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2012-05-01
00:01:03 <elliott> Why is this worm encased in lava?
00:01:07 <elliott> Mysteries of the universe.
00:04:34 <kmc> that's a good juxtaposition
00:04:37 <kmc> coqhack
00:06:17 <elliott> Oops, I'm (almost) dead.
00:06:20 <elliott> kmc: Coqrawl, actually.
00:07:58 <elliott> monqy: Guess who keeps dying. :(
00:08:16 <monqy> is it you
00:08:21 <elliott> *sigh*
00:08:25 <elliott> That monqy. Always with the science.
00:08:26 <monqy> i;l watch
00:08:34 <elliott> You must be bored.
00:09:37 <elliott> uhhhhh
00:09:56 <elliott> I wonder what's going on here.
00:09:58 <monqy> that vault?
00:09:59 <shachaf> honqy
00:10:08 <elliott> monqy: yeah
00:18:12 <elliott> hmm
00:18:14 <elliott> I should put armour on
00:18:21 <elliott> since i'm wearing chain mail
00:20:50 <elliott> that runed staff is
00:20:51 <elliott> ...
00:20:52 <elliott> monqy it's
00:20:56 <elliott> <bold>gnarly</bold>
00:22:07 <elliott> monqy: oh ziggurats are really scary right
00:22:29 <monqy> uhh
00:22:30 <monqy> "yeah"
00:22:36 <elliott> what does the quote mean
00:22:51 <monqy> the first few floors aren't that bad but if you're paying the entry fee you're aiming a bit deeper than that
00:22:53 <elliott> oh there's an entry fee? never mind then
00:23:10 <shachaf> how mchu is the tenryf ee/
00:23:16 <shachaf> HOW MUCH IS THE ENTRY FEE
00:23:18 <monqy> it varies
00:23:57 <elliott> _Your potion of coagulated blood rots away.
00:23:58 <elliott> ew
00:24:41 <elliott> maybe i should put fightingon sometime
00:24:45 <elliott> eh i'll do it with uc reaches 10
00:29:25 <elliott> monqy: btw how much more effective is minor destruction compared to a dart
00:30:51 <elliott> urgh orc warriors always hit harder than i expect them to
00:31:42 <elliott> euhh
00:31:47 <elliott> i wish i had more scrolls of id earlier
00:33:00 <monqy> i prrefer minor destruction over darts
00:33:13 <monqy> oh hey looks like you're in a jam
00:33:19 <elliott> im covered in jam
00:33:33 <elliott> i can probably get away w/ scroll of tele and stairs if i can solve the immediate problem of having no hp
00:33:46 <elliott> the plans i can think of are
00:33:49 <monqy> good luck not dying next turn
00:33:51 <elliott> (a) quaff a random potion
00:34:03 <elliott> (b) quaff a potion of might and hope i can wack the remaining health out of the orc warrior before they attack me
00:34:16 <elliott> (c) read the unid'd scroll (but i think i already know blink)
00:34:16 <monqy> the 5stack is probably curing if you havent ided it already, but good luck outhealing the orc warrior
00:34:23 <elliott> how can i tell what scrolls i know
00:34:25 <monqy> you can check \ to see
00:34:33 <elliott> yeah i know blinking
00:34:39 <elliott> ok so i can either quaff might or curing
00:34:51 <elliott> well, at least i'd have died either way
00:35:39 <elliott> time to get into another jam over the course of a few thousand turns
00:37:00 <elliott> also wow the ghoul hunger system is so much less annoying than the regular one
00:38:48 <elliott> wow jessica is
00:38:50 <elliott> weak
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00:39:46 <elliott> monqy: is levitation useful for getting away from things
00:40:16 <monqy> if you want to get away from them by hovering ovver water or lava
00:40:23 <monqy> otherwise, no
00:41:23 <elliott> hmmm
00:41:32 <monqy> who's that, sigmund?
00:41:35 <elliott> yeah
00:41:45 <elliott> i can either whack him (my unarmed combat skill is pretty good), or quaff a random potion
00:41:50 <elliott> or back up (if i do that i will probably die)
00:41:56 <elliott> also he's ^ from me
00:42:00 <monqy> yeah he has reaching so
00:42:33 <elliott> wow that actually worked
00:42:35 <elliott> uhhhh
00:42:43 <elliott> did i just gain hp there
00:42:43 <monqy> fsvo actually, worked
00:42:50 <monqy> or am i behind
00:43:03 <monqy> afaict you missed sigmund and lost hp
00:43:15 <elliott> oh i thought i gained hp
00:43:21 <elliott> i lost hp there
00:43:28 <shachaf> monqy: hi
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00:43:34 <elliott> wow he had a scythe of dragon slaying
00:43:36 <elliott> that's heavy duty!!!
00:43:38 <monqy> shachaf: hello?
00:43:40 <elliott> slays dragons and stuff
00:43:40 <shachaf> BYE ELLISONCH
00:43:43 <monqy> elliott: scythes are bad
00:43:49 <elliott> monqy: not if they slay dragons!!!
00:43:50 <shachaf> Finally I can tabcomplete uninterrupted
00:44:04 <monqy> 17:43:28 < shachaf> monqy: hi
00:44:06 <shachaf> elliott: You're the only person with a nick starting with 'e' in here.
00:44:08 <monqy> shachaf: did you have something to say
00:44:13 <monqy> where's egobot
00:44:14 <shachaf> monqy: yes
00:44:23 <shachaf> monqy: i had to say "hi"
00:44:25 <monqy> oh
00:44:27 <shachaf> did i say it yet/
00:44:33 <monqy> no
00:44:54 <shachaf> oopse
00:44:58 <shachaf> monqy: hi
00:45:05 <shachaf> "hi"
00:45:35 <elliott> oops
00:46:26 <shachaf> elliott: did youe die
00:46:28 <elliott> no
00:46:30 <elliott> i got teleportitis
00:46:33 <shachaf> "rip elliott"
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00:46:46 <shachaf> soon ripe. soon rotten. soon gone. but not forgotten.
00:46:50 <monqy> shachafe you kiled him
00:46:57 <shachaf> monqy: oh no
00:47:03 <monqy> killed him with your
00:47:03 <shachaf> "rip elliott" II
00:47:03 <monqy> words
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00:54:46 <shachaf> monqy: hlepe elliott put me on /ignore
00:54:54 <shachaf> sorry elliott :'(
00:55:53 <monqy> :(
00:57:45 <kmc> shachaf: hecked
00:58:08 <shachaf> Headlines for tomorrow's newspaper.
00:58:11 <shachaf> SHACHAF: HECKED
00:58:19 <shachaf> your aim cud be next
01:00:03 <kmc> Your Aim could Be next
01:00:20 <shachaf> I don't like elliott's Even very much.
01:00:25 <shachaf> Does that make me wrong?
01:01:18 <shachaf> Oh, wait.
01:01:20 <shachaf> Maybe I'm wrong.
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02:53:36 <elliott> @time monqy
02:53:38 <lambdabot> Local time for monqy is Mon Apr 30 19:53:37 2012
02:53:52 <elliott> ah, the monkey's hour of hibernation
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02:54:53 <quintopia> how do i set up my time zone with lb?
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03:09:17 <shubshub> Hey
03:09:26 <shubshub> ^whois
03:09:26 <fungot> You is.
03:09:29 <shubshub> lol
03:09:39 <shubshub> ^who
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03:10:09 <shubshub> !bf_txtgen hi
03:10:26 <shubshub> @bots
03:10:26 <lambdabot> :)
03:10:32 <shubshub> ^bot
03:10:38 <shubshub> ^bots
03:10:42 <PiRSquared17> fungot: hi
03:10:43 <fungot> PiRSquared17: eos end of stack ( xd). a common fnord medication to remove the fnord...
03:10:45 <shubshub> ^list
03:10:54 <shubshub> ^help
03:10:54 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
03:11:07 <shubshub> `bots
03:11:10 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bots: not found
03:11:14 <shubshub> `help
03:11:16 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
03:11:53 <shubshub> `run set hi=me & echo %hi&
03:11:55 <HackEgo> ​%hi
03:12:13 <shubshub> `run set hi=me & echo %hi%
03:12:16 <HackEgo> ​%hi%
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03:12:34 <shubshub> `run echo $hi
03:12:37 <HackEgo> No output.
03:12:53 <shubshub> `run set hi=me echo $hi
03:12:55 <HackEgo> No output.
03:13:18 <shubshub> `run set hi=me & echo $hi
03:13:21 <HackEgo> No output.
03:13:36 <shubshub> `run print "hi"
03:13:40 <HackEgo> Warning: unknown mime-type for "hi" -- using "application/octet-stream" \ Error: no such file "hi"
03:13:55 <shubshub> `run ruby
03:13:58 <HackEgo> bash: ruby: command not found
03:14:19 <shubshub> `run echo $name
03:14:21 <HackEgo> No output.
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03:14:50 <elliott> again, stop fucking with the bots like that or you'll get on their ignore list.
03:15:02 <elliott> HackEgo and fungot both respond to private messages
03:15:02 <fungot> elliott: i find postfix-colon keywords significantly harder to read.... and the stack overflow.
03:15:21 <elliott> quintopia: you don't have to
03:15:22 <elliott> @time quintopia
03:15:24 <lambdabot> Local time for quintopia is Mon Apr 30 23:15:23 2012
03:15:54 <quintopia> ehow does it knoooooow
03:16:40 <elliott> stalking
03:16:53 <quintopia> is my time zone hardcoded in there?
03:17:04 <elliott> yes it's part of the lambdabot source code
03:17:06 <PiRSquared17> quintopia: CTCP time requests probably
03:17:12 <elliott> no
03:17:13 <elliott> hardcoded
03:17:16 <elliott> into lambdabot's source code
03:17:17 <PiRSquared17> omg
03:17:28 <quintopia> oh
03:17:31 <quintopia> i did get one of those
03:17:32 <PiRSquared17> that's creepy
03:17:32 <quintopia> lol
03:17:38 <elliott> yeah it does that but
03:17:39 <elliott> it ignores the result
03:17:43 <elliott> and just uses the hardcoded timezone instead
03:24:35 <PiRSquared17> ^ lies
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03:26:34 <PiRSquared17> @time test1_2_3
03:26:35 <lambdabot> Local time for test1_2_3 is I just set some random TIME result
03:27:37 <elliott> no, it predicted you were going to do that
03:27:42 <elliott> it's too smart for you
03:27:46 <elliott> can't fool lambdabot
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03:48:44 <kmc> sigh, a 200 line C library is not "trivial"
03:48:52 <kmc> it might be simple or straightforward
03:51:16 <pikhq_> Well, it could actually be trivial.
03:51:26 <pikhq_> Though that's unlikely.
03:51:44 * pikhq_ imagines a 180 line switch statement that does not-much
03:51:44 <kmc> maybe if it's all obviously dead code
03:51:55 <kmc> (i mean 200 source lines, not incl comments and whitespace)
03:51:55 <elliott> "trivial" just means "easy" now
03:52:05 <kmc> elliott: or "possible"
03:52:06 <elliott> evidence: people say "extremely trivial"
03:52:10 <kmc> but i rage against this usage
03:52:11 <pikhq_> Like, effectively a lookup table.
03:52:11 <kmc> i rage so hard
03:52:14 <elliott> shrug
03:52:15 <elliott> it's too late
03:52:24 <pikhq_> I'd say even a 200 line lookup table is probably actually trivial.
03:52:28 <elliott> i rage against "raging so hard" against something :p
03:52:33 <kmc> pikhq_: I'm not sure I would even call that trivial
03:52:33 <elliott> *rage so hard
03:52:45 <kmc> to me "trivial" means not only simple and straightforward, but so simple there is almost nothing to say about it
03:53:05 <kmc> the 200 line lookup table / switch statement is probably not devoid of implementation details
03:53:17 <kmc> anyway there's no absolute cutoff
03:54:43 <kmc> but I'm extremely skeptical of a claim that any 200 lines of C is trivial
03:56:26 <kmc> the particular code I'm talking about is signal-aware multiplatform event-based UNIX IO code
03:56:44 <pikhq_> I... That seems quite nontrivial.
03:56:50 <pikhq_> I'd have to think about it!
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05:13:45 <shubshub> ^help
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05:13:45 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
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05:43:47 <shubshub> I need help
05:59:57 <Madoka-Kaname> Brainfuck and underload. Nice, ne
06:01:16 <Madoka-Kaname> ^ul ((LOOK AROUND YOU )S:^):^
06:01:16 <fungot> LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK ...too much output!
06:02:03 <pikhq_> Good series.
06:02:16 <shubshub> I need help
06:02:25 <Madoka-Kaname> ^ul (*)(~(*)*:S~(:)S:^):^
06:02:25 <fungot> **:***:****:*****:******:*******:********:*********:**********:***********:************:*************:**************:***************:****************:*****************:******************:*******************:********************:*********************:**********************:***********************:************************:** ...too much output!
06:02:32 <Madoka-Kaname> ^ul (*):S(~(*)*:S~(:)S:^):^
06:02:32 <shubshub> what variable does egobot use when doing userinterps
06:02:32 <fungot> ***:***:****:*****:******:*******:********:*********:**********:***********:************:*************:**************:***************:****************:*****************:******************:*******************:********************:*********************:**********************:***********************:************************:* ...too much output!
06:02:39 <Madoka-Kaname> Umm?
06:02:40 <Madoka-Kaname> Oh
06:02:50 <shubshub> ?
06:03:02 <Madoka-Kaname> ^ul (*)(~:(:)*S(*)*~:^):^
06:03:02 <fungot> *:**:***:****:*****:******:*******:********:*********:**********:***********:************:*************:**************:***************:****************:*****************:******************:*******************:********************:*********************:**********************:***********************:************************: ...too much output!
06:03:41 <shubshub> well
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06:13:28 <Sgeo> Wormsong 2011 sucks
06:13:28 <Madoka-Kaname> ^ul (~:(:)*S(*)*~:^)::^
06:13:28 <fungot> ~:(:)*S(*)*~:^:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^*:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^**:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^***:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^****:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^*****:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^******:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^*******:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^********:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^*********:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^**********:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^***********:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^************:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^*************:~:(:)*S(*)*~:^********* ...too much output!
06:13:29 <Sgeo> :(
06:13:32 * Madoka-Kaname shot
06:14:47 <Sgeo> ^def blah
06:14:48 <fungot> Usage: ^def <command> <lang> <code>
06:15:03 <Sgeo> ^def inc bf ,[+.,]
06:15:04 <fungot> Defined.
06:15:07 <Sgeo> ^inc abc
06:15:07 <fungot> bcd
06:15:35 <shubshub> ^inc a
06:15:35 <fungot> b
06:16:04 <Madoka-Kaname> ^def test ul S
06:16:04 <fungot> Defined.
06:16:07 <Madoka-Kaname> ^test test
06:16:07 <fungot> ...out of stack!
06:16:14 <Madoka-Kaname> Does underload not have input?
06:16:24 <elliott> no
06:18:53 <Madoka-Kaname> elliott, can't start out the stack with (:(a)a~*^:(b)a~*^:(c)a~*^(d)a~*^) or something?
06:18:58 <elliott> sure
06:19:03 <elliott> that's not input though :)
06:19:04 <elliott> that's code
06:19:35 <Madoka-Kaname> ^command argument -> (~:(a)a~*^:(r)a~*^:(g)a~*^:(u)a~*^:(m)a~*^:(e)a~*^:(n)a~*^(t)a~*^)
06:20:06 <Madoka-Kaname> Er, (:(a)a~*^:(r)a~*^:(g)a~*^:(u)a~*^:(m)a~*^:(e)a~*^:(n)a~*^(t)a~*^)
06:20:24 <Madoka-Kaname> Then, you could do ^def echo ul (S)~^
06:20:57 <elliott> right, that's an input scheme
06:24:30 <shubshub> ^def echo ul (S)~^
06:24:30 <fungot> Defined.
06:24:36 <shubshub> ^echo hi
06:24:36 <fungot> ...out of stack!
06:24:39 <shubshub> lol
06:25:57 <Sgeo> elliott, which graphics thingy, if any?
06:26:03 <elliott> ?
06:26:05 <Sgeo> Out of Mayday's, Phoebus, and Ironhand?
06:26:06 <Sgeo> For DF
06:26:12 <elliott> glyphs
06:26:17 <elliott> oh
06:26:17 <elliott> df
06:26:20 <elliott> still glyphs
06:26:22 <elliott> use the defaults
06:26:27 <elliott> all the tilesets are
06:26:28 <elliott> (a) hideous
06:26:29 <elliott> and
06:26:32 <elliott> (b) mess up all the text and make it super hideous
06:26:56 <shubshub> why is egobot not on this channel anymore?
06:27:03 <shubshub> ^prefixes
06:27:03 <fungot> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?
06:27:10 <shubshub> !help
06:27:20 <Madoka-Kaname> ^show prefixes
06:27:20 <fungot> (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?)S
06:27:31 <Madoka-Kaname> Isn't ">" also a lambdabot prefix?
06:27:40 <shubshub> >help
06:27:56 <Madoka-Kaname> > "Hi. This is Haskell"
06:27:57 <lambdabot> "Hi. This is Haskell"
06:27:59 <shubshub> ^userinterps
06:27:59 <kmc> > let 2+2 = 5 in 2+2
06:28:01 <lambdabot> 5
06:28:13 <shubshub> >"Hello"
06:28:18 <kmc> :t ()
06:28:19 <lambdabot> ()
06:28:24 <shubshub> :hi
06:28:38 <kmc> no :t is a specific command
06:28:40 <shachaf> > 5."this is haskell"
06:28:40 <kmc> so is >
06:28:42 <lambdabot> [5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5]
06:28:44 <shubshub> > let 1+1 = window in 1+1
06:28:45 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `window'
06:28:45 <Madoka-Kaname> > let 2+2 = text "This isn't kindergarten, is it" in 2+2
06:28:46 <lambdabot> This isn't kindergarten, is it
06:28:54 <kmc> Madoka-Kaname++
06:29:23 <kmc> @run 2+2
06:29:24 <lambdabot> 4
06:29:25 <kmc> @type ()
06:29:26 <lambdabot> ()
06:30:13 <Sgeo> elliott, I am currently: Being stupid and reinstalling DF
06:30:18 <elliott> k
06:30:18 <Sgeo> Because I'm lazy
06:30:48 <shubshub> How does sh accept input?
06:31:06 <shubshub> @type /me hi
06:31:07 <lambdabot> parse error on input `/'
06:31:15 <shubshub> @type //me hi
06:31:16 <lambdabot> parse error on input `//'
06:31:27 <Sgeo> shubshub, @type gives the type of a Haskell expression
06:31:30 <Sgeo> @type "Hello"
06:31:31 <lambdabot> [Char]
06:31:37 <Sgeo> @type '!'
06:31:38 <lambdabot> Char
06:31:41 <shubshub> How does SH ACCEPT INPUT?
06:31:53 <kmc> How does sh Accept INPUT
06:32:02 <shubshub> please tell me
06:32:10 <kmc> i have no idea what your question means
06:32:24 <shubshub> how does the sh language accept input
06:32:29 <kmc> you mean unix shell script?
06:32:34 <Sgeo> `run read $blah; echo $blah
06:32:35 <shubshub> yea
06:32:37 <Sgeo> I think?
06:32:39 <kmc> input of what kind?
06:32:46 <kmc> you get command line arguments as variables $1, $2, etc
06:32:51 <kmc> you can read lines from stdin with 'read'
06:32:51 <shubshub> `run echo $blah
06:32:55 <HackEgo> No output.
06:32:57 <kmc> you can also read a book or web page about shell programmin
06:33:08 <HackEgo> No output.
06:33:14 <elliott> or you could just ask all your questions on irc and have people promote the behaviour by answer them
06:33:25 <elliott> even if they give a token recommendation to act differently afterwards
06:33:25 <kmc> yeah
06:33:29 <elliott> *answering
06:35:27 <Sgeo> elliott, I think I was anticipating the reinstall wiping the texture thing I installed. It did not
06:35:34 <shubshub> How does sh accept input from egobot?
06:35:41 <shubshub> which variable is it
06:35:54 <elliott> with the linux version its just in one convenient directory
06:35:55 <elliott> rm -r it and it's done
06:35:57 <elliott> easy
06:36:08 <shubshub> `run rm -r
06:36:11 <HackEgo> rm: missing operand \ Try `rm --help' for more information.
06:36:33 <shubshub> `run /j #ssoteric
06:36:37 <HackEgo> bash: /j: No such file or directory
06:36:40 <shubshub> lol
06:36:55 <shubshub> `run echo $I
06:36:57 <HackEgo> No output.
06:37:11 <shubshub> How do I make it output the source?
06:37:35 * Sgeo attempts to refrain from profanity and insults
06:38:03 <quintopia> is can ban now?
06:38:04 <shubshub> because im tryimg to add an interp to egobot but i dont
06:38:13 <shubshub> knoknow how to make it read the input
06:38:37 <quintopia> maybe you should not add an interp to egobot then
06:38:50 <shubshub> well I want to
06:38:52 <elliott> you guys realise that he goes away if you don't talk to him right
06:39:06 <shubshub> No I dont
06:39:15 <shubshub> I just get frustrated
06:39:34 <shubshub> Why won't someone just help me?
06:39:41 <quintopia> shubshub: go read up on shell programming and come back when you've written the thing. we can't possibly give you all the info you need here.
06:40:11 <elliott> quintopia: i think this has gone on long enough to adequately demonstrate he's not interested in changing his behaviour
06:40:20 <shubshub> .... *facepalm* Your not understanding what Im saying
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06:40:38 <Sgeo> shubshub, the best help we can give you is to tell you to at least try to learn on your own
06:40:46 <quintopia> elliott: sorry, i wasn't here to see it going on
06:41:25 <Sgeo> Read up on stuff. If you're reading, and have questions about what you're reading, then sure, ask
06:41:33 <Sgeo> But at least get started independently
06:41:42 <elliott> how often does #esoteric get employed in the service of teaching someone how to learn
06:42:32 <shubshub> I just want to know how to get the input ive read everywhere and it wont tell me
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06:45:05 <japh> wrote a javascript dcpu-16 emulator, working on compiler
06:45:12 <japh> assembler*
06:45:56 <qfr> -_-
06:47:20 <quintopia> japh: are you just another perl hacker
06:48:09 <japh> perlmonk at your service
06:49:59 <Sgeo> I just murdered two dwarves in the Object Testing arena
06:50:11 <elliott> just another poison hacker
06:50:49 <quintopia> japh: not http://perl.plover.com/obfuscated/ this guy?
06:52:40 <japh> no i'm this guy http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=140353
06:53:27 <japh> http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=139703
06:54:26 <japh> http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=135354
06:54:35 <japh> i was a nerd before it was cool
06:55:12 <elliott> I was cool before it was a nerd. :(
07:05:24 <itidus21> there there.. theres some possibility you can become cool again
07:08:30 <itidus21> you could vie for gregor-style cool
07:09:03 <itidus21> running the esolang wiki must increase your cool points
07:10:10 * itidus21 slowly realizes that the words wiki, vie, -style, points are all not cool
07:10:37 <itidus21> even the word cool isn't cool, as the simpsons explained
07:13:00 <kmc> itidus21: you're supposed to say "awesome" these days
07:13:03 <kmc> didn't you get the memo
07:13:37 <itidus21> well put.
07:16:56 <kmc> also be sure to refer to any technical problem as "trivial"
07:17:53 <itidus21> =))
07:18:30 <itidus21> uh... regular use of the term non-trivial in non-mathematical contexts
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07:31:21 <itidus21> caption "Gary decided that escaping this gathering of his relatives to catch the game would be non-trivial."
07:32:49 <elliott> @time monqy
07:32:51 <lambdabot> Local time for monqy is Tue May 1 00:32:50 2012
07:32:58 <elliott> happy 00:32:50
07:33:01 <monqy> im real tired i suhloudl slep
07:33:33 <monqy> but im too busy dragging myself throguh test.fk deespite being perhaps too tired to get anything out of it
07:33:43 <shachaf> monqy: instad ot slep ing try noten seleeping!!
07:33:45 <elliott> test.fk is the best "test.fk + elliott crawl literally the best funjoyment possible"
07:34:43 <shachaf> "whats even bettere than test.fk" "going to sleepe"
07:35:48 <pikhq_> Yup, it's definitely end of the semester.
07:36:09 <pikhq_> I'm procrastinating on nearly everything.
07:36:37 <pikhq_> Especially sleep.
07:37:48 <shachaf> "the only thing you we have to procrastinate on is procrastination itself"
07:38:19 <shachaf> - monqy the grammaphone
07:38:22 <pikhq_> Earlier this week I went to sleep at 6.
07:38:26 <shachaf> grammaphone = phone that gramma talks into
07:38:27 <pikhq_> It was delightful.
07:38:37 <shachaf> pikhq_: "which 6"
07:38:42 <pikhq_> 06:00
07:38:52 <shachaf> "the real one"
07:38:57 <pikhq_> Yes.
07:39:13 <shachaf> pikhq_: When are you coming to visit monqy and me in CA?
07:39:29 <pikhq_> shachaf: If I have sufficient funds to do so?
07:39:57 <pikhq_> I'm afraid that college is nontrivial in cost.
07:40:05 <pikhq_> And CA is nontrivial in distance.
07:40:12 <shachaf> go to college inc alifroniaa
07:40:19 <shachaf> problem = sloved
07:40:57 <pikhq_> I mean, sure, I only need to go through 4 states...
07:41:13 <pikhq_> That's still ~1,000 miles.
07:41:58 <shachaf> anger, hate, misery, apathy, what was the other one?
07:42:08 <shachaf> Is the dark side a state? I don't remember this at all.
07:42:13 <shachaf> The point is that it ends in apathy.
07:42:30 <pikhq_> Amusing driving directions, though.
07:42:54 <pikhq_> "Get on I-70. After 500 miles, keep left at the fork."
07:43:11 <cheater> lol
07:43:13 <shachaf> Aren't you in Colorado or something?
07:43:17 <pikhq_> Yes.
07:43:23 <pikhq_> A mere 1,000 miles away.
07:43:44 <pikhq_> (~1600 kilometers)
07:46:08 <pikhq_> (specifically, Colorado Springs, CO.)
07:46:26 <shachaf> "thats like "double colorado""
07:46:58 <pikhq_> It's also astoundingly conservative.
07:47:23 <shachaf> "colorado springs, the worst garbage collector :'("
07:47:30 <pikhq_> :P
07:48:21 <shachaf> There ought to be a liberal garbage collector that randomly collects any ol' memory.
07:48:38 <elliott> liberal garbage collector: fox news
07:48:42 <elliott> wait
07:48:48 <elliott> a liberal garbage collector would be one that collects liberal garbage
07:48:50 <pikhq_> I suppose I'll eventually end up moving to CA, though. Or at an absolute minimum Denver...
07:48:53 <elliott> so i guess it's more daily kos
07:49:00 <pikhq_> Living near Fox's viewer base is a bit disturbing.
07:49:29 <shachaf> pikhq_: How did you end up in Colawhatever sSPRIngs, Coalhrwla/>/
07:49:47 <pikhq_> shachaf: I was born here.
07:49:56 <Sgeo> My dad watches Fox News. I pretty much have to listen
07:49:56 <shachaf> Oh.
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07:50:06 <shachaf> So why are you going to college there too?
07:50:12 <shachaf> @remember monqy hello
07:50:13 <lambdabot> It is forever etched in my memory.
07:50:20 <pikhq_> I'm a cheap bastard.
07:50:41 <shubshub> @remember shubshub
07:50:41 <lambdabot> Incorrect arguments to quote
07:50:46 <elliott> shachaf: Isn't diving great?
07:50:50 <elliott> @forget monqy hello
07:50:50 <lambdabot> No match.
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07:51:01 <shubshub> @remember shubshub !!!Batch
07:51:01 <lambdabot> Done.
07:51:07 <shachaf> elliott: Diving?
07:51:07 <elliott> hi Ngevd, watch me play crawl
07:51:07 <Ngevd> Oh dear
07:51:09 <Ngevd> I just made a Reffit account
07:51:11 <Ngevd> Hello
07:51:15 <Ngevd> s/ff/dd/
07:51:17 <elliott> shachaf: You know, in Crawl.
07:51:20 <elliott> Ngevd: Don't. It's waful.
07:51:21 <elliott> I'm not kidding.
07:51:27 <shachaf> Is that like Digging For Victory?
07:51:27 <Ngevd> TOO LATE
07:51:30 <shachaf> Except just diving?
07:51:33 <Ngevd> Also, I'm using Windows
07:51:36 <shachaf> And for losery instead of victory?
07:51:51 <Ngevd> Wait, I've got Putty
07:51:53 <elliott> shachaf: More or less.
07:52:01 <Ngevd> Which server?
07:52:08 <elliott> crawl.develz.org port 345
07:52:31 <Ngevd> Watching
07:52:45 <elliott> "agen"
07:52:48 <shachaf> crawl.develz? MORE LIKE CRUELLA DE VIL
07:52:51 <shachaf> RIGHT????
07:52:53 <elliott> (you have to q and rewatch)
07:53:51 <shachaf> pikhq_: Money grows on trees in California.
07:54:01 <elliott> i guess that explains y combinator
07:54:17 <shachaf> y money = money (y money)
07:54:24 <shachaf> TWIST: s/e/q/g
07:54:26 <elliott> nobody knows why money
07:54:38 <pikhq_> shachaf: Unless you're a college student, in which case you have net negative income.
07:54:43 <shachaf> if only monqy was here to see my twist :"(
07:54:48 <pikhq_> Or a college graduate...
07:54:54 <elliott> shachaf: why are you making stupid jokes when you could be watching me play crawl
07:55:23 <shachaf> pikhq_: No, it literally grows on trees.
07:55:28 <shachaf> in the form of ORANGES
07:55:33 <shachaf> did you know orange = monqy
07:55:39 <shachaf> s/q/e/g
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07:55:44 <shachaf> orangq = monqy
07:55:50 <shachaf> netacraft ocnfirms it
07:55:51 <pikhq_> Did you know that college costs all the money?
07:56:03 <elliott> currently im running from edmund and two jackals
07:56:05 <elliott> uhh by two i mean
07:56:06 <elliott> a bunch
07:56:07 <shachaf> I did, as a matter of fact. :-(
07:56:15 <elliott> actually currently i'm dead
07:56:23 <shachaf> "how elliott coutns, ep. 1:::::"
07:56:25 <shachaf> "1"
07:56:28 <pikhq_> I was born in the wrong damned country.
07:56:29 <shachaf> "how elliott coutns, ep. a bunch:::::"
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07:56:31 <shachaf> "a bunch"
07:57:13 <pikhq_> Country where people can't even pronounce my name. Bastards.
07:58:16 <shachaf> What's your name?
07:58:25 <pikhq_> Worcester.
07:58:59 <shachaf> good name
07:59:17 <pikhq_> Hard to get more English than a name like that.
07:59:28 <pikhq_> I suppose my first name could be something like "Gareth" or "Nigel" though.
08:00:00 <shachaf> ion: is heh.fi your wbeistee
08:05:55 <itidus21> gareth is one of those names that doesn't have a feminine counterpart
08:07:09 <shubshub> do /msg egobot !!!Batch <put letters here>
08:09:23 <shachaf> pikhq_: Are you in college in the summer? You should come to CA then!
08:09:28 <shachaf> It's the logical thing to do.
08:11:09 <pikhq_> shachaf: Would still need money to go to CA.
08:11:22 <pikhq_> Aside from that factor, though, totally awesome.
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08:11:30 <elliott> shachaf: Are you watching this?
08:12:14 <elliott> lmfao
08:12:26 <elliott> shachaf: You have to see this.
