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00:09:45 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Aneurysm9 * New user account
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00:13:14 <esowiki> [[Intcode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74826&oldid=73761 * Aneurysm9 * (+4) Update AoC 2019 link to permalink
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00:46:13 <esowiki> [[REsKrIb!lo]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74827&oldid=38934 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+30) Cats
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02:45:44 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Byskit-dev * New user account
02:56:43 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74828&oldid=74825 * Byskit-dev * (+159) /* Introductions */
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04:20:54 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * ProjectCF * New user account
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05:12:46 <zzo38> I thought of that you might want to make statistics of random packs of cards, computing the statistics without generating them at random. This is probably possible with what I have so far, if VERIFY and SCRIPT are not used. But if VERIFY and/or SCRIPT are used, then it would probably be more difficult.
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05:57:00 <esowiki> [[User:Byskit-dev]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74830 * Byskit-dev * (+316) Created page with "Hi I like esolangs and I come up with ideas for esolangs Here are some things I have though of: * Functional - a collection of functional languages (i.e. [[Python]], JavaScri..."
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05:58:53 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74831&oldid=74829 * Byskit-dev * (+27) /* Introductions */
05:59:30 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74832&oldid=74831 * Byskit-dev * (-1) /* Introductions */
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07:13:29 <esowiki> [[StupidStackLanguage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74833&oldid=69843 * Lebster * (+259)
07:14:33 <esowiki> [[StupidStackLanguage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74834&oldid=74833 * Lebster * (-4) /* Website */
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08:35:22 <esowiki> [[Tandem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74835&oldid=74692 * Chris Pressey * (+493) Several edits
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08:38:47 <esowiki> [[Tandem/Tandem.hs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74836&oldid=74467 * Chris Pressey * (-90) Update for labels are strings now, and simplify.
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08:48:17 <esowiki> [[Tandem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74837&oldid=74835 * Chris Pressey * (+613) /* Computational class */ Add open questions about variations on the language
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09:08:31 <esowiki> [[StupidStackLanguage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74838&oldid=74834 * Lebster * (-513)
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09:28:53 <esowiki> [[StupidStackLanguage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74839&oldid=74838 * Lebster * (+43) /* Online */
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11:19:47 <esowiki> [[User:DmilkaSTD]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74841&oldid=74778 * DmilkaSTD * (+52)
11:20:32 <esowiki> [[Anarchysm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74842&oldid=69526 * DmilkaSTD * (-122) nobody cares about me
11:22:10 <esowiki> [[Espaol]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74843&oldid=69535 * DmilkaSTD * (-90)
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11:31:41 <esowiki> [[Rui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74845&oldid=74738 * DanielCristofani * (+265)
11:46:37 <esowiki> [[Rui]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74846&oldid=74845 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-1) rm sp
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11:57:06 <esowiki> [[Grapheme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74848&oldid=72790 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+20) /* Edge cases */
11:57:48 <esowiki> [[Grapheme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74849&oldid=74848 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* Using variables */
11:57:56 <esowiki> [[Grapheme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74850&oldid=74849 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* Using variables */
11:58:40 <esowiki> [[Grapheme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74851&oldid=74850 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+4) /* Modes */
11:59:43 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74852&oldid=74756 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+11) /* Languages */
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12:10:40 <esowiki> [[Functional]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74853&oldid=38828 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+33) /* See also */ cat
12:13:10 <esowiki> [[Anarchysm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74854&oldid=74842 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* Introduction */
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12:16:36 <esowiki> [[Unrandom]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74855&oldid=69308 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-11) /* Compilation */
12:17:21 <esowiki> [[Anarchysm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74856&oldid=74854 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+83) /* Implementation */ cats
12:18:49 <esowiki> [[Espaol]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74857&oldid=74843 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+113) cats
12:19:47 <esowiki> [[StupidStackLanguage]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74858&oldid=74840 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* Operations */
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12:43:45 <esowiki> [[User:DmilkaSTD]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74860&oldid=74859 * DmilkaSTD * (+9)
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12:54:20 <esowiki> [[BytFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74861&oldid=74648 * DmilkaSTD * (+0)
12:56:02 <esowiki> [[User:DmilkaSTD]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74862&oldid=74860 * DmilkaSTD * (+18)
13:07:13 <esowiki> [[Bigspace]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74863&oldid=74396 * DmilkaSTD * (+138) bases
13:09:19 <esowiki> [[BytFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74864&oldid=74861 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-4)
13:19:50 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74865&oldid=74571 * A * (+108)
13:22:39 <esowiki> [[Bigspace]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74866&oldid=74863 * DmilkaSTD * (+1229) not going to lie but I hate this language
13:25:39 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74867&oldid=74865 * A * (+127) /* Instruction list */
13:25:40 <esowiki> [[User:DmilkaSTD]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74868&oldid=74862 * DmilkaSTD * (+369)
13:26:21 <esowiki> [[BytFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74869&oldid=74864 * DmilkaSTD * (+0) grammar++;
13:27:28 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74870&oldid=74819 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-826) Blanked the page
13:27:50 <esowiki> [[Blues machine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74871 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1003) Created page with ":''Note that '''blues machine''' is typically lowercased except, often, at the start of a sentence. The '''blues machine''' is an [[OISC]] esolang by User:PythonshellDebugwi..."
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13:28:27 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74872&oldid=74754 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+20) /* B */ + [[Blues machine]]
13:29:19 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74873&oldid=74852 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+69) /* Languages */
13:32:50 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74874&oldid=74867 * A * (-1) /* Official implementation = */
13:34:20 <esowiki> [[Self-modifying Puzzlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74875&oldid=50500 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+65) cats + bold + prd
13:40:47 <esowiki> [[Blues machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74876&oldid=74871 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-23) /* Example: infinite loop */ simplify
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13:43:02 <esowiki> [[OISC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74877&oldid=74342 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+112) /* List of OISCs */
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13:52:51 <esowiki> [[Bytemap]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74878&oldid=66195 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+45)
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14:12:24 <esowiki> [[Artemis]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74879&oldid=72244 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+40) bold cat
14:13:30 <esowiki> [[SendStuff]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74880&oldid=20562 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+49)
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14:16:03 <esowiki> [[Blues machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74881&oldid=74876 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+112) /* Example: infinite loop */
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14:17:59 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74882&oldid=74717 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+64) /* Derivatives */
14:18:24 <esowiki> [[Aubergine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74883&oldid=53528 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-36) /* Implementations */ not a derivative of itself
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14:23:01 <esowiki> [[Wigner's Fuckbuddy Is A Superposition of Top And Bottom]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74884&oldid=40480 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+32) /* References */
14:23:47 <esowiki> [[Blues machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74885&oldid=74881 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* Examples */ c
14:25:04 <esowiki> [[SPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74886&oldid=69406 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+61) /* Command set */
14:25:52 <esowiki> [[SPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74887&oldid=74886 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+50) /* External resources */ cats
14:27:36 <esowiki> [[ASCII art-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74888&oldid=53901 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+146) cats
14:30:19 <esowiki> [[3LEB]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74889&oldid=72953 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+140)
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14:38:32 <esowiki> [[ASCII art]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74891&oldid=53905 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+115) caTS
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15:05:13 <esowiki> [[Javagony]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74892&oldid=70452 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+169) /* History */
15:05:25 <esowiki> [[Javagony]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74893&oldid=74892 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+29) /* See also */
15:30:12 <esowiki> [[Tangle bracket language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74894&oldid=51463 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) cat
15:31:20 <esowiki> [[~-~!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74895&oldid=52629 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+6)
15:34:18 <esowiki> [[Javagony Turing-completeness proof]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74896 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2892) Created page with ":{{Back|Javagony}} This page will attempt to show the [[Turing-complete]]ness of [[Javagony]] through "translation" to [[brainfuck]]. (This was before User:PythonshellDebugw..."
15:37:48 <esowiki> [[Javagony Turing-completeness proof]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74897&oldid=74896 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+610) /* The proof */
15:38:38 <esowiki> [[Javagony Turing-completeness proof]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74898&oldid=74897 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-46) /* The code */ update
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16:11:40 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/AllTheCats]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74900&oldid=74899 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-1) /* Others */
16:44:07 <esowiki> [[Esowar]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74901&oldid=72089 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+6)
16:44:30 <esowiki> [[Category:Programming games]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74902&oldid=54978 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+41)
16:45:11 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74903&oldid=74882 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+108) /* Miscellaneous */
16:45:35 <esowiki> [[Category:Programming games]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74904&oldid=74902 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+29) expand
16:47:17 <esowiki> [[Smallfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74905&oldid=53073 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+38) /* External resources */
16:47:57 <esowiki> [[Queue]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74906&oldid=66988 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+33) /* See Also */
16:48:49 <esowiki> [[Queue]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74907&oldid=74906 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* Use in esolangs */
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17:26:59 <esowiki> [[Queuenanimous]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74908 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1309) Created page with "'''Queuenanimous''' is an esolang by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]]. ==Memory model== Queuenanimous uses an unbounded [[queue]] of unbounded signed integers. ==Syntax== Lik..."
17:27:37 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74909&oldid=74872 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+20) /* Q */ +[[Queuenanimous]]
17:28:28 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74910&oldid=74909 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+62) /* A */
17:29:08 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74911&oldid=74873 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+68) /* Languages */
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17:32:42 <esowiki> [[Queuenanimous]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74912&oldid=74908 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+443) /* Commands */ tc
18:15:10 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74913&oldid=74910 * Icecream17 * (+41) /* T */ Add 2 missing languages
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18:48:34 <esowiki> [[Queuenanimous]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74914&oldid=74912 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+44) /* Commands */
18:52:35 <esowiki> [[Queuenanimous]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74915&oldid=74914 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-447) /* Interpreter */
19:02:07 <esowiki> [[Talk:Snowflake]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74916&oldid=74739 * Ais523 * (+507) /* Problems w/ FORK and SPOON */ reply
19:08:15 <esowiki> [[User:Byskit-dev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74917&oldid=74830 * Byskit-dev * (-84)
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19:14:37 <esowiki> [[User talk:Byskit-dev]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74918 * Byskit-dev * (+28) Created page with "= Write stuff here = lol wut"
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19:19:17 <esowiki> [[Ghoti]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74919 * Byskit-dev * (+105) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Ghoti |author=[[User:Byskit-dev|Byskit dev]] |year=2020? |files=.fish, .ghoti }}"
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19:35:47 <esowiki> [[Vrejvax]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74920&oldid=62328 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-18) /* External resources */ it wasn't made in 2010
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19:53:01 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/AllTheCats]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74922&oldid=74921 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-73)
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22:29:18 <int-e> `? ast
22:29:21 <HackEso> ast? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
22:29:37 <int-e> @metar lOwI
22:29:37 <lambdabot> LOWI 012220Z AUTO VRB01KT 9999 FEW006 BKN008 16/15 Q1016
22:32:16 <shachaf> @metar koak
22:32:16 <lambdabot> KOAK 012153Z 31014KT 10SM CLR 22/13 A2982 RMK AO2 SLP098 T02220128
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22:51:42 <int-e> Meh, https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/space.png -- with this much unused space (red box) why do you hide the commit history in a single line with the latest commit title (green box) with hardly any visual indicator?
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23:00:47 <int-e> The repo is because I wanted to find out when Stockfish started to distribute their testing efforts. Seems that happened 7 years ago.
23:02:18 <int-e> . o O ( Worst case scenario: They got the MS Office UI team to overhaul github. )
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23:18:43 <zzo38> Are you able to access it with git (to avoid dealing with their UI)?
23:19:13 <int-e> sure, but that m,eans downloading the whole repo
23:20:17 <int-e> the whole point (to me) of that web frontend is that I can look at projects I don't intend to contribute to
23:20:34 <int-e> See that "Add File" button? I can't imagine ever using that.
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23:23:44 <int-e> And they changed to round avatars, making the automatically generated "octothorps" even uglier.
23:24:28 <int-e> Another totally unnecessary change. Probably not worth complaining about, but here I am...
23:24:47 <zzo38> O, OK. Maybe to propose for git a protocol to access without downloading the whole repo, then?
23:25:08 <zzo38> Can you use CSS to change the shape of the avatars, or does it change the shape during rendering pictures on the server?
23:26:55 <int-e> I don't want to spend any time on that :P
23:26:58 <zzo38> Why does the problems with my internet tends to be near the end of the month?
23:28:19 <int-e> does the provider have monthly caps?
23:28:52 <zzo38> I don't think so, but I don't know.
23:29:42 <zzo38> Why does <SPAN CLASS="m2"> appears a different colour in Lynx?
23:29:44 <int-e> (that would offer a potential explanation, people doing big downloads at the end of the month when it's clear that they won't exceed the cap)
23:30:25 <zzo38> Yes, maybe.
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02:53:50 <b_jonas> zzo38: I believe git already has a protocol that doesn't require downloading the whole repo from the server side, it's just that git the software can't handle partial repositories on the client side. This is a big reason why I recommend svn.
02:54:52 <b_jonas> but I could be wrong
02:55:03 <b_jonas> maybe the server doesn't quite allow you to pick which objects to download
02:55:32 <b_jonas> the svn client also isn't perfect about this, but it handles partial repositories much better
02:56:24 <zzo38> Well, you can use svn for your own projects (although I use Fossil myself), but many people use git.
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10:55:48 <cpressey> I detect a distinct tendency by the users of the esolang wiki to see every language in terms of brainfuck
10:56:18 <int-e> All esolangs are brainfuck derivatives.
10:56:21 <int-e> :P
10:57:07 <Taneb> Yeah, I used to be like that once upon a time
10:57:08 <int-e> Especially Intercal.
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10:57:22 <Taneb> With good guidance they'll grow out of it
10:58:14 <int-e> (This is me trying to build up a time travel joke, or failing that, a break of causality through unfettered coming from.)
10:58:36 <int-e> (But it won't be funny. :P)
10:58:43 <shachaf> Chet out my fancy inotify program: https://shachaf.net/tmp/mustardwatch/mustardwatch.c
10:58:52 <shachaf> It uses ptrace to detect what files a program uses and reruns it when they change.
