> anyway, I think I wouldn't use a language like that – it is basically Underload without `a`, with different syntax, and with a few extra commands that I'm not sure why I'd use them
05:46:49 <ais523> I would be more likely to just write in Underload-without-`a` directly, if I had a reason to do that
05:47:11 <ais523> or, well, without `a` and `~`
05:47:21 <ais523> without `a` you don't get `~` for free
05:47:40 <esolangs> [[Kwert]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141362&oldid=107539 * Arctenik * (+885) Add halt command
05:47:53 <ipadwwwww> whatwas the esolang logo name agian
05:48:27 <ais523> I don't know if it has an official name, but the wiki's logo is called a trilime sometimes, because it has three slices of lime in it
05:48:36 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141363&oldid=141336 * Ractangle * (+88) /* ! */
05:48:54 <ais523> the image was originally a placeholder, but we liked it so it stayed around
05:49:35 <ipadwwwww> ok i got an esolang idea from the trilime
05:51:20 <ais523> I need to go to bed soon, but there may still be time
05:51:27 <ais523> I am trying to figure out an esolang idea myself at hte moment
05:51:56 <ais523> which I started working on in 2018 but couldn't figure it out
05:52:42 <ipadwwwww> that takes the three symbols currently pointed to
05:52:58 <ipadwwwww> you can also append this string to the program
05:54:34 <ais523> the basic idea was "a continuous version of The Waterfall Model", and I think you make it work by a) getting rid of the steady decrement, b) having zeroing triggers instead be velocities that are applied to the other counters while a counter is zero (counters don't change themeselves away from zero), c) allow two counters to be simultaneously zero only if one decreases the other and the other increases the original (in which case it's the increasing trigger
05:55:12 <ais523> in order to make that esolang work you will have to find an interesting way to make the wheels matter
05:55:28 <ais523> what prevents people just leaving them in place and changing the current symbol
05:55:53 <ais523> you don't understand the "rules"/semantics of The Waterfall Model? or how to write in it?
05:56:17 <ipadwwwww> well writing is only possible with the semantics
05:56:32 <ais523> The Waterfall Model Online might help <http://nethack4.org/esolangs/waterfall/>
05:57:34 <ais523> although it might still be a bit hard to understand, it has a few tools to help, such as an example program that gives you explanation when you hover over the cells (probably doesn't work well on an ipad) and an interpreter/bugger
05:59:06 <ais523> * interpreter/debugger
05:59:36 <ais523> a tool for putting bugs *into* programs would be nicely esoteric, but probably not very useful (it is easy enough to do by hand if you want to)
06:00:28 <ipadwwwww> computation would be like looking for errors
06:00:55 <ais523> there's at least one great "naturally occuring" esolang like that
06:01:26 <ais523> using page faults, which are a type of error-like thing that occurs when a program tries to access a memory address that doesn't correspond to physical memory
06:01:59 <ais523> normally that causes a segmentation fault, but it can sometimes happen legitimately because the kernel swapped the memory out to disk, or because it's a memory-mapped file that hasn't been read from disk yet
06:03:02 <ais523> someone found a way to make pagefaults continuously trigger each other in a way that was Turing-complete-up-to-memory-restrictions, allowing programs to be run on a typical computer despite no CPU instructions running
06:05:37 <ipadwwwww> anyway ill make a waterfall model syntax
06:06:32 <ais523> found it: https://github.com/jbangert/trapcc
06:06:38 <ais523> we should probably have an article about that?
06:11:40 <korvo> I'll do it. We already have a page [[Mov]] covering the Movfuscator, a similar vibe.
06:14:26 <korvo> ais523: Is [[Category:Esoteric subset]] alright for this? Ideally we'd have [[Category:Weird machines]], which is for the more general situation of an esoteric set with a weird superset of semantics.
06:15:06 <ais523> korvo: the esoteric subset category is a mess, putting the article there until we figure out the best place for it won't make more of a mess
06:15:50 <ais523> it would technically fit in the implementations category, but I'm not sure that that would actually be a useful categorisation (it's interesting not because of the implemented language but because of the implementing language)
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06:22:25 <ipadwwwww> ais523 does the limit of waterclock values needed?
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06:26:40 <ais523> ipadwwwww: could you rephrase the question? I think it may have been mistranslated
06:27:20 <ipadwwwww> does there need to be a limit of the waterclocks
06:27:35 <ais523> korvo: hmm, now I look at trapcc again, it says the instructions are "move, branch if zero, decrement" which become an LBA if generalized to infinite memory rather than Turing-complete (unless you have indirect addressing and arbitrarily many negative addresses)
06:28:06 <ais523> ipadwwwww: the waterclocks can store any positive integer, that's the only way the language has access to infinite memory
06:28:28 <ipadwwwww> but on the online thing it says it needs a limit
06:28:31 <ais523> in practice, when a program needs to be able to store arbitrary amounts of data, it normally stores them by using the digits of a number like a stack
06:28:57 <ais523> oh, the limit is to tell the interpreter the largest number in the original program, not the largest number that might be reached during execution
06:29:59 <ais523> it's partly to allow it to know how much memory to allocate when reading the program in, and partly so that a particular implementation would work correctly (it needed a number in the top-left corner that was bigger than the other numbers on the top row)
06:30:21 <ais523> neither of these are really good reasons, but that was the mood I was in at the time – I probably wouldn't do that nowadays
06:31:52 <ipadwwwww> your rlly good at esolang. i wish i was too
06:32:09 <ais523> I've had a lot of practice
06:32:19 <ais523> my first esolang was so bad I didn't even post it on the wiki
06:33:23 <ais523> I can't remember exactly how it worked, but memory was a hex grid where each grid element was made out of four ASCII characters, and I think there was an instruction pointer, but commands only read and wrote to grid elements adjacent to the comand itself
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06:33:49 <ais523> I was intending to make some sort of point about the wire-crossing problem, but the language didn't really make the point I wanted to make and also I wasn't entirely sure what it was
06:36:15 <ais523> Underload was a lot more successful, but I kind-of created that one by accident (it's a subset of a terrible language called Overload I was working on but never worked out most of the details for – Overload would probably be considered in the "golfing language" genre in today's terminology)
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06:37:09 <esolangs> [[Page fault]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141364 * Corbin * (+952) Hack out a stub. Need to think for a few more minutes before writing an intro.