08:13:26 <shachaf> elliott: No, I stopped.
08:13:34 <elliott> But 5 centaurs.
08:13:36 <shachaf> hi centaurs
08:13:45 <shachaf> youe diede
08:16:03 <shachaf> elliott: What a great game!
08:16:09 <shachaf> elliott: Are ou playing SpVM?
08:16:13 <elliott> spas
08:16:25 <shachaf> what dodes' "As'" standa for
08:16:28 <elliott> assassin
08:16:50 <shachaf> What do they do?
08:16:55 <elliott> assassinate
08:17:00 <shachaf> <elliott> assassinate
08:17:02 <shachaf> HA HA
08:17:07 <shachaf> HOW FUNNY
08:17:23 <shachaf> Thanks, latency, for spoiling my humouur
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08:43:09 <pikhq_> Huh.
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08:43:25 <pikhq_> The FDA is legally barred from banning tobacco.
08:43:56 <pikhq_> There is an actual law on the books saying tobacco, and tobacco alone, cannot be banned due to being unsafe.
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08:45:46 <shachaf> (cannot be banned) due to (being unsafe)
08:58:48 <shubshub> ./msg egobot !!!Batch abc
09:01:53 <shubshub> Why isnt egobot in this channel anymore?
09:02:41 <shubshub> @ask fizzie why isnt egobot in this channel anymore?
09:02:41 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
09:03:22 <shubshub> @ask lambdabot hi
09:03:23 <lambdabot> Nice try ;)
09:03:33 <shubshub> @tell lambdabot hi
09:03:33 <lambdabot> Nice try ;)
09:04:31 <fizzie> Don't ask me, it's not my bot.
09:04:31 <lambdabot> fizzie: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
09:04:38 <fizzie> @clear-messages
09:04:39 <lambdabot> Messages cleared.
09:04:58 <shubshub> fizzie yay
09:05:04 <shubshub> oh ok
09:05:09 <shubshub> whose bot is it
09:05:31 <fizzie> Gregor's.
09:05:52 <shubshub> @ask Gregor why isnt egobot in this channel anymore?
09:05:52 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
09:06:40 <shubshub> can I Make my own bot?
09:07:20 <fizzie> It's a free node.
09:07:28 <shubshub> what does that mean
09:07:38 <fizzie> Just punning.
09:07:44 <shubshub> lol
09:07:56 <shubshub> Ill Make My Bot And Call It S-Bot
09:08:51 <shubshub> It Will Be Ablle to Interpret My Own Languages
09:09:55 <nortti> shubshub: your programming language or the languah
09:10:02 <nortti> *language you speak
09:10:13 <shubshub> Programming Languages
09:10:32 <shubshub> Also some other stuff
09:11:19 <shachaf> fizzie: Have you considered the RACE CONDITION involved in using @clear-messages??!!!?!/!?!
09:14:27 <fizzie> shachaf: Now I have.
09:14:28 <shubshub> do /msg egobot !!!Batch hi
09:16:31 <shachaf> /msg egobot !!!Batch hi
09:16:55 <shubshub> one less space
09:17:00 <shubshub> lol
09:17:28 <shachaf> /msg egobot !!!Batchhi
09:18:17 <nortti> shubshub: ?!!!!!!!!??!!!!!!!!!??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
09:18:25 <shubshub> lol
09:18:36 <shubshub> i dont know what the other one is on the end
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09:20:20 <shubshub> WTF
09:20:25 <shubshub> FUNGOT LEFT
09:28:31 <shubshub> nortti it works but not great
09:33:29 <shubshub> fizzie: whens fungot comin back?
09:34:22 <shubshub> Hmmm now which language supports Online Capabolities
09:35:01 <shubshub> Does Underload?
09:44:27 <nortti> shubshub: almost none of the esoteric languages support any kind of networking
09:45:18 <shubshub> :(
09:45:19 <shubshub> Befunge does
09:46:30 <shubshub> BrainFuck++ does I think
09:48:21 <shubshub> can i get a confirm on that?
09:48:31 <shubshub> Does brainfuck++ support networking?
09:49:13 <shubshub> @ask HackEgo hi
09:49:13 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
09:49:21 <shubshub> `run echo hi
09:49:24 <HackEgo> hi
09:49:24 <lambdabot> HackEgo: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
09:49:32 <shubshub> lol
09:49:51 <shubshub> `run echo @karma
09:49:54 <HackEgo> ​@karma
09:50:35 <shubshub> `runecho hi
09:50:36 <shubshub> `echo hi
09:50:37 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: runecho: not found
09:50:52 <HackEgo> hi
09:51:07 <shubshub> `echo @karma
09:51:10 <HackEgo> ​@karma
09:51:23 <shubshub> `echo @karma
09:51:26 <HackEgo> ​@karma
09:51:59 <shubshub> `echo `echo hi
09:52:01 <HackEgo> ​`echo hi
09:52:12 <shubshub> `echo hi
09:52:15 <HackEgo> hi
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09:57:04 <shubshub> LOL!
09:57:12 <shubshub> i crashed lambdabot
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09:57:35 <shubshub> @karma
09:57:39 <lambdabot> You have a karma of -1
09:58:30 <Sgeo> Any PSOX-capable esolang + PSOX supports networking
09:59:29 <shubshub> hmmm?
10:00:01 <Sgeo> http://esolangs.org/wiki/PSOX
10:00:26 <Sgeo> It's not currently in a usable state. I abandoned it years ago, the copy in SVN is broken, no one supports it
10:00:57 <Sgeo> Don't use it
10:01:01 <shubshub> Why
10:01:33 <shubshub> I "might" be able to make it worm
10:02:03 <shubshub> work*
10:02:21 <shubshub> `'
10:02:24 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ': not found
10:02:28 <Sgeo> The support for files is broken
10:02:30 <Sgeo> For one
10:02:37 <Sgeo> And there are no plans whatsoever to fix that
10:02:43 <shubshub> What Language is it written in?
10:02:44 <Sgeo> Networking support should be good though
10:02:52 <Sgeo> Python.
10:03:03 <Sgeo> http://trac.assembla.com/psox/browser/trunk have fun
10:03:05 <shubshub> Ill fix it easy
10:03:15 <Sgeo> It is an easy fix
10:03:25 <Sgeo> I know exactly what needs to be fixed, actually. Just never did it
10:03:32 <shubshub> Then do it
10:03:37 <Sgeo> Ignore the README.txt
10:03:40 <shubshub> make it a working language
10:03:47 <Sgeo> shubshub, it's not a language
10:03:52 <shubshub> Oh
10:03:58 <shubshub> what is it
10:04:28 <Sgeo> It's a thing that goes between a program written in a language and stdio
10:04:38 <shubshub> Oh
10:04:51 <Sgeo> So that if you're running a Brainfuck interpreter under it, the brainfuck code can do things like networking stuff
10:05:04 * shubshub is actually now thinking of making a Networking language now ^_^
10:06:21 <shubshub> Ill call it NetCMD++
10:06:32 <Sgeo> shubshub, problems with PSOX: It's too elaborate and really only good with Brainfuck and similar languages
10:07:01 <shubshub> Ill make this lang in python to give its own networking ^_^
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10:09:42 <shubshub> NetCMD++ I LIKE THAT NAME :D
10:13:44 <shubshub> NetCMD++
10:17:34 <ion> shachaf: yeah
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10:25:48 <ion> shachaf: FSVO wbeistee
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12:23:17 <Ngevd> Hello, Phantom_Hoover
12:23:30 <Phantom_Hoover> hlo
12:23:48 <Ngevd> How're you?
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16:04:48 <Phantom_Hoover> Ngevd, I am: fine
16:04:52 <Phantom_Hoover> How is your: DF
16:05:54 <Ngevd> Doing well
16:06:08 <Ngevd> Didn't realise how RIDICULOUSLY FAST a good danger room is
16:06:36 <Phantom_Hoover> Really?
16:06:54 <Ngevd> Yep
16:07:02 <Ngevd> Competent to Legendary in seconds
16:07:15 <Phantom_Hoover> Weren't you there when I was using DRs to go from no military to siegebreaking /during the siege/?
16:07:22 <Ngevd> No?
16:07:25 <Ngevd> I was just after that
16:07:52 <Phantom_Hoover> Admittedly those all went awry for various reasons, mainly due to scrimping.
16:08:20 <Ngevd> :/
16:09:07 <Phantom_Hoover> Basically, optimal DRing requires that you first get them up to legendary armour user by not equipping them with shields or weapons, then giving them their weapon until they become legendary in that, then finally giving them a shield and polishing it off with legendary shield user.
16:09:42 <Phantom_Hoover> The armour stage takes ages, but it increases their survivability a hell of a lot.
16:09:48 <Ngevd> Armour first? damn
16:10:18 <Ngevd> Well, that's a single dwarf ruined forever
16:10:56 <Phantom_Hoover> Nah, just remove their shield and weapon in the equipment skills then top off armour.
16:11:18 <Ngevd> Okay!
16:11:31 <Ngevd> I'll do that when I next go on
16:11:58 <Phantom_Hoover> Shield precludes weapon precludes armour, basically; the slower skills will basically grind to a halt.
16:12:39 <Ngevd> That's easy
16:12:40 <Ngevd> :)
16:12:53 <Ngevd> Thanks, mister Danger Room Hoover of Old Edinburgh Town
16:13:10 <Phantom_Hoover> Actually I've only ever lived in the New Town.
16:13:52 <Ngevd> Thanks, mister Danger Room Hoover of New Edinburgh Town
16:14:09 <nortti> Yay. I have succesfully buit busybox and musl using my own package manager
16:14:13 <Phantom_Hoover> Better -_-
16:14:24 <Ngevd> nortti, Yay
16:14:48 <Phantom_Hoover> nortti, you should talk to elliott, he once made a package manager.
16:15:09 <nortti> Phantom_Hoover: source based or binary based?
16:15:11 <Phantom_Hoover> It's never used, of course, but who cares.
16:15:41 <Phantom_Hoover> It basically just automated ./configure; make; make install with some additional bells and whistles AFAIK.
16:16:34 <nortti> Phantom_Hoover: My package manager supports syncing with repo, installing and uninstalling and has builtin dependecy resolver
16:17:33 <nortti> (source based)
16:18:32 <Phantom_Hoover> It occurs to me that elliott is probably going to yell at me because I described it completely wrongly, but now I totally have the drop on him because if he does he'll be dancing from my puppeteer's strings.
16:22:10 <nortti> Phantom_Hoover: did it work with progams that want to be compiled by make defconfig; make?
16:22:23 <Phantom_Hoover> I don't know, ask him?
16:23:45 <nortti> @ask elliott did your package manager work with programs that want to be compiled by make defconfig; make
16:23:46 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
16:24:35 <nortti> @ask HackEgo `date
16:24:35 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
16:24:46 <nortti> `uname -a
16:24:51 <HackEgo> Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
16:24:52 <lambdabot> HackEgo: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
16:25:09 <nortti> `echo @messages
16:25:12 <HackEgo> ​@messages
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16:26:36 <nortti> `? nortti
16:26:39 <HackEgo> nortti? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:26:53 <Phantom_Hoover> lambdabot ignores HE these days.
16:27:05 <nortti> I noticed
16:27:20 <Ngevd> `? Taneb
16:27:23 <HackEgo> Taneb is not actually Ngevd, no matter what you may have heard.
16:27:27 <Ngevd> `? Ngevd
16:27:30 <HackEgo> ​+'.km.pԁ* \ 'ؒ.~(.$ls&y].CEj6)WaN..=ʵ%f.M.bͦeD4m0.&R..L{Noͳ[ʈ.7Kyv.$ppD \ })\0#hG0(T'.E1.cr5t=Z.V|......ߴl!¾.)_ i|IZf%k9$}:Tע\wHZq8 GXV'oF*ضhYL.ijŭB,z_9I
16:27:38 <Gregor> <Phantom_Hoover> lambdabot ignores HE these days. // why? It shouldn't be possible to botloop ...
16:27:38 <lambdabot> Gregor: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
16:27:42 <Gregor> @messages
16:27:42 <lambdabot> shubshub asked 7h 21m 46s ago: why isnt egobot in this channel anymore?
16:27:50 <Gregor> Because fail.
16:28:07 <nortti> Ngevd: I think it is trying to say that you are random
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16:28:33 <nortti> `? pikhq
16:28:33 <Phantom_Hoover> @where fizzie
16:28:33 <lambdabot> I know nothing about fizzie.
16:28:36 <HackEgo> pikhq? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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16:28:39 <Phantom_Hoover> @where oklopol
16:28:39 <lambdabot> I know nothing about oklopol.
16:28:46 <Phantom_Hoover> That one.
16:29:02 <ion> If you need to add specific ignores to bots to prevent bot loops, YOU’RE DOING IT WRONG. Following the RFC properly, bot loops can simply never happen.
16:29:16 <Phantom_Hoover> ???
16:29:21 <Phantom_Hoover> Which RFC?
16:29:23 <ais523> ion: but everyone makes bots reply in privmsg rather than notice, partly due to mirc not following the standards, as usual
16:29:34 <Phantom_Hoover> Oh.
16:29:35 <Gregor> Mostly because notice looks fucking terrible in every client.
16:29:46 <Gregor> Oh god no.
16:29:51 <Gregor> This is not acceptable.
16:29:52 <ion> ais523: Yep, following the RFC makes mIRC users use more effort to crying than it would take to uncheck the “GIVE ME AN ELECTRIC SHOCK WHENEVER BOTS SPEAK” checkbox. :-)
16:29:56 <Phantom_Hoover> Eurgh.
16:30:25 <Gregor> Find me ONE client in which this doesn't look completely fucking awful, ion. Seriously, one client.
16:30:26 <ion> It’s also annoying when bot messages look like human discussion, so you can’t skip them as easily.
16:30:41 <ion> I’ve been using Irssi and WeeChat and they look fine in them.
16:30:58 <nortti> ion: it looks terrible in irssi
16:31:10 <Phantom_Hoover> Note that the left column is now crazy wide.
16:31:27 <Gregor> You make the left column crazy wide anyway, Phantom_Hoover ;)
16:31:29 <nortti> I have no left colum :p
16:31:36 <Phantom_Hoover> You are bad.
16:31:58 <nortti> Phantom_Hoover: why?
16:32:32 <Phantom_Hoover> Because the messages should all be left-aligned to the same place.
16:32:39 <nortti> Phantom_Hoover: why
16:33:23 <Gregor> ion: Anyway, I avoid botloops with Unicode, which works great and looks great in virtually all clients.
16:33:25 <Phantom_Hoover> Because they form one continuous record of text; they shouldn't be jumbled up by additional information.
16:33:32 <Gregor> ion: And you will complain about for some reason or another.
16:37:35 <nortti> Phantom_Hoover: I use length on nick to quickly differentiate between nicks
16:38:13 <nortti> *of
16:38:16 <Gregor> I use grammar, punctuation and spelling to do the same.
16:38:24 <Phantom_Hoover> You realise that you can still do that if it's centre-aligned.
16:39:37 <nortti> Phantom_Hoover: well actually I just look at the text and if indentation changes I know that it is another nicl
16:39:44 <nortti> *nick
16:40:38 <Phantom_Hoover> Meanwhile I look at the text and get a rough idea of the nick from how long it is.
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16:55:46 <Ngevd> Sgeo, update?
16:57:02 <Sgeo> Yes
16:57:37 <Ngevd> Do the update thing!
17:05:13 <Sgeo> Wasn't it a while ago though?
17:05:39 <Sgeo> Or not
17:05:59 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, if you haven't seen update, update etc.
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18:43:50 <elliott> `echo test
18:43:50 <lambdabot> elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
18:43:52 <HackEgo> test
18:44:07 <elliott> 19:44 <lambdabot> nortti asked 2h 20m 8s ago: did your package manager work with programs that want to be compiled by make defconfig; make
18:44:11 <elliott> @ask nortti What package manager?
18:44:11 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
18:44:37 <elliott> 16:26:53: <Phantom_Hoover> lambdabot ignores HE these days.
18:44:44 <elliott> @tell Phantom_Hoover False.
18:44:44 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
18:45:04 <elliott> 16:29:35: <Gregor> Mostly because notice looks fucking terrible in every client.
18:45:05 <elliott> ++
18:45:10 <elliott> ion: They're hideous in every client, not just mIRC.
18:46:17 <ais523> elliott: I brought up mIRC as an example, because not just is it hideous, it also causes a ping
18:46:19 <Gregor> To be fair, user-to-user notices look fine, it's just channel notices that look awful. But it's the fact that user notices look fine that forces channel notices to look awful, so yeah.
18:46:26 <ais523> that is, channel notices ping all mIRC users in them
18:46:45 <elliott> anyway, preventing botloops is evil
18:46:50 <elliott> the RFC is evil for trying to prevent them
18:46:58 <elliott> and Gregor needs to make HackEgo say @messages
18:48:06 <Gregor> lol
18:48:18 <ais523> elliott: does it add invisible characters if someone else tries?
18:48:23 <ais523> `echo @messages
18:48:24 <elliott> Yes.
18:48:26 <HackEgo> ​@messages
18:48:28 <elliott> HackEgo is horrible.
18:48:33 <elliott> Gregor: No, seriously; HackEgo has lambdabot messages.
18:48:38 <elliott> lambdabot will keep pinging it every now and then if you don't.
18:48:55 <Gregor> Good for lambdabot?
18:49:03 <ion> helliiot. I was feeling crawly, so i started a game at CDO. (I didn’t continue the old game at CAO yet since i felt like trying a naga since they apparently have a constricting ability nowadays.)
18:49:27 <elliott> I'll watch.
18:49:30 <elliott> Hey, monqy is playing.
18:49:37 <elliott> Oh, idle for four minutes.
18:49:41 <elliott> Wow, CDO is packed today.
18:50:03 <monqy> im eating
18:50:22 <elliott> ion: Spiders!
18:50:23 <elliott> Spiders are great.
18:50:27 <elliott> You should go to the spiders.
18:50:29 <elliott> @time monqy
18:50:30 <lambdabot> Local time for monqy is Tue May 1 11:50:29 2012
18:50:30 <ion> The Spider Nest didn’t exist either when i played the last time. Let’s see if i die.
18:50:33 <elliott> Happy 11:50:29.
18:50:50 <ais523> elliott: that's a rather belated happy
18:50:50 <elliott> ion: You have lots of HP. :(
18:50:58 <elliott> ais523: It's for California.
18:51:10 <ais523> (on a related note, I get vaguely freaked out whenever I look at the clock and see it's 5:23)
18:51:15 <elliott> ion: Are you using bigterm?
18:51:18 <elliott> Your messages keep overlapping.
18:51:20 <ais523> elliott: I mean you didn't say that in the same second as lambdabot's response
18:51:23 <monqy> elliott: hit r
18:51:28 <elliott> Ew, he is.
18:51:34 <elliott> No, I don't want to resize my terminal.
18:51:40 <elliott> I want ion to 80x24 instead.
18:51:42 <ion> elliott: Hit r to resize your terminal.
18:51:50 <elliott> ion: try hand of trog???
18:51:53 <elliott> or something
18:51:55 <monqy> hes too berk
18:51:57 <elliott> oh
18:51:59 <ais523> elliott: hand of trog doesn't resize terminals
18:52:07 <elliott> ais523: maybe not for you
18:52:16 <elliott> ion: anyway, pls use 80x24 :(
18:52:29 <elliott> monqy: thanks for r though that's useful (for knowing when to yell at people)
18:52:33 <ion> elliott: Why?
18:52:52 <elliott> monqy: please explain to ion about politeness and morals and civilised decency
18:52:56 <monqy> elliott: you can also see on the games list if a termsize is bigger than yours (itle be red)
18:53:04 <elliott> yeah i know that part but "so much worke"
18:53:05 <monqy> ion: ask ##crawl about hugeterm
18:53:25 <ais523> <Henzell> hugeterm[1/4]: Any terminal size greater than 80x24 makes your games harder to watch for people using the standard size, which also means that all future viewings of your recorded games will be harder to watch. With ttyrecs specifically, larger terms mean both a scrambled view and a shorter playback time.
18:53:37 <elliott> also its ugly
18:53:45 <ais523> nethack 4 does not have this problem!
18:53:53 <ais523> (and wouldn't even if watching were implemented!)
18:54:02 <elliott> 19:53 <Henzell> hugeterm[2/4]: Don't be that guy.
18:54:05 <elliott> ion is being that guy
18:54:19 <elliott> except i guess your terminal has to be even bigger than ion's to qualify for "thatguyness"
18:54:22 <ion> Let’s try a kynäniska fighter. I suppose that translates to English rather well. A pencil neck.
18:54:22 <elliott> but still
18:54:26 <elliott> minor sins are sins; why is ion an octopus
18:54:28 <monqy> elliott i got eustachio the giant eyeball
18:54:33 <elliott> monqy: did you die to it
18:54:36 <monqy> no
18:54:38 <elliott> monqy: come onnnnn
18:54:48 <monqy> polying uniques to giant eyeballs means they can't cast
18:54:50 <elliott> ugh how can i decide between watching ion and monqy
18:54:53 <monqy> and he hadn't spammed summons
18:54:55 <monqy> watch both
18:54:56 <elliott> monqy: yes but
18:54:59 <elliott> you should have just skipped turns
18:55:13 <elliott> monqy: what are you doing this game
18:55:14 <elliott> oh back to spacebar
18:55:20 <monqy> i can dive if you'd prefer
18:55:26 <elliott> "im fine with anythinge"
18:56:44 <elliott> ion: have you seen monqy's spacebar play
18:57:05 <ion> no
18:57:09 <elliott> dude
18:57:10 <ion> What’s monqy’s spacebar play?
18:57:15 <elliott> connect to squarelos now
18:57:29 <monqy> it's not as impressive as autorobin or xw or cashybrid or any of the other bots really
18:57:33 <elliott> actually he's not going as fast as usual right now but "only a matter of time"
18:57:39 <elliott> monqy: wait, when did I say it was impressive
18:57:45 <monqy> ok
18:57:50 <ion> Ok, watching.
18:57:58 <elliott> it's not impressive, it's just impressively idiotic
18:58:29 <ion> Is that a lua script you’re using?
18:58:33 <elliott> yes
18:58:40 <elliott> he has autoexplore and an autofight script he wrote both on spcaebar
18:59:07 <elliott> oh no, not a quarterstaff of chaos
18:59:14 <elliott> "crawl final bosse"
18:59:19 <ion> monqy: Do you happen to have a URL to your crawl config? I’m lazy.
18:59:47 <elliott> i think the ##crawl bots can generate those
18:59:58 <ais523> is this CAO or CDO?
19:00:01 <elliott> CDO
19:00:04 <elliott> squarelos
19:00:35 <ais523> elliott: he's squarelos on nethack4.org, too :)
19:00:48 <elliott> I know he is, I watched him play his single NetHack 4 game :p
19:00:49 <ais523> bleh, the bots only do CAO RC files
19:00:57 <ais523> monqy: what did you think of nh4?
19:01:11 <monqy> it was unplayably laggy for me
19:01:14 <elliott> ais523: i quote, "nethack is weird"
19:01:25 <ais523> crawl is weirder
19:01:30 <monqy> nethack is weirder
19:01:31 <elliott> ion: http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/squarelos.rc
19:01:32 <ais523> I bet it's a matter of what you're used to
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19:01:34 <Ngevd> I'm on the wrong OS to play df
19:01:34 <ion> Thanks
19:01:35 <elliott> ais523: http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/squarelos.rc
19:01:39 <Ngevd> And stream it
19:01:45 <Ngevd> In a text-based medium
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19:02:17 <Ngevd> I could theoretically get a webcam-desktop-y thing and figure out my Livestream password
19:02:23 <elliott> we're watching squarelos tho
19:02:40 <elliott> ais523: ion: the actual thing is after "AUTOWHATEVER"
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19:03:06 <monqy> i havent given much effort to it
19:03:11 <elliott> # OF ALL COOL MONSTERS, I WANT ONLY THE COOLEST
19:03:15 <monqy> i probably will actually try and make it good over the summer
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19:03:22 <elliott> these comments do a good job of summarising my beliefs
19:03:24 <elliott> and goals
19:03:40 <ais523> # MAP DELTAS TO HJKLYUBN BUT IN LOWERCASE
19:03:53 <ais523> I'd have written that comment in lowercase so I wouldn't need the "but in lowercase"
19:04:06 <elliott> i don't think ais523 appreciates the spirit of squarelos
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19:04:48 <ais523> no wonder the square los fork never really caught on, if squarelos is its biggest supporter
19:05:11 <elliott> i think squarelos is in "memorial" of squarelos instead
19:05:15 <monqy> yes
19:05:16 <ais523> # THING
19:05:23 <ion> https://github.com/ion1/crawl-config/compare/master-base...master
19:06:07 <elliott> did monqy die
19:06:10 <monqy> xom confusion
19:06:11 <elliott> i always look away one second beforehand
19:06:14 <monqy> can't quaff curing because mumy
19:06:15 <elliott> thanks, xom
19:06:23 <monqy> maybe i should have jsut stayed still
19:06:26 <monqy> waited it out
19:06:28 <monqy> "nah"
19:06:50 * ais523 is upset at what the Crawl devteam did to mummies
19:07:06 <ais523> the original version of them was a race that was all-around weak but capable of grinding, so that people who liked grinding had something to play
19:07:09 <ais523> then they removed the grinding
19:07:16 <ais523> and now they're just a challenge race
19:07:32 <elliott> that sounds like an improvement to me
19:07:42 <elliott> ais523: please tell monqy to kill all the plants
19:07:49 <elliott> he's being horrible and leaving them
19:08:31 <nortti> pikhq: your bootstrap-linux looks awesome
19:08:31 <lambdabot> nortti: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
19:08:46 <nortti> @messages
19:08:46 <lambdabot> elliott asked 24m 35s ago: What package manager?
19:09:18 <nortti> elliott: I head you wrote a simple package manager
19:09:36 <elliott> Where did you hear that? I mean, I have, sure.
19:09:44 <elliott> But I've written multiple things that could be classified as that.
19:09:47 <elliott> monqy: What are you doing walking around manually?
19:09:50 <elliott> Oh, you're diving.
19:09:53 <ais523> meh, if it can't solve Sudoku, it's insufficiently good at resolving complex dependency issues
19:10:14 <elliott> monqy: I died a lot yesterday. :(
19:10:20 <elliott> I mean, aftery ou passed out.
19:10:22 <elliott> *after you
19:10:56 <elliott> ais523: oh! I was going to ask you
19:11:07 <elliott> ais523: you know the TAEB blog? it's down, and the Wayback Machine doesn't have it
19:11:17 <elliott> do you have a copy (particularly of the Planar post), or can you ask sartak for a copy?
19:11:19 <ais523> elliott: I'm aware of that; however, someone found it
19:11:25 <ais523> I do have a copy of the Planar post
19:11:32 <ais523> minus the images
19:11:33 <elliott> hmm, where's the found version? or is it not anywhere?
19:11:40 <elliott> without the images is a shame
19:11:41 <nortti> elliott: from Phantom_Hoover. How can I link to a single post in a log
19:11:41 <ais523> the blog itself is up elsewhere, also minus the images
19:11:46 <ais523> I think I have the images saved separately, though
19:11:50 <ais523> now I just have to remember where it was
19:11:56 <elliott> nortti: click the space between the name and the time
19:11:58 <elliott> (yes, it's weird)
19:12:00 <elliott> then copy the url
19:12:02 <elliott> needs js
19:12:09 <elliott> ais523: thanks
19:12:16 <ais523> http://taeb-nethack.blogspot.de/
19:12:22 <ais523> thank you, browser history
19:12:50 <elliott> thanks
19:12:52 <elliott> monqy: there you go ^
19:13:01 <elliott> bleh
19:13:04 <elliott> the lack of images is annoying
19:13:13 <ais523> oh, the video links aren't working either, because I deleted my youtube account
19:13:28 <elliott> ais523: could you try to dig up the images? it'd be nice to have a complete copy of that post (because I like it)
19:16:03 <nortti> elliott: I can't click between time and name on android browser or opera mini. Search musl on today's log and you should find it
19:16:09 <ais523> elliott: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/3.tgz
19:16:22 <elliott> ais523: thanks
19:17:58 <elliott> ais523: incomplete
19:18:07 <elliott> it doesn't have tactical-planning.png
19:18:29 <ais523> elliott: that isn't the name of the file
19:18:35 <elliott> or strategic-planning.png
19:18:35 <ais523> in the copy of the images I have
19:18:39 <elliott> well, OK
19:18:43 <elliott> it's the name used in the URL
19:18:44 <ais523> probably those are "tactics.png" and "strategy.png"
19:19:02 <ais523> you'll have to use a bit of imagination to work out which image goes where
19:19:43 <elliott> ais523: that post has no dependencies, right? ISTR a table of cost conversion things that isn't in this post, but I may be misremembering
19:19:51 <nortti> elliott: never mind. I was trying it with txt version codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-05-01#161409nortti
19:20:16 <elliott> Right, inst. That wasn't really a package manager.
19:20:25 <ais523> elliott: that's the only post I made for that blog
19:20:29 <elliott> But you could give it a URL and it would automatically build the program it links to.
19:20:30 <ais523> hmm, inst was a bit like aimake, wasn't it?
19:20:45 <ais523> except it relied on the thing it downloaded already having a build system of its own
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19:21:30 <elliott> ais523: OK, I'm going to upload a version of the post with images to esolangs.org.
19:21:42 <ais523> heh
19:21:47 <ais523> I guess nethack4.org would make more sense
19:21:56 <nortti> elliott: What other software that could be classified as package managers
19:22:14 <elliott> There was that thing I wrote for Kitten that was too underpowered to work.
19:22:30 <nortti> Kitten?
19:24:52 <elliott> A Linux distro I almost wrote but then didn't.
19:24:59 <ais523> elliott: I recommend reading the post immediately before mine, btw, it's great (about the technical issues of knowing when you have a complete frame)
19:25:06 <elliott> ais523: yeah, I remember that one
19:25:13 <ais523> in which sorear found two bugs in BSD
19:26:14 <nortti> elliott: how was your package manager too uderpowered
19:26:36 <elliott> In the same way that cp does not make an adequate package manager.
19:26:55 <nortti> elliott: what features it had
19:26:59 <monqy> was your package manager cp
19:27:02 <elliott> Little.
19:27:04 <elliott> monqy: cp++
19:27:16 <ais523> object-oriented cp?
19:27:42 <monqy> cp with the side effect of incrementing cp
19:28:20 <nortti> cp with huge bloat over standard cp using object oriented paragdim
19:28:35 <ais523> and operator overloading!
19:29:20 <nortti> because everyone just loves that you can't tell what operator really does!
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19:32:00 <nortti> my package manager was for a pretty long time script that printed "Try compiling it yourself. I'l implement this if I feel like it."
19:32:19 <ais523> nortti: why would you even run it?
19:33:23 <nortti> ais523: In case my friends tried to install anything when using my computer
19:33:37 <ais523> nortti: but you didn't tell them your root password, did you?