10:59:53 <Taneb> shachaf: that's a pretty cool idea
11:01:03 <int-e> cpressey: This category is *totally* Brainfuck-centric: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Before_1993
11:01:42 <int-e> Hah, we have Perl and Python?
11:04:07 <int-e> (The latter article is a disappointment.)
11:13:50 <esowiki> [[Talk:Javagony Turing-completeness proof]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74945 * Chris Pressey * (+582) Feedback on this proof
11:17:34 <myname> cpressey: i think that decrementing part is just the loop condition
11:19:50 <cpressey> Yes, they're demonstrating that Javagony can do something that brainfuck interpreters do, I get that
11:19:59 <myname> like, translation of a bf program to javagony is the following: translate +.<> as written on the page. for [subprogram] create a method with that translation in Proof class and make call to proof.doWhileReadNe0(subprogramMethod)
11:20:04 <myname> it's not an interpreter
11:20:07 <Taneb> You know, I've never tried writing a brainfuck self-interpreter
11:20:11 <Taneb> I might give it a go
11:20:13 <myname> it's a framework for translating arbitrary bf programs
11:21:17 <cpressey> I stand by my statement that it's halfway to a brainfuck interpreter, which would be a 100% convincing proof of its TCness
11:22:53 <myname> ++[>+<-] would translate to: Proof.subprogram() { tape.right(); tape.write(tape.read() - 1); tape.left(); tape.write(tape.read() + 1); } and in main tape.write(tape.read() + 1); tape.write(tape.read() + 1); proof.doWhileReadNe0(proof.subprogram);
11:23:13 <myname> yeah, you could write an interpreter, but that not what this proof is about
11:23:17 <int-e> cpressey: I guess the simple truth is that Brainfuck is the one minimal programming language that everybody has heard of.
11:23:44 <int-e> (for some pretty big value of "everybody")
11:24:25 <myname> technically, that "proof" is not a real proof since it does not show that the translation does have the same semantics as the bf programm you are translating
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12:52:13 <int-e> myname: That's a very common thing though. The attitude is usually that the reduction is the creative and tricky part while showing that the semantics are preserved is merely tedious routine.
12:53:10 <int-e> (Obviously there are exceptions.)
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14:09:50 <rain1> collatz checked
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15:45:12 <cpressey> arseniiv: I finally implemented it, including a parser and batch I/O -- https://github.com/catseye/Tandem
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16:16:47 <arseniiv> yay!
16:16:50 <arseniiv> oh
16:16:59 <arseniiv> @tell cpressey yay!
16:16:59 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
16:29:58 <esowiki> [[User:Arseniiv/Generalized Minsky machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74971&oldid=66960 * Arseniiv * (+224) I should have done it long ago
16:30:48 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Arseniiv * moved [[User:Arseniiv/Generalized Minsky machine]] to [[Generalized Minsky machine]]: this model is quite a reasonable model
16:32:49 <esowiki> [[Minsky machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74974&oldid=73742 * Arseniiv * (+152) should have done it a long time ago
16:34:13 <arseniiv> @tell cpressey also kudos for Minsky machine! Now I wonder would it be as easy to represent a generalized Minsky machine which uses arbitrary recursive polynomial types? <https://esolangs.org/wiki/Generalized_Minsky_machine>
16:34:13 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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17:34:50 <arseniiv> b_jonas: hi
17:37:53 <kspalaiologos> hello
17:38:17 <kspalaiologos> I'm looking for an esolang to build an interpreter for
17:38:26 <kspalaiologos> I'd like to target something turing complete
17:38:48 <kspalaiologos> and preferably something that already has some code samples, but isn't trivial to program (like bf substitutions or smth)
17:39:08 <kspalaiologos> bonus points for evil bit-level twiddling operations
17:39:27 <b_jonas> hello arseniiv, kspalaiologos
17:40:00 <kspalaiologos> i considered malbolge, but it's so well known that the surprise aspect is over :p
17:40:13 <arseniiv> <kspalaiologos> bonus points for evil bit-level twiddling operations => ohohoho can’t advice anything sorry
17:40:32 <kspalaiologos> bonus points =/= all points :p
17:40:58 <kspalaiologos> I just want to develop something as a showcase of what my x86 packer/obfuscator can do
17:41:48 <kspalaiologos> I thought about writing a NAND-based lang
17:41:55 <kspalaiologos> with some encryption or something
17:43:01 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: why does it have to be an esoteric language? you could just write a C compiler, there are plenty of code examples of C, including ones that do weird stuff
17:43:37 <kspalaiologos> it's very simple: because esolangs aren't this easy to work your way through
17:43:54 <kspalaiologos> some of my crackmes feature esolang X, which has a checker for the solution, with an x86 interpreter bundled
17:44:10 <kspalaiologos> so I'm looking for this X esolang that I could use for making a crackme
17:44:26 <kspalaiologos> there are bonus points for it being hard and not very common, because it adds up some difficulty
17:44:55 <kspalaiologos> also the interpreter has to be non-trivial, so the code protection stuff can really show off
17:45:19 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: how about one of the older ICFP languages then?
17:45:41 <b_jonas> including the ones that aren't documented on the esolang wiki, like the space navigation language
17:45:42 <kspalaiologos> uh, I looked it up, it seems interesting
17:45:51 <kspalaiologos> is there a list or something?
17:45:53 <b_jonas> or Intcode which isn't ICFP but similar
17:45:56 <kspalaiologos> the google doesn't link to anything useful
17:46:09 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: sadly the old ICFP contest pages are hard to find,
17:46:32 <b_jonas> many of the websites are no longer online, since they're all organized by different groups
17:46:37 <b_jonas> http://icfpcontest.github.io/ has some links
17:46:45 <kspalaiologos> I used malbolge and I liked it, because a) it was hard to program/read/write b) encryption c) weird operators
17:47:16 <kspalaiologos> yeah
17:47:21 <kspalaiologos> ICFP seems like the way to go
17:47:27 <kspalaiologos> there is some interesting stuff there
17:47:34 <b_jonas> ICFP 2000 has GML, a stack-based pure functional language,
17:47:40 <b_jonas> well, almost pure functional
17:47:47 <b_jonas> the ray-tracing output is a side-effect
17:48:21 <b_jonas> 2004 has the ant brain language
17:48:40 <b_jonas> where you control a swarm of ants by writing a program that is running in the brain of each ant
17:48:43 <b_jonas> in a very limited language
17:48:58 <kspalaiologos> ah, this one is entertaining
17:49:14 <b_jonas> 2014 has two languages: GHC and GCC, one the style of 8-bit cpus, the other a haskell-style functional language
17:49:40 <kspalaiologos> the 9-bit one seems promising
17:49:43 <kspalaiologos> *8
17:50:01 <b_jonas> 2011 has Lambda: the Gathering, a card game with a programming element, where you make a move by composing a function with another function from either the left or right
17:50:18 <b_jonas> see https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:ICFP_contest
17:50:56 <kspalaiologos> nice
17:51:00 <kspalaiologos> I will evilify it to be hard to program
17:51:03 <b_jonas> 2007 has Fuun DNA and RNA, where DNA acts as a turing-complete preprocessor and RNA is a vector drawing language with no programming constructs directly inside it which is why you use the preprocessor
17:51:04 <kspalaiologos> and it will make a good tool
17:51:10 <b_jonas> it's a very interesting string-based language
17:51:42 <b_jonas> oh, and 2006 has UM-32, another low-level cpu-like language, I recommend that one
17:51:45 <b_jonas> see https://esolangs.org/wiki/UM-32
17:51:57 <kspalaiologos> yes yes
17:52:00 <kspalaiologos> this is the one on my mind
17:52:00 <b_jonas> well, see the original contest description that must be linked from it instead
17:52:24 <b_jonas> and there were contests every year since, but I don't have the links
17:52:48 <kspalaiologos> I'll remove instructions 3,4,5
17:53:01 <kspalaiologos> 8,9 and add realloced permagen instead
17:53:11 <kspalaiologos> or not
17:53:17 <kspalaiologos> because this seems like harvard architecture to me
17:54:16 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: if you change instructions, you won't be able to run the code that contains the contest
17:54:23 <b_jonas> you wanted code examples, there is one, the Codex
17:54:30 <b_jonas> if you want to run that, you need the full language
17:54:32 <kspalaiologos> I can write em myself
17:55:02 <b_jonas> oh, so you don't want existing example programs after all?
17:56:37 <kspalaiologos> example programs are here to point me the direction
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17:56:47 <kspalaiologos> not for anything else
17:56:59 <b_jonas> and to test the correctness of your interpreter
17:57:06 <kspalaiologos> yes
17:57:09 <kspalaiologos> and, hah, interesting to see
17:57:14 <kspalaiologos> someone is taking on brainfuck assembly too
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00:27:00 <int-e> @metar lowI
00:27:01 <lambdabot> LOWI 030020Z AUTO 26004KT 9999 FEW005 BKN007 17/16 Q1017
00:27:48 <shachaf> I put my thing up: https://github.com/shachaf/mustardwatch
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00:44:18 <zzo38> I thought of some idea of Magic: the Gathering card: {?} World Enchantment ;; When ~ enters the battlefield, each player may put a world card from their graveyard into their hand. ;; The world rule does not apply. ;; Cumulative upkeep {2}
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00:49:26 <zzo38> Do you like this?
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02:23:51 <zzo38> Would you find the mistake in my program before I did?
02:24:18 <zzo38> (Or if the mistake is rather the test)
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05:57:09 <zzo38> (I think the mistake was actually the test)
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06:49:33 <zzo38> I thought of a simple way to make a C and PostScript polyglot program: Write the PostScript code first, with "/* pop" at the beginning, and "quit */" or "currentfile flushfile */" at the end.
06:52:14 <myname> while you are at it, you could also make it lhs
06:53:50 <zzo38> Yes, that can be done easily enough, too.
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07:04:51 <zzo38> (I don't know if you need a C and PostScript polyglot; I do use C and shell script polyglots though.)
07:14:11 <shachaf> For what?
07:16:15 <zzo38> Mainly to include compilation commands in the file
07:19:17 <shachaf> But all my shell scripts include #!
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07:24:57 <zzo38> Yes, although I just run it with "bash xyz.c" or whatever, so #! is not needed in that case (nor is the execute bit needed).
07:31:19 <zzo38> (My shell scripts that are not C programs do include #! at first and do have the execute bit)
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08:58:43 <b_jonas> zzo38: another way to make a C and PostScript polyglot depends on the C++ digraphs that were introduced to C by the C95 standard: https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=520045
09:01:19 <b_jonas> https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=523373 has a more polyglot version
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09:03:41 <b_jonas> zzo38: the longer C and PostScript polyglot uses a different trick to start out and no digraphs: https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=591502
09:03:57 <b_jonas> (I'm pretty sure I know who posted those anonymous nodes.)
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09:31:53 <shachaf> `5 w
09:31:57 <HackEso> 1/1:lkoen//LKoen vivait en haut de la Tour Eiffel, mais il s'est préfixé d'un L et s'est envolé. \ paperless//In a paperless world, rock would never lose. \ dew//In the Famous Mountains of York, Taneb makes dew. \ warning//Warnings indicate when you are doing something dangerous, like using operator precedence. \ just intonation//Bad-tempered people can be recognized by just intonation.
09:34:52 <int-e> `cwlprits just intonation
09:34:54 <HackEso> Jafët
09:35:29 <int-e> maybe it was funny in context? seems entirely forgettable to me...
09:37:14 <cpressey> int-e: I think it's play on "bad-tempered" vs "well-tempered"?
09:37:35 <int-e> cpressey: ah, maybe
09:37:56 * int-e isn't very musical.
09:38:21 <cpressey> @tell arseniiv Right, so lambdabot doesn't actually tell you that you have messages, until you *say something* on the channel.
09:38:21 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
09:38:35 <int-e> cpressey: it certainly makes it better :)
09:39:31 <int-e> cpressey: I believe the main lambdabot authors were the screen- or irc bouncer kind of people.
09:40:00 <int-e> which makes merely joining a channel a bad indicator of activity
09:40:56 <cpressey> it's just that we were trying to figure out what the trigger actually was, the other day
09:41:39 <int-e> It's activity on the channel. And then there's a rate limit, so I suppose testing it out can be a little hard.
09:42:47 <int-e> (I'd have to check the code, but I believe it just keeps a time stamp of the latest notification which is checkd even when there are new messages.)
09:44:19 <int-e> Let me check actually.
09:46:02 <int-e> I'm wrong. There is a rate limit (pretty low, once per day), but it is reset when a new message is added.
09:49:07 <shachaf> It's an above-average pun for wisdom, I think!
09:50:07 <int-e> shachaf: It's good, but too advanced for me.
09:51:32 <int-e> does anybody else find youtube's (relatively new) mini player annoying?
09:53:21 <shachaf> I'm not sure I've seen it.
09:53:24 <int-e> (What happens is that I search for a video, click a thumbnail, and expect to get the video page... but if I click a bit too far to the right it triggers the "add to queue" action that activates the mini player.)
09:53:56 <shachaf> YouTube seems pretty user-hostile to me. They always turn on autoplay which I doubt is what hardly anyone wants by default, but is surely good for \rainbow{engagement}.
09:54:55 <int-e> Good use of the rainbow command.
09:55:24 <int-e> Yes, autoplay is high on my personal list of youtube annoyances.
09:55:33 <shachaf> I would use the actual rainbow command, but I think you have colors and colours disabled.
09:55:44 <int-e> I do.
09:55:48 <shachaf> Anyway, as Google says: "We believe that advertising can be effective without being flashy. We don’t accept pop–up advertising, which interferes with your ability to see the content you’ve requested."
09:55:54 <shachaf> I think YouTube captures this quite well.
09:56:51 <shachaf> Man, the Pragmatics of SAT workshop is in about 4 hours.
09:57:08 <shachaf> I kind of want to try attending but I doubt I should be awake then.
10:00:50 <int-e> I guess the mini player (or rather, the queuing feature that goes with it) could actually be fun if I didn't trigger it accidently so much.