06:37:50 <ais523> the vast majority of Overload was never finished or specified – it had pointers to other parts of the data/program, which acted like goto statements if you tried to execute them, and they could be navigated through the sexp tree using A and D for car and cdr, and a and d to do the inverse movements
06:38:09 <ais523> and those were overloaded to work on lists too, which is how the `a` command from Underload got its name
06:38:39 <ais523> pointers were intended to use identifiers in square brackets to show the source and target (I think the pointer target was [name] and the pointer itself was ]name[?), which is why you can't put square brackets in an Underload program
06:38:59 <korvo> Actually, I'm not gonna write an intro paragraph. The WP page does a decent job of explaining how a healthy MMU should work.
06:39:05 <ais523> (I can no longer remember why you can't put angle brackeys there)
06:39:47 <ais523> the category is just "Concepts" rather than "Esoteric concepts", IIRC
06:49:41 <korvo> Ah, yeah, I suppose only that one section is esoteric.
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11:13:14 <b_jonas> for categorizing trapcc, it should go to the same category into which we put the article about construction to run computations on M:tG
11:13:38 <b_jonas> the problem is, that article isn't on the wiki
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11:17:20 <b_jonas> do I understand that The Waterfall Model is known to be TC with 6 counters? because I don't see https://esolangs.org/wiki/The_Waterfall_Model mentioning this explicitly, and it would be interesting to know
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11:18:48 <int-e> b_jonas: https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-09-28.html#lC
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11:20:13 <b_jonas> ais523 "an LBA if generalized to infinite memory … unless you have … arbitrarily many negative addresses" => x86 supports negative addresses almost as easily as positive addresses, so I think the correct generalization to infinite memory would have arbitrarily many infinite addresses.
11:21:07 <b_jonas> of course it's hard to tell what that generalization is, since the addresses are just 64-bit integers, but you could at least have 2**54 bytes or so memory, more than most computers have RAM
11:22:01 <int-e> ...related: the A20 gate
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11:33:02 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again4]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141419 * PrySigneToFry * (+3153) Created page with "[[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again4]] is not crazy enough, so let's be crazier!(from PSTF) 1. Take this completely smashed file <pre> SS NSMAe LDFCNAAANLSID CNE Scmnlsdaei5 Bobbinltaalaa Klindlfhark BBNLTALtfdl BLBL Ud,n DinnaiiennnltU,
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11:34:38 <esolangs> [[User:B jonas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141424&oldid=139437 * B jonas * (+63) /* Todo */
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11:35:50 <b_jonas> ais523 "memory was a hex grid where each grid element was made out of four ASCII characters, and I think there was an instruction pointer, but commands only read and wrote to grid elements adjacent to the comand itself" => that sounds like the ICFP 2004 language, but the description for that doesn't seem to credit you so it's not likely
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11:43:37 <esolangs> [[Translated !Romanian]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141432 * None1 * (+1596) Created page with "Translated !Romanian is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]], it is [[!Romanian]] but horribly translated with Baidu. ==Steps== 1. Original program <pre> Program truth, intare, ieire nceput Citete truth Dac truth = 0 atunci Scrie 0 Ct ti
11:45:31 <b_jonas> I mean the grid elements aren't *explicitly* represented as four ascii characters in that. each grid element that isn't rocky contains 6 bits of red ant pheromones, 6 bits of black ant pheromones, possibly one of 182 ants with a numbered identity (the numbers are important because they give the order that they execute their instructions) with their finite control in one of 10000 states and an
11:45:37 <b_jonas> orientation that can be facing any of the 6 neighbors, and an amount of food with 480 total food around the board. that's a bit too much state for four ascii characters, but it's not unreasonable to store the state of the 182 ants separately, and perhaps even an overflow list for the cells with lots of food (there can't be many such cells) separately. if you go radical and even the position of the 182
11:45:43 <b_jonas> ants is separate then the rest would fit in four ascii characters, but you don't want that because you probably want to be able to look up the ant from its position because of how ants interact. still, it could be a precursor language for ICFP 2004.
11:47:42 <b_jonas> my first esolang was psz, I should at some point write about its story a little bit and explain what bad decision I made developing it that ruined it.
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11:56:12 <b_jonas> a larger language called Overload => indeed, that explains why most of the commands have strange names. I can understand * and ^ , and : could be from Befunge, but ! and ~ and a and S seem strange
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11:59:07 <b_jonas> although now I wonder if that's any later language that uses ! or ~ or a or S for similar things because the notation is inspired by Underload
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12:48:29 <esolangs> [[!HOR]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141447 * Ractangle * (+187) Created page with "This is basically [[!]] but horribly translated ==Codes ig== Truth-machine (An introduction). Start with your hand. (I = "0") please {"0"; stop} (I = "1") {repeat (1) {"1";}}."