19:34:08 <nortti> ais523: my system allowed installing to ~/bin
19:34:28 <nortti> ais523: of course I didn't
19:34:50 <ais523> well, most people wouldn't expect package managers to install there
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19:35:21 <nortti> ais523: it was on my system manual (5 lines of text)
19:37:36 <nortti> "you can install programs to ~/bin if you want to"
19:38:10 <ais523> I still don't get how they'd know what command to run
19:38:58 <nortti> ais523: apt-get was symlinked to it. All of my friends use *buntu or linux mint
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19:46:03 <monqy> is !bypass_ignore a botloop thing
19:46:33 <oerjan> no, it's for bypassing /ignore :P
19:47:23 <monqy> oh that makes more sense
19:50:16 <nortti> "Gasoline makes our cars run and our
19:50:58 <nortti> "Gasoline makes our cars run and our Molotov cocktails burn. And depending on how much you drive, or how much you fight The Man each week, gasoline may very well be one of the biggest expenses you have. "
19:52:36 * oerjan checks whether the wiki has been locked or something :P
19:53:31 <nortti> oerjan: why
19:54:09 <oerjan> because there have been no changes in about 2 days
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19:55:26 <nortti> you're righ. Interesting
19:55:33 <nortti> +t
19:56:01 <elliott> i locked the wiki and deleted all pages and disabled oerjan's account and then graffitied a church
19:56:08 <elliott> then blew up the government
19:56:09 * oerjan considers taking that as a hint to change the topic, but reconsiders.
19:56:18 <oerjan> elliott: all in a good day's work?
19:56:37 <elliott> yes tomorrow i'm going to free all prisoners and destroy moon
19:56:41 <elliott> *the moon
19:56:47 <elliott> can't destroy moon of course, that's impossible
19:57:05 <elliott> ion: Weren't you playing Crawl?
19:57:13 <oerjan> alexander abian will finally be vindicated!
19:57:30 <elliott> oerjan: anyway, the real reason there have been no edits is because there is no quality any more
19:57:31 <elliott> just ask NSQX
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19:57:38 <ion> elliott: In a moment.
19:58:55 <ion> Namely, now.
19:59:18 <oerjan> "Refutations were given toward that idea by NASA saying that part of the exploded Moon would come back as a meteorite impacting the Earth and causing sufficient damage to extinguish all life, while restoring the seasons in the process."
20:00:10 <elliott> ion: your terminal is still the wrong size tho
20:00:17 <ion> no u
20:00:47 <oerjan> exploding the moon: not as good as you'd think?
20:00:47 <elliott> "Abian gained a degree of international notoriety for his claim that blowing up the Moon would solve virtually every problem of human existence." good
20:01:04 <ion> I don’t want a smaller field of vision just because Crawl’s software architecture sucks.
20:01:34 <oerjan> or just NASA propaganda to protect their secret moon base?
20:01:46 <elliott> monqy: please edcuate ion on not being a terrible person :(
20:02:04 <monqy> ion: "hugeterm is sinful" - everyone
20:02:11 <monqy> ion: do you want to be sinre
20:02:23 <ion> monqy: Mr. everyone’s free to contribute a patch to fix Crawl.
20:02:24 <elliott> ion: nobody will ever play your replays on tv!!
20:02:32 <ion> Good, they suck anyway.
20:02:41 <elliott> yeah because you suck (because you use a big terminal)
20:02:47 * oerjan notes that abian has been dead since 1999, and feels old for remembering him.
20:03:13 <elliott> i dont actually care about
20:03:15 <elliott> the replay thing btw
20:03:19 <elliott> i just think its wronge
20:04:15 <monqy> do you use underlines for unaware or something?
20:04:18 <monqy> that's weird man
20:05:13 <elliott> oh i thought it was just a stack of hounds
20:07:48 <elliott> monqy: oh yeah felids are fast right
20:07:53 <monqy> yeah
20:07:56 <elliott> good
20:08:01 <monqy> are you felde
20:08:06 <elliott> winning feck of chei continues to be my ultimate goal
20:08:12 <monqy> chei will slow you
20:08:13 <monqy> down
20:08:17 <elliott> exactly
20:08:22 <elliott> that's why it's terrible
20:10:54 <elliott> "left tentacle"
20:11:20 <ais523> haha, the aptitude sudoku solver actually lead to improvements to aptitude
20:16:26 <nortti> elliott: how was your cp++ different from standard cp
20:16:41 <elliott> it had a ++ after it
20:17:44 <nortti> elliott: so it just copied files from place a to place b
20:18:06 <elliott> with a ++
20:18:24 <elliott> ion: phantoms are fun, aren't they?
20:18:41 <nortti> what the ++ did
20:19:54 <elliott> ++
20:20:08 <ion> Almost as fun as imps.
20:20:48 <elliott> monqy: who are we and why are we stalking him
20:20:57 <monqy> how should I know
20:20:58 <monqy> that's like
20:20:59 <monqy> deep
20:21:05 <elliott> oh i guess i should ask squarelos instead
20:21:15 <elliott> btw i originally thought "squarelos" was derived form "squirrel" somehow
20:21:16 <elliott> squirrelos
20:21:19 <ion> hah
20:21:21 <elliott> before i learned what it
20:21:22 <elliott> actually meant
20:21:40 <monqy> squirrelos is good
20:21:58 <elliott> it's where the los is in the shame of a squirrel's silhouette
20:22:06 <elliott> *shape
20:22:10 <elliott> also in the shame
20:26:02 <elliott> ion: What does that macro do?
20:26:13 <ion> Searches for corpses i can eat/offer to Trog.
20:26:18 <ion> In case i missed one
20:26:37 <ion> Ooh, this is an awesome entrance with the c.
20:26:58 <elliott> What c?
20:27:03 <ion> A centaur
20:27:08 <elliott> Oh, right.
20:27:17 <elliott> Distortion, eh?
20:27:23 <elliott> monqy must be proud of you.
20:27:42 <ion> I wonder whether to go through an escape hatch
20:28:04 <monqy> im not proud of disto unless you're wielding it
20:28:20 <elliott> Oh, he just has it quivered.
20:28:22 <elliott> That's weird.
20:28:24 <elliott> ion: Wield that bugger.
20:29:01 <elliott> ion: You'll die soon, might as well enjoy the remaining time!
20:29:05 <ion> heh
20:29:31 <elliott> Wait, can octopodes wield?
20:29:34 <ion> yeah
20:30:00 <elliott> Wait, what's the difference between an octopode and an octopus?
20:30:31 <ion>
20:30:41 <elliott> Well, okay.
20:30:44 <elliott> So you're a set of creatures?
20:33:09 <ion> If i say you’re a humanoid, are you a set of creatures?
20:34:18 <elliott> Yes.
20:34:31 <elliott> I just don't think "humanoid" is a very descriptive species name, that's all. :p
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20:39:51 <ais523> OK, so here's a puzzle for people: what is nocookie.net?
20:39:53 <wyldstallyns> a statue is a humanoid non-creature
20:40:10 <ais523> visiting it directly just gives a fake error message, and a bunch of analytics scripts that noscript blocks
20:40:41 <ais523> and it seems to be linked to wikia in some bizarre way, according to search results on the name
20:40:47 <elliott> doesn't necessarily look fake to me
20:40:52 <wyldstallyns> it's on the rbl blacklist
20:40:55 <elliott> i can imagine a webserver serving that page for a Host header line it isn't configured to serve
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20:43:59 <elliott> "You tentacle-slap it."
20:44:19 <monqy> yes
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20:57:27 <nortti> "Have you heard of the Internet , you colossal dinks? Little demons packing up electric O's and I's, and giving them to tiny robots to carry long tubes? (I think that's how it goes; I refused to buy the TCP/IP text during my undergrad.)"
20:58:22 <ais523> nortti: actually it's a big truck
20:58:34 <Phantom_Hoover> hello
20:58:34 <lambdabot> Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
20:58:36 <Phantom_Hoover> helliott
20:58:45 <nortti> That speech was hilarious
20:59:07 <Phantom_Hoover> I see that elliott has sent me a message regarding that lesser-known proto-esolang, FALSE.
20:59:20 <elliott> FSVO proto.
21:00:33 <Phantom_Hoover> It's proto like INTERCAL is, in that it was an esolang before anyone cared to classify esolangs as a thing
21:01:33 <Phantom_Hoover> Oh wait, it came out in the same year as the BFs?
21:01:51 <nortti> is P" also a proto-esolang
21:01:57 <Phantom_Hoover> I guess it's just one of the 3 founding esolangs, then.
21:02:01 <Phantom_Hoover> nortti, yes.
21:07:12 <TeruFSX> what's the third founder?
21:07:18 <elliott> nsqx
21:07:32 <elliott> ion: WHY AREN'T MY MESSAGES COMING THROUGH
21:07:39 <Phantom_Hoover> TeruFSX, FALSE, Brainfuck and Befunge,.
21:07:58 <elliott> More like BObjective FLOLCODE.
21:08:10 <TeruFSX> yeah, befunge
21:08:27 <TeruFSX> befunge always felt suprisingly sane to me
21:08:30 <ion> elliott: They are. :-P
21:08:37 <elliott> DON'T DROP THE HAT
21:08:42 <elliott> WEAR TEH HATE
21:08:56 <Phantom_Hoover> TeruFSX, yeah, but that's just because at the time 2D and stack-based were esoteric :P
21:09:20 <elliott> FALSE and Befunge are surprisingly usable, really.
21:09:28 <elliott> brainfuck was the first tarpit.
21:09:36 <elliott> *tarpit esolang, that is.
21:10:01 <elliott> Hmm.
21:10:02 <elliott> I guess maybe not.
21:10:07 <elliott> I wonder what Perlis was referring to by Turing tar-pit?
21:10:15 <elliott> i.e. what examples he had in mind. It was the 80s, after all.
21:10:25 <elliott> Maybe I'll ask— oh, he's dead.
21:12:02 <TeruFSX> assembler would be one
21:12:30 <TeruFSX> a language so universal and powerful it can't really be used?
21:12:33 <elliott> Assembly language is... not a Turing tarpit.
21:12:39 <TeruFSX> it's not a turing tarpit
21:12:43 <elliott> For a start, most architectures aren't Turing complete.
21:12:48 <TeruFSX> but maybe that's what Perlis was getting at
21:12:59 <elliott> Hmm.
21:13:09 <elliott> I suppose so, but if so it's a rather different meaning than is now generally used.
21:13:14 <elliott> I guess it's unlikely he knew about P''.
21:13:23 <elliott> But Turing machines were certainly around in the 80s. :p
21:13:33 <TeruFSX> is there any references to a Turing tar-pit before then?
21:13:41 <TeruFSX> the word was coined from that quote, I though
21:13:44 <TeruFSX> *term
21:14:01 <elliott> Yeah, it did.
21:14:04 <elliott> *was.
21:15:22 <Phantom_Hoover> <elliott> I wonder what Perlis was referring to by Turing tar-pit?
21:15:22 <Phantom_Hoover> <elliott> i.e. what examples he had in mind. It was the 80s, after all.
21:15:22 <Phantom_Hoover> <elliott> Maybe I'll ask oh, he's dead.
21:15:36 <elliott> You mangled my em dash.
21:15:38 <Phantom_Hoover> ISTR that it was in reference to some trends in computer science in the 60s.
21:16:10 <Phantom_Hoover> Where everyone thought that the key to understanding computation was getting the simplest systems of a given computational class.
21:16:17 <kmc> the early days of theoretical CS were a golden age for esolang design
21:16:27 <kmc> design an esolang, prove it's Turing complete, collect PhD
21:16:28 <Phantom_Hoover> Thus resulting in extremely compact but obtuse systems, i.e. Turing tarpits.
21:16:54 <Phantom_Hoover> Their esolangs are all boring though.
21:16:58 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Then Wolfram revived that school of thought!
21:17:07 <kmc> :3
21:17:15 <pikhq> And declared himself a New Kind of Scientist.
21:17:18 <Phantom_Hoover> Well, put it into a medically-induced coma, perhaps.
21:17:22 <elliott> Aided by one Alex Smith.
21:17:33 <elliott> The 523rd Alex Smith to ever exist, and the most: EVIL.
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21:22:06 <ion> Re: Crawl, https://github.com/ion1/crawl-config/compare/master-base...master
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21:52:22 <elliott> ais523: can you dig esolangs.org?
21:53:47 <ais523> esolangs.org.86400INA178.79.159.81
21:54:19 <elliott> ion: You died?
21:54:25 <elliott> ais523: What nameserver does it use?
21:54:26 <monqy> looks like it
21:54:35 <elliott> Someone TV ion's death.
21:54:55 <ais523> elliott: 4.2.2.1, I think
21:55:03 <elliott> ais523: not what i meant :)
21:55:07 <ais523> oh, esolangs.org? there isn't an authority section
21:55:18 <ion> elliott: YASD.
21:55:33 <kmc> can you dig it man
21:55:37 <elliott> ais523: I suspect you're just not giving dig the right options to see it
21:55:39 <elliott> ion: What was it to?
21:55:47 <ais523> elliott: it normally shows it by default
21:55:53 <ais523> in fact, there's a specific "authority: 0"
21:55:58 <elliott> Odd.
21:56:00 <ais523> so I guess it's a cached value from nowhere in paritcular
21:56:11 <ion> elliott: cccc and not reading a scroll of teleportation quickly enough.
21:56:45 <ion> elliott: Where was the TV again? I thought termcast.org, but i don’t see anything that looks like a Crawl session.
21:57:07 <elliott> termcast.develz.org.
21:57:31 <elliott> Actually, if it's on TV then everyone will see all my stupid banter.
21:57:36 <elliott> I guess we'll just never know.
22:02:12 <elliott> ion: Hey, I want to play Crawl.
22:02:22 <ion> Don’t do iiitt!
22:02:26 <elliott> Should I go for DsAK, GhMo, or SpAs?
22:02:42 <ion> DSAK
22:02:43 <monqy> "whatever you feel like"
22:03:09 <elliott> monqy: I asked ion, not you. :(
22:03:12 <elliott> ion: Aww, really?
22:03:20 <ion> I’ll donate some urine, get some snacks and then watch.
22:03:38 <elliott> Okay, what if not DsAK?
22:03:46 <ion> elliott: Do whatever you want. I’ve been meaning to try DS at some point, too. :-P
22:03:49 <elliott> (I got annoyed with DsAK because I hate Crawl's hunger mechanism.)
22:04:01 <ion> Hmm. Is Ds ≠ DS?
22:04:07 <elliott> Ds = DS, I think.
22:04:09 <monqy> Ds is DS after the change
22:04:11 <elliott> I'm not sure which abbreviation is canonical.
22:04:19 <ion> monqy: Oh.
22:04:20 <monqy> it used to be DS then it got changed to Ds
22:04:21 <elliott> But it's "Demonspawn".
22:04:22 <ion> ok
22:04:28 <monqy> elliott: that's why it was changed
22:04:50 <elliott> I'll play a few games of SpAs first, since I die quickly that way.
22:05:03 <ion> SpEn is nice.
22:05:36 <elliott> Okay, here goes.
22:06:01 <monqy> is spen any good for diving?
22:07:17 <elliott> I have my own monster fan club already.
22:08:27 <elliott> That was lucky.
22:10:20 <ion> monqy: Almost certainly not. OTOH, i’d suck at diving with any character.
22:10:32 <elliott> Yay. :(
22:11:01 <elliott> Nice, manage to escape Grinder then die to a scorpion.
22:11:10 <monqy> you shouldn't have meleed it
22:11:15 <elliott> Yeah.
22:11:23 <elliott> If I ran away I'd probably have run into ol' Grinder again, though.
22:11:26 <elliott> Well, let's try that again.
22:11:30 <monqy> you could have blowguned it
22:11:35 <monqy> scorps are weak to poison
22:11:43 <elliott> How ironic.
22:12:24 <elliott> Aww.
22:12:30 <elliott> Once more and then I'll play something less silly.
22:12:43 <ion> Good idea: fight Sigmund at XL 1.
22:12:49 <elliott> He was sleeping!
22:13:18 <ion> And you still had stabbing at whatever it starts at. :-P
22:14:27 <elliott> Where is that bloody downstairs...
22:15:19 <elliott> FINALLY
22:17:02 <elliott> welp
22:17:16 <elliott> lol
22:17:23 <ion> nice
22:17:35 <Phantom_Hoover> So yesterday Bethesda posted on their Twitter that they'd release information about the upcoming DLC today.
22:18:12 <Phantom_Hoover> Today they posted on their blog the title of the DLC, a generic poster and that they'd give more details at E3.
22:19:37 <elliott> Isn't Xom great?
22:20:25 <elliott> lol
22:20:50 <ion> heh
22:21:32 <elliott> xom...
22:22:06 <elliott> Well, that was fun.
22:22:52 <ion> You stopped already? :-(
22:23:35 <elliott> Only SpAs.
22:23:45 <elliott> I'm deciding DsAK vs. GhMo for my non-silly game.
22:24:16 <elliott> Oops.
22:24:30 <elliott> monqy: Is Spriggan Preist terrible? I just accidentally selected it :D
22:24:46 <ion> probably
22:25:07 <elliott> Okay, let's try this.
22:27:04 <elliott> Well, that's unhelpful.
22:28:40 <elliott> *Five* altars of Xom?
22:29:08 <ion> To be able to handle a flood of new followers.
22:31:29 <elliott> Is Terence scary? I forget.
22:31:41 <ion> Not too scary IIRC
22:32:12 <elliott> Indeed.
22:34:01 <elliott> monqy: Does sustenance do anything to ghouls?
22:34:12 <ion> See if d, drops it.
22:34:55 <elliott> Hmm, what does d, do?
22:34:57 <elliott> Drop useless stuff?
22:35:03 <ion> yeah
22:35:05 <elliott> Unfortunately I like my scrolls of random uselessness.
22:36:03 <elliott> How fast are giant newts?
22:36:36 <ion> Normal IIRC
22:37:06 <monqy> yeah normal
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22:38:31 <elliott> Oh joy.
22:38:56 <elliott> Eeeeh.
22:38:56 <ion> Hmm. Can you find the temple with ^Fecumenical? In any case, ^G will show if you’ve seen the entrance.
22:39:17 <elliott> ion: Yes, ^Fecumenical works, because it's the "entrance to the Ecumenical Temple".
22:39:35 <ion> Yeah, i was wondering whether ^F sees such things or now.
22:39:37 <ion> t
22:41:33 <ion> Este amuleto protege a su portador de algunas formas de confusión mental, incluyendo la furia involuntaria.
22:41:43 <ion> You should play crawl in some language you don’t know.
22:42:21 <ion> book of beasts
22:42:23 <ion> Un libro con hechizos mágicos. ¡Ten cuidado, no vaya a ser que te muerda!
22:42:38 <ion> La peau d'un animal.
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23:01:37 <elliott> Hi, Guest90172.
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23:01:59 <TeruFSX> jeez, split hit a lot of people here too
23:02:22 <elliott> monqy: What's warding? Henzell isn't working for me.
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23:02:46 * elliott wonders how you're meant to reach that pet rock store.
23:02:47 <monqy> warding makes melee attacks from summoned stuff fail sometimes, and also gives you rN+ unless that changed
23:02:59 <elliott> Well that sounds useless.
23:03:04 <elliott> Oh, wait.
23:03:07 <elliott> From other people's summoned stuff.
23:03:11 <elliott> Okay, that sounds less useless.
23:03:19 <monqy> pet rocks?
23:03:24 <elliott> Yes.
23:03:27 <elliott> Pet rocks.
23:03:28 <monqy> oh
23:03:34 <monqy> I think you were supposed to use the boring beetle
23:03:41 <monqy> to get through the walls
23:03:44 <monqy> or you could dig
23:03:46 <monqy> or something
23:04:07 <elliott> They give you a dangerous monster just to let you get into their pet rock store?
23:04:27 <ion> You could hit the wall really hard.
23:09:21 <elliott> Back.
23:09:52 <elliott> Nice.
23:10:02 <elliott> Nicer.
23:10:09 <elliott> :(
23:11:03 <elliott> ion: You should, like, fish me out of this mess.
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23:13:13 <elliott> OH THANKS ION & MONQY
23:15:08 <elliott> monqy: :'(
23:15:12 * ion watches
23:15:32 <ion> Convince the jelly, the frog and the orc to join your side.
23:15:44 <monqy> oh,
23:15:45 <monqy> a mess
23:15:50 <monqy> what do you have
23:15:59 <elliott> Not much.
23:16:03 <monqy> mmmmmmmm-hm
23:16:08 <elliott> I wanted to id those potions but: no scrolls.
23:16:08 <monqy> lots of unidentified stuff I see
23:16:22 <elliott> And that's kind of useless with the failure rate.
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23:16:44 <monqy> quaffid is less dangerous on ghouls than most races since potions of mutation don't really hurt you
23:16:55 <monqy> nor do potions of decay
23:16:56 <monqy> ,etc
23:17:06 <monqy> and wasting cure mut is a non concern
23:17:26 <monqy> (since you don;'t get muts)
23:17:40 <elliott> Yes, but.
23:17:58 <ion> What potions have you not identified yet?
23:18:01 <elliott> There's four potions with 2; at most two are going to be what I want.
23:18:10 <elliott> ion: I forget how to tell.
23:18:13 <ion> \
23:18:27 <elliott> All of them. :p
23:18:33 <ion> Toggle with -
23:18:42 <elliott> Why?
23:18:45 <elliott> I don't recognise any potions.
23:18:47 <elliott> So that would just list every potion.
23:18:55 <ion> ah, ok
23:20:03 <elliott> Hey, what luck.
23:20:08 <elliott> monqy: Oh, and I'm on a downstairs.
23:20:14 <elliott> I lured these guys upstairs. It wasn't my proudest moment.
23:20:19 <monqy> oh
23:20:25 <monqy> yyeah
23:20:31 <elliott> What's downstairs is more orcs, mostly.
23:20:46 <monqy> kill the jelly
23:20:54 <elliott> What, with 28 HP?
23:21:03 <monqy> what else can you do
23:21:04 <elliott> I went down from 50-something HP to like 10 in one turn.
23:21:06 <monqy> the jelly is almost dead
23:21:08 <elliott> I have another potion of curing.
23:21:12 <monqy> was that from ascending the stairs
23:21:16 <elliott> Yes.
23:21:17 <monqy> (stair ascent takes a long time)
23:21:19 <elliott> Oh.
23:21:22 <monqy> and you can't dodge
23:21:27 <monqy> ok
23:21:31 <monqy> are you weak
23:21:45 <elliott> Depends what you mean by weak
23:21:45 <monqy> i dont know this character
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23:22:31 <elliott> That was a sincere question.
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23:24:17 <elliott> monqy: :(
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23:25:51 <monqy> ooops
23:25:52 <monqy> uh
23:25:53 <monqy> uh
23:26:04 <elliott> Nothing happened since last time, dude.
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23:26:11 <monqy> squishy and low damage output
23:26:15 <monqy> you seem both
23:26:24 <monqy> if you took all that damamge and couldn't kill the jello
23:26:45 <monqy> but maybe you just got unlucky or i underestimated the orc or something
23:26:46 <elliott> "im not too bad at unarmed combat i guess"
23:26:52 <elliott> im ok on the armour front
23:27:36 <monqy> you don';t look okay
23:27:43 <monqy> 8 ac or what-have-you isn't very much
23:27:54 <elliott> welp
23:28:18 <elliott> time to die again
23:32:13 <elliott> awesome
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23:33:05 <elliott> hey, fire resistance
23:33:19 <elliott> i'm inevitably going to die quickly so i don't get the chance to benefit from all this loot
23:33:25 <elliott> case in point
23:33:49 <elliott> heh
23:33:56 <elliott> I didn't expect it to follow me to the stairs. :(
23:36:41 <elliott> Time for another depressing march into inevitable doom.
23:36:42 <elliott> *to
23:36:45 <elliott> *towards
23:36:51 <ion> Elliott's ghost (average Spriggan Assassin) comes into view.
23:37:17 <elliott> Nice.
23:37:22 <elliott> Why are you Trog?
23:37:40 <ion> For bersercques and the starting stats.
23:38:10 <elliott> Guess who just died!
23:39:16 <kmc> doooooooooooom
23:39:37 <elliott> kmc: You should watch me play Crawl. It's a balst.
23:39:48 <elliott> Also a blast. But mostly a balst.
23:40:00 <ion> A balst indeed.
23:40:07 <kmc> a ballast
23:40:19 <elliott> An active ballistomycete.
23:40:33 <elliott> Yes, I admit, I googled the full name.
23:41:02 <elliott> I forget if rCorr is worthwhile.
23:43:15 <ion> G - a ring of the Octopus King (left hand) {tried, AC+1 EV+1 Str+1 Dex+1 Int+1}
23:43:28 <ion> elliott: It is if you ever melée jellies. :-)
23:43:37 <elliott> All the time.
23:44:00 <elliott> Guess who has teleportitis!
23:44:06 <ion> yay
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23:44:46 <shachaf> elliott: Did you eat a leprechaun/nymph/tengu corpse?!
23:44:50 <elliott> No.
23:47:24 <elliott> Not a scroll of teleportation!!!! NOOOO
23:47:28 <elliott> I might... TELEPORT
23:47:44 <ion> Has the potion of heal wounds been nerfed in the last six months?
23:48:10 <elliott> Ask monqy; I only started playing 10 days ago.
23:49:48 <kmc> is that like summoning sickness
23:50:04 <elliott> kmc: What, teleportitis?
23:50:13 <elliott> Teleportitis is where you teleport randomly every now and then.
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23:51:05 <shachaf> kmc: You should play NetHack! (You shouldn't play NetHack.)
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23:56:08 <elliott> ion: Help, I've had teleportitis for like a billion turns now. :(
23:56:33 <shachaf> > how many turns is a billion
23:56:42 <shachaf> "rip lambdabot"
23:56:55 <ion> elliott: Get a potion of cure mutation!
23:57:08 <shachaf> cutation
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23:57:13 <ion> that.
23:57:16 <elliott> ion: Not mutation.
23:57:17 <elliott> Cursed ring.
23:57:25 <shachaf> Get a potion of cure cursed ring!
23:57:25 <ion> Get a scroll of remove curse.
23:57:31 <elliott> ion: I've tried.
23:57:32 <shachaf> cursed ring
23:57:34 <elliott> I've id'd about 5 scrolls.
23:57:36 <elliott> None of them are remove curse. :(
23:58:18 <ion> An iguana, a hippogriff, a giant frog, a jelly, an orc warrior and 2 small zombies come into view.
23:58:39 <ion> k A manticore and a hill giant come into view.
23:59:41 <elliott> ion: Nice.
2012-05-02
00:01:54 <elliott> monqy: Is an ancient robe worth trying on?
00:02:31 <shachaf> elliott: How ancient?
00:02:36 <ion> For a heavy armor guy, i’d try it out of curiosity (have a scroll of remove curse or read detect curse first). For a robe guy, definitely.
00:02:44 <shachaf> You might want to wash it first.
00:03:15 <ion> shachaf: elliott likes other people’s clothes unwashed.
00:03:30 <elliott> You finish putting on the cursed -1 robe of Folly {-Cast Int-5 Curse}.
00:03:30 <elliott> You feel stupid.
00:03:30 <elliott> Oops, that feels deathly cold.
00:03:35 <ion> :-)
00:03:49 <elliott> This will go well with my cursed ring of teleportation.
00:04:02 <ion> Remember what i said about having a scroll of remove curse?
00:04:04 <shachaf> elliott: id yoha ve emove curse?
00:04:08 -!- elliott has left.
00:04:25 <shachaf> I think elliott is trying to teach me not to do that.
00:05:03 <ion> You could ssh to the crawl server and ask him that in game.
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00:05:33 <shachaf> He doesn't answer my Cruestions.
00:05:36 <shachaf> hi elliott
00:05:38 <elliott> ion: Take a glance at my game.
00:05:39 <ion> helliott
00:05:50 <ion> elliott: nice
00:06:03 <shachaf> Are you fighting Pistachio?
00:06:22 <shachaf> YAY YOU WON!
00:06:27 <shachaf> That was a tough nut to crack, eh?
00:07:03 <shachaf> I guess you had to draw him out of his shell first.
00:07:41 <shachaf> (not good at pistachio puns, please send help)
00:07:57 <elliott> 01:07 <Henzell> eustachio[3/3]: Beware his glorious mustache! Not to be confused with pistachio.
00:08:16 <shachaf> good pun
00:16:07 <kmc> it occurs that https://github.com/kmcallister/qoppa is kind of an esolang and so i should mention it here
00:20:51 <elliott> Thank you for your minimal contribution to the channel!
00:21:11 <elliott> Oh, we have another new member of the wiki who doesn't know how to use preview.
00:21:25 <elliott> And they made a brainfuck derivative.
00:21:27 <ion> It occurs that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_language is kind of an esolang and so i should mention it here
00:21:45 <elliott> "The language utilizes cellular automation" It... does?
00:22:08 <elliott> "The language utilizes a cellular automation. The automation evolves in a data structure known as the Nevermore, hence, the language's name. The structure is a bit array of length 8 with an initial value set to 0 [0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0]."
00:22:10 <elliott> I think we're being trolled.
00:22:23 <shachaf> ion: [[Finnish language]] is too eso for my taste. :-(
00:23:55 <elliott> If anyone wants to go on a ride, start at http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Nevermore&diff=next&oldid=32178 and keep hitting "newer edit".
00:26:17 <elliott> kmc: You realise Scheme has functions to support alist munging ,right?
00:26:25 <elliott> bind could be a lot simpler (although you'd need to change (var binding) to (var . binding)).
00:27:00 <elliott> Oh, hmm.
00:34:54 <ion> elliott: I entered the Lair, but i think i’ll stop for now.
00:35:02 <elliott> More like Liar.
00:35:15 <kmc> i did not realize that
00:35:16 <ion> Lawyer
00:35:20 <kmc> which functions?
00:35:31 <elliott> *munging, right?
00:35:33 <elliott> kmc: I'm not sure which one I was thinking of looking at bind.
00:35:39 <elliott> kmc: But it definitely has an insert-into-alist function.
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00:37:42 <ion> It is a [[brainfuck]] derivative designed to be as difficult and obscure to program in.
00:37:46 <ion> You accidentally the comparison.
00:46:34 <ion> <…> so given that this is math 12, does it need to be conanical form?
00:46:36 <ion> <ion> O’Brien?
00:50:21 <shachaf> ion: That's a fancy '\'' you've got there.
00:50:35 <ion> '’'
00:50:45 <shachaf> Nonsense. We speak ASCII in here.
00:50:57 <shachaf> O'Brien was clearly the best person in _1984_. He knew what was up.
00:51:45 <elliott> kmc: "So apply takes the uglier approach of quoting each argument to prevent double-evaluation."
00:51:46 <ion> Given that this is #esoteric, shouldn’t we speak something like EBCDIC here?
00:51:52 <elliott> kmc: FWIW, I think the solution to this is to simply drop apply.
00:52:02 <elliott> It's not a very meaningful operation on operatives.
00:52:55 <elliott> Oh, by the way, if anyone wants to read ais523's post on the Planar NetHack AI with the pictures, it's up at http://esolangs.org/planar/.
00:53:04 <elliott> Long-term validity of URL not guaranteed.
00:53:33 <elliott> @time monqy
00:53:35 <lambdabot> Local time for monqy is Tue May 1 17:53:34 2012
00:53:35 <kmc> elliott: well, can you get rid of 'apply' in the interpreter?
00:53:37 <elliott> @tonqy
00:53:37 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
00:53:38 <kmc> without nastiness?
00:53:46 <elliott> kmc: Probably. I'd have to see where it's used. Was that in the post?
00:53:51 <kmc> i agree it's not meaningful on operatives; my 'apply' will produce nonsense if you use it on a not-applicative
00:53:54 <kmc> yes
00:54:03 <elliott> If you're going for Scheme polyglotting, then yes, you'll need something silly like that.
00:54:10 <elliott> That's because Scheme doesn't use operatives :P
00:55:43 <kmc> i don't know if it quite counts as polyglot
00:55:50 <kmc> but yeah, that's almost the whole point of the article
00:56:06 <pikhq> Huh. Early OS X development releases were actually for the IBM PC.
00:56:18 * elliott would just write a metacircular evaluator and a separate Scheme interpreter.
00:56:21 <elliott> But that's no fun, I know.