10:01:57 <int-e> But then again, 95% of the time I want to watch one video at a time.
10:02:57 <int-e> I think I even asked here how to play an individual video from a playlist not too long ago.
10:03:35 <int-e> Oh well. Enough whining about bad UI/UX for today. :)
10:08:27 <shachaf> Using random SAT instances for testing was probably not a great idea.
10:10:07 <int-e> hmm
10:11:01 <cpressey> Speaking of \rainbow{engagement}, I am saddened to note that Mozilla has apparently decided that their browser's "blank page" should in fact include headlines/previews of "recommended articles"
10:11:16 <int-e> I know I've read a bit about random instances but nothing stuck.
10:12:14 <shachaf> Well, many of the interesting tricks are just not very relevant for random instances.
10:12:20 <int-e> cpressey: Yeah I still configure it to have a proper blank page.
10:12:47 <shachaf> Apparently there was a lot of progress when people started using industrial instances instead of random instances as benchmarks?
10:13:13 <shachaf> I heard a similar thing about allocators -- that people used to test allocator performance with synthetic workloads, and they became much better when people started using real workloads.
10:13:23 <int-e> It's hard to have random instances that simultaneously exhibt the kind of locality you get in real life.
10:13:49 <int-e> But that's just a vague idea that sounds smart, with no real insight in how to overcome it.
10:14:11 <shachaf> https://ece.uwaterloo.ca/~vganesh/Publications_files/vg2015-SATGraf-SAT15.pdf is probably related to that?
10:15:00 <shachaf> I like the pretty SAT instance pictures.
10:15:04 <int-e> cpressey: mozilla's doing way too much syndication these days.
10:15:22 <int-e> including things like "recommend extensions when you browse"
10:15:28 <int-e> s/when/as/
10:15:31 <cpressey> int-e: Yeah, I've noticed.
10:16:21 <shachaf> Today's recommended extension is .jpg
10:17:36 <int-e> `? password
10:17:37 <HackEso> The password of the month is peeping Tom.
10:19:50 <int-e> Ah right, null window searches.
10:20:00 <int-e> Anyway, July's is still up for grabs.
10:20:20 <shachaf> `learn The password of the month is still up for grabs.
10:20:25 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is still up for grabs.
10:21:39 <int-e> mmm setting potm by proxy
10:21:52 <shachaf> I figured you were doing that.
10:22:06 <shachaf> I mean, with maybe 70% confidence.
10:22:14 <shachaf> Of course I don't get points for saying that after you.
10:22:57 <int-e> I wasn't, but is anybody going to believe that...
10:23:10 <shachaf> Oh no.
10:23:33 <shachaf> Now it's the worst of all worlds for me.
10:23:55 <shachaf> Hmm, I have this function that writes some strings to a FILE * argument. If you pass it stdout it works fine, but if you pass it stderr it writes and flushes a lot of small strings.
10:23:59 <shachaf> What's the way to get around that?
10:24:18 <shachaf> I guess ideally it wouldn't write to a FILE * at all but just give you a string, or something...
10:24:44 <shachaf> Well, I don't know what's ideal.
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10:28:20 <int-e> tinker with setbuf() to make stderr buffered, or write to a string buffer, then write that to the file?
10:28:41 <int-e> (or setlinebuf)
10:29:03 <shachaf> I wonder what would be a good API to give callers in practice.
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10:30:07 <int-e> Hmm, wasn't aware of fmemopen.
10:31:10 <int-e> (or its dynamic friend, open_memstream)
10:33:07 <shachaf> That's another thing I was considering.
10:33:26 <shachaf> Or rather I was considering open_memstream, I didn't know about the other one.
10:35:03 <shachaf> In the general case you don't necessarily want the entire output to be in memory, though. You just want a fixed buffer that you can flush.
10:35:28 <shachaf> I guess setbuf works OK but it makes the caller do more work.
10:37:53 <shachaf> Maybe the function should do its own buffering.
10:38:07 <int-e> ideally you'd add a buffer temporarily if there isn't one already... but you can't query whether an fd is buffered, I think.
10:38:33 <int-e> Err, file handle, of FILE * type.
10:39:16 <shachaf> Yes.
10:39:32 <shachaf> I mean, the ideal API to present is maybe something like a state machine, but that makes the function way more work to write.
10:44:19 <cpressey> /* Note: this function makes many small writes to the FILE * passed to it -- it may behoove you to ensure it is buffered. */
10:44:36 <cpressey> That's all I'd do
10:44:42 <int-e> "behoove"
10:44:50 <int-e> so fancy
10:47:00 <cpressey> It's a word that I use strangely frequently considering how funny it is
10:47:11 <cpressey> It's just that it's the mot juste sometimes
10:47:46 <int-e> It's fine, just really rare, and maybe a tad condescending.
10:48:11 <cpressey> "it may be in your interests to ensure that it's buffered" is a bit long. "You might want to ensure it is buffered", maybe.
10:48:20 <cpressey> My point is, I don't know what the caller wants.
10:48:20 <int-e> So maybe a bit out of place for technical documentation? I don't know.
10:48:36 <cpressey> Maybe they want lots of small writes on an unbuffered stream. It's possible!
10:48:55 <int-e> It's hard to phrase this in a way that does not come across as condescending. You are giving advice after all.
10:49:34 <cpressey> The other option is just to have the first part of the comment, and hope the client can infer the second part.
10:50:19 <int-e> As a result, this function may be slow on unbuffered streams.
10:50:56 <cpressey> Sure, that's less opinionated.
10:51:55 <int-e> You better ensure the stream is buffered unless you like your code slowing down to a crawl!
10:52:11 <int-e> You are somewhere in the middle of that spectrum :)
10:52:52 <int-e> This is also really close to bikeshedding.
10:54:14 <shachaf> cpressey: OK, but it's supposed to be maximally convenient to use.
10:54:58 <shachaf> Maybe making every caller do setbuf is OK, but it seems annoying since this'll be in all of my programs.
10:56:40 <int-e> maximal convenience indicates you should bite the bullet and do your own internal buffering, and live with the memory overhead and potential double copying.
10:56:47 <shachaf> The specific case is a function that generates --help text for programs.
10:57:06 <shachaf> So it probably all doesn't matter.
10:57:15 <int-e> otoh this doesn't sound performance critical at all
10:57:37 <shachaf> It isn't.
10:57:45 <int-e> then KISS it
10:58:08 <shachaf> It's just this does things like indenting by printing a bunch of spaces in a loop, and it's not great to have each one be a system call.
10:58:22 <int-e> (Huh, why have I never seen anybody use that as a verb? It's so natural!)
10:58:58 <int-e> I guess the sexual connotations make it inappropriate in most contexts.
10:58:58 <shachaf> I think everyone says "KitSS". It really rolls off the tongue.
11:00:34 <int-e> aren't there things like printf("%*s", n, "")?
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11:11:34 <shachaf> Oh, hmm.
11:12:45 <shachaf> I guess there are!
11:13:52 <shachaf> That helps with the worst of it. But there are still other things like if (x) { printf("..."); } else { printf(" "); }
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11:18:38 <cpressey> <shachaf> The specific case is a function that generates --help text for programs. <== I'm going to go out on a limb and say that on modern machines, such text will always easily fit in memory.
11:19:13 <shachaf> It's true. But then the caller would need to give it a buffer or something.
11:19:17 <shachaf> Or it would need to use malloc.
11:20:03 <cpressey> Would it be a sad thing for it to use malloc?
11:20:38 <cpressey> In specific, I had the thought, "If only there was a version of sprintf() that just doubles the size of the buffer each time it would otherwise overflow".
11:21:03 <cpressey> But to be fair I haven't programmed in C in years and years now
11:22:15 <shachaf> Well, it's silly for an API to use malloc if it doesn't need to.
11:22:28 <shachaf> It might not be available.
11:22:37 <shachaf> And it isn't great for temporary allocations anyway.
11:24:39 <int-e> Obviously you should be using CPP magic to make the help message a constant string.
11:25:11 <shachaf> I'm already using too much other magic to generate it.
11:27:08 <int-e> It's important to hang on to those shreds of sanity :)
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12:29:41 <t20kdc> it's a language-dependent thing
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12:36:24 <fungot> arseniiv: ( and he didn't bother.
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14:02:47 <cpressey> arseniiv: hi. Generalized Minksy machine is very cool, but to implement it in Tandem wouldn't you need to be able to define a concrete string representation for each of the values? Would there be a way to do this canonically?
14:04:30 <arseniiv> cpressey: hi!
14:04:33 <cpressey> (btw, Tandem is still broken, because ⊥ and algebraic manipulations hate each other)
14:06:11 <arseniiv> I’d represent values in a prefix (Polish) notation, or maybe in a S-expression notation or similar, but it seems they are all stack-unfriendly
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14:08:58 <arseniiv> for example let { data Nat = Z | S Nat; data ListN = N | C Nat ListN }, then I would represent C (S (S Z)) $ C Z $ C (S (S (S Z))) N as CSSZCZCSSSZN or (C(S(SZ))(CZ(C(S(S(SZ)))N)))
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14:09:45 <arseniiv> hm no, it seems S-expressions may be friendly if we use something to track open parentheses discarded, why
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14:10:33 <arseniiv> well that’s all like you used for the usual Minsky machine with nats, though you used an empty string for Z
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14:11:09 <arseniiv> CSSZCZCSSSZN => looks Czech and Hungarian to me
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14:13:25 <arseniiv> cpressey: answering your question in full, yeah, I believe a representation like those would be canonical. We can even use multi-letter constructors, I forgot one can match many characters at once
14:15:49 <arseniiv> like Cons␣S␣S␣Z␣Cons␣Z␣Nil␣ for the prefix version, ending each name in a space. Though this is not the deal of course, but it’s neat we can be faithful to the details of the original haskell-like naming of constructors
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14:16:19 <arseniiv> I like these space brackets ␣␣␣
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14:16:50 <arseniiv> I used them sometimes long time ago when I wrote programs by hand
14:17:12 <arseniiv> don’t remember where I learned about them
14:17:46 <cpressey> I see, I think. Well, as long as you can build & consume them from one side only, you only need one stack to hold them (and if you can't, you can probably put them across two stacks, like a tape, if you're prepared to juggle them a bit)
14:17:54 <arseniiv> kspalaiologos: hi how are your languages doing?
14:18:13 <kspalaiologos> I wrote an emulator
14:18:17 <kspalaiologos> for this UM32 thingy
14:18:43 <kspalaiologos> it works, and it's moderately obfuscated
14:18:52 <kspalaiologos> the best settings for some reason break the program so I'm checking it
14:19:08 <arseniiv> cpressey: yeah maybe two stacks would be enough, didn’t thought about that. One is definitely not, as we can’t add from another end. Hmm how about a deque-rewriting language where you can match on both ends?
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14:21:51 <arseniiv> though that would need a revamp of the Haskell impl as it currently uses lists
14:22:09 <arseniiv> and that would be not a minimal language anymore
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14:29:23 <kspalaiologos> aye
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14:39:32 <cpressey> Hmm. It is a bit difficult to simulate matching either end of a deque, when you simulate the deque with two stacks. Each stack needs to be a full copy and, when you rewrite one of them, you have to make the same change to the other (but since it's upside-down, a fair bit of work is involved)
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15:03:35 <arseniiv> cpressey: yeah, both ends at the same time is tricky. Maybe one could first shuffle all content to the left half-stack, then shuffle the matched amount of character back, and if there’s no match on either end, it should be genuine
15:03:50 <arseniiv> s/character/characters
15:04:59 <arseniiv> oh wait there is no “match any character and then place it here”, that’s a minor difficulty too
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17:33:46 <b_jonas> "<kspalaiologos> I wrote an emulator / for this UM32 thingy" => nice
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17:53:42 <b_jonas> "<shachaf> YouTube [...] always turn on autoplay" => disagreed, in my experience they turn on autoplay but it's easy to turn off and they only turn it back on once every six years or so, so that part isn't too annoying
17:53:55 <shachaf> Well, I mean they turn it on by default.
17:54:09 <shachaf> I do all my browsing in fresh browser sessions so I have to turn it off constantly.
17:54:45 <b_jonas> shachaf: ah. I browse youtube from the same few sessions all the time (as in, same one session at home until I reinstall the OS, one session at the work computer etc)
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17:55:36 <b_jonas> "<int-e> [...] how to play an individual video from a [youtube] playlist" => there was an easy interface for that in at least some previous version of youtube, let me check
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17:57:08 <b_jonas> int-e: can't find a very easy way now, the easiest I recommend is to load the video in the playlist then edit the url bar to remove the "list" GET parameter
17:57:30 <b_jonas> that, or use youtube-dl, which can list playlists
17:57:33 <b_jonas> and metadata
18:02:47 <b_jonas> "<int-e> [mozilla] "recommend extensions when you browse"" => how is that a bad thing? that means that they don't put those extensions as stuff suddenly appearing in your browser at a software update and annoying you by default until you disable it. they're showing restraint compared to how firefox usually works by only recommending stuff.
18:05:30 <b_jonas> "<shachaf> this function that writes some strings to a FILE * argument. If you pass it stdout it works fine, but if you pass it stderr it writes and flushes a lot of small strings. / What's the way to get around that?" =>
18:05:42 <shachaf> /last fine
18:05:45 <shachaf> Oops.
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18:07:39 <b_jonas> if you can afford an extra syscall, then dup stderr, fdopen the dupe, setvbuf it to block-buffered, write into that FILE *, fflush and fclose at leisure. otherwise it's trickier and libc-dependent -- perl and python have easy ways to create an extra file descriptor without duping the underlying handle but libc doesn't.
18:13:11 <b_jonas> if you are using a libc that has the open_memstream function (which is in POSIX and glibc) and can afford to keep all the data that the function writes in memory at once, you can use open_memstream. otherwise glibc has non-portable functions to create a FILE * with custom backend functions, so you can probably implement an equivalent of fdopen that doesn't require duping the fd using that.