12:51:48 <esolangs> [[GolfScratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141448&oldid=109033 * Ractangle * (+2) /* Commands */
12:52:13 <esolangs> [[GolfScratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141449&oldid=141448 * Ractangle * (+3) /* Hello World */
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13:09:56 <wWwwW> hey ais523 if you see this, how do you come up with esolang names?
13:10:21 <ais523> it can be difficult, normally I don't try too hard
13:10:48 <ais523> many of them are references to vaguely programming-related things that I think would be funny to reference
13:11:09 <wWwwW> how did you come up with incidents time
13:11:12 <ais523> and the rest are just descriptive, e.g. Bouncy Counters is an esolang formed of counters that bounce back to -1 if you put them to 0
13:11:42 <ais523> if I think an esolang deserves a particularly good name I try harder, I had several days to think about Incident and to name it
13:11:58 <ais523> that one was made for a competition so I put additional effort into it
13:12:00 <wWwwW> but where does it "come from"
13:12:21 <ais523> I can't remember – I remember where I was at the time, but not what I was thinking
13:12:54 <ais523> sometimes it is just a case of figuring out a meaning you want for the name, and going through all the possible synonyms until you find one with a fun seond meaning
13:13:12 <ais523> with that one, I had enough time that I might just have seen the word "incident" somewhere and realised it was a good fit for the language
13:13:13 <wWwwW> why did i do that lol
13:13:25 <ais523> wiki editor's instinct :-)
13:13:53 <ais523> I am not sure whether the "incident report" pun came before or after the language's name, or simultaneously
13:14:13 <wWwwW> i came up with a stupid esolang concept
13:14:24 <ais523> maybe I should keep records of these things
13:14:46 <ais523> Esimpl is a great name, that was originally just an abbreviation and then I spotted the second possible etymology
13:15:23 <ais523> esimpl's designed as an efficient assembly language for compiling into esolangs, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esimpl
13:15:32 <ais523> but I haven't gotten around to actually doing much with it
13:15:47 <ais523> there's an interpreter, and a BF implementation I wrote to check that the interpreter worked and that the language worked
13:16:44 <ais523> the next step is probably to write a self-interpreter, the entire syntax was designed to make that efficient, but I haven't even got that far
13:17:05 <ais523> the language I'm currently working on, I spent a few hours trying to come up with a good name
13:17:21 <wWwwW> can i try for you?
13:17:52 <b_jonas> a stereotypical waterfall is discrete because all the water falls down in one single vertical step, so a more continuous version would be just a steep river
13:17:55 <ais523> my current plan is "Delta Relay" – I decided I wanted "relay" in the name because it has two meanings that both fit the language, and I wanted (for this language) a name that sounds cool – "delta" sounds cool whilst also fitting the way the language worked
13:18:26 <ais523> I did try variations on "waterfall" but decided it didn't fit the way the language works, because waterfalls don't flow upwards
13:18:53 <b_jonas> turn the river in its bed?
13:19:22 <ais523> I vaguely remember seeing a garden on the TV which had a water feature that was an optical illusion and appeared to flow upwards, even though it actually didn't
13:19:35 <ais523> but that wasn't directly upwards, it looked slightly above horizontal (when in fact it was slightly below horizontal)
13:19:41 <b_jonas> yeah, there's already a Homespring with salmon swimming upstream
13:20:24 <ais523> ooh, I haven't thought about Homespring in a while
13:21:16 <ais523> it is one of the classic esolangs; my main criticism is that "snowmelt" is too blunt an instrument and doesn't compose nicely with other features of the language (or indeed wiht anything really) and basically just exists as half a halt signal
13:21:33 <ais523> but it's good for advertising the language at least
13:21:48 <wWwwW> what is the f'ing chance
13:21:54 <wWwwW> you talk about homespring
13:21:58 <ais523> (also, the syntax is bizarre, which is mostly fine, but the multiple-word command names that need their internal spaces to be escaped are ugly)
13:22:01 <wWwwW> i click random page
13:22:09 <wWwwW> and go TO HOMESPRING PAGE
13:22:12 <b_jonas> ais523: can you edit https://esolangs.org/wiki/The_Waterfall_Model to explicitly say that it's Turing-complete with seven clocks, rather than just link to https://esolangs.org/wiki/Spiral_Rise which gives the construction
13:22:31 <ais523> higher if you clicked the button more than once
13:23:10 <ais523> b_jonas: I'm not comfortable with doing that until the whole thing is better-tested
13:23:12 <wWwwW> whats a good place to write esolang
13:23:24 <wWwwW> uploading it to wiki
13:23:34 <ais523> wWwwW: I use a text editor for that
13:23:44 <ais523> and save in a file on my own computer
13:23:47 <b_jonas> yeah, text editor with local file
13:24:04 <wWwwW> i use hackMD usually
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13:30:11 <b_jonas> I still find the upside down Piet draft funny
13:31:58 <b_jonas> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Piet#Notes
13:32:13 <b_jonas> (and not very much related https://www.sandraandwoo.com/2012/08/23/0405-the-archer/ )
13:33:10 <wWwwW> oh thats rlly funny
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13:34:33 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141451&oldid=141295 * Tommyaweosme * (+29) stop labeling memorials as jokes its not funny [[user:ractangle]]
13:34:49 <wWwwW> wanna make an esolang with me idk? im bored and i wanna make an esolang. i have *an idea* but its not close to completion
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14:05:56 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuckconsole74]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141455&oldid=140280 * None1 * (+292)
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14:14:59 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141457&oldid=141451 * Tommyaweosme * (-1) none1 did the same atrocities that ractangle commited
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14:34:39 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141463&oldid=141457 * Tommyaweosme * (+0) wow none1's in deep shit now
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14:42:12 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141468&oldid=141298 * Yayimhere * (+203) /* things about me */
14:47:47 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141469&oldid=141429 * None1 * (+387) /* Delete page */ new section
14:55:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:Memorial language list]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141470 * Yayimhere * (+145) Created page with "this is just an excuse to promote BBTOS <code>[!~~~~</code>"
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16:09:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:(ch34t) c0d3]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141480 * Yayimhere * (+241) Created page with "what about the actual cheat codes. if you pop without and elemnt TO pop you get an error(ned to write that) ill also add more comamnds <code>[!~~~~]</code>"
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16:12:07 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bbtos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141483&oldid=141471 * Tommyaweosme * (+347)
16:12:56 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141484&oldid=141472 * Tommyaweosme * (+1) omfg hes so nice infiltrating the other side 4 us :D