00:56:45 <elliott> pikhq: This thing? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/IBM_PC_5150.jpg
00:57:23 <pikhq> elliott: No, the later 32-bit IBM compatibles. Obviously.
00:57:59 <pikhq> But there's no other damned way of referring to that hacked-up arch.
00:59:02 <elliott> The edits just keep coming in.
01:02:31 <Madoka-Kaname> ^ul (:(1)*(:(2)*(:(3)*(:(4)*(:(5)*(:(6)*(:(7)*(:(8)*(:(9)*(!~:^)))))))))):(:)!(~^~(~a~*~a~*)~a*^:(0)*)~a*~:(a(:^)*())~*a(:^)*~()~(0)((!^~)())(:)!((:(~:(,)*S~^!^)~a*^:^~!a~^*a*)~a*^:^):^
01:02:32 <fungot> 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597, ...out of time!
01:02:57 <Madoka-Kaname> ^ul (:(1)*(:(2)*(:(3)*(:(4)*(:(5)*(:(6)*(:(7)*(:(8)*(:(9)*(!~:^)))))))))):(~^~(~a~*~a~*)~a*^:(0)*)~a*~:(a(:^)*())~*a(:^)*~()~(0)((!^~)())((:(~:(,)*S~^!^)~a*^:^~!a~^*a*)~a*^:^):^
01:02:58 <fungot> 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597, ...out of time!
01:04:03 <kmc> elliott: well the claim is that you can start with a tiny fexpr language and produce something with enough syntax to be usable for 'real programming'
01:04:12 <elliott> Right.
01:04:18 <kmc> (ignoring the LOLPARENTHESES crowd)
01:04:21 <elliott> You don't necessarily need to make your interpreter valid Scheme for that, though.
01:04:27 <kmc> it makes the claim stronger, though
01:04:32 <elliott> Fair enough.
01:04:50 * elliott wasn't dissing the article, just saying I'd drop apply were I making my own operative-based language.
01:04:55 <kmc> sure
01:05:00 <kmc> i didn't think you were dissing the article :)
01:05:21 <kmc> if i were making my own operative-based language i might suck it up and have primitive wrap/unwrap like Kernel
01:05:45 <kmc> but for the demonstration, that gets in the way of "omg eval is only three lines"
01:06:02 <elliott> I don't like wrap/unwrap at all. I'd rather build the evaluation logic into lambda.
01:06:59 <Sgeo> Hmm
01:07:10 <Sgeo> Lazy Newb Pack comes with alternate keybindings
01:07:20 <monqy> eh?
01:07:26 <Sgeo> And other stuff that seems like it would be useful on more than just Windows
01:07:32 <Sgeo> monqy, for Dwarf Fortress
01:07:41 <monqy> oh
01:13:28 <elliott> just
01:13:28 <elliott> play
01:13:29 <elliott> stock
01:13:30 <elliott> df
01:13:32 <elliott> it's easy
01:13:41 <elliott> hello monqy
01:13:59 <elliott> Sgeo: ok by stock i mean "stock with dwarf therapist" but that's it
01:14:00 <Sgeo> elliott, I'll be fine with the guide on the wiki, right?
01:14:07 <elliott> yes, the wiki guide is good
01:14:21 <elliott> (and you won't need dwarf therapist until you get a bunch of dwarfs and need to futz about with micromanaging the labours)
01:14:44 <Sgeo> I don't wanna micromanage labour
01:14:48 <elliott> tough
01:14:58 <elliott> ("labour" is a technical term here)
01:15:07 <Sgeo> I know what it means
01:18:24 <Sgeo> Ugh
01:18:28 <Sgeo> Need to fix the sound
01:19:10 <kmc> your dwarfs are unionizing?
01:19:21 <elliott> Sgeo: you uh
01:19:32 <elliott> could just play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6FXeupOp04 in the background
01:19:34 <elliott> since that's the only sound
01:20:17 <Sgeo> elliott, YouTube is crap for me
01:20:46 <elliott> Sgeo: the mp3 or ogg or whatever file is in the game directory somewhere :P
01:20:47 <elliott> in data/ I think
01:20:59 <Sgeo> Hmm, that's fine
01:21:12 <Lumpio-> Wait, that music was actually in the game?
01:21:33 <elliott> Lumpio-: That's what plays constantly in a loop throughout a game of Dwarf Fortress in Fortress mode, yes.
01:21:45 <Lumpio-> :V
01:22:06 <elliott> Are you implying you haven't played DF? :(
01:22:11 <Sgeo> Argh, what settings do I use to make DF be decently large?
01:22:21 <Sgeo> I know I've done it before
01:22:21 <elliott> Sgeo: You press the maximise button.
01:22:40 <elliott> If you mean font size, you probably don't want that any bigger, or it'll be difficult to see enough at once.
01:22:46 <Lumpio-> Me?
01:22:48 <Sgeo> I changed the WINDOWEDX and WINDOWEDY and curses thing
01:22:57 <elliott> Lumpio-: Yes.
01:23:04 <elliott> Sgeo: What's wrong with maximise?
01:23:10 <Lumpio-> I watched somebody play it on youtube
01:23:28 <Sgeo> elliott, that I've done it before without maximize and maximize means harder to chat at the same time
01:23:30 <Lumpio-> Too much micromanagement.
01:23:40 <elliott> Lumpio-: It's not really as micromanagey as it looks.
01:23:44 <Sgeo> Also, I don't like smiley faces
01:23:47 <elliott> Some people play it like that but they're boring.
01:23:52 <Sgeo> Little smiley faces
01:23:57 <Sgeo> I like beards
01:23:58 <Lumpio-> Also the whole "view one horizontal level of the world at once" thing looks confusing as hell.
01:24:03 <elliott> Sgeo: You'll end up maximising it anyway. And they come as beards by default.
01:24:07 <Lumpio-> It would benefit from modern 3D graphics, at least above ground
01:24:14 <elliott> Lumpio-: Oh please.
01:24:15 <Lumpio-> But I bet they're too lazy to implement that.
01:24:17 <elliott> They say that about roguelikes.
01:24:32 <monqy> tbf df is uglier than roguelikes
01:24:35 <Sgeo> elliott, no they don't
01:24:36 <elliott> It's a deliberate design decision; Slaves to Armok: God of Blood (the game to which DF is a sequel) was 3D.
01:25:00 <elliott> Sgeo: Yes, they do.
01:25:09 <elliott> Sgeo: If they don't, you've configured something brokenly.
01:25:19 <elliott> Are you running it with terminal output or something?
01:25:27 <Sgeo> elliott, I am not
01:25:56 <Sgeo> And it was the same when I installed via Lazy Newb Pack on a school computer with no graphics set
01:26:12 <elliott> Well, the default smilies do have beards. Admittedly it looks kinda like ":D" if you don't know they're beards.
01:26:15 <Sgeo> And it was the same when I played DF a long time ago and changed a configuration option to fix it
01:26:28 <Sgeo> ...oh
01:26:49 <elliott> Hmm, wait, that's how it looks in CP 437 too. Well, whatever, for the purposes of DF they're beards.
01:26:52 <ais523> hmm, anyone, perhaps Gregor, know of any good free MIDI desynthesizers?
01:26:57 <Sgeo> I should make the water levels show up
01:27:01 <ais523> as in, you put a .ogg or whatever in and get a .mid out
01:27:09 <ais523> there's one in the repositories here but it doesn't actually work
01:27:11 <elliott> ais523: cat /dev/urandom
01:27:18 <ais523> elliott: that's pretty unlikely to work
01:27:23 <elliott> It'll work as well as anything else.
01:27:25 <elliott> Have you seen recent changes?
01:27:35 <ais523> no, should I?
01:27:46 <elliott> Well, uh.
01:27:47 <elliott> Sure.
01:27:48 <ais523> and this should not be a massively hard problem, I've been considering writing one myself if there aren't any
01:28:04 <elliott> I recommend viewing them all in order for the best experience.
01:28:25 <elliott> (You have to set ?limit=100 to see all of them.)
01:28:41 <ais523> ah, OK
01:28:47 <ais523> someone should tell them about the preview button
01:28:55 <ais523> my RSS feed bunched them into 7 changes
01:29:06 <ais523> the really hilarious thing is, I don't think they removed the BF instructions yet
01:29:30 <ais523> I guess I could just look at the page to make sure
01:29:36 <ais523> also, that language reminds me weirdly of Malbolge
01:30:10 <elliott> ais523: it's best to view the changes in order
01:30:15 <elliott> because it becomes about
01:30:18 <elliott> 4 different languages
01:30:22 <elliott> in order
01:30:29 <ais523> I can't tell at a glance whether it's harder or easier than Malbolge to program in, that's probably a good thing
01:30:30 <elliott> and ends up in weird half-way states along the way
01:30:36 <elliott> also, you know who gets to tell them about the preview button? :)
01:33:00 <ais523> me, I guess
01:33:04 <ais523> <Slashdot> Xamarin has just announced that they got the Java part of Android ported to C# via machine translation.
01:33:10 <ais523> oh boy, the comments on that one are going to be great
01:33:26 <ais523> (it puts five different fanboy/troll factions in conflict)
01:33:54 <elliott> ais523: hey, what would happen if I pointed TAEB at a Crawl server?
01:34:13 <Sgeo> elliott, anything wrong with curses square?
01:34:24 <ais523> elliott: it /might/ manage to start a game, but it would error out as soon as the game started due to not being able to parse its stats
01:34:28 <elliott> Sgeo: square fonts are bad
01:34:32 <elliott> make text difficult to read
01:34:34 <Sgeo> Ah
01:34:35 <ais523> and even then, you'd need to put the class/race in the RC file
01:34:52 <ais523> oh, hmm, that wouldn't work either, it'd just replace it with a NetHack RC file, which would cause Crawl to spew warnings
01:34:53 <elliott> ais523: can't I just make it assume things about the stats if it can't parse them? :)
01:34:57 <ais523> elliott: in short, go for it, it'll be hilarious
01:35:00 <ais523> and no, that's not how TAEB works
01:35:14 <ais523> I was working on my own Crawl bot using TAEB technologies, but didn't get very far
01:35:27 <ais523> due to problems trying to parse things like items; it was surprisingly hard to get it to chop and eat corpses
01:35:42 <elliott> how hard is it to get TAEB running?
01:35:55 <elliott> I'm a bit scared about all the dependencies, given that it's a bit bitrotten by now
01:36:16 <ais523> we fix the dependency bitrot every several months
01:36:29 <ais523> so the bitrot is rarely all that bad
01:36:38 <elliott> then why is the last repo commit a year old?
01:36:47 <ais523> last time we tried, it wouldn't run on my machine but would on other people's
01:36:53 <ais523> and wrong repo, I guess, are you taking it from my repo?
01:37:06 <elliott> link?
01:37:14 <ais523> https://gitorious.org/taeb/ais523
01:37:14 <elliott> (also, how long does it take to install all the deps?)
01:37:35 <ais523> maybe 20 minutes to half an hour, faster than that if you aren't on a netbok
01:37:37 <ais523> *netbook
01:37:53 <elliott> any known OS X–related problems?
01:37:56 <ais523> hmm, I should really put the dependency list in the repo
01:38:03 <ais523> elliott: it hasn't been tested on OS X for several years
01:38:08 <elliott> great
01:38:24 <elliott> which of Planar and whatever the default AI is called are most likely to fail less :)
01:38:27 <elliott> or fail more entertainingly
01:39:27 <ais523> you should try to get Demo working first before doing anything else
01:39:39 <ais523> but TAEB won't reach the point the AI is called anyway, if you run it on a Crawl server
01:39:58 <elliott> bah, the time vs. fun assessment is rapidly going in the wrong direction :)
01:40:15 <elliott> you should write a nethack bot that can cope with absolutely any screen it gets
01:40:38 <ais523> the /correct/ behaviour upon encountering a screen never generated by NetHack is calling a human for help
01:41:05 <elliott> no, it's marching on cluelessly
01:41:12 <ion> elliott, ais523: Ooh, the NetHack AI is cool.
01:41:25 <elliott> ion: referring to the post I linked?
01:41:31 <ion> yes
01:41:32 <ais523> ion: "the" is possibly a bad article; there are two major frameworks and three major AIs
01:41:55 <ion> http://esolangs.org/planar/
01:41:57 <monqy> have any of them won
01:42:05 <ais523> ion: TAEB::AI::PLanar is mine
01:42:09 <ais523> monqy: none of them have got near
01:42:17 <ion> I’d love to see a video capture of that in action.
01:42:26 <elliott> ion: NAO has ttyrecs
01:42:31 <ais523> autorobin's got much further in Crawl than any of the NetHack AIs have in NetHack
01:42:35 <elliott> you could probably request one for one of the TVs
01:42:39 <monqy> yikes
01:42:50 <ais523> monqy: the reason is that Crawl is a much more straightforward game than NetHack
01:42:55 <ais523> it's a lot more about not typoing than about actual thought
01:42:58 <elliott> NetHack has a lot more special cases than Crawl
01:42:59 <ais523> so it suits bots quite well
01:43:12 <elliott> and the kinds of spoilers it has are the kinds that bots can't learn, IMO
01:43:14 <ais523> also, Crawl has felids, and Trog
01:43:22 <monqy> ais523: is nethack about actual thought
01:43:26 <elliott> no
01:43:32 <elliott> it's about looking up spoilers
01:43:38 <ais523> FeBe is a really really good combo for bots, because it's balanced and yet incapable of using most items and all spells
01:43:41 <elliott> Crawl is about looking up monster stats
01:43:43 <ais523> monqy: it is sometimes, but only if you play badly
01:43:45 <monqy> are any roguelikes about actual thought :(
01:43:50 <elliott> rogue is about not dying
01:43:53 <ais523> monqy: Shiren?
01:44:02 <ais523> but it's commercial
01:44:02 <elliott> ADOM is about dying
01:44:17 <elliott> Dwarf Fortress is about dwarfs in a fortress
01:44:20 <elliott> robotfindskitten is about finding kitten
01:44:21 <ais523> elliott: ADOM is about crazy complicated triggers that have effects hundreds of thousands of turns later
01:44:40 <elliott> ADOM is about ancient domains of mystery
01:44:50 <ais523> Crawl needs monster spoilers or you die; ADOM needs plot spoilers or you find you've made the game effectively unwinnable a week later
01:44:55 <elliott> NetHack is about hacking the net
01:45:16 <ais523> no it isn't, that's Uplink
01:45:43 <ais523> hmm, so what I will do, is upgrade all relevant modules, just as I recently upgraded Perl
01:45:45 <ais523> then try to run TAEB
01:46:05 <ais523> and then bug #moose (or ##moose perhaps) for help, if I can't fix the obvious problems myself
01:46:08 <ais523> time for a bit derotting
01:46:18 <elliott> ais523: should I try and write a Crawl bot? (N.B. there's a fair chance that if I do this I'll never go back to playing Crawl normally, which I enjoy
01:46:25 <ais523> elliott: anyway, I just committed dependencies.sh
01:46:36 <ais523> I'd say get sick of Crawl first, /then/ write the bot
01:46:50 <elliott> that was my plan
01:46:54 <ais523> I'll even lend you Brute's source code if you like, so you can skip the fiddly parts like dgl login
01:47:06 <elliott> ais523: I was going to do the Lua script thing
01:47:09 <elliott> since Crawl already has scripting hooks
01:47:20 <ais523> oh, OK
01:47:22 <elliott> and then move to a standalone thing once it outgrows that
01:47:26 <ais523> they had to ban autorobin, eventually
01:47:31 <monqy> what
01:47:32 <elliott> ban howso?
01:47:36 <ais523> because it runs on the server, and it used 25% CPU
01:47:39 <ais523> elliott: kindly ask people to stop running it
01:47:45 <elliott> great definition of ban
01:47:57 <elliott> monqy: guess who's playing normal crawl
01:48:05 <monqy> ok
01:48:05 <ais523> elliott: elliptic?
01:48:06 <Sgeo> elliott, where is SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS?
01:48:11 <elliott> ais523: yes; also me
01:48:16 <elliott> Sgeo: dunno, but don't bother turning it on
01:48:41 <ais523> elliott: I don't know if elliptic's actually playing, it's a guess
01:48:49 <Sgeo> elliott, wait, what?
01:48:53 <monqy> elliptic isn't playing
01:48:54 <ais523> you implied that you were quite strongly, so it /wouldn't/ be a guess
01:49:07 <elliott> has ais523 seen me playing crawl
01:49:12 * ais523 logic
01:49:25 <elliott> oh boy, a cursed amulet that I don't know what it is is around my neck
01:49:32 <elliott> I'm sure it must be something really helpful
01:49:38 <monqy> why did you put it on
01:49:46 <elliott> i didn't know it was cursed
01:50:03 <monqy> amulets tend not to autoid
01:50:15 <elliott> you never know, it might be helping me
01:50:31 <monqy> and it probably woulnd'nt help you at this point eithr
01:50:35 <elliott> how much str for plate armour again
01:50:43 <monqy> 18
01:50:45 <elliott> thx
01:51:17 <elliott> lage
01:51:31 <elliott> maybe i should go light armour this time
01:52:19 <monqy> ok
01:52:25 <elliott> monqy: it was probably an amulet of get killed by terrence
01:52:34 <ais523> hmm, perhaps I should make another serious attempt to win Crawl, because I feel I can't insult it properly unless I've actually won it
01:52:42 <ais523> but I just know I'm going to end up hating it again
01:52:44 <ais523> more than usual, I mean
01:53:00 <elliott> I started playing so I could authoritatively dislike it
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01:53:11 <ais523> elliott: it takes a while
01:53:19 <monqy> see my hate is justified because i've won
01:53:19 <elliott> that's still the plan, it's just that the dislike is going to be less than my baseline level of dislike for roguelikes
01:53:21 <elliott> which wasn't what i was expecting
01:53:26 <elliott> (note: that still doesn't mean i'll like it)
01:53:44 <elliott> it irritates me less than nethack when i die at least
01:53:53 <ais523> hmm
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01:54:02 <ais523> it's the other way round for me, but possibly because I'm better at not dying in NetHack
01:54:15 <ais523> when I do die in NetHack, unless it's very early game it typically feels like my own fault, unlike in Crawl
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01:54:31 <elliott> well, 99.99% of all my roguelike deaths are YASDs
01:54:45 <elliott> but with nethack there's the spoiler element; with crawl it's my fault for blindly attacking $powerful_thing
01:54:52 <elliott> with nethack, it's "my fault" for not knowing $stupid_spoiler
01:54:56 <elliott> _that_would_have_saved_me
01:55:05 <ais523> elliott: this is why #nethack exists
01:55:15 <elliott> they're both death-by-not-reading-spoilers, but NetHack's are more annoying
01:55:28 <elliott> ais523: I want to play a roguelike, not IRC :)
01:56:27 <elliott> "You could also have learned any of this by viewing the in-game item description."
01:56:32 <elliott> monqy: help, henzell is bullying me
01:56:54 <monqy> oh no
01:57:56 <elliott> hmm
01:58:12 <shachaf> monqy: help
01:58:19 <monqy> hello
01:58:22 <shachaf> hi
01:58:25 <monqy> shachaf: what's the concern
01:58:45 <ais523> OK, you know what's annoying? when you see what seems like a meme in various places but it isn't on knowyourmeme.com and isn't turned up by a websearch on its name
01:59:07 <monqy> maybe it isn't a meme
01:59:17 <shachaf> You know what's annoying?
01:59:22 <ais523> monqy: indeed, but in that case the coincidence is still annoying, and you still have no idea what people were referring to
01:59:25 <shachaf> The modern usage of the word "meme" on the Internet.
01:59:38 <shachaf> Whoever came up with that ought to be removed.
01:59:42 <Gregor> <ais523> hmm, anyone, perhaps Gregor, know of any good free MIDI desynthesizers? // define "desynthesizer"
01:59:48 <elliott> Gregor: he does so several lines later
01:59:54 <ais523> Gregor: something that takes synthesizer output and produces a MIDI file
01:59:59 <ais523> MIDI synthesizer output, that is
02:00:02 <Gregor> Ah.
02:00:07 <ais523> i.e. the inverse operation of a MIDI synthesizer
02:00:08 <shachaf> des yn the sizer
02:00:25 <Gregor> No, all the ones I know of are truly awful.
02:00:39 <ais523> I thought that might be the answer
02:00:48 <elliott> ais523: why doesn't nethack have tab?
02:00:51 <ais523> can't be any worse than scolily, the only one in the repositories, unless they actually contain malware or the like
02:00:54 <Gregor> The fundamental problem is that distinguishing overtones from tones is infeasible, so you have a sensitivity parameter, and no sensitivity parameter ever works usefully.
02:00:57 <shachaf> elliott: What's tab?
02:01:01 <elliott> a key
02:01:10 <ais523> Gregor: oh, I came up with a cunning plan for that
02:01:20 <shachaf> elliott: NetHack has that key.
02:01:33 <elliott> Tryocmyol sounds like a medicine.
02:01:38 <elliott> *Tryocomyol.
02:01:59 <ais523> lowest frequency must be a tone, then overtones are multiples of that, the nth overtone tends to have an amplitude of 1/n or less compared to the fundamental, if it's more than that you have another tone
02:02:09 <ais523> this doesn't work on pulsetrains, but who uses those?
02:02:38 <Gregor> ais523: I've used WAON (the site for which appears to have vanished), and would not recommend it.
02:02:45 <Gregor> Oh wait, http://waon.sourceforge.net/
02:02:47 <Gregor> There, a site.
02:02:57 <ais523> Gregor: does it produce nonempty output? that's the problem I was having with scolily, that it wouldn't produce anything but a blank file
02:03:07 <Gregor> lol, well, it produces a MID, yes.
02:03:21 <ais523> also, that it took input only from the microphone, which was annoying
02:03:25 <Gregor> waon has the lovely property that if you turn its sensitivity WAY down, you can produce a MIDI file from human speech that will render recognizable human speech.
02:03:36 <elliott> They should make all species hunger work like ghoul hunger in Crawl.
02:03:44 <ais523> I managed to figure out how to configure pulseaudio to copy the speaker output to the default input
02:03:48 <elliott> Gregor: that's cool
02:03:51 <monqy> elliott: what about mummy hunger
02:03:57 <elliott> monqy: that can stay how it is
02:04:00 <shachaf> Hmm, tab moves toward and/or attacks a visible monster?
02:04:09 <ais523> although, it seems to also copy timing properties if you do that; if nothing's going to the speaker, anything trying to read from the microphone freezes, UNIX pipe style
02:04:27 <ais523> which is brilliant but not if you're scolily and add a 4 second countdown from the microphone's timing source for no god reason
02:05:40 <ais523> Gregor: wow, their Ubuntu package is built against /gutsy/
02:05:43 <ais523> I think I'm going to recompile :)
02:06:16 <elliott> brace for Gregor Debian superiority
02:06:35 <Gregor> No package in Debian.
02:06:45 <ais523> no package in precise, either
02:06:49 <Gregor> Which should mean that it's not worthwhile.
02:06:52 <Gregor> Which it isn't ;)
02:06:55 <ais523> but that's not surprising given that they're offering a gutsy package on their website
02:07:03 <ais523> Gregor: well I'm going to try it anyway
02:07:21 <ais523> hmm, a /really/ good desynthesizer could probably reverse-engineer the soundfont
02:07:40 <Gregor> I'm going to get it just to remake some voice->midi->voice stuff, which is fun X-D
02:08:19 <elliott> _d - a scroll labeled TWAT ERACAPAC
02:08:22 <elliott> good scroll name
02:10:05 * ais523 wonders why fftw depends on openmpi
02:10:37 <elliott> ais523: hey, what god would you go with for GhMo?
02:10:46 <shachaf> XOM
02:10:58 <ais523> elliott: needs a combat-character-oriented god; trog is out for obvious reasons
02:10:58 <monqy> just play ghck, shachaf
02:10:59 <shachaf> The all-purpose god.
02:11:09 <elliott> ais523: hmm, which obvious reasons?
02:11:11 <shachaf> monqy: help, what's a ghck
02:11:16 <ais523> elliott: undead can't berserk
02:11:34 <elliott> trog offers more than that, but ok :P
02:11:44 <ais523> yes, but it's a serious nerf to lose one of his main abilities
02:12:06 <ais523> makhleb would work; yred would work, if you prefer that playstyle, but is a bit more niche than makhleb
02:12:25 <ais523> lugonu would work but is hard to end up worshipping in the first place
02:12:33 <ion> elliott: I’ll play a bit of Lair.
02:12:49 <elliott> ion: watching (bigterm is still sinful)
02:12:56 <ais523> a lot of gods won't accept you (fedhas, tso, ely, zin, beogh), which makes things easier
02:12:59 <elliott> ais523: if I wanted lugonu I could have gone GhAK
02:13:03 <ais523> right, indeed
02:13:04 <elliott> (which is fun to pronounce)
02:13:08 <monqy> if you want yred, just play ghdk; if you want lugonu, just play ghak
02:13:15 <monqy> right
02:13:30 <monqy> and yred ally management is annoying
02:13:35 <ais523> monqy: picking up a god at temple is often a good idea even if they're a starting god, because then you get benefits from a different background
02:13:46 <Gregor> Trying to find the perfect soundfont to render this in X-D
02:13:48 <ais523> if you're planning to cast, you could go sif or veh
02:13:56 <ais523> but those are bad ideas if you aren't casting
02:14:03 <elliott> i'm not casting
02:14:08 <monqy> ais523: monk benefits "you get the piety you would have gotten if you had just started with the god"
02:14:28 <ais523> monqy: that's quite a recent addition, so I forgot about it
02:14:41 <ais523> do monks have a better starting inventory than death knights, etc?
02:14:52 <ais523> if so, that'd be a big reason for mo over dk
02:15:11 <monqy> monk inventory is pretty plain
02:15:23 <ais523> elliott: you could also go nemelex, who is broken for all characters but needs both a lot of spoilers and a lot of patience to use correctly
02:15:35 <Gregor> http://codu.org/tmp/snd2mid2snd.ogg IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL
02:15:36 <elliott> monqy has told me about nemelex and now i never want to play nemelex
02:15:39 <ais523> unless they fixed that, in which case he's just bad as it was the main point
02:16:01 <ais523> not a lot of options not considered, at this point, given that I don't consider xom a serious choice
02:16:06 <elliott> Gregor: Can I have that in MP3?
02:16:10 <ais523> oh, does ashenzari still exist? you could do that
02:16:12 <elliott> I can't play oggs here. :(
02:16:14 <Gregor> elliott: ... no.
02:16:17 <elliott> ais523: Ashenzari still exists, yes.
02:16:18 <elliott> Gregor: :'(
02:16:22 <Gregor> elliott: Why?
02:16:22 <elliott> Gregor: WAV?
02:16:25 <elliott> Because OS X.
02:16:39 <Gregor> http://codu.org/tmp/snd2mid2snd.mp3
02:16:41 <ais523> elliott: ashenzari is intended to be a low-maintenance god needing not a lot of concentration from the player
02:16:44 <Gregor> Firefox and Chrome both support ogg ;)
02:16:49 <elliott> (I theoretically have Perian installed, but it doesn't work.)
02:16:52 <ais523> not sure if they succeeded at that
02:17:10 <elliott> Gregor: Not sure what your definition of recognisable speech is X-D
02:17:20 <elliott> ais523: I ask because I went for Makhleb previously.
02:17:20 <ais523> kiku is a bad choice for a non-caster; and chei the devs can't decide how they actually want to work
02:17:23 <elliott> (On monqy's recommendation.)
02:17:26 <ais523> with the result that it changes a lot how he acts
02:17:36 <ais523> makhleb was a good recommendation, but I'd say go ash if you want a change
02:17:37 <elliott> Chei I can never take seriously because monqy laughed at it.
02:17:38 <Gregor> elliott: Recognizable /as/ speech.
02:18:11 <ais523> elliott: the problem with chei is that his fundamental idea is full of drawback, so they give amazing advantages to balance it out, and then nerf it whenever they look like they're actually helpful
02:18:12 <ais523> and this goes in cycles
02:18:18 <elliott> haha
02:18:34 <monqy> problem is the advantages aren't actually amazing, sorry chei
02:18:36 <monqy> :'(
02:18:42 <ais523> monqy: they /used/ to be, remember the ubernaga thing?
02:18:54 <monqy> mmm
02:18:55 <ais523> presumably he's in a nerf phase at the moment, based on what you're saying
02:19:06 <monqy> he hasn't really been buffed since then
02:19:14 <monqy> "big nerf phase"
02:19:28 <monqy> if you want more choices, there's okawaru, and uhh wow how am I forgetting everything
02:19:34 <Sgeo> monqy, elliott update
02:19:41 <ais523> oka's better for weapon-dependent characters
02:19:44 <elliott> im level 2 now
02:20:01 <monqy> ais523: how so? sure you get weapon gifts but
02:20:24 <ais523> monqy: and the other abilities are height and maste
02:20:33 <ais523> (used to be might and haste, but they mixed them up a bit)
02:20:34 <monqy> you mean heroism and finesse
02:20:38 <ais523> yes, I do :)
02:20:41 <monqy> yes you do
02:20:41 <monqy> ok
02:20:42 <monqy> so
02:20:53 <monqy> how do those work better for weapons than unarmed??
02:21:52 <ais523> finesse works badly on things with short delays, doesn't it?
02:23:02 <elliott> height and maste :D
02:23:04 <monqy> it halves attack delay. so minimum delay uc would go from what is it 5 to 3
02:23:27 <monqy> or maybe they use random rounding there now
02:23:40 <monqy> oh wait no they wouldn't since isn't 3 the hard cap
02:23:43 <monqy> or is it not
02:23:52 <monqy> "bad at memorys"
02:24:23 <ais523> monqy: it's the cap I was talking about
02:24:58 <monqy> anyway i don't see it as a significant deterrent from going oka on unarmed
02:25:07 <ais523> well, OK
02:25:10 <monqy> unarmed is stronger than most weapons anyway
02:25:18 <ais523> monqy: even with the aux nerfs?
02:25:26 <monqy> oh, they were nerfed recently?
02:25:46 <monqy> was it after being buffed
02:25:56 <ais523> oh, they were buffed again?
02:25:58 <elliott> lmao
02:26:01 <ais523> I was talking about the nerf before that
02:26:09 <ais523> elliott: this is common with all sorts of things in Crawl
02:26:26 <ais523> heavy armour is the most famous, it was buffed and nerfed on alternate releases for five releases, possibly more
02:26:36 <ais523> meph is a bit of an exception, it only ever gets nerfed
02:26:59 <elliott> <monqy> not enough
02:26:59 <monqy> alternate releases?
02:27:32 <monqy> wasn't it nerfed in 0.6, buffed slightly in 0.7, buffed greatly in 0.8, maybe nerfed a bit in 0.9, i forget what happened in 0.10, 0.11
02:27:32 <ais523> monqy: nerf then buff then nerf then buff then…
02:27:45 <ais523> oh, perhaps I'm misremembering slightly
02:27:52 <monqy> i wasn't around for 0.5
02:27:59 <ais523> 0.5 it was easily the best build there
02:28:07 <monqy> yeah that's what I understand
02:28:09 <ais523> MDFi was the "win easily" combo recommended for beginners
02:28:14 <monqy> and it was a joke or something in 0.6
02:28:20 <elliott> ion: You can't say brb and then not tell me when you start again!
02:28:40 <ais523> elliott: /were/ you right back? if not, you were just disobeying his admonition and it was your fault!
02:28:46 <ion> elliott: “right” after i said it.
02:28:54 <ais523> if someone tells you to be right back, you should be right back!
02:29:00 <ion> Perhaps 5–10 10 seconds.
02:29:16 <ion> Err, more likely 10.