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18:14:09 <b_jonas> if none of these conditions apply, then I don't know any other solution to get a suitable FILE *, you'll have to make a version of your function with a different interface.
18:16:12 <b_jonas> "<int-e> tinker with setbuf() to make stderr buffered," => setvbuf instead of the ancient setbuf please, but I don't recommend this, the problem is that something else may try to use your stderr, including another thread or a broken fatal error exit function that tries to write diagnostics to stderr and then _exits
18:16:54 <shachaf> b_jonas: I'm fine with a different interface.
18:17:15 <shachaf> In fact I would prefer to have the core API not depend on stdio, so it's usable in more contexts.
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18:22:41 <b_jonas> shachaf, int-e: mostly fmemopen is for reading, open_memstream is for writing.
18:26:08 <b_jonas> shachaf: perl and python let you just fdopen in such a way that it doesn't close the underlying fd when you close the fh. they work differently: perl uses refcounting and closes when you close the last fh, python lets you explicitly choose at open time, but for stderr this distinction is irrelevant. libc doesn't have such an interface for FILE*, but in gnu libc you can implement one from the general
18:26:14 <b_jonas> custom FILE creation functions. libstdc++ is similar: no builtin, but you can create a custom outputstream. in both cases, the library handles the buffering, and you effectively implement the write function, not the fwrite function.
18:31:52 <b_jonas> "<shachaf> It's just this does things like indenting by printing a bunch of spaces in a loop, and it's not great to have each one be a system call." => but the libc has printf("%.*s%s\n", (int)indent_count, "", line); for that, and that will not flush until the end
18:32:26 <shachaf> Yes, int-e mentioned that and I'm using it now.
18:32:54 <arseniiv> I’m worried that set-theoretic representation of partitions needs to explicitly forbid empty sets in them. Am I too far gone?
18:34:36 <b_jonas> well technically it's printf("%.s%s\n", (int)(unsigned)(indent_count < 0 ? 0 : indent_count), "", line); so that if you try to indent by more than two gigacolumns you get incorrect indentation instead of undefined behavior, but details.
18:35:58 <b_jonas> no sorry, make that just printf("%.s%s\n", (int)(unsigned)indent_count, "", line);
18:40:37 <b_jonas> "Well, it's silly for an API to use malloc if it doesn't need to." => this is for printing a --help machine. it's not a problem to use malloc for that, as long as you give a compilation option to just omit that entire feature
18:45:20 <shachaf> Well, you might be using it on a platform without malloc.
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18:52:19 <zzo38> I have used open_memstream, and there is also the SQLite functions like sqlite3_str_new which don't use the file interface but it can be used for a similar purpose. I also implemented straccum and strfunish in PostScript which is similar and it does use a file interface, like open_memstream in C does. Also, another way if you still need to keep the file descriptor open in C might be to duplicate it (although the effect is not quite the
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00:38:15 <b_jonas> you know how I still find the term "ground water" funny, because there's no way you can grind water to a fine powder. (xkcd makes the opposite point about ground beef.) well, today I found out there were such things as organ grinders. and no, those weren't like meat grinders used to grind liver.
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01:39:45 <Cale> b_jonas: They usually had a crank like one though
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01:48:03 <b_jonas> Cale: no, as far as I understand the organ grinder is the human operating and driving the organ, so the human doesn't have a crank]\
01:48:32 <esowiki> [[C-Hex]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75136&oldid=75135 * Feet2picture * (+35) /* HOW TO CODE IN IT */
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02:07:57 <Cale> b_jonas: Well, he turns the crank, similarly to someone who is grinding meat.
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07:51:05 <esowiki> [[Esoteric programming language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75142&oldid=61022 * A * (+30) /* Brevity */
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10:26:03 <int-e> `"
10:26:06 <HackEso> 1/1:135) <oerjan> it's not obvious from quantum mechanics that you can destroy a universe arbitrarily. \ 6) <oerjan> what, you mean that wasn't your real name? <Warrigal> Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that.
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12:55:46 <j-bot> b_jonas: 51973.2
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15:32:55 <kspalaiologos> b_jonas, I've finished writing some programs for it
15:33:10 <kspalaiologos> I put it through my obfuscator and the package is downloadable from my website
15:33:18 <kspalaiologos> http://kspalaiologos.now.im/doc/contest.zip - if you're feeling like it, you can give it a shot
15:33:59 <kspalaiologos> there are two binaries, the 3KB one has more obfuscated operations and a bit simpler control flow, while the 2nd one has a heavily obfuscated control flow and quite plain operations
15:34:20 <kspalaiologos> overall they're quite small, with the 1st one barely hitting the 1,7KB mark
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15:34:39 <kspalaiologos> I changed stuff around to my liking and engineered a 24-byte cat for it
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15:51:46 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: for UM-32? and you call it "contest.zip" like there's only one good contest esolang?
15:53:03 <kspalaiologos> no, it's just my entry
15:53:05 <kspalaiologos> for the contest
15:53:17 <b_jonas> for what contest?
15:53:22 <kspalaiologos> organised at esolangs server
15:53:28 <kspalaiologos> lemme paste over the desc
15:53:30 <b_jonas> huh... do you have a link?
15:53:38 <kspalaiologos> I'll send later
15:53:47 <b_jonas> thanks
15:53:54 <kspalaiologos> reverse-engineering contests: given a bug-less interpreter, try to understand the underlying language and write a simple program in it (fizzbuzz maybe? hello world? cat?)
15:53:54 <kspalaiologos> The interpreter author has to write the sample beforehand and release it after the contest is over
15:54:24 <b_jonas> that reminds me. can we finally change the wiki featured language?
15:54:53 <kspalaiologos> I propose asm2bfd.
15:54:56 <kspalaiologos> *asm2bf
15:55:36 <b_jonas> so you wrote two obfuscated interpreters for the same language?
15:58:50 <int-e> just use public key crypto
15:59:12 <int-e> (nobody said it would have to be a fair challenge)
15:59:46 <b_jonas> heh
16:00:01 <b_jonas> as in code signing
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16:09:45 <arseniiv> did you know that if you define multiplication on C² as (z, w) ⋅ (z′, w′) = (z z′ ± w w′*, z w′ + w z′*) then you get quaternions in the − case (this is the usual Cayley—Dickson construction) or the full Clifford algebra of the euclidean plane in the + case?
16:11:52 <arseniiv> my target was the last one, as I knew C is isomorphic to the even subalgebra of that (H is also an even subalgebra, but for 3D euclidean Clifford algebra, and now you can start suspecting something), but I also accidentally rediscovered you get H when you simply change sign
16:14:32 <arseniiv> the construction is in fact very basic: you just take C and add an element i′ such that i i′ = −i′ i (in other words, z i′ = i′ z*), and when i′² = +1 then that’ll get you Cl(2, 0, R) and if i′² = −1 (and we can think of it as j or e. g. k) that’ll deliver you H
16:15:18 <arseniiv> (and that sign in the multiplication definition above is precisely the sign of i′²)
16:16:14 <kspalaiologos> b_jonas, yes
16:16:17 <arseniiv> so in the end you may use pairs of complex numbers to represent reflections and all that, not only rotations and scalings
16:16:18 <b_jonas> you know how in IEEE floating point numbers, -0 is the additive identity, more so than 0? so when someone mentions 0 in some unfamiliar number system, you should think of it as the value you get from x-x for almost any x, as opposed to think of it as the additive identity
16:16:21 <kspalaiologos> first one compiled with other obfuscation and compiler settings
16:16:31 <kspalaiologos> check the readme
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18:04:14 <arseniiv> do you know something (a book, a book-like website) good teaching SQL? A friend asked and I don’t have any bibliography on it
18:07:49 <kspalaiologos> b_jonas, so, any ideas?
18:08:01 <kspalaiologos> how would you rate the difficulty
18:08:09 <kspalaiologos> and which binary is harder to wrap your head around
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18:16:31 <kspalaiologos> I wonder, is there a random assembly code generator somewhere
18:24:15 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: sorry, writing programs in esoteric languages isn't really my thing
18:24:23 <kspalaiologos> no, no
18:24:25 <kspalaiologos> I didn't mean this
18:24:36 <kspalaiologos> I just wanted to know did you take a look in a reverse engineering tool at the binaries
18:24:40 <b_jonas> and if I want to reverse engineer bad code, I just look at the stuff I maintain at work
18:24:46 <b_jonas> I don't do it for pleasure
18:24:47 <kspalaiologos> lul
18:25:00 <b_jonas> I'm not a malware research expert or security expert
18:25:01 <kspalaiologos> the output of my obfuscator is way worse than your colleagues' whatever
18:25:24 <kspalaiologos> I devoured hundreds of zines from my archives
18:25:24 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: no no, the output of your obfuscator is usually correct, so I don't have to touch it
18:25:35 <b_jonas> my coworkers code has random inconsistent bugs in it, and it has to be replaced
18:25:42 <kspalaiologos> the quality is worse than a BASIC programmer's spaghetti
18:25:47 <kspalaiologos> lol
18:25:52 <kspalaiologos> which language is it?
18:25:58 <b_jonas> I reverse engineer to find out what it was supposed to do, not for what it's doing
18:26:10 <kspalaiologos> hahaha
18:26:11 <kspalaiologos> okay
18:26:12 <b_jonas> it's Siemens GUI nonsense
18:26:19 <kspalaiologos> C?
18:26:23 <b_jonas> industrial stuff
18:26:25 <kspalaiologos> if it's C, then it's especially painful
18:26:28 <b_jonas> has a little C in it too
18:26:43 <kspalaiologos> but, giving a few features
18:26:51 <kspalaiologos> my obfuscator has well over 500 different transformers
18:27:09 <kspalaiologos> it requires a skilled assembly programmer to operate it, because it's still quite a requiring process to go through
18:27:26 <kspalaiologos> it has a polymorphic meta-engine
18:27:32 <b_jonas> that sounds terrible
18:27:32 <kspalaiologos> call hiding
18:27:45 <kspalaiologos> code structure mangling
18:27:55 <kspalaiologos> Ghidra literally fails to do anything with the binary
18:28:04 <kspalaiologos> it can also optimize and shrink binaries
18:28:20 <kspalaiologos> the original was 5KB on release full on size; while compiled on speed and packed it's 3KB
18:28:28 <kspalaiologos> and compiled on size and optimized it's 1,5KB
18:28:35 <kspalaiologos> the performance loss is marginal
18:28:50 <kspalaiologos> I went rogue for two weeks and wrote it around December last year
18:29:21 <kspalaiologos> the packed executables have a detection rate (false positives) of 1-4/72
18:29:55 <kspalaiologos> it also bundles some inlined intrisic functions
18:30:01 <kspalaiologos> that Visual C doesn't inline for whatever reason
18:30:21 <kspalaiologos> it can unwrap malloc/realloc/free calls into HeapAlloc/HeapRealloc etc
18:30:36 <kspalaiologos> so the dependency on the C runtime is really not a thing
18:30:57 <kspalaiologos> it can also do switch table mangling (literally every tool I tested for disassembly or decompilation has failed on this)
18:32:29 <kspalaiologos> there are a couple of disadvantages - you need to make a preset for every release (id est, review 500 checkboxes and comboboxes and other dialog popups regarding obfuscation, optimization and shrinking)
18:33:01 <kspalaiologos> and it sometimes produces crashing code, so I'm doing unit tests all the time and improving the transformers to be less aggressive if not desired
18:33:33 <kspalaiologos> I also wrote such a tool for Java, and I considered writing one for Lua to first mangle the Lua source code, then build it using luac, strip symbols and then obfuscate it on the assembly level
18:33:54 <kspalaiologos> cracking, reverse-engineering and malware is just my thing :p, especially malware analysis
18:34:05 <kspalaiologos> I have 100GB of malware samples on my PC
18:34:18 <zzo38> arseniiv: I just read the documentation of the database software to learn SQL. (In my case, I use SQLite; maybe you use something else)
18:37:43 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: 100 GB of malware samples?
18:37:44 <b_jonas> that sounds crazy
18:38:22 <kspalaiologos> yes
18:38:31 <kspalaiologos> DOS, Windows, Linux, MacOS, Symbian
18:38:38 <kspalaiologos> I have malware for most platforms
18:38:42 <kspalaiologos> I think I have some for 6502 computers
18:38:58 <kspalaiologos> there's also a lot of disassemblies I did, source code leaks
18:39:17 <kspalaiologos> but I'm a bit selfish and I'm not willing to share my malware :p
18:39:35 <kspalaiologos> but, if someone really wants... :d
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18:40:16 <b_jonas> no thanks, I don't want 100 GB of malware
18:40:24 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: do you do that for work?
18:40:27 <kspalaiologos> malware is lovely
18:40:33 <kspalaiologos> I wish I could work with malware
18:40:46 <kspalaiologos> I'm a poor student, what else can I do
18:40:52 <zzo38> I have the code for a computer virus of thirteen bytes: 35 00 3C 41 87 F2 CD 21 93 B4 40 CD 21
18:40:57 <kspalaiologos> I earn by writing assignments for people
18:41:09 <kspalaiologos> zzo38, I made a MBR overwriting trojan with a graphical payload in 86 bytes
18:41:51 <kspalaiologos> ugh what did I just witness
18:41:55 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: I don't mean malware specifically, but reverse engineering in general
18:41:58 <b_jonas> `? kspalaiologos
18:42:00 <HackEso> kspalaiologos is a brainfuck addict and a late night Perl hacker. He's secretly disassembling brainfuck code for a casino that lost the source code. Apparently knows the secret of Malbolge.
18:42:06 <kspalaiologos> I wish I could work with RE
18:42:07 <arseniiv> zzo38: thanks! I used SQLite a bit and read its docs, yeah, though I don’t think that’d be a friendly introductory read :)
18:42:08 <b_jonas> the casino brainfuck disassembly counts
18:42:19 <kspalaiologos> or sell my obfuscators
18:43:05 <kspalaiologos> sigh I need to run this virus, because it's not obvious at first what does it do
18:43:24 <zzo38> arseniiv: Well, I don't know, but at least I found it suitable.