16:13:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Memorial language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141485&oldid=141474 * Tommyaweosme * (+288)
16:14:17 <esolangs> [[(ch34t) c0d3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141486&oldid=141481 * Yayimhere * (+179) /* commands */
16:14:27 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141487&oldid=141484 * Tommyaweosme * (-1) for those who hate me, i show no mercy. >:3
16:15:34 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141488 * Yayimhere * (+199) Created page with "ok thx now im one some stupid list so i have a reason to call this stupid and not needed </code>^^^>~~~~^></code>"
16:15:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141489&oldid=141488 * Yayimhere * (-1)
16:15:59 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141490&oldid=141469 * Tommyaweosme * (+248) /* Delete page */
16:16:11 <esolangs> [[(ch34t) c0d3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141491&oldid=141486 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+74)
16:16:26 <esolangs> [[(ch34t) c0d3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141492&oldid=141491 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+4) /* Computational class */
16:18:24 <esolangs> [[Nine-hundred-eleven]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141493 * Tommyaweosme * (+411) Created page with "{{lowercase}}nine-hundred-eleven is a memorial language of 9/11. it was made on 9/11/2024, but uploaded to esolangs on 9/29/2024 == commands == food and water - increments cell at pointer by one tower 1 - moves pointer backwards tower 2 - moves pointe
16:18:42 <esolangs> [[Memorial language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141494&oldid=140776 * Tommyaweosme * (+24)
16:19:50 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141495&oldid=141487 * Tommyaweosme * (+0) i never thought none1 could be worse. disrespecting the thousands who died in 9/11 *sob* the hundreds hurt in the sandbox attacks *sob* the millions dead in world war 2
16:20:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141496&oldid=141489 * Tommyaweosme * (+288)
16:21:09 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141497&oldid=141495 * Tommyaweosme * (+0)
16:21:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Memorial language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141498&oldid=141485 * Yayimhere * (+156)
16:21:24 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141499&oldid=141497 * Tommyaweosme * (+0)
16:22:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Memorial language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141500&oldid=141498 * Tommyaweosme * (+411)
16:23:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141501&oldid=141496 * Yayimhere * (+215)
16:24:50 <wWwwW> ill send ye a maessage. if you decline then yea
16:25:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141502&oldid=141501 * Ractangle * (+238) /* okay what the fuck does this even mean? */ new section
16:26:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141503&oldid=141502 * Tommyaweosme * (-140) auto-deleted, sory \_()_/
16:27:08 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141504&oldid=141503 * Tommyaweosme * (+312)
16:27:58 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141505&oldid=141504 * Yayimhere * (+189) /* okay what the fuck does this even mean? */
16:28:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141506&oldid=141505 * Ractangle * (+4)
16:30:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141507&oldid=141506 * Tommyaweosme * (-115) auto-deleted, sory \_()_/
16:30:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141508&oldid=141490 * Ractangle * (+39) /* Delete page */
16:31:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141509&oldid=141508 * Ractangle * (+170) /* Delete page */
16:32:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141510&oldid=141507 * Unname4798 * (+36)
16:33:30 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141511&oldid=141510 * Yayimhere * (+115) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/141507|141507]] by [[Special:Contributions/Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]] ([[User talk:Tommyaweosme|talk]])
16:33:55 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141512&oldid=141511 * Yayimhere * (+140) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/141503|141503]] by [[Special:Contributions/Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]] ([[User talk:Tommyaweosme|talk]])
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16:41:09 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141514&oldid=141499 * Tommyaweosme * (+0)
16:46:15 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Unname4798 * moved [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] to [[Tommyaweosme/warsides]]: Unname can't edit user pages
16:46:50 <esolangs> [[Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141517&oldid=141515 * Unname4798 * (+0) yayimhere, not unname calls this list stupid
16:47:11 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141518&oldid=141509 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+125) /* Delete page */
16:57:22 <esolangs> [[Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141519&oldid=141517 * Unname4798 * (+0) Swap two items, since they were out of order
16:58:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141520&oldid=141513 * Unname4798 * (-43)
17:02:49 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141521&oldid=141520 * Unname4798 * (+255) Reverted to the revision by [[User:Yayimhere]] ([[User talk:Yayimhere|talk]])
17:04:44 <esolangs> [[Nine-hundred-eleven]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141522&oldid=141493 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-32) Removed nonexistent category
17:05:35 <esolangs> [[Bbtos]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141523&oldid=141456 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-10) /* Interpreter */
17:12:34 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141524&oldid=141521 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+57) /* Why */ new section
17:13:43 <esolangs> [[Nine-hundred-eleven]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141525&oldid=141522 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+292) See also, categories
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17:15:00 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141526&oldid=141524 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+111)
17:15:45 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141527&oldid=141526 * Tommyaweosme * (-376) auto-deleted, sory \_()_/
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17:16:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141528&oldid=141527 * Unname4798 * (+376) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/141527|141527]] by [[Special:Contributions/Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]] ([[User talk:Tommyaweosme|talk]])
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17:17:17 <esolangs> [[Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141529&oldid=141519 * Tommyaweosme * (-1) BRO IS CIRCUMVENTING THE WHOLE USERPAGE BAN @ais523 @ais523 @ais523
17:17:19 <esolangs> [[!HOR]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141530&oldid=141458 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+55) Stub, categories
17:17:53 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Tommyaweosme * moved [[Tommyaweosme/warsides]] to [[User:User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]]: Misspelled title: UNNAME4798 UNLAWFULLY MOVING ''MY'' PAGES AGAIN