02:30:56 <elliott> 1010 seconds
02:31:05 <ion> The time it took me to type ^SO/regeneration<enter>I#<escape>:wq<enter>p plus a few seconds of thinking time.
02:31:56 <elliott> Thinking? In Crawl?
02:32:01 <ion> No, in vi
02:34:04 <elliott> 126 stones? That's a many stone.
02:34:05 <elliott> brb.
02:34:16 <ion> You can have some of them.
02:35:02 <elliott> bacque
02:35:03 <elliott> klqwje
02:35:44 <elliott> ais523: anyway, what do you mean Xom's not a serious option? :)
02:35:59 <ais523> elliott: his main purpose is to throw extra randomness into your game
02:36:06 <ais523> which in practice, means extra deaths
02:36:13 <elliott> s/randomness/[Ff]un/
02:36:32 <ais523> xom helping you isn't very helpful as you can't rely on it, xom hurting you can be very hurtful as it can come at a time you really don't want it to
02:36:45 <elliott> monqy: listen to this boring dude
02:36:51 <Sgeo> Clearly, Xom best incorporates the DF motto
02:37:03 <elliott> nah, Xom is nothing like DF
02:37:12 <ais523> elliott: boring and serious are similar concepts
02:37:21 <Sgeo> Losing is Fun, I mean
02:37:22 <ais523> I said he wasn't serious; rather, he's the frivolous option
02:37:26 <ais523> so if you want frivolity, great
02:37:29 <elliott> with DF, it's the combination of a bunch of perfectly normal, logical, and measured aspects into a gigantic clusterfuck that kills you
02:37:37 <elliott> with Xom, it's just Xom that kills you
02:38:02 <ais523> Gregor: haha, wow waon is bad
02:38:06 <Sgeo> DF is a sequel?
02:38:10 <elliott> Sgeo: Yes.
02:38:13 <ais523> just like you said
02:38:18 <ais523> but it's /still/ not as bad as scolily
02:38:40 <elliott> Sgeo: The complete name of the game is Slaves to Armok: God of Blood, Chapter II: Dwarf Fortress.
02:38:47 <Sgeo> Where's Chapter I?
02:38:55 <Sgeo> ...or wait, were you joking
02:38:58 <elliott> That's Slaves to Armok: God of Blood; http://www.bay12games.com/armok/.
02:39:00 <elliott> No, I wasn't joking.
02:39:19 <elliott> There's an #esoteric log where fizzie quotes I-think-mooz talking about his experiences with it.
02:39:31 <elliott> It shares the "excruciating detail about the state your various body parts are in" aspect with DF.
02:39:36 <elliott> But it's a single-player 3D RPG-style thing.
02:39:41 <Sgeo> 3D?
02:40:12 <elliott> Yes.
02:40:20 <elliott> http://www.gamasutra.com/db_area/images/feature/3549/armokky.jpg
02:40:43 <elliott> More screenshots: http://www.bay12games.com/armok/ascreens.html
02:41:12 <elliott> Sgeo: In fact, Dwarf Fortress was a rather infamously vapourware sequel; it was announced in 2002 or so, and came out in 2006.
02:41:30 <Sgeo> AFK
02:41:40 <elliott> (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Millionth_topic_pool#Video_games)
02:41:40 <monqy> letting it sink in?
02:41:54 * elliott wonders what monqy is talking about.
02:42:00 <monqy> 19:41:30 < Sgeo> AFK
02:42:03 <ais523> Gregor: haha, WAON's output actually made timidity SIGABRT
02:42:05 <elliott> Oh.
02:42:25 <elliott> ion: Spiders!!!
02:42:27 <elliott> Do spiders
02:42:31 <elliott> DO SPIDERS
02:42:36 <elliott> ^rainbow SPIDERS
02:42:36 <fungot> SPIDERS
02:42:39 <Gregor> ais523: Don't use timidity anyway, it is made of lame.
02:42:41 <Gregor> Use fluidsynth.
02:42:41 <monqy> do spiders
02:42:44 <elliott> ^rainbow S P I D E R S
02:42:45 <fungot> S P I D E R S
02:42:47 <monqy> ion: are you doing spiders
02:42:49 <Gregor> (Which is also lame, but in different ways)
02:42:57 <ais523> Gregor: waon's documented as a reverse of timidity
02:43:01 <ais523> so I'm round-tripping to see if it works
02:43:23 <Gregor> That is a rather silly way to document it X-D
02:43:46 <kmc> skeletonsskeletonsskeletons
02:45:28 * ais523 wonders what they test WAON on
02:45:37 <ais523> surely they've /noticed/ its output is unintelligible?
02:45:58 <ion> monqy: I think i’ll leave it for later. :-)
02:46:08 <monqy> :(
02:46:48 <elliott> "Okay, then." --Crawl
02:46:50 <elliott> ion: See?
02:46:53 <elliott> Even Crawl agree.
02:47:03 <ion> good point
02:47:15 <ion> ^rainbot ELIOT PRIDE
02:47:18 <ion> ^rainbow ELIOT PRIDE
02:47:18 <fungot> ELIOT PRIDE
02:47:20 <ais523> Gregor: btw, I just opened snd2mid2snd, you have a nicely musical voice
02:47:36 <ais523> can't make out what you're /saying/, though
02:48:48 <elliott> yessss
02:48:50 <Gregor> ...
02:48:51 <elliott> spiderssssssssss
02:48:53 <elliott> Come onnnn
02:48:54 <Gregor> I AM TWILIGHT SPARKLE
02:48:56 <elliott> Yesssss
02:48:58 <ais523> hmm, and I see what you mean about the competitors; one is commercial, runs only on Windows and Irix, and was last developed in 1998, and the other was hosted on geocities (and not archived by reocities)
02:48:58 <elliott> Spidersssssss
02:49:08 <monqy> moral of the story with enough peer pressure nything is possible
02:49:22 <elliott> `addquote <monqy> moral of the story with enough peer pressure nything is possible
02:49:25 <HackEgo> 850) <monqy> moral of the story with enough peer pressure nything is possible
02:49:53 -!- coppro_ has changed nick to coppro.
02:50:27 <Gregor> elliott, ais523: You have to try to listen to the incidental sound instead of the primary sound, if you focus on the actual pizz then it's unrecognizable, but if you listen for the resultant reverb, the voice is more noticeable.
02:50:46 <elliott> Already did that.
02:51:02 <elliott> It makes good avant garde music, though.
02:51:11 <elliott> You should get an orchestra to play it.
02:51:20 <ais523> so, hmm, I wonder what it sounds like if you just track the fundamental
02:51:27 <ais523> as in, the lowest significant frequency
02:51:38 <ais523> that couldn't possibly be confused by overtones, although it probably gets confused by something else, like beats
02:52:11 <ais523> likewise, simply taking the strongest frequency would probably get you one of the melody lines
02:52:44 <elliott> Then BLEND THEM TOGETHER
02:54:31 <elliott> ais523: Tell ion to go back to spiders.
02:54:33 <ais523> this problem is hard, but it can't be as hard as some of the solutions people are indicating is implying
02:56:56 <elliott> monqy: Tell ion to go back to spiders. :(
02:57:02 <monqy> ion: spidres
02:57:22 <ion> You go to spiders.
02:57:26 <elliott> No.
02:57:28 <elliott> You go to spiders.
02:57:33 <ion> No.
02:57:35 <ion> You go to spiders.
02:57:36 <elliott> I'm nowhere near spiders. You are.
02:57:37 <elliott> Go to spiders.
02:57:51 <monqy> elliott: when you find spiders, will you go to it?
02:57:56 <elliott> B - the -2 pair of boots of Xom's Pride {rElec Str+2} (3 aum)
02:57:59 <elliott> Xom's Pride indeed.
02:58:01 <elliott> monqy: Yes.
02:58:05 <monqy> yaey
02:58:10 <ion> yæy
02:58:35 <elliott> monqy: I might train up a bit first, though.
02:58:41 <elliott> ion: Will you go back to them *sometime*?
02:59:01 <elliott> 03:58 <Henzell> spider nest[2/5]: Gear checklist: most importantly: rPois and or potions of curing; clarity is a big help against tarantellas; some ranged attack is a big help against orb spiders; escape items of course; with rPois there are plenty of corpses to eat, else bring food.
02:59:04 <elliott> Checklists. Exciting.
02:59:15 <elliott> ion: s p i d e r s
03:00:52 <ion> I’m tempted to join Jiyva, but Trog would instakill me. :-(
03:00:54 <elliott> ion: Convert to Jiyva.
03:00:58 <elliott> Then go into the slime pits.
03:01:02 <elliott> Then eat a spider.
03:01:10 <elliott> Oh, you just said you were tempted to.
03:01:12 <elliott> ion: C'mon.
03:01:13 <elliott> I'll protect you.
03:01:15 <monqy> ion: instant retribution is gone
03:01:19 <elliott> You're XL13. Big boy now.
03:01:22 <ion> monqy: Oh?
03:01:26 <monqy> ion: yeah
03:01:33 <ion> What does Trog do then?
03:01:39 <monqy> waits before retributioning
03:01:40 <elliott> grumbles; cries a bit
03:01:56 <monqy> ion: "one way to find out"
03:02:09 <ais523> ion: he still instakills you, just a bit later
03:02:15 <ion> So instead of me knowing when he’ll attack it will be a surprise? That sounds much better.
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03:02:32 <elliott> See, that sounds like fun.
03:02:33 <elliott> C'mon.
03:02:35 <elliott> Convert to Jiyva.
03:02:39 <elliott> The jellies will protect you.
03:02:46 <Sgeo> Would reading a spellbook cause retribution, or just lost of piety, or what?
03:02:51 <elliott> 04:02 <Henzell> trog wrath[1/4]: ABANDONMENT: 50 penance RETRIBUTION: 50% summoning abjurable, but berserking hostiles from (iron troll, deep troll, rock troll, troll, black bear, grizzly bear, stone giant, hill giant, ogre, two-headed ogre); 33% weakening effect (decay, STR loss, paralysis, slowing); 16% fire miscast.
03:02:53 <elliott> See, that's not so bad.
03:03:38 <elliott> I don't know, ion. You won't go into the Spider Nest, won't convert to Jiyva...
03:03:41 <elliott> You're so boring.
03:03:48 <ion> I can give you your money back.
03:03:51 <Sgeo> elliott, Xom is bored?
03:03:54 <monqy> which other lair branch did you get
03:04:00 <monqy> Sgeo: hi
03:04:01 <elliott> Slime pits.
03:04:10 <ion> Snake
03:04:12 <monqy> elliott: snake
03:04:13 <elliott> Oh.
03:04:14 <ion> and Slime
03:04:19 <elliott> I don't like how ion can type ^O and I can't.
03:04:35 <Sgeo>
03:04:36 <ion> elliott: Remember what i said about Crawl’s architecture sucking?
03:04:43 -!- ais523 has quit.
03:04:45 <elliott> No, mine is terminal architecture.
03:04:56 <elliott> Now go to slime or spider or snake. Or convert to Jiyva.
03:05:00 <elliott> Anything of interest!
03:05:22 <ion> I’m still considering Jiyva. Too bad i can’t abjure.
03:05:23 <monqy> since when is lair not the epitome of interesting? yaey, green rats
03:05:41 <ion> Porcupines also!
03:06:02 <elliott> I'll pay you WHOLE MONEYS to Jiyva.
03:07:14 <elliott> ion: wut
03:07:20 <elliott> Awwwwwwwww what
03:07:25 <elliott> You can't quit just before something interesting happens.
03:07:37 <ion> I’m considering sleeping.
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03:07:54 <elliott> @time ion
03:07:54 <lambdabot> Local time for ion is Wed May 2 06:07:54 2012
03:07:57 <elliott> Don't be ridiculous.
03:08:00 <monqy> elliott: flipsidely, now you can do something interesting
03:08:09 <elliott> monqy: Do I ever do anything interesting?
03:08:23 <monqy> I don't know
03:08:23 <ais523> just rebooted, timidity seemed to have got permanently screwed up in a way that survived me killing the process and restarting it
03:08:25 <ion> elliott is playing as elliptic
03:08:29 <ais523> but rebooting the computer worked
03:08:37 <elliott> ion: How did you discover my alt???
03:08:37 <ais523> thus, I suspect Pulse is at fault
03:08:45 <elliott> *?!?!
03:09:08 <ion> /nick ellion
03:09:10 <ais523> elliptic is one of those people, like Adeon, that it's impossible for anyone else to convincingly pretend to be
03:09:38 <elliott> ais523: I'm good at convincingly pretending to people who can't be convincingly pretended to be!
03:09:41 <elliott> *pretending to be
03:09:53 <ion> It’s trivial to pretend to be elliott. Behold:
03:09:54 <monqy> can people convincingly pretend to be me
03:09:57 <ion> SPIDERS
03:09:59 <ion> s p i d e r s
03:10:03 <ion> SSPPIIDDEERRSS
03:10:12 <monqy> ion: hi elliott
03:10:30 <ais523> OK, so let me read this android-ported-to-C# story on slashdot
03:10:43 <ais523> so many possible troll and fanboy angles, it'll be fun seeing which one comes up first
03:11:18 <elliott> monqy: is there a max xl in crawl
03:11:21 <ais523> elliott: 27
03:11:25 <elliott> thought so
03:11:27 <elliott> what is it with 27?
03:11:44 <ais523> <tvtropes> arc number </tvtropes>
03:11:49 <elliott> /kick ais523
03:12:19 <ais523> first comment was about oracle, figures
03:13:14 <elliott> monqy: shoudl i plh
03:13:15 <elliott> oapl
03:13:17 <elliott> plqy
03:13:18 <elliott> plwy
03:13:19 <elliott> ply
03:13:20 <elliott> aplye
03:13:22 <elliott> play
03:13:24 <elliott> that was real thpo
03:13:26 <elliott> s
03:13:28 <elliott> typos
03:13:38 <coppro> ais523: what else is there 27 of?
03:13:39 <ais523> second thread was about Microsoft patents
03:13:44 <elliott> dungeon levels
03:13:48 <ais523> coppro: max skill levels, dungeon levels
03:13:54 <ais523> and they're aiming for 27 races, backgrounds, and gods
03:14:05 <ais523> (even though this is probably a bad idea!)
03:14:09 <elliott> but the races and backgrounds are selected by letters!
03:14:14 <elliott> they'll need to add another letter to the alphabet
03:14:27 <ion> å
03:14:32 <monqy> i thought the "aiming" was a joke
03:15:05 <ais523> elliott: capital A (they've gone over 26 backgrounds before now)
03:15:21 <elliott> background is the yy in xxyy right
03:15:45 <monqy> yes
03:16:44 <elliott> monqy: im aplye
03:17:07 <monqy> have you decided a god
03:17:13 <elliott> what does ashe give you again
03:17:15 <elliott> it'll be either
03:17:15 <monqy> you can search for altar and stare at the list
03:17:18 <elliott> ashe or thingy
03:17:22 <ais523> elliott: ashenzari gives information
03:17:26 <ais523> and likes you to wear cursed stuff
03:17:37 <elliott> "Likes when you wear cursed gear" what
03:18:02 <ion> elliott: Drink the potion of mutation.
03:18:09 <monqy> ashenzari's the god who nailed himself to the sky
03:18:18 <elliott> ion: going to
03:18:19 <ion> Oh, crap. Your race is wrong. –ion, the racist
03:18:31 <ais523> wait, there's an argument over the pronunciation of "C#", I didn't expect /that/
03:18:32 <elliott> oh wait
03:18:37 <elliott> it doesn't do anything for me
03:18:39 <elliott> awsum
03:18:40 <ais523> I forgot there were flame wars /within/ the communities too…
03:18:47 <ion> ais523: Haha
03:19:10 <elliott> monqy: ok you pick ashe or thingy
03:19:11 <ais523> this may be the first submission I've read for a while with /no/ insightful unpredictable comments
03:19:18 <monqy> elliott: whats thingy
03:19:23 <elliott> uhhhhhh
03:19:24 <monqy> elliott: and which gods have you seeen
03:19:25 <elliott> makhleb
03:19:38 <elliott> i already narrowed them down before??
03:19:39 <monqy> elliott: ^Faltar since you can't ^O
03:19:39 <elliott> didnt i
03:19:44 <ion> # in Finnish is informally risuaita, which translates to stick fence.
03:19:48 <ion> C stick fence.
03:19:53 <monqy> xom
03:20:35 <elliott> thanks, monqy
03:20:38 <elliott> the curse thing seems uhhh
03:20:41 <monqy> elliott: you can try all of them across different games
03:20:41 <ais523> <zill> What do you mean by "you have to run Windows underneath Linux anyway"?
03:20:43 <ion> Vacuuming the dungeon for Nemelex might be fun for a while.
03:20:48 <monqy> ion: ha
03:20:48 <elliott> monqy: i know!!
03:20:49 <monqy> ion: ha
03:20:49 <monqy> ion: ha
03:20:50 <elliott> im deciding for
03:20:50 <elliott> this game
03:21:00 <ais523> I'm going to call Poe's Law on that conversation, there is no other way to explain it in 2012
03:21:01 <elliott> the curse thing is weird
03:21:03 <monqy> elliott: flip a coin with as many sides as you require
03:21:13 <elliott> monqy: is the curse thing weird
03:21:31 <ais523> ooh, and now an anti-C# thread
03:21:32 <monqy> elliott: ashe was added only after I mostly stopped playing
03:21:42 <elliott> hmm, dpeg wrote the post announcing them
03:21:45 <elliott> BET IT SUCKS
03:21:50 <elliott> dpeg is the one who kicked ais523 right
03:22:01 <ais523> ye6s
03:22:07 <monqy> and me
03:22:17 <ais523> (fun fact: I typoed "ye6s", then corrected it to "yes", then decided to put the original typo back in)
03:22:22 <ais523> (I do'nt know why, maybe I'm tired)
03:22:30 <elliott> ye6s
03:22:39 <elliott> monqy: which god you pick :'(
03:22:48 <monqy> chei
03:22:54 <elliott> no!!!
03:22:54 <elliott> out of
03:22:55 <elliott> those two
03:23:02 <elliott> ashe and thingy
03:23:03 <elliott> makhleb
03:23:26 <monqy> 17:41:46 < elliptic> ghoul of chei is pretty good, yes
03:23:34 <ais523> oh, and more fun facts: Java is 1.5 times slower than C, and C# is 7 times faster than Java
03:23:37 <monqy> see, even elliptic approves of ghoul of chei
03:23:41 * ais523 has a feeling that these facts do not connect with each other well
03:23:43 <elliott> when was that
03:23:47 <monqy> earlier today
03:23:54 <monqy> less than 3 hours ago
03:23:54 <elliott> i
03:23:55 <elliott> ok
03:23:57 * ais523 suspects conveniently selected benchmarks
03:23:57 <monqy> surely his opinion hasn't changed
03:24:02 <ion> Chei can be fun for a while, too.
03:24:10 <ais523> elliott: there is at least a 40% chance elliptic was trolling when he said that
03:24:12 <elliott> ais523: please tell ajzaff about preview...
03:24:18 <elliott> and yes, I suspected
03:24:29 <elliott> monqy: come onnnn ashe or makh
03:24:32 <monqy> either
03:24:36 <elliott> no
03:24:37 <elliott> which :(
03:24:38 <monqy> don't make me choose!!!!
03:24:50 <monqy> make someone else choose
03:24:54 <elliott> no
03:24:55 <elliott> you
03:25:02 <monqy> can i phone a friend
03:25:08 <elliott> yes
03:25:26 <monqy> ashenzari
03:25:32 <elliott> monqy: the friend can't be an RNG though
03:25:35 <elliott> it has to be human
03:25:38 <elliott> or at least sentient
03:25:54 <ais523> elliott: OK I told him
03:26:01 <ion> NASA really knows graphic design. Those images are so pretty. http://colorusage.arc.nasa.gov/bkg_1.php
03:26:06 <monqy> elliott: ashenzari
03:26:11 <ais523> you can phone me, and I'll say ash
03:26:15 <monqy> elliott: ashenzari
03:26:25 <elliott> monqy: ok fine butthat was totally cheating
03:26:27 <elliott> ...butt hat
03:26:42 <elliott> i regret this already
03:26:43 <elliott> excellent
03:26:56 <monqy> I almost asked "ashenzari or makhleb for ghmo of chei" then corrected it then almost uncorrected it
03:27:04 <elliott> :D
03:27:21 <elliott> appending "of chei" to anything makes it better
03:27:27 <elliott> so i don't sacrifice corpses for ashey?
03:27:31 <elliott> indeed
03:27:47 <monqy> 20:26:42 < elliott> i regret this already
03:27:50 <elliott> i wonder if leather armour of magic resistance is better than a +0 robe
03:27:52 <monqy> next game go chei to cleanse your soul
03:28:23 <elliott> (by "i wonder if" i mean "hey monqy, is")
03:28:29 <monqy> oh
03:28:29 <monqy> uh
03:28:33 <monqy> dunno !
03:28:44 <elliott> hey ais523, is
03:28:44 <monqy> are you going armoures or what
03:28:44 <ais523> elliott: I read that as "hey, monqy is"
03:28:47 <ais523> it makes the sentence better
03:28:56 <elliott> monqy: im not sure "maybe light armoure?"
03:28:56 <ais523> not the ping on me, the previous of your lines
03:28:59 <elliott> but
03:29:05 <elliott> i don't know what the light armour progression is
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03:29:33 <monqy> "robe -> spells -> thanks for going light armoures"
03:29:35 <elliott> `welcome Reinu
03:29:39 <HackEgo> Reinu: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
03:29:42 <elliott> monqy: not spells!! im not doing spells
03:29:45 <elliott> isn't there like
03:29:47 <monqy> why not heavy it up!!!
03:29:50 <elliott> dragon plate things or something
03:29:56 <monqy> oh, medium armoures
03:29:56 <elliott> ok fine i'll heavy it up i hate this plate armour here but
03:30:05 <elliott> Reinu: also this channel isn't actually about crawl I just happen to be playing crawl sorry
03:30:12 <elliott> uhh by "i hate" i mean "i have"
03:30:21 <ais523> elliott: why not move the conversation to #nethack-offtopic?
03:30:29 <ion> noooo
03:30:32 <ais523> or, hmm, the -offtopic channel for some arbitrary large channel
03:30:40 <elliott> why not move it to #ubuntu?
03:30:49 <monqy> why not move it to ##crawl-dev
03:30:49 <elliott> they won't notice it
03:30:50 <ion> The -offtopic channel of #haskell-blah for instance.
03:31:01 <monqy> #haskell-blah-blah
03:31:16 <Reinu> hello guys
03:31:17 <elliott> hi, sose
03:31:18 <ion> No, #haskell
03:31:22 <elliott> by sose I mean Reinu
03:31:27 <monqy> hi reinu
03:31:31 <ion> heinu
03:31:37 <kmc> the offtopic channel of #haskell is #esoteric
03:31:48 <ais523> kmc: that's surprisingly accurate sometimes
03:31:50 <ais523> hi Reinu btw
03:32:04 * ais523 checks if #esoteric-offtopic still exists
03:32:14 <Reinu> cool my nickname got a nickname
03:32:22 <ais523> apparently not
03:32:23 <elliott> monqy: does menkaure go upstairs?
03:32:27 <monqy> yes
03:32:36 <elliott> monqy: i mean, if it's not next to me
03:32:39 <elliott> i guess probably not
03:33:00 <ais523> hmm, this channel is currently silly and offtopic because the people in it are tired, rather than silly and offtopic because it's usually like that
03:33:25 <elliott> I'm not tired
03:33:28 <elliott> is monqy tired?
03:33:29 <monqy> which channel is this again
03:33:33 <monqy> what's tired? not me
03:33:35 <elliott> this channel is always silly and offtopic
03:33:45 <elliott> _Ashenzari no longer supports your skills.
03:33:46 <elliott> oops
03:33:54 <monqy> you gain piety for exploreing
03:34:02 <Reinu> that's a good thing actually
03:34:09 <elliott> wow menkaure was a pushover
03:34:20 <monqy> welcome to ghmo "have a nice day"
03:34:26 <ais523> elliott: menkaure is like sigmund, a pushover except when he kills you at random
03:35:22 <ais523> Reinu: I'm normally happy to carry on an ontopic conversation if someone else starts it, though, as long as I can vaguely understand what it's about
03:35:46 <elliott> ais523 is the official defender of topicality
03:36:08 <elliott> sort of like being the official wedding priest at a satanist orgy
03:36:08 <ais523> it's a losing battle
03:36:10 <Reinu> what is the oficial topic of this channel?
03:36:14 <ais523> esoteric programming languages
03:36:17 <elliott> 04:29 <HackEgo> Reinu: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
03:36:36 <Reinu> ooh tanks
03:36:41 <Reinu> thanks*
03:36:45 <ais523> we finally discovered what the appropriate channel for the other sort of esotericisim was quite recently, after years of looking
03:36:54 <ais523> (so that we could send people who were in the wrong place there)
03:37:06 <Reinu> hahaha it seems i come in a good time
03:37:12 <elliott> `? esoteric
03:37:15 <HackEgo> This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.
03:37:31 <Reinu> got it
03:37:59 <ais523> hmm, clearly we need an esoterica-based esolang
03:38:07 <ais523> just to really confuse people as to which channel is which
03:38:48 <Reinu> weren't you looking the other channel to guide people there why would you like to confuse them now?
03:39:11 <elliott> we didn't look for it, someone else stumbled across it
03:39:23 <ais523> I think you help the newbies and confuse the regulars
03:39:26 <ais523> or something
03:39:31 <ais523> I'm a regular and I'm confused, that's a start
03:40:30 <elliott> ais523: meanwhile, john carmack answers a Stack Exchange question about a tweet he made
03:40:38 <ais523> awesome
03:40:42 <ais523> was it a serious answer or a troll answer?
03:40:45 <elliott> serious
03:40:46 <ais523> it'd be awesome either way
03:40:48 <elliott> http://superuser.com/questions/419070/transatlantic-ping-faster-than-sending-a-pixel-to-the-screen
03:43:18 <ais523> ooh, it's /both/
03:44:18 <ais523> serious answer for their audience, and trolling Sony a little
03:45:43 <elliott> monqy: 18 str for plate armour right
03:46:51 <monqy> yes
03:48:35 <elliott> heh, I don't autopickup remove curse any more
03:48:42 <elliott> oh, wait
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03:49:54 <elliott> ooh
03:49:55 <elliott> thanks ashe
03:49:56 <elliott> i think
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03:50:50 <elliott> yay, rpois
03:51:26 <elliott> monqy: oh yeah, does ashe give me any abilities?
03:51:48 <monqy> scrying, reskilling
03:52:18 <elliott> OK, so nothing combat-wise
03:52:34 <monqy> yaey, meph
03:52:35 <elliott> hey, I could learn blink *and* mephitic cloud!
03:52:45 <monqy> blink isn't so bad
03:53:31 <monqy> controlled blink, however
03:53:36 <elliott> oh, isn't that what blink is?
03:53:40 <monqy> no
03:53:42 <elliott> lame
03:53:58 <monqy> blink is more like lugonu's bend space
03:54:11 <monqy> but without hp loss etc etc
03:54:13 <elliott> finally, a chei altar!
03:54:27 <elliott> it's a good thing i was
03:54:30 <elliott> ...
03:54:31 <elliott> patient
03:54:35 <monqy> ha
03:54:36 <ais523> blink has a random target
03:54:40 <ais523> which means it only saves you some of the time
03:54:43 <monqy> i have to be not here for a bit but i'll be back sometime
03:54:47 <elliott> ais523: you ruined monqy's haing!!!
03:54:48 <elliott> @time monqy
03:54:49 <lambdabot> Local time for monqy is Tue May 1 20:54:48 2012
03:54:54 <elliott> happy 20:54:48
03:55:00 <monqy> happy
03:55:02 <ais523> elliott: so long as I don't ruin his hiing
03:55:10 <elliott> ais523: shachaf did that
03:55:22 <elliott> hmm, ogres annoy me
03:55:24 <elliott> I want more HP
03:55:33 <elliott> the fighting skill *does* give you HP, right?
03:56:09 <ais523> elliott: it used to; then they either changed it so that it was the only thing that mattered or so that it didn't matter, I can't remember which
03:56:17 <elliott> monqy: help
03:56:24 <ais523> there was a huge debate about fighting being so much better than all the other skills
03:56:38 <ais523> and that reskilling was broken as a result because people would just dump everything into fighting
03:56:44 <ais523> but I can't remember how it was resolved
03:57:36 <elliott> woo, I have +2 plate armour
04:00:28 <elliott> monqy: gastronok is scary right
04:00:29 <elliott> 05:00 <Henzell> guru wisdom[3/24]: <monky> gastronok is like a titan but with less speed and lightning and more spammals
04:00:31 <elliott> thanks, monqy
04:00:34 <Sgeo> elliott, monqy update bluh bluh
04:01:09 <elliott> ais523: I'm XL 9 and have chain mail, helmet, pair of boots, cloak, and unarmed combat at level 11.3
04:01:13 <elliott> should I run away from gastronok?
04:01:17 <elliott> there's a convenient upstairs
04:01:35 <ais523> yes, you should
04:01:43 <ais523> if you can't kill him at range, and you probably can't
04:01:47 <elliott> should I bother closing the door on the way?
04:01:50 <elliott> i hear he can open them
04:02:02 <ais523> it won't waste any time if you do
04:02:06 * ion opens eliot’s Crawl and sees Gastronok. Nice.
04:02:08 <ais523> you could probably even door-kite him, but that's ridiculous
04:02:18 <ais523> ion: "elliott" isn't spelt like that
04:02:23 <elliott> what's door-kiting
04:02:34 <ion> eliot: How are you spelt?
04:02:36 <ais523> elliott: when you repeatedly close a door as a monster repeatedly tries to open it
04:02:53 <ais523> normally the monster wins due to speed randomization, but gastronok is pretty slow
04:02:56 <elliott> I'm just a bit worried that I'll run into him again when exploring the level
04:02:56 <ion> I don’t think that technique is reliable anymore since there’s some randomness in the movement times of characters.
04:03:02 <elliott> and it's far down enough taht I'd rather not just skip the level entirely
04:03:04 <ais523> hmm, now I have an urge to call an esolang "Elliot"
04:03:05 <elliott> *that
04:03:25 <ais523> gastronok's slow, you can just run away whenever he shows up
04:03:39 <elliott> but he casts spells!
04:03:46 <elliott> OK, should I run away to the upstairs or just to another part of the level?
04:04:23 <ais523> I'd just go to another part of the level, but then I'm not very good at Crawl
04:04:31 <elliott> what would ion do? he's probably worse
04:04:31 <ais523> and don't normally run as far as I should
04:04:52 <ion> nooo
04:04:54 <elliott> never mind, I died to a centaur
04:05:02 <elliott> who gives those bastards that kind of gera?
04:05:04 <elliott> *gear
04:05:17 <elliott> they need nerfing
04:06:15 <ais523> centaurs are a common monster to complain about
04:06:41 <ion> The next time don’t stay in the range where they can shoot stuff at you. If you can’t get outside that range quickly, melee them.
04:06:44 <ais523> the usual solution is to use spells (specifically, rmsl and later dmsl) in order to take the edge off centaur-type monsters, to the extent that they are arguably balanced against a player's missile repulsion
04:06:50 <ais523> and if you don't have the appropriate spells, sucks to be you
04:06:54 <elliott> ion: I was trying to get out of the way; and then trying to melee it
04:07:10 <ais523> it's not NetHack, you can't dodge projectiles by avoiding the compass directions
04:07:28 <elliott> ais523: I think they should just make them start appearing later, and keep the difficulty the same
04:07:36 <elliott> that way you'd have enough HP to offset their power
04:07:44 <elliott> and I would die less
04:07:45 <elliott> which is good
04:07:46 <ais523> hahahaha
04:07:49 <ais523> HP doesn't work like that in Crawl
04:07:58 <elliott> :(
04:08:04 <ais523> in that monsters scale much faster than it does
04:08:39 <elliott> ion: Should I aplye again?