18:43:30 <kspalaiologos> I see a file write
18:43:51 <kspalaiologos> does it like, overwrite command.com or something?
18:43:52 <kspalaiologos> interesting
18:44:27 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: now you have 100000013 bytes of malware
18:44:32 <arseniiv> <b_jonas> no thanks, I don't want 100 GB of malware => I bet at least half of it is a single virus written in Malbolge
18:44:38 <kspalaiologos> kek
18:44:50 <arseniiv> I knew you’d like that :D
18:44:55 <kspalaiologos> sure I would
18:45:09 <kspalaiologos> ugh it seems like I'm out of VMs
18:45:18 <kspalaiologos> I nuked all my VMs before, I need to install DOS
18:46:08 <arseniiv> zzo38: anyways that’s a good advice in general, I’d say
18:46:32 <b_jonas> perhaps it's one of those barely portable malware that work only with a specific old version of DOS
18:46:46 <kspalaiologos> no
18:46:49 <b_jonas> and only if you sys a floppy disk first thing you do
18:46:49 <kspalaiologos> I see the source code
18:46:59 <kspalaiologos> I'm 90% sure it pulls filename from the RAM
18:47:02 <kspalaiologos> within the first instruction
18:47:04 <kspalaiologos> opens the file
18:47:06 <kspalaiologos> and then truncates it
18:47:17 <kspalaiologos> I just have no idea which file is it
18:47:27 <kspalaiologos> // typing :wq! in MS-DOS edit was a brainfart
18:50:01 <kspalaiologos> yeah, int21h AH=3Ch is file open/truncate
18:50:09 <kspalaiologos> AL=0x00 it was set for whatever reason
18:50:18 <kspalaiologos> xor usage seems dubious here too
18:50:32 <kspalaiologos> inc cx => creates a readonly file
18:50:41 <kspalaiologos> xchg si, di => ??
18:50:50 <kspalaiologos> then it does int21h ah=0x40
18:50:56 <kspalaiologos> and this is file write
18:51:11 <b_jonas> "for whatever reason" => it's set because loading a two-byte constant to AX is three bytes, loading a one-byte constant to AH is three bytes, so it's usually free to set AX together
18:51:27 <kspalaiologos> there is no need to
18:51:30 <kspalaiologos> because AL ain't used
18:52:29 <kspalaiologos> xor ax,0x3c00 is 35 00 3c
18:52:39 <kspalaiologos> mov ah,0x3c is b43c
18:52:42 <kspalaiologos> it's one byte shorter
18:53:06 <b_jonas> hmm
18:53:15 <b_jonas> ok sorry I'm just stupid
18:53:55 <b_jonas> maybe it just wants to confuse antivirus tools that quickly look for MOV AH stuff
18:54:03 <kspalaiologos> may it be
18:54:50 <kspalaiologos> huh what
18:54:52 <kspalaiologos> it's not a trojan
18:54:57 <kspalaiologos> it just displays random gibberish for hell knows what reason
18:55:30 <kspalaiologos> system is intact
18:56:05 <kspalaiologos> my 2-byte virus is better: FAF4
18:56:37 <kspalaiologos> it will just wait for NMI
18:56:44 <kspalaiologos> more malicious version is EBFE
18:56:48 <kspalaiologos> id est, `jmp $'
18:58:24 <kspalaiologos> it doesn't work, because it tries to read the filename from ds:dx, which points to ds:0000
18:58:33 <kspalaiologos> in my case, it was some random gibberish
18:58:40 <kspalaiologos> the file open fails with code ax=05h
18:59:39 <kspalaiologos> it tries then to open file 05h
18:59:41 <kspalaiologos> and overwrite it
19:00:37 <kspalaiologos> and it just so happened that in my memory later there is push cs/pop ds/mov dx,256f/mov ax,0900/int21h, which displayed the gibberish
19:01:03 <kspalaiologos> because, unsurprisingly, this program isn't meant to terminate
19:04:49 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: ds:0000 is the start of the PSP which always has an executable instruction, I don't know how you'd find a filename there
19:05:06 <kspalaiologos> it's CS:000
19:05:09 <kspalaiologos> not DS
19:05:29 <kspalaiologos> when you load a DOS com executable, the offset is CS:0100
19:05:38 <kspalaiologos> because before, starting with CS:0000, there is the PSP
19:05:40 <b_jonas> this is a com file, CS and DS point to the same place
19:05:45 <kspalaiologos> ah
19:05:46 <kspalaiologos> well
19:05:46 <kspalaiologos> yes
19:05:48 <kspalaiologos> brainfart
19:06:02 <kspalaiologos> I don't know where would you take the filename from too
19:06:10 <kspalaiologos> hence the virus is screwed and doesn't work
19:06:12 <kspalaiologos> another piece of crap
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19:20:18 <zzo38> Maybe it isn't meant to be the entire program, but something put into another program? I don't know.
19:24:29 <kspalaiologos> it seems like random assembly code
19:24:53 <kspalaiologos> honestly, I was wondering, how could I somehow procedurally generate correctly-decompiling assembly code
19:25:07 <kspalaiologos> because this would be a game changer for my obfuscator, a little bit
19:25:20 <kspalaiologos> without going through all opcodes and other boring stuff
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01:55:39 <b_jonas> [ 32*12*0.0256
01:55:39 <j-bot> b_jonas: 9.8304
01:58:16 <b_jonas> `ftoc 72
01:58:17 <HackEso> 72.00°F = 22.22°C
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02:35:49 <zzo38> Why does Safari keep trying to request favicon.ico with every request even though the response is 410? Shouldn't it cache the response (whether 200 or 410)?
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07:31:08 <Taneb> zzo38: that seems like a bug in Safari
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07:39:34 <int-e> blasphemy
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09:48:00 <zzo38> Now I think I got the line breaking in TeXnicard to work properly. (Although, maybe there are still a few mistakes and/or missing stuff, I don't know.) (Also, there are some other features that I would intend to add in future, such as "sections".)
10:07:36 <esowiki> [[UM8]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75259 * Palaiologos * (+335) Created page with "UM8 is a virtual machine created by [[User:Palaiologos]] for the Esolang reverse-engineering contest. As the contest hasn't finished yet, the specification hasn't been publish..."
10:10:08 <esowiki> [[Talk:BF-ASM:8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75260&oldid=75256 * DmilkaSTD * (+438)
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11:01:10 <int-e> Pfft. https://mobile.twitter.com/anishgiri/status/1279716938143457281 "Why not mate in 1?" - "Because there's stuff I wanna do."
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11:27:16 <Arcorann> I remember reading about a computer chess match from about 1970 where one of the participants had a mate in one but instead of taking it shuffled its kings around. Meanwhile the opponent ended up promoting one of its pawns
11:43:17 <Arcorann> It was COKO III vs. Genie, ACM 1971 --> https://www.chessprogramming.org/Coko#Mate_in_one.3F
11:45:13 <Arcorann> https://lichess.org/aooMurBn <-- here it is on Lichess
11:45:32 <Arcorann> (link courtesy of TVTropes)
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11:54:39 <int-e> turns out I have a pgn viewer
11:54:44 <int-e> cute game
11:54:56 <int-e> must've been frustrating to the operators
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13:41:28 <arseniiv> I see now cyclotomic fields should be pretty comfortable to work with. For representing Q[√2], one can optimize away 8 rationals to just two (a coefficient for 1 and a coefficient for (exp(iτ/8) + exp(−iτ/8)) as is with the straightforward constructible representation. Merging two fields is also very easy for cyclotomics, just take LCM. But how to find sqrt(x) (and a new field for it)?
13:42:10 <rain1> cyclotomics are really "nice"
13:42:41 <rain1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplicative_group_of_integers_modulo_n the galois group is always this
13:42:52 <rain1> often cyclic
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14:29:11 <b_jonas> arseniiv: how would it be 8 rationals otherwise?
14:29:51 <b_jonas> I mean you can't just change the dimension of a finite dimensional vector field
14:30:45 <b_jonas> cyclotomic fields might be nice but I don't think they help for such a simple case as Q[sqrt(2)]
14:31:19 <rain1> no, another interesting set of fields is the nth roots of primes
14:31:27 <rain1> they are non-galois extensions
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14:31:38 <rain1> but paired with an nth root of unity you have a galois ext. again
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15:10:54 <arseniiv> b_jonas: I mean, when one doesn’t know the exact dimension of Q_n over Q, one just can take n rationals and compute, though equality and several other things will be more complex than they should be
15:14:03 <arseniiv> and this way is even necessary sometimes, I heard there are modules where you don’t have a basis but you can take some linearly dependent systems in its place
15:14:31 <arseniiv> of course that’s why we love fields over rings
15:15:18 <arseniiv> “over” not in mathematical sense
15:15:39 <arseniiv> I wouldn’t even know what field over a ring would be
15:16:15 <arseniiv> that may be outright nonsentical
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16:15:08 <esowiki> [[J--]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75295&oldid=59014 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+76) rm ln & +cats
16:22:02 <myname> for a moment i thought J-- was a reduced version of J :(
16:22:36 <kspalaiologos> hm
16:22:41 <kspalaiologos> writing a subset of J would be fun
16:23:50 <myname> also, that j-- looks boring
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16:26:28 <b_jonas> maybe it's java without turing-complete generics
16:27:46 <b_jonas> no... it's java without classes. that's weird
16:28:46 <myname> and some arbitrary substitutes. and a weird stdlib
16:30:27 <esowiki> [[Interpreter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75298&oldid=18107 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24)
16:30:50 <myname> replacing "public static" with "fn" completely misses the point. it looks like it was made by someone that dislikes javas verboseness without actually understanding it
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16:43:13 <lucky> Hey folks, if I'm sketching out ideas for a subleq hardware implementation, would the wiki be an appropriate place for that (at least when it comes to the programming/machine interface side of it)?
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18:33:00 <b_jonas> `? cake
18:33:02 <HackEso> The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake.
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18:57:54 <esowiki> [[User:Feet2picture]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75304 * Feet2picture * (+47) Created page with "Creator of [[C-Hex]]. Pretty much everything..."
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21:09:05 <esowiki> [[Amnesia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75308&oldid=38977 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+27) cat &&& wip
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22:09:45 <arseniiv> fungot hi
22:09:45 <fungot> arseniiv: eval ( fnord...) body...)) f))) 0 3, 0
22:09:53 <arseniiv> wow
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01:01:07 <esowiki> [[BF-ASM:8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75322&oldid=75258 * DmilkaSTD * (-42) yey finished, time to make compiler
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03:13:50 <int-e> @devils cat
03:13:52 <lambdabot> *** "cat" devil "The Devil's Dictionary (1881-1906)"
03:13:52 <lambdabot> CAT, n. A soft, indestructible automaton provided by nature to be
03:13:52 <lambdabot> kicked when things go wrong in the domestic circle.
03:13:52 <lambdabot>
03:13:52 <lambdabot> This is a dog,
03:13:54 <lambdabot> [7 @more lines]
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04:36:16 <int-e> `"
04:36:18 <HackEso> 1/1:283) <crystal-cola> http://www.sessionmagazine.com/img/nature/worlds-10-smallest-animals/worlds-10-smallest-animals07.jpg <crystal-cola> worlds biggest thumb \ 1168) <int-e> fungot has not done me any harm yet <fungot> int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord
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04:54:31 <lambdabot> amstan says: best device i ever used, my nexus tablet is only an alarm clock now \ Cheshire says: Ruby is the same as Java
04:58:54 <zzo38> I think it is not the same?
05:03:49 <shachaf> Man, is there no way to do nonblocking reads on stdin when it's a tty device?
05:04:58 <zzo38> Maybe you have to switch it to noncanonical mode; I don't know
05:05:41 <shachaf> Even then reads are blocking, right?
05:06:11 <zzo38> Well, I think you can set reads to be nonblocking then
05:06:21 <shachaf> Is the thing people do to read one byte at a time, and poll between each byte?
05:06:28 <shachaf> You can?
05:07:03 <zzo38> I am not sure though; maybe I misremembered
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05:42:50 <int-e> @bot
05:42:58 <lambdabot> :)
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07:10:51 <esowiki> [[Pxem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75336&oldid=73328 * YamTokTpaFa * (+5) /* Others */
07:11:02 <esowiki> [[Pxem]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75337&oldid=75336 * YamTokTpaFa * (+2) /* Others */
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09:21:14 <esowiki> [[UM8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75342&oldid=75341 * Palaiologos * (-2) formatting
09:26:06 <shachaf> `"
09:26:09 <HackEso> 1/1:733) <shachaf> U+2205 [∅] NO LETTER O ALLOWED \ 1063) <Phantom_Hoover> my emergency contacts list somehow has my father listed in both slots, in one of them as my daughter
09:44:06 <esowiki> [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75343 * Heavpoot * (+3503) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name= |paradigms=imperative |author=[[Heavpoot]] |year=[[:Category:2020|2020]] |memsys=[[:Category:Cell-based|Cell-based]] |dimensions=-dimensional (wit..."
09:55:20 <esowiki> [[Heavpoot]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75344 * Heavpoot * (+45) Created page with "you're probably looking for [[User:Heavpoot]]"
09:58:18 <esowiki> [[User:Heavpoot]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75345 * Heavpoot * (+328) Created page with "[[User:Heavpoot]] is a humanoid entity which exists, and is corporeal, much like most members of this community. ==Languages made== * Various undocumented esolangs which will..."
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10:06:01 <esowiki> [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75346&oldid=75343 * Heavpoot * (+213)
10:06:30 <esowiki> [[Category:-dimensional languages]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75347 * Heavpoot * (+66) Created page with "Languages which have source code extending in infinite dimensions."
10:08:03 <esowiki> [[Category:-dimensional languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75348&oldid=75347 * Heavpoot * (+41)
10:15:08 <esowiki> [[Talk:!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75349 * Heavpoot * (+25) Created page with "communism good - Heavpoot"
10:23:57 <esowiki> [[UM8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75350&oldid=75342 * LyricLy * (-1)
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10:35:10 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75351&oldid=74806 * Heavpoot * (+68)
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10:35:56 <esowiki> [[Category:!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism! derivatives]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75352 * Heavpoot * (+88) Created page with "Languages closely related or inspired by [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]]."