17:18:08 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141533&oldid=141528 * Unname4798 * (+185)
17:18:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141534&oldid=141533 * Unname4798 * (+173)
17:18:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141535&oldid=141534 * Unname4798 * (+2)
17:19:12 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141536&oldid=141535 * Unname4798 * (+0)
17:19:33 <esolangs> [[Beatnik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141537&oldid=122694 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+37) See also
17:20:50 <esolangs> [[Beatnik Extended]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141538&oldid=141444 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+93) Categories
17:21:18 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141539&oldid=141536 * Unname4798 * (+26)
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17:22:02 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141540&oldid=141539 * Yayimhere * (+5) /* Why */ include user part of link
17:22:07 <esolangs> [[(1)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141541&oldid=141477 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+66) Categories
17:22:46 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141542&oldid=141540 * Yayimhere * (+153) /* Why */
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17:25:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141543&oldid=141542 * Tommyaweosme * (+213) you have no free spech yayimhere \_()_/
17:26:30 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141544&oldid=141543 * Tommyaweosme * (-290) auto-deleted, sory \_()_/
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17:27:15 <esolangs> [[Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141545&oldid=141532 * Tommyaweosme * (-45) Blanked the page
17:27:41 <esolangs> [[Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141546&oldid=141545 * Tommyaweosme * (+1257)
17:27:53 <esolangs> [[Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141547&oldid=141546 * Tommyaweosme * (-1257) Blanked the page
17:28:03 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141548&oldid=141516 * Tommyaweosme * (+1222) Removed redirect to [[Tommyaweosme/warsides]]
17:28:06 <esolangs> [[User:User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141549&oldid=141531 * Tommyaweosme * (-1257) Blanked the page
17:30:52 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141550&oldid=141518 * Tommyaweosme * (+98) no free spech on esolang, sory \_()_/
17:31:39 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141551&oldid=140784 * Tommyaweosme * (-1457) Replaced content with "dont try to mesage against me i edit ur message and eat ur signature, replace with mine"
17:32:07 <esolangs> [[User talk:Vulture001]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141552 * Yayimhere * (+183) Created page with "can you plz make a logo for my esolang: [[ch34t) c0d3|my esolang]]. you make rlly cool logos ~~~~"
17:32:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Vulture001]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141553&oldid=141552 * Yayimhere * (+1)
17:33:12 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141554&oldid=141467 * Unname4798 * (+257)
17:33:57 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141555&oldid=141554 * Tommyaweosme * (+30) no free spech on esolang, sory \_()_/
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17:35:55 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141556&oldid=141555 * Unname4798 * (+261)
17:36:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141557&oldid=141556 * Unname4798 * (+17)
17:36:31 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141558&oldid=141557 * Unname4798 * (-4)
17:36:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141559&oldid=141558 * Tommyaweosme * (+297) /* Grade 11 */
17:37:14 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141560&oldid=141548 * Tommyaweosme * (+1)
17:39:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:PkmnQ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141561&oldid=137830 * Tommyaweosme * (+388)
17:41:24 <esolangs> [[User talk:PkmnQ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141562&oldid=141561 * Yayimhere * (+15)
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17:46:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * IntGrah * New user account
17:49:22 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141563&oldid=140999 * IntGrah * (+104) Introduction
17:49:36 <esolangs> [[User:IntGrah]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141564 * IntGrah * (+7) Create user page
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17:53:33 <esolangs> [[Talk: but with only plausible commands]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141565 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+37) Created page with "a language can be turing complete tho"
18:06:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141566&oldid=141550 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-98) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/141550|141550]] by [[Special:Contributions/Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]] ([[User talk:Tommyaweosme|talk]]) no free speech to you too :3
18:08:49 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141567&oldid=141566 * Tommyaweosme * (-125) no free spech on esolang, sory \_()_/
18:12:31 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141568&oldid=141544 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-213)
18:14:14 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141569&oldid=141568 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-145)
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18:25:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:Jail system makes no sense]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141571&oldid=132664 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+123) /* Deletion? */
18:26:00 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141572&oldid=141563 * Coffeeenjoyer * (+192)
18:26:03 <esolangs> [[Obscure]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141573&oldid=140700 * Coffeeenjoyer * (+735) example programs
18:30:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bbtos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141574&oldid=141483 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-651) Accidentally deleted it
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19:54:06 <esolangs> [[PIO]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141575 * PlaceReporter99 * (+377) Created page with "{{stub}} [https://tio.run/##ZU/BaoQwFLz7FaMnhd56Kyw9FAteNtJ@Qaova8DNC88E9OttokspLA/yGN7MZMZvYWL3uu8jGZh6aN4KGBassA5DArAmgcsFVVdliCDbsRPbOh9D3TQZ0jqQD2jVZyvCclK8WBfqqsOkA@Ggg/J5KausovnPXZ3uD4WaMJKWEldGXMjEOV34Jvq@YCKhJ3l/ykXbhfC9uaDXI0dd9UTW3cAOYSKYmVne8WVHO8SZ41LiYyb
20:18:11 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141576&oldid=141569 * Tommyaweosme * (+358) redo
20:34:11 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141577&oldid=141560 * Tommyaweosme * (+177)
20:34:23 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141578&oldid=141577 * Tommyaweosme * (+1)
20:53:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:Jail system makes no sense]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141579&oldid=141571 * Tommyaweosme * (-806)
21:19:56 <zzo38> I have a ASN.1 file containing a UUID. Why does the "dumpasn1" program list the UUID twice and then says "Error: OID has invalid encoding"? The file looks like OK to me.