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04:13:16 <EgoBot> ​41 ++++++++[>+++++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>.+.>++. [311]
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04:13:31 <EgoBot> ​Installed user interpreters: about acro aol austro bc bct bf2c bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes cat chaos chiqrsx9p choo cmd cpick ctcp dc decide drawl drome dubya echo ehird elmer fudd glogbot_ignore google graph hello helloworld id inc insanetemp jethro kraut lperl lsh map monqy num numberwang ook pansy pi pikhq ping pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler prefixes python python2 redneck reverse rimshot rot13 rot47 ruby_ sadbf sanetemp sfedeesh sffed
04:13:47 <shubshub> who deleted my interpreter!
04:14:05 <shubshub> !show ruby_
04:14:05 <EgoBot> sh ruby
04:14:59 <shubshub> !ruby_ print "hi"
04:14:59 <EgoBot> ​/tmp/input.30313: line 1: ruby: command not found
04:18:33 <ion> elliott: yes
04:19:11 <elliott> ion: Aplyeing.
04:19:38 <ion> wahthicng
04:20:29 <elliott> Oops.
04:20:31 <ion> Do it!@
04:20:42 <ion> :-(
04:20:49 <ion> Boots suck.
04:20:59 <elliott> I can't fathom why.
04:24:14 <elliott> Is +2 ring mail better than +0 scale mail?
04:24:22 <elliott> Scale mail being one better than ring mail in general.
04:24:24 <elliott> I can never tell.
04:24:34 <ion> Look at your AC and EV
04:24:42 <elliott> How do I do that again :(
04:24:57 <ion> (AC is more important for a fighter.)
04:25:16 <ion> You see them in the default display.
04:25:22 <elliott> Oh, right.
04:25:29 <elliott> 8/8 vs. 7/7. Okay.
04:25:33 <elliott> Lower EV is best, right?
04:25:40 <ion> Higher both is best.
04:25:43 <elliott> Oh.
04:25:43 <elliott> Neat.
04:25:54 <ion> But prefer AC as a fighter.
04:26:25 <ion> (Of course there are other things that matter, too. Wear a plate mail with no armor skill and fighting will be difficult.)
04:27:43 <elliott> Neat!
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04:28:53 <elliott> Fun.
04:29:17 <elliott> 05:29 <Henzell> grey rat[1/1]: A much more formidable foe than the plain rats, grey rats can kill in the midgame. If they get lucky.
04:29:22 <elliott> I can't tell how serious this entry is.
04:29:24 <elliott> Should I run away?
04:29:34 <elliott> Guess I'll ask whoever it is that does monster info.
04:31:37 <elliott> (That's ion.)
04:32:20 <monqy> oh no did you died
04:32:41 <elliott> No.
04:32:43 <elliott> But I grey rat.
04:33:22 <elliott> IS GREY RAT SCARY ICANT TELLE monqy
04:33:25 <monqy> last game, I mean
04:33:27 <ion> Grey rats aren’t that bad IIRC.
04:33:30 <monqy> the one where you died
04:33:35 <elliott> Yes, I died when I died.
04:33:36 <elliott> Of centaur.
04:33:38 <monqy> because I wasn't around to save you, presumably
04:33:44 <elliott> Highlight:
04:33:49 <elliott> 05:00 <elliott> monqy: gastronok is scary right
04:33:49 <elliott> 05:00 <elliott> 05:00 <Henzell> guru wisdom[3/24]: <monky> gastronok is like a titan but with less speed and lightning and more spammals
04:33:49 <elliott> 05:00 <elliott> thanks, monqy
04:33:51 <ion> Look at it with x. It seems to say how bad the monster might be nowadays.
04:33:59 <elliott> No, I died even though you were around to save me, inside Henzell. :(
04:34:06 <elliott> monqy: IS GREY RAT SCARY
04:34:09 <monqy> nO
04:34:15 <monqy> grey rat is like rat
04:34:16 <monqy> but grey
04:34:23 <elliott> WHY DID HENZELL LIE TO ME
04:34:27 <monqy> what did henzell say
04:34:31 <ion> You died because you ran back and forth and back and forth within the c’s shooting range. :-P
04:34:32 <elliott> 05:29 <elliott> 05:29 <Henzell> grey rat[1/1]: A much more formidable foe than the plain rats, grey rats can kill in the midgame. If they get lucky.
04:34:42 <elliott> ion: IT WAS A DANCE OF DEATH
04:34:54 <monqy> elliott: henzell isn't always reliable, see {butterfly}
04:34:58 <elliott> monqy: You should fix that learndb entry. :(
04:35:05 <elliott> monqy: That one's obviously joking.
04:35:09 <elliott> This one is less obviously so. :(
04:35:43 <monqy> I need a good quote overhyping grey rats before I edit {grey rat}
04:36:09 <elliott> OMG MY GREY RAT JUST KILLED EVERY MONSTER IN THE GAME AND THEN PERSONALLY STOLE THE ORB OF ZOT AND WON INSTEAD OF ME AND NOW I'M ITS PET INSTEAD
04:36:14 <elliott> yuroerlwer cleome
04:36:25 <elliott> also i'm wearing a helmet of clever
04:36:38 <monqy> elliott: consider learndb "improved"
04:36:53 <elliott> monqy: thanks
04:37:03 <elliott> you forgot my quote though (please don't add my quote)
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04:37:27 <elliott> b - a +2 plate armour of magic resistance 1629 gold
04:37:28 <elliott> mmmmmmm
04:37:32 <elliott> maybe i should rob a bank and then buy that
04:37:37 <monqy> plate of rC is better
04:37:44 <elliott> why is crawl's shop system boring you can't even steal
04:37:53 <monqy> MR is good too
04:38:00 <monqy> I guess MR is better if you already have enough rC
04:38:02 <elliott> i'll just
04:38:05 <elliott> add them both to my shopping list
04:38:06 <monqy> for you rF would be best since you're ghoule
04:38:10 <monqy> no don't get them boooth
04:38:14 <elliott> im not going to
04:38:15 <elliott> shopping list
04:38:16 <monqy> oh ok
04:38:17 <elliott> i cant remotely afford them
04:38:23 <elliott> they cost approximately their full price more than i can afford
04:38:26 <elliott> but you know
04:38:29 <elliott> if i ever end up rich
04:38:43 <elliott> remind me to remove those if i find plate armour i like
04:38:50 <elliott> hi, neil
04:39:03 <elliott> that's TeFe right
04:39:05 <elliott> don'tw ant to look stupid
04:39:07 <elliott> *don't want
04:39:22 <elliott> hmm, i don't actually know how to get dump with sequelle
04:39:29 <monqy> tefe yes
04:39:41 <monqy> use !log
04:39:47 <monqy> !log is short hand for !lg with the -log argument
04:40:55 <elliott> it
04:41:01 <elliott> looked harmless in the log
04:41:41 <elliott> sure could use a scroll of make everything ok righ tnow
04:41:42 <elliott> *right now
04:41:53 <monqy> did you die
04:41:53 <elliott> or was it a potion
04:42:12 <elliott> astonishingly,
04:42:12 <elliott> no
04:42:24 <elliott> fuuuck orcs
04:42:32 <elliott> uhhh
04:42:37 <elliott> maybe i'm tough enough to just rush it with this hp
04:43:19 <elliott> help monqy
04:43:28 <shubshub> who deleted my interpeeter?
04:43:35 <monqy> uhh
04:43:40 <elliott> it has ranged
04:43:42 <elliott> wepon
04:43:44 <monqy> if you're rushing it hit . instead of j
04:43:46 <monqy> oh rang
04:43:52 <monqy> uhhhh
04:43:52 <monqy> h
04:43:56 <monqy> do you have potiones
04:44:04 <monqy> oh
04:44:04 <elliott> "yes"
04:44:07 <monqy> uhe
04:44:13 <monqy> wande?
04:44:28 <elliott> "noe"
04:44:32 <elliott> "preemptive"
04:44:39 <monqy> oh
04:44:42 <monqy> uhh
04:44:47 <monqy> what do you have
04:45:11 <elliott> meat
04:45:19 <monqy> probably a bad idea
04:45:20 <elliott> oh poisoned darts
04:45:26 <elliott> instead of rushing it i could
04:45:26 <monqy> could throw a dart
04:45:28 <elliott> poison dart it
04:45:33 <elliott> until it arrives and then
04:45:34 <elliott> melee it
04:45:35 <elliott> hopefully
04:45:37 <monqy> yeah sure
04:45:44 <elliott> neate
04:45:48 <elliott> thankse monqy
04:45:53 <monqy> it can only have so many hand axes, and orcs are weak
04:47:09 <shubshub> is dwarf fortress on android?
04:47:24 <elliott> sigh
04:47:31 <shubshub> ...
04:47:39 <monqy> what did you do
04:47:41 <monqy> or uh
04:47:43 <elliott> i just don't like orc parties
04:47:43 <monqy> what happened to you
04:47:44 <monqy> oh
04:47:51 <elliott> hi, duvessa and dowan
04:48:26 <elliott> :(
04:48:45 <elliott> how fast are they again
04:49:25 <monqy> normal, until dowan hastes duvessa or duvessa berks because you killed dowan, or dowan hastes because you killed duvessa
04:49:38 <elliott> wow uh
04:49:41 <elliott> i don't know why i said fast
04:49:42 <elliott> oh for
04:49:44 <elliott> running away purposes
04:49:47 <elliott> second question
04:49:48 <elliott> should i run away
04:49:51 <monqy> maybe
04:49:58 <elliott> thanks
04:50:09 <ais523> I never had a problem with them, but maybe that's just me
04:50:13 <elliott> oh i have ?tele
04:50:20 <elliott> maybe i'll try and kill them and
04:50:22 <elliott> tele quickly
04:50:24 <monqy> if you kill dowan first and flee from the berk it will time out and duvessa wont berk again
04:50:34 <monqy> if you kill duvessa first, dowan will be upgraded forever
04:50:40 <elliott> monqy: fleeing berk sounds kinda hard
04:50:42 <elliott> ais523: i'm only xl6 though
04:50:50 <elliott> admittedly my uc is 8.5
04:50:55 <monqy> elliott: tele or carefully using stairs or meph or confuse etcetc
04:51:06 <elliott> monqy: well tele works but
04:51:09 <elliott> won't a few turns of berk kill me
04:51:11 <monqy> elliott: by carefully I mean "take the stairs before duvessa gets next to you"
04:51:17 <monqy> not really
04:51:19 <monqy> well
04:51:23 <monqy> maybe if you're real squishy
04:51:33 <elliott> oh there's a downstairs right there
04:51:37 <elliott> too bad it'll be uh
04:51:42 <elliott> inaccessible once i get fighting
04:51:54 <elliott> uurgh
04:51:58 <elliott> i was hoping dowan would come first
04:51:59 <monqy> usually they aren't that hard
04:52:08 <elliott> ill
04:52:11 <elliott> lure dowan up the stairs
04:52:12 <elliott> or does that not work
04:52:20 <monqy> it only works if you lure them both or one of thems dead
04:52:28 <elliott> well
04:52:37 <monqy> one fun thing to do is enslave one of them and get them to kill the other
04:52:45 <elliott> lovely
04:52:49 <elliott> i don't want them both to be able to fire at me right
04:52:50 <elliott> so
04:52:53 <monqy> I'v heard stories of polymorphing them into slime creatures and getting them to merge
04:52:58 <elliott> i don't really see how i could get to fighting dowan
04:53:01 <elliott> unless i
04:53:08 <elliott> lured them both up the stairs and found a chokepoint and got lucky but
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04:53:35 <monqy> you don't have to kill dowan first
04:54:12 <elliott> oh
04:54:13 <elliott> uhhh
04:54:17 <elliott> they're squishier than i expected
04:54:18 <monqy> which getting them both almost dead then killing them both quicky is also a good plane
04:54:21 <monqy> yes
04:54:21 <elliott> (i died to them once)
04:54:24 <monqy> oh
04:54:31 <elliott> when i encountered them like
04:54:32 <elliott> super early
04:54:44 <monqy> on muck or what
04:54:52 <elliott> might well have been, actually
04:55:00 <elliott> yum, elfe
04:55:48 <elliott> mmh
04:55:53 <elliott> i guess this might be ok if i train armour
04:56:04 <elliott> is EV 5 terrible
04:56:14 <monqy> train armour is a good idea
04:56:26 <elliott> swap back for now and keep training armour?
04:56:28 <monqy> you don't want to use heavy armour if you don't train armour or it will just be awful
04:56:38 <elliott> and then switch back when
04:56:40 <elliott> i'm armour
04:59:29 <elliott> yaey
05:00:11 <elliott> aww, no meph
05:00:21 <elliott> ooh ooh oooooh
05:00:35 <elliott> armour or jewellery maybe???
05:00:38 <elliott> ais523: which should i acquire
05:01:23 <ais523> jewellery used to be the only decent acquirement
05:01:29 <ais523> perhaps armor acquirement has been fixed soon
05:01:35 <ais523> *since
05:01:36 <elliott> monqy: has armour acquirement been fixed soon
05:01:37 <elliott> ais523: *armour
05:01:46 <monqy> what?
05:01:47 <ais523> oh right, Crawl has armour, NetHack has armor
05:01:54 <elliott> monqy: acquirement
05:01:56 <elliott> armour or jewellery
05:01:58 <monqy> what was broken about it
05:02:01 <elliott> oh
05:03:15 <elliott> ais523: what was borkne ambout it :(
05:03:18 <elliott> *broken about
05:03:37 <monqy> you can ask ##crawl about acq; im not really aware of its current state
05:03:46 <monqy> other than misc is laughable and that's why you should acquire misc
05:03:56 <ais523> elliott: what you ended up acquiring sucked
05:04:05 <monqy> ais523: that always happens
05:04:08 <elliott> 06:03 <Henzell> acquirement[2/3]: Q: What should I acquire? A: Wand. Or armour, or gold. Or, in rare cases, staff or jewellery. Or, in really rare cases, like you decided to do abyss with no food, food.
05:04:13 <monqy> ais523: it's one of acquirement's design goals
05:04:22 <elliott> :D
05:04:26 <elliott> oh man
05:04:27 <elliott> gloves
05:04:31 <monqy> yaey
05:04:32 <ais523> elliott: I guess armour, then, because presumably it's been buffed if it's mentioned as a good potion
05:04:35 <elliott> so glad i took 10 minutes to make that decision
05:04:40 <ais523> elliott: are they /good/ cloves/
05:04:51 <elliott> -2
05:04:54 <elliott> :D
05:04:56 <monqy> and on a ghoul no less
05:05:11 <monqy> looks like you just got crawl dev'd
05:05:15 <elliott> :'(
05:05:17 <monqy> :')
05:05:20 <elliott> :')
05:06:00 <elliott> monqy: oh yeah what level should i train armour to before spliting
05:06:01 <elliott> *splinting
05:06:10 <elliott> nooo
05:06:11 <elliott> electric eel
05:06:15 <monqy> I'd personally just put the splint on and train armour
05:06:22 <monqy> unless it lowers my ac or something
05:06:25 <monqy> "lazey"
05:06:37 <elliott> EV 9 to EV 6 is not very nice :( or is it
05:06:46 <monqy> you also got more ac!!
05:06:52 <elliott> it's true
05:06:53 <elliott> anyway
05:06:54 <elliott> electric eel
05:06:56 <elliott> time to set up an exclusion zone
05:07:07 <elliott> what's the key again
05:07:09 <monqy> e
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05:08:00 <elliott> thanks, autoexplore
05:08:27 <monqy> jellyfish the famous pushover
05:08:29 <elliott> what is an orc wizard doing in water
05:08:31 <elliott> monqy: yeah but
05:08:33 <elliott> electric eel in same pool
05:08:35 <monqy> not being in water
05:09:02 <elliott> what, i thought i had hw id'd
05:09:19 <monqy> is it not in \
05:09:25 <elliott> oh it is
05:09:26 <elliott> i just
05:09:27 <elliott> didn't have any
05:09:38 <elliott> hi, centaur
05:10:06 <elliott> uhhh
05:10:08 <elliott> what is that centaur doing
05:10:11 <elliott> is it trapped?
05:10:34 <monqy> centaurs can't over water
05:10:37 <monqy> by which i mean
05:10:39 <monqy> walk on water
05:10:45 <monqy> unless they have a +Lev weapon or something
05:10:51 <monqy> they can still shoot over water just fine
05:11:06 <monqy> you could confuse it
05:11:07 <monqy> so it'd drown
05:11:19 <elliott> goode idea
05:11:30 <monqy> don't die in the process
05:11:36 <elliott> wow i lost a lot of hp
05:11:46 <elliott> wtf
05:11:47 <monqy> fish hurt
05:12:00 <elliott> no kidding
05:12:01 <elliott> what's with that
05:12:19 <elliott> how do i remove exclusion
05:13:26 <monqy> e
05:13:37 <monqy> rather, e will reduce its size, and then e again will remove it
05:13:41 <monqy> and then e again will place it
05:14:06 <elliott> help
05:14:22 <monqy> it's pink if the exclusiones there
05:14:28 <monqy> just hit pinks until they stop being pikn
05:14:37 <monqy> or use ^E to clear exclusions
05:15:03 <elliott> thanks
05:15:14 <elliott> are jellyfish pushovers or
05:15:16 <elliott> were you kiddinge me
05:15:24 <monqy> jellyfish are indeed pushovers
05:16:15 <elliott> fuck
05:16:16 <elliott> electric
05:16:16 <elliott> eels
05:16:27 <elliott> maybe i should just skip this level
05:16:32 <elliott> except
05:16:35 <elliott> i think the temple is on this level
05:16:54 <elliott> because
05:16:58 <monqy> how much have you explored
05:16:59 <elliott> there's a few altars
05:17:16 <elliott> i think the stuff is
05:17:21 <elliott> hereabouts
05:17:31 <monqy> might be a secret door in that thing at the top
05:17:45 <monqy> to the up and right of your cursore
05:18:09 <elliott> thanks
05:18:23 <elliott> im fuckt
05:18:37 <monqy> only if ijyb has a gnasty wand
05:18:46 <elliott> 34 hp
05:18:49 <monqy> so?
05:18:52 <elliott> ok
05:18:56 <elliott> huh
05:19:07 <elliott> i misjudge how pushover things are because
05:19:11 <elliott> i fight them at different levels each time
05:20:34 <elliott> fml
05:20:41 <elliott> oh my god
05:20:42 <elliott> fuck this level
05:21:02 <elliott> what's oka like again
05:21:07 <elliott> ais523 was all bad for ghoul
05:21:09 <elliott> but monqy was all wronge
05:21:44 <monqy> personally oka doesn't excite me but
05:21:49 <monqy> maybe oka would excite you
05:22:00 <elliott> i remember a
05:22:03 <elliott> joke about renaming oka to default
05:22:10 <elliott> "jokes affect my opinion of crawle things"
05:22:17 <elliott> god i hate ogres
05:22:27 <monqy> they aren't so bad at this point are they
05:22:32 <elliott> yeah but
05:22:45 <monqy> have you found chei yet
05:22:46 <elliott> they're still the only common thing that can put a huge splodge of red on my hp bar in a turn or two
05:22:56 <elliott> wtf
05:22:57 <elliott> my EV's gone down
05:22:58 <elliott> i think
05:23:07 <monqy> no? it was at 6 las ti hcecked
05:23:10 <elliott> oh
05:23:10 <elliott> ok then
05:24:15 <elliott> TSOOOOOO
05:24:25 <elliott> sticks to snakes
05:24:28 <elliott> i
05:25:47 <elliott> i like how my running away just
05:25:52 <elliott> pummelled me with arrows
05:26:35 <elliott> nO
05:26:37 <elliott> FUCK YOU CRAWL
05:27:04 <elliott> eeeh
05:27:08 <elliott> monqy: can i survive a run to the >
05:27:44 <monqy> can't you go around?
05:27:46 <monqy> what's your xmap
05:27:50 <monqy> also is that temple
05:28:36 <monqy> also to get to the > you'd have to go through some plants
05:28:40 <monqy> which takes time
05:28:43 <monqy> so uh
05:28:47 <monqy> just go to temple
05:29:22 <elliott> didn't notice temple oops
05:29:37 <monqy> chei!
05:29:41 <elliott> :(
05:31:08 <monqy> xome
05:31:15 <elliott> makh or ashe
05:31:35 <monqy> if you're alternating: makh
05:31:39 <monqy> if you're asheing: ashe
05:31:44 <elliott> well
05:31:48 <elliott> i liked how i didn't have to do anything for ashe
05:31:51 <elliott> but
05:31:57 <elliott> maybe makh's fighting abilities matter to me more than see invis?
05:32:12 <elliott> what auto-iding can ashey do for me
05:32:18 <monqy> idk stuff
05:33:01 <elliott> what
05:33:04 <elliott> will it id scrolls for me
05:33:47 <monqy> i dont know ashe stuff
05:33:56 <monqy> ask ##crawl
05:34:32 <elliott> okey
05:35:31 <elliott> monqy: does equipment include scrolls and potions
05:35:38 <monqy> idk
05:35:43 <elliott> :(
05:37:03 <elliott> The runed arrow hits you! You blink.
05:37:05 <elliott> uhhhhhhh
05:37:11 <monqy> dispersal
05:37:23 <elliott> my hp is
05:37:24 <elliott> scary
05:38:21 <elliott> maybe i should downstairs
05:38:24 <monqy> perhaps
05:38:49 <elliott> fuck
05:38:51 <elliott> help :(
05:38:52 <monqy> did you really
05:38:53 <monqy> throw a dart
05:38:55 <elliott> yes im
05:38:57 <elliott> kind of dumb
05:38:57 <monqy> read fog
05:39:06 <monqy> ugh fine read fear
05:39:06 <elliott> next option
05:39:12 <elliott> ok uhhh
05:39:14 <monqy> then get to the door
05:39:16 <elliott> can i run up to it and melee it now
05:39:16 <monqy> and close it
05:39:16 <elliott> oh
05:39:28 <elliott> will it fire arrows if it's fleeing
05:39:32 <monqy> no
05:39:36 <monqy> once it stops fleeing though yes
05:39:43 <elliott> oops
05:39:48 <elliott> will it stop fleeing if i run up to it :(
05:40:00 <monqy> it's fast so you won't be able to close distance like that until it stops fleeing anyway
05:40:07 <elliott> ha
05:40:08 <elliott> ha
05:40:08 <elliott> ha
05:40:09 <elliott> if i hadn't
05:40:13 <monqy> read fear again
05:40:13 <elliott> accidentally prayed
05:40:21 <monqy> woops
05:40:22 <monqy> heal
05:40:32 <monqy> up
05:40:38 <elliott> as in
05:40:40 <monqy> k
05:40:40 <elliott> go ^?
05:40:47 <elliott> done
05:40:51 <monqy> k
05:40:56 <elliott> wow
05:40:57 <elliott> that wa
05:40:57 <elliott> s
05:40:57 <monqy> close
05:40:58 <elliott> convenient
05:41:06 <monqy> have chunks?
05:41:12 <elliott> run to upstairs i guess?
05:41:13 <monqy> ok uhhh
05:41:22 <monqy> running might be a ba didea
05:41:25 <monqy> since the centaur will find you
05:41:51 <monqy> since it's fast
05:41:55 <ion> When he opens the door, maybe you can melee him.
05:42:02 <elliott> 36 hp
05:42:05 <elliott> otoh i do have curing
05:42:08 <elliott> one
05:42:08 <elliott> curing
05:42:10 <ion> Ok :-\
05:42:15 <elliott> i do have might i guess
05:42:20 <ion> good
05:42:24 <monqy> quafe agility too
05:42:28 <monqy> for the dodg
05:42:29 <elliott> curing then agility?
05:42:35 <monqy> sure
05:42:45 <elliott> and might?
05:43:02 <ion> If i had to choose between dying to a shooting c and dying while meleeing a c, i’d try my luck with the latter one.
05:43:07 <ion> DRINK ALL THE POTIONS
05:43:08 <monqy> might isn't as important since by the time it matters you're already distyanceclosed
05:43:19 <elliott> yeah but
05:43:22 <elliott> 46 hp so
05:43:30 <elliott> centaurs can be pretty bad even in melee sometimes???
05:43:32 <elliott> this one seems to be
05:43:32 <elliott> tough
05:43:36 <elliott> if it has that kind of weponry
05:43:38 <monqy> ok whatever if you aren't confident in your centaurkilling ability by now uquaff it
05:44:10 <elliott> oh fine
05:44:18 <elliott> ok i guess it wasn't necessary
05:44:26 <elliott> im picking up these arrows so that nobody else does
05:45:00 <elliott> oh man what a ringe
05:45:09 <elliott> hey royale jele
05:45:22 <ion> Almost nothing is cursed. :-(
05:45:28 <elliott> yeah i
05:45:29 <elliott> just became an ashey
05:45:42 <elliott> oops
05:47:32 <ion> When @.x where x is some melee monster, don’t move toward him, press dot and let him move one step toward you. You’ll get the first punch.
05:47:56 <monqy> don't do that if x has a polearms
05:48:08 <monqy> or a whipe of reaching
05:48:09 <elliott> gourmande
05:48:14 <elliott> ion: yeah sometimes i just
05:48:16 <elliott> rush things though
05:48:18 <elliott> because i hate them
05:48:21 <monqy> gourmande on ghouls makes you pretend all chunks are rotten
05:48:28 <elliott> You feel a craving for the dungeon's cuisine.
05:48:28 <elliott> yume
05:48:48 <ion> That would be a good name for a restaurant.
05:48:57 <elliott> in a bdsm dungeon
05:49:02 <elliott> or just
05:49:04 <elliott> a regular dungeon i guess
05:49:06 <elliott> "either workse"
05:49:14 <elliott> yay, trolles
05:49:25 <monqy> mcdonalds ball and slide dungeon
05:49:31 <elliott> yes
05:49:33 <elliott> uhhh
05:49:34 <elliott> why are trolls yellow
05:49:37 <elliott> i thought they're scarey
05:49:46 <monqy> you mean the mlist?
05:49:53 <monqy> don't trust the mlist colours
05:49:57 <monqy> it was a horrible addition
05:50:11 <monqy> it's so misleading
05:50:31 <elliott> uugh
05:50:34 <elliott> maybe i'll just
05:50:34 <elliott> confuse it
05:50:38 <elliott> then beat the crap out of it
05:50:41 <monqy> sure
05:50:47 <ion> monqy: Huh. I haven’t had any problems with the colors. I like them.
05:51:19 <monqy> ion: most of the time it works, but in those cases you already know the difficulties of stuff at least as precisely as the mlist colours them
05:51:26 <elliott> wow what is it with the wandes on this floor
05:51:31 <monqy> ion: but there are cases where it's way off
05:51:36 <monqy> ion: like eyeballs and boggarts
05:51:46 <monqy> ion: so you can't trust it if you don't know the difficulty of something already
05:51:49 <monqy> ion: so it's useless
05:52:14 <elliott> are bo of beasts good
05:52:16 <elliott> *box
05:52:17 <monqy> no
05:52:25 <elliott> 06:52 <Henzell> box of beasts[1/1]: Your own mobile petting zoo! Evoke to release a beast. If the evocation was unsuccessful, there is a 1 in 6 chance that the box will turn into a simple empty ebony casket. Succeeds (60 + evo)/100. Hostile: 1/(evo+5). Bat, hound, jackal, rat, ice beast, snake, yak, butterfly, water moccasin, crocodile, or hell hound (if not worshipping a good god).
05:52:28 <elliott> that sounds like fune thoughe!!!
05:52:32 <monqy> sure use it
05:52:50 <elliott> ok i wont because you said no
05:52:54 <monqy> no it's fine
05:52:55 <ion> doooo it
05:52:57 <monqy> decide for yourself
05:52:59 <monqy> do it do it
05:53:01 <elliott> i
05:53:03 <elliott> feel like i am being
05:53:04 <monqy> using misc items is cool
05:53:08 <elliott> "trolle'd"
05:53:10 <monqy> no
05:53:11 <elliott> monqy: that sounds like
05:53:12 <elliott> sarceasme
05:53:21 <monqy> you asked if it's good; the answer is no. should you use it? yes.
05:53:23 <ion> særcæsme
05:53:34 <shachaf> elliott: Did what?
05:53:41 <elliott> well
05:53:42 <elliott> i have it now
05:53:44 <elliott> maybe i'll use it on zot:5
05:53:48 <shachaf> Ruined monqy's hiing? :-(
05:53:57 <shachaf> monqy: "is it true"
05:53:58 <elliott> excuse me monqy laugh at the implication there please
05:54:11 <monqy> oh, that one?
05:54:12 <monqy> ha
05:54:12 <monqy> ha
05:54:12 <monqy> ha
05:54:13 <monqy> ha
05:54:15 <monqy> ha
05:54:18 <monqy> shachaf: hey
05:54:20 <monqy> shachaf: what?
05:54:32 <elliott> what
05:54:38 <elliott> oh
05:54:39 <elliott> hiing
05:54:41 <shachaf> amonqy: "did shachaf ruine your hiing"
05:54:49 <ion> elliott: Next time try a deep elf summoner. They’re fun in the beginning.
05:54:52 <elliott> quasit more like quashit
05:54:56 <elliott> just saying
05:55:00 <shachaf> ion: I've been playing DESu!
05:55:07 <elliott> _p - a scroll labeled ZEODGH YTODONIT {tried}
05:55:13 <monqy> shachaf: I thought you didn't play crawl
05:55:15 <elliott> i was gonna make a pun here but
05:55:19 <elliott> it didn't work
05:55:22 <shachaf> monqy: I play it on
05:55:23 <shachaf> localhost
05:55:25 <monqy> no
05:55:26 <monqy> bad
05:55:27 <monqy> stop
05:55:28 <monqy> dont
05:55:36 <shachaf> Crawl version 0.10.2
05:55:37 <shachaf> on
05:55:37 <elliott> are you going to tell me to hack and back them
05:55:38 <shachaf> localhost
05:55:38 <elliott> because
05:55:40 <elliott> `quote hack and back
05:55:42 <HackEgo> 839) <Sgeo> hack and back? <Patashu> works on anything much slower than you <monqy> at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" <Patashu> am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink <monqy> i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes
05:56:06 <monqy> elliott: hack and back what
05:56:12 <elliott> well
05:56:15 <elliott> what were you going to suggest
05:56:21 <monqy> w/r/t what?
05:56:32 <ion> Did you open the box of breasts yet?
05:56:52 <elliott> monqy: i thought you were upset about me whacking the goliath bettle
05:57:05 <monqy> I wasn't watching
05:57:09 <monqy> did you hack and back it :(
05:57:11 <elliott> no
05:57:13 <elliott> i just whacked it
05:57:15 <elliott> and then you went no stop dont
05:57:17 <monqy> whacking is fine
05:57:21 <monqy> no that was
05:57:23 <monqy> to shachef
05:57:27 <ion> whacking is fine –monqy, 2012
05:57:30 <elliott> for... playing on localhost?
05:57:34 <shachaf> "shachef, paraphrased"
05:57:52 <elliott> ha
05:57:54 <elliott> that was nice
05:57:58 <shachaf> monqy: draw a self protrait of me :'(
05:58:01 <ion> `quote <elliott> i just whacked it <monqy> whacking is fine
05:58:04 <HackEgo> No output.