10:50:51 <int-e> argh
10:52:28 <shachaf> `"
10:52:30 <HackEso> 1/1:985) <boily> I hate telecom abbreviations I hate telecom abbreviations good morning all I hate telecom abbreviations. \ 1275) <int-e> I couldn't help thinking that maybe if one considers the ramifications in full detail it will turn out that overthinking is often not helpful and therefore, not something to be proud of.
11:01:17 <int-e> I guess the language page is funny, but it could do without adding two completely useless categories.
11:01:31 <kspalaiologos> what the hell is this
11:02:10 <int-e> Also not a fan of creating a pointer to a user page into the main namespace.
11:02:21 <int-e> s/creating/placing/
11:07:43 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75353&oldid=75351 * Int-e * (-68) Undo revision 75351 by [[Special:Contributions/Heavpoot|Heavpoot]] ([[User talk:Heavpoot|talk]]) -- new categories should be discussed on [[Esolang:Categorization]]
11:08:09 <int-e> (unfortunately deleting categories needs admin powers)
11:10:05 <esowiki> [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75354&oldid=75346 * Int-e * (-34) fix categories (new categories should be discussed on [[Esolang:Categorization]]
11:14:09 <int-e> Hmm will ais523 notice if we mention him here?
11:16:18 <int-e> Who else is there, actually. oerjan's been missing. fizzie probably has the power, but he's usually working more on the server side on things.
11:18:00 <int-e> cpressey, apparently. I wonder whether he even knows about that :)
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11:43:25 <esowiki> [[C-Hex]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75357&oldid=75328 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-2) /* Errors */ Uni->I
11:44:28 <esowiki> [[Code is eso]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75358&oldid=75324 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-12) /* Syntax */ not all casesensitive langs need ALLCAPS
11:47:28 <esowiki> [[Baba is program]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75359&oldid=74388 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+17) nowiki::=pre
11:48:31 <esowiki> [[Talk:!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75360&oldid=75349 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+45) {{Selfbot}}
11:50:24 <fizzie> Yeah, I'm very unfamiliar with actually using the MediaWiki interface to do anything.
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12:42:52 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75368&oldid=75367 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) /* Computation class */
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12:44:30 <ais523> int-e: I noticed even without the ping; however, the ping made me come here to talk it through rather than just editing the wiki unilaterally
12:45:40 <int-e> Ah. Well, IM(not so)HO there's no added value in those two added categories, so there's no reason to keep them.
12:46:08 <ais523> my plan is to delete the two newly added categories, and anything else can be sorted out without admin powers
12:46:37 <int-e> how do you feel about https://esolangs.org/wiki/Heavpoot ?
12:46:54 <ais523> cross-namespace redirect, isn't it?
12:47:03 <ais523> albeit written out in words rather than automated
12:47:28 <int-e> (I don't like it but I guess there's no actual policy against it.)
12:47:36 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Category:-dimensional languages]]": unapproved category (see [[Esolang:Policy]])
12:47:52 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Category:!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism! derivatives]]": unapproved category (see [[Esolang:Policy]])
12:48:15 <ais523> well it's in the wrong namespace
12:48:43 <ais523> it would have to be a page written about Heavpoot by someone else to be valid in the main namespace, and I'm not sure they're prolific enough for people to be likely to do that
12:49:09 <ais523> (compare https://esolangs.org/wiki/ais523 with https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:ais523)
12:49:36 <Arcorann> Might as well just delete it (it's what I'd do)
12:50:05 <esowiki> [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75369&oldid=75356 * Int-e * (+14) link directly to user page
12:50:52 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Heavpoot]]": cross-namespace (soft) redirect
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14:02:36 <esowiki> [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75378&oldid=75370 * Heavpoot * (-32)
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15:30:17 <esowiki> [[Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75392&oldid=72997 * B jonas * (-236) That statement about ayacc has been false for years now.
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15:34:38 <arseniiv> if I make a hexagon with sides made by stacking 10k usual hexagons each, then the error of connecting the first edge to the last is 8.19597e-8, quite large and quite small at the same time
15:34:58 <arseniiv> that is with simple algorithms and using double precision
15:35:58 <arseniiv> this hexagon construction is the simplest test I could think of
15:36:39 <esowiki> [[Antonio Maschio]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75394&oldid=43584 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) way back
15:37:21 <arseniiv> ah, they are also randomly rotated, so the error may change a bit from run to run. If I would just translate them, the error would be of course smaller, but it wouldn’t be as useful to illustrate what would happen with real tesselations
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15:39:26 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Cmt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75396&oldid=75395 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+18) /* Hello World! */ outputTt
15:57:46 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Hakerh400 * uploaded "[[File:Yume - unsolved puzzle.png]]": Yume - example of an unsolved puzzle.
15:58:53 <myname> why aren't those files linked?
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16:08:27 <arseniiv> b_jonas: hi
16:08:50 <b_jonas> hello
16:09:18 <arseniiv> double precision is both better and worse than I thought
16:10:41 <myname> in comparisson to single precision?
16:11:16 <arseniiv> hmm I hadn’t tried to calculate that thing in it but it should be definitely bad
16:11:43 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Hakerh400 * uploaded "[[File:Yume - solved puzzle.png]]": Yume - an example of a solved puzzle.
16:14:29 <b_jonas> no, compared to what he tought
16:17:23 <arseniiv> I try to find a way to make points’ coordinates more accurate when new tiles glue to the old ones but I don’t see anything worthy. In the big hexagon case above, there would be only one interesting gluing at the very end, and even in this case I’m not sure I understand how to proceed. We could re-glue the last hexagon to the first, which definitely would be better, but then should we to continue with the same for another hexagons,
16:17:23 <arseniiv> when do we stop?.. and do we just replace old points with new ones or make some arithmetic with both to equalize something? I’ve no idea
16:18:43 <arseniiv> when more than two tiles neighbor each other, the matter is even foggier
16:19:57 <esowiki> [[User:Hakerh400/Yume]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75399 * Hakerh400 * (+1326) game
16:20:09 <esowiki> [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75400&oldid=74629 * Hakerh400 * (+31) /* Games */
16:20:59 <arseniiv> though 1e-8 is a pretty good accuracy and maybe no one wishes to generate tiling chunks of more than a thousand tiles
16:27:33 <arseniiv> also this is a pretty extreme error margin, as mostly people are interested in chunks without holes in them, either growing them by subdivision or carefully adding tiles at the border
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16:28:30 <arseniiv> this example shows that holes do matter, though, howewer little it may be for 10k tiles as circumference
16:28:44 <arseniiv> 60k*
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16:44:21 <esowiki> [[Gummy Bear]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75404&oldid=71416 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+36) unpipe + link + catts
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19:01:03 <shachaf> `olist 1206
19:01:05 <HackEso> olist 1206: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
19:20:37 <esowiki> [[Code is eso]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75406&oldid=75358 * DmilkaSTD * (+18) true
19:22:02 <b_jonas> thanks
20:17:55 <kspalaiologos> b_jonas, how can I split noun definition across lines
20:18:09 <kspalaiologos> like, I want to define for example `table =. 1 3 5'
20:18:13 <kspalaiologos> and I want to continue it on the next line
20:18:17 <kspalaiologos> `9 10 16'
20:18:18 <HackEso> 9? No such file or directory
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20:59:19 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: it might be better to ask that on #jsoftware
21:04:41 <esowiki> [[Turi]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75407&oldid=75405 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+68) bold++cats+
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21:34:46 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Caenbe * New user account
21:47:00 <esowiki> [[Rubic]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75409 * Digital Hunter * (+5479) Created a page on an esolang I made this afternoon
21:48:39 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75410&oldid=75390 * Digital Hunter * (+12) /* R */ Added a new language
21:49:13 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75411&oldid=75131 * Caenbe * (+204)
21:50:05 <esowiki> [[User:Digital Hunter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75412&oldid=74507 * Digital Hunter * (+68) /* About me */
21:55:49 <esowiki> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75413&oldid=73652 * Digital Hunter * (+128) /* Surtic */
21:57:41 <esowiki> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75414&oldid=75413 * Digital Hunter * (+170) /* Rubic */ Added hello world in Rubic
21:58:00 <esowiki> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75415&oldid=75414 * Digital Hunter * (+2) /* Rubic */ oops
22:01:14 <esowiki> [[Synced]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75416 * ZippyMagician * (+3728) Initial Version of esolang
22:02:40 <esowiki> [[Talk:Rubic]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75417 * Digital Hunter * (+159) Created page with "Feel free to leave questions here if anything is ambiguous. ~~~~"
22:03:06 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75418&oldid=74622 * ZippyMagician * (+185) Add more links and info
22:03:48 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75419&oldid=75410 * ZippyMagician * (+13) Add Synced
22:04:29 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75420&oldid=75419 * ZippyMagician * (+17) Add Transposed
22:22:57 <esowiki> [[Q 1.0]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75421 * Emerald * (+161) Q project
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23:31:08 <b_jonas> fungot, what is the largest number of spice girls there were at the same time?
23:31:09 <fungot> b_jonas: they are hiragana. so my solution always ends up with about 20 different fnord in your proof
23:39:18 <esowiki> [[Q 1.0]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75425&oldid=75423 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+72) Cats bike temps
23:39:32 <esowiki> [[Q 1.0]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75426&oldid=75425 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) Add typo
23:40:19 <esowiki> [[Synced]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75427&oldid=75416 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+4) /* Fibonacci Sequence */ link
23:41:18 <esowiki> [[Pxem]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75428&oldid=75424 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+30) /* References */ cat
23:43:41 <esowiki> [[Number Seventy-Four]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75429 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+219) Will add LaTeR
23:55:27 <esowiki> [[P]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75430&oldid=75282 * Salpynx * (+23) P'' is related to bf, each article references the other
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00:14:09 <esowiki> [[Affine Mess]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75431 * Caenbe * (+1147) Created the page
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01:43:46 <int-e> Meh, Heavpoot undid all changes to the !lyricly☭demote☭establish☭communism! page?
01:47:23 <esowiki> [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75432&oldid=75378 * Int-e * (+32) Undo revision 75378 by [[Special:Contributions/Heavpoot|Heavpoot]] ([[User talk:Heavpoot|talk]]) -- reinstate cosmetic edits and category updates. Please respect the community!
01:57:45 <esowiki> [[Synced]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75433&oldid=75427 * ZippyMagician * (-240) Update comp class
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03:21:48 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75439&oldid=75411 * Bangyen * (+196) /* Introductions */
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04:38:12 <esowiki> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75444&oldid=72054 * Bangyen * (+14) /* Mathematics */
04:47:42 <esowiki> [[User:Bangyen]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75445 * Bangyen * (+108) Created page with "'''Bangyen Pham''' is the creator of [[Factor]]. ==External Resources== [https://github.com/bangyen Github]"
04:48:53 <esowiki> [[Q 1.0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75446&oldid=75440 * Emerald * (+31)
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05:16:44 <shachaf> Now I get POLLIN revents on fd 0, and read still blocks. Exciting.
05:18:20 <Cale> ahhh... ahhh... ACHI/O
05:23:01 <zzo38> Use select() if you need to, I suppose
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05:28:41 <shachaf> zzo38: I'm using poll which does the same thing.
05:29:13 <shachaf> It's reporting that there's something to read on fd 0, but then read blocks.
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05:31:37 <zzo38> It might only work properly in noncanonical mode; I remember once doing something with that, and I think that is what I did to make it work.
05:34:33 <zzo38> I think there must be some way to do it, but unfortunately I don't know exactly what way it is.
05:34:49 <zzo38> (But if nothing else works, then I suppose you can use a pipe.)
05:45:56 <zzo38> Did you try noncanonical mode to see if that works?
05:47:33 <shachaf> I didn't.
05:47:54 <shachaf> Part of what's going on is that I'm running a child process and that process is being stopped.
05:48:09 <shachaf> So I'd have to detect that and switch modes back and forth, I suppose.
05:48:16 <shachaf> Maybe I'll just not worry about it.
05:49:53 <zzo38> Maybe the child process being stopped is what is doing something with it?
05:50:15 <zzo38> I don't really know exactly what you are doing, anyways
05:50:40 <shachaf> I'm not exactly sure what this program is but I suppose it's a sort of debugger.
06:00:36 <zzo38> The man page for epoll suggests that it should be possible with a terminal in canonical mode to read/write until EAGAIN.
06:01:00 <zzo38> Maybe there is a bug in the system? I don't know.
06:02:22 <shachaf> OK, maybe I just need to use canonical mode.
06:02:45 <shachaf> I didn't notice that bit.
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08:30:20 <esowiki> [[Techno]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75450 * Keymaker * (+2167) A sort of DIY OISC.
08:31:09 <esowiki> [[User:Keymaker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75451&oldid=70459 * Keymaker * (+69) Added Techno.
08:32:25 <esowiki> [[Emblia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75452&oldid=73332 * Keymaker * (+19) Category
08:46:14 <shachaf> zzo38: Oh, I think I see what was going on.
08:48:37 <b_jonas> unix terminal job control?
08:49:39 <shachaf> Something like that.
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08:49:48 <shachaf> I guess it's SIGTTIN.
09:14:59 <shachaf> I'm pretty confusilated by how all this works.
09:21:44 <shachaf> I do understand why it was behaving differently under strace, at least.
09:23:53 <esowiki> [[Factor]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75453&oldid=75449 * Bangyen * (+1)
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09:39:35 <int-e> meh, how does one finde the requisite data for the bonus challenge at http://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/challenges/July2020.html
09:42:51 <esowiki> [[Emblia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75454&oldid=75452 * Keymaker * (+1075) Translating into Natyre.
09:45:06 <esowiki> [[Natyre]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75455&oldid=53028 * Keymaker * (+19) OISC category.
09:57:19 <shachaf> int-e: They took a lot creative liberty with the Hebrew spellings, so probably you just make something up.
09:58:14 <int-e> shachaf: The bonus question asks for a real alphabet.