21:22:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:Memorial language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141580&oldid=141500 * Ais523 * (+1362) /* Deletion discussion about this page that was posted on User talk:ais523 */ new section
21:23:10 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Memorial language list]]": deleted per deletion discussion (see talk)
21:25:02 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141581&oldid=141570 * Ais523 * (+379) mark a couple of entries as done
21:28:18 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141582&oldid=141581 * Ais523 * (-48431) archiving
21:28:33 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523/Archive1]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141583 * Ais523 * (+48566) archiving
21:47:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bbtos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141584&oldid=141574 * Tommyaweosme * (+651)
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22:11:13 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[(1)]]": Author request
22:16:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Jail system makes no sense]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141585&oldid=141579 * Ais523 * (+806) Reverted edit by [[Special:Contributions/Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]] ([[User talk:Tommyaweosme|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08|ChuckEsoteric08]]
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22:18:20 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ais523 * moved [[Tommyaweosme/warsides]] to [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]]: history merge
22:18:20 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]]": Deleted to make way for move from "[[Tommyaweosme/warsides]]"
22:18:51 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ais523 * moved [[User:User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] to [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]]: history merge
22:18:51 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]]": Deleted to make way for move from "[[User:User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]]"
22:19:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] restore * Ais523 * undeleted "[[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]]": history merge
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22:20:07 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Tommyaweosme/warsides]]": cross-namespace redirect left over after a page was moved to the correct namespace
22:24:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141590&oldid=141313 * Ais523 * (+832) /* Stop trying to circumvent the block on editing other people's userspace */ new section
22:28:42 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141591&oldid=141576 * Ais523 * (+560) /* Why */ some thoughts
22:30:12 <esolangs> [[User talk:PkmnQ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141592&oldid=141562 * PkmnQ * (-403) that's not staying there
22:57:07 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Ellos * New user account
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23:17:14 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141593&oldid=141591 * None1 * (+344) /* Why */
23:41:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141594&oldid=141593 * Tommyaweosme * (-1) no free spech on esolang, sory \_()_/
23:43:10 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141595&oldid=141589 * Tommyaweosme * (-1) "thats not staying there"
23:43:31 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141596&oldid=141595 * Tommyaweosme * (+0) oops wrong person
23:57:16 <esolangs> [[13 bytes :D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141597&oldid=127002 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+85) /* Examples */
00:01:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:Jail system makes no sense]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141598&oldid=141585 * Tommyaweosme * (+0) hahahaha i translated it into [https://lingojam.com/floopytranslator floopy]
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00:05:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:Memorial language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141599&oldid=141580 * Tommyaweosme * (+0) PRANKED AGAIN!!!!!1
00:07:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:Memorial language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141600&oldid=141599 * Ais523 * (+0) Reverted edit by [[Special:Contributions/Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]] ([[User talk:Tommyaweosme|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Ais523|Ais523]]
00:07:34 <esolangs> [[Talk:Jail system makes no sense]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141601&oldid=141598 * Ais523 * (+0) Reverted edit by [[Special:Contributions/Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]] ([[User talk:Tommyaweosme|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Ais523|Ais523]]
00:07:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141602&oldid=141594 * Ais523 * (+1) Reverted edit by [[Special:Contributions/Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]] ([[User talk:Tommyaweosme|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:None1|None1]]
00:10:35 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141603&oldid=141582 * Tommyaweosme * (+0) fixing a long-lost typo
00:11:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141604&oldid=141559 * Ais523 * (+591) /* Editing talkpage comments */ new section
00:11:35 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141605&oldid=141603 * Ais523 * (+0) Reverted edit by [[Special:Contributions/Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]] ([[User talk:Tommyaweosme|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Ais523|Ais523]]
00:12:02 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141606&oldid=141604 * Tommyaweosme * (+0) OOPS I SLIPPED
00:12:24 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141607&oldid=141606 * Ais523 * (+0) Reverted edit by [[Special:Contributions/Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]] ([[User talk:Tommyaweosme|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Ais523|Ais523]]
00:13:47 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/block]] reblock * Ais523 * changed block settings for [[User:Tommyaweosme]] with an expiration time of 1 day and 7 hours : temporary block to cool down, for vandalising talk page comments immediately after being told not to
00:15:36 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141608&oldid=141607 * Tommyaweosme * (+489)
00:16:03 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141609&oldid=141596 * PkmnQ * (+2)
00:16:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141610&oldid=141608 * Ais523 * (+229) /* Editing talkpage comments */ that doesn't work either
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02:22:38 <esolangs> [[PIO]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141611&oldid=141575 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+139) Categories
02:44:32 <esolangs> [[PIO]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141612&oldid=141611 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+882) Specification, category
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02:50:14 <zzo38> I wrote some ideas about the message schema format of my operating system design on my NNTP server, with message ID <1727649395.bystand@zzo38computer.org> and there is also a HTTP view http://zzo38computer.org/forumread/a.cgi/52 I would also like to know if you have comments about it, too
02:57:27 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141613&oldid=141411 * DGCK81LNN * (+1269)
03:27:07 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141614&oldid=141613 * DGCK81LNN * (+325) /* Practices and idioms */
03:31:20 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141615&oldid=141614 * DGCK81LNN * (+86) /* Practices and idioms */
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04:13:33 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141617&oldid=141465 * Gilbert189 * (+576) /* Ideas related to esoteric operating systems, esoteric processors and esoteric computers */
04:44:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141618&oldid=141610 * DifferentDance8 * (+121)
04:45:25 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141619&oldid=141618 * DifferentDance8 * (-21) removed annoying header
04:49:35 <esolangs> [[Semi-serious language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141620&oldid=140954 * Iddi01 * (+110) Added and removed a few
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06:49:34 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141621&oldid=141459 * PlaceReporter99 * (+87) /* General languages */
06:50:51 <esolangs> [[PIO]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141622&oldid=141612 * PlaceReporter99 * (+57) /* Specification */
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08:01:03 <esolangs> [[Translated !Romanian]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141623&oldid=141432 * MihaiEso * (+7)
08:01:55 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141624&oldid=141621 * MihaiEso * (+74) /* Horribly translated variants */
08:15:41 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again4]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141625&oldid=141425 * MihaiEso * (+57)
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08:25:50 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again5]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141626 * MihaiEso * (+2448) Created page with "[[Translated ZhongWen/PSTF Again4]] is not crazy enough, so let's be crazier! (from Mihai Popa) 1. Take this completely bogus file <pre> CBZ CBZ ..."