05:58:12 <elliott> it's `addquote
05:58:14 <ion> whatsthecommand
05:58:26 <ion> `addquote <elliott> i just whacked it <monqy> whacking is fine
05:58:30 <HackEgo> 851) <elliott> i just whacked it <monqy> whacking is fine
05:58:42 <elliott> is that two spaces between the messages?
05:58:46 <monqy> yes
05:58:47 <elliott> good
05:59:00 <shachaf> two spaces = the greatest evile
05:59:08 <ion> greateste
05:59:08 <elliott> neet, wand of digeing
05:59:23 <monqy> shachaf: what do you look like, this is necessary for any good self portrait
05:59:48 <elliott> does shachaf know what self means
06:00:05 <elliott> golly
06:00:06 <elliott> a spere trap
06:00:11 <shachaf> elliott: yes
06:00:11 <monqy> gosh
06:00:18 <elliott> guess ill
06:00:19 <shachaf> elliott: it meanse a portrait monqy draws of me
06:00:19 <elliott> shake it
06:00:34 <shachaf> elliott: When you drew "sahchef, paraphrased" that was also a self portrait.
06:00:38 <shachaf> remembere?
06:00:41 <elliott> kobold of ely
06:00:53 <elliott> man
06:00:57 <elliott> where is all the shit in this dunjon
06:00:57 <ion> ^O
06:01:23 <elliott> ion: can't
06:01:28 <ion> ಠ_ಠ
06:01:31 <elliott> help
06:01:39 <elliott> help
06:02:36 <ion> Zombies art slowe. Hydras, not so slowe.
06:02:42 <elliott> help
06:02:46 <elliott> monqy: help
06:02:51 <ion> What do you have?
06:02:56 <elliott> help
06:03:04 <monqy> are you in a pickle
06:03:08 <elliott> hydra here
06:03:11 <elliott> rock troll zombie down there
06:03:59 <elliott> do you want to see
06:04:00 <elliott> itemse
06:04:32 <elliott> help :(
06:05:08 <ion> You can escape stuff by blinking. And you can try to confuse the hydra and blast it with fire for instance.
06:05:53 <elliott> monqy: should i melee hydra
06:06:01 <shachaf> monqy: draw a self protaraite of me ;'(
06:06:08 <monqy> shachaf: ok
06:06:11 <monqy> elliott: proably not
06:06:13 <shachaf> yay
06:06:19 <elliott> monqy: i have glove
06:06:24 <monqy> elliott: what's on your screne
06:06:25 <elliott> oh
06:06:26 <elliott> -2 globe
06:06:28 <elliott> glove
06:06:31 <monqy> i havent seeeen
06:06:44 <monqy> i wouldnt want to mele it
06:06:48 -!- ais523 has quit.
06:06:52 <monqy> if you do mele, definitely use glov
06:06:58 <elliott> if i dont melee then?? :(
06:07:01 <elliott> confuse?? fire??
06:07:02 <monqy> and if you do mele, soften it up from afar with wands, rather than charging it
06:07:06 <monqy> if you dont melee, run away
06:07:08 <shachaf> WELCOME TO MELEE ISLAND
06:07:08 <monqy> it's still wandering
06:07:11 <elliott> yes but
06:07:12 <monqy> you can skip the leve
06:07:13 <monqy> l
06:07:14 <elliott> if i run downstairs then
06:07:17 <elliott> oh
06:07:17 <shachaf> elliott: does crawle have melee island
06:07:20 <elliott> where's that zombie
06:07:29 <elliott> there it is
06:07:31 <elliott> it
06:07:33 <elliott> hits pretty hard
06:07:39 <ion> elliott: What’s wrong with your ^O?
06:07:46 <elliott> ion: entering it does nothing
06:08:10 <ion> Do other ctrl commands work?
06:08:14 <elliott> yes
06:08:17 <elliott> ^O has some special terminal meaning
06:08:42 <ion> Try telnetting to the server instead of sshing for shits and giggles. :-)
06:08:48 <elliott> I do telnet to the server.
06:08:55 <ion> Try sshing to the server instead of telnetting for shits and giggles. :-)
06:08:56 <elliott> Does CDO even offer ssh?
06:09:12 <elliott> I want to be able to mosh to the server. :(
06:09:27 <monqy> it offers ssh yes
06:09:32 <elliott> "Yes, telnet on Mac OS X is blocking ^O" -- sigh.
06:09:41 <elliott> *o does it.
06:09:43 <shachaf> tel net to stop it
06:09:50 <shachaf> net: stop blocking ^O
06:10:22 <elliott> uhhh
06:10:27 <elliott> should i recharge confusion or digging hmmm
06:10:39 <ion> They have the most insane ssh setuppe. Get the private key from <http://crawl.akrasiac.org/cao_key> and log in using ssh -o IdentityFile=cao_key crawl@crawl.develz.org
06:10:46 <elliott> That's CAO.
06:10:52 <ion> yes
06:10:58 <elliott> They use the CAO key for CDO?
06:11:03 <ion> yes
06:11:08 <elliott> O kay.
06:12:05 <elliott> 07:11 <Henzell> scroll of amnesia[1/1]: Added in 0.8 along with the removal of the selective amnesia spell. Same rarity as enchant armour so expect around a dozen at zot.
06:12:08 <elliott> But what does it *do*?
06:13:09 <ion> Lets you forget a spell.
06:13:17 <elliott> Come on!
06:13:18 <ion> .ssh/config: http://hpaste.org/67953
06:13:20 <elliott> Curse weapon is useless for me. :(
06:13:40 <elliott> 07:13 <Henzell> pressure plate[1/1]: A mystery trap whose function is defined in lua
06:13:41 <elliott> help
06:13:50 <elliott> should i steppe on it
06:14:00 <ion> Ooh, i’ve never seen one.
06:14:34 <elliott> monqy: helpe
06:15:54 <Madoka-Kaname> http://pastebin.com/iRne5Swh
06:16:00 <Madoka-Kaname> I made a Underload -> Scala compiler for some reason...
06:16:00 <monqy> elliott: what hapn
06:16:05 <shachaf> monqy: helpe eliote
06:16:06 <elliott> monqy: pressure plate trape
06:16:32 <elliott> should i
06:16:33 <elliott> steppe on it
06:16:35 <elliott> its mysterye
06:16:46 <Madoka-Kaname> elliott, no, break the block under it.
06:16:51 <elliott> its not mencretrft
06:16:54 <Madoka-Kaname> Oh.
06:17:12 * Madoka-Kaname knocks the alcohol out of elliott
06:17:17 <elliott> its not alcohol
06:17:20 <elliott> its monqy influence
06:17:25 <elliott> oh
06:17:27 <elliott> hi
06:17:37 <elliott> why don't they build these things with chokepoints
06:18:17 <elliott> eeeh
06:18:25 <elliott> monqy: is this a volte thing
06:19:35 <monqy> yes
06:19:47 <monqy> maybe it used to be a bailey entry
06:19:52 <monqy> but bailey went beyebye
06:19:56 <elliott> what was bailey :(
06:19:58 <monqy> maybe it wasnt baile
06:20:01 <monqy> wjho knows
06:20:08 <elliott> maybe monqy??
06:20:47 <elliott> fuck
06:20:50 <elliott> fucking fuck fuck fuck
06:20:55 <Madoka-Kaname> elliott, you would be free to add a (really messy) underload compiler to the wiki page, right?
06:21:16 <monqy> just run up to it and kill it
06:21:18 <elliott> Madoka-Kaname: that stuff generally goes in the file archive but sure (but it should probably go on a user page)
06:21:21 <monqy> you're way too afraid of lectirc eels
06:21:25 <elliott> monqy: they hurte!!!
06:21:30 <elliott> huh
06:21:45 <Madoka-Kaname> I don't /have/ a user page...
06:21:57 <elliott> awwww no
06:22:02 <elliott> Madoka-Kaname: what's your username
06:22:03 <elliott> just create
06:22:07 <elliott> User:username/Underload to Scala compiler
06:22:08 <elliott> or whatever
06:22:11 <elliott> and link it from the Underload page
06:22:26 <elliott> oh come on!!!
06:22:38 <elliott> aaaaah
06:23:32 <Madoka-Kaname> elliott, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#External_resources
06:23:39 <Madoka-Kaname> There's only this for links...
06:24:07 <elliott> ehh, I guess it can count as "external"
06:24:10 <elliott> but you could just put it in the file archive
06:24:27 <elliott> monqy: since when are yaks kinda weak
06:24:52 <monqy> since ghmo
06:25:39 <elliott> whats ghmo got to do with yake
06:25:40 <elliott> also
06:25:44 <elliott> stuff is starting to get scary again :(
06:25:52 <Madoka-Kaname> elliott, is the file archive up for public uploading? ><
06:26:03 <elliott> Madoka-Kaname: see http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/
06:26:23 <elliott> aaaaah
06:26:24 <elliott> bees
06:26:41 <elliott> fuck
06:26:44 <elliott> I thought I had poison resistance
06:26:56 <monqy> you do
06:26:59 <elliott> oh
06:26:59 <elliott> ghoul
06:27:08 <elliott> wow that was easy
06:27:12 <elliott> ghouls are gr8
06:28:12 <elliott> uhhhh
06:28:15 <elliott> thanks, autoexplore
06:29:03 <elliott> uuugh
06:29:06 <elliott> fucking cyclos
06:29:09 <elliott> cyclops
06:29:46 <elliott> monqy: pickle time
06:29:55 <ion> nice
06:30:20 <elliott> maybe i'll quaff curing and lumber over to the cyclops
06:30:26 <monqy> elliott: oh no
06:30:27 <ion> Can you teleport?
06:30:30 <ion> blink?
06:30:37 <ion> BLINK!
06:30:38 <elliott> i can blonk
06:30:41 <monqy> shachaf: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png
06:30:41 <elliott> what are
06:30:43 <elliott> cyclopses really scary
06:30:53 <ion> Blink behind the oooooo and run away perhaps.
06:30:54 <elliott> monqy: christ that's beautiful
06:30:56 <shachaf> zomg
06:31:08 <shachaf> elliott: monqy's self portrait of me > your self portrait of me
06:31:10 <elliott> ion: dumb
06:31:19 <elliott> i guess ill escape downstairs
06:31:24 <shachaf> elliott: it's even like french and stuff
06:31:29 <shachaf> paraphrasé
06:31:39 <shachaf> and there's a duck thing
06:31:41 <shachaf> and a flower thing
06:32:18 <elliott> how scary are cyclopses
06:32:35 <monqy> imagine an ogre that throws rocks which are also ogres
06:32:43 <Sgeo> monqy, elliott has been updated
06:33:31 <elliott> oops
06:33:32 <elliott> im burden
06:33:42 <elliott> i guess nothing's likely to pick those up uhhh
06:33:44 <elliott> can i sort by weight
06:34:05 <shachaf> monqy: do the ogre rocks throw rocks
06:34:07 <shachaf> or ogres
06:34:47 <elliott> what's uh
06:34:50 <elliott> what's up with my inventory weight
06:34:53 <elliott> im not carrying anything super heavy??
06:35:02 <ion> The flesh.
06:35:03 <elliott> except foode i guess
06:35:08 <elliott> ill drop sheep
06:35:13 <ion> sheeppe
06:35:28 <elliott> is troll hide good fo ranything
06:35:54 <ion> Look at its description. The short answer: probably not.
06:36:04 <elliott> mmmm
06:36:07 <elliott> stiff and knobbly
06:36:09 <elliott> *for anything
06:36:16 <elliott> I
06:36:16 <elliott> suppose you could wear it if you really wanted to, although you probably want
06:36:16 <elliott> to enchant it into proper armour first.
06:36:18 <elliott> :D
06:36:27 <ion> Enchanting it provides some regeneration IIRC.
06:36:45 <ion> Perhaps it was at AC+4 or something like that.
06:37:23 <elliott> what is UP with these branches
06:37:33 <monqy> you already saw orc
06:37:35 <ion> If you’re a lighte armoure guy, it myghte be usefulle.
06:37:39 <monqy> lair is max depth 13
06:37:39 <elliott> monqy: huh??
06:37:43 <elliott> i did not see orcish mines
06:37:46 <monqy> elliott: yes you did
06:37:49 <monqy> elliott: you saw the entry vault
06:37:51 <elliott> Search for what [Enter for "mines", or ? for help]? orcish mines
06:37:52 <elliott> _Can't find anything matching that.
06:37:52 <monqy> elliott: it had an eel
06:37:56 <ion> ssh there and hit ^O
06:37:57 <monqy> elliott: check xmap
06:38:05 <ion> And hit ^G now
06:38:07 <elliott> ion: as I said, asterisk o works
06:38:20 <monqy> elliott: you didn't see the staircase but you saw the entry vault
06:38:26 <elliott> monqy: which dlvl?
06:38:27 <monqy> it'll be on your Xmap
06:38:29 <monqy> I forget
06:38:38 <elliott> i dunno how to find it with the Xmap
06:38:40 <monqy> [
06:38:47 <elliott> also did you draw that duck it's beautiful
06:38:50 <monqy> yes
06:38:54 <elliott> monqy: i don't know what the entry vault looks like
06:39:13 <monqy> i used to be better at drawing but i'm so out of practice and my tablet is like weird so the pen thing moves faster horizontally than diagonally
06:39:17 <monqy> up again
06:39:20 <monqy> i;ll know what level it is
06:39:21 <elliott> can you draw me a self-portrait :(
06:39:24 <monqy> yes
06:39:27 <elliott> ok prepare for
06:39:29 <elliott> scrollening
06:39:37 <elliott> is it this
06:39:38 <monqy> that one
06:39:38 <monqy> yes
06:39:42 <elliott> ok well
06:39:43 <elliott> level 6
06:39:45 <elliott> i'll go there after lair
06:39:59 <elliott> oh this level has a bunch of centaurs
06:40:15 <elliott> lol
06:40:15 <Madoka-Kaname> ^ul ^
06:40:16 <fungot> ...out of stack!
06:40:22 <elliott> poor guy
06:40:32 <ion> I like shachaf.png.
06:40:42 <elliott> ion: did you see shachef.png before it
06:40:45 <ion> no
06:40:53 <shachaf> shachaf.png > shachef.png
06:41:03 <elliott> wow i get to choose which armour to curse
06:41:06 <elliott> uhhh
06:41:11 <elliott> the splint i guess
06:41:12 <elliott> "for now"
06:41:14 <elliott> oh wait
06:41:16 <elliott> im good enough to use plate now
06:41:17 <elliott> oh well
06:41:27 <monqy> wheres shachef.png i don't have it
06:41:28 <elliott> ion: here:
06:41:34 <elliott> http://ompldr.org/vZDhvag/shachef.png
06:41:35 <Madoka-Kaname> ^ul (a)S^
06:41:35 <fungot> a ...out of stack!
06:41:49 <elliott> monqy: you too
06:42:10 <ion> Too bad i don’t know the context for shachef, paraphrased.
06:42:16 <Madoka-Kaname> ^ul (<CTCP>ACTION hugs elliott<CTCP>)S
06:42:16 * fungot hugs elliott
06:42:20 <elliott> ion: There is no context whatsoever.
06:42:38 <elliott> shachaf has this logo thing that I crudely attempted to imitate, and someone said paraphrasing shachef or something at one point.
06:43:02 <elliott> The Bonzi Buddy thing has no context except shachaf or someone mentioned it shortly before I started doing the self-portrait.
06:43:16 <elliott> bOOZE!!!!
06:43:36 <elliott> wait, that's a *single* potion of heal wounds?
06:44:41 <elliott> monqy: i dont want to be diseased
06:44:44 <ion> BREAKING NEWS http://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/23/next-generation-iphone-part-leaks-begin-with-home-buttons/ http://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/01/claimed-iphone-5-sim-card-tray-appears-identical-to-iphone-4s/
06:45:08 <elliott> ion: lmao
06:45:09 <monqy> elliott: ghouls cant
06:45:10 <monqy> elliott: dont wory
06:45:24 <elliott> monqy: man ghouls need nerfing or something
06:45:28 <elliott> they're perfect
06:45:35 <shachaf> ion: IS THAT BOLD FULLWIDTH TEXT?!
06:45:45 <elliott> wow
06:45:59 <elliott> im not used to battles with hill giants not ending with me nearly dead
06:46:00 <ion> SHACHAF: YES!
06:46:26 <elliott> monqy: so this thing is mephitic cloud: the monster
06:46:27 <monqy> ghouls don't have to worry about meph either
06:46:28 <elliott> you must love it
06:46:36 <monqy> yes you can use it to confuse the iguana
06:46:51 <elliott> poor iguana
06:47:30 <elliott> uh oh
06:47:35 <elliott> what could it BE
06:48:15 <shachaf> ion: w°ah
06:48:29 <elliott> oh is that
06:48:31 <elliott> that thing
06:48:35 <elliott> the invisible annoying things
06:49:15 <elliott> monqy: is it that thing
06:49:41 <elliott> help
06:50:00 <ion> I think it was called an unseen horror.
06:50:14 <monqy> probably unseen horrore
06:50:35 <elliott> yes help
06:50:41 <elliott> im losing hp
06:51:12 <elliott> ;_;
06:51:25 <kmc> holy fuck, apple replaces round home button with rounded square
06:51:37 <kmc> This changes everything. Again.
06:51:49 <monqy> elliott: chokepoint it or something
06:52:02 <elliott> i dont think there are any choke points
06:52:12 <shachaf> kmc: Did you see monqy's self-portrait of me?
06:52:17 <elliott> i could go here but it'd just go around
06:52:20 <shachaf> It was even better than elliott's.
06:52:20 <kmc> yes
06:52:50 <shachaf> I bet kmc wishes he had a self-portrait drawn by monqy.
06:53:01 <elliott> im getting a self-portrait drawn by monqy
06:53:07 <ion> s/self/nude/
06:53:09 <elliott> oh there
06:53:56 <elliott> yikes
06:54:17 <elliott> ahahaha
06:54:20 <ion> Still **.... :-(
06:54:39 <elliott> ion: didnt find any curse stuff
06:54:39 <elliott> uhhh
06:54:42 <elliott> maybe i should just tab spam these guys
06:54:48 <ion> If you think you can melee them, go to the middle quickly. That’ll be better than letting them blast you from the distance.
06:54:59 <elliott> tab spam wins again
06:55:29 <ion> That worked, but you might have done the go-to-the-middle thing to get out of it with even more HP left. :-)
06:55:45 <elliott> oh bugger
06:55:46 <elliott> uhhh
06:55:50 <elliott> do i still have to worry about this guy at xl11
06:56:41 <ion> Look at its description with x. I’m not sure how reliable that is, but i noticed it says something how bad the enemy is.
06:56:49 <ion> x=v
06:57:52 <ion> The “He looks extremely dangerous” part. I have no idea whether your level affects it, though.
06:57:56 <elliott> 07:57 <Gretell> Gastronok (j) | Spd: 5 | Int: normal (starting) | HD: 20 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 2/1 | Dam: 40 | Fl: amphibious, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: magic(80), drown | Chunks: poison | XP: 2131 | Sp: airstrike (0-50), slow, swiftness, small mammals, cantrip.
06:57:57 <elliott> ouch
06:58:03 <ion> Also, x=v is nicer than xhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhv
06:58:14 <elliott> specifically the HP and Dam parts
06:58:30 <elliott> ill just run to the lair
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06:59:15 <monqy> hastronok probably wouldn't be too tough for your character
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06:59:28 <elliott> ill train up in the lair first
06:59:32 <monqy> sure fine
06:59:33 <elliott> uhh when does the lair start getting scary again
06:59:36 <elliott> 7 right
06:59:56 <elliott> wow
07:00:34 <shachaf> hi may 02
07:00:54 <elliott> 08:00 <Henzell> black mamba[1/3]: Very fast snake that does a lot of damage and can inflict multiple levels of poisoning with one bite. Extremely dangerous, but susceptible to resistible magic, such as wands of paralysis, confusion, slowing, and disintegration.
07:00:55 <elliott> i like how
07:00:57 <elliott> "extremely dangerous"
07:00:59 <elliott> and it shows in yellow
07:01:07 <elliott> i guess it's less dangerous with rPois though
07:02:26 <elliott> Maybe I should train something else too.
07:02:46 <elliott> Nice door.
07:03:41 <elliott> >100 hp \o/
07:03:42 <myndzi> |
07:03:42 <myndzi> |\
07:04:30 <elliott> Great place to run, griffon.
07:05:52 <elliott> I guess I don't really need three wands of random effects.
07:06:35 <elliott> Sigh.
07:06:57 <elliott> Wow, 90 dam.
07:07:02 <elliott> Euhhh
07:07:15 <elliott> Maybe I should run back up and face Gastronok.
07:08:28 <elliott> monqy: :(
07:08:30 <elliott> @time monqy
07:08:31 <lambdabot> Local time for monqy is Wed May 2 00:08:31 2012
07:08:39 <elliott> happy 00:08:31
07:11:27 <monqy> hey
07:11:32 <monqy> sure
07:11:38 <monqy> 5headed isn't too bad either
07:11:42 <monqy> if you have gloves you can probably take it
07:11:47 <elliott> yeah but
07:11:48 <monqy> oh, ew
07:11:49 <elliott> that's 90 dam :(
07:11:51 <monqy> what
07:11:52 <monqy> no
07:11:56 <elliott> 08:06 <Gretell> hydra (D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | Int: insect | HD: 13 | HP: 54-91 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | Fl: amphibious, regen | Res: magic(52), poison, drown | Chunks: poison+contam | XP: 1215.
07:11:57 <monqy> each head checks your ac
07:12:01 <elliott> 18*5 = 90
07:12:01 <elliott> oh
07:12:14 <monqy> 1d18 - 1d19 (factoring in -1 from glov)
07:12:15 <elliott> i guess the -2 is
07:12:16 <elliott> problematic
07:12:19 <elliott> -2 frmo globe
07:12:21 <elliott> velo
07:12:22 <monqy> no
07:12:23 <monqy> +1 -2
07:12:25 <monqy> = -1
07:12:28 <elliott> oh
07:12:36 <monqy> so really you're pretty darn safe vs hydra
07:12:43 <monqy> ok i take that back
07:12:51 <elliott> your calculations were in error
07:12:58 <elliott> ugh, no HW?
07:13:04 <monqy> blinkk?
07:13:28 <elliott> ugh can i
07:13:30 <elliott> look at Xmap while blink
07:14:12 <elliott> monqy: how fast are hydrae?
07:14:21 <monqy> normal speed except in water (then they're fast)
07:14:34 <monqy> do you have any better armour?
07:14:44 <elliott> i have plate mail
07:14:49 <elliott> it's only +0 though
07:14:55 <monqy> if it improves your ac, use it
07:14:57 <elliott> my splint mail is +4
07:14:59 <elliott> so
07:15:00 <elliott> i doubt it would
07:15:03 <monqy> it may or may not improve your ac
07:15:08 <elliott> and i'm not going to experiment to find out in these conditions
07:15:12 <elliott> ok, blonked
07:15:16 <monqy> well of course not right now
07:15:20 <monqy> changing armour would be certain death
07:15:26 <elliott> ok ill
07:15:28 <shachaf> I WAS KILLED BY A HYDRA ONCE*
07:15:28 <elliott> leg for the <
07:15:34 <shachaf> * MANY TIMES
07:15:38 <elliott> bother to close door?
07:17:39 <elliott> monqy:
07:17:47 <monqy> yes
07:18:25 <elliott> 19/6
07:18:28 <elliott> oh
07:18:40 <elliott> monqy: i could remove curse to check if plate mail would help but
07:18:45 <elliott> ashey
07:19:00 <elliott> i was waiting until i got enchant armour scrolls to switch
07:19:22 <monqy> ok
07:19:39 <elliott> do hydrae heal
07:19:47 <monqy> quickly, yes
07:19:50 <elliott> sigh
07:20:01 <elliott> ill go have fun with thingybob
07:20:19 <elliott> oh wait
07:20:20 <elliott> this is lair
07:21:14 <elliott> 08:21 <Henzell> deep elf priest[1/1]: Notable abilities: Can smite, animate dead, die
07:21:17 <elliott> the die thing makes me think they're
07:21:19 <elliott> not very stronge???
07:22:15 <elliott> 08:22 <Gretell> deep elf priest (e) | Spd: 10 | Int: high (items) | HD: 5 | HP: 16-30 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 9 | Fl: evil | Res: magic(40) | Vul: holy | Chunks: contam | XP: 136 | Sp: pain (d10), cantrip, minor healing, smiting (7-17), twisted resurrection.
07:22:16 <elliott> lol
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07:24:46 <elliott> monqy: so uh
07:24:49 <elliott> any hydrae suggestions
07:24:57 <elliott> You are not playing in the latest version (33d826f) available!
07:24:57 <elliott> [T]ransfer your save to the latest version?
07:24:58 <elliott> aaaaa
07:25:01 <elliott> what commits happened
07:25:32 <monqy> dunno
07:25:40 <elliott> "im updated"
07:25:45 <elliott> i'll just
07:25:52 <elliott> hydrae again and hope things don't go as badly as they did
07:26:01 <elliott> but if they do i'll be fucked
07:27:11 <elliott> auuugh
07:28:10 <elliott> monqy: guess what :D :D :D :D :D: D: :D: D:
07:31:00 <elliott> monqy: :(
07:31:03 <elliott> ion: monqy isn't guessing
07:31:03 <elliott> @time ion
07:31:04 <lambdabot> Local time for ion is Wed May 2 10:31:04 2012
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07:32:14 <monqy> hey
07:32:14 <monqy> uh
07:32:20 <monqy> are you dying
07:33:18 <elliott> yes
07:34:08 <elliott> help ;_;
07:34:14 <elliott> the hippgriff is dying quickly so
07:34:18 <elliott> i MIGHT be able to just whack it but
07:34:23 <elliott> im scared
07:34:25 <elliott> oh i do have 3 curing
07:34:28 <elliott> (really need HW but uh)
07:34:38 <elliott> ok good
07:35:15 <elliott> hydrae dealt with
07:37:09 <elliott> what
07:38:42 <elliott> regen \o/
07:38:42 <myndzi> |
07:38:42 <myndzi> /^\
07:40:15 <elliott> sjghdfkg
07:40:22 <elliott> monqy: eight-headed is beyond my abilities right
07:41:44 <shachaf> look behind you
07:41:49 <shachaf> it's a eight-headed hydra
07:42:23 <shachaf> elliott: ...A word starts with a glottal stop iff you use "an" instead of "a" in front of it.
07:42:29 <shachaf> Glad to have clarified it for you!
07:43:18 <monqy> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png
07:43:28 <elliott> its
07:43:29 <elliott> beautiful
07:43:37 <shachaf> zomg
07:43:42 <shachaf> i wante one :'(
07:43:46 <elliott> i just wish that spellingof my name didnt make me crei(briados) :'(
07:43:53 <elliott> im going to set that as my background
07:45:12 <elliott> monqy: so uhhh
07:45:15 <elliott> eight-headed hydra
07:45:17 <elliott> dangerous
07:45:17 <elliott> right
07:45:23 <shachaf> not as dangerous
07:45:24 <shachaf> as
07:45:25 <monqy> if you decide to take it on you'll want to soften it up with wands or something
07:45:29 <shachaf> EIGHT MILLION-headed hydra
07:45:34 <elliott> i have wandes
07:45:39 <monqy> do you have greater destruction and some decent invo skill?
07:45:47 <elliott> greater destruction? i'm ashe
07:45:51 <monqy> oh
07:45:51 <monqy> right
07:45:52 <monqy> ashe
07:45:53 <monqy> right
07:45:56 <monqy> wands then
07:45:56 <elliott> kind of
07:46:01 <elliott> wish i was makh right now
07:46:03 <elliott> uhhh ok
07:46:06 <elliott> ill put on gloves first
07:46:13 <elliott> hokay
07:46:22 <elliott> uhhh fire? fireball? flame? confusion?
07:46:30 <monqy> fire and fireball are probably the best for this guy
07:46:32 <monqy> not flame
07:46:38 <monqy> dunno about confusion
07:47:09 <elliott> that didn't really do anything to it
07:47:13 <elliott> uhhh there's no point retreating right
07:47:21 <monqy> what if you dont want to die
07:47:26 <elliott> i mean
07:47:27 <elliott> because its fast
07:47:30 <elliott> and because
07:47:34 <elliott> the only way out is through it or fungus
07:47:36 <monqy> its not fast
07:47:42 <monqy> and that's not the only way out
07:47:49 <monqy> there's a diagonal slott over there
07:47:55 <monqy> below the fungu
07:48:00 <elliott> oh right
07:48:14 <monqy> just hope it doesn't get a doubel move
07:48:26 <monqy> and hope you don't do that
07:48:46 <monqy> what are you doing
07:48:48 <monqy> blink out
07:48:49 <monqy> now
07:49:07 <elliott> im kind of an idiot
07:49:26 <elliott> uhhh
07:49:30 <elliott> maybe i should go back to the dungeon
07:49:33 <elliott> and
07:49:39 <elliott> not lair yet
07:49:44 <monqy> maybe
07:50:27 <elliott> 08:50 <Henzell> slime creature[1/4]: An annoying resource drain; they hit hard enough that light-armour users have to worry about them, have reasonably high HP, never leave corpses, come in packs, regenerate, and flee at the slightest provocation.
07:50:28 <elliott> how annoying
07:50:57 <elliott> whoah
07:51:05 <monqy> yeah uh
07:51:07 <monqy> don't do that
07:51:09 <elliott> "Try not to let them merge more than once, because the damage only keeps increasing, from 44 for two slimes up to 110 for five slimes."
07:51:10 <elliott> oh
07:51:14 <elliott> uhhhh
07:51:15 <elliott> how fast are they
07:51:19 <monqy> normal speed
07:51:25 <monqy> or are they 11
07:51:32 <monqy> I know ugly things are 11
07:51:33 <elliott> 10
07:51:35 <elliott> says gretell
07:51:37 <monqy> 10 is normal
07:51:43 <elliott> very large oh good
07:51:43 <monqy> close the door on them
07:51:44 <elliott> can i like
07:51:46 <elliott> fireball it
07:51:46 <ion> monqy: So, gloves help a lot when hitting monsters with your claws?
07:51:46 <elliott> ok
07:51:55 <monqy> ion: what?
07:52:05 <monqy> ion: gloves are for making you not chop hydra heads off
07:52:08 <monqy> ion: (with your claws)
07:52:16 <ion> Ok, good to know.
07:52:19 <elliott> ive closed the door on it monqy
07:52:20 <monqy> ion: they negate claw bonus damage though
07:52:25 <monqy> ok
07:52:28 <ion> Right, makes sense.
07:52:41 <elliott> ill
07:52:42 <elliott> go upstairs
07:52:49 <elliott> done
07:52:51 <elliott> so uhhh
07:52:54 <ion> I’ve never fought hydras with ghouls, i didn’t know their claws are badass enough to chop heads off.
07:52:57 <elliott> there's a very large slime creature down there
07:53:03 <elliott> maybe a wande will help???
07:53:20 <monqy> ion: it's just claws 1, "sharp fingernails", but that's enough to chop them
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07:54:40 <elliott> monqy: help :(
07:54:59 <monqy> help?
07:55:01 <Patashu> wow
07:55:05 <Patashu> elliot's gotten further as a monk than I ever have
07:55:12 <Patashu> (I'm bad at unarmed combat for some reason)
07:55:16 <monqy> what
07:55:21 <monqy> unarmed combat is really good
07:55:32 <monqy> unless it was meganerfed
07:55:44 <Patashu> uc feels really really inaccurate at lower levels
07:55:47 <Patashu> maybe I am doing something wrong
07:55:49 <Patashu> I pump it as fast as I can
07:55:52 <Patashu> does it suck before 27?