09:58:52 <int-e> For the challenge itself, yes, you can make the alphabet up completely.
09:59:46 <int-e> "real" includes conlangs and fictional languages, but presumably not ones that were invented this month ;)
09:59:54 <shachaf> Sure, but I mean that even with a "real" alphabet they chose spellings kind of arbitrarily.
10:00:34 <int-e> If they allowed that it would make the bonus question pointless.
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10:00:58 <int-e> You could just submit the "Hebrew" spelling that they used as an example.
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10:06:03 <shachaf> Oh, I see.
10:06:07 <shachaf> The example satisfies their constraint.
10:06:11 <shachaf> OK, never mind.
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10:48:47 <wib_jonas> "<shachaf> int-e: They took a lot creative liberty with the Hebrew spellings, so probably you just make something up." => it doesn't look like that to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet#Alphabet_2 indicates that they are all normal spellings, in particular pe is spelled out with either an alif or a he.
10:49:20 <shachaf> They put vowels in some of the letters and not others, seemingly arbitrarily.
10:49:33 <wib_jonas> shachaf: they put vowels for long vowels like hebrew usually does
10:50:11 <wib_jonas> admittedly letter names in many alphabets often have multiple spellings because people mostly use them in speech
10:50:41 <shachaf> What makes it be "LMD" and "TAV"?
10:51:28 <wib_jonas> shcahaf: oh, the TAV might be cheating, I didn't pay attention to that
10:51:31 <wib_jonas> then you're right, sorry
10:51:48 <wib_jonas> and so is the VAV
10:52:06 <wib_jonas> ok, you're absolutely right, that is cheating unless it's just a typo and the correct spellings give the right sequence
10:52:20 <wib_jonas> they do say "(Here some of the letters are spelled somewhat irregularly.)"
10:52:34 <shachaf> I think the point is that they're cheating.
10:53:20 <wib_jonas> different topic:
10:53:32 <wib_jonas> Ron Graham, mathematician and juggler, author of Concrete Mathematics, has passed away on 2020-07-06. Rest in peace.
10:54:08 <myname> "mathematician and juggler"
10:54:33 <fizzie> That's the book that looks like it's made out of concrete, right?
10:54:33 <wib_jonas> yes, those are the two things he was famous for
10:55:02 <wib_jonas> fizzie: no, you're thinking of doorstopper fantasy series
10:55:25 <wib_jonas> I would link the relevant article from TvTropes but I'd rather not during work time
10:55:26 <arseniiv> Graham :(
10:56:29 <arseniiv> wib_jonas: Conc. Math in some editions has a Σ etched in concrete at its cover :)
10:56:33 <fizzie> Concrete Mathematics and generatingfunctionology are two coursebooks I remember the covers of.
10:57:11 <wib_jonas> arseniiv: hmm. let me look up, I think I've only seen one old English edition
10:57:18 <wib_jonas> once, long ago
10:57:27 <wib_jonas> I've never seen a recent edition in original English
10:57:52 <fizzie> https://amazon.co.uk/Concrete-Mathematics-Foundation-Computer-Science/dp/0201558025/ has the cover I remember.
10:58:07 <wib_jonas> ok, it does look like a Sigma etched into some rough surface
10:58:43 <fizzie> On the other hand, generatingfunctionology I probably just remember because of the all-lowercase spelling of the funny name.
11:10:03 <int-e> https://www.omniglot.com/writing/alphabets.htm is the best source I have so far, and it's not consistent enough to be convenient.
11:11:54 <int-e> And many languages are useless. In german, the letters officially stand for themselves, so the game is the identity transformation.
11:11:56 <wib_jonas> int-e: again, that's because spelling out the names of letters is usually not standardized. I remember a discussion on whether the greek letter xi should be spelled "xí" or "kszí" in Hungarian.
11:12:07 <int-e> Oh sure.
11:12:26 <int-e> There are some notable exceptions like greek.
11:12:29 <wib_jonas> you should try one of the many telephone alphabets instead
11:12:46 <wib_jonas> there are a lot of those
11:13:16 <int-e> uh. why did I dismiss that idea...
11:13:30 <wib_jonas> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_alphabet lists a ton of radio/telephone alphabets just for English
11:16:44 <wib_jonas> there are also like three telephone alphabets for Hungarian, with mostly given names as the letter names, but lots of variants because some of the less common letters really don't have good given names to work with
11:16:51 <int-e> They're unlikely to work, but at least they're easy to find.
11:19:16 <wib_jonas> you can tell there are a lot of variants because I telephone-spell out my last name differently from my parents, despite that the spelling is the same
11:26:01 <Arcorann> The question states the alphabet can be invented, so the spellings don't have to be real
11:26:51 <Arcorann> Wait, I missed that you were talking about the bonus question
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11:47:39 <int-e> wib_jonas: "usually not standardized" may indeed be the problem
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11:49:04 <int-e> (found a candidate that I hate but expect to get away with)
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15:41:40 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Emerald * moved [[Q 1.0]] to [[Qu 1.0]]: Too similar to others
15:42:31 <arseniiv> wib_jonas: b_jonas: int-e: on "xí" and "kszí". Oh :D but surely there is a set of variants deemed far righter than other alternatives? Like in Russian you can call β “бета” (the most used in edited literature), with a lot of reluctance “бэта” (that would be more phonetic if the alphabet would always be used as a phonetic one), but “бэтта” would be a clear sign of incompetence. On the other hand, for λ one has literary “
15:42:31 <arseniiv> лямбда” and “ламбда” (the second would be marked for me, I’ve seen it far less; one example is a translation of Barendregt’s λ-calculus monograph) and maybe even “ламда” (all three have their own merit etymologically) and I don’t remember its name being written in a silly way compared to β. Also as may be expected many letters’ names leave no room for accidental misspellings, like π
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17:14:54 <Emerald> Has anyone been in the esolangs server also in the community portal page?
17:17:21 <Emerald> No one?
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17:23:39 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75496&oldid=75495 * ZippyMagician * (+192) Add examples
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18:24:08 <esowiki> [[BF-ASM:8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75505&oldid=75504 * DmilkaSTD * (+11) I said that really early
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19:24:34 <Camto[m]> Wow if that's not a page banner
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20:17:39 <zzo38> Now I added a command in TeXnicard to import pictures into the card database. Hopefully, someone who is able to help can help with making rendering templates for Magic: the Gathering and/or whatever other card games you might do; I think the software is enough to start doing such thing at least, even if it is not yet completed.
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20:28:23 <arseniiv> @ask rain1 do you know how could one take a square root of a cyclotomic x ∈ Q_n, finding the result in some Q_{kn}? Can’t find anything more than formulas for x ∈ Z
20:28:23 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
20:32:20 <b_jonas> arseniiv: yeah, I think "lamda" vs "lambda" even came up some time earlier on #esoteric
20:36:10 <arseniiv> `? password
20:36:13 <HackEso> The password of the month is still up for grabs.
20:39:18 <b_jonas> arseniiv: I don't know which one is more correct, because I don't know any definitive authority for this, plus authorities can differ. "kszí" is used a lot for xi, but I prefer "xí" because the first letter of the name is obviously the same as the name itself and that one is usually transcribed as "x". similarly I prefer "zéta" over "dzéta". this doesn't solve "lambda" vs "lamda", there I don't know
20:39:24 <b_jonas> enough details about the etymology to determine which one is better.
20:40:09 <b_jonas> the can also differ between whether you're talking about the letter as used in ancient greek, the letter as used in modern greek, or the letter as used for technical symbols such as in mathematical formulas or names of nearby stars
20:40:12 <myname> i always take it as lambda (maybe because of my native language, who knows) until i saw ramda.js which i always write wrong
20:41:30 <arseniiv> <b_jonas> the can also differ between whether you're talking about the letter as used in ancient greek, the letter as used in modern greek, or the letter as used for technical symbols such as in mathematical formulas or names of nearby stars => yeah
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22:32:17 <esowiki> [[Techno]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75529&oldid=75459 * Keymaker * (+97) Link alternative proof.
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02:54:46 <adu> Where do I find a cuneiform expert online at this hour?
02:55:17 <zzo38> I don't know? But I suppose you could try writing and see if anyone responds later.
02:55:22 <adu> "𒉏𒁹𒄑𒁁 𒂷𒁹𒌑 𒍴𒐕𒍦 𒀭𒉡 𒄢𒍵 𒉣𒁺𒌋 𒐕𒆐𒈨 𒎗𒍝𒌋 𒄿𒅕𒑙 𒄥"
02:55:41 <int-e> `unidecode 𒉏𒁹𒄑𒁁
02:55:43 <HackEso> ​[U+1224F CUNEIFORM SIGN NIM] [U+12079 CUNEIFORM SIGN DISH] [U+12111 CUNEIFORM SIGN GISH] [U+12041 CUNEIFORM SIGN BAD]
02:56:04 <int-e> . o O ( BAD SIGN )
02:56:12 <adu> I know how it sounds, it took me a week to transcribe it
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03:21:04 <int-e> adu: I don't actually see the symbols in my terminal. (But I also have no clue what they are.)
03:22:09 <adu> how to paste image on irc...?
03:22:45 <adu> https://www.studenthandouts.com/00/200002/babylonian-cuneiform-capstone.jpg
03:24:28 <adu> So this is probably the stupidest translation job, because it's allegedly already translated
03:27:14 <Arcorann> I remember reading something about that, seem to remember it being not that old
03:27:31 <adu> Yes, it's from 1980
03:27:48 <adu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
03:28:50 <zzo38> Probably best is a URL to link (like you have), although I have also seen magnet: URLs (which, if they don't specify how to download them, aren't very useful unless you already have it), and data: URIs (which are too long).
03:28:55 <int-e> I forgot my russian numbers. 100, 1000, 1000000, all gone.
03:30:45 <Arcorann> But where does the cuneiform come from in that case?
03:31:01 <Arcorann> wait, I see it in the image
03:32:10 <int-e> That's an odd one.
03:33:38 <int-e> *checks* almost 4.5 billion people at the time
03:33:51 <int-e> so wtf is that 500M number?
03:34:02 <adu> Probably the work of the devil
03:35:26 <adu> so the "10 evil commandments" are written in 8 living languages, which have probably been read by someone in their native language
03:35:50 <adu> there's a shorter phrase written on the top in 4 dead languages, which is what I'm interested in
03:36:24 <adu> like does it really say the phrase as the English that is offered up? or does it have some evil nuance?
03:38:22 <int-e> https://worldeventsandthebible.com/documentary/mystery-of-georgia-guidestones seems to suggest "Let These Be Guidestones To Reason"
03:39:09 <int-e> (I quackquackwent "Georgia Guidestones" "babylonian")
03:39:19 <Arcorann> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones#Explanatory_tablet <-- also stated here
03:40:18 <int-e> Arcorann: Ah. Reading is hard :)
03:41:30 <int-e> (And skimming is harder... "Around the edges of the square are written translations to" is too convoluted for me to be parsed instantly.)
03:41:56 <adu> https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=el&tl=en&text=%CE%91%CF%85%CF%84%CE%AD%CF%82%20%CE%BF%CE%AF%20%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B8%CE%BF%CE%B9%20%CF%84%CE%B7%CE%BD%20%CE%BF%CE%B4%CF%8C%CE%BD%0A%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%BD%CF%85%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%89%CE%BD%20%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%B9%20%CF%83%CF%89%CF%86%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%83%CF%85%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%82
03:41:58 <zzo38> They are ten different things, I think. The third one isn't so good; people can speak whatever language they like to do.
03:41:59 <int-e> I find the "to" very subtle :)
03:42:27 <int-e> Arcorann: thanks!
03:43:01 <adu> So the ancient greek is supposed to be "Ancient" but if you put it in a modern greek translater, you get that
03:43:10 <adu> "These stones the way, Indicators of eternal wisdom"
03:43:24 <int-e> Maintaining 500M population sounds great, but there's no peaceful way to get there.
03:43:43 <int-e> adu: That does sounds like a plausible translation.
03:43:58 <int-e> indicator <--> guide...
03:44:02 <int-e> close enough.
03:44:17 <zzo38> int-e: Well, don't have human children and then they will hopefully be reduced a bit.
03:44:57 <int-e> zzo38: Sounds good until you realize it has to be a world-wide effort to have a meaningful effect.
03:45:21 <int-e> For example, China kind of tried, and are now abandoning the attempt.
03:48:05 <int-e> Oh well, let me go for a walk before it gets warm outside. (Oh, I might actually need more than just a t-shirt. Nice.)
03:48:08 <int-e> @metar lowi
03:48:08 <lambdabot> LOWI 080320Z AUTO VRB01KT 9999 NCD 10/08 Q1020
03:58:00 <Arcorann> Further down it's suggested that the stones were intended for people rebuilding after the collapse of civliisation, implying that the human population would be already under 500 million
04:00:03 <zzo38> The tenth item is good, I think. But regardless of what is your opinions of any of this stuff, I think to have free speech to write what they like to write. Different people have different opinions of it, which is good.
04:01:24 <zzo38> (Except, they repeat themself)
04:02:57 <zzo38> Arcorann: Yes, that is a possibility, too. The lack of dates for the time capsule suggests they may have intended to put it later due to such thing, maybe, or maybe that is unrelated
04:04:07 <zzo38> But, I don't see the ancient languages writing on Wikipedia, just it mentions what languages it is.
04:05:57 <adu> zzo38: ikr
04:06:05 <adu> it's like a puzzle
04:06:40 <zzo38> Yes, I suppose so.
04:06:53 <adu> I haven't started on the Egyptian Hyroglyphics
04:07:20 <adu> well, I think I got the first part, "𓋴𓌫𓅓𓂻 𓇒𓐒"
04:08:25 <adu> but most of the hyroglyphics translators are of the transliteration variety
04:40:23 <adu> "ऽरमानॊदिरााम दिरातॖयॖगायमत"
04:52:45 <esowiki> [[Talk:Factor]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75549 * Salpynx * (+1829) zero-dimensional polyglots
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06:16:55 <esowiki> [[Brainfoctal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75553&oldid=75552 * Salpynx * (+284) /* Polyglots */ Clearly I have been waiting two years to write a Gdel polyglot...