08:26:23 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141627&oldid=141624 * MihaiEso * (+53) /* Horribly translated variants */
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10:18:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bbtos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141628&oldid=141584 * None1 * (+402)
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10:21:18 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141629&oldid=141619 * None1 * (+294) /* Editing talkpage comments */
10:25:08 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141630&oldid=141629 * DifferentDance8 * (+142)
10:32:09 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141631&oldid=135896 * None1 * (+14) brainfuck deserves lowercase
10:35:05 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141632&oldid=141631 * None1 * (+171) /* Normal implementations */
10:35:20 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141633&oldid=141632 * None1 * (+2) /* Normal implementations */
10:53:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:***]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141634 * Ractangle * (+72) Created page with "I will add the comment's syntax to [[Comment]] once it's October 31 2024"
10:54:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:***]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141635&oldid=141634 * Ractangle * (+166)
10:57:26 <esolangs> [[Toad (Pit Crew)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141636 * MihaiEso * (+914) Created page with "'''Toad (Pit Crew)''' is a joke language made by Mihai Popa. == Syntax == It's that simple, just the file name, then "<Toad (Pit Crew)>", "<Yellow Toad (Pit Crew)>", "<Light-blue Toad (Pit Crew)>", "<Red Toad (Pit Crew)>", "<Green Toad (Pit Crew)>", "<Pink Toa
10:57:51 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141637&oldid=141159 * MihaiEso * (+45)
10:59:43 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141638&oldid=141627 * MihaiEso * (+138) /* General languages */
11:12:11 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141639&oldid=141630 * PrySigneToFry * (+691)
11:15:04 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141640&oldid=141605 * None1 * (+539) /* Delete page */
11:15:29 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141641&oldid=141640 * None1 * (+1) /* Delete page */
11:17:25 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141642&oldid=141641 * None1 * (-2) /* Delete page */
11:20:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141643&oldid=141197 * PrySigneToFry * (+533)
11:20:56 <esolangs> [[Toad (Pit Crew)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141644&oldid=141636 * MihaiEso * (+96)
11:21:59 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/Mihai Again6]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141645&oldid=140928 * PrySigneToFry * (+1116)
11:33:03 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Policy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141646&oldid=67563 * PrySigneToFry * (+212) /* I don't want some people to abuse their signatures to show that they're getting too much support or opposition. */ new section
11:37:36 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141647&oldid=141602 * PrySigneToFry * (+244) /* */ new section
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11:45:35 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141650&oldid=141590 * PrySigneToFry * (+2)
11:51:00 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141651&oldid=141642 * Yayimhere * (+765) /* Delete page */
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12:02:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:Python is Magic/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141652&oldid=141242 * PkmnQ * (+189)
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12:42:01 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141654&oldid=141454 * None1 * (+111)
12:43:03 <esolangs> [[TINBFD]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141655 * None1 * (+48) Redirected page to [[THIS IS NOT A BRAINFUCK DERIVATIVE]]
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12:51:48 <wWwwW> is this a good esolang and what do you think the computational class is?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Turtle_just_want_to_dig#examples
12:52:31 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141657&oldid=141653 * None1 * (+263) /* ban tommyawsome */
12:56:27 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141658&oldid=141657 * Yayimhere * (+1) /* ban tommyawsome */ add :
12:59:50 <esolangs> [[Translated !Romanian]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141659&oldid=141623 * None1 * (-569)
13:07:03 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/None1 again2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141660 * None1 * (+1871) Created page with "Let's make [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again5]] crazier! 1. Take that program: <pre> ..."
13:07:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141661&oldid=141658 * MihaiEso * (+1108) /* ban tommyawsome */
13:11:18 <esolangs> [[Translated Julia/None1]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141662 * None1 * (+2226) Created page with "Let's translate [[Translated Julia/PSTF]]! 1. Original program <pre> The size of the area is a measure of how it looks Then create. Even a knife on the company's head will pass. Doors can be symbolized by doors, and some have doors. On the contrary, _n It'
13:12:19 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141663&oldid=141661 * Unname4798 * (+208)
13:18:13 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141664&oldid=141654 * None1 * (+68)
13:28:58 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again6]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141665 * MihaiEso * (+2809) Created page with "Let's make [[Translated ZhongWen/None1 again2]] EXTRA CRAZY! HAHAHAHAHAHA. 1. Take that brainfucked program: <pre> ..."