07:56:04 <monqy> uc is bad at the lower levels but really really good at higher levels
07:56:09 <Patashu> that's what I thought
07:56:09 <Patashu> well
07:56:09 <elliott> Patashu: *elliott
07:56:14 <elliott> im uc only 16.5
07:56:17 <Patashu> elliotter
07:56:17 <elliott> but it still feels "pretey goode"
07:56:18 <elliott> monqy: help as in
07:56:22 <elliott> there's a very large slime creature >
07:56:26 <elliott> but i want to explore >
07:56:31 <monqy> pick another stair case
07:56:31 <Patashu> if you leave its LOS
07:56:32 <Patashu> it splits up
07:56:34 <Patashu> so do that
07:56:34 <monqy> alternatively do orc
07:56:44 <Patashu> G
07:56:48 <monqy> elliott: it's on d:6
07:56:50 <elliott> oh that orc
07:56:50 <elliott> right
07:56:53 <elliott> monqy: but i thought lair first
07:56:53 <elliott> and
07:56:56 <elliott> in lair i keep dieing
07:57:00 <elliott> so
07:57:03 <elliott> "orc maybe not so goode"?
07:57:08 <Patashu> lair is easier than orc
07:57:12 <monqy> lair first is what you do if it's not ful of things you have problems with
07:57:12 <elliott> yeah but
07:57:18 <elliott> Patashu: lair has eight-headed hydrae
07:57:18 <elliott> so
07:57:19 <Patashu> I mean obviously
07:57:20 <monqy> if you get a hard lair, orc might be easier
07:57:23 <elliott> okey
07:57:30 <Patashu> yeah I guess what monqy said
07:57:31 <Patashu> one time I went into lair
07:57:31 <Patashu> and
07:57:35 <Patashu> 6 blink frogs were around the staircase
07:57:36 <Patashu> aaaaa
07:57:39 <Patashu> I think I lived but still
07:57:52 <elliott> maybe i should
07:57:52 <Patashu> but I prefer lair's difficulty spurts to orc's
07:57:53 <elliott> splint mail
07:57:55 <monqy> one time I had a lair as a ghoul where all three up staircases on lair:1 were next to a nasty hydra
07:57:56 <Patashu> since orc's has smiting
07:58:03 <elliott> monqy: how can i calculate what AC/EV i'll get with the splint mail
07:58:06 <elliott> erm
07:58:08 <monqy> uhhhh
07:58:09 <elliott> monqy: how can i calculate what AC/EV i'll get with the plate armour
07:58:11 <monqy> dunnnnno
07:58:16 <monqy> maybe henzel knows
07:58:17 <Patashu> plate will give you more gdr
07:58:22 <elliott> yeah but
07:58:23 <elliott> +4 splint mail
07:58:25 <elliott> +0 plate armour
07:58:26 <elliott> and
07:58:27 <Patashu> you'll have less AC
07:58:28 <Patashu> but more GDR
07:58:29 <elliott> i have no enchant armour
07:58:30 <Patashu> (and less EV)
07:58:33 <elliott> ehhh
07:58:35 <elliott> doesn't sound worth it yet
07:58:35 <Patashu> btw
07:58:37 <Patashu> -2 pair of gloves?
07:58:40 <elliott> if i find enchant armour
07:58:42 <elliott> Patashu: yeah
07:58:43 <elliott> acquirement
07:58:47 <elliott> "really gr8"
07:58:47 <Patashu> cool
07:58:55 <elliott> 6 exclusions lmfao
07:58:57 <elliott> ok lets
07:58:58 <Patashu> wait, you never found orc?
07:58:58 <elliott> remove those
07:59:01 <elliott> Patashu: i found orc but
07:59:02 <elliott> electric eel
07:59:04 <elliott> and i was scared of it
07:59:07 <elliott> monqy: should i adjust my skilles maybe
07:59:11 <monqy> idk
07:59:16 <ion> electric elliott
07:59:16 <Patashu> your skills are fine
07:59:19 <Patashu> (maybe more uc less non uc)
07:59:30 <elliott> i was training armour so that
07:59:34 <elliott> plate would be super gr8
07:59:43 <Patashu> are you at uc mindelay yet?
07:59:46 <Patashu> iirc it takes forever
07:59:46 <elliott> and fighting because :hp:
07:59:49 <elliott> Patashu: probably not
07:59:56 <monqy> uc mindelay is 27, it used to be 25 but it was nerfed
08:00:00 <monqy> er
08:00:01 <monqy> at 27
08:00:04 <monqy> mindelay is 5
08:00:05 <Patashu> oh
08:00:09 <Patashu> you don't hit mindelay until 27
08:00:14 <Patashu> yeah in that case
08:00:14 <Patashu> I would recommend more mindelay
08:00:16 <monqy> uc is good to train to 27 anyway
08:00:17 <Patashu> *more uc
08:00:17 <monqy> since
08:00:24 <monqy> each skill level gives you more damage etc too
08:00:27 <monqy> like
08:00:31 <monqy> it adds 1 to your base damage
08:00:45 <monqy> or something like that
08:00:53 <monqy> anyway it's good and you should train it
08:00:57 <elliott> i am
08:00:58 <elliott> im just
08:00:59 <elliott> training armour too
08:01:08 <monqy> you could defocus it if you wanted uc up faster
08:01:15 <monqy> i dunno much about armour skille "oops"
08:01:19 <elliott> well
08:01:20 <elliott> i just thought
08:01:22 <elliott> plate is rly heavy and stuff
08:01:23 <elliott> and
08:01:31 <elliott> ill have to remove curse to switch to it
08:01:32 <elliott> so
08:01:37 <ion> CDO should let us attach gdb to our game instances so we could fix problems like too low UC level.
08:01:38 <elliott> since i'm waiting for an enchant armour scroll to make it worth it
08:01:42 <monqy> yeah having lots of armour skille is good for heavey armours
08:01:46 <elliott> i might as well train armour a lot so that I don't get EV penalty as much
08:01:48 <elliott> shrug
08:02:05 <Patashu> eeeellls
08:02:08 <monqy> armour skill also gives you more ac on heavier armours
08:02:14 <Patashu> imagine if the eels in crawl were like the eels in brogue
08:02:14 <Patashu> D:
08:02:24 <monqy> non electrice
08:02:26 <elliott> oh uh
08:02:28 <elliott> what's with this smoke thing
08:02:28 <monqy> "no problemo"
08:02:31 <monqy> smoke?
08:02:32 <Patashu> yeah I guess it would be an improvement actually
08:02:35 <Patashu> also, that's fire
08:02:35 <elliott> the
08:02:36 <elliott> fire cloud
08:02:36 <Patashu> don't walk into it
08:02:37 <monqy> you mean the vault?
08:02:38 <elliott> stuff
08:02:40 <monqy> yeah just avoid it
08:02:41 <elliott> Patashu: it's excluded
08:02:43 <elliott> what is it tho
08:02:45 <Patashu> fire
08:02:46 <elliott> *though
08:02:46 <Patashu> burns
08:02:47 <elliott> yes
08:02:47 <elliott> thanks
08:02:48 <elliott> i mean
08:02:49 <Patashu> don't step in it
08:02:50 <elliott> what's inside it
08:02:52 <elliott> what is
08:02:53 <Patashu> loot
08:02:54 <elliott> the construction
08:02:54 <Patashu> you can see it
08:02:56 <elliott> dude
08:02:58 <elliott> i
08:03:00 <elliott> know
08:03:02 <elliott> it's
08:03:04 <elliott> fire
08:03:04 <Patashu> haha
08:03:06 <Patashu> armour of fire resistance
08:03:08 <elliott> what crap
08:03:09 <Patashu> some joke vault
08:03:10 <elliott> :D
08:03:16 <ion> Blink inside at some point when you have extra blink scrolls or cTele.
08:03:25 <ion> if it looks like there’s something useful inside.
08:03:29 <elliott> there isn't
08:03:38 <elliott> not even cash
08:03:54 <elliott> what is it with warriors switching weapons
08:03:59 <elliott> and uhhh
08:03:59 <elliott> why am i super lagging
08:04:01 <Patashu> you can never have enough blink scrolls
08:04:03 <Patashu> shame on you ion
08:04:05 <Patashu> advocating their waste
08:04:08 <ion> 20 gold pieces is infinitely more gold pieces than i have.
08:04:28 <elliott> yikes
08:04:32 <Patashu> you didn't realize the other orc warrior had a glaive?
08:04:35 <Patashu> because he did
08:04:36 <elliott> oh
08:04:40 <elliott> whoops
08:04:43 <elliott> uhhhh
08:04:46 <elliott> maybe i'm not ready for orcish mines after all :)
08:04:54 <Patashu> more UC required
08:05:00 <monqy> glaivd
08:05:04 <elliott> monqy: h
08:05:04 <elliott> elp
08:05:06 <monqy> what happened here
08:05:09 <monqy> "yikes"
08:05:10 <elliott> orc warriors
08:05:11 <Patashu> the orc warrior has a glaive
08:05:17 <elliott> Patashu: did you see monqy's self-portrait of shachaf and me
08:05:18 <elliott> s
08:05:19 <Patashu> no
08:05:20 <elliott> *portraits
08:05:21 <Patashu> show
08:05:21 <ion> Note to self: consider adding “hits you from afar” to force_more_messages
08:05:21 <elliott> to change the subject
08:05:27 <Patashu> ion: tempting
08:05:28 <elliott> ion: :D
08:05:37 <monqy> Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png
08:05:44 <elliott> Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png
08:05:46 <elliott> monqy: fuck you
08:05:51 <Patashu> those are pretty good
08:05:56 <elliott> i had to look in the logs for those
08:06:07 <ion> Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png
08:06:12 <Patashu> thanks
08:06:21 <elliott> monqy: so uhhhhh
08:06:25 <elliott> what should i do
08:06:31 <elliott> quaff curing (AGAINE???)
08:06:38 <elliott> why is there no heal wounds in this fucking dungeon
08:06:38 <Patashu> clearly you need to zerk
08:06:41 <elliott> Patashu: i dont have zerk
08:06:43 <elliott> im
08:06:44 <Patashu> that's the joke
08:06:49 <elliott> laughing
08:06:51 <Patashu> what scrolls do you have?
08:07:12 <monqy> elliott: double joke: youre ghouel
08:07:24 <Patashu> ok useless shit
08:07:24 <Patashu> well
08:07:27 <Patashu> you're speed 10, they're speed 10
08:07:28 <ion> ghowel movement
08:07:30 <Patashu> you're not in danger of dying
08:07:30 <elliott> thanks
08:07:32 <Patashu> unless you let them hit you
08:07:36 <Patashu> do you like pillar dancing?
08:07:39 <elliott> no
08:07:40 <monqy> Patashu: double moves!
08:07:45 <Patashu> monqy: oh noes!
08:07:45 <elliott> what monqy said
08:07:48 <Patashu> one double move won't kill you
08:07:50 <Patashu> (I think??)
08:07:51 <monqy> Patashu: energy randomisation "yaey fun"
08:08:09 <Patashu> btw play brogue
08:08:12 <elliott> no
08:08:13 <Patashu> features: more fun eels
08:08:15 <Patashu> and no energy randomisation
08:08:18 <ion> btw play xjump
08:08:18 <elliott> monqy: do i run to < or do i quaff curinge :/
08:08:27 <Patashu> run to < would work
08:08:28 <monqy> btw play monqys roguelike
08:08:28 <Patashu> (IMO)
08:08:31 <elliott> ion: omg i love xjump
08:08:33 <monqy> i forget if i had a name for it
08:08:34 <elliott> well
08:08:34 <elliott> i fucking hate it
08:08:36 <elliott> but
08:08:36 <elliott> i love i t
08:08:38 <elliott> *it
08:08:43 <elliott> qrawl
08:08:57 <elliott> monqy: quaff curing or run to < help
08:09:04 <ion> elliott: Try my tile set for it. Debian/Ubuntu? xjump -graphic /usr/share/games/xjump/ion.xpm.gz
08:09:21 <elliott> ion: Is this just an elaborate way to brag about being a DEBIAN-PUBLISHED ARTIST?
08:09:28 <elliott> Anyway, no, OS X right now.
08:09:42 <ion> http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/xjump/ion.xpm.gz
08:10:08 <monqy> elliott: i;'d run probabley
08:10:25 <elliott> what if there's eel or w/e
08:10:33 <Patashu> didn't you kill all the eels?
08:10:42 <Patashu> eel solution: fog
08:10:42 <Patashu> btw
08:11:18 <elliott> it suddenly occurs to me that one of these is gonna follow me up
08:11:19 <elliott> and kill me
08:11:25 <Patashu> uh
08:11:25 <Patashu> right
08:11:26 <monqy> also btw: makhleb solution to hydra: hlep from greater servant
08:11:26 <Patashu> the regular orc
08:11:28 <Patashu> who is easy
08:11:34 <elliott> yeah but im still a scarey
08:11:45 <elliott> wow such lage
08:11:48 <Patashu> you should be way past the point of normal orcs killing you
08:11:52 <elliott> i am but
08:11:56 <elliott> low hp makes me jittery
08:11:56 <monqy> Patashu: normal orcs with disto!
08:12:03 <Patashu> lol
08:12:08 <ion> A crappy video i captured from xjump a few years ago: http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/xjump/xjump_562.ogv
08:12:12 <elliott> _The orc sings a few bars from the Orcish anthem.
08:12:13 <Patashu> force_more reasons
08:12:14 <elliott> WHY DO THEY DO THESE
08:12:29 <elliott> The orc throws an uncursed orcish dagger.
08:12:32 <elliott> fml
08:12:32 <monqy> elliott: the orc jeers, as orcs often do
08:12:40 <elliott> phew
08:12:47 <elliott> let's try that again
08:12:58 <elliott> christ that guy's tough
08:13:09 <elliott> and wow this lag
08:14:01 <elliott> monqy: ion: are you lagging of CDO twest
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08:14:09 <monqy> mo
08:14:09 <monqy> no
08:14:13 <monqy> rip
08:14:23 <Patashu> uh oh
08:14:26 <monqy> @ask elliott looks like your connections on the blink
08:14:26 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
08:14:26 <Patashu> orc warrior eel tag team
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08:14:44 <Patashu> btw, monqy
08:14:46 <Patashu> I have two brogue wins now
08:14:53 <monqy> doublegrats
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08:15:04 <elliott> uugh
08:15:04 <lambdabot> elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
08:15:05 <elliott> this lag
08:15:07 <elliott> and crap
08:15:15 <monqy> maybe I'd try brogue again if there weren't monkeys or acid lumps
08:15:15 <elliott> monqy: very funny
08:15:17 <Patashu> one of them was with a... I think war axe, plate and a shitload of useful utility staves like obstruction and tunneling
08:15:20 <elliott> what do you have against monqys
08:15:26 <Patashu> the other one was with an axe of quietus, plate and 0 staves until depth 19 (and all of them sucked)
08:15:30 <monqy> elliott: i almost typoed monkeys as monqys
08:15:37 <monqy> elliott: then i fixed it
08:15:37 <elliott> eel time
08:15:41 <Patashu> also, both of the two things youm entioend are easy
08:15:43 <elliott> what
08:15:45 <elliott> are those two guys doing
08:15:48 <Patashu> try this: maybe I'd try brogue again if there weren't vampire bats on d:2
08:15:54 <elliott> holy shit
08:15:56 <monqy> Patashu: easy but awful
08:15:58 <Patashu> ahahahaha
08:16:02 <Patashu> wtf is that shit
08:16:03 <monqy> Patashu: vampire bats on d:2 are annoying tooo
08:16:06 <Patashu> eel priest tagteam
08:16:09 <elliott> monqy: help
08:16:25 <Patashu> I think you'll get out of LOS quickest if you run to the stairs
08:16:29 <monqy> elliott: get to the wall to heal, then kill the eel if you want, then confuse the orc if you want
08:16:37 <elliott> by wall do you mean stairs
08:16:41 <monqy> yeah
08:16:50 <Patashu> ez
08:17:05 <elliott> meanie
08:17:14 <Patashu> hehe
08:17:21 <ion> elliott: Do you get a huge adrenaline rush when approaching a high score in xjump?
08:17:28 <elliott> ion: i don't really approach high scores in xjump
08:17:30 <elliott> i just slip and die
08:17:36 <elliott> its like the platforms are made out of butter
08:17:36 <ion> a personal high score
08:17:40 <elliott> yeah
08:17:42 <elliott> i dont get those either
08:17:48 <elliott> WHAT IS THIS EEL MADE OF
08:17:49 <Patashu> I used to play icy tower, which sounds like what xjump is
08:17:52 <Patashu> I never got really far on it
08:17:57 <Patashu> but I always marveled at the replays of ppl who did
08:17:58 <elliott> Things stay "almost dead" in Crawl for about 100 turns.
08:18:21 <elliott> vision of a gate?
08:18:38 <Patashu> check your map
08:18:50 <elliott> hmm
08:18:54 <elliott> so there's a portal of some kind on this level?
08:18:58 <Patashu> scroll it around
08:19:08 <Patashu> I thought you only got that message when ash mapped it
08:19:15 <Patashu> there
08:19:19 <elliott> looks portally
08:19:22 <Patashu> it's a thing alright
08:19:22 <elliott> what could it be i wonder
08:19:32 <Patashu> might be ice cave, volcano or a shop
08:20:02 <elliott> wow these priests cut into my hp a lot for some reason
08:20:09 <Patashu> ot
08:20:13 <elliott> what
08:20:15 <Patashu> smites cut through ac
08:20:16 <Patashu> sorry
08:20:18 <elliott> yeah
08:20:20 <elliott> smites are annoying
08:20:21 <Patashu> and it's random if they decide to smite or not
08:20:23 <elliott> is there anything i can do about them
08:20:24 <Patashu> so one priest will be like
08:20:25 <Patashu> yawn
08:20:26 <Patashu> another will be like
08:20:29 <Patashu> 17 17 17 17
08:20:30 <Patashu> and not really
08:20:33 <Patashu> aside from killing them faster
08:20:55 <elliott> uhhh monqy probably isn't happy with what i'm doing
08:21:03 <kmc> this is a weird fuckin channel
08:21:03 <shachaf> monqy: have you ever considerede
08:21:12 <shachaf> a self portraite of . . .
08:21:12 <elliott> you've said\
08:21:15 <elliott> s/\\$//
08:21:25 <shachaf> YOURSELF ? ? ?
08:21:32 <monqy> maybe tomorrow
08:21:34 <shachaf> TWIST
08:21:35 <kmc> shachaf: did you learn any crazy unix or x86 today
08:21:39 <kmc> that you could tell me about
08:21:42 <monqy> im tired and still have to read all of this stuff i should have read hours ago
08:21:46 <monqy> butdddidint
08:22:08 <elliott> monqy: maybe tomorrow what
08:22:16 <elliott> oh
08:22:16 <shachaf> kmc: I learned that Microsoft abuses bits that don't belong to them.
08:22:20 <shachaf> Does that count?
08:22:26 <monqy> self portrote (of self)
08:22:44 <shachaf> Something to do with the iret state.
08:22:45 <kmc> which bits?
08:22:51 <kmc> hmm
08:23:02 <kmc> which bits of
08:23:18 <shachaf> Apparently there are 64-or-something bits of flags that go on the stack and/or in a register that iret uses or something?
08:23:24 <shachaf> And some of them are reserved.
08:23:27 <shachaf> But Microsoft uses them anyway.
08:23:38 <kmc> iret will restore EFLAGS or RFLAGS from the stack
08:23:51 <kmc> is that what you mean?
08:23:59 <elliott> monqy: i guess i have to find another upstairs to find that portal?
08:24:00 <shachaf> Looks like it.
08:24:04 <elliott> from a level below
08:24:05 <kmc> hardware stacks are distasteful
08:24:09 <monqy> that or diggging
08:24:20 <shachaf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAGS_register_(computing)
08:24:27 <elliott> ive never done digging
08:24:27 <elliott> is it hard
08:24:29 <shachaf> Yes, look at all those reserved bits.
08:24:39 <kmc> -_-
08:24:44 <kmc> "(computing)" meaning "(x86)"
08:24:54 <kmc> and what does Windows use it for?
08:25:01 <elliott> monqy: how do i dige
08:25:05 <monqy> wand of dige
08:25:12 <elliott> i knew that much
08:25:21 <shachaf> I don't know.
08:25:23 <elliott> should i step back from wall
08:25:25 <elliott> or go right next to it
08:25:28 <monqy> right next to it
08:25:41 <monqy> use shift-j
08:25:49 <elliott> thankse
08:25:52 <kmc> shachaf: how is it that gin tastes terrible, and tonic water tastes terrible, but gin & tonic is delicious?
08:25:56 <elliott> sweet
08:26:02 <Patashu> aha
08:26:04 <shachaf> kmc: I don't think I've ever had either.
08:26:06 <Patashu> it's a volcanop
08:26:08 <shachaf> Which one should I try first?
08:26:16 <kmc> well, they're both terrible, so...
08:26:21 <ion> Ooh, a version with smooth scrolling. http://gnujump.es.gnu.org/index.php/Main_Page
08:26:28 <kmc> i think modern tonic water is not too bad
08:26:31 <elliott> ion: that one REALLY REALLY sucks
08:26:33 <elliott> it's buggy as hell
08:26:34 <elliott> iirc
08:26:36 <ion> It feels quite decent if you turn the turbl trails and blur off.
08:26:41 <elliott> or maybe i just got unlucky
08:26:49 <elliott> Patashu: should i volcano
08:26:50 <elliott> i've never volcanoes
08:26:52 <elliott> *volcanoed
08:26:53 <Patashu> drop your scrolls
08:26:54 <ion> Seems to work on my system at the moment.
08:26:55 <elliott> how hard is it
08:26:56 <kmc> the original idea was to mask the taste of antimalarial quinine in tonic water, by adding gin
08:27:01 <Patashu> fiery
08:27:02 <Patashu> so drop your scrolls
08:27:03 <kmc> which should give you an idea how fucking terrible tonic water is
08:27:17 <kmc> though, maybe it's less "mask the taste" and more "if this is the only booze we give the troops, they'll drink it"
08:27:17 <elliott> Patashu: that's not helpful
08:27:22 <Patashu> well
08:27:25 <Patashu> you're dropped right next to the exit
08:27:30 <Patashu> so you can leave if it's hard for some reason
08:27:30 <Patashu> also
08:27:32 <Patashu> volcanos might erupt
08:27:36 <Patashu> but there'll be places to go for shelter
08:27:48 <ion> antimalarial quine
08:27:48 <elliott> i mean
08:27:52 <elliott> how scary is the stuff inside
08:28:03 <Patashu> you'll be fine
08:28:07 <elliott> haha what a terrible place for edmund to turn up
08:28:09 <elliott> like
08:28:14 <elliott> bit late to the party
08:28:22 <Patashu> edmund is always fashionably late
08:28:31 <elliott> _Your scroll of teleportation catches fire!
08:28:34 <elliott> grrrrr
08:28:37 <elliott> i want the thing that protects you from that crap
08:28:46 <elliott> hey, i can see invis now
08:30:08 <ion> ellie: Wow, you already have ***...
08:30:11 <elliott> monqy: should i volcanoe
08:30:19 <elliott> ion: Eh? I've been with ashey for ages.
08:30:29 <ion> That was the point. :-P
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08:30:35 <elliott> :(
08:30:36 <ion> Moar cursed stuff!
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08:30:41 <elliott> Ihave cursed stuff!
08:30:43 <elliott> *I have
08:30:46 <ion> See the god screen.
08:30:52 <ion> ^ or something
08:31:07 <monqy> elliott: volcano
08:31:15 <elliott> "Your claws are not bound." Uhh...
08:31:18 <Patashu> yeah
08:31:19 <elliott> monqy: Yes, I know. Should I it?
08:31:20 <Patashu> obviously don't bind those
08:31:22 <Patashu> but you can bind the rest
08:31:23 <monqy> elliott: yes
08:31:28 <elliott> monqy: Okay. (Why?)
08:31:37 <monqy> sometimes it's freee loot
08:31:40 <monqy> other times it's less free
08:31:42 <monqy> but still loot
08:31:54 <monqy> other times you want to get out but you can get out so it's all good
08:32:06 <elliott> Really drop all my scrolls?
08:32:13 <monqy> they'll burn
08:32:14 <elliott> Oh, I don't have any of use.
08:32:24 <elliott> Will potions burn? :P
08:32:27 <Patashu> no
08:32:30 <ion> rF++++++ might be useful judging from the name.
08:32:35 <monqy> potions prefer freeszing
08:32:36 <elliott> ion: wat
08:32:38 <Patashu> rF+ is enough
08:32:40 <ion> Cold destroys potions, fire destroys scrolles.
08:32:50 <monqy> elliott: volcano is where you find plate of rF
08:32:54 <elliott> I have ring of protection from fire
08:32:56 <elliott> so
08:32:59 <elliott> and also ring of ice
08:33:00 <Patashu> btw, if you have gourmand
08:33:02 <ion> Sounds okay
08:33:04 <Patashu> you don't need to wait for chunks to rot
08:33:05 <monqy> elliott: ooh or cpm of rF!!!
08:33:06 <elliott> maybe I should replace regeneration with ice for volcano?
08:33:08 <monqy> er
08:33:08 <monqy> cpa
08:33:12 <monqy> cpa of rF
08:33:13 <elliott> Patashu: I know.
08:33:16 <elliott> monqy: maybe I should replace regeneration with ice for volcano?
08:33:20 <monqy> what
08:33:21 <Patashu> ice?
08:33:22 <elliott> For more rF.
08:33:23 <Patashu> ice makes you rF-
08:33:25 <elliott> Oh, wait.
08:33:26 <Patashu> not rF+
08:33:27 <elliott> Wrong way around.
08:33:31 <elliott> Good thing I didn't do that!
08:33:37 <ion> doooo it
08:33:41 <elliott> Thanks, autoexplore.
08:33:42 <Patashu> oh
08:33:42 <Patashu> this one
08:33:48 <Patashu> in this one the volcano erupts periodically
08:33:49 <elliott> Patashu: Does that mean run?
08:33:51 <elliott> :(
08:33:52 <Patashu> when it does ge tto a hut and close the door
08:33:53 <ion> thautoexplore
08:33:59 <Patashu> you have rF+ so you should be fine
08:33:59 <elliott> Fuck that. That sounds waful.
08:34:02 <elliott> *awful.
08:34:08 <Patashu> the damage is pretty low if you have rF+
08:34:11 <elliott> If it erupts, I die, right?
08:34:16 <Patashu> no
08:34:20 <Patashu> it just spawns fire clouds randomly
08:34:27 <elliott> So, uh, is autoexplore safe?
08:34:37 <Patashu> I forget so I'd manualexplore
08:35:32 <Patashu> whee
08:35:32 <monqy> haha
08:35:36 <Patashu> see it's like
08:35:36 <Patashu> 0 damage
08:35:53 <Madoka-Kaname> http://lymia.x10.bz/?a=contentpage&p=ulc < wee~
08:36:02 <Madoka-Kaname> Now to be lazy and email the esoteric archive tomorrow.
08:36:05 <Patashu> loot
08:36:16 <ion> Close the doore
08:36:17 <elliott> Madoka-Kaname: You can just add that to the external links section as-is.
08:36:25 <elliott> ion: Bit late.
08:36:56 <elliott> lol
08:37:06 <Patashu> rF+ reasons
08:37:16 <monqy> ac helps too
08:37:17 <elliott> This must be one magical fucking ring to be makingt his harmless.
08:37:20 <Patashu> it does?
08:37:21 <Patashu> neat
08:37:22 <monqy> not that your ac is particularly excellent but
08:37:27 <elliott> Well, not *harmless*.
08:37:30 <elliott> But it's not hruting much.
08:37:31 <elliott> *making this
08:38:04 <elliott> What, is that it?
08:38:08 <Patashu> yes
08:38:08 <monqy> is there anything on the other side of watter
08:38:15 <Patashu> that's not water
08:38:20 <monqy> it isn't?
08:38:21 <Patashu> that is Deudly Lava
08:38:24 <monqy> on the bottom
08:38:28 <Patashu> oh wow
08:38:28 <elliott> It's deep water.
08:38:33 <Patashu> but no
08:38:37 <Patashu> I don't think there's anything past that
08:38:38 <monqy> have potions of levitation?
08:38:44 <Patashu> one
08:38:45 <Patashu> lol
08:38:45 <elliott> Yes, technically.
08:38:46 <monqy> don't drown
08:38:51 <elliott> I'm not going to go there.
08:38:53 <elliott> It's obviously a circular map.
08:38:55 <monqy> look at the vault
08:39:03 <elliott> What of it?
08:39:06 <elliott> I took everything that looked useful.
08:39:06 <monqy> it'll say
08:39:10 <ion> Good ideas #497: drink a potion of levitation and explore the vast area of deep water.
08:39:11 <monqy> Authoratatively
08:39:13 <elliott> It was mostly just lower-class armour with fire.
08:39:16 <elliott> monqy: What vault?
08:39:21 <monqy> the volcano map
08:39:25 <monqy> this whole vault
08:39:30 <monqy> the one you're in
08:39:38 <elliott> Look at it how?
08:39:50 <monqy> fine i'lll look at it
08:40:04 <elliott> I honestly didn't know what you meant.
08:40:09 <Patashu> http://www.gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/blobs/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/volcano.des
08:40:12 <Patashu> is what monqy means
08:40:20 <monqy> ok there's nothing on the other side
08:40:23 <elliott> That's so cheating.
08:40:52 <Patashu> so as ash can you like
08:40:57 <Patashu> turn remove curse into curse armor/jewellery
08:41:00 <elliott> Yes.
08:41:20 <elliott> Orcs, more like tab tab tab tab tab tab.
08:41:41 <ion> tab the orcs
08:41:43 <ion> torcs
08:42:05 <Patashu> torques
08:42:27 <elliott> :(
08:42:31 <Patashu> ogre + orc warrior
08:42:32 <Patashu> :D
08:42:32 <elliott> Orcs, more like tab tab tab die.
08:42:54 <monqy> you can step downright and find a choke
08:42:58 <Patashu> yes
08:43:04 <elliott> with 41 hp? ok
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08:43:12 <Patashu> the warrior and ogre are melee only
08:43:19 <monqy> and neither have polearm
08:43:23 <elliott> no chokes :(
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08:43:25 <monqy> there's choke everywhere
08:43:27 <elliott> but there's some semichokes i guess
08:43:28 <Patashu> yup
08:43:28 <Patashu> pick one
08:44:01 <elliott> ha
08:44:04 <monqy> ha
08:44:15 <monqy> why aren't you damaging that ogr
08:44:16 <elliott> monqy: I told you my continuing fear of ogres was justified.
08:44:25 <elliott> That's a good question.
08:44:30 <elliott> I have no idea.
08:44:31 <Patashu> wow
08:44:32 <Patashu> look at all those wands
08:44:34 <monqy> also why is your ac so low (when does ac start going up?)
08:44:49 <elliott> How about curing + might?
08:45:00 <elliott> Patashu: Yeah, I should really start using those more.
08:45:57 <elliott> You mangle the ogre!!
08:46:29 <elliott> Oops.
08:46:32 <elliott> This is the end level, isn't it.
08:46:34 <elliott> The scary one.
08:46:40 <Patashu> depends what's on it
08:46:40 <monqy> it's only scary sometimes
08:47:19 <elliott> i dunno what was with that other ogre
08:47:24 <elliott> it thought it was a hill giant
08:47:59 <Patashu> mm
08:48:01 <Patashu> centaurs
08:48:01 <elliott> monqy: it's scary this time
08:48:18 <elliott> i guess i could ~mighte~ but
08:48:21 <Patashu> but?
08:48:27 <Patashu> it's not like you're going to ever use all those potions of might
08:48:29 <Patashu> may as well
08:48:35 <