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10:52:56 <cpressey> @tell arseniiv Maybe instead of implementing Generalized Minksy Machine in Tandem, there could just be Generalized Tandem? Associate each of the individual rewrite rules with a constructor like GMM associates each MM instruction with a constructor?
10:52:56 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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11:07:15 <arseniiv> fungot what’s your take on the generalized zeta functions?
11:07:16 <fungot> arseniiv: have you ever seen this strange list-of-strings behavior in their emacs? that makes no sense
11:19:01 <shachaf> int-e: Do you know if IntSat (the CDCL ILP algorithm) is good in practice?
11:19:05 <shachaf> I don't know much about ILP.
11:20:13 <int-e> no clue
11:21:55 <shachaf> I assumed you were related due to having the same first name.
11:22:30 <int-e> har dee har
11:22:59 <int-e> Do you like munching on grass? Because of Schaf, you may remember...
11:30:33 <shachaf> Hmm.
11:30:46 <shachaf> That word does highlight my IRC client.
11:30:49 <shachaf> So I must.
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11:44:35 <arseniiv> hee
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14:00:18 <kspalaiologos> I managed to write a 15-byte truth machine for UM8
14:00:22 <kspalaiologos> `562264926212D2A'
14:00:25 <HackEso> 562264926212D2A'? No such file or directory
14:01:14 <kspalaiologos> 5 IN C / 6 SWP A,C / 2 SWP A,B / 2 SWP A,B / 6 SWP A, C / 4 OUT C / 92 MOV A,2 / 6 SWP A,C / 2 SWP A,B / 1 A=B IF C / 2 SWP A, B / D SHL A, 1 / 2 SWP A, B / A MOV [IP=C], B
14:01:24 <kspalaiologos> best viewed with s/\//\n/g;
14:01:48 <kspalaiologos> honestly I can't see much room for improvement here
14:04:25 <esowiki> [[90]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75560&oldid=60948 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+18) /* Analysis */ cat
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14:08:09 <wib_jonas> 15 byte? aren't programs made of multiples of 4 byte instructions?
14:10:06 <wib_jonas> oh wait, UM8. I thought of UM-32 from the tom7 ICFP
14:12:46 <tromp> some programs are made of single bits
14:17:10 <wib_jonas> adu: I assume you already tried to search for translations on the web
14:19:06 <wib_jonas> adu: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones#Description gives a supposed translation. I don't speak akkadian, ancient greek, sanskrit, ancient egyptian, so I can't tell for sure if it's accurate.
14:20:03 <wib_jonas> so does the bottom of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones#Inschriften , which gives an English translation too
14:20:32 <wib_jonas> I assume that's not a backtranslation, but the original claimed by the creators of the monument that they were trying to translate to those languages.
14:21:03 <wib_jonas> so there are probably actually inaccurate translations, as these monuments usually go
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18:24:43 <zzo38> Now I read about Quasijarus compression format, which has the same .Z extension as UNIX compression, but the format is like gzip except the different header, which doesn't include the filename and timestamp.
18:26:11 <zzo38> (That is apparently now the compression format used in BSD.)
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18:35:51 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75573&oldid=74584 * Digital Hunter * (+109) /* Example programs */ added a quine program
18:36:16 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75574&oldid=75573 * Digital Hunter * (+17) /* Quine */
18:42:52 <zzo38> (Or at least, some versions of BSD.)
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18:48:52 <b_jonas> zzo38: how does such a format even get created? isn't gzip as old as zlib?
18:49:05 <b_jonas> and the filename is optional in the gzip format
18:49:45 <b_jonas> I know people also use zlib without the header, but that's mostly for network formats
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18:54:25 <zzo38> I think this format is supported only on VAX versions of BSD (although it could easily be implemented on other systems too), and they did that because they didn't want GNU software in their system nor the extra stuff in the gzip header, but also didn't like LZW and wanted a better compression algorithm.
19:00:10 <b_jonas> I see
19:04:11 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75577&oldid=75527 * ZippyMagician * (+13) Update
19:04:24 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75578&oldid=75577 * ZippyMagician * (+1) Same as last change
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19:13:31 <lucky> zzo38: Quasijarus is a VAX version of 4.3 BSD from the 80s, and yes it's to switch to gzip algorithm while keeping the whole current system otherwise unchanged
19:13:49 <lucky> is a modern branch of*
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21:58:48 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75592&oldid=75586 * ZippyMagician * (+9) Fix spacing
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23:53:29 <b_jonas> ICFP contest homepage updated btw
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00:46:53 <esowiki> [[Gregor's Answer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75605&oldid=38180 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+50) Wip and cats
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03:47:58 <zzo38> The documentation for Mednafen says that physical CD support was removed in version 0.9.38. Is there a FUSE or something to work around this with programs that do not support physical CDs (not only Mednafen)?
03:52:18 <zzo38> (Such a program is also useful for copying the CD images; you can just copy the files into a real file system, or if you have multiple drives, to copy the CD directly to another one, in case the CD recording program you have does not allow direct copying of CDs.)
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05:55:57 <bangyen> I just learned that all changes are announced here, so I apologize for the wiki spam haha.
05:56:29 <zzo38> They are, although some people (such as myself) suppress their display here.
05:56:36 <int-e> bangyen: it's okay, people have the option to ignore esowiki if they don't want to see the updates
05:56:56 <int-e> (I semi-ignore them... they're there but they don't show up as activity)
05:57:18 <bangyen> Ah ok, that's good. Do people usually just leave IRC open 24/7?
05:57:46 <zzo38> Some do.
05:58:08 <int-e> it's not a requirement ;-)
05:58:36 <zzo38> Yes, there are logs anyways, in case you are not connected
05:58:42 <int-e> there are also logs that (apparently) some people follow when they're not here.
05:59:14 <int-e> and in either case they're there if you want to catch up on an ongoing discussion.
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11:58:54 <arseniiv> do you like 34°C at 34% humidity?
11:59:54 <myname> no
12:01:54 <arseniiv> I’m not comfortable either, though that’s the weather out there and where I sit now it should be a couple degrees lower though maybe more humid instead which would be worse
12:05:46 <arseniiv> in one room a clock says 27° and 80%, wow
12:06:30 <arseniiv> high humidity may well be the end of humanity
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12:10:50 <arseniiv> hm I accidentally formulated the first law of myself, which states: you only want to cool by watering something else from yourself when that thing evaporates more efficiently than you plus it can actually cool you in some manner
12:11:17 <esowiki> [[Dig]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75631&oldid=75630 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+61) update tmplt
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12:40:46 <arseniiv> I’ve a bunch of ideas for a page on deriving trigonometry (and hyperbolic trigonometry too would be nice) with illustrations/animations, maybe even interactive ones, but I don’t know any frameworks for that sort of things, especially non-JS ones, and don’t want it to be necessary for clients to have a java browser plugin installed for Geogebra examples. So maybe first I should try plain animations, but then it would be nice if I’d
12:40:46 <arseniiv> be able to generate all of them uniformly, either via the same application or via the same scripting thing tool. Do you know something like that? It should be able to export in a format browsers understand, and it should allow easily drawing at least circle and hyperbola arcs, and maybe sinusoids too
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12:48:36 <rain1> geogebra?
12:48:42 <rain1> nnvm
12:51:10 <rain1> good question about sqrts of cyclotomics...
12:51:11 <rain1> not sure
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13:09:02 <arseniiv> rain1: yeah all in all geogebra is a good thing for interactive visualizations, there’s so many little options, but unfortunately it requires java and I don’t think many people have it these days
13:11:40 <arseniiv> rain1: about cyclotomic sqrt: I’d try to find something by squaring an unknown polynomial over ζ_{kn} and equating it to the given polynomial over ζ_n, but I’m afraid that would still be a hard problem
13:12:37 <arseniiv> hm isn’t DFT nicely related to multiplication of polynomials over ζ_n?..
13:13:19 <arseniiv> (hm should I have written “over Q_{kn}, over Q_n” instead)
13:13:34 <arseniiv> (oh, no)
13:16:51 <rain1> i think geogrebra works without java nown
13:18:09 <arseniiv> oh, I should look at the news then, thanks! I used v4 for a long time as I wasn’t very glad about the state of v5 right then, but maybe now it looks better
13:23:13 <arseniiv> suppose we defined a DFT operator F: Q_n → Q^n so that for x1, x2 ∈ Q_n, F(x1 x2) = F(x1) F(x2) where the latter multiplication is componentwise. Then we should be able to find out if x ∈ Q_n has a square root in Q_n: each component of F(x) should be a perfect square. Now if that’s correct, the problem is to find what’s going on with images under F of an embedding Q_n ⊂ Q_{kn}
13:23:53 <rain1> woah that is a cool idea
13:29:06 <arseniiv> I’m only uncertain that I haven’t seen this approach mentioned anywhere yet, though I haven’t read much too
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13:34:54 <arseniiv> ah, and one of the problems even without Q_{kn} is that the dimension of Q_k over Q is usually less than k so there are many equivalent Q^n representations we’ll need to check. Maybe that’s why it may end up being of no use
13:35:08 <arseniiv> s/Q_k/S_n
13:37:56 <rain1> what would galois theory tell us. Q_kn / Q is (Z_kn/Z)^* and Q_n / Q is (Z/nZ)^*
13:38:20 <rain1> are we looking for Q_kn / Q_n of degree 2?
13:38:35 <rain1> i'm not sure exactly because maybe the extension field will change based on x
13:38:37 <arseniiv> it should be that, yeah
13:38:57 <arseniiv> hmm why would it?
13:39:06 <rain1> well for example Z is in Q_n
13:39:17 <rain1> and square roots of different elements of Z ends up with different Q_p
13:39:24 <rain1> not p sorry
13:39:50 <arseniiv> ah, yes, then we’ll need different k for different elements
13:41:18 <arseniiv> when there are only finitely many sqrts, we’ll end up in some Q_m with large m, but a different one each time despite starting with Q each time
13:44:05 <esowiki> [[User talk:Emerald]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75639&oldid=75590 * DmilkaSTD * (+62)
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13:55:25 <arseniiv> yeah, my squareness-in-Q_n method is hard. Take for example 4 ∈ Q_2. If we represent it as 4 + 0 ζ₂ or 2 + (−2) ζ₂, under F we have (4, 4) and (0, 4) which tell us 4 is indeed a square in Q_2, but if we represent 4 = 3 + (−1) ζ₂, under F we have (2, 4) which has an entry 2 not a square. So we need to make sure to find the right representation or this criterion is useless
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13:59:48 <arseniiv> I wonder if the “balanced” representation, where coefficients of ζ_n, (ζ_n)*, −ζ_n and −(ζ_n)* are the same up to sign, is the one. Coincidently, 4 = 2 + (−2) ζ₂ is such a representation
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14:01:41 <arseniiv> hm but in this definition this representation is not unique (0 = x + x ζ₂ for any x ∈ Q)
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14:02:15 <arseniiv> where coefficients of ζ_n, (ζ_n)*, −ζ_n and −(ζ_n)* are the same up to sign => s/ζ_n/ζ_n^k for all integer k
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14:05:25 <arseniiv> maybe we need [ζ_n^k] x = − [−ζ_n^k] x and [ζ_n^k] x = [ζ_n^{−k}] x precisely (and x should be real, and if we are not in Q_{2n}, then the first condition is inapplicable)
14:06:52 <arseniiv> *then*, for this representation, we at least have the squareness criterion right for Q₂
14:07:20 <arseniiv> I’m not sure it will be so in Q₄
14:10:27 <arseniiv> in Q₄ the representation is again not unique :( we should restrict the freedom of coefficients of ±i. Hm maybe we should just postulate that [ζ_{4n}^n] x = [ζ_{4n}^{−n}] x = 0
14:11:03 <arseniiv> hopefully one doesn’t need to add more restrictions when n divides 8 etc.
14:11:18 <arseniiv> I’m out
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14:22:07 <RiriSec> fungot, tell me something
14:22:08 <fungot> RiriSec: programs don't require computers.... aka scheme evangelist... long live scheme! it adds for you!
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14:22:39 <int-e> fungot: stop being coherent
14:22:39 <fungot> int-e: tre pasted " insertion-sort" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ 5606, or 6000 network. the pos was supposedly locked down, after all... as you do in c
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14:22:46 <RiriSec> kspalaiologos: hewwo
14:22:55 <kspalaiologos> hi
14:23:10 <RiriSec> it's not like we're talking... all the time XD
14:23:25 <kspalaiologos> :p not at all
14:23:34 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * PythonshellDebugwindow * moved [[No]] to [[No.]]: fix title
14:23:49 <kspalaiologos> fungot, tell me something about asm2bf
14:23:49 <fungot> kspalaiologos: you ' mericans... don't know that
14:24:03 <kspalaiologos> troubling! one day he mentioned asm2bf I recall it
14:24:14 <RiriSec> you know, 6700 messages in +/- 5 days
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14:24:32 <RiriSec> fungot, did you know elephans are just dolphins with legs?
14:24:32 <kspalaiologos> <fungot> kspalaiologos: take define-syntax, make your bfasm be a backend. i'm sure they've got plans for it. :p
14:24:32 <fungot> RiriSec: quuux, fnord... ( but then my code isn't particularly memory-hungry anyway :) this'll be fun... like a rotating screen :p " package" is a string, after all
14:24:32 <fungot> kspalaiologos: find the best result
14:24:56 <kspalaiologos> it's quite fun how he's using fnords in places of stuff he doesn't know what to put in
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14:26:26 <RiriSec> fungot, tell me something about asm2bf
14:26:26 <fungot> RiriSec: hi luxy!
14:26:35 <RiriSec> a
14:26:39 <RiriSec> oh well
14:29:05 <arseniiv> ^help
14:29:05 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
14:29:16 <arseniiv> ^style
14:29:16 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
14:29:27 <arseniiv> ^bool
14:29:27 <fungot> No.
14:30:42 <arseniiv> I knew it
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