13:29:45 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/None1 again2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141666&oldid=141660 * MihaiEso * (+71)
13:32:01 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141667&oldid=141638 * MihaiEso * (+109) /* Horribly translated variants */
13:32:56 <esolangs> [[Translated ZhongWen/Mihai Again5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141668&oldid=141626 * MihaiEso * (+46)
13:37:17 <b_jonas> zzo38: I was told that on the Plan9 OS, most system calls, including all file system access, is sent through some network protocol roughly like NFS, in a way that's uniform between when the actual operation is executed locally or a remote server.
13:37:50 <b_jonas> I don't know much about this, but I wonder if you studied that, it might be relevant
13:38:11 <b_jonas> this is apparently called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9P_(protocol)
14:06:50 <esolangs> [[BubbleLang/Keywords]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141669&oldid=140974 * PrySigneToFry * (+21)
14:08:47 <esolangs> [[Fuck you!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141670&oldid=115484 * PrySigneToFry * (+78)
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15:03:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Govnom Srat' Pomojet Letat']] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141672&oldid=122304 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+137) /* Title */ new section
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15:24:16 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141675&oldid=141551 * MihaiEso * (-21)
15:24:42 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141676&oldid=141671 * MihaiEso * (+166) /* Block tommyaweosme */
15:25:48 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141677&oldid=141676 * Xff * (+111) /* Block tommyaweosme */
15:29:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bbtos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141678&oldid=141674 * PrySigneToFry * (+1129) /* */ new section
15:29:33 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141679&oldid=141647 * Xff * (+79) /* Why */
15:33:34 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/warsides]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141680&oldid=141679 * MihaiEso * (+333) Reverting possible vandalism by [[User:Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]]. Revert if I made a mistake. Thanks, [[User:MihaiEso|MihaiEso]]!
15:34:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bbtos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141681&oldid=141678 * PrySigneToFry * (+859)
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15:45:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141684&oldid=141683 * PrySigneToFry * (+776)
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16:12:36 <esolangs> [[Cammy/Hives]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141685&oldid=140249 * Corbin * (+469) /* First-order Jets */ From my notes. This would be how to implement e.g. cryptography.
16:39:20 <esolangs> [[Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141686&oldid=140899 * Xff * (+36) /* Example programs */
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16:43:45 <esolangs> [[Andrei Machine 9000]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141687&oldid=128342 * Ractangle * (-25) You can readd [[:Category:Non-textual]] if the esolang is actually not textual
16:51:33 <esolangs> [[User talk:PixelatedStarfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141688&oldid=141033 * Xff * (-7) /* logo plz! maybe? */ gggfr is my acc
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16:56:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:Andrew's Programming Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141690&oldid=101754 * Ractangle * (+257) /* Some name idea */ new section
16:57:05 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141691&oldid=141684 * Xff * (+83) /* Block tommyaweosme */
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17:22:33 <esolangs> [[Incrementing machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141692&oldid=134310 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+115) /* Computational class */
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17:47:22 <zzo38> I am aware of Plan9. Like Plan9, my design also uses message-oriented protocols instead of needing many more system calls, although there are also many differences from Plan9. However, the article that I had written is not about a specific protocol, but about the message schema format to specify the expected type of an initial message for a specific program.
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17:51:47 <zzo38> However, now I think that, although I had defined a constraint that a string must be the Common Data Format, what it does not yet define is a constraint that it follows a specific format of the Common Data Format without needing to encode the header. Also, I had missed a fixed length string type.
17:53:59 <esolangs> [[Incrementing machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141693&oldid=141692 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-30) /* Computational class */
17:55:27 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141694&oldid=141446 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+51)
17:57:29 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141695&oldid=141694 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-4)
18:00:54 <zzo38> (It is also possible that some of these things might be unnecessary and should be removed, maybe.)
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19:55:44 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[Literally just a turing machine]] to [[]]
19:56:26 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141698&oldid=141696 * Ractangle * (-742) Replaced content with "'''''' is an esolang created by [[User:Ractangle]]"
19:56:49 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141699&oldid=141698 * Ractangle * (+14)
20:15:45 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141700&oldid=141699 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+53) Distinguish confusion
20:15:53 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141701&oldid=141700 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+42) Categories
20:17:03 <esolangs> [[B]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141702&oldid=139163 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+28) , category
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20:31:43 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141703&oldid=141675 * Ais523 * (+21) Reverted edit by [[Special:Contributions/MihaiEso|MihaiEso]] ([[User talk:MihaiEso|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]]
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21:40:09 <esolangs> [[User:XKCD Random Number]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141704&oldid=138790 * Aadenboy * (+577) /* Implementations */ added my esolangs
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22:03:26 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141705&oldid=141701 * Ractangle * (+10)
22:08:53 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141706&oldid=141705 * Ractangle * (+141) /* Syntax */
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22:39:25 <esolangs> [[0widthnonjoiner]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141707&oldid=125826 * YetAnotherAccount * (+19) /* Categories */ no io
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22:48:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:S l o w]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=141708 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+13) Created page with "Python slower"
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23:34:19 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Policy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=141709&oldid=141646 * Ais523 * (+924) /* I don't want some people to abuse their signatures to show that they're getting too much support or opposition. */ this is obviously a rule, but there are questions about how the rules should be presented on the page